Nice to see you up our neck of the woods and riding round Rivington, great roads. Don't do yourself down Shaun you do a fabulous job and your style is you, it's unique. It's not my style or size of bike these days but you have to admire its quality and price. But you are up against the bike snobs though who are still willing to buy a bike costing well over twice the price simply because its got a blue roundal on the tank.
@@MindfulMotorcyclist It arrives next week because I've ordered the higher seat being 6ft tall. I was able to obtain an ex demp model with only 29 miles on it and the P/ex was a little better than some offered like Hondas 2600, so that's limited my loss. I've been taken aback by some of the comments I've received especially from Stuart Fillingham who made various assumptions which were pure fiction.
Yes it's escalated quickly and to he honest I think Freddie and Stuart are on opposite sides and you unfortunately got stuck in the middle at the whim of two big TH-cam personalities. As long as you're sorted who cares what's said online 👍
£9k for what is essentially the equivalent of the F900 GS, you get a lot more value for money. The F900 GS is £12k in basic model. Then start adding the options, panniers, top box, quick shifter, heated seat, grips etc, things start to get rather expensive. Plus, how much is BMW's servicing, parts etc? The after sales is just as important as the initial cost.
Great review, it seems to be really excellent value! The larger diameter front wheel(21”) should in theory help it cope with bumps and potholes better on our shocking UK roads! 👏😀👍
Great video and content thoroughly enjoyed watching. I took one of these for a test ride today and loved it. First venture on an adventure bike for me branching out into something new. Keep up the good work and great to see you enjoying some of the local views around Rivington.
A lot of bike for the money, a back to back comparison with a 900GS would be interesting. I wonder if the testers will be able to see past the badge. Hopefully a more road focussed bike with a 19" front wheel will follow shortly.
I would also prefer a 19 at the front, didn't hinder me having a 21 but it's of little use to me. Expect it's an easy win to release a DS version of this with less features and road wheels for £6-7k...
Excellent review of a cracking touring bike. Im more a small simple bike guy, but I can see the attraction. These will be mainstream in a couple years time.
Stunning bike for the money - Voge are for real, their line up is getting bigger and stronger - not seeing or hearing any bad news out there about their bikes either - i wonder what the service costs and schedule for this model are like
The worst that will happen is you will lose money in depreciation but that happens to all bikes and you'll have saved on purchase costs and accessories....
Nice one Sean this looks to be a grand piece of kit can't say I am an adventure fan but if it would fit me I would have one these bikes really are of a good standard these days and surprisingly CF Moto are also involved in sponsorship in Moto 2 and moto 3 with the Aspar team they are a main sponsor,when you think they sell their bikes at very reasonable prices and can still be title sponsors in two category's on on the world stage it ain't bad ,good review very well done.👌👍
I've got a Versys 1000 SE and I'm giving this serious consideration. Spent a lot of time with the guy from MotoGB at the NEC, he was very straight and helpful. Let's see what happens in the spring 😊. Oh and as a general point don't talk so much about yourself, we are watching for a review of the bike mate not to find out your personal preferences 😉
Great video Sean, I reckon if you took all the badges off everything 90% of the people would choose it, what's not to like, great bike great price, it's only badge snobbery that puts people off,👍🙂🇬🇧🏍
I’m the same do not like tech on bikes they are losing their identity. How ever I’ve always had Japanese bikes and a triumph but this bike has definitely caught my eye. Definitely sitting on fence with this one. My friend has just bought one picks it up next week so going to be fortunate enough to see it in action first hand.
A fully stacked bike, great for those that chew up big miles up and down the country or Continent crunching. But would you enjoy just taking out for an evening/Sunday ride, probably not. Something you will maybe find that Cfmoto had is net security securing the bike so you can park, anywhere set a sort of "force field" around the bike which will alert your phone if the bike is moved. Likewise the cfmoto has a built in tracker system that shows you where your bike is on Google maps at any time.
@@MindfulMotorcyclist Yes and the connectivity is excellent, once setup (which was easy) you don't have to mess about with again. Also the bluetooth to the phone, bike and earpiece is brilliant; I've never used anything so good before. The bike locator is brilliant you could go to the police show where the bike is on your phone, simple as.
I had an aftermarket solution called Sizzapp but had nothing but problems with it, it has 'geofencing' when it worked... by the way I did a video response to your email, hope that is OK... cheers Bob.
@@MindfulMotorcyclist Yes, I think I might have been the first to view, FYI I'm retired since 2015. There's more to the story yet, I'll let you know how it all pans out. Still looking for that used, Super Meteor, Interstellar (green) 💚
I don't know for sure, but I think the CF Moto app also allows you to shut off the bikes ability to start as well by deactivating the ignition. But don't quote me on that. I've mostly been watching a lot of videos as of late to see the various opinions on all of the bikes I put on my list for future purchase.
Every thing you say I agree with,I ride a 2022 Pan America 1250 Special and when the warranty has expired in September 2025 I will seriously consider the Voge 900 dsx the worm has turned!
What happens to all the demo bikes? Will they get distributed around the dealers as demo machines. Would be a good deal on those in a couple of months time.
So,, a Bmw 900 Engine, Brembo Brakes, Kayaba suspension. Yep, all topnotch stuff i see. So you basically have to worry about quality of the fairings, tank, and frame. Since all the most important stuff is well tried out allready for many years👍👌 Got it, half price you say? 😁 Well what is there to talk about? This is no brainer. 100% insane bang for the buck.
@@MindfulMotorcyclist 1st - 621 miles - £233.09 2nd - 6213 - £312.29 3rd - 12427 - £441.47 (valves) 4th - 18641 miles - £375.68 Prices supplied by Millennium Motorcycles direct from Voge. As you say, 10,000 km intervals. Keep up the good work, love your jacket by the way … what brand/model is it ?
It could already be Euro5.5 especially as it's a BMW designed engine and they are known for prepping their bikes to be a couple of steps ahead in regs...
Probably not, or I would assume not. As the frame is not guaranteed to be the same. Only someone in China knows how similar these bikes are to the BMWs and they won't be drawing attention to that. You'd have to buy the kit and have it returnable if it doesn't fit. Thanks 👍
To the people who say they don’t like or buy anything Chinese ….really? What about mobile phones, kitchen appliances, TV’s, laptops, pet toys, tools, clothes, cars including Tesla, household ornaments, vacuum cleaners……the list is endless, even garlic cloves!!
I'd go out and buy one now if it were closer to 200kg wet. As it stands a 1/2 year used Transalp is only £7.5k and weighs 206kg with the same power. Has fewer features but honestly I wouldnt use them anyway.
I imagine if you took off the luggage and racks, removed the centre stand , you' already be well on the way to a far lighter bike, the weights quoted are with all accessories... I'd take off the huge cat converter and fit a smaller one too...
The Chinese are very clever at marketing all the vloggers have had these both in uk latterly and Oz and Europe. How’s best to get people to buy. Read MCN 😂😂😂 or vloggers giving the bare bones. These are stunning in the flash as are Benelli, CF etc etc. their only competition is used japanese imo
I would never park a bike outside under a cover, you will trap more moisture than if it was just left in the rain. If you have no dry storage location just ACF50 it or XRP etc then leave it uncovered
The Chinese are very clever at marketing all the vloggers have had these both in uk latterly and Oz and Europe. How’s best to get people to buy. Read MCN 😂😂😂 or vloggers giving the bare bones. These are stunning in the flesh as are Benelli, CF etc etc. their only competition is used japanese imo
all important cruise control ;; tell that to bsa ;; i don't like the chinese government , or adv bikes ---- as i think 3 miles is an expedition ,, but if i were in the market [[ at any price ]] i would buy a voge for this type or style no problem ;;
There's plenty of over 10k reviews, take your blinkers off mate, there's NOTHING wrong with these bikes, in fact, they've engineered away a lot of the problems with the expensive bikes like KTM. Instead of being straight up Anti China, inform yourself and do some research..... PS, I've been buying Chinese products since Aliexpress opened, {over 10 years}, hundreds of different items from brake discs, billet Aluminium parts to brake parts to clothing and sunglasses, NEVER had a dud part, but I do know what and where I'm buying it from....
I am of an age where I can remember Soichiro Honda sending his damned crappy motorcycles to the shores of the UK. Like you we had no vision, did nothing in the way of research, thought we knew everything and of course were only to keen to spout utter nonsense about the quality of our British bikes. Honda, one minute wonder, tinny crap, will rust away by January, all the usual excrement…..how very wrong we were. Whilst we were yo-yoing withe kickstart, the Honda was up the road and turning left!!! Lesson learned, just traded a 2 1/2 year old Voge 650 for the 900. The part ex value was more than generous, I was surprised, ridden it through the winters, little if any rust, nothing had failed, the 19” front wheel enabled me to really push it through the twisties, get the engine above 3000 rpm and it pulled like a John Deere tractor on steroids. The engineering qualities are as good as anything from Europe or Japan in its class…….and what you get for your money is just phenomenal!!!! We run a number of small industrial machines with Chinese Loncin engines, we change the oil (too) frequently, clean or replace the air filter and they work all day, every day, never change a plug and not had one fail…..if they do, they’re ridiculously cheap and readily available, next day delivery. Whatever you do, DO NOT try one, you may just be pleasantly surprised and that would not be good at all. Voge is the new Honda.
Andy could I be so bold to ask how you did so well with your part ex on your 650? I didn't do great trying to sell my 500dsx but admittedly that was in 2022 and things move quickly with Chinese bikes...
Sent emails to the UK distributor, the local dealer and Voge direct. No reply from any of them so absolutely no confidence in Voge whatsoever. If this is the customer service in the UK, forget it, I don’t care how cheap your bikes are, I am no longer interested. Good luck to those who already bought.
To much clutter. Why on earth do you want flashing mirrors heated seats etc .its a bike not a car, probably have cheese metal in the engine like KTM , to much to go wrong.
I remember the jap stuf coming out and being called rice burners! Jap crap, plastic metal. They build engines for BMW and make lots of parts for other makes🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
what an absurd statement - you realise our 'regime' goes around the world creating war and famine and has done for as long as time has been around, grow the fuck up ffs - the chinese gvt has F.all to do with the people in the business , let's not forget that your view of the so called regime is also driven by what the media tells you to think, i suppose you think russia bad and america great too...
Nice to see you up our neck of the woods and riding round Rivington, great roads. Don't do yourself down Shaun you do a fabulous job and your style is you, it's unique. It's not my style or size of bike these days but you have to admire its quality and price. But you are up against the bike snobs though who are still willing to buy a bike costing well over twice the price simply because its got a blue roundal on the tank.
Thank you Ian. How the Eliminator?
@@MindfulMotorcyclist It arrives next week because I've ordered the higher seat being 6ft tall. I was able to obtain an ex demp model with only 29 miles on it and the P/ex was a little better than some offered like Hondas 2600, so that's limited my loss. I've been taken aback by some of the comments I've received especially from Stuart Fillingham who made various assumptions which were pure fiction.
Yes it's escalated quickly and to he honest I think Freddie and Stuart are on opposite sides and you unfortunately got stuck in the middle at the whim of two big TH-cam personalities. As long as you're sorted who cares what's said online 👍
£9k for what is essentially the equivalent of the F900 GS, you get a lot more value for money. The F900 GS is £12k in basic model. Then start adding the options, panniers, top box, quick shifter, heated seat, grips etc, things start to get rather expensive. Plus, how much is BMW's servicing, parts etc? The after sales is just as important as the initial cost.
Great review, it seems to be really excellent value! The larger diameter front wheel(21”) should in theory help it cope with bumps and potholes better on our shocking UK roads! 👏😀👍
Haha that's true about the front wheel good point... 👍
I've had one for just over a week now it's an amazing bike ! I came from a 2019 cbr650r and I can't fault the bike
Great video and content thoroughly enjoyed watching. I took one of these for a test ride today and loved it. First venture on an adventure bike for me branching out into something new. Keep up the good work and great to see you enjoying some of the local views around Rivington.
Thanks Jon, really appreciate that. Good luck with your new 'exploration' in motorcycling!
A lot of bike for the money, a back to back comparison with a 900GS would be interesting. I wonder if the testers will be able to see past the badge. Hopefully a more road focussed bike with a 19" front wheel will follow shortly.
I would also prefer a 19 at the front, didn't hinder me having a 21 but it's of little use to me. Expect it's an easy win to release a DS version of this with less features and road wheels for £6-7k...
Most likely more riders would prefer 19” front over 21”.
Excellent review of a cracking touring bike. Im more a small simple bike guy, but I can see the attraction. These will be mainstream in a couple years time.
Stunning bike for the money - Voge are for real, their line up is getting bigger and stronger - not seeing or hearing any bad news out there about their bikes either - i wonder what the service costs and schedule for this model are like
Incredible value for money. The board rooms of the major manufacturers must be talking regard this offering to the market 😬. Great vid Sean 👍
Thank you Richard, any new bikes on the horizon for you?
@@MindfulMotorcyclist Not yet Sean, but with winter approaching, and this being the best time to buy, you never know 😆
Good review, you cannot argue against the value for money proposition, like you I like the brand and, bought a 525 ACX a few months ago, great bike.
The worst that will happen is you will lose money in depreciation but that happens to all bikes and you'll have saved on purchase costs and accessories....
can't wait to purchase one once it launch in my country
It was a great launch. Great to meet you. G. 😁
Thanks G, nice to see you as well!
Good work Sean, the bike is awesome for the money. Thank you
Nice one Sean this looks to be a grand piece of kit can't say I am an adventure fan but if it would fit me I would have one these bikes really are of a good standard these days and surprisingly CF Moto are also involved in sponsorship in Moto 2 and moto 3 with the Aspar team they are a main sponsor,when you think they sell their bikes at very reasonable prices and can still be title sponsors in two category's on on the world stage it ain't bad ,good review very well done.👌👍
I've got a Versys 1000 SE and I'm giving this serious consideration. Spent a lot of time with the guy from MotoGB at the NEC, he was very straight and helpful. Let's see what happens in the spring 😊. Oh and as a general point don't talk so much about yourself, we are watching for a review of the bike mate not to find out your personal preferences 😉
Great video Sean, I reckon if you took all the badges off everything 90% of the people would choose it, what's not to like, great bike great price, it's only badge snobbery that puts people off,👍🙂🇬🇧🏍
I agree 👍. I already started to quite like the Voge brand/badge now... probably more of a fan of the smaller bikes however
I’m the same do not like tech on bikes they are losing their identity. How ever I’ve always had Japanese bikes and a triumph but this bike has definitely caught my eye. Definitely sitting on fence with this one. My friend has just bought one picks it up next week so going to be fortunate enough to see it in action first hand.
Hi Daz, that sounds like a great plan, see how he gets on day to day with it. 👍
The electronics, spec and the power is just right for me. I wish a dealer was closer to me to see if. Thank you for the video.
A fully stacked bike, great for those that chew up big miles up and down the country or Continent crunching. But would you enjoy just taking out for an evening/Sunday ride, probably not. Something you will maybe find that Cfmoto had is net security securing the bike so you can park, anywhere set a sort of "force field" around the bike which will alert your phone if the bike is moved. Likewise the cfmoto has a built in tracker system that shows you where your bike is on Google maps at any time.
Did you use the geo box 📦 tracking Bob? I know some new bikes have it...
@@MindfulMotorcyclist Yes and the connectivity is excellent, once setup (which was easy) you don't have to mess about with again. Also the bluetooth to the phone, bike and earpiece is brilliant; I've never used anything so good before. The bike locator is brilliant you could go to the police show where the bike is on your phone, simple as.
I had an aftermarket solution called Sizzapp but had nothing but problems with it, it has 'geofencing' when it worked... by the way I did a video response to your email, hope that is OK... cheers Bob.
@@MindfulMotorcyclist Yes, I think I might have been the first to view, FYI I'm retired since 2015. There's more to the story yet, I'll let you know how it all pans out. Still looking for that used, Super Meteor, Interstellar (green) 💚
I don't know for sure, but I think the CF Moto app also allows you to shut off the bikes ability to start as well by deactivating the ignition. But don't quote me on that. I've mostly been watching a lot of videos as of late to see the various opinions on all of the bikes I put on my list for future purchase.
Nice bike and looks great and for the price and kit on it I don’t think a person can go wrong with it and great video
Thank you for the kind comment.
Looked like a Cortina MK2.
Great video, thank you.
Thank you Hector, I had a lot of help from pros on this one...
Every thing you say I agree with,I ride a 2022 Pan America 1250 Special and when the warranty has expired in September 2025 I will seriously consider the Voge 900 dsx the worm has turned!
Thank you Ken! I like the Pan too...
With regards to wind baffeting , what maximum speed did you achieve to test that issue? It seemed you went rather slow in those side roads.
Bufetting depends from many factors. Motocycle speed, wind speed, angle of wind.
To answer the original post, I was going around 40 perhaps so you could and likely would have buffeting at 70+ etc
Brilliant review
What happens to all the demo bikes? Will they get distributed around the dealers as demo machines. Would be a good deal on those in a couple of months time.
That's a good question, I assume distributed out to all dealers. Would be strange for MotoGB to hold onto that many press bikes
Fantastic bike and price buy it before the prices goes up
Good, fair video Sean.
Thanks Brian 👍
Picked up a comment about fuel consumption how you finding yours? Are the indicators self cancelling?
So,, a Bmw 900 Engine, Brembo Brakes,
Kayaba suspension.
Yep, all topnotch stuff i see.
So you basically have to worry about quality of the fairings, tank, and frame.
Since all the most important stuff is well tried out allready for many years👍👌
Got it, half price you say?
😁 Well what is there to talk about? This is no brainer. 100% insane bang for the buck.
When you say over engineered so there are no faults I would say made properly so there are no faults as it should be anyway.
Fair comment Ian!
HELP !!! been looking for 40 or 45 litres (each) aluminium panniers capacity for voge dsx900 but can't find it anywhere. Anyone ?
They come with the bike?
No. It's an extra from LOBOO, but the panniers are too small for me. Now cost around 800 euros
What is service interval and costs?
It's every 6200 miles or 10,000km after the first 600 mile service. Costs I'm sorry they didn't say...
@@MindfulMotorcyclist
1st - 621 miles - £233.09
2nd - 6213 - £312.29
3rd - 12427 - £441.47 (valves)
4th - 18641 miles - £375.68
Prices supplied by Millennium Motorcycles direct from Voge.
As you say, 10,000 km intervals.
Keep up the good work, love your jacket by the way … what brand/model is it ?
Thanks for the details there, very helpful. The jacket is a Spada Parka I think... definitely Spada
Nice Video! Do you have a link to your gopro Body fixing? ❤
Hi David, thank you. Just look up 'GoPro Chesty' its easy to find as it's the official accessory. Perhaps secondhand would be a deal?
What about Euro 5 + next year with this Bike? It will cost 500 Euro more.
It could already be Euro5.5 especially as it's a BMW designed engine and they are known for prepping their bikes to be a couple of steps ahead in regs...
Thank you for the review ,im looking for lowering kit fot this bike , there is lowering kit for bmw f 850gs , do you think this set would fit?
Probably not, or I would assume not. As the frame is not guaranteed to be the same. Only someone in China knows how similar these bikes are to the BMWs and they won't be drawing attention to that. You'd have to buy the kit and have it returnable if it doesn't fit. Thanks 👍
To the people who say they don’t like or buy anything Chinese ….really?
What about mobile phones, kitchen appliances, TV’s, laptops, pet toys, tools, clothes, cars including Tesla, household ornaments, vacuum cleaners……the list is endless, even garlic cloves!!
Exactly right!
I'd go out and buy one now if it were closer to 200kg wet. As it stands a 1/2 year used Transalp is only £7.5k and weighs 206kg with the same power. Has fewer features but honestly I wouldnt use them anyway.
Fair enough, always cheaper to buy nearly new. You might even get some of the extras that the original owner had splashed out on!
I imagine if you took off the luggage and racks, removed the centre stand , you' already be well on the way to a far lighter bike, the weights quoted are with all accessories... I'd take off the huge cat converter and fit a smaller one too...
@@MickH60agree 100%. Compare apple to apple…
Trans Alp Torque a bit lower ?
Good feedback but the bike is silver and blue, not white and blue
What colour is the BMW badge?
The Chinese are very clever at marketing all the vloggers have had these both in uk latterly and Oz and Europe. How’s best to get people to buy. Read MCN 😂😂😂 or vloggers giving the bare bones.
These are stunning in the flash as are Benelli, CF etc etc. their only competition is used japanese imo
It's cracking value but what will it be like in 2 years parked outside under a cover , real world riding.
I would never park a bike outside under a cover, you will trap more moisture than if it was just left in the rain. If you have no dry storage location just ACF50 it or XRP etc then leave it uncovered
@@MindfulMotorcyclist what's with the lecture?
See already the brake oil level is few cc to low and sound of 900cc, sounds ugly or it's the mic.
Believe it or not that's the Mic, just on Saturday I bought a new camera DJI action 5 and mic, I traded my old GoPro hero 7s into cash converters 🤣🤣
Why bother commenting, you've already made it clear further down the page you don't like Chinese anything.... Ignorance isn't a good look...
What do you mean with the oil Level?
The Chinese are very clever at marketing all the vloggers have had these both in uk latterly and Oz and Europe. How’s best to get people to buy. Read MCN 😂😂😂 or vloggers giving the bare bones.
These are stunning in the flesh as are Benelli, CF etc etc. their only competition is used japanese imo
all important cruise control ;; tell that to bsa ;; i don't like the chinese government , or adv bikes ---- as i think 3 miles is an expedition ,, but if i were in the market [[ at any price ]] i would buy a voge for this type or style no problem ;;
My voge has gaydar
Oh cool mate which Voge do you have?
Please buy it so I can look after a few years how the quality is before buying chines bikes, personally I am not a fan of chinese products.
I did buy a Voge 500DSX and ran it for 18 months and 15,000km no faults... all on the channel too...
There's plenty of over 10k reviews, take your blinkers off mate, there's NOTHING wrong with these bikes, in fact, they've engineered away a lot of the problems with the expensive bikes like KTM. Instead of being straight up Anti China, inform yourself and do some research..... PS, I've been buying Chinese products since Aliexpress opened, {over 10 years}, hundreds of different items from brake discs, billet Aluminium parts to brake parts to clothing and sunglasses, NEVER had a dud part, but I do know what and where I'm buying it from....
I am of an age where I can remember Soichiro Honda sending his damned crappy motorcycles to the shores of the UK. Like you we had no vision, did nothing in the way of research, thought we knew everything and of course were only to keen to spout utter nonsense about the quality of our British bikes. Honda, one minute wonder, tinny crap, will rust away by January, all the usual excrement…..how very wrong we were. Whilst we were yo-yoing withe kickstart, the Honda was up the road and turning left!!!
Lesson learned, just traded a 2 1/2 year old Voge 650 for the 900. The part ex value was more than generous, I was surprised, ridden it through the winters, little if any rust, nothing had failed, the 19” front wheel enabled me to really push it through the twisties, get the engine above 3000 rpm and it pulled like a John Deere tractor on steroids. The engineering qualities are as good as anything from Europe or Japan in its class…….and what you get for your money is just phenomenal!!!!
We run a number of small industrial machines with Chinese Loncin engines, we change the oil (too) frequently, clean or replace the air filter and they work all day, every day, never change a plug and not had one fail…..if they do, they’re ridiculously cheap and readily available, next day delivery.
Whatever you do, DO NOT try one, you may just be pleasantly surprised and that would not be good at all.
Voge is the new Honda.
Andy could I be so bold to ask how you did so well with your part ex on your 650? I didn't do great trying to sell my 500dsx but admittedly that was in 2022 and things move quickly with Chinese bikes...
Sent emails to the UK distributor, the local dealer and Voge direct. No reply from any of them so absolutely no confidence in Voge whatsoever. If this is the customer service in the UK, forget it, I don’t care how cheap your bikes are, I am no longer interested. Good luck to those who already bought.
Who did you email at the distributor? I've known them to be very responsive...
Bmw eat ya heart out ! 🤣🤣
Well they took the heart from the BMW 🤣🤣
Shame only a two year warranty.... CFMOTO 4 years...BMW 3 years and SUZUKI 3 (up to 7 potentially)....🤔
Are VOGE not that confident.
Good question, I personally was chuffed when BSA increased from 2 to 4 years 😀
In Spain they have a 5 year warranty. Shame only 2 in the UK.
Fall to bits after a winter in UK 🇬🇧 And what about parts and accessories 🤷🏻
Said the same about Japanese bikes 40 years ago... look how that turned out 🫣
Do the Loncin BMW’s fall apart then?
Vvvvvvvvvvvpooooo
🤔
I just couldnt ride anything branded Voge. CF Moto would get my money
Ffs
Weeeeeeeeeee
No pedigree.
To much clutter. Why on earth do you want flashing mirrors heated seats etc .its a bike not a car, probably have cheese metal in the engine like KTM , to much to go wrong.
I remember the jap stuf coming out and being called rice burners! Jap crap, plastic metal. They build engines for BMW and make lots of parts for other makes🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
It is easy to build a cheap bike if you steal all the technology from bmw.
Basically bmw gave it to them by having their bikes build by Loncin.
couidn't bring myself to buy a bike from that regime.Nor should anyone else
But will happily buy devices, built by the same regime, to post comments on TH-cam 😂
what an absurd statement - you realise our 'regime' goes around the world creating war and famine and has done for as long as time has been around, grow the fuck up ffs - the chinese gvt has F.all to do with the people in the business , let's not forget that your view of the so called regime is also driven by what the media tells you to think, i suppose you think russia bad and america great too...
@@nickattwood4258 you're guessing
Please explain why ??
Everything you own has 'bits' from that régime...muppet head, have a nice day
What a load of shite
😂 oh dear someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed... or perhaps up at 3am watching TH-cam 😂
@@MindfulMotorcyclist mom locked the basement door and they're grumpy😂