Japanese and especially European manufacturers really need to get their stuff together. Bike prices have gone absolutely mental the last few years and they are going to get decimated by the Chinese bike industry the next decade if they don't adjust.
To put this bike into perspective at 9k fully loaded, the MV Agusta Endro 950 veloce is 20k with nothing, not even tubeless wheels. European manufacturers need a wake up pill. Until now we had the excellent lawn mower power output Royal Endfields, this Voge is in another league with power and tech.
@@checker3694 you are right. European bikes are getting too expensive. I ride my second BMW and must admitt am very satisfied with the performances, quality, durability ( I rode my 1st BMW almost 100k km with no problems at all. Just regular maintenence and tires. Same with second one for last 4 years). Not to mention excellent service. But the prices are well over 20%+ compared with the year 2020☹️☹️
@VesnaLambic Agree, the only thing keeping the 20k plus bike market alive in Europe is the PCP purchase plan, where people are in reality only renting there bike for 3 years, and to own it after 3 years they purchase the other half of its trade in value.Look at US market, where there is no PCP $100K Plus jeeps Grand Cherokees are growing moss in dealers, people can't afford 3 to 4 k a month repayments, on vehicles that are 45% over priced finance is now 8 years there.. The US consumer has awoken finally.
I had mine just under a week here in the UK and I love it rides amazingly I traded my CBR in for it and I'm so glad I did. Hold the mode button down for a few seconds and you get enduro mode that switches off abs and traction control
@@markpulling12 also when the fog lights are off then when you indicate that side fog lights will come on to light the way that your turning great video by the way 👍
@@pauldobboI already have a 2020 cb500x so don’t need another bike, but the TH-camrs are just part of the marketing and of course big up the bikes they have been lent which earns them money - definitely not impartial as they do not consider residual costs, spares availability nor manufacturing conditions and costs. Mark even says that the lights are good at night but has never tested them at night - they just look like they should be good.
My son lives just round the corner from Poole Moto now. Next time I’m down from Kent I’ll be looking in the showroom and throwing my leg over it. Great review Mark. 👌
Great review Mark! It's definitely a shame this brand isnt available here in Australia. They would definitely give some competition to CFmoto in some of the models since they also have similar models in China that ive seen. Thanks again.
Hi Steve from Kiewa 3691. Considering we're one of the nearest markets to China, it's more than a big surprise that there's no importer for this very impressive machine.
WOW! That's phenomenal value for money and such a high spefication too. I wonder how easy it will be to fix it in 5 years time. Hopefully an OBD2 reader will be all you need rather than any manufaqcturer specific diagnostic tools. It even looks much nicer than the current GS's and I'm a GS owener 😎
Makes me laugh, keyless entry on a bike 🤣😂. I have little to no interest in tech but I do like the blind spot detection. Excellent review as always from MP.
Another top review Mark. Let’s be perfectly honest here - this IS a BMW F900GS just in different clothes. The Chinese are now doing what some of the big car manufacturers did 20 years ago and just building lots of different brands under one big roof. If I had the choice of this or the Beemer at twice the price, fully specced up, it would be a complete no brainer. The West really needs to wake up and either create some really good bikes at fair prices for their brand or start rethinking whether they should be building bikes at all. I’ve always supported the big name manufacturers over the best decades of my riding years, but the value and spec of these machines can no longer be mocked or ignored entirely.
Excellent value, showcased once again on yet another product hailing from the Orient. As many on here have stated, the European manufacturers need to take heed. You ADV advocates out there certainly are now spoilt for choice. This bike is amazing value. Good work once again, Mark.
@@markpulling12No Problem Mark, I've just done my throttle reset again from my earlier video it had gone a bit jerky again . Smooth as butter. Also I have just made a DSX essential tips video uploaded today. Ride safe mate. ✌️
Lovely bike and review. I laughed halfway through cos there was a chap on a mobility scooter and I realised that’s what’s missing. You’ve done electric bikes, even a hoverboard. I just imagined a mobility scooter review!!! 😂
Back in the early to mid 90s bikes were held to 100bhp by some agreement. At that time I had a gsx1100g, a shaft bike that made 100bhp. It genuinely didn't feel lacking in power because it was tuned for torque. Torque you feel as pulling power and it's far more useful than chasing revs to make 200bhp. This looks like a great bike
Great review, Mark! Answered all of my queries. Certainly, a lot of bike for the money and with comparable BMW traits. Makes my top list of a potential purchase. Cheers.
This is an amazing deal! And especially with all those specs. (In fact, you forgot one for the UK release: Honk the horn, and she plays "Hail Britannica"!) ;) Great review, Mark!
That is a nice looking 👀 bike and what a deal breaker fully loaded including 3 case luggage and quick shifter at £9000 that is amazing just one thing it’s Chinese I know we all have things that are made with something Chinese in the build but a whole bike I think it needs a year or two to see how they go if ok then why not ride safe mate
The possibilities with this bike are endless, amazing how such stuff as cruise control is included at this price, why can't the main 4 achieve this. Lets face it loads of bike are made in china, India and the like these days.. are we paying for the brand or the ride. As bikes for most of us are toys this is a great option 😅 money in the tank and trips not on payments.. fabulous review as always Mark.. our only ? Is how it will cope with the British weather 😅... Thanks Mark amazing as always 🎉❤ x
The big 4 ,have been having us away with the numbers for to long ,but the big red needs to drop this bike to 3k coz resale is 500qiud after 2years ,looks a real trauma tool
Looks great value, top quality review as always Mark, I seen another reviewer in Spain complaining about serious engine heat on these. Maybe a good thing in our avg weather!
Incredible value for money. I can see the grim reaper hanging over the Japanese motorcycles industry unless they wake up. Lovely looking bike and spec superb. These will be 2nd hand bargains. 90bhp with fat torque is superb on road performance
For this genre of bike, it looks very good. It's got a good engine, as well. Nice gold, cross-spoke wheels taking tubeless tyres. Excellent video, Mark. Nick [they've changed my username back to 1990, plus a bit]
This is the same engine as in my F800gs but of course mine is down on power as BMW sells it in two versions F900gs and F800gs. That engine is a peach and i am currently touring Spain on it getting 78mpg. Mine is specced up and cost just over Twelve grand but that doesn't include the adjustable windscreen and the pannier were just over a grand. Great value for money and i am sure whoever buys it will love it. Great review Mark
A lot of bike for your money. Also a lot what can go wrong. I’m going sit on the fence with this one see how they review in years time with a few miles on them.
It seems from the comments I am getting on my channel that the same thing is now happening in the UK with this bike, now only blind orders taken for pre order, I'm guessing you guys will be the same as the rest of Europe, a 3 month plus wait for your bike. VOGE have achieved what the wanted with The DSX 900 a global market change. It was a huge gamble producing a motorbike at nearly cost, but VOGE have arrived.
@@rajsmith9855 full dealer network here in Spain for the last 5 years it’s an established brand here. I don’t think parts will be a problem, engine BMW, electrics Bosch , forks KYB, brembro brakes all Off the shelf. Plus 5 years guarantee 😉
@@rajsmith9855…..Correct! I queried the service intervals with the selling dealer who didn’t know but relied on the ecu and it said 3098 after the first service which is just plain stupid. I contacted the importer twice by email for confirmation and to date, over a month they have yet to acknowledge let alone reply. When I contacted them by telephone regarding the latest software update and service intervals I was told to contact the dealer…..they didn’t want to know or even talk to me. The dealers are also having difficulty with warranty claims, MotoGb are ignoring them also. It doesn’t bode well, whether Voge are aware of this unprofessional incompetence by MotoGb is yet to be confirmed. On that basis, whilst the 900 is a truly great machine for the price, service intervals at 3000 miles, unable to update the software to the latest 4.4 version and the authorised importer providing little if any after sales service, it is difficult to encourage anyone to buy one. I have a Tenere World Raid, another great motorcycle, dealers in every town, oem and aftermarket parts readily available, confirmed warranty and sensible service intervals. Food for thought.
As a new Transalp owner (18,400 kms in, and still loving it) I am staggered at the specs and price of this thing. Begs the question; how do they do it? Can't help wondering where these manufacturers, and their Japanese competitors, will be in five years or so. But that depends entirely on western acceptance of Chinese bikes, and that may take a little longer. How long can they keep offering these bikes at these prices, all Brembos and tubeless rims, if we aren't buying them? Our acceptance will depend on longer-term ride reports, and the establishment (or not) of independent dealerships. At the moment of course they tend to be additions to more established makes. This Voge is a little heavy, but then has SO MUCH by way of options, it's no wonder. So at this point we all just have to 'keep an open mind' and see where this goes. I notice the odd CFMoto turning up at our bike gatherings, and they have taken over a large part of the Honda dealership I bought my Transalp from. Our world is changing.
@@roadwarrior8560 Oh look - yes, they offer amazing value - no question. That is why I wondered (above) how long they can keep the prices so low - it seems economically temporary, just by virtue of the need to make a profit to continue. I have actually been following these offerings (along with the Kove 800) as they come onto the market, and am totally blown away by what they can offer for the price. As to the Transalp's air filter? You will get no argument from me there! I fitted a K&N around 12,000 kms, and have barely got over it yet, now over 19,000 kms... I counted 10 x panels, and roughly 50 x fasteners to remove! It took me a VERY long time, working methodically (being the first time) and yes - it was ridiculous. But it will be easier next time, and it must be said that the original (dry paper) filter was surprisingly clean, after so many dirt miles, so hopefully I won't have to clean it too often.
Very good, only downside is this isn't the type of bike I'm much interested in! It's equivalent to most 4 wheeler SUVs, and very few will take them anywhere beyond short gravel tracks. Now a decent tourer with some wind protection and much of this spec, more of a better looking competitor to the nt1100, and I'd look closer.
Japanese bikes are good but for year they really have not changed much like cars most cars come with satellite navigation you don't get it unless you buy a BMW GS, but this has everything under 9 grand even dash cam front and rear and with a proven BMW engine unbelievable value I know what I would buy all day long no brainer the Japanese got to concerned, and a lot of bikes are made In China and India don't understand the issues these days, great review Mark 👍
@@markbrimecome3309 thanks yes this is now going to set a standard for price /equipment...it could be a very exciting future for bikes from china Cheers mark
This or the Honda Transalp. Both really there to do the same job! In the spec nearest to the Voge the Honda would be £2-3k more. I think my vote would have to be the Voge!
Thanks for your excellent test Mark. Your tests are always good. As for this bike I just wish I’d had LESS tech. Far far too much tech and gadgets and menus and screens puts me right off. If there was a version with no TFT and an analogue dial Speedo I might be tempted. Biking for me is a simple uncomplicated experience… too much tech spoils that. Other opinions are available though.. that’s just mine. Thanks for your video.. it’s was an interesting watch.
Dealers dealers dealers...for people to accept this and put it on the 'for consideration' list they need a serious convenient dealer network with show rooms so any customer can actually see and touch them with servicing and parts network to match..I have no issues with it being made in china I'm beyond brand snobbery now at my age. £8+9k you'd be mad not to consider it.
G'day Mark, next year I'm doing a top end tour of Australia with some mate and all are taking Advantage bikes with high capacity engines, l am still looking for the one l will take and this machine fit the bill, it come with the lot excellent, power on tap, look great, affordable price, it will be a 15,000 km trip over 3 months so the seat has to be the best. Cheers mate, Neil 🤠.
Thought you were going to like it when you did the unboxing glad it didn’t disappoint! An interesting dilemma for anyone considering a bike in this category Tracer, Tiger 900, 750 GS etc all £5-£6k more in most cases for considerably less bike. Once the dealer network expands this lot are going to take over the world!
@@markpulling12 must say I do really like your reviews, you always pull out the positives even when the aspects of the bikes are sub-par and your style is really easy to watch. You’ve definitely helped me make choices over the years, just wish I’d seen this before I shelled out £15k on the Tracer 🤣
@@hectorshouse7348 afraid although it’s a rational argument that they will I can’t see them selling if they cost more than this. £9,000 is a paradigm that is so difficult to cross for manufacturers. They need more agents, a better network and probably adaptive cruise to justify a higher price.
Looks great at great price! With everything you need! Where other makes ? Add extras to all bits! Really good video! Only trouble where I live ! No mechanics will touch or work on a Chinese bike! Hope that changes
@@christopherpekel6096 The mechanics disagree! They say cheap parts badly made bikes! And most I have spoken too will not touch them? Only work on Japanese bikes!!
@@johnterry804 they're not very smart. They obviously think that all Chinese bikes are cheap Amazon pit bike specials. That's their loss This seems to be an American thing, as here in Australia mechanics are obviously more competent and happy to work on anything Most of them now know there's good brands in china We have had them here for longer, so I guess that's why
I think the issue most people seem to overlook, is the total lack of spares availability for voge and for that matter cfmoto, one of the reasons the major manufacturers charge more for their products is the large spares packages they maintain with the bikes they retail. Of the voge and cfmoto dealers I’ve spoken to not one had any spares , this then makes the insurance premiums higher as they are costed as a total loss premium due to no possibility to repair. This has happened with Chinese cars. The bikes themselves are indeed very good although they are using the association of bmw etc to aid sales, but it must be noted that bmw don’t get there engines made in China because they are good but just because it’s cheap to do so, that’s business sense. All il advise buyers is to just don’t drop it as insurance will right it of .
This is changing as we speak, you write that like it will never happen ! These are relatively new bikes, besides, there's a ton of cheap parts for these bikes if you know where to look... I'm old enough to have heard all this nonsense with Japanese then Korean vehicles.....
This is an F850GS with different plastics, for about £6K less. I’m surprised BMW allowed Loncin to basically replicate the bike under one of their own brands but it looks identical quality (the engine, exhaust, swingarm, wheels and brakes look identical) plus all the extra features and touratech copy luggage is a bit mad really.
@@MH-xd2nd The irony is so many of the big Western brand names have bought this upon themselves by getting China to build so many parts for them on the cheap, including major components like engines. The Chinese saw an opportunity and took it - who can blame them, they’re no fools.
Once again very tempting. Great review I think you have covered all bases. Do you think you could manage a 400 mile journey on that seat with barely so much as a five minute stop ?
Hi it rides better ...alot more equipment cruise quick shifter etc...and much more power But the 702 is still great 👍 and alot cheaper Best wishes mark
I've noticed these a lot in Spain where l spend a lot of time. Is Voge an actual company or a marketing name? What is the guaranteed length of parts supply? Who does the quality control & sign offs?
I guess that by working with Chinese manufacturers BMW and the like have taught them how to integrate quality control into what they do. So I suppose it will just depend on how much Voge work on building a good reputation going forward.
i have this bike like for 2 months and 4.000km i have latest sofware update blind spot workg 10 of 10 no false recognition or no recognition at all ,work just great
No dealers in Scotland and Voge are impossible to contact. Shame as I was all set to pull the trigger on this one, particularly the Black Knight finish.
Hi MP great video as always! Any chance you could ask pool moto about a lowering kits availability? I have a 29 inseam so I would just need it lowered a small amount etc. If they do im seriously interested in this bike. Regards Rob
Hi Mark, this bike has really peeked my interest, not sure if it has enough power for 2 up touring, what do you think?. For the price and for wha you get for your money, it's very impressive.
@@BigJock0 Hi for 2 up touring it has more than enough power...it's torque is very impressive to say the least...it rides superbly much the same as a BMW f900 GS Highly recommend it 🙂 Best wishes mark
Western companies with expensive high end products realise that by using cheaper Chinese factories to build their products then they can make a LOT more profit. The problem is that the Chinese versions of the same products aren’t even copies anymore as they make the original BMW/KTM etc. ones anyway and can sell at a fraction of the price.
I’ve just traded the Voge 650 for the 900….it was the obvious transition. The 650 was 2 1/2 years old, ridden in all weathers, it scrubbed up well, the dealer was impressed and gave me a generous p/ex figure which came as a huge surprise. I stripped the 650 when I first bought it and checked it thoroughly and it compares favourably with any Japanese or European comparable model. I have a Tenere World Raid, again 2 1/2 years old and that engine is smooth but lacks the grunt of the 900 and of course lacks the gadgets and more expensive. We use Loncin engines in many of our small commercial machines, work them hard, change oil frequently and they keep on going, yet to have one fail. The 650 was a gamble purchase that paid off, great fun bike, had many big thumpers over the years, if you worked the motor on the twisties it was a real hoot, you really can throw it around. Not had the opportunity as yet to put the 900 through it’s paces as I’m a traditionalist and bed the engine and gearbox in gradually but it surprises you….just wants to go. Suggest you have a test ride, speak to other owners and then decide. The residual value is never great on anything that doesn’t costs a great deal to begin with. Best selling bike in Spain right now, long waiting list. Voge…the new Honda.
Did you ask them how easy it is to get spare parts for the Voge in case of breakdown or accident? I've heard of dealers saying "we'll cross that bridge when we come to it" and of sky-high insurance premiums because of lack of available parts.
Hi it's basically a BMW f900 sharing many parts so shouldn't be a problem Consumables like brake pads chains etc are easy off the shelf items Cheers mark
Nice video, its a nice bike with way too many good components and good engine. the big problem is the residual value and depreciation quite compared to Japanese motorcycles, CF engine same issues. what do you think? Anyway great video Be safe
Hi it's them same engine as bmw f850/900 gs so reliability is good 👍 Regarding depreciation... It's relative buy 9k sell , 5 k after a few years Bmw buy new 15:k sell 10 k after a few years if you catch my meaning Best wishes mark
9K New less 20% Vat the second it leaves the showroom = £7200 after 2years you would be lucky to see 4K and as its Chonk that's more likely to be 3k that's if its not rusted to death if used in winter
@markpulling12 most consumers buy a reliable Japanese motorcycle when buying a used one, so a second-hand Honda is not that big of a difference from a new one. if you want to ride this Voge completely, that could be a good option, but trading it in after 3 or 4 years leaves nothing, I think!
tbh if you plan to run mostly on the road and have around 10k (and more) I wouldn't understand why you would not go for those Voge ? It's a BMW fully equiped with half the BMW price tag. :3 (I do love my 800DE for being more versatile but I would kill for the cruise control, the heating grips and seat, the fog lights, the adjustable windshield, etc. :D )
Zero aftermarket support, horrid resale value/depreciation, not the easiest to get parts just to name a few. There's a reason why these bikes are so cheap.
@@kugangles9860 not worst than Italian bikes for the support and the parts. The resale value isn't good because people aren't yet used to Chinese bikes and reacts defiantly just as you did. Nobody questions Japanese bikes nowadays. If you plan to ride only one year you can lease it if you fear the depreciation.
@@kugangles9860 not worst than Italian bikes for the support and the parts. The resale value isn't good because people aren't yet used to Chinese bikes and reacts defiantly just as you did. Nobody questions Japanese bikes nowadays. If you plan to ride only one year you can lease it if you fear the depreciation.
Great review Mark! I can feel your enthusiasm on this one! No doubt most of the other manufacturers need to take note, but most importantly, it is us, the consumers, that have to start buying these machines. Perhaps that'll wake them up a bit! Cheers, Ray.
The pace at which new and more tech laden bikes are being released is bewildering, seems like everything is out of date as it is released. This is one of the most important bikes in 50 years, blows everyone else out of the water. Even the CF moto 800 is thousands more.... And in black this Voge looks really good.
With the depreciation on these I would not buy one new. Even though it appears good value when compared to similar bikes. Truth is they're all stupidly overpriced. I'll certainly be on the lookout when these are 1/2 years old and selling for 5/6k! Do with they were a little lighter though.
Good luck with getting parts though - the Chinese brands have a habit of throwing it at a wall until it sticks - so lots of exploratory new models with no backup/spares.
@@rajsmith9855 Yes they have a long way to go to improve their dealer networks but have seen improvements in recent years. Bike shop near me specialises in low capacity chinese models.
if this is a BMW engine badged up as voge BMW Will be getting a licence to use fee .i saw this bike at poole moto in the showroom and i must admit i was a bit overwhelmed by the presence / size of it i am 6ft tall and ride a T120 , still a lot of bike for the money and as others have said other manufactures take note of the standard spec .
these are great and the cf 800 mt but i rather buy a vstrom 650 new and it has not those gimmicks but atleast i know that bike will make 100,000 plus kilometers the chinese bikes i think not
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Japanese and especially European manufacturers really need to get their stuff together. Bike prices have gone absolutely mental the last few years and they are going to get decimated by the Chinese bike industry the next decade if they don't adjust.
Try getting spares in a couple of years time
Same with the EV car industry.
Even has right angled tyre valves too - very well thought out bike. Looking forward to seeing it in the flesh soon.
To put this bike into perspective at 9k fully loaded, the MV Agusta Endro 950 veloce is 20k with nothing, not even tubeless wheels. European manufacturers need a wake up pill. Until now we had the excellent lawn mower power output Royal Endfields, this Voge is in another league with power and tech.
The MV has tubeless wheels
@magaudion They don't look tubless, the spokes go inside the wheel,unless they have a bladder like KTM use,
@@checker3694 you are right. European bikes are getting too expensive. I ride my second BMW and must admitt am very satisfied with the performances, quality, durability ( I rode my 1st BMW almost 100k km with no problems at all. Just regular maintenence and tires. Same with second one for last 4 years). Not to mention excellent service. But the prices are well over 20%+ compared with the year 2020☹️☹️
@VesnaLambic Agree, the only thing keeping the 20k plus bike market alive in Europe is the PCP purchase plan, where people are in reality only renting there bike for 3 years, and to own it after 3 years they purchase the other half of its trade in value.Look at US market, where there is no PCP $100K Plus jeeps Grand Cherokees are growing moss in dealers, people can't afford 3 to 4 k a month repayments, on vehicles that are 45% over priced finance is now 8 years there.. The US consumer has awoken finally.
@@checker3694 In Portugal people take a 12 yr HP deal to pay for cars, bikes, tele, everything. Sad world we live in, pay cash or walk away.
I had mine just under a week here in the UK and I love it rides amazingly I traded my CBR in for it and I'm so glad I did. Hold the mode button down for a few seconds and you get enduro mode that switches off abs and traction control
@@pauldobbo thanks Paul glad you love it.... I see why it rides superbly
Thanks for the Enduro mode update
Cheers mark
@@markpulling12 also when the fog lights are off then when you indicate that side fog lights will come on to light the way that your turning great video by the way 👍
Or is everyone being caught up in the hype?
@@rajsmith9855 not atall take one on a test ride and find out for yourself
@@pauldobboI already have a 2020 cb500x so don’t need another bike, but the TH-camrs are just part of the marketing and of course big up the bikes they have been lent which earns them money - definitely not impartial as they do not consider residual costs, spares availability nor manufacturing conditions and costs. Mark even says that the lights are good at night but has never tested them at night - they just look like they should be good.
My son lives just round the corner from Poole Moto now.
Next time I’m down from Kent I’ll be looking in the showroom and throwing my leg over it. Great review Mark. 👌
Lots of ACF50 and you cant go wrong! Its history repeating its self, great Vid 👍
Great review Mark! It's definitely a shame this brand isnt available here in Australia.
They would definitely give some competition to CFmoto in some of the models since they also have similar models in China that ive seen.
Thanks again.
Thanks Steve yes I know you like cfmoto... This bike is going to be a great seller 😁 cheers mark
Hi Steve from Kiewa 3691. Considering we're one of the nearest markets to China, it's more than a big surprise that there's no importer for this very impressive machine.
WOW! That's phenomenal value for money and such a high spefication too. I wonder how easy it will be to fix it in 5 years time. Hopefully an OBD2 reader will be all you need rather than any manufaqcturer specific diagnostic tools. It even looks much nicer than the current GS's and I'm a GS owener 😎
Thanks yes it rides like on a magic carpet and that engine is ace
I'm sure it is just an obd reader
Cheers mark
A brilliant review on this very promising new Voge 900 X. Looking forward to seeing out on the road.
Makes me laugh, keyless entry on a bike 🤣😂. I have little to no interest in tech but I do like the blind spot detection. Excellent review as always from MP.
@@stewy62 new BMW GS 1300 has it. And adjustable radar cruise control as well 👍
Another top review Mark. Let’s be perfectly honest here - this IS a BMW F900GS just in different clothes. The Chinese are now doing what some of the big car manufacturers did 20 years ago and just building lots of different brands under one big roof. If I had the choice of this or the Beemer at twice the price, fully specced up, it would be a complete no brainer. The West really needs to wake up and either create some really good bikes at fair prices for their brand or start rethinking whether they should be building bikes at all. I’ve always supported the big name manufacturers over the best decades of my riding years, but the value and spec of these machines can no longer be mocked or ignored entirely.
Thanks great comment....yes you'd definitely think you were riding the BMW f900gs
Cheers mark
Great review Mark, what amazing value and spec! 👏😀👍🏍
Incredible value for money! I really like this, decent amount of power too for relaxed touring, great review Mark 👍
Excellent value, showcased once again on yet another product hailing from the Orient. As many on here have stated, the European manufacturers need to take heed. You ADV advocates out there certainly are now spoilt for choice. This bike is amazing value.
Good work once again, Mark.
Great review as usual, I’ve bought one already and love it stop thinking about it and buy one👍🏻
If only life was that straightforward….
Great review, it gets better the more you ride it, I'm at 4K it's definitely broke the bike market here in Spain. Number 1 selling bike here ,✌️
Hi thanks again 😁 for your help 😊
Cheers mark
@@markpulling12No Problem Mark, I've just done my throttle reset again from my earlier video it had gone a bit jerky again . Smooth as butter. Also I have just made a DSX essential tips video uploaded today. Ride safe mate. ✌️
@@motechRevolution thanks yes I saw your new video... Many thanks 👍
It's a winner for sure! Great review Mark! Cheers!
Lovely bike and review. I laughed halfway through cos there was a chap on a mobility scooter and I realised that’s what’s missing. You’ve done electric bikes, even a hoverboard. I just imagined a mobility scooter review!!! 😂
I agree you need to tap into that market looking forward to your first review on one😂
I really chuckled when I read this comment, but you may have just given someone an idea 😂😂
Wow, these Chinese bikes just keep surprising me. You can't beat the value too. 😮. Another great video.👍
Back in the early to mid 90s bikes were held to 100bhp by some agreement. At that time I had a gsx1100g, a shaft bike that made 100bhp. It genuinely didn't feel lacking in power because it was tuned for torque. Torque you feel as pulling power and it's far more useful than chasing revs to make 200bhp. This looks like a great bike
Brilliant review Mark
Poole moto are delivering mine next week 😁
Great choice Graham 😄
Great review, Mark! Answered all of my queries. Certainly, a lot of bike for the money and with comparable BMW traits. Makes my top list of a potential purchase. Cheers.
This is an amazing deal! And especially with all those specs. (In fact, you forgot one for the UK release: Honk the horn, and she plays "Hail Britannica"!) ;) Great review, Mark!
That is a nice looking 👀 bike and what a deal breaker fully loaded including 3 case luggage and quick shifter at £9000 that is amazing just one thing it’s Chinese I know we all have things that are made with something Chinese in the build but a whole bike I think it needs a year or two to see how they go if ok then why not ride safe mate
The possibilities with this bike are endless, amazing how such stuff as cruise control is included at this price, why can't the main 4 achieve this. Lets face it loads of bike are made in china, India and the like these days.. are we paying for the brand or the ride. As bikes for most of us are toys this is a great option 😅 money in the tank and trips not on payments.. fabulous review as always Mark.. our only ? Is how it will cope with the British weather 😅... Thanks Mark amazing as always 🎉❤ x
Thanks Martine ☺️ yes these Chinese bikes are fast taking over now ... Such great value for money 💰 x
The big 4 ,have been having us away with the numbers for to long ,but the big red needs to drop this bike to 3k coz resale is 500qiud after 2years ,looks a real trauma tool
I was just looking for reviews on this machine! Nice one, Mark 👍
Thanks... This bike is great value and very well equipped
Cheers mark
Another great video Mark. Great bike at amazing price with loads of extras.
Looks great value, top quality review as always Mark, I seen another reviewer in Spain complaining about serious engine heat on these. Maybe a good thing in our avg weather!
@@roadwarrior8560 hi thanks yes I saw that as well... But didn't notice any heat on my test ride in our cooler climate:)
Cheers mark
He changed the gel seat back to standard and no longer complains about heat.
Incredible value for money. I can see the grim reaper hanging over the Japanese motorcycles industry unless they wake up. Lovely looking bike and spec superb. These will be 2nd hand bargains.
90bhp with fat torque is superb on road performance
Hi 😊... Yes the torque on this engine is superb.. .from 3 k upwards you wouldn't really need anymore
Cheers mark
Awesome Mark.. looks great amazing price.. and seems pretty much the same as a GS850.. great review as always buddy 😊 Pete
Thanks Pete 😁
Been waiting for this one! Mcn probably wont do a review due to their Chinese bias.
Really? What is the evidence of their unfair bias?
@@rajsmith9855 how many reviews have you seen in 3 years on there about 5 how many Chinese bikes have come out since then 1000s
Thanks for another great test Mark.
For this genre of bike, it looks very good. It's got a good engine, as well. Nice gold, cross-spoke wheels taking tubeless tyres.
Excellent video, Mark. Nick [they've changed my username back to 1990, plus a bit]
Hi Nik thanks yes these are selling very well 😀
Cheers mark
This is the same engine as in my F800gs but of course mine is down on power as BMW sells it in two versions F900gs and F800gs. That engine is a peach and i am currently touring Spain on it getting 78mpg. Mine is specced up and cost just over Twelve grand but that doesn't include the adjustable windscreen and the pannier were just over a grand. Great value for money and i am sure whoever buys it will love it. Great review Mark
@@nigelwyatt1408 thanks Nigel .. these engines are super economical amazing considering their power
Cheers mark
not an adv or chinese bike fan .,, but have been watching voge for a while now , and they seem to be the best out there ;;
A lot of bike for your money. Also a lot what can go wrong. I’m going sit on the fence with this one see how they review in years time with a few miles on them.
Well, they have been on the continent for a year now and seem to have no problems so far.
Been waiting for this review!
This bike is one of the best bang for buck bike.
Thanks yes agree 💯 so well equipped cheers mark
There’s a reason for that
Great review as always mark. This really is a very appealing bike.
@@BrendanHayes1957 thanks Brendan I was truly amazed at how well it rides 😀
It seems from the comments I am getting on my channel that the same thing is now happening in the UK with this bike, now only blind orders taken for pre order, I'm guessing you guys will be the same as the rest of Europe, a 3 month plus wait for your bike. VOGE have achieved what the wanted with The DSX 900 a global market change. It was a huge gamble producing a motorbike at nearly cost, but VOGE have arrived.
Until you need spares or a warranty claim
@@rajsmith9855 full dealer network here in Spain for the last 5 years it’s an established brand here. I don’t think parts will be a problem, engine BMW, electrics Bosch , forks KYB, brembro brakes all
Off the shelf. Plus 5 years guarantee 😉
@@motechRevolution How much are the costing in Spain?
@@roadwarrior8560 €8888 plus €300 on road charges
@@rajsmith9855…..Correct! I queried the service intervals with the selling dealer who didn’t know but relied on the ecu and it said 3098 after the first service which is just plain stupid. I contacted the importer twice by email for confirmation and to date, over a month they have yet to acknowledge let alone reply. When I contacted them by telephone regarding the latest software update and service intervals I was told to contact the dealer…..they didn’t want to know or even talk to me.
The dealers are also having difficulty with warranty claims, MotoGb are ignoring them also. It doesn’t bode well, whether Voge are aware of this unprofessional incompetence by MotoGb is yet to be confirmed.
On that basis, whilst the 900 is a truly great machine for the price, service intervals at 3000 miles, unable to update the software to the latest 4.4 version and the authorised importer providing little if any after sales service, it is difficult to encourage anyone to buy one.
I have a Tenere World Raid, another great motorcycle, dealers in every town, oem and aftermarket parts readily available, confirmed warranty and sensible service intervals. Food for thought.
Excellent review yet again!
As a new Transalp owner (18,400 kms in, and still loving it) I am staggered at the specs and price of this thing. Begs the question; how do they do it? Can't help wondering where these manufacturers, and their Japanese competitors, will be in five years or so.
But that depends entirely on western acceptance of Chinese bikes, and that may take a little longer. How long can they keep offering these bikes at these prices, all Brembos and tubeless rims, if we aren't buying them? Our acceptance will depend on longer-term ride reports, and the establishment (or not) of independent dealerships. At the moment of course they tend to be additions to more established makes.
This Voge is a little heavy, but then has SO MUCH by way of options, it's no wonder. So at this point we all just have to 'keep an open mind' and see where this goes. I notice the odd CFMoto turning up at our bike gatherings, and they have taken over a large part of the Honda dealership I bought my Transalp from. Our world is changing.
CFMOTO/KTM engines are a big let down, cam shaft woes?
Try changing the air filter on your transalp! nightmare.
These Voge look a hell of a deal.
@@roadwarrior8560 Oh look - yes, they offer amazing value - no question. That is why I wondered (above) how long they can keep the prices so low - it seems economically temporary, just by virtue of the need to make a profit to continue. I have actually been following these offerings (along with the Kove 800) as they come onto the market, and am totally blown away by what they can offer for the price.
As to the Transalp's air filter? You will get no argument from me there! I fitted a K&N around 12,000 kms, and have barely got over it yet, now over 19,000 kms... I counted 10 x panels, and roughly 50 x fasteners to remove! It took me a VERY long time, working methodically (being the first time) and yes - it was ridiculous. But it will be easier next time, and it must be said that the original (dry paper) filter was surprisingly clean, after so many dirt miles, so hopefully I won't have to clean it too often.
Great value for money. As a good test give it to Freddie Dobbs to take it to Africa. Great review as always.
Very good, only downside is this isn't the type of bike I'm much interested in! It's equivalent to most 4 wheeler SUVs, and very few will take them anywhere beyond short gravel tracks. Now a decent tourer with some wind protection and much of this spec, more of a better looking competitor to the nt1100, and I'd look closer.
( Admittedly Voge seem to be all about off road if only in style, but still ... )
As always, only pros, no cons. Another "great" review.
@@siurdna thanks 👍 if you can find something bad about this bike I'm all ears :)
Best wishes mark
Very interesting video and I’m really impressed with the voge
Japanese bikes are good but for year they really have not changed much like cars most cars come with satellite navigation you don't get it unless you buy a BMW GS, but this has everything under 9 grand even dash cam front and rear and with a proven BMW engine unbelievable value I know what I would buy all day long no brainer the Japanese got to concerned,
and a lot of bikes are made In China and India don't understand the issues these days, great review Mark 👍
@@markbrimecome3309 thanks yes this is now going to set a standard for price /equipment...it could be a very exciting future for bikes from china
Cheers mark
This or the Honda Transalp. Both really there to do the same job! In the spec nearest to the Voge the Honda would be £2-3k more.
I think my vote would have to be the Voge!
Thanks for your excellent test Mark. Your tests are always good. As for this bike I just wish I’d had LESS tech. Far far too much tech and gadgets and menus and screens puts me right off. If there was a version with no TFT and an analogue dial Speedo I might be tempted. Biking for me is a simple uncomplicated experience… too much tech spoils that. Other opinions are available though.. that’s just mine. Thanks for your video.. it’s was an interesting watch.
Thanks Duncan 😁 always appreciated 👍
Great review Mark thank you!
Thanks glad you liked it 😁
Great bike :)
Dealers dealers dealers...for people to accept this and put it on the 'for consideration' list they need a serious convenient dealer network with show rooms so any customer can actually see and touch them with servicing and parts network to match..I have no issues with it being made in china I'm beyond brand snobbery now at my age. £8+9k you'd be mad not to consider it.
Excellent, very tempted...soon❤
G'day Mark, next year I'm doing a top end tour of Australia with some mate and all are taking Advantage bikes with high capacity engines, l am still looking for the one l will take and this machine fit the bill, it come with the lot excellent, power on tap, look great, affordable price, it will be a 15,000 km trip over 3 months so the seat has to be the best. Cheers mate, Neil 🤠.
Unfortunately, this brand isn't represented here in Aus. Shame. You might look into CFmoto 800MT Advanced model. These are available here in Aus.
Many thanks again Neil 😄
Thought you were going to like it when you did the unboxing glad it didn’t disappoint! An interesting dilemma for anyone considering a bike in this category Tracer, Tiger 900, 750 GS etc all £5-£6k more in most cases for considerably less bike. Once the dealer network expands this lot are going to take over the world!
@@clivegoodman1149 definitely Clive there is a huge choice in this category and these bikes are getting better and better 😁
Best wishes mark
@@markpulling12 must say I do really like your reviews, you always pull out the positives even when the aspects of the bikes are sub-par and your style is really easy to watch. You’ve definitely helped me make choices over the years, just wish I’d seen this before I shelled out £15k on the Tracer 🤣
@@clivegoodman1149 many thanks Clive ... The tracer is amazing... I had one a year ago 9gt
Cheers mark
Grab a bargain now…they won’t stay at this price
@@hectorshouse7348 afraid although it’s a rational argument that they will I can’t see them selling if they cost more than this. £9,000 is a paradigm that is so difficult to cross for manufacturers. They need more agents, a better network and probably adaptive cruise to justify a higher price.
Potentially ticks all boxes at a great price, but does it have backlit switch gear?
Looks great at great price! With everything you need! Where other makes ? Add extras to all bits! Really good video! Only trouble where I live ! No mechanics will touch or work on a Chinese bike! Hope that changes
Why not? They arent any different
@@christopherpekel6096 The mechanics disagree! They say cheap parts badly made bikes! And most I have spoken too will not touch them? Only work on Japanese bikes!!
@@johnterry804 they're not very smart. They obviously think that all Chinese bikes are cheap Amazon pit bike specials.
That's their loss
This seems to be an American thing, as here in Australia mechanics are obviously more competent and happy to work on anything
Most of them now know there's good brands in china
We have had them here for longer, so I guess that's why
I can see this selling by the bucket load - in this current economic climate the price is just too good to miss!!!
I think the issue most people seem to overlook, is the total lack of spares availability for voge and for that matter cfmoto, one of the reasons the major manufacturers charge more for their products is the large spares packages they maintain with the bikes they retail. Of the voge and cfmoto dealers I’ve spoken to not one had any spares , this then makes the insurance premiums higher as they are costed as a total loss premium due to no possibility to repair. This has happened with Chinese cars. The bikes themselves are indeed very good although they are using the association of bmw etc to aid sales, but it must be noted that bmw don’t get there engines made in China because they are good but just because it’s cheap to do so, that’s business sense.
All il advise buyers is to just don’t drop it as insurance will right it of .
This is changing as we speak, you write that like it will never happen ! These are relatively new bikes, besides, there's a ton of cheap parts for these bikes if you know where to look... I'm old enough to have heard all this nonsense with Japanese then Korean vehicles.....
This is an F850GS with different plastics, for about £6K less. I’m surprised BMW allowed Loncin to basically replicate the bike under one of their own brands but it looks identical quality (the engine, exhaust, swingarm, wheels and brakes look identical) plus all the extra features and touratech copy luggage is a bit mad really.
@@MH-xd2nd The irony is so many of the big Western brand names have bought this upon themselves by getting China to build so many parts for them on the cheap, including major components like engines. The Chinese saw an opportunity and took it - who can blame them, they’re no fools.
Is a BMW by any other name less sweet ? It would appear not . Great review Mark.
Once again very tempting. Great review I think you have covered all bases.
Do you think you could manage a 400 mile journey on that seat with barely so much as a five minute stop ?
Hi ... I think 400 miles is possible but you would need a few rest stops 😉
Cheers mark
So much for America, having freedom of choice
Biden vs trump
Simply stunning
Thanks 👍 yes it's amazing 🤩
Not that chimney for an exhaust
I would remove the indicated speeding .lol 🚔🚔 Looks like a nice bike. Interested to see how it copes with winter
hello Mark, great video again.....😀how does the 900dsx compare to the benelli trk 702x?
Hi it rides better ...alot more equipment cruise quick shifter etc...and much more power
But the 702 is still great 👍 and alot cheaper
Best wishes mark
Finaly!!! Is it the same filling as a BMW? Thank you so much!
Hi yes same engine as the f900gs
Cheers mark
I've noticed these a lot in Spain where l spend a lot of time. Is Voge an actual company or a marketing name? What is the guaranteed length of parts supply? Who does the quality control & sign offs?
Hi voge is a subsidiary company of loncin ...a huge company...2 year warranty
Thanks mark
An absolute bargain at that price.. Rubber stamped approval Mark. Very good video...
Many thanks 👍
I guess that by working with Chinese manufacturers BMW and the like have taught them how to integrate quality control into what they do. So I suppose it will just depend on how much Voge work on building a good reputation going forward.
How well does the blind spot recognition work, do the lights in the mirrors work well
i have this bike like for 2 months and 4.000km i have latest sofware update blind spot workg 10 of 10 no false recognition or no recognition at all ,work just great
Hi Mark, how does it compare to the Benelli 702X when running through the twisties?
Hi Paul ... The ride quality is better .. it feels a premium machine... But through the corners the Benelli would definitely keep up
Cheers mark
@@markpulling12 just out of interest, have you ridden the Guzzi Stelvio?!? I tested one but the brakes were SO sharp I couldnt get on with it.
Great video thanks what’s the warranty & service int like
Hi ....6 k miles and 2 years
Cheers mark
No dealers in Scotland and Voge are impossible to contact. Shame as I was all set to pull the trigger on this one, particularly the Black Knight finish.
Poole Moto would deliver to your door just to let know:) 😁
not available in Canada I'm guessing. value for money for sure ,but its reliability and longevity that counts
Excellent review
Mate love your videos watching them from Bangladesh just wanted to ask a question will you review zontes hyper trail 125 in future😊
Hi it's on my channel 😁
Hi MP great video as always! Any chance you could ask pool moto about a lowering kits availability? I have a 29 inseam so I would just need it lowered a small amount etc. If they do im seriously interested in this bike. Regards Rob
Hi bob will do ...but you could try the forums and Facebook groups for an instant answer
Cheers mark
Hi Mark, this bike has really peeked my interest, not sure if it has enough power for 2 up touring, what do you think?. For the price and for wha you get for your money, it's very impressive.
@@BigJock0 Hi for 2 up touring it has more than enough power...it's torque is very impressive to say the least...it rides superbly much the same as a BMW f900 GS
Highly recommend it 🙂
Best wishes mark
You wanna check out the other 15 Chinese models they look great
That's one helluva bike for that money 👍
Never heard of them. But it is a good looking bike.
Hi mark. Dos it comes with luggage in the price
@@craiglydon8840 hi Craig yes I did show pic and mention at the beginning
Cheers mark
Western companies with expensive high end products realise that by using cheaper Chinese factories to build their products then they can make a LOT more profit. The problem is that the Chinese versions of the same products aren’t even copies anymore as they make the original BMW/KTM etc. ones anyway and can sell at a fraction of the price.
The big Question here Mark is would you put your hard earned cash down and buy one?
@@Tidgeontour yes definitely but I've got two great bikes at the moment... So not yet :)
I’ve just traded the Voge 650 for the 900….it was the obvious transition. The 650 was 2 1/2 years old, ridden in all weathers, it scrubbed up well, the dealer was impressed and gave me a generous p/ex figure which came as a huge surprise. I stripped the 650 when I first bought it and checked it thoroughly and it compares favourably with any Japanese or European comparable model.
I have a Tenere World Raid, again 2 1/2 years old and that engine is smooth but lacks the grunt of the 900 and of course lacks the gadgets and more expensive.
We use Loncin engines in many of our small commercial machines, work them hard, change oil frequently and they keep on going, yet to have one fail.
The 650 was a gamble purchase that paid off, great fun bike, had many big thumpers over the years, if you worked the motor on the twisties it was a real hoot, you really can throw it around. Not had the opportunity as yet to put the 900 through it’s paces as I’m a traditionalist and bed the engine and gearbox in gradually but it surprises you….just wants to go.
Suggest you have a test ride, speak to other owners and then decide.
The residual value is never great on anything that doesn’t costs a great deal to begin with.
Best selling bike in Spain right now, long waiting list.
Voge…the new Honda.
Did you ask them how easy it is to get spare parts for the Voge in case of breakdown or accident? I've heard of dealers saying "we'll cross that bridge when we come to it" and of sky-high insurance premiums because of lack of available parts.
Hi it's basically a BMW f900 sharing many parts so shouldn't be a problem
Consumables like brake pads chains etc are easy off the shelf items
Cheers mark
Give it shaft drive and they would have a top seller
This bike have the same rims as the Kove from Japan, similar to BMW.
And really, 235 kg, that a lot compared to tthe Kove 800 with the same 95 hp.
Nice video, its a nice bike with way too many good components and good engine. the big problem is the residual value and depreciation quite compared to Japanese motorcycles, CF engine same issues. what do you think?
Anyway great video
Be safe
If Jap bike depreciates at 35/40% and the Voge is 50 you’re still quids in. Remember the phrase jap crap and now look.
Hi it's them same engine as bmw f850/900 gs so reliability is good 👍
Regarding depreciation... It's relative buy 9k sell , 5 k after a few years
Bmw buy new 15:k sell 10 k after a few years if you catch my meaning
Best wishes mark
Exactly, depreciation is pro rata. If you managed to nab one of these lightly used that'd help to offset it.
9K New less 20% Vat the second it leaves the showroom = £7200 after 2years you would be lucky to see 4K and as its Chonk that's more likely to be 3k that's if its not rusted to death if used in winter
@markpulling12
most consumers buy a reliable Japanese motorcycle when buying a used one, so a second-hand Honda is not that big of a difference from a new one. if you want to ride this Voge completely, that could be a good option, but trading it in after 3 or 4 years leaves nothing, I think!
Are these half the price of a BMW 900 GS in the UK? In Norway they are only 20-25 % cheaper than the 900 GS…
The same spec f900gs in the UK is about £14 k ...but maybe more ..you have to configure it on the BMW website
Cheers mark
Hi. What about engine heat?
Hi it was about 15 c when I was riding it and I didn't notice any heat
Cheers mark
@@markpulling12not exactly hot then
tbh if you plan to run mostly on the road and have around 10k (and more) I wouldn't understand why you would not go for those Voge ? It's a BMW fully equiped with half the BMW price tag. :3 (I do love my 800DE for being more versatile but I would kill for the cruise control, the heating grips and seat, the fog lights, the adjustable windshield, etc. :D )
Zero aftermarket support, horrid resale value/depreciation, not the easiest to get parts just to name a few. There's a reason why these bikes are so cheap.
@@kugangles9860 not worst than Italian bikes for the support and the parts. The resale value isn't good because people aren't yet used to Chinese bikes and reacts defiantly just as you did. Nobody questions Japanese bikes nowadays. If you plan to ride only one year you can lease it if you fear the depreciation.
@@kugangles9860 not worst than Italian bikes for the support and the parts. The resale value isn't good because people aren't yet used to Chinese bikes and reacts defiantly just as you did. Nobody questions Japanese bikes nowadays. If you plan to ride only one year you can lease it if you fear the depreciation.
More technology means complexity and more to go wrong.
Price is pretty near to a Suzuki VStrom800 .
Not sure if i would go for Chinese then.
Great review Mark! I can feel your enthusiasm on this one! No doubt most of the other manufacturers need to take note, but most importantly, it is us, the consumers, that have to start buying these machines. Perhaps that'll wake them up a bit! Cheers, Ray.
Hi Ray thanks yes people are definitely realizing that these bikes are becoming more mainstream now ... I can't wait 😍
Cheers mark
The pace at which new and more tech laden bikes are being released is bewildering, seems like everything is out of date as it is released. This is one of the most important bikes in 50 years, blows everyone else out of the water. Even the CF moto 800 is thousands more.... And in black this Voge looks really good.
With the depreciation on these I would not buy one new. Even though it appears good value when compared to similar bikes. Truth is they're all stupidly overpriced. I'll certainly be on the lookout when these are 1/2 years old and selling for 5/6k! Do with they were a little lighter though.
Good luck with getting parts though - the Chinese brands have a habit of throwing it at a wall until it sticks - so lots of exploratory new models with no backup/spares.
@@rajsmith9855 Yes they have a long way to go to improve their dealer networks but have seen improvements in recent years. Bike shop near me specialises in low capacity chinese models.
👍👍
Wow
if this is a BMW engine badged up as voge BMW Will be getting a licence to use fee .i saw this bike at poole moto in the showroom and i must admit i was a bit overwhelmed by the presence / size of it i am 6ft tall and ride a T120 , still a lot of bike for the money and as others have said other manufactures take note of the standard spec .
@@Richard-pe4cx hi thanks loncin make the engine for bmw
Cheers mark
This or the cfmoto explorer?
Both great bikes but this wins for me with its engine.. really good 😊
Cheers mark
Neither
Why?@@rajsmith9855
these are great and the cf 800 mt but i rather buy a vstrom 650 new and it has not those gimmicks but atleast i know that bike will make 100,000 plus kilometers the chinese bikes i think not
CF Moto would get my money primarily because of the Branding. I dont want anything called a Voge.