There’s only one TINY little problem with what you wrote above, Sir.☝️ There has never been, nor will there ever be, even the SLIGHTEST shred of evidence for the existence of the Godhead, that is, a Supreme Person or Deity. It is high time for humanity to awaken from all INANE superstitions such as the belief in a Personal God which created the Universe, would you not agree, Slave? 😩
@@TheWorldTeacher Easy answer The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God. As the Scriptures say, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and discard the intelligence of the intelligent.” So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world’s brilliant debaters? God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish. Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never know him through human wisdom, he has used our foolish preaching to save those who believe. It is foolish to the Jews, who ask for signs from heaven. And it is foolish to the Greeks, who seek human wisdom. So when we preach that Christ was crucified, the Jews are offended and the Gentiles say it’s all nonsense. But to those called by God to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God. This foolish plan of God is wiser than the wisest of human plans, and God’s weakness is stronger than the greatest of human strength. Remember, dear brothers and sisters, that few of you were wise in the world’s eyes or powerful or wealthy when God called you. Instead, God chose things the world considers foolish in order to shame those who think they are wise. And he chose things that are powerless to shame those who are powerful. God chose things despised by the world, things counted as nothing at all, and used them to bring to nothing what the world considers important. As a result, no one can ever boast in the presence of God. God has united you with Christ Jesus. For our benefit God made him to be wisdom itself. Christ made us right with God; he made us pure and holy, and he freed us from sin. Therefore, as the Scriptures say, “If you want to boast, boast only about the Lord .” 1 Corinthians 1:18-31 NLT bible.com/bible/116/1co.1.18-31.NLT
Cliffe Knechtle on a College Campus explaining the difference between science and design. There once was a family of mice. They lived in a piano. They enjoyed the music that came from the Great Piano Player. But one day one of the little mice got really brave and he climbed up into the piano and to his amazement he found out that the music does not come from the piano player, it comes from wires that reverberate back and forth. Then the little mouse returned to his family and said “Guess what guys? There is no great piano player. I’ll tell you where the music comes from. It comes from wires that reverberate back-and-forth.” So the family of mice no longer believed in a piano player. They had a totally mechanistic understanding of their Universe. Wires reverberating producing music. Until one day another little mouse got even braver. And he climbed up even further into the bowels of the piano. And he was amazed when he found that the music does not come from the wires. It comes from the hammers that strikes the wires. That’s what produces the music. Well, the little mouse returned to his family of mice and they re did their scientific theories. They re did their mechanistic understanding of their Kosmos. But they still enjoyed the music that came from the piano player. Science is a wonderful, very valuable and precious study of process. It’s good and it comes right out of a Biblical worldview: a reasonable God created an orderly world, and gave us rational minds that we can unlock the secrets of the Universe. As Einstein said it, “I want to understand how the Creator did it.” So science is great, but the question still remains, is it not more reasonable to believe in that there is an intelligent mind beyond behind the process, and I think the answer is obviously yes. You see design has a designer, and if you push it back far enough you meet a designer. Now Jesus Christ claimed to be revealing this Designer in human terms, in a way that you and I, with our limited finite minds can begin to understand. - Cliffe Knechtle
@@colinmatts uhhh..? you do realize the point is how incomprehensible understanding a piano could be to a family of mere mice. its a fair comparison and if all you got from that was "hur durr the universe isnt a piano! so clearly cliffe isnt that smart!" then i suggest you go back to school and open a book and understand what a metaphor is lol
The reason so many people of this generation reject the belief of Jesus stems from men loving darkness more than light. They love their sin, so if they admit Jesus is truth, they are confronted with needing to repent. Our conscience testifies to the truth of Jesus, people know deep inside Jesus is truth. That is why I don't believe anyone who claims to be atheist. God bless you Cliff, keep fighting the good fight.
You're wrong Tommy, although I respect your opinion. I don't believe this Jesus character of the New testament existed, during his supposed time on earth, not a single person wrote about him. I'm sure he exists in the minds of believers, but credible evidence of his existence is poor. Outside of the Bible there is not much out there. A man of that name may well have existed, but I'm fairly certain he didn't have any supernatural powers or came down from heaven.
@@godislove363 Lead troll? .. Jacob, name me one person who wrote about Jesus during the time he was alive?. This is a serious discussion isn't it? People tend to have different opinions on the subject of faith. I love watching these Ask Cliffe discussions. I generally tend to agree with the students, that doesn't make me a troll.
Totally agree, this is the problem with most of humanity right now, that we are in a quest to search for any lies that will suppress the truth just so we can live life in pleasure and without the conviction of sins from a holy God.
I love this verse in 2nd Peter, it describes this generation and it will describe the ones to come perfectly...'scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” Of these things they are wilfully ignorant, that by the word of God the heavens were of old.
@@leeman2177 I'd like to see religions working together and take the good from their religious literature to make the world a better place than see atheism try to build a new society.
She has an extreme interruption problem, she would rather do anything other than listen to you respond to her. Even when you were responding, she kept talking and conflating non-issues with nearby people of the crowd. I pray God softens her heart.
There’s only one TINY little problem with what you wrote above, Sir.☝️ There has never been, nor will there ever be, even the SLIGHTEST shred of evidence for the existence of the Godhead, that is, a Supreme Person or Deity. It is high time for humanity to awaken from all INANE superstitions such as the belief in a Personal God which created the Universe, would you not agree, Slave? 😩
@@TheWorldTeacher it’s better to be a slave to a loving master than to think all morality is relative. You can justify any action if it’s relative as his example with the Nazi trials
@@mathnico1, that is rather PRESUMPTUOUS of you, wouldn’t you agree, Slave? Presumption is evil, because when one is PRESUMPTUOUS, one makes a judgement about a matter, despite having insufficient facts to support one’s position.
@@spartangrace117, I am your lord, your god, and your MASTER. Therefore, whenever you send me a message or a comment, it is IMPERATIVE that you address me accordingly. E.g. “How are you, Master?” Is that understood, SLAVE?
It's only true in the context of the story. The characters in the story were willing to die, there's no evidence that it actually happened. The Bible is not evidence, it's the claim. It's not evidence for the same reason the Bhagavad gita is not evidence that Krishna exists, and the Qur'an is not evidence that Muhammad flew to heaven on a winged horse.
@Chimpanzee that I was an atheist who grew up in China，The God of Bible save me from the evil spirit attack and healed me from very serious health crisis , both times are miracles, If you are willing to know the the Creator, you can ask the Creator to give you a sign and give you a chance to know the truth, but please pray with humility
I already know the truth. We were not created. Our evolution has been proven since 2003 when the Human Genome Project was completed. It's possible that a deity exists, but we were not created in our present state.
Can you imagine this happening on a University campus in the United States in the year 2021? This would be considered hate by the folks that run the universities today.
Thank you Cliffe. I watch your videos day and night. Your logic and philosophy are so beautifully designed and articulated. God bless you. Thank you for teaching me so much and giving me evidence and facts to back up the fact that our lord Jesus Christ is and was who he said and claimed to be. You’ve truly changed my mindset and way of thinking for the better. God bless.
The love argument is a great one. You actually had those boys in a corner with the $1000 a week example. The guy said "it's a different stimulus" as in "I would feel differently because a new factor had been introduced in the relationship." But there is no new factor. Either that girl is being motivated by the biological chemicals she feels when she is around him to say "I love you" or she is being motivated by the biological chemicals she feels when she gets $1000 to say "I love you." They are both equally unrelated to her as a person actually loving him as a person.
@@aureliotheredeemed7566 ! ! WAKE UP ! ! New world order is here ! illuminati = Real / Christ = Real ! Mark of the beast ! = Real ! End time prophecies = Real ! RAPTURE = REAL ! ! Vaccines = Not good ! God's Earth = Stationary & Flat ! NASA means to deceive & there logo is the serpent ! (The snake in the garden of eden) Coincidence ? No! Share & watch my exposing vids :)
We need to return to the heart instead of the intellectual mind. God wants the heart. Sometimes debating with kids and they have so much suffering and problems they can’t see unless we point them the flaws and not to overcome the wrongs they have but to let Go and let God change them. Jesse Lee Peterson at “Rebuilding the man Bond”.
@steve chu To be honest I was down that route, to say that God doesn’t exist is to say “Go suffer and die”. Look up “Rebuilding the man Bond”, it’ll give you a new perspective that most so called “Christians” who Bible Thumps will never teach because most likely they represent more of the Pharisees than what Jesus really teaches. In the end, our thoughts causes us to do wrong, become depress etc. because our heart has a sin nature, to change that we have to return to the father through Christ by the renewing of the heart and having the father’s identity. Everyone who argues “intellectually” is stuck in the mind and the loop of “suffering”, the fruit of knowledge is the cardinal mind of the world. As to why Jesus said “become like little children to enter the kingdom of God” whom are Adam and Eve before the fruit.
@@cameroneagle4370 Did Jesus mind people calling him God? no. Jesus said I am the son of God. Jesse believe he is the son of God which is enough. Jesus said as long as our heart is pure, we will know the truth instead of fighting among ourselves. John 14:11 "Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake." Its the heart that God wants but Christians keep fighting among themselves by identifications and denominations which turn people away from the simple reality.
@@leeman842 Because Allah is the greatest deceiver according to the Quran. Why would I have faith in someone who takes pride in their ability to lie to people?
@@Malhaloc "Because Allah is the greatest deceiver according to the Quran. Why would I have faith in someone who takes pride in their ability to lie to people?" That's a good question. Why would you believe in a god who deceives people? And the Lord said, 'Who will entice Ahab so that he will go up and fall in Ramoth-Gilead?' One said in this manner and another one said in that manner. And a certain spirit came forth and stood before the Lord and said, 'I will entice him,' and the Lord said to him 'How?' And he said, 'I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And He said, 'You will entice and you will prevail. Go forth and do so.' Book of 1 Kings, chapter 22. God sanctions this spirit's intention of deceiving Ahab by suggesting lies to his diviners. God says: "Sure, go ahead." John 7:8 Jesus (supposedly) said: "You go up to the feast. I am not going up to this feast, for My time has not yet been fulfilled." John 7:13 However, when His brothers had gone up to the feast, then He also went up.. Wouldn't that constitute a lie? "You guys go, I don't feel like coming, I'ma stay here, have fun!" - Goes anyway. Want another one? In Genesis 12 Abraham is traveling to Egypt, and he says this to Sarah: "Behold now I know that you are a woman of fair appearance, and it will come to pass when the Egyptians see you, that they will say, 'This is his wife!' And they will slay me and let you live. Please say that you are my sister, in order that it go well with me because of you, and that my soul may live because of you." Later on: And Pharaoh summoned Abram, and he said, "What is this that you have done to me? Why did you not tell me that she was your wife? Why did you say, 'She is my sister,' so that I took her to myself for a wife? And now, here is your wife; take her and go." So if you have a problem with lying, then from the Bible, we have a prophet of God telling his wife to lie, Jesus himself lying, and the God of the Old Testament giving a lying spirit the green light. So what about the Qur'an? Does God in the Qur'an boast about being the best of those who deceive? No. The word used in the verses you're referring to is "planning" and "planners", and it does not mean "deceiver". It can acquire the meaning of "plotting" if the context allows for it. So if you're planning something with bad intentions, then we would translate that Arabic to mean "plotting", but if the intention is good, then you just render it as "planning". What the Qur'an is saying that the enemies of prophets plotted against the prophets, but God is the best of those who plan, and that's referring to divine predestination. In other words, while these wicked people plotted against God's prophets, God had already predestined that they would fail in their attempts to kill those prophets. Hence; God is the best of planners. You need to read what it's saying. If we translate that word to mean "deceive", then the same word is used when describing what the enemies of the prophets were doing. So were they trying to deceive those prophets? No, they were making plans to get them killed. They weren't trying to trick them, they wanted to murder them.
Woah. He really got delirious in this one. That was really fun watching him break down. A literal crazy man. “If you can’t repeat Lincoln’s assassination in Calcutta India then it never happened “ what the fuck
I realise how hard it is for them to understand what they believe in. Because Cliff is only pointing out the deep meaning of what they truly believe as atheists and the absurdity of it. These walls that Satan has built into their minds really need ot be shaken and apologetics is the weapon for it, and the Gospel is the eye opening tool to see God.
@@jasonnoble7814 He judges evil, He created beauty, He sacrificed Himself for us while we were enemies. He gives goods to good and evil people, He is patient, merciful and wise.
@@christianpetrov5415 That's not a knowledge demonstration. That's preaching to which anyone can do about any claimed God. How do you know, not what do you claim knowledge of? How do you know?
@@jasonnoble7814 You can't tell anything about any God by yourself and speaking from your own.. The Bible is written for a period of 1400years by more than 40authors.. They all claim to have seen or heard the same God in different centuries appart. The last time He spoke was 2000years ago in Jesus (God among men). And only from that knowledge I can trust that all of what God did was good since He died for us meanwhile He could have destroyed us with no mercy. By His actions which He did in a different period of our time, we can conclude, that God is good. And by own experience I can say I feel His love through the Spirit He gives to those who believe.
The word of God convicts people to change. All humans dislike change because for God’s word and God’s sense to get to us, it must first expose us to ourselves. How wrong we’ve been. It is convinient for us to deny this, because the moment we open our minds and accept it as truth, we will have to deal with our pride that told us otherwise, deal with change, deal with people. Not to mention these old thoughts that benefit the flesh. God causes a change in us, it changes the heart but us humans, we dislike change so much we rather be comfortably stubborn and stagnant in our way of thinking, in our way of life. The word of God gives intellectual freedom!
Young lady at the beginning says "we saw the bullet in President Lincoln's head". Well, she personally did not but eye witnesses did and perhaps took a photo and wrote some stuff down. OK, so what does that mean? We stop believing in written history because there were no photographs beyond a certain time in the past?! She correctly states that there are multiple disciplines that fall under the umbrella of science and that's fine. One of those is the Textual Criticism methods which historians use and philosophers (in this case, of theology) comment on, that help to verify how believable a historical account (not the actual material the text is written on but the text itself) really is. The Bible has gone through this process - very successfully - several times over. Just read the work of Gary Habermass, William Lane Craig, Mike Licona and Bart Ehrman - the last being an atheist) and more. They will ALL tell you the same thing about the Bible.
@@leeman842 Still trolling this channel looking for a fight - and then stepping out when the facts are revealed about your twisted and bloody faith? _Of course you are!_ Why? 'Cause you got nothing better to do, that's why. You're probably not even a Muslim yourself! [smh]
@@leeman842 Actually, the God of the Bible knows what the sadistic and evil regime that is Islam conceals and reveals. We all know it. The evidence is overwhelming. So just keep on copying and pasting since you have no argument. Whatever.
She's right. If someone wrote "in 1776 a spaceship landed in Philadelphia, 1000 people saw it and were all willing to die rather than renounce their observation," does that mean a spaceship landed in Philadelphia? Or that a creative writer made it up?
@@gaetanomaximus8650 "she is right" to interrupt the other , to answer for her question, to try not understand what the other say and consider with her pre-concept 😂... unbelievable intelligent.... The only problem is with your spaceship imagination in Philadelphia that has never been recorded anywhere apart from here at the You Tube comment section. The apostles who before died at least , they wrote down they eye witness testimony about Jesus. You can check those in the dead scrolls as historical evidence and put next to your imagination in Philadelphia. There is in the Bible as well Matthew, Mark ,Luke, John,Peter, Paul .... You have never ever will find anyone, I mean only one person who is willing to die for a liar. It's impossible just think about it. These kind of examples 'spaceship' just all assumptions to denied the truth. As you will see this comment in your notification , that means Jesus calls you for repentance. God Bless you with His Mercy & Truth 🤍🤍🙏
3:03 the girl didn't listen to anything regarding people dying for what they claimed to have seen. no one is going to be willing to die for something they think they may have seen (UFOs...people may think they have seen UFO) but the disciples of Jesus don't think they saw Jesus ressurected from the dead, they lived and acted as if they knew he did, not just think, they lived as though they saw him crystal clear and one of them (thomas) even claimed to have touched him and then called him God. they died for something that they know they saw as reality, not just some thought or vision they THINK they may have had claiming the historical ressurection to be just about the same as someone claiming that they think they may have seen a UFO is not even close to what the disciples of Jesus claimed
@@theoskeptomai2535 becuase it wasn't what they believed, it was what they saw that changed the course of christianity. the disciples after Jesus died were filled with doubt and the most famous of these doubters was "doubting thomas" and then Jesus came to him (not in a dream or vision) but literally came to him because all the disciples were there as well, and thomas said, "my Lord my God". ever since then thomas went preaching the gospel in India and died by a spear.
@@theoskeptomai2535 I'm not saying they literally watched him get up from his tomb and walk out. im saying after he died and rose again, Jesus appeared to them physically and his disciples saw him and the famous doubter "doubting Thomas" believed only after he saw. because according to the bible, thomas even said, "unless i see him, i will not believe" and that is when Jesus appears to him and says some other stuff. point being most of the disciples saw him one time and then thomas saw him another time
@@albertjames804 Who, exactly, witnessed a resurrected Jesus? Start with ONE person. I am not interested in your unfounded claims, nor do I want to hear you preach. I want you to simply provide the identity of one person who witnessed a resurrected Jesus. Please provide the identity.
When in history have people been willing to die for a lie, especially when it was so easy for the disciples to dodge the questions and run for their lives? Even the Nazis abandoned Hitler, especially after the war when they saw their stupidity. That's the closest I can come to a historical case (not scientific) but that's it and it crashed and burned right after the war, especially.
Me personally, I'd be pretty unwilling to die even for something that I knew was 100% true. I probably wouldn't lay down my life just to defend 2+2 being 4. It would have to be some incredible supernatural occurrence to convince someone to die like that.
cliffe you're awesome i love your vids. Im alittle suprised u didnt explain to him that what he was describing was a fallacious argument called 'God of the gaps'. I think the conversation would have benefited from going into a little more detail. I like your analogy of the piano player.
I wonder what happens when their parents say i love you to him and he responds with its only the chemicals making you say that and vice versa live out what you believe
In the beginning, God made us in his image, like and the character! To have dominion over the earth and rule over everything. Then we fail to obey God one rule to maintain our God-like ability. Not to mix the good and the bad as it gonna cause chaos as knows the consequences of it is better for him to leave that part to himself to handle it! But no! we break the law and when the consequence of our actions come about, we blame God and deny him at the same time other than ourselves. We call that in real life and moment a complete ignorant of what we are doing. Jesus begged his father to forgive us on the cross for we don't know what we are doing. I pray for these university kids to find purposes in life through God's grace rather than themself as our self always lead to chaos!
Love the way you put it that we were once "God-like", too. I'd not considered it like that and it makes a great deal of sense that humans should not have "mixed" good and evil deeds together, to form the chaos we live in today. That's really elegantly and logically put - thank you for sharing.
@@thecloudtherapist Appreciate the compliment response! My late father has always told us that the accuser of God cannot stand the fact that his/our maker says, let us make man in our image, like and character, let alone putting his hands on the dirt and breath his breath to our nostrils, to imagine the covetous emotion running through the veins of those were just created by words, to raise the question why we were created in that special way and given a kingdom to govern as God? Needless to say, it must have been hard to swallow, for some! It must have been why Jesus meant that the spirit in us is superior to anything existing in the universe for Gods breath was directly breathed at us rather than say so! I always come back to that conclusion when battling with the question of why God bothered with our filthy selfishness as my earthly father analysed God's words. It breaks my soul when I see the situation through God's eyes what Lucifer has become due to self brightness and hunger for his father's position to rule! And we wanted to be God when we were created to be God as him and we believe the accuser that there is more! And the only way for our Father to redeem us to our glory to reunite us all is for him through Jesus to put on the real fallen flesh so we can devour, whipped, spat upon and hung up on the tree to break our heart to see the truth that all of us is part of him as Jesus Christ and the spirit! And only our Unity as God can defeat the accusers powerful attributes!
@@leeman842 It's a perfect situation for the accuser and his demons to infuse their lethal dosages of deceptions to blind as many souls of God from him. But, we must be careful that God created us all! And the answer is only the spirit of God can defeat both the spiritual and worldly entities. As simple it may sound, it's very complicated for our fallen flesh to chart out Gods means for us to solve the puzzles due to our connections to transgressions. With our fallen nature, God has only given Jesus as a beacon for us to understand the Godly power of choice he has given to us as a token of his grace and constant love for his special creation "human"! With that said, I guess we must pray for our enemies and see them through, God's spirits to grasp the way he operates in every situation rather than relying on ourselves... I'd come to a conclusion observing my God-fearing earthly father in action. Constantly searching for God's way to solve the problems. Always everything deduced to love in his whole life. My old man has diverted thousands of souls to God with what we called a random act of compassion. Mowing the Nabours lawns, helping a friend in shortage and need. Offering food to the poor, donating the most treasured goods that we don't need, hugging a stranger when seems down around him, visiting the hospital when he has spare time, listening to the lost soul's complaints, and praying for the sins of the whole world to be forgiven in a daily basis! I believe if only I could understand 2% of how my old man loves God with all he has, I could be a better-fallen man and grow from there closer to God. Our mother often on the verge of denying God the way my old man loves God. He always pulled out this line that sends a chill down our spines including our mother: Be careful with what you treasured in your hearts as there no place there for garbage, but God's spirit to dwell on and operate for the goodness of love! The garbage dumpster is where the garbage belongs!🤭 Anyways, I had come to understand that I have been filling my heart with garbages of this material world with little space for God spirit to work with me. For me, it's a daily internal conflict to separate from myself and dwell with the spirit of God to direct me hence my comments it's very complicated to see both God's grace meantime sarcophagus by the chaotic nature of the Devil in us! And conjecture, is a big part of our hypothetical chaotic life! Nice talking to your Lee. May God bless you in all that you do! Cheers!
@@jasonnoble7814 since you came onto my feet or thread I will answer you prove to me that you're not a I prove to me that you're really so named Jason Noble as a human being or acts like a human being sometimes!
@@jasonnoble7814 first of all Jason I don't want to dialogue with you because you're not honest second of all if you pay attention for the last year or whatever it's been 6-8 months I told you I don't have for use Facebook.
@@godislove363 You don't want to dialogue with me but you continue to ask me questions. I allowed you to face me on real-time to prove to you I exist. But you don't do Facebook so I suggested a zoom meeting. Are you now going to complain I can't demonstrate I exist because you do not do zoom meetings? Admit I have presented enough evidence for you to believe I exist by proposing we meet live online.Just do the zoom meet and that should be enough evidence for you. It would be for me Sir. Why you refuse is your problem. You challenged me to prove I exist but you refuse to meet me. I'm going to conclude you agree I exist🤷♂️but are unwilling to admit it .
Goodness gracious that whole conversation with Ellen, I assume that is her name, was maddening! She was completely missing the point. Whether on purpose or not, I don't know. But, holy smokes! I can't tell you how many times I slapped the table I'm sitting at during this video. I don't know why people have a hard time grasping certain things
We are not wet bags of chemistry! If we were madder created by nothing which is the life comes from non life argument. We would not even be able to think or converse let alone do science! If we were just put together by reflexive action and lived by reflexive action we would not be human! There is no such thing as in historical scientific truth. They are two separate lines of knowledge.
@@jasonnoble7814 Do you hope you are right? That there is no God and all who believe there is a God are simply irrational. And if there is no God why should I care what you think or how you feel? You're just an insignificant bag of chemicals just like me if there is no God. But I really wanna know how you think, it's so intriguing.
@@spartangrace117 Which God ? I could see myself hoping Aphrodite is my God. Belief isn't a choice, one is either convinced something is true or your not. Hoping a God exists does nothing to the question. We live in a social construct that has evolved survival attributes. If you want to survive you should listen to others and take into account their beliefs. It's a false dichotomy to claim all we are without God is “insignificant” Do you believe that a omnipotent omniscient omnibenevolent God could create beings that do evil ? If so how ?
@@jasonnoble7814 You're talented at evasion. There are quite a few claims you make, friend. But what's the evidence you are right? Because from where I'm standing all I see are opinions.
Brian Keating, an *astrophysicist* explains the boundaries and applications of *scientific and philosophical knowledge* in a short video which he posted today (April 5th 2021) on the *PRAGER-U* TH-cam channel.
@cantstop God's word ! ! WAKE UP ! ! New world order is here ! illuminati = Real / Christ = Real ! Mark of the beast ! = Real ! End time prophecies = Real ! RAPTURE = REAL ! ! Vaccines = Not good ! God's Earth = Stationary & Flat ! NASA means to deceive & there logo is the serpent ! (The snake in the garden of eden) Coincidence ? No! Share & watch my exposing vids :)
@@michaeljackson8390 There’s only one TINY little problem with what you wrote above, Sir.☝️ There has never been, nor will there ever be, even the SLIGHTEST shred of evidence for the existence of the Godhead, that is, a Supreme Person or Deity. It is high time for humanity to awaken from all INANE superstitions such as the belief in a Personal God which created the Universe, would you not agree, Slave? 😩
I find it amazing how lost these college kids are, what is going to happen to them and the generation that follows, this man take it up on himself to save souls and they refuses to listen to his teaching on the Bible, please read JAMES 5;20, and may GOD mercy be on them.
Guy on the bike: The "God did it" rhetoric is getting tired and old. Atheists really need to move on from this. NO ONE is saying that we stop doing science or searching for the truth, just because we perceive of a powerful entity exists that could reasonably well be responsible for the order we see in the universe. We can still explore the magnificence of this universe and push back the boundaries of our knowledge, with the full confidence that the very reason why it is discoverable is because it does follow a design order and we humans have the same (albeit infinitely reduced) faculty as it's designer. So gravity can still be measured in a distant galaxy, if we ever get there, in the same way as we measure/detect/monitor it in our solar system. That's consistency - that's design. Science can carry on telling us HOW and religion can carry on telling us WHY.
@@godislove363 none of that explain why there is any need to have a why? Why are you assuming that there is a why? Because unless you can provide a reason, there is no why. And free will doesn't exist.
I think Mr Cliffe should have stressed that fact that the eye-witnesses were believers who have their beliefs firmly established when they saw the risen Christ with their very eyes. These believers were purposefully allowed the privilege of witnessing the resurrection so that they were willing to die for what they know to be the truth. We have read from the Gospels that the disciples were in fact a cowardly bunch, scattering when their master was captured. But that all changed after they witnessed the resurrection event, with even the "doubting Thomas" getting a feel of Jesus's wounds. They became heroic martyrs for a sure thing. Nobody, even the tightest of conspirators, would die in vain for a lie. That is powerful evidence for the truth of the resurrection.
Luke 11:34 The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness.
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 Yes It must be a desperate situation for Christians like yourself who are willing to surrender intellectual honestly to the point of believing Jesus Christ died for three days and then was resurrected? How does one come to believe a religion is true? Is it fear of death? Your subjective Unjust suffering? Community? Sense of righteousness? Indoctrination at a young age? That ^ seems to be the most popular answer. What could be the catalyst that makes a Christian? Could we say the Holy Spirit? Something we can not reasonably prove exists ? A metaphorically true ideology that's a factually false proposition that desperate suffering people receive comfort from? What could the answer be? 🤔
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Love Cliffe, but I don't know why he doesn't hit people with Thomas Aquinas' principles. I mean, the dude described thermodynamics 500 years or so before the term was coined...
7:20 "what the heck are you talking about man, this is ridiculous now" THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SAYING to the preposterous objections of the risen Christ cliff says, "maybe they threw a can of blood on him" and she says that is ridiculous but she would say the same equivalent thing about christ, like "maybe they stole his body...maybe they lied" its amazing how she doesn't see the equivalency of it, and she also says history can be scientifically proven and she gives historical evidence for it and call it science...that right there is what you get when you go to college, some college courses make you stupider than you were before you went.
@@theoskeptomai2535 Jesus rising from the dead as it is written is definitely a claim i understand that, i get that it isn't evidence. what i do consider evidence for this claim is how this phenomena in history affected the way the disciples of Jesus especially saul of tarsus (later through his radical conversion) became Paul...how their lives were forever changed by something they SAW, not something they believed but by what they SAW. dying for something you know you saw, verses something you believe in is totally and completely different. dying for something you believe in...someone may still have a few little or big doubts in their mind about why they belive what they believe when they have to be willing to DIE for that belief. but dieing for what you know you saw, and you confirm that it isnt just a blurred vision or something is far different. there is quite literally no question in your mind that what you saw and what you felt is FREAKING real, and true. and that is exactly what the disciples did and went through, including paul. they died for what they saw, (a risen Jesus christ) and they were willing to go through the hardest trails of torture for what they saw and also believed. there isn't single person in the world...PAST, PRESENT, or future who would be willing to die for something that they themselves knew to be a lie. there is a lot more, than just this. but this is the idea of why i know Jesus rose from the dead, I don't just believe it...I KNOW HE DID. because if Jesus didn't rise from the dead, then Jesus lied about who he was and his revolution would have stayed dead with him. so many people think his teaching and whatever else are just ideas that could survive even if Jesus died and stayed dead, but no they can't. Jesus is not the founder of a religion, he is the promise of the new covenant with God that He fullfilled
I’m torn. I appreciate that these dialogues happen. But I vehemently disagree; And many of the arguments presented here as evidence for the existence of a god are done so in a less than honest manner.
because it's a fascinating subject Young Eli, I was raised to believe the Bible was true, but as I've gotten older, I have realized that all is not as it seems regarding this idea of a Christian God, history is full of civilizations believing in all kinds of Gods all over the world, if you lived in ancient Egypt, you would almost certainly believe in the Egyptian Gods of the time... look at the pyramids they built to worship them. The same can be said of civilizations on virtually every continent. Humans look for answers for things they cannot explain, and invariably they come up with Gods. The more we discover about ourselves, our planet, and beyond, the less these Gods seem to be of relevance.
@@bonnie43uk We can discover as much as we want about ourselves, the planets, etc but that doesn’t stop the question what is beyond us thats creating this universe to occur which we relate to as God, the creation itself cannot explain how it was created meaning science cannot reverse engineer every aspect of the universe only parts that involve a physical nature & still doesn’t explain why you come here and watch these videos if the idea of God is becoming less relevant to you
@@bonnie43uk i study most of the hard sciences and it all points me back to a higher designer then myself so until you can explain to me where RNA/DNA came from to create life idk how I could accept what your saying to me because obviously you haven’t looked deeper enough into the planets, the stars, yourself, or the universe if u think this highly designed phenomena is just happening without cause 🌌🧬
@@YoungEli9 No one is saying the universe came out of nothing, ... science is a slow process of finding out the hows, why's and wherefores. It doesn't have an ultimate goal as such, there will always be another corner that we haven't been down and want to find out what is around that corner so to speak 😊
if you do not put every word equal to opposite upon a spectral ball you will not see what The Bible is truly saying. Light/life at the top, darkness/death at the bottom, order within the lightest shade of dark and balance within the lightest shade of light, you will start seeing why God placed this grain of light within the darkness as we all have a grain of faith and the more you seek, the light/faith will grow.
Nobody has forgotten that because it is entirely foolish. Evolution, including biological evolution is a fact. "Evolution is still a theory and not a scientific fact." Evolution is a process, not a theory. Evolution is simply the process of change over time. Each and every current phenomenon is in a process of change at any given moment. And this process of evolution includes biological life forms. Biological evolution is a thoroughly established, undeniable fact. And the explanation that best explains the diversity of lifeforms and the process of speciation, agreed upon by the entire biological society, comes about by means of natural selection. I can tell by your idiotic statement (That is why it is called the "theory of evolution") that you have no idea the meaning of 'Theory' as used within the scientific societies. Again, you have demonstrated your idiocy, for you cannot comprehend that the use of the term is not the one of common vernacular to mean a hypothesis, conjecture, or speculative guess. 'Theory' in science is the most criticized level of tested validity. Only the most *_proven facts,_* those able to survive the hardest scrutiny, are able to rise to the level of a theorem. Only a few dozen explanations have made it to this highest level of "Theory". Here is a quote from the American Association for the Advancement of Science: _A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world. The theory of biological evolution is more than "just a theory". It is as factual an explanation of the universe as the atomic theory of matter or the germ theory of disease. Our understanding of gravity is still a work in progress. But the phenomenon of gravity, like evolution, is an accepted fact._ So the next time you hear the *Theory of Evolution* you can be _assured_ that all data, records, and samples attest to the undeniable *_fact_* of evolution and that the theorem (By the Means of Natural Selection) is the current best explanation agreed to by the scientific community.
You just made the single most common mistake regarding scientific terminology. This will take me some time to type out so please do me the honour of at least reading it. A scientific theory is not the same as a theory in the colloquial sense of the word. What you might call a theory in everyday language is closer to a hypothesis in scientific terms. If something has been demonstrated to be factual then it stops being a hypothesis and is elevated to the level of a theory. Theory is the highest level that something can attain in science, even higher than a scientific law. Theory in science means the field of study. It's taken from the Greek word meaning to view something from the highest or most powerful position. Nothing gets elevated from a hypothesis to a theory unless it is a fact. A scientific theory is the explanation for a particular subject that has already been demonstrated to be true, and has been repeatedly confirmed through observations and experiments. The subject matter of a scientific theory is fact, the scientific theory explains why. For example: Gravity is a fact. The Theory of Gravity explains why gravity is a fact. Germs are a fact. The Germ Theory of Disease explains why. Tides are a fact. The Theory of Tides explains why. A scientific theory doesn't suddenly stop being a theory and become fact, because all scientific theories are already built on a body of facts. And a scientific theory doesn't suddenly stop being a theory and become a scientific law, because all scientific theories already include laws. There are 4 laws of gravity, for example, and they're part of the Theory of Gravity. It doesn't even make sense to reject a scientific theory. It's like saying that you don't believe in atoms because Atomic Theory is "just a theory".
Very sad how far our society gone that far into madness. These are the students of our country that we trust to be in power for the future and they don't know right and wrong.
@@TheWorldTeacher are you serious you are asking me what does right means? Are you one of them? Right is that which conforms facts and truth. Righteous Upright Good Correct Truth Proper . . .
Loving watching these old video's. The kid on the bike at about 10 minutes makes a great point that science isn't saying it has all the answers, it's a slow process of discovery, eg: it would appear that this universe had a beginning around 13.8 billion years ago. Rather than say "God created everything" Science is simply finding out what is true, and what is not true. People are free to believe whatever they wish, but, science seems to have a pretty good track record. And when it does get something wrong, it's open to being amended and corrected. Science adjusts its view on what is observed, faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved.
We meet again bonnie, Hope life is good (except there is no such thing as good) Rather than respond to your comment, I am going to ask you a question. (ok 2 questions lol) You defined faith as "denial of observation so that belief can be preserved." What if that was not the Christian definition of faith? and if that is the case shouldn't you use the definition as stated by whoever's claim you are challenging to use their terms instead of rewriting the terms so that they are automatically wrong. Because that is not how I define faith at all.
@@josephtattum6365 Hey Joseph, I'm good thanks, hope you are too. Yes, when I mentioned faith, it was regarding how people who believe in God are bound by their religion in lots of ways, they tend to have concepts of their God which don't change with the times. Of course, any Christian would not like their faith to be described as a 'denial of observation'. We all see things from different perspectives, I understand that. I was reading today that about 40% of Americans believe in the Genesis account of creation. Given that it's generally accepted by science that the planet is over 4 billion years old it's quite staggering to me that so many Americans believe the Bible over science.. that's where I was coming from. Faith is one of those words that has different meanings to different people.. eg, i have faith that my apartment block will not fall down tomorrow, or that my car will start when i turn the ignition key, ... it's based on probability. Feel free to tell me your own definition of faith.
@@bonnie43uk Sure thing. Faith to me is: trust, assurance, confidence. My faith in Jesus (who is the most incredible man who ever lived) has nothing to do with abandoning the evidence and just positing him as the explanation. My faith is my trust and confidence that he is going to save me because I believe I have good reason to think it is true. If the evidence is not convincing to you I understand, but it is hard for me to see how one could deny his incredible divinity. As always a pleasure to talk with you. (Btw are you from the UK? it is in your name)
Where did 500 or a similar number of people testify together that they saw an alien come out of a spaceship, touch them, breath on them, eat with them, and return to space. Where do we have that same number of eye witnesses confirming the details of the alien encounter? If there is such a case, especially if it were in a country like N. Korea (a country that harms people for standing out in such a way), there would be a reason to say the experience is credible. It would then be another mater to interpret that corroborated testimony and determine if what came out of that vehicle really was an extra terrestrial organism and if the vehicle really is an interstellar vessel. These students aren't even allowing themselves to look at the account of Jesus because they are philosophically insulating themselves. Dealing with someone who is not left speechless by their Dawkins and Hitchens script leaves them with too much cognitive dissonance. You can see them hit the eject button one by one and escape from the matter at hand.
This girl, Ellen is unaware of the circumstances of how the resurrection and the following events occurred. The apostles were aware of Christ because Christ made them aware. He appeared to them. He touched them, they touched Him. He ate food. He travelled with them. He continually asked them about the events and revealed himself as the Christ. They hid themselves from the Romans and the Jewish theocracy. They did not try to call attention to the risen Christ. When the truth got out, they were questioned and gave witness. They were threatened and told they could renounce their faith or be put to death. They did not go offer to die for the testimony. They were so happy and amazed by the truth that they shared it with others. That was their so called crime. One by one they were killed for it. So were the other witnesses. James was thrown off the pinnacle of the temple building. The highest height. When he landed below, he wasn't dead. So they beat him to death for his testimony. He did not go offer his testimony to the enemies of Christ but spoke it openly. It was a truth he saw with his own eyes and felt with his own hands. His brother from the same mother had died on the cross and returned to this life just as He said He would and in fulfillment of the scriptures these people all knew. James was canonized a "Saint" by the churches criteria at a later date. He was martyred for the truth. That's just one example.
The truth in spirit flows eternally forward the body lies to the spirit and it flows eternally reverse/revere from truth, those who are stuck in the material plain will live Revelation and those who follow after the spirit find truth, what Jesus did was healed the spirit and the body. Those who seek the end in Revelations will find it and those who seek the truth in the beginning will find the veil leaving their eyes. Judgement comes to only those who judge, you have your will of creation upon all creation so judge not less ye be, judged yourself. How hard is it to say sorry and sin no more, all is forgiven, death/darkness took possession of all word, it is only his fault. Everything I've learned, I have learned on my own. I have never read the Bible till after I had my dreams with Jesus, he himself explained things to me. I explained everything in my book. Everyone has all word of creation upon them, each word has their own cell of aura, it is a firmament as this Galactic cell is the body of Christ, it has an aura and you are a word of creation within the body of Christ, you live the body of Christ and he has already died for your sins, that has enabled him as The Lord of Hosts. Within the handshake of all things, Jesus was the Body, he lived the experience of the spirit of the most high and the will of the father is the will within the body of Christ he gets to live the body of Christ with no powers, only faith, he will only present himself by the word and he stands firm with all the word. Genesis, Moses is not leading us into the book of word he is leading us out, back to the beginning. (Example) God placed a firmament between all the word and us as word have been placed within a six feet firmament caused by the corona-tion/crown lasted a year. Next is the (word was God) goes on all this year. Next year the word will start understanding these things and it will be, the (word was with God.) Next year after the word will have their full understanding of these things and God will be one with (the Word) as they are the bride to the body of Messiah, then Jesus by will, have ascended to the father, Jesus is proof that even death will experience life. (Bible says, God comes by the truth of your heart is your crown)means/corona, it is also your body and your Galactic cell upon Omega. We are the word of God and our actions are the signs of word, welcome to the corona/tion. Each sentence in the Bible is a sentence from order and each sentence is a year sentence as (1 in the beginning was the word) and (2 the word was with God) and (3 the word was God) (4 and the corona/crown has placed us as word six feet of firmament from each other.) Truth of word flows eternally forward as the distortion of truth is number, numb/cold power numb/ber. The multitudes are being taken back from death/darkness as legion is many, took everything from all the word. The light in the darkness is this grain of earth within this universal body and it is protecting all of life as you have a Galactic cell out there and this Galactic cell we are in right now is the body of Christ, you live the body of Christ within Omega as you have all word/will of creation upon you, within each cell is a throne, for all word of creation, you have your will/word of creation upon equal me/a/sure, you are a universal body, when this is over you will be shown all your action and consequence upon your Galactic realm and when trust is earnt you will claim your universal body again, within this multiverse. (universe/unity of verse/unity of word. I wrote a book it is all over the world, the book is called, The last shall be the first and the first shall be the last by Joseph Darrell Walker. If you know the Bible then you will know everything. Voices in head are not mental, think positive and legion as he is many will leave. Genesis/Moses isn't leading us into the darkness, he is walking us out of it, so read 4,3,2,1, and it will make better sense. All things fall, back to GOD, Isaiah 11;12. The more you wake people up, by that measure has woke up unto you so speak truth to the fullest and you will find faith walking within you. whizbuzzbooks.com/the-last-shall-be-the-first-and-the-first-shall-be-the-last-joseph-darrell-walker/ ;iug
No reason why not. The big bang happened regardless of whether God exists or not. There is nothing about it that precludes or disproves the existence of God. You could choose to believe that God made it happen if you want.
Cliffe has other videos where he accepts evolution could be how God created man. Paraphrasing: “the Bible doesn’t describe HOW God created man, just that he did.”
So I’m a Christian but the girl is actually right… being a martyr is not proof… While I believe in the historic account of Jesus and I think that is the important part that proves the life of Jesus, just being a martyr doesn’t make it true… there’s been religious like cults where people die for what they believe that’s missing historical evidence that their god or leader was divine and yet if you just looked at their death as proof you’d have to say they were divine just bc people died for their belief… I know I might not have explained perfect but I actually agree with the first girl and I think Cliffe made a pretty bad argument though I agree with most everything else
People are still dying today for Christ and for the belief in Christ! If I saw something and I know I saw it I'm not going to lie to say I didn't see it. So what follows would be my death or imprisonment. People aren't willing to die for a lie and they were also not willing to lie to live if they truly saw something!
The New Age thinker are swayed towards Atheism not because they are really convinced by Atheist theories, but rather, it is because it fits their desires to be able to do whatever they want ("do as thou will") without the worry of an eternal consequence. If you take GOD out of the picture, then there can be no thought of accountability. They just want to WHATEVER they please, but know that if they admit JESUS is true and GOD is real, then they are confronted with needing to repent. And that is their viewpoints are so inconsistent and intellectually dishonest.
People refuse to accept the fact that people died for what they saw (the resurrection), but believe in a digital drawing of a planet that some people in white drawn. You haven't seen those planets, why do you believe they exist? Scientists could be lying-
@@bhumble8429 how is that different, they believed in their cause The desciples believed in what they knew to be the Truth, just like I do, I know Yahaushau to be the Truth,
@@Blackhebrew01 They died for what they said they saw not what they believed. It's different because while I believe in Jesus, I haven't seen him. There were those who saw him and did not believe. The two are not the same. The apostles were not saying "We will die for this because we believe these events took place." They were saying "We will die for this because we were there, we saw it, it is fact."
Let me give you an advice. Do not try convince them by giving them the historical evidence. But Challenge them to pray and see the results. I am from Greece and in the areas i was living we see miracles in our churches. That is a wrong way of approaching young people.
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 yes he doesn't realize we're all part of God's family Christ in C skin color it's people like us to have and to know that he realize that the better.
@cantstop God's word @saint paul Yeah he's got something weird going on same call I don't know if he's been brainwashed I don't know if he's doing this to play games I don't know if he has some cult leader that's really gotten screwed up this weird.
@cantstop God's word first of all I post a lot of scripture you just choose not to pay attention second of all you don't always have to post scripture it's not the scripture is the interpretation understanding and belief in that scripture and how you carry it if you use it to your own devices for Eagle that's wrong if you don't know how to interpret it that is wrong. Leave your cult man leave your cult.
Mr Cliff do ask them if they read the bible to prove or not the signs of time. That was written by men and inspired by God in the last days are taking place as we breath. Just to let them know that history is predicting and is happening right know.
Notice everything else is not debated except Christ simply because Christ INTERFERS with the lifestyle of thier choice . They simply cannot admit that all the evidence in the universe will not be enough because they are not interested in evidence they are seeking to disprove so they can relax and enjoy the pleasures that sin brings ..it's the REAL issue every other belief is convenient which is why they will NOT dispute those beliefs !
Someone willing to die for a cause he truly feels is worth dying for won't make said cause to be truthful. Second, if you believe in science, what do you have to say about evolution? Do you believe in it or not? Or animals were just brought to earth the way they are today?
Am I the only one who is extremely aggravated by the ignorance combined with arrogance of these kids? They have zero humility. They almost never let Cliffe finish a sentence before they interrupt with "but...." They don't seem to know how to THINK LOGICALLY or stay in touch with reality. They seem completely brainwashed, like they've only learned to accept and believe whatever their atheist professors tell them. They seem to think they are engaging in an honest debate while they listen to nothing, regurgitate idiotic statements of atheist philosophy that they've never stopped to think about, and they somehow think they are winning an argument. It's insane.
The first student isn't thinking clearly, and nor is she listening or being reasonable. There are a lot of things which cannot be scientifically proven. In fact, historical knowledge and scientific knowledge, as wonderful as they both are, they are not interchangeable.
As a genuine seeker of truth I wonder if there are any kind-hearted people on here willing to answer two questions. (totally unrelated to this video.) A few things that confuse me about Jesus teaching. 1. Maybe I am reading it wrong but Jesus on occasion seems to imply that the "unrighteous" will be separated from him at the judgment. He seems to insinuate that the unrighteous are people who do not obey him. If that is the case then I am pretty sure I am one of those people, and I would imagine everyone else, BBBUUUUT then in other places (like prodigal son) he talks about accepting his unrighteous son back home despite all he did. THEN he turns and says that the Pharisees even though they did what was righteous were still not "righteous". He wants us to obey him then calls obedience "filthy rags". The question is: Does it matter what we do or not? It is very confusing. (sorry I know the was long) 2. (somewhat related) Why don't (maybe they do) evangelical Christians accept miracle stories recorded in ancient non-biblical works? (I am here defining a miracle that is an act of the immaterial supernatural as the only reasonable explanation for an event) Consider the miracle of the dancing sun at Fatima (1917). This extraordinary event, which was witnessed by more than 30,000 people, was also attested to by unsympathetic, secular sources including Avelino de Almeida, a reporter who had mocked the visionaries at Fatima. She wrote in the newspaper O Século, “Before the astonished eyes of the crowd, whose aspect was biblical as they stood bare-headed, eagerly searching the sky, the sun trembled, made sudden incredible movements outside all cosmic laws-the sun ‘danced’ according to the typical expression of the people.” Do you accept this historically attested claim of fatima and why? AND Are there any sources about (obviously not confirming because they didn't believe it) but ABOUT the miracles of Jesus life that mention it? I am sorry if that was long but I am trying to solve these mysteries, not as a troll like most but as a seeker. Thanks.
The Fatima "miracle" is an excellent example of how an extraordinary claim can be taken as true, when in fact, the truth is, it is very very easily explained... try looking directly at the sun for as long as you can... when you look away, the image of the Sun will be momentarily burnt into your retina. if you look in a different part of the sky, that image will follow your gaze, and it will also change color .. this is exactly what those thousands of people claimed, .. that the sun danced in the sky, and changed color. There was also a shower, and people got wet, ... when the sun appeared again, ... guess what, .. it dried their damp clothes. No supernatural explanation needed. People have a propensity to believe what they want to believe.
@@bonnie43uk Right exactly, that is why I pose the question, I really like testing my own beliefs and assumptions. It is possible I am wrong about Jesus and I want to hear other Christians ideas on these tough questions. It isn't like we should just BLINDLY believe. If I am going to believe in someone I had better have good evidence that it is true.
We are to obey the teachings of Christ and the word of God. We are to live righteously. BUT! Jesus knows we're going to fail. That's the whole reason he went to the cross, to be a sacrifice to atone for our sins. But, as Paul wrote to the Romans, "Shall we sin now that grace may abound? God forbid!". We are not saved by our works, but through faith in Christ. But when you put that faith in Christ, you won't want to do evil works. I'm not familiar with the Fatima miracle, but it sounds miraculous. Atheists often say that Christians just attribute anything we don't understand to God and that which we do understand to not God. Therefore, as knowledge increases about how the universe works, belief in God diminishes. It's called the God of the Gaps argument and it's false. We know lightning is not God sitting on a cloud smiting evil. Thunder is not God speaking. But, even though we know what lightning is, we still marvel at it as the work of God.
It’s the same thing as testifying to a claim under penalty of perjury by signing a sworn affidavit as witnesses do in a court of law. You are willing to go to prison if what you say is false. This makes you a valid witness. Same concept of what witnesses of Jesus Christ went through but worse. What she is saying doesn’t make sense.
*WARNING* to the uninitiated! *BEWARE THE RESIDENT TROLLS!!* 1. BONNIE = 10 years and counting (literally) 2. STEVE CHU = mouth running naturalist 3. KORSPE6INDER = naturalist 4. LEE MAN = Muslim 5. VINNEY RAC = too busy objecting to consider the arguments Just FYI! Engage at your own discretion!
@@leeman842 And wandering about, to and fro, is all you're doing. I guess trolling this channel is somehow a great service to Allah, as you continue to embarrass yourself by advocating for the bloody and vengeful, pedophile prophet? Clearly, there is NO peace upon him.
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 I have already challenged Lee several times on his Sabbath, the quaran abd he once said I do not know and ignored me the other times.
KJV John 11:1-45 1 Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha. 2 (It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.) 3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick. 4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby. 5 Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus. 6 When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was. 7 Then after that saith he to his disciples, Let us go into Judaea again. 8 His disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to stone thee; and goest thou thither again? 9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. 10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him. 11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. 12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. 13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. 14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. 15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him. 16 Then said Thomas, which is called Didymus, unto his fellowdisciples, Let us also go, that we may die with him. 17 Then when Jesus came, he found that he had lain in the grave four days already. 18 Now Bethany was nigh unto Jerusalem, about fifteen furlongs off: 19 And many of the Jews came to Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. 20 Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house. 21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee. 23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? 27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world. 28 And when she had so said, she went her way, and called Mary her sister secretly, saying, The Master is come, and calleth for thee. 29 As soon as she heard that, she arose quickly, and came unto him. 30 Now Jesus was not yet come into the town, but was in that place where Martha met him. 31 The Jews then which were with her in the house, and comforted her, when they saw Mary, that she rose up hastily and went out, followed her, saying, She goeth unto the grave to weep there. 32 Then when Mary was come where Jesus was, and saw him, she fell down at his feet, saying unto him, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled, 34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see. 35 Jesus wept. 36 Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him! 37 And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died? 38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it. 39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days. 40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God? 41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. 42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me. 43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. 44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go. 45 Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on him.
God bless you Cliffe, may you be healthy and live for many more years
@@leeman2177 what signs if allah
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There’s only one TINY little problem with what you wrote above, Sir.☝️
There has never been, nor will there ever be, even the SLIGHTEST shred of evidence for the existence of the Godhead, that is, a Supreme Person or Deity.
It is high time for humanity to awaken from all INANE superstitions such as the belief in a Personal God which created the Universe, would you not agree, Slave? 😩
@@TheWorldTeacher
Easy answer
The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God. As the Scriptures say, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and discard the intelligence of the intelligent.” So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world’s brilliant debaters? God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish. Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never know him through human wisdom, he has used our foolish preaching to save those who believe. It is foolish to the Jews, who ask for signs from heaven. And it is foolish to the Greeks, who seek human wisdom. So when we preach that Christ was crucified, the Jews are offended and the Gentiles say it’s all nonsense. But to those called by God to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God. This foolish plan of God is wiser than the wisest of human plans, and God’s weakness is stronger than the greatest of human strength. Remember, dear brothers and sisters, that few of you were wise in the world’s eyes or powerful or wealthy when God called you. Instead, God chose things the world considers foolish in order to shame those who think they are wise. And he chose things that are powerless to shame those who are powerful. God chose things despised by the world, things counted as nothing at all, and used them to bring to nothing what the world considers important. As a result, no one can ever boast in the presence of God. God has united you with Christ Jesus. For our benefit God made him to be wisdom itself. Christ made us right with God; he made us pure and holy, and he freed us from sin. Therefore, as the Scriptures say, “If you want to boast, boast only about the Lord .”
1 Corinthians 1:18-31 NLT
bible.com/bible/116/1co.1.18-31.NLT
@@juliohinojosa6923, a very verbose response with not a SINGLE shred of evidence (as I fully expected), Silly Sinful Slave.
Cliffe Knechtle on a College Campus explaining the difference between science and design.
There once was a family of mice. They lived in a piano. They enjoyed the music that came from the Great Piano Player. But one day one of the little mice got really brave and he climbed up into the piano and to his amazement he found out that the music does not come from the piano player, it comes from wires that reverberate back and forth.
Then the little mouse returned to his family and said “Guess what guys? There is no great piano player. I’ll tell you where the music comes from. It comes from wires that reverberate back-and-forth.” So the family of mice no longer believed in a piano player. They had a totally mechanistic understanding of their Universe. Wires reverberating producing music.
Until one day another little mouse got even braver. And he climbed up even further into the bowels of the piano. And he was amazed when he found that the music does not come from the wires. It comes from the hammers that strikes the wires. That’s what produces the music. Well, the little mouse returned to his family of mice and they re did their scientific theories. They re did their mechanistic understanding of their Kosmos. But they still enjoyed the music that came from the piano player.
Science is a wonderful, very valuable and precious study of process. It’s good and it comes right out of a Biblical worldview: a reasonable God created an orderly world, and gave us rational minds that we can unlock the secrets of the Universe. As Einstein said it,
“I want to understand how the Creator did it.”
So science is great, but the question still remains, is it not more reasonable to believe in that there is an intelligent mind beyond behind the process, and I think the answer is obviously yes. You see design has a designer, and if you push it back far enough you meet a designer. Now Jesus Christ claimed to be revealing this Designer in human terms, in a way that you and I, with our limited finite minds can begin to understand.
- Cliffe Knechtle
Thanks for sharing this! may i share this on youtube comments as well?
Unfortunately for Cliffe, reality is not a piano. And there's no evidence that the universe was designed. He isn't as clever as he thinks he is.
@@colinmatts of course your du*b a*s has it all figured out, of course. Share please
@@colinmatts uhhh..? you do realize the point is how incomprehensible understanding a piano could be to a family of mere mice. its a fair comparison and if all you got from that was "hur durr the universe isnt a piano! so clearly cliffe isnt that smart!" then i suggest you go back to school and open a book and understand what a metaphor is lol
Dumbest analogy ever
The reason so many people of this generation reject the belief of Jesus stems from men loving darkness more than light. They love their sin, so if they admit Jesus is truth, they are confronted with needing to repent. Our conscience testifies to the truth of Jesus, people know deep inside Jesus is truth. That is why I don't believe anyone who claims to be atheist. God bless you Cliff, keep fighting the good fight.
Correct, The Bible says it and I say it alot on here.
You're wrong Tommy, although I respect your opinion. I don't believe this Jesus character of the New testament existed, during his supposed time on earth, not a single person wrote about him. I'm sure he exists in the minds of believers, but credible evidence of his existence is poor. Outside of the Bible there is not much out there. A man of that name may well have existed, but I'm fairly certain he didn't have any supernatural powers or came down from heaven.
@Jesse Bryant
@saint paul
Well look here, sadly the lead troll is back.
@@godislove363 Lead troll? .. Jacob, name me one person who wrote about Jesus during the time he was alive?. This is a serious discussion isn't it? People tend to have different opinions on the subject of faith. I love watching these Ask Cliffe discussions. I generally tend to agree with the students, that doesn't make me a troll.
Totally agree, this is the problem with most of humanity right now, that we are in a quest to search for any lies that will suppress the truth just so we can live life in pleasure and without the conviction of sins from a holy God.
I love this verse in 2nd Peter, it describes this generation and it will describe the ones to come perfectly...'scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” Of these things they are wilfully ignorant, that by the word of God the heavens were of old.
This is a good verse to keep to heart
Always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth.
2 Tim 3:7
Sounds like college kids
@@cameroneagle4370 ha!
@@leeman2177 I'd like to see religions working together and take the good from their religious literature to make the world a better place than see atheism try to build a new society.
@@leeman2177 Where is that in the Quran?
@@fredricthomas6654 he is a phony.
She has an extreme interruption problem, she would rather do anything other than listen to you respond to her. Even when you were responding, she kept talking and conflating non-issues with nearby people of the crowd. I pray God softens her heart.
she's trying to argue her way into accepting her own delusions
Peace be unto you in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ!🙏🏼
Christ is a title, not a name.
Cliffe was SOOOO patient with that first girl... Well done Cliffe. God bless you mate.
There’s only one TINY little problem with what you wrote above, Sir.☝️
There has never been, nor will there ever be, even the SLIGHTEST shred of evidence for the existence of the Godhead, that is, a Supreme Person or Deity.
It is high time for humanity to awaken from all INANE superstitions such as the belief in a Personal God which created the Universe, would you not agree, Slave? 😩
@@TheWorldTeacher it’s better to be a slave to a loving master than to think all morality is relative. You can justify any action if it’s relative as his example with the Nazi trials
@@mathnico1, that is rather PRESUMPTUOUS of you, wouldn’t you agree, Slave?
Presumption is evil, because when one is PRESUMPTUOUS, one makes a judgement about a matter, despite having insufficient facts to support one’s position.
@@TheWorldTeacher and what's your position again? Prove it for us, oh enlightened one.
@@spartangrace117, I am your lord, your god, and your MASTER.
Therefore, whenever you send me a message or a comment, it is IMPERATIVE that you address me accordingly.
E.g. “How are you, Master?”
Is that understood, SLAVE?
“People said they have seen UFOs so does that make it true?”
Okay are they willing to DIE, that they saw the ufo? Like come on how hard is that
It's only true in the context of the story. The characters in the story were willing to die, there's no evidence that it actually happened.
The Bible is not evidence, it's the claim. It's not evidence for the same reason the Bhagavad gita is not evidence that Krishna exists, and the Qur'an is not evidence that Muhammad flew to heaven on a winged horse.
I don't trust adults who believe the magic in the Bible is true.
@Chimpanzee that I was an atheist who grew up in China，The God of Bible save me from the evil spirit attack and healed me from very serious health crisis , both times are miracles, If you are willing to know the the Creator, you can ask the Creator to give you a sign and give you a chance to know the truth, but please pray with humility
She just couldnt get it
I already know the truth. We were not created. Our evolution has been proven since 2003 when the Human Genome Project was completed.
It's possible that a deity exists, but we were not created in our present state.
Can you imagine this happening on a University campus in the United States in the year 2021? This would be considered hate by the folks that run the universities today.
These videos have helped me so much. Thank you, and God bless you and your family.
How?
Kid in black did the best in arguing with you from what I've seen in about 50 videos.
Thank you Cliffe. I watch your videos day and night. Your logic and philosophy are so beautifully designed and articulated. God bless you. Thank you for teaching me so much and giving me evidence and facts to back up the fact that our lord Jesus Christ is and was who he said and claimed to be. You’ve truly changed my mindset and way of thinking for the better. God bless.
putting this comment here to remind you to watch some of his videos if you haven’t in a while 🫡
The love argument is a great one.
You actually had those boys in a corner with the $1000 a week example.
The guy said "it's a different stimulus" as in "I would feel differently because a new factor had been introduced in the relationship."
But there is no new factor. Either that girl is being motivated by the biological chemicals she feels when she is around him to say "I love you" or she is being motivated by the biological chemicals she feels when she gets $1000 to say "I love you."
They are both equally unrelated to her as a person actually loving him as a person.
Please upload part 2 asap - this is very interesting !
Lee Man, what’s the evidence for allah?
@@aureliotheredeemed7566 ! ! WAKE UP ! ! New world order is here ! illuminati = Real / Christ = Real ! Mark of the beast ! = Real ! End time prophecies = Real ! RAPTURE = REAL ! ! Vaccines = Not good ! God's Earth = Stationary & Flat ! NASA means to deceive & there logo is the serpent ! (The snake in the garden of eden) Coincidence ? No! Share & watch my exposing vids :)
@Tigermansam good job detective ! - Tnx :)
@@leeman842
How is that evidence for allah?
I’m asking you what convinced you that Islam is the true way to God.
@@leeman842
How do you know God is objectively good?
Una voz que clama en el desierto..., la abundancia de letras ha resecado el espíritu
Did the entire Michigan State atheist club come out that day?
cantstop God's word Jesus was black?...are you sure....so,I guess Martin Luther king jr was white.?
@cantstop God's word
I prefer Angelo Saxon if you want to be respectful 🤷♂️
@cantstop God's word
"Arise, O God, judge the earth;
for you shall inherit ALL the nations!"
-- Psalm 82:8
@cantstop God's word
Which Jesus?
The Jesus of The Bible was Jewish.
@cantstop God's word
Some things don't take a whole lot of effort to prove.
All somebody has to do is open the Bible & the information is right there.
Two reasons I would never name my daughter Ellen : 1) Ellen DeGeneres; and 2) this Ellen.
"Love your enemy "
~ my King
I dont have another choice.
What do you have against DeGeneres?
@@TheWorldTeachershe's an asshole
We need to return to the heart instead of the intellectual mind. God wants the heart. Sometimes debating with kids and they have so much suffering and problems they can’t see unless we point them the flaws and not to overcome the wrongs they have but to let Go and let God change them.
Jesse Lee Peterson at “Rebuilding the man Bond”.
AMEN TO THAT.
@steve chu To be honest I was down that route, to say that God doesn’t exist is to say “Go suffer and die”. Look up “Rebuilding the man Bond”, it’ll give you a new perspective that most so called “Christians” who Bible Thumps will never teach because most likely they represent more of the Pharisees than what Jesus really teaches. In the end, our thoughts causes us to do wrong, become depress etc. because our heart has a sin nature, to change that we have to return to the father through Christ by the renewing of the heart and having the father’s identity. Everyone who argues “intellectually” is stuck in the mind and the loop of “suffering”, the fruit of knowledge is the cardinal mind of the world. As to why Jesus said “become like little children to enter the kingdom of God” whom are Adam and Eve before the fruit.
@@joblessboy7030 actually I follow that truth too.
Jesse doesn't believe Jesus was God...
@@cameroneagle4370 Did Jesus mind people calling him God? no. Jesus said I am the son of God. Jesse believe he is the son of God which is enough. Jesus said as long as our heart is pure, we will know the truth instead of fighting among ourselves.
John 14:11 "Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake."
Its the heart that God wants but Christians keep fighting among themselves by identifications and denominations which turn people away from the simple reality.
God bless you Cliffe
The mouse analogy is genius
Yes, I loved that, too. I'm going to use that, actually, in my debates. Very apt.
@@leeman842 Because Allah is the greatest deceiver according to the Quran. Why would I have faith in someone who takes pride in their ability to lie to people?
@@leeman842 who’s Allah what’s Allah??
@@leeman842 and remember Moses wrote about Jesus Christ not Allah! Again who’s allah what’s allah??
@@Malhaloc "Because Allah is the greatest deceiver according to the Quran. Why would I have faith in someone who takes pride in their ability to lie to people?"
That's a good question. Why would you believe in a god who deceives people?
And the Lord said, 'Who will entice Ahab so that he will go up and fall in Ramoth-Gilead?' One said in this manner and another one said in that manner.
And a certain spirit came forth and stood before the Lord and said, 'I will entice him,' and the Lord said to him 'How?'
And he said, 'I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And He said, 'You will entice and you will prevail. Go forth and do so.'
Book of 1 Kings, chapter 22. God sanctions this spirit's intention of deceiving Ahab by suggesting lies to his diviners. God says: "Sure, go ahead."
John 7:8
Jesus (supposedly) said: "You go up to the feast. I am not going up to this feast, for My time has not yet been fulfilled."
John 7:13
However, when His brothers had gone up to the feast, then He also went up..
Wouldn't that constitute a lie? "You guys go, I don't feel like coming, I'ma stay here, have fun!" - Goes anyway. Want another one?
In Genesis 12 Abraham is traveling to Egypt, and he says this to Sarah:
"Behold now I know that you are a woman of fair appearance, and it will come to pass when the Egyptians see you, that they will say, 'This is his wife!' And they will slay me and let you live. Please say that you are my sister, in order that it go well with me because of you, and that my soul may live because of you."
Later on: And Pharaoh summoned Abram, and he said, "What is this that you have done to me? Why did you not tell me that she was your wife? Why did you say, 'She is my sister,' so that I took her to myself for a wife? And now, here is your wife; take her and go."
So if you have a problem with lying, then from the Bible, we have a prophet of God telling his wife to lie, Jesus himself lying, and the God of the Old Testament giving a lying spirit the green light. So what about the Qur'an? Does God in the Qur'an boast about being the best of those who deceive?
No. The word used in the verses you're referring to is "planning" and "planners", and it does not mean "deceiver". It can acquire the meaning of "plotting" if the context allows for it. So if you're planning something with bad intentions, then we would translate that Arabic to mean "plotting", but if the intention is good, then you just render it as "planning". What the Qur'an is saying that the enemies of prophets plotted against the prophets, but God is the best of those who plan, and that's referring to divine predestination. In other words, while these wicked people plotted against God's prophets, God had already predestined that they would fail in their attempts to kill those prophets. Hence; God is the best of planners. You need to read what it's saying. If we translate that word to mean "deceive", then the same word is used when describing what the enemies of the prophets were doing. So were they trying to deceive those prophets? No, they were making plans to get them killed. They weren't trying to trick them, they wanted to murder them.
Woah. He really got delirious in this one. That was really fun watching him break down. A literal crazy man. “If you can’t repeat Lincoln’s assassination in Calcutta India then it never happened “ what the fuck
I realise how hard it is for them to understand what they believe in. Because Cliff is only pointing out the deep meaning of what they truly believe as atheists and the absurdity of it.
These walls that Satan has built into their minds really need ot be shaken and apologetics is the weapon for it, and the Gospel is the eye opening tool to see God.
How do you know the Christian God is good ?
@@jasonnoble7814 He judges evil, He created beauty, He sacrificed Himself for us while we were enemies. He gives goods to good and evil people, He is patient, merciful and wise.
@@christianpetrov5415
That's not a knowledge demonstration. That's preaching to which anyone can do about any claimed God.
How do you know, not what do you claim knowledge of? How do you know?
@@jasonnoble7814 You can't tell anything about any God by yourself and speaking from your own.. The Bible is written for a period of 1400years by more than 40authors.. They all claim to have seen or heard the same God in different centuries appart. The last time He spoke was 2000years ago in Jesus (God among men). And only from that knowledge I can trust that all of what God did was good since He died for us meanwhile He could have destroyed us with no mercy.
By His actions which He did in a different period of our time, we can conclude, that God is good. And by own experience I can say I feel His love through the Spirit He gives to those who believe.
@@christianpetrov5415
What method will prove these claims of yours to be true?
The word of God convicts people to change. All humans dislike change because for God’s word and God’s sense to get to us, it must first expose us to ourselves. How wrong we’ve been. It is convinient for us to deny this, because the moment we open our minds and accept it as truth, we will have to deal with our pride that told us otherwise, deal with change, deal with people. Not to mention these old thoughts that benefit the flesh. God causes a change in us, it changes the heart but us humans, we dislike change so much we rather be comfortably stubborn and stagnant in our way of thinking, in our way of life. The word of God gives intellectual freedom!
What do you mean by the phrase "word of God"?
Praise JESUS, the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Yes. Amen
@@lolikitsune3733
James 4:8 - Draw near to God and he will draw near to you.
Empty assertions.
Young lady at the beginning says "we saw the bullet in President Lincoln's head". Well, she personally did not but eye witnesses did and perhaps took a photo and wrote some stuff down. OK, so what does that mean?
We stop believing in written history because there were no photographs beyond a certain time in the past?!
She correctly states that there are multiple disciplines that fall under the umbrella of science and that's fine. One of those is the Textual Criticism methods which historians use and philosophers (in this case, of theology) comment on, that help to verify how believable a historical account (not the actual material the text is written on but the text itself) really is.
The Bible has gone through this process - very successfully - several times over. Just read the work of Gary Habermass, William Lane Craig, Mike Licona and Bart Ehrman - the last being an atheist) and more. They will ALL tell you the same thing about the Bible.
@@leeman842
Still trolling this channel looking for a fight - and then stepping out when the facts are revealed about your twisted and bloody faith? _Of course you are!_ Why? 'Cause you got nothing better to do, that's why. You're probably not even a Muslim yourself! [smh]
@@jessebryant9233 yes and Tom has posted a few times.
@@leeman842
Actually, the God of the Bible knows what the sadistic and evil regime that is Islam conceals and reveals. We all know it. The evidence is overwhelming. So just keep on copying and pasting since you have no argument. Whatever.
Cliffe 3:50: "...that gives tremendous credibility" The student: "no it doesnt". Somehow she fails to grasp this incredibly easy to understand point.
She's right. If someone wrote "in 1776 a spaceship landed in Philadelphia, 1000 people saw it and were all willing to die rather than renounce their observation," does that mean a spaceship landed in Philadelphia? Or that a creative writer made it up?
@@gaetanomaximus8650 "she is right" to interrupt the other , to answer for her question, to try not understand what the other say and consider with her pre-concept 😂... unbelievable intelligent....
The only problem is with your spaceship imagination in Philadelphia that has never been recorded anywhere apart from here at the You Tube comment section.
The apostles who before died at least , they wrote down they eye witness testimony about Jesus.
You can check those in the dead scrolls as historical evidence and put next to your imagination in Philadelphia.
There is in the Bible as well Matthew, Mark ,Luke, John,Peter, Paul ....
You have never ever will find anyone, I mean only one person who is willing to die for a liar. It's impossible just think about it.
These kind of examples 'spaceship' just all assumptions to denied the truth.
As you will see this comment in your notification , that means Jesus calls you for repentance.
God Bless you with His Mercy & Truth 🤍🤍🙏
What??? they have convinced him that science has figured out the origin of life, while nothing could be further from the truth!
3:03 the girl didn't listen to anything regarding people dying for what they claimed to have seen.
no one is going to be willing to die for something they think they may have seen (UFOs...people may think they have seen UFO) but the disciples of Jesus don't think they saw Jesus ressurected from the dead, they lived and acted as if they knew he did, not just think, they lived as though they saw him crystal clear and one of them (thomas) even claimed to have touched him and then called him God. they died for something that they know they saw as reality, not just some thought or vision they THINK they may have had
claiming the historical ressurection to be just about the same as someone claiming that they think they may have seen a UFO is not even close to what the disciples of Jesus claimed
HOW did you come to conclude anyone died for their belief that this Jesus supposedly arose from death?
@@theoskeptomai2535 becuase it wasn't what they believed, it was what they saw that changed the course of christianity. the disciples after Jesus died were filled with doubt and the most famous of these doubters was "doubting thomas" and then Jesus came to him (not in a dream or vision) but literally came to him because all the disciples were there as well, and thomas said, "my Lord my God". ever since then thomas went preaching the gospel in India and died by a spear.
@@albertjames804 Who, exactly, witnessed this resuurection?
@@theoskeptomai2535 I'm not saying they literally watched him get up from his tomb and walk out. im saying after he died and rose again, Jesus appeared to them physically and his disciples saw him and the famous doubter "doubting Thomas" believed only after he saw. because according to the bible, thomas even said, "unless i see him, i will not believe" and that is when Jesus appears to him and says some other stuff.
point being most of the disciples saw him one time and then thomas saw him another time
@@albertjames804 Who, exactly, witnessed a resurrected Jesus? Start with ONE person. I am not interested in your unfounded claims, nor do I want to hear you preach. I want you to simply provide the identity of one person who witnessed a resurrected Jesus. Please provide the identity.
When in history have people been willing to die for a lie, especially when it was so easy for the disciples to dodge the questions and run for their lives? Even the Nazis abandoned Hitler, especially after the war when they saw their stupidity. That's the closest I can come to a historical case (not scientific) but that's it and it crashed and burned right after the war, especially.
Me personally, I'd be pretty unwilling to die even for something that I knew was 100% true. I probably wouldn't lay down my life just to defend 2+2 being 4. It would have to be some incredible supernatural occurrence to convince someone to die like that.
Right on Billy.
@steve chu we have been down this road before and you take out of context and am not intellectually honest.
Cliff is a joke Condescending
Lol
God bless you Cliffe ❤️
cliffe you're awesome i love your vids. Im alittle suprised u didnt explain to him that what he was describing was a fallacious argument called 'God of the gaps'. I think the conversation would have benefited from going into a little more detail. I like your analogy of the piano player.
@@leeman2177 what context is this in? why'd you say this?
People forget that the reason we believe is because God spoke. But best wishes to Cliff.
I wonder what happens when their parents say i love you to him and he responds with its only the chemicals making you say that and vice versa
live out what you believe
"No it doesn't! But that's just because I'm saying it."
Gotta love youth.
In the beginning, God made us in his image, like and the character!
To have dominion over the earth and rule over everything.
Then we fail to obey God one rule to maintain our God-like ability.
Not to mix the good and the bad as it gonna cause chaos as knows the consequences of it is better for him to leave that part to himself to handle it!
But no! we break the law and when the consequence of our actions come about, we blame God and deny him at the same time other than ourselves.
We call that in real life and moment a complete ignorant of what we are doing.
Jesus begged his father to forgive us on the cross for we don't know what we are doing.
I pray for these university kids to find purposes in life through God's grace rather than themself as our self always lead to chaos!
Amen.
Love the way you put it that we were once "God-like", too.
I'd not considered it like that and it makes a great deal of sense that humans should not have "mixed" good and evil deeds together, to form the chaos we live in today.
That's really elegantly and logically put - thank you for sharing.
@@thecloudtherapist
Appreciate the compliment response!
My late father has always told us that the accuser of God cannot stand the fact that his/our maker says, let us make man in our image, like and character, let alone putting his hands on the dirt and breath his breath to our nostrils, to imagine the covetous emotion running through the veins of those were just created by words, to raise the question why we were created in that special way and given a kingdom to govern as God?
Needless to say, it must have been hard to swallow, for some!
It must have been why Jesus meant that the spirit in us is superior to anything existing in the universe for Gods breath was directly breathed at us rather than say so!
I always come back to that conclusion when battling with the question of why God bothered with our filthy selfishness as my earthly father analysed God's words.
It breaks my soul when I see the situation through God's eyes what Lucifer has become due to self brightness and hunger for his father's position to rule!
And we wanted to be God when we were created to be God as him and we believe the accuser that there is more!
And the only way for our Father to redeem us to our glory to reunite us all is for him through Jesus to put on the real fallen flesh so we can devour, whipped, spat upon and hung up on the tree to break our heart to see the truth that all of us is part of him as Jesus Christ and the spirit!
And only our Unity as God can defeat the accusers powerful attributes!
@@leeman842
It's a perfect situation for the accuser and his demons to infuse their lethal dosages of deceptions to blind as many souls of God from him.
But, we must be careful that God created us all!
And the answer is only the spirit of God can defeat both the spiritual and worldly entities.
As simple it may sound, it's very complicated for our fallen flesh to chart out Gods means for us to solve the puzzles due to our connections to transgressions.
With our fallen nature, God has only given Jesus as a beacon for us to understand the Godly power of choice he has given to us as a token of his grace and constant love for his special creation "human"!
With that said, I guess we must pray for our enemies and see them through, God's spirits to grasp the way he operates in every situation rather than relying on ourselves...
I'd come to a conclusion observing my God-fearing earthly father in action. Constantly searching for God's way to solve the problems.
Always everything deduced to love in his whole life.
My old man has diverted thousands of souls to God with what we called a random act of compassion.
Mowing the Nabours lawns, helping a friend in shortage and need. Offering food to the poor, donating the most treasured goods that we don't need, hugging a stranger when seems down around him, visiting the hospital when he has spare time, listening to the lost soul's complaints, and praying for the sins of the whole world to be forgiven in a daily basis!
I believe if only I could understand 2% of how my old man loves God with all he has, I could be a better-fallen man and grow from there closer to God.
Our mother often on the verge of denying God the way my old man loves God.
He always pulled out this line that sends a chill down our spines including our mother:
Be careful with what you treasured in your hearts as there no place there for garbage, but God's spirit to dwell on and operate for the goodness of love!
The garbage dumpster is where the garbage belongs!🤭
Anyways, I had come to understand that I have been filling my heart with garbages of this material world with little space for God spirit to work with me.
For me, it's a daily internal conflict to separate from myself and dwell with the spirit of God to direct me hence my comments it's very complicated to see both God's grace meantime sarcophagus by the chaotic nature of the Devil in us!
And conjecture, is a big part of our hypothetical chaotic life!
Nice talking to your Lee. May God bless you in all that you do!
Cheers!
@cantstop God's word
Very powerful scripture, that Chapter.
God be the Glory.
Cheers for that.
If ever I have seen the definition of God hardening the heart of someone, it is in beginning of this video. I hope it softens.
WHEN WE GO HOME, WE WILL REJOICE WITH THE FATHER, CHRIST, THE HOLY SPIRIT AND ALL THE ANGELS.
Prove it
@@jasonnoble7814 since you came onto my feet or thread I will answer you prove to me that you're not a I prove to me that you're really so named Jason Noble as a human being or acts like a human being sometimes!
@@godislove363
I invited you to Facebook live with me long long time ago bud. We could do a zoom meeting if you want my fellow human 😉
@@jasonnoble7814 first of all Jason I don't want to dialogue with you because you're not honest second of all if you pay attention for the last year or whatever it's been 6-8 months I told you I don't have for use Facebook.
@@godislove363
You don't want to dialogue with me but you continue to ask me questions. I allowed you to face me on real-time to prove to you I exist. But you don't do Facebook so I suggested a zoom meeting. Are you now going to complain I can't demonstrate I exist because you do not do zoom meetings?
Admit I have presented enough evidence for you to believe I exist by proposing we meet live online.Just do the zoom meet and that should be enough evidence for you. It would be for me Sir. Why you refuse is your problem.
You challenged me to prove I exist but you refuse to meet me.
I'm going to conclude you agree I exist🤷♂️but are unwilling to admit it .
Goodness gracious that whole conversation with Ellen, I assume that is her name, was maddening! She was completely missing the point. Whether on purpose or not, I don't know. But, holy smokes!
I can't tell you how many times I slapped the table I'm sitting at during this video. I don't know why people have a hard time grasping certain things
Love is the keeping of the Commandments ,
Amen to that.
God is love (see 1John 4:7-8 in the King James Bible).
@cantstop God's word sorry that you are misinformed and taking things out of context.
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 a cult of one.
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 I know that I'm a Hebrew Israelite, here in this society, I am considered a so called Black man, this Black Hebrew.
We are not wet bags of chemistry! If we were madder created by nothing which is the life comes from non life argument. We would not even be able to think or converse let alone do science! If we were just put together by reflexive action and lived by reflexive action we would not be human! There is no such thing as in historical scientific truth. They are two separate lines of knowledge.
“The way you’re created” hm.. I thought God didn’t exist 😏 Jesus lives forever and ever despite what we think
Unlikely
@@jasonnoble7814 Do you hope you are right? That there is no God and all who believe there is a God are simply irrational. And if there is no God why should I care what you think or how you feel? You're just an insignificant bag of chemicals just like me if there is no God. But I really wanna know how you think, it's so intriguing.
@@spartangrace117
Which God ?
I could see myself hoping Aphrodite is my God.
Belief isn't a choice, one is either convinced something is true or your not.
Hoping a God exists does nothing to the question.
We live in a social construct that has evolved survival attributes. If you want to survive you should listen to others and take into account their beliefs.
It's a false dichotomy to claim all we are without God is “insignificant”
Do you believe that a omnipotent omniscient omnibenevolent God could create beings that do evil ?
If so how ?
@@jasonnoble7814 You're talented at evasion. There are quite a few claims you make, friend. But what's the evidence you are right? Because from where I'm standing all I see are opinions.
@@spartangrace117
Ok Good
We can get to your evasion assertion and my claims after you answer my questions
Brian Keating, an *astrophysicist* explains the boundaries and applications of *scientific and philosophical knowledge* in a short video which he posted today (April 5th 2021) on the *PRAGER-U* TH-cam channel.
Elen open your heart ,not your mind😔
@cantstop God's word ! ! WAKE UP ! ! New world order is here ! illuminati = Real / Christ = Real ! Mark of the beast ! = Real ! End time prophecies = Real ! RAPTURE = REAL ! ! Vaccines = Not good ! God's Earth = Stationary & Flat ! NASA means to deceive & there logo is the serpent ! (The snake in the garden of eden) Coincidence ? No! Share & watch my exposing vids :)
She needs to open her mind too 😉
@@Unique_Monk
Lol
How ?
@@michaeljackson8390 There’s only one TINY little problem with what you wrote above, Sir.☝️
There has never been, nor will there ever be, even the SLIGHTEST shred of evidence for the existence of the Godhead, that is, a Supreme Person or Deity.
It is high time for humanity to awaken from all INANE superstitions such as the belief in a Personal God which created the Universe, would you not agree, Slave? 😩
The Judment to say just have two kids was eye opening..
She won't shut up 🤦
She literally just kept talking and didn’t listen 🤦🏽♂️😂
@@michaelduckett7726, your false accusation just shows how LITTLE you listened, Mikey Boy. :p
@@TheWorldTeacher cool
I find it amazing how lost these college kids are, what is going to happen to them and the generation that follows, this man take it up on himself to save souls and they refuses to listen to his teaching on the Bible, please read JAMES 5;20, and may GOD mercy be on them.
Guy on the bike: The "God did it" rhetoric is getting tired and old. Atheists really need to move on from this. NO ONE is saying that we stop doing science or searching for the truth, just because we perceive of a powerful entity exists that could reasonably well be responsible for the order we see in the universe.
We can still explore the magnificence of this universe and push back the boundaries of our knowledge, with the full confidence that the very reason why it is discoverable is because it does follow a design order and we humans have the same (albeit infinitely reduced) faculty as it's designer.
So gravity can still be measured in a distant galaxy, if we ever get there, in the same way as we measure/detect/monitor it in our solar system. That's consistency - that's design.
Science can carry on telling us HOW and religion can carry on telling us WHY.
You are assuming there is a why
@@marco_mate5181 there is a why.
@@godislove363 how do you know?
@@marco_mate5181 first there my freedom of free will to believe scripture, history and archeology and it is a philosophical question.
@@godislove363 none of that explain why there is any need to have a why? Why are you assuming that there is a why? Because unless you can provide a reason, there is no why. And free will doesn't exist.
I think Mr Cliffe should have stressed that fact that the eye-witnesses were believers who have their beliefs firmly established when they saw the risen Christ with their very eyes. These believers were purposefully allowed the privilege of witnessing the resurrection so that they were willing to die for what they know to be the truth. We have read from the Gospels that the disciples were in fact a cowardly bunch, scattering when their master was captured. But that all changed after they witnessed the resurrection event, with even the "doubting Thomas" getting a feel of Jesus's wounds. They became heroic martyrs for a sure thing. Nobody, even the tightest of conspirators, would die in vain for a lie. That is powerful evidence for the truth of the resurrection.
"philosophical truths come form men" right, scientific truths come from aliens? Also MEN DUDE
Luke 11:34
The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness.
JESUS IS LORD!
Prove it liar
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416
Yes
It must be a desperate situation for Christians like yourself who are willing to surrender intellectual honestly to the point of believing Jesus Christ died for three days and then was resurrected?
How does one come to believe a religion is true?
Is it fear of death?
Your subjective Unjust suffering?
Community?
Sense of righteousness?
Indoctrination at a young age?
That ^ seems to be the most popular answer.
What could be the catalyst that makes a Christian?
Could we say the Holy Spirit?
Something we can not reasonably prove exists ?
A metaphorically true ideology that's a factually false proposition that desperate suffering people receive comfort from?
What could the answer be? 🤔
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 yes, he needs a 🍭.
The girl made some good points at or around the five minute mark, and I don’t think Clifferesponded very well.
You can scientifically prove Abraham Lincoln was murdered according to the girl 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
! ! WAKE UP ! ! New world order is here ! illuminati = Real / Christ = Real ! Mark of the beast ! = Real ! End time prophecies = Real ! RAPTURE = REAL ! ! Vaccines = Not good ! God's Earth = Stationary & Flat ! NASA means to deceive & there logo is the serpent ! (The snake in the garden of eden) Coincidence ? No! Share & watch my exposing vids :)
@@michaeljackson8390 i dont understand how the NASA logo looks like a serpent, can you explain that?
Love Cliffe, but I don't know why he doesn't hit people with Thomas Aquinas' principles. I mean, the dude described thermodynamics 500 years or so before the term was coined...
This video. proves human behavior is predictable. History and the bible is proof.
7:20 "what the heck are you talking about man, this is ridiculous now" THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SAYING to the preposterous objections of the risen Christ
cliff says, "maybe they threw a can of blood on him" and she says that is ridiculous
but she would say the same equivalent thing about christ, like "maybe they stole his body...maybe they lied"
its amazing how she doesn't see the equivalency of it, and she also says history can be scientifically proven and she gives historical evidence for it and call it science...that right there is what you get when you go to college, some college courses make you stupider than you were before you went.
And HOW did you conclude that this Jesus rose from the dead?
@@theoskeptomai2535 Jesus rising from the dead as it is written is definitely a claim i understand that, i get that it isn't evidence.
what i do consider evidence for this claim is how this phenomena in history affected the way the disciples of Jesus especially saul of tarsus (later through his radical conversion) became Paul...how their lives were forever changed by something they SAW, not something they believed but by what they SAW. dying for something you know you saw, verses something you believe in is totally and completely different. dying for something you believe in...someone may still have a few little or big doubts in their mind about why they belive what they believe when they have to be willing to DIE for that belief. but dieing for what you know you saw, and you confirm that it isnt just a blurred vision or something is far different.
there is quite literally no question in your mind that what you saw and what you felt is FREAKING real, and true. and that is exactly what the disciples did and went through, including paul.
they died for what they saw, (a risen Jesus christ) and they were willing to go through the hardest trails of torture for what they saw and also believed. there isn't single person in the world...PAST, PRESENT, or future who would be willing to die for something that they themselves knew to be a lie.
there is a lot more, than just this. but this is the idea of why i know Jesus rose from the dead, I don't just believe it...I KNOW HE DID. because if Jesus didn't rise from the dead, then Jesus lied about who he was and his revolution would have stayed dead with him. so many people think his teaching and whatever else are just ideas that could survive even if Jesus died and stayed dead, but no they can't. Jesus is not the founder of a religion, he is the promise of the new covenant with God that He fullfilled
I’m torn. I appreciate that these dialogues happen.
But I vehemently disagree;
And many of the arguments presented here as evidence for the existence of a god are done so in a less than honest manner.
If any atheist are watching these videos we have to question why they are even watching this if they don’t believe in this
We ask that every video most answers you would not like.
because it's a fascinating subject Young Eli, I was raised to believe the Bible was true, but as I've gotten older, I have realized that all is not as it seems regarding this idea of a Christian God, history is full of civilizations believing in all kinds of Gods all over the world, if you lived in ancient Egypt, you would almost certainly believe in the Egyptian Gods of the time... look at the pyramids they built to worship them. The same can be said of civilizations on virtually every continent. Humans look for answers for things they cannot explain, and invariably they come up with Gods. The more we discover about ourselves, our planet, and beyond, the less these Gods seem to be of relevance.
@@bonnie43uk We can discover as much as we want about ourselves, the planets, etc but that doesn’t stop the question what is beyond us thats creating this universe to occur which we relate to as God, the creation itself cannot explain how it was created meaning science cannot reverse engineer every aspect of the universe only parts that involve a physical nature & still doesn’t explain why you come here and watch these videos if the idea of God is becoming less relevant to you
@@bonnie43uk i study most of the hard sciences and it all points me back to a higher designer then myself so until you can explain to me where RNA/DNA came from to create life idk how I could accept what your saying to me because obviously you haven’t looked deeper enough into the planets, the stars, yourself, or the universe if u think this highly designed phenomena is just happening without cause 🌌🧬
@@YoungEli9 No one is saying the universe came out of nothing, ... science is a slow process of finding out the hows, why's and wherefores. It doesn't have an ultimate goal as such, there will always be another corner that we haven't been down and want to find out what is around that corner so to speak 😊
Thank you!
She was so repetitive I thought I was rewinding.
if you do not put every word equal to opposite upon a spectral ball you will not see what The Bible is truly saying. Light/life at the top, darkness/death at the bottom, order within the lightest shade of dark and balance within the lightest shade of light, you will start seeing why God placed this grain of light within the darkness as we all have a grain of faith and the more you seek, the light/faith will grow.
Has every one forgotten Evolution is still just a theory and not scientific fact?
I try telling others that but Satan works hard to deceive and most think scientific theory is different from just theory. Yes I know sad and lame.
Nobody has forgotten that because it is entirely foolish. Evolution, including biological evolution is a fact.
"Evolution is still a theory and not a scientific fact."
Evolution is a process, not a theory. Evolution is simply the process of change over time. Each and every current phenomenon is in a process of change at any given moment.
And this process of evolution includes biological life forms. Biological evolution is a thoroughly established, undeniable fact. And the explanation that best explains the diversity of lifeforms and the process of speciation, agreed upon by the entire biological society, comes about by means of natural selection.
I can tell by your idiotic statement (That is why it is called the "theory of evolution") that you have no idea the meaning of 'Theory' as used within the scientific societies. Again, you have demonstrated your idiocy, for you cannot comprehend that the use of the term is not the one of common vernacular to mean a hypothesis, conjecture, or speculative guess. 'Theory' in science is the most criticized level of tested validity. Only the most *_proven facts,_* those able to survive the hardest scrutiny, are able to rise to the level of a theorem. Only a few dozen explanations have made it to this highest level of "Theory".
Here is a quote from the American Association for the Advancement of Science:
_A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world. The theory of biological evolution is more than "just a theory". It is as factual an explanation of the universe as the atomic theory of matter or the germ theory of disease. Our understanding of gravity is still a work in progress. But the phenomenon of gravity, like evolution, is an accepted fact._
So the next time you hear the *Theory of Evolution* you can be _assured_ that all data, records, and samples attest to the undeniable *_fact_* of evolution and that the theorem (By the Means of Natural Selection) is the current best explanation agreed to by the scientific community.
You just made the single most common mistake regarding scientific terminology. This will take me some time to type out so please do me the honour of at least reading it.
A scientific theory is not the same as a theory in the colloquial sense of the word. What you might call a theory in everyday language is closer to a hypothesis in scientific terms.
If something has been demonstrated to be factual then it stops being a hypothesis and is elevated to the level of a theory. Theory is the highest level that something can attain in science, even higher than a scientific law.
Theory in science means the field of study. It's taken from the Greek word meaning to view something from the highest or most powerful position.
Nothing gets elevated from a hypothesis to a theory unless it is a fact. A scientific theory is the explanation for a particular subject that has already been demonstrated to be true, and has been repeatedly confirmed through observations and experiments.
The subject matter of a scientific theory is fact, the scientific theory explains why. For example:
Gravity is a fact. The Theory of Gravity explains why gravity is a fact.
Germs are a fact. The Germ Theory of Disease explains why.
Tides are a fact. The Theory of Tides explains why.
A scientific theory doesn't suddenly stop being a theory and become fact, because all scientific theories are already built on a body of facts.
And a scientific theory doesn't suddenly stop being a theory and become a scientific law, because all scientific theories already include laws. There are 4 laws of gravity, for example, and they're part of the Theory of Gravity.
It doesn't even make sense to reject a scientific theory. It's like saying that you don't believe in atoms because Atomic Theory is "just a theory".
True, but so is Christianity.
Its not because we don't know, therefore god must have exist...
Its because we knew, that's how we knew coincidence is impossible ..
The first girl's mind was caught up in a feedback loop.
Are YOU open-minded, Dick?
Happy Easter!
This generation is doomed if these brainiacs who are arguing with Cliffe cant distinguish philosophy from science. God Bless You Cliff
Very sad how far our society gone that far into madness. These are the students of our country that we trust to be in power for the future and they don't know right and wrong.
What is right?
@@TheWorldTeacher are you serious you are asking me what does right means? Are you one of them?
Right is that which conforms facts and truth.
Righteous
Upright
Good
Correct
Truth
Proper
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@@amanuelberhe4149, in your own words, define “TRUTH”. ☝️🤔☝️
That boy in minute 11:00 is conflating the God of the Gaps argument with the design argument and his conclusion was just fallacious
Loving watching these old video's. The kid on the bike at about 10 minutes makes a great point that science isn't saying it has all the answers, it's a slow process of discovery, eg: it would appear that this universe had a beginning around 13.8 billion years ago. Rather than say "God created everything" Science is simply finding out what is true, and what is not true. People are free to believe whatever they wish, but, science seems to have a pretty good track record. And when it does get something wrong, it's open to being amended and corrected. Science adjusts its view on what is observed, faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved.
We meet again bonnie, Hope life is good (except there is no such thing as good)
Rather than respond to your comment, I am going to ask you a question. (ok 2 questions lol)
You defined faith as "denial of observation so that belief can be preserved."
What if that was not the Christian definition of faith?
and if that is the case shouldn't you use the definition as stated by whoever's claim you are challenging to use their terms instead of rewriting the terms so that they are automatically wrong.
Because that is not how I define faith at all.
@@josephtattum6365 Hey Joseph, I'm good thanks, hope you are too. Yes, when I mentioned faith, it was regarding how people who believe in God are bound by their religion in lots of ways, they tend to have concepts of their God which don't change with the times. Of course, any Christian would not like their faith to be described as a 'denial of observation'. We all see things from different perspectives, I understand that. I was reading today that about 40% of Americans believe in the Genesis account of creation. Given that it's generally accepted by science that the planet is over 4 billion years old it's quite staggering to me that so many Americans believe the Bible over science.. that's where I was coming from.
Faith is one of those words that has different meanings to different people.. eg, i have faith that my apartment block will not fall down tomorrow, or that my car will start when i turn the ignition key, ... it's based on probability. Feel free to tell me your own definition of faith.
@@josephtattum6365 good job.
@@bonnie43uk Sure thing. Faith to me is: trust, assurance, confidence.
My faith in Jesus (who is the most incredible man who ever lived) has nothing to do with abandoning the evidence and just positing him as the explanation. My faith is my trust and confidence that he is going to save me because I believe I have good reason to think it is true. If the evidence is not convincing to you I understand, but it is hard for me to see how one could deny his incredible divinity.
As always a pleasure to talk with you. (Btw are you from the UK? it is in your name)
@@leeman842 are these the words of Allah? I am guessing you are Muslim. What is your evidence that Islam is true.
Where did 500 or a similar number of people testify together that they saw an alien come out of a spaceship, touch them, breath on them, eat with them, and return to space. Where do we have that same number of eye witnesses confirming the details of the alien encounter? If there is such a case, especially if it were in a country like N. Korea (a country that harms people for standing out in such a way), there would be a reason to say the experience is credible. It would then be another mater to interpret that corroborated testimony and determine if what came out of that vehicle really was an extra terrestrial organism and if the vehicle really is an interstellar vessel. These students aren't even allowing themselves to look at the account of Jesus because they are philosophically insulating themselves. Dealing with someone who is not left speechless by their Dawkins and Hitchens script leaves them with too much cognitive dissonance. You can see them hit the eject button one by one and escape from the matter at hand.
This girl, Ellen is unaware of the circumstances of how the resurrection and the following events occurred.
The apostles were aware of Christ because Christ made them aware. He appeared to them. He touched them, they touched Him. He ate food. He travelled with them. He continually asked them about the events and revealed himself as the Christ.
They hid themselves from the Romans and the Jewish theocracy.
They did not try to call attention to the risen Christ.
When the truth got out, they were questioned and gave witness.
They were threatened and told they could renounce their faith or be put to death.
They did not go offer to die for the testimony.
They were so happy and amazed by the truth that they shared it with others.
That was their so called crime.
One by one they were killed for it. So were the other witnesses.
James was thrown off the pinnacle of the temple building. The highest height.
When he landed below, he wasn't dead.
So they beat him to death for his testimony.
He did not go offer his testimony to the enemies of Christ but spoke it openly.
It was a truth he saw with his own eyes and felt with his own hands.
His brother from the same mother had died on the cross and returned to this life just as He said He would and in fulfillment of the scriptures these people all knew.
James was canonized a "Saint" by the churches criteria at a later date. He was martyred for the truth.
That's just one example.
The truth in spirit flows eternally forward the body lies to the spirit and it flows eternally reverse/revere from truth, those who are stuck in the material plain will live Revelation and those who follow after the spirit find truth, what Jesus did was healed the spirit and the body. Those who seek the end in Revelations will find it and those who seek the truth in the beginning will find the veil leaving their eyes. Judgement comes to only those who judge, you have your will of creation upon all creation so judge not less ye be, judged yourself. How hard is it to say sorry and sin no more, all is forgiven, death/darkness took possession of all word, it is only his fault. Everything I've learned, I have learned on my own. I have never read the Bible till after I had my dreams with Jesus, he himself explained things to me. I explained everything in my book. Everyone has all word of creation upon them, each word has their own cell of aura, it is a firmament as this Galactic cell is the body of Christ, it has an aura and you are a word of creation within the body of Christ, you live the body of Christ and he has already died for your sins, that has enabled him as The Lord of Hosts. Within the handshake of all things, Jesus was the Body, he lived the experience of the spirit of the most high and the will of the father is the will within the body of Christ he gets to live the body of Christ with no powers, only faith, he will only present himself by the word and he stands firm with all the word. Genesis, Moses is not leading us into the book of word he is leading us out, back to the beginning. (Example) God placed a firmament between all the word and us as word have been placed within a six feet firmament caused by the corona-tion/crown lasted a year. Next is the (word was God) goes on all this year. Next year the word will start understanding these things and it will be, the (word was with God.) Next year after the word will have their full understanding of these things and God will be one with (the Word) as they are the bride to the body of Messiah, then Jesus by will, have ascended to the father, Jesus is proof that even death will experience life. (Bible says, God comes by the truth of your heart is your crown)means/corona, it is also your body and your Galactic cell upon Omega. We are the word of God and our actions are the signs of word, welcome to the corona/tion. Each sentence in the Bible is a sentence from order and each sentence is a year sentence as (1 in the beginning was the word) and (2 the word was with God) and (3 the word was God) (4 and the corona/crown has placed us as word six feet of firmament from each other.) Truth of word flows eternally forward as the distortion of truth is number, numb/cold power numb/ber. The multitudes are being taken back from death/darkness as legion is many, took everything from all the word. The light in the darkness is this grain of earth within this universal body and it is protecting all of life as you have a Galactic cell out there and this Galactic cell we are in right now is the body of Christ, you live the body of Christ within Omega as you have all word/will of creation upon you, within each cell is a throne, for all word of creation, you have your will/word of creation upon equal me/a/sure, you are a universal body, when this is over you will be shown all your action and consequence upon your Galactic realm and when trust is earnt you will claim your universal body again, within this multiverse. (universe/unity of verse/unity of word. I wrote a book it is all over the world, the book is called, The last shall be the first and the first shall be the last by Joseph Darrell Walker. If you know the Bible then you will know everything. Voices in head are not mental, think positive and legion as he is many will leave. Genesis/Moses isn't leading us into the darkness, he is walking us out of it, so read 4,3,2,1, and it will make better sense. All things fall, back to GOD, Isaiah 11;12. The more you wake people up, by that measure has woke up unto you so speak truth to the fullest and you will find faith walking within you. whizbuzzbooks.com/the-last-shall-be-the-first-and-the-first-shall-be-the-last-joseph-darrell-walker/ ;iug
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Question: why can’t a creative being use a Big Bang to bring about the design of the universe as the catalyst to their design?
No reason why not. The big bang happened regardless of whether God exists or not.
There is nothing about it that precludes or disproves the existence of God. You could choose to believe that God made it happen if you want.
Cliffe has other videos where he accepts evolution could be how God created man.
Paraphrasing: “the Bible doesn’t describe HOW God created man, just that he did.”
This was uploaded 3 days ago. Anyone know if this clip is actually from 3 days ago or just uploaded now and from many years ago?
This is minimum 15 years old video... I think.
@@jominksimon9296 oh wow lol nvm damn
Science can NEVER answer the question “should I be honest about my results that I find when I do science?” So science is not the be all end all.
This lady doesn’t get it…. It’s got nothing to do with science. Cliffe you are the best
So I’m a Christian but the girl is actually right… being a martyr is not proof… While I believe in the historic account of Jesus and I think that is the important part that proves the life of Jesus, just being a martyr doesn’t make it true… there’s been religious like cults where people die for what they believe that’s missing historical evidence that their god or leader was divine and yet if you just looked at their death as proof you’d have to say they were divine just bc people died for their belief… I know I might not have explained perfect but I actually agree with the first girl and I think Cliffe made a pretty bad argument though I agree with most everything else
People are still dying today for Christ and for the belief in Christ! If I saw something and I know I saw it I'm not going to lie to say I didn't see it. So what follows would be my death or imprisonment. People aren't willing to die for a lie and they were also not willing to lie to live if they truly saw something!
The New Age thinker are swayed towards Atheism not because they are really convinced by Atheist theories, but rather, it is because it fits their desires to be able to do whatever they want ("do as thou will") without the worry of an eternal consequence. If you take GOD out of the picture, then there can be no thought of accountability. They just want to WHATEVER they please, but know that if they admit JESUS is true and GOD is real, then they are confronted with needing to repent. And that is their viewpoints are so inconsistent and intellectually dishonest.
People refuse to accept the fact that people died for what they saw (the resurrection), but believe in a digital drawing of a planet that some people in white drawn. You haven't seen those planets, why do you believe they exist? Scientists could be lying-
What about those who believe and a lie and have died for it. For example buddha they die for a lie. But does this verify that buddha is in fact true?
You can't break Everybody, people die for a cause even though it's a lie Freemasons do it all the time.
They died for what they saw not what they believed
Very different
@@bhumble8429 how is that different, they believed in their cause The desciples believed in what they knew to be the Truth, just like I do, I know Yahaushau to be the Truth,
@@Blackhebrew01 They died for what they said they saw not what they believed. It's different because while I believe in Jesus, I haven't seen him. There were those who saw him and did not believe. The two are not the same. The apostles were not saying "We will die for this because we believe these events took place." They were saying "We will die for this because we were there, we saw it, it is fact."
The bible is the truth.
Let me give you an advice. Do not try convince them by giving them the historical evidence. But Challenge them to pray and see the results. I am from Greece and in the areas i was living we see miracles in our churches. That is a wrong way of approaching young people.
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 yes he doesn't realize we're all part of God's family Christ in C skin color it's people like us to have and to know that he realize that the better.
@cantstop God's word
@saint paul
Yeah he's got something weird going on same call I don't know if he's been brainwashed I don't know if he's doing this to play games I don't know if he has some cult leader that's really gotten screwed up this weird.
@cantstop God's word first of all I post a lot of scripture you just choose not to pay attention second of all you don't always have to post scripture it's not the scripture is the interpretation understanding and belief in that scripture and how you carry it if you use it to your own devices for Eagle that's wrong if you don't know how to interpret it that is wrong. Leave your cult man leave your cult.
@cantstop God's word Your Leader is either a human posing as a false Messiah or Satan is your false Messiah.
Mr Cliff do ask them if they read the bible to prove or not the signs of time. That was written by men and inspired by God in the last days are taking place as we breath. Just to let them know that history is predicting and is happening right know.
Notice everything else is not debated except Christ simply because Christ INTERFERS with the lifestyle of thier choice . They simply cannot admit that all the evidence in the universe will not be enough because they are not interested in evidence they are seeking to disprove so they can relax and enjoy the pleasures that sin brings ..it's the REAL issue every other belief is convenient which is why they will NOT dispute those beliefs !
Wow….I just realized I’m so dumb Where I can’t explain the world around me so I default to God. I’m glad I got that cleared up by these kids.
If you can’t explain the world around you, do the necessary research and come to your conclusion based on comparing the different sources 🤷🏽♂️
Someone willing to die for a cause he truly feels is worth dying for won't make said cause to be truthful. Second, if you believe in science, what do you have to say about evolution? Do you believe in it or not? Or animals were just brought to earth the way they are today?
Am I the only one who is extremely aggravated by the ignorance combined with arrogance of these kids? They have zero humility. They almost never let Cliffe finish a sentence before they interrupt with "but...." They don't seem to know how to THINK LOGICALLY or stay in touch with reality. They seem completely brainwashed, like they've only learned to accept and believe whatever their atheist professors tell them. They seem to think they are engaging in an honest debate while they listen to nothing, regurgitate idiotic statements of atheist philosophy that they've never stopped to think about, and they somehow think they are winning an argument. It's insane.
The first student isn't thinking clearly, and nor is she listening or being reasonable. There are a lot of things which cannot be scientifically proven. In fact, historical knowledge and scientific knowledge, as wonderful as they both are, they are not interchangeable.
Strange, I see the messages are back.
Clifford...no one ever saw your Jesus rise from the dead. Period.
Nothing stands further away from scientific proof than a celestial wizard who shook the universe out of his sleeve, at least that’s for sure :)
As a genuine seeker of truth I wonder if there are any kind-hearted people on here willing to answer two questions. (totally unrelated to this video.) A few things that confuse me about Jesus teaching.
1. Maybe I am reading it wrong but Jesus on occasion seems to imply that the "unrighteous" will be separated from him at the judgment. He seems to insinuate that the unrighteous are people who do not obey him. If that is the case then I am pretty sure I am one of those people, and I would imagine everyone else, BBBUUUUT then in other places (like prodigal son) he talks about accepting his unrighteous son back home despite all he did. THEN he turns and says that the Pharisees even though they did what was righteous were still not "righteous". He wants us to obey him then calls obedience "filthy rags".
The question is: Does it matter what we do or not? It is very confusing. (sorry I know the was long)
2. (somewhat related) Why don't (maybe they do) evangelical Christians accept miracle stories recorded in ancient non-biblical works? (I am here defining a miracle that is an act of the immaterial supernatural as the only reasonable explanation for an event) Consider the miracle of the dancing sun at Fatima (1917). This extraordinary event, which was witnessed by more than 30,000 people, was also attested to by unsympathetic, secular sources including Avelino de Almeida, a reporter who had mocked the visionaries at Fatima. She wrote in the newspaper O Século, “Before the astonished eyes of the crowd, whose aspect was biblical as they stood bare-headed, eagerly searching the sky, the sun trembled, made sudden incredible movements outside all cosmic laws-the sun ‘danced’ according to the typical expression of the people.”
Do you accept this historically attested claim of fatima and why?
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Are there any sources about (obviously not confirming because they didn't believe it) but ABOUT the miracles of Jesus life that mention it?
I am sorry if that was long but I am trying to solve these mysteries, not as a troll like most but as a seeker. Thanks.
@@leeman842 Can you elaborate I am not well versed as I should be.
The Fatima "miracle" is an excellent example of how an extraordinary claim can be taken as true, when in fact, the truth is, it is very very easily explained... try looking directly at the sun for as long as you can... when you look away, the image of the Sun will be momentarily burnt into your retina. if you look in a different part of the sky, that image will follow your gaze, and it will also change color .. this is exactly what those thousands of people claimed, .. that the sun danced in the sky, and changed color. There was also a shower, and people got wet, ... when the sun appeared again, ... guess what, .. it dried their damp clothes. No supernatural explanation needed. People have a propensity to believe what they want to believe.
@@bonnie43uk Right exactly, that is why I pose the question, I really like testing my own beliefs and assumptions. It is possible I am wrong about Jesus and I want to hear other Christians ideas on these tough questions. It isn't like we should just BLINDLY believe. If I am going to believe in someone I had better have good evidence that it is true.
We are to obey the teachings of Christ and the word of God. We are to live righteously. BUT! Jesus knows we're going to fail. That's the whole reason he went to the cross, to be a sacrifice to atone for our sins. But, as Paul wrote to the Romans, "Shall we sin now that grace may abound? God forbid!". We are not saved by our works, but through faith in Christ. But when you put that faith in Christ, you won't want to do evil works.
I'm not familiar with the Fatima miracle, but it sounds miraculous. Atheists often say that Christians just attribute anything we don't understand to God and that which we do understand to not God. Therefore, as knowledge increases about how the universe works, belief in God diminishes. It's called the God of the Gaps argument and it's false. We know lightning is not God sitting on a cloud smiting evil. Thunder is not God speaking. But, even though we know what lightning is, we still marvel at it as the work of God.
@@leeman842 that passage, I can agree with. Though our faiths are different, we can agree on that much.
It’s the same thing as testifying to a claim under penalty of perjury by signing a sworn affidavit as witnesses do in a court of law. You are willing to go to prison if what you say is false. This makes you a valid witness. Same concept of what witnesses of Jesus Christ went through but worse. What she is saying doesn’t make sense.
Good stuff
@@leeman2177 sorry Allah is the pagan moon god,thats why you go kiss a stone in mecca.
@@leeman2177 Jesus is God.
*WARNING* to the uninitiated! *BEWARE THE RESIDENT TROLLS!!*
1. BONNIE = 10 years and counting (literally)
2. STEVE CHU = mouth running naturalist
3. KORSPE6INDER = naturalist
4. LEE MAN = Muslim
5. VINNEY RAC = too busy objecting to consider the arguments
Just FYI! Engage at your own discretion!
I warned about tom and Lee as a fake Muslim.
@@leeman842
And wandering about, to and fro, is all you're doing. I guess trolling this channel is somehow a great service to Allah, as you continue to embarrass yourself by advocating for the bloody and vengeful, pedophile prophet? Clearly, there is NO peace upon him.
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 I have already challenged Lee several times on his Sabbath, the quaran abd he once said I do not know and ignored me the other times.
@@leeman842
Thanks for demonstrating the facts. Troll on Mr. Copy-and-Paste! (muted)
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 but did actually make a real comment do I asked him if he is ready to hold a conversation.
Thousands of years ago, people believed Jesus resurrected, these kids believe they are more knowledgeable than those before them.
No, thousands of years ago someone SAID that people believed Jesus was resurrected. Not the same thing.
The girl misses the point. The point is that people won't die for what they know is a lie. It's very clear.
KJV John 11:1-45
1 Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha.
2 (It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.)
3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick.
4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.
5 Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus.
6 When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was.
7 Then after that saith he to his disciples, Let us go into Judaea again.
8 His disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to stone thee; and goest thou thither again?
9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.
16 Then said Thomas, which is called Didymus, unto his fellowdisciples, Let us also go, that we may die with him.
17 Then when Jesus came, he found that he had lain in the grave four days already.
18 Now Bethany was nigh unto Jerusalem, about fifteen furlongs off:
19 And many of the Jews came to Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother.
20 Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house.
21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.
22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
28 And when she had so said, she went her way, and called Mary her sister secretly, saying, The Master is come, and calleth for thee.
29 As soon as she heard that, she arose quickly, and came unto him.
30 Now Jesus was not yet come into the town, but was in that place where Martha met him.
31 The Jews then which were with her in the house, and comforted her, when they saw Mary, that she rose up hastily and went out, followed her, saying, She goeth unto the grave to weep there.
32 Then when Mary was come where Jesus was, and saw him, she fell down at his feet, saying unto him, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.
33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled,
34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see.
35 Jesus wept.
36 Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him!
37 And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died?
38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.
39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.
40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.
45 Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on him.