Missed Detail: Don the Exiled Knight - I didn't mention that Intisar, who runs the blog This Week in Aurebesh, made the initial Reddit post that got the attention of now Game Producer Eric Musco. His post got the ball rolling into making this character a reality! You can read the blog post he made about it here: www.generic-hero.com/ThisWeekinAurabesh/2018/12/12/exiles-end/ -- After a couple of weeks in the making, the SWTOR Iceberg Explained is complete! It might not be like my usual content, but this is something I really wanted to make. I hope you all enjoy it! I tried to be as thorough as possible with each entry, but if I missed out on any details, feel free to leave a comment!
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Baras the Wide? I thought not. It's not a story the Inquisitors would tell you. It's a Warrior legend. Darth Baras was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so overweight and so wide, he could use the food to influence the calories to create fat. He had such a large appetite, he could even keep the food he ate from fully digesting. The Fat side of the Food is a pathway to many eating habits some consider to be.. Unhealthy. He became so fat, the only thing he feared was getting a heart attack. Which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he got an apprentice with an intolerable level of sass, then his apprentice trolled him into cardiac arrest. Ironic. He could keep his food from expiring. _But not himself._
i’ve been playing casually (and i play it as if it’s a single-player game lol) since 2014 and i didn’t know most of this stuff, thanks for making this !
I feel that. Been playing too since around 2017 on and off but it just has that single player story vibe for me that when I queue up with others I dont pay close attention to the story at all. Another + point for solo is that you can mess around with different dialogue choices without annoying your friend group
I have read all of the books except for annihilation. I'm planning on reading that soon. So far, every book has been amazing. Revan and Deceived are my personal favorites. If you were a big fan of the original Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic , I recommend reading Reven. Deceived is a really awesome revenge story that focuses on the Sacking of Coruscant.
on my playthru of sith warrior i made my character so alive that shes one of my all time favourite game characters. i choose to be evil to EVERY SINGLE character except vette. i got only dark side points and a few light side point that are only from vette
I didn't know most of this, this is pretty interesting. By the way, is the xp armor still a thing? And I think swtor is a lot better than wow. The scoundrel loosing his data pad joke and the elevator cult is hilarious XD Great video, have a good one!
@@The-Blue-Knight It's bound to legacy, you can't buy it. I somehow got it duped through mysterious means (seriously, I don't know why I got an extra set in the mail one day from bw), but that set doesn't have amplifiers, "only" the set bonus, while my OG set got them when amplifiers became a thing. I rolled them all to max mission rewards and as a struggling altoholic, I've used the set for like 2 dozen characters since 2016. The "dupes" are bound to legacy as well. edit: forgot to mention, you get a "victorious trailblazer" set for every character you make in a box with all the other 40+ things you accumulated as acc wide rewards over the years. Those sets weren't a thing back in the day, I'm not sure since when they have been. Those have no set bonus at all, but when you hover the box it reads they were a reward from DvL, so I'm assuming it was one of the cosmetic awards, I just forgot.
I saw a decent argument on the swtor reddit that believed the removal of the refer-a-friend is tied to the heavy inflation that game has been experiencing. The idea that fewer and fewer people buy things from the cash shop and post them on the GTN due to less CC being handed out, so gear becomes rarer and price sky rocket.
It's mainly because subscribers get everything and preferred players are not much better compared to F2P.. preferred players need more benefits that way things won't be so rare since more people are getting them.
Really nice video!! I'll admit, when I saw 48 minutes I was, oh this is too long, yet it didn't feel like it. There are several things I didn't know about the game. Thanks for making this!
I randomly found the Czerka crate a while ago. It has been sitting in my inventory and I didn't know what to do with it... didn't know it was valuable.
I don't know if there's been a comment mentioning this, but Malgus being referenced in carbonite is actually in game. During pre onslaught or during onslaught when Malgus makes a return (basically the first time you see him during that xpac), you can overhear a couple of NPCs talking about how they heard Malgus was in carbonite but that it was just a rumor. Guess it ended up being true, huh?
That Satele is much older than she looks isn't that because Jedi's could manipulate the force to make themselves live longer? Qui-gon was 60 when he died, eventhough Liam Neeson was just 46 when he shot the film. But then again, they might have changed that, since that stuff came from non-canon comics. And well, Obi-wan sure as hell didn't age slowly, he in fact might even aged a lot faster (since the timeline of the prequals where made up 15 years after then original trilogy). Well, i guess it can be explained away with "head canon" that since humans are so widespread in the galaxy, living on thousands of worlds, some humans might very well be on the verge of becoming a "sub-species" of humans with just a longer lifespann naturally. So like Qui-gon could have been from a bunch of humans who's lifespan is 150 years, making him look younger eventhough he's in his 60s.
He also shut himself off from the force for a while which could have lessened the ability to slow aging. And yeah a desert planet with TWO Suns not great skin care routine.
Before the EU got killed by Disney, they explained that constantly traveling through hyperspace slows aging, since you're moving faster than the rest of the galaxy for at least a few hours at a time.
One more thing: one one of the imperial cruisers on the fleet, you can see a sith lord talking to bounty hunters. This is a reference to Darth Vader talking to Boba Fett and other bounty hunters in the 5th movie
I nearly aspirated my coffee with that effed up C2 droid at the end of your intro. I missed launch by 3 weeks and am still salty about not having a founder title.... I play and dig into the niches of the lore so I really love this vid. Thanks for putting it together
This is a great video! I even have the collectors box and everything and played on and off since 2011 dec and didnt even know about half of this neat stuff !
I once got a Czerka O-Matic and sold it on the GTN for 1 billion credits... I could have traded it so I would lose money because of the GTN fee, but I still think it was worth it
Awesome video! On the novels- The SWTOR Novels are of varying quality. Revan is awesome. 5/5 Deceived is one of the best Star Wars books of all time. 6/5 Fatal Alliance isn't that good. 2.5/5 Annihilation was decent, it takes place after Makeb. 3/5
I wish I had known about the referral thing when I played SWTOR. 20 million credits to get free Cartel coins from someone? That would have been a cake walk. I usually made 6-7 million credits/ day by selling goodies. .
I used to be in an ERP guild. It paid alright at the time. I got sick of RP shortly after that. Guild got rebranded by the time I checked back in on them. Kinda sad about that. They hosted weekly parties on the guild flagship.
2:25 2 of the first books here were released as a web series, the third one was not. the first one is about Darth Thanaton and who he was before he became a Darth. I used someone's referral link, I got what was promised, so I guess I was lucky. But it wasn't millions of credits like it is now, it was 200K or something simple one could farm in an afternoon now. the economy in the game has been broken for years now. 9:10 SWTOR's version of Alterac Valley vanilla battles, where everyone meets in the middle and fights for hours, until the horde eventually win. I've had 1 AV battle last over a day, people logged out and came back and the same battle was still going on. Not very effective honor farming but yeah, this is SWTOR's version of that. lol, I remember the Jedi Wizard debate on the forum before the game came out. I heard about this Moff Regus betrayal story too. I just never saw it, I guess they scrapped the idea. You can choose to keep the collar on Vette the whole time, but if you do this, she will not be glad to see you later in KotFE/KotET
i remember being offered 10 mil credits for a referral code, i entered his referral and he actually gave me my credits, thank goodness i didn’t get scammed lol
You can still go to the Section X clone if you parkour enough. (At least this worked in 2020, it might've been patched) but using a juggernaut force push, its easy to get anywhere! PS: BIOWARE NEEDS TO stop exploits better :) F the scammers and throwers.
I have read the comics, they are pretty decent with blood of the sith being the best one imo a backstory to an important sith lord. Threat of peace is a lot about the defeat on coruscant and everything around it and gives great context to the game. The lost suns is a good background story to theron, if you care, but not as great, since there is not a lot of context to the game directly.
honestly i dont at all think banning players for exploiting existing (and obv soon to be patched) problems in the market, its totally their right to make that moolah and use it how they wish, banning people (especailly since a lot dont follow the forums or anything and wouldn't hear about the threat of banning) is really lame and doesn't fix anything at all
Yoo that guild thing makes since cuz I got recruited for a guild at lvl 2 and then they started kicking people . I was making excuses why they were getting kicked and It is a lot of people who get kick at once
I’M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT SWTOR !!! Just saw this comment, but on the real, I screwed up my microphone settings, tried to fix the audio mix, and didn’t fully realize how bad it was at some spots until after upload and listening on some devices. I’ve always been pretty loud in videos, so clean audio wouldn’t have made a huge difference, but my mistake did NOT do this iceberg any favors lol
@@Snoopster I can see that ahah, nice vid' btw ! :) But yeah that was really strange, sometimes you speak normally to tell an interesting piece of trivia, and the moment after you're SHOUTING to tell the most basic thing like "Koriban is the starting planet of the siths" or something like that ahahah
Hey I have a question about the operations in this game. Is there a way to solo all the operations can you even enter as a solo or do you have to have a group to even enter in one? I kinda wanna try it out
I read one comic of SWTOR, it was from my friend at school, he was selling it for 10 Reais, and I offered 20, but this idiot selled for his "best friend" for 2. To this day I hate remenbering this
I actually watched some of a FNAF Iceberg before I started working on this project! I'd recommend checking this video out if you haven't already: th-cam.com/video/cTE7JQky2sM/w-d-xo.html
Wtf is this information? Am I missing the defination of "Iceberg"? I thought that there would be some information here, but it's just...random trivia about the game
@@Snoopster i have recorded a video of me playing Thanos (chiss assassin in gold triumvirate armor with staff) and then a hulk character joined my arena. So probably not just SWTOR multiverse
Missed Detail:
Don the Exiled Knight - I didn't mention that Intisar, who runs the blog This Week in Aurebesh, made the initial Reddit post that got the attention of now Game Producer Eric Musco. His post got the ball rolling into making this character a reality!
You can read the blog post he made about it here:
www.generic-hero.com/ThisWeekinAurabesh/2018/12/12/exiles-end/
--
After a couple of weeks in the making, the SWTOR Iceberg Explained is complete! It might not be like my usual content, but this is something I really wanted to make. I hope you all enjoy it!
I tried to be as thorough as possible with each entry, but if I missed out on any details, feel free to leave a comment!
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Baras the Wide?
I thought not. It's not a story the Inquisitors would tell you. It's a Warrior legend.
Darth Baras was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so overweight and so wide, he could use the food to influence the calories to create fat. He had such a large appetite, he could even keep the food he ate from fully digesting. The Fat side of the Food is a pathway to many eating habits some consider to be.. Unhealthy.
He became so fat, the only thing he feared was getting a heart attack. Which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he got an apprentice with an intolerable level of sass, then his apprentice trolled him into cardiac arrest.
Ironic. He could keep his food from expiring. _But not himself._
i’ve been playing casually (and i play it as if it’s a single-player game lol) since 2014 and i didn’t know most of this stuff, thanks for making this !
I feel that. Been playing too since around 2017 on and off but it just has that single player story vibe for me that when I queue up with others I dont pay close attention to the story at all. Another + point for solo is that you can mess around with different dialogue choices without annoying your friend group
only multiplayer i've played was pvp once because i have no friends and i'm too anxious to talk to strangers
I started playing in 2021 and I’m only playing it single player
When I killed Darth Baras for the first time my first thought was, "I'm surprised my lightsaber could pierce all that fat,"
I have 3000 hours in swtor, never have I ever got the crate-o-matic
I have read all of the books except for annihilation. I'm planning on reading that soon. So far, every book has been amazing. Revan and Deceived are my personal favorites. If you were a big fan of the original Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic , I recommend reading Reven. Deceived is a really awesome revenge story that focuses on the Sacking of Coruscant.
on my playthru of sith warrior i made my character so alive that shes one of my all time favourite game characters. i choose to be evil to EVERY SINGLE character except vette. i got only dark side points and a few light side point that are only from vette
I didn't know most of this, this is pretty interesting.
By the way, is the xp armor still a thing?
And I think swtor is a lot better than wow.
The scoundrel loosing his data pad joke and the elevator cult is hilarious XD
Great video, have a good one!
Unless there is another DvL event , the exp armor will probably be unattainable. I personally have 3 Sets of it laying around.
@@CcZzsYnced Gotcha, thanks. Can you buy it or naw?
@@The-Blue-Knight It's bound to legacy, you can't buy it. I somehow got it duped through mysterious means (seriously, I don't know why I got an extra set in the mail one day from bw), but that set doesn't have amplifiers, "only" the set bonus, while my OG set got them when amplifiers became a thing. I rolled them all to max mission rewards and as a struggling altoholic, I've used the set for like 2 dozen characters since 2016. The "dupes" are bound to legacy as well.
edit: forgot to mention, you get a "victorious trailblazer" set for every character you make in a box with all the other 40+ things you accumulated as acc wide rewards over the years. Those sets weren't a thing back in the day, I'm not sure since when they have been. Those have no set bonus at all, but when you hover the box it reads they were a reward from DvL, so I'm assuming it was one of the cosmetic awards, I just forgot.
@@Azqalihm gotcha thanks
This video is awesome Snoop! I'll be sharing this often.
Yoooooo
@@The-Blue-Knight Wasssuuuuuuuup!
For many years we have been waiting to get sitting and sleeping personnel for the stronghold...
WE ARE STILL WAITING!
I saw a decent argument on the swtor reddit that believed the removal of the refer-a-friend is tied to the heavy inflation that game has been experiencing. The idea that fewer and fewer people buy things from the cash shop and post them on the GTN due to less CC being handed out, so gear becomes rarer and price sky rocket.
It's mainly because subscribers get everything and preferred players are not much better compared to F2P.. preferred players need more benefits that way things won't be so rare since more people are getting them.
I always loved that little email you get from Tefith.
Just when break from study starts video from snooper is uploaded and my day is suddenly better
There’s erp groups in everything. There used to be ERP servers for neverwinter nights. There still might be for all I know
Really nice video!! I'll admit, when I saw 48 minutes I was, oh this is too long, yet it didn't feel like it. There are several things I didn't know about the game. Thanks for making this!
I randomly found the Czerka crate a while ago. It has been sitting in my inventory and I didn't know what to do with it... didn't know it was valuable.
Most of my WoW guild switched to Swtor at launch. I stayed with Swtor after most of the guild switched back.
I don't know if there's been a comment mentioning this, but Malgus being referenced in carbonite is actually in game.
During pre onslaught or during onslaught when Malgus makes a return (basically the first time you see him during that xpac), you can overhear a couple of NPCs talking about how they heard Malgus was in carbonite but that it was just a rumor. Guess it ended up being true, huh?
This will be the best watch, my favorite SWTOR youtuber making an iceberg video, it cant get better than this 😄
I was hoping someone would've done a SWTOR iceberg video. Thanks Snoop
A perfect video to watch before going to bed. Thank you Snoopster ;)
Thanks for watching! :)
This is a very interesting because I’ve been playing swtor since it first launch a very long time ago.
Founders represent!
@@Snoopster ;)
That Satele is much older than she looks isn't that because Jedi's could manipulate the force to make themselves live longer? Qui-gon was 60 when he died, eventhough Liam Neeson was just 46 when he shot the film.
But then again, they might have changed that, since that stuff came from non-canon comics. And well, Obi-wan sure as hell didn't age slowly, he in fact might even aged a lot faster (since the timeline of the prequals where made up 15 years after then original trilogy).
Well, i guess it can be explained away with "head canon" that since humans are so widespread in the galaxy, living on thousands of worlds, some humans might very well be on the verge of becoming a "sub-species" of humans with just a longer lifespann naturally. So like Qui-gon could have been from a bunch of humans who's lifespan is 150 years, making him look younger eventhough he's in his 60s.
Wasn’t obi-wan a DESERT monk for sometime Imagine that would be awful for his skin Making him look older
He also shut himself off from the force for a while which could have lessened the ability to slow aging. And yeah a desert planet with TWO Suns not great skin care routine.
Before the EU got killed by Disney, they explained that constantly traveling through hyperspace slows aging, since you're moving faster than the rest of the galaxy for at least a few hours at a time.
Great video! Learned some new stuff & was thoroughly entertained.
One more thing: one one of the imperial cruisers on the fleet, you can see a sith lord talking to bounty hunters. This is a reference to Darth Vader talking to Boba Fett and other bounty hunters in the 5th movie
I nearly aspirated my coffee with that effed up C2 droid at the end of your intro.
I missed launch by 3 weeks and am still salty about not having a founder title.... I play and dig into the niches of the lore so I really love this vid. Thanks for putting it together
Ah Yes, The Iceburg of my Childhood game. A game I’ll remember when I get to college. I’m in 9th Grade right now.
It's a memorable game for sure!
What a strong note to end the iceberg on
Great video, your explanations really go in depth!
Thanks!
That droid in solo flash point missions can die, he has died on me a few times
-Bioware wants to know your location-
No mention of that mail message you used to get from a stranger who claims to know everything about you after you finished your class story?
This is a great video! I even have the collectors box and everything and played on and off since 2011 dec and didnt even know about half of this neat stuff !
as someone who use to pay the sub back when it came out good content made. thanks for the info
I once got a Czerka O-Matic and sold it on the GTN for 1 billion credits...
I could have traded it so I would lose money because of the GTN fee, but I still think it was worth it
Awesome video!
On the novels- The SWTOR Novels are of varying quality.
Revan is awesome. 5/5
Deceived is one of the best Star Wars books of all time. 6/5
Fatal Alliance isn't that good. 2.5/5
Annihilation was decent, it takes place after Makeb. 3/5
This is so well-researched! The video was also really entertaining even with the dense information. :)
you did a really good job on this keep up the good work man
Thank you!
I wish I had known about the referral thing when I played SWTOR. 20 million credits to get free Cartel coins from someone? That would have been a cake walk. I usually made 6-7 million credits/ day by selling goodies. .
I used to be in an ERP guild. It paid alright at the time. I got sick of RP shortly after that. Guild got rebranded by the time I checked back in on them. Kinda sad about that. They hosted weekly parties on the guild flagship.
2:25 2 of the first books here were released as a web series, the third one was not. the first one is about Darth Thanaton and who he was before he became a Darth.
I used someone's referral link, I got what was promised, so I guess I was lucky. But it wasn't millions of credits like it is now, it was 200K or something simple one could farm in an afternoon now. the economy in the game has been broken for years now.
9:10 SWTOR's version of Alterac Valley vanilla battles, where everyone meets in the middle and fights for hours, until the horde eventually win. I've had 1 AV battle last over a day, people logged out and came back and the same battle was still going on. Not very effective honor farming but yeah, this is SWTOR's version of that.
lol, I remember the Jedi Wizard debate on the forum before the game came out.
I heard about this Moff Regus betrayal story too. I just never saw it, I guess they scrapped the idea.
You can choose to keep the collar on Vette the whole time, but if you do this, she will not be glad to see you later in KotFE/KotET
Learned a lot, but not quite enough to lure me back to the game as a subscriber. good luck and have fun
"YOU FORGOT THE LITTLE UMBRELLA"- Nico
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
Love thst MNC is in this video. When I was playing ibwas with them. Great guild great community.
Great vid, fascinating info you've collected.
It was exciting to look at all the different entries. The cut content was especially fun to research!
There is also a dataceon you have to cross an invisible bridge to get to, much like the last crusade's leap of faith from indiana jones
I was expecting a mention of the bridge boss in scum and villainy and the hidden datacron joke associated with it if the you died on the bridge
i remember being offered 10 mil credits for a referral code, i entered his referral and he actually gave me my credits, thank goodness i didn’t get scammed lol
Great video man. One of the best mmo's ever made (at least to me it is)
You have to read the Revan Novel! There is also a good audiobook available:)
Doing gods work I see Silas, good lad!
@@SWCentral just following your example! :D
@@silassheppard5574 I'll be sure to check out!
My first fight with darth malgus he blew Jesus Droid off the edge n I got recked
I should pick this game up again, i had a few max level characters at the time max level was 55
The good old Rise of the Hutt Cartel days. It’s definitely worth revisiting from time to time!
You can still go to the Section X clone if you parkour enough. (At least this worked in 2020, it might've been patched) but using a juggernaut force push, its easy to get anywhere! PS: BIOWARE NEEDS TO stop exploits better :) F the scammers and throwers.
I can't wait for that new update I can't wait to finally be a sith warrior with a double blade lightsaber
I remenber the ghost companions, it scared ts out of me, because I thought somebody was hacking me, lol
The SWTOR Stronghold Horror Game!
I have read the comics, they are pretty decent with blood of the sith being the best one imo a backstory to an important sith lord. Threat of peace is a lot about the defeat on coruscant and everything around it and gives great context to the game. The lost suns is a good background story to theron, if you care, but not as great, since there is not a lot of context to the game directly.
honestly i dont at all think banning players for exploiting existing (and obv soon to be patched) problems in the market, its totally their right to make that moolah and use it how they wish, banning people (especailly since a lot dont follow the forums or anything and wouldn't hear about the threat of banning) is really lame and doesn't fix anything at all
best swtor channel by far love ur content man
This is gold!
YAY! new upload.
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
@@Snoopster yessir
Yoo that guild thing makes since cuz I got recruited for a guild at lvl 2 and then they started kicking people . I was making excuses why they were getting kicked and It is a lot of people who get kick at once
They can't call it "Wintrading" if I'm just bad at the game 👉🏾😎👉🏾
REAL.
Empire is morally better than republic post kotet
Now I just gotta use the Nude Mod whilst in an ERP guild.
My final Flashpoint lmao
Haha, that's the ultimate combo!
WHY ARE YOU SCREAMING ??
I’M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT SWTOR !!!
Just saw this comment, but on the real, I screwed up my microphone settings, tried to fix the audio mix, and didn’t fully realize how bad it was at some spots until after upload and listening on some devices. I’ve always been pretty loud in videos, so clean audio wouldn’t have made a huge difference, but my mistake did NOT do this iceberg any favors lol
@@Snoopster I can see that ahah, nice vid' btw ! :)
But yeah that was really strange, sometimes you speak normally to tell an interesting piece of trivia, and the moment after you're SHOUTING to tell the most basic thing like "Koriban is the starting planet of the siths" or something like that ahahah
Very nice video! :)
you're so good snoopy
Haha, I try my best!
WOWZERS
POGGERS
I just got back on the game, haven’t seen a spam bot yet
22:40 squats don't affect booty that much, she probably did deadlifts and lunges
Jesus Droid is the best companion
I was a victim of the elevator.
I’ve never played this game, however I’ve played WoW, would i like this game?
Hey I have a question about the operations in this game. Is there a way to solo all the operations can you even enter as a solo or do you have to have a group to even enter in one? I kinda wanna try it out
SWTOR is such a good game 🤓🥤
yo where's the original dance glitch that made you immune to damage
Very informative
I knew a decent bit about some of the stuff, but some on the list definitely surprised me.
damn, they discontinued the referral links?
I have a physical key and the Darth Malgus statue!
Same here!
I don’t think it’s gonna be hard to beat WoW nowadays
Really good video.
The comics are awesome
lol i love how he says SWTOR😂😂
I actually made like 10m credits doing the referral thing. I’ve been using the same credits off and on even to this day. Lol
I read one comic of SWTOR, it was from my friend at school, he was selling it for 10 Reais, and I offered 20, but this idiot selled for his "best friend" for 2. To this day I hate remenbering this
Noooooo. Hopefully, you were able to get the comic later!
22:41 Pun intended? Yk, cus she is a General and all :^)
I got a crate o matic on some random trash mob on cz 198
BRING BACK A CLONE APART #BRINGBACKDANSON
Brand new player, and I...so... wanna play a *MALE JEDI* ...who favors ranged weapons and stealth tactics...who likes to hide in the box item...
8:00 bookmark
Why are you yelling at me?!
I'M ANGRY AHHHHHHHHHHHH
Puedes hacer uno en español es que creo que no hay :(
u should do this with fnaf
I actually watched some of a FNAF Iceberg before I started working on this project! I'd recommend checking this video out if you haven't already: th-cam.com/video/cTE7JQky2sM/w-d-xo.html
Wtf is this information? Am I missing the defination of "Iceberg"? I thought that there would be some information here, but it's just...random trivia about the game
21:20 multiverse exists
The SWTOR Multiverse confirmed!?!?
@@Snoopster i have recorded a video of me playing Thanos (chiss assassin in gold triumvirate armor with staff) and then a hulk character joined my arena. So probably not just SWTOR multiverse
Cake is a lie
All the details you shard in the video are super old and I already know about it 😒
Hero engine sucks
first
Second!
I couldn’t make it more than a few minutes. Your voice is unbearable to listen to.
RATS!