@@carterg1847 I’m not saying they’re a fake bmw enthusiast. I’m speaking more along the lines of the self righteous bmw people who think their cars are a special edition Ferrari when it’s nothing close to that
I really appreciate the color correction, and how true-to-life the colors are, big applause to the editors, cameramen, and of course James and Thomas (cuz without the cast, there is no show)
Many thanks, to the editor(s) for the Metric to Imperial conversions. Great job by the whole team. Very entertaining, informative, and all-around great video, as usual.
This review nails most people’s thoughts - the M4 CSL is just not special enough. Limited in production numbers doesn’t make it more special, it just makes it rarer and appeals to the people that look at cars as investments. It’s like playing Pokémon red/blue and finding a wild Porygon - rare, but no one wants one to fight with. My money easily goes to a used R8, or saving a bit more for a new winged 992 GT3 which is what I’ve opted for as a G80 M3 owner. Amazing video as usual!
Problem is actually buying a 992 gt3 or a gt4 rs ... you wont find one for less than $250k on the used market. This kinda feels like the m4 gts and that car still only sells for around MSRP.
I agree to an extent. You have to think about who its marketed for the M4 GTS was did do well because it honestly wasn't that far from an M4C all they did was give it a wing and added distilled water to pump the power which a simple flash would do to a normal M4C. M4 CSL however has a weight advantage and its for the track. Lastly how many people even track their track cars? Not many so just like you said the people who buy this will probably buy em and store em.
This channel had to grow on me. I've been so biased towards the old Top Gear that it's hard to accept new personalities but these guys won me over. Subbed
well its reasonably priced , its a little less expensive than a amg gtr and a little slower, and its even less expemnsive than 911 gt3 and a little more slower, but obviously if price is the only thing u look at than u can buy the cheap alternatives like z06 which is ;likely faster than all of these but manufactured at a lesser quality
This is the best car channel on TH-cam. The cinematography, the way they capture the emotion of a car, beyond grateful I get to watch these videos for free.
Lmao the C8 Z06 is lower to the ground than the M4 CSL, lighter, better aero, also C8 looks a million times better than a big 3700 pound car. Thats why Thatdudeinblue said he will NEVER compare a Corvette to a Mustang. Not even the same weight class. A M4 has no business trying to compete on a track with cars that weigh less than 3500lbs. I imagine a C6 Z06 with todays modern tires will corner better than a new M4😂
@@GrimReaper1675 as an owner of a C6 Z06 with PS4 S tires on it, you might be right. What I can say is the C6 z06 is VERRRRRY twitchy when getting aggressive through corners with t/c and s/c off. Even with the modern tires, it almost needs to break traction to feel safe. It might corner as well, but I’m sure the M4 is more confidence inspiring.
@@GrimReaper1675 new z06 weighs about the same as this car. The lightest spec that Caranddriver tested of new z06 weighed 3666 pounds, about the same as this car.
I would definitely go for the m5 cs over this cause the m5 cs isn’t that much slower around a track but is so much more practical and would be a better car for me cause i would want to daily drive it. The m5 cs also looks a lot better.
I believe there is a huge issue with that V8 engine, obviously there are no official reports, so I may be wrong. But I have heard about multiple S63 engine failure. I did not buy M5C simply of the S63, even though the performance must be amazing the fear of the engine dying on me is too much for me :D
I've owned three BMW 4-series, so far, and there's no way I'd pay almost $150k for another one. For that money I'd buy a new Corvette AND a Cybertruck - that covers utility, style and performance. Nothing against people who are willing to pay this, but man, again, I've owned three 4-series, and the entire lure of them was that you got an awesome looking and performing car for like $10k more than a Mustang GT or a Camaro SS. When you're talking like $80-90k more, that's pretty insane. But hey, it's not my money, so spend it however you want, I'll still love seeing these on the road.
The performance is definitely there on this one and that's probably the best I have ever heard the modern turbocharged BMW inline 6 sound from the factory. I wish my M340i sounded as good. Too bad about that price tag though!
Seeing this car it kinda reminds me off the Alfa Romeo Giulia GTAm version. Would be amazing to see a drag race with both cars and see how well they stack up to each other on a track test
Thats exactly the car it should be compared to. Throw the Jaguar Project 8, even the CLK63 AMG Black Series into it. And leave price out of it. Its just a specific type of car.
@@ScullyD-ee9jk agreed. These cars are not just about how fast you can go (and they are fast), but how they make you feel. Why else would one buy a super expensive sports saloon? It's the city / daily driving, NOT the track.
I LOL'd at the price. Not only is that insane but every other car you listed is not only extremely competent but also better looking and sounds much, MUCH better. But hey at least those seats don't look like they have a hearing feature you need a subscription to use on top of the $170K
i’m new to your channel and i really gotta say THANK YOU SO MUCH for making great content. Ever since the OG top gear UK ended, and now that grand tour only does specials, this channel has been filling that void that TG left, that the current Top Gear US and UK just can’t really fill. you guys are awesome!! keep it up!
I have to say that the front looks better with the sportier appearance. It just looks more apropriate on the car this way. This is definitely my favourite of the M3/M4 family.
Except you can't possibly get one for $140k. There was one on the floor when I picked up my 340 this past weekend, and they wanted $50k over list. The sales guys were laughing about people calling and offering $20-25k over list.
When you said the M5, I would always probably go for a 5 series lower power trim than you would. But man I've been in love with the 5 series for decades.. Good call!
The awful exterior and overall lack of "specialness" really puzzle me. I can't see anyone preferring this over a 911 Carrera S let alone C8 Z06. A Mustang Mach 1 also is not only visually more appealing and a great track tool as well, it also has the beautiful V8 noise to accompany the drive. Did I mention that the 718 GT4 resides in that price range too? A track focused, mid engine, naturally aspirated Porsche????
well its faster than a carrera s , and a mach 1 or gt500 around the ring, and i dont think anyone looking for a european sportscar would would ever consider z06 even though its pretty good.The gt4rs is best value for money , its faster than alot of more expensive cars but then again comparing cars based on their prices is stupid
@@7h3th1 And? It's faster than these cars driven by a professional driver. Most people that buy such cars are far away from being professional drivers. The Carrera S is much more prestigious, people will ask what you drive and when you say a 911 they're like "Oh, very nice car. How much did it cost? 120K? Decent price". When you tell them you bought this they'll say "A BMW? For 140K? Is it the M8? No? M4? For that money!? At least it has to look goo...oh my God..." The Mach 1 is much more special, especially here in Europe. It looks gorgeous, has the nice V8 and handles like you wouldn't expect. The 718 GT4 openly competes with the M4 CS as a track car of similar price range of a german manufacturer. So it absolutely makes sense to compare them. And in that comparison the brand new M4 CS can't compete with the GT4 RS which is a bit older too. As for the Z06, people will look at the Corvette being much more desirable than any BMW, especially here in Europe where Corvettes are legendary and rare cars anyway. Not to mention with such an engine
@@DefinitelyNotEmma the performance of a car is very important when u r buying a performance car , more so than what it looks like or what other people think about it. i do not consider people who buy cars for social status or as investments as enthusiasts not to gatekeep but i think you are misunderstanding the reason why enthusiasts by sports car. You are coming off a bit ill informed on this subject and a little bit delusional .Frankly you dont know what you are talking about
I have Black CSL on order and am Still waiting for mine to be built. I already have a 22 M3 Comp X drive so i can live with that on the daily. The CSL will be for Cota, Live 10 mins away from it. I agree though the price is hard to swallow especially when like you said in the review that you don't get a Cage. I'm still excited to drive it when it comes in though regardless!
Yes there is a 5,3 point harness with two ,3 strings for under your arms aroung your chest to streap on your sternum so that those wall-hitting breaks don't make you break against a standard 3 point belt.
Are we not going to talk about the fact the side profile looks more like a 2011 Accord Coupe than the precision tuned German masterpiece she is. I do appreciate the boys hitting on some of its cheap aspects and lackluster comforts given the shocking sticker. All of her flaws aside I love her front and rear fascias. Stunning... Use these fascias designs forms across the fleet.
Just wanted to Point out that the M4 csl should be on the number 5 spot as the ZR1 time is faster. And I was also expecting a surprise race between the csl vs the Alfa GTAm also on the track.❤😪
I don’t think people are appreciating that lap time. This is a front engined, RWD car that is quite heavy despite the weight savings. It is keeping up with and beating some insane sports cars that are built as sports cars from the ground up… to be so close to a race car like the GT3 is absolutely incredible.
@@cedricl.marquard6273 To each their own 🤣. But if you had these two side by side with the M4 drivetrain,HP, torque etc.etc. Everyone would be choosing E46.
Great video as usual! You should do a review on the gt500 with a track pack so we can see how quick it is compared to the other cars you have done lap times on!
James, I absolutely have to say this, you're getting absolutely amazing at drifting around corners!!! Thomas, I absolutely have to say this, you have my highest respect for always being so passionate AND remaining impartial. This car must have been eyes watering for someone who truly loves BMW: the M4 CSL seems to be exactly what a real M car should be, today.
The point made on the rear brakes, they're just pity looking visually, in a car like this... I so agree! And that's the passion and attention to detail I love about these guys!
Looking forward to the M3 version, just a better looking car overall... It's all in the rear quarters for me, the M4 is a BBL where the M3 just got it from her mama. IYKYK
@Ruthlessgod1 free fire name no I get you. Because yeah M5CS is AMAZING, but 99% of people won't even be able to reach the limits of it. So the M550i and M2CS are great choices. And the M4CSL looks way worse than the other 2😂
@@enigmatwist6548 personally i would get a base 911 and save the money. I can’t see myself spending $140k on a juiced m4. That’s for people with Fu*k you money.
@@enigmatwist6548 "a bit more special" More special than a mid engine, naturally aspirated, 6-Cylinder boxer Porsche? Not to mention the GT4 RS also exists, which is an icon in the making
@@DefinitelyNotEmma CSL is certainly much rarer than a GT4 so it's more special in the sense that if those 2 cars turn up together at any event, the CSL will be the one getting all the attention. If the event is in the car park of a race track, that's about as close as most CSLs will ever get to one of those too! There have also been quite a lot of Porsches that fit your description - I drive a mid-engined, naturally aspirated 6-cylinder boxer Porsche too. I regularly park my 981CS next to a 718 GT4 at the local supermarket and honestly they get about the same amount of attention. The GT4 gets more from people like me who know it's worth double mine, but to most people it just looks like a Cayman with a wing. I'd buy a GT4 over a CSL every day of the week though- and for the price people are selling the CSL, you could almost literally do exactly that 😂
@@ApothecaryTerry Your second point contradicts your first point. The CSL wouldn't get any attention anywhere except the most hardcore car communities because it's just a 4 Series with stickers to most people. While the 718 GT4 has side vents, a wing, a Porsche badge and a front air outlet. People would ask if that's a 911 or GT3, because for whatever reason people think GT3 is a model and that Porsche only makes the 911 and Cayenne lol.
I am thrilled to see you two back out on your home track. We need more lap times. We especially need some times for a Lucid, any Lucid. People rave about the handling (and I love how mine handles on twisty mountain roads) but reviews don't count w/o lap times. Hopefully a Sapphire will come and find you. I'll put in a word, for whatever that's worth. Not the ideal car for a short flat track, but let the chips fall where they may. I will never own a BMW with that garish nose. Frankly, I find it insulting that this porcine snout is what they picture when they think of their customers. It's shocking, even more shocking than Thomas mistakenly choosing a Z06 and M5 over a GT4RS. Shocking.
So I could spend 140 grand to get a 3650lb pig that has a stripped interior and carbon fiber seats that have little to no padding in order to go slower than a $65,000 C8 Corvette that has heated and cooled seats and a 14 speaker thousand watt surround system while somehow still being lighter than the CSL.
The problem I see here with this csl brand is the same what amg did with the black series brand, bmw and Mercedes try so hard to cope with Porsche and overdo it somehow. Any gt 3rs might be the better racetrack choice than this M4 csl and gt r black series
@@DubioserAltschauerberger1510 Except the amg black series is actually faster than a Porsche....🤷🏿♂️. Granted it has a price tag to match . The CSL is just a super tuned m3.
The CSL is SOOOOOO much better looking too. That front end is growing on me, but then I saw this and (aside from the 'meh' trim coloring), this is so much better.
I agree that this car looks stunning. That shot at 23:18 makes it look amazing. I wasn't a fan of the new grills but they are growing on me and I think the newer designs are growing into the bigger grill
nah but fr the front end has grown so much on me, I literally cannot look at older m3/m4 models anymore, g82 is the only way to go for me. this car was literally made to be wrapped matte black, especially with the yellow headlights on the CSL
Real world price Comparison (US pricing) all with ceramic brakes and REAL market pricing: M4 CSL: $180k GT4RS: $290K R8 RWD: $220K Z06: $225k The only cars that truly are cheaper: ZL1 and the GT500.
exactly what ive been saying if you look at its performance and compare to other cares around same price it is reasonably priced , price is a primitive way to compare cars but because people are throwing empty complaints i had to do some research
your Z06 is way off. +$100k is what the highly publicized dealers who got publicly shamed by Chevy added, most people are reporting more like $30k market adjustment if not MSRP (which is $106k)
@@papa_pt first of all, that’s way too early to tell as to what the real market adjustment is going to be. Let’s have this conversation around March or April of next year when more of these cars actually going to start coming in. I do believe that my estimate for, these cars, fully loaded, like mine, which is configured at $167,000 USD, it’s going to be right where I put it. I am willing to wait for my car until 2024, and, therefore, I believe that I’m going to be sticker or really close to it but, I do not anticipate for the market to be any less than $50-60k over sticker when they do become available in about 3 to 4 months.
I really want to see the M5 CS vs Lamborghini huracan evo spyder the AWD version. The reason I think the spyder would be a more fair race is because it's a little heavier than the evo coupe version and it's a little closer in weight to the M5 CS, but still lighter 😂 Please guys make it happen it's gonna be perfect because they are very close in hp as well. 640 EVO vs 635 CS 👍
To be fair, if you're inside the M4 then you also don't have to look at the front end 😄 For that money, I'd buy a specced up Panamera to go alongside my 981CS! If we're talking fun cars only though...well, I'd have a Pug 306 GTi-6, an Elise S1, a 981CS and an ND MX-5. Converting from UK prices into USD, that's about $100k, so let's chuck a Mustang (GT, manual) in there as well. At least 2 of those (306 and Elise) can out-fun any M4 by themselves so I'll take the 5 car garage all day...if I had a 5 car garage, or $140k, which I don't. Honestly not sure I'd swap the 981CS by itself for a CSL either though, unless I could sell the CSL, buy the 981 back and keep the change 😁
My boss was designated a CLS by BMW but turned it down for the following reason; Design and lack of attention to details, Torque Converter and... those rear brake caliper for all the money. He got himself a GT3 instead.
For that price tag ,this car is going to be garage queen for most of the rich buyers
This ugly thing ain't no queen, it's a medieval peasant's wife.
Or for the snobby wannabe bmw “enthusiasts”
Like all fancy cars. Someone has to buy them.
@@SIat what makes a person a real bmw enthusiast?
@@carterg1847 I’m not saying they’re a fake bmw enthusiast. I’m speaking more along the lines of the self righteous bmw people who think their cars are a special edition Ferrari when it’s nothing close to that
When thomas Said ”it’s drivnin’ time” i just fell to my knees and started sobbing, truly a national treasure level of video only fit for gods
Fell to your knees, did you?
He also drove all over the place
I loved the part when he said
Truly one of the drives of all time
Wtf!! Calm down lmao it’s just a car
I love how James is progressively becoming a better driver
Is he bad at it?
@@rayhan4502 Huh?
What makes you think he was ever a bad driver wtf?
@@lvloneymaker24 that doesnt mean he's bad. He can still be better, even Verstappen can have room to get better
@@lvloneymaker24 who said that
The production value of Throttle House videos is just insanely good. Congrats to the videographer & editor, you are total pros.
I really appreciate the color correction, and how true-to-life the colors are, big applause to the editors, cameramen, and of course James and Thomas (cuz without the cast, there is no show)
James’s drift at 5:42 oh my GOD. Love to see his progression on the track.
@RepentandbelieveinJesusChristshut up
am I stupid or is the csl with 1.08.64 slower than the zr1 with 1.08.59? Because I think they mixed up the leaderboard at 14:37
I was about to comment this lol. It needs to be #5, below the Zr1.😬
@@Christian.90 yeah they did 😂
The editor Screwed up
Yeah that's our bad. None of us noticed in the final edit. All the times are correct though!
Carson…?
"Is it stunning? I am stunned by it" that got me 😂
I’ll have to pass on looks alone sadly.
I’m stunned they haven’t fixed the weight and front end 😅
In person this looks mean as f**k.. I like it
Many thanks, to the editor(s) for the Metric to Imperial conversions. Great job by the whole team. Very entertaining, informative, and all-around great video, as usual.
M5 CS only TWO second slower with 4 doors full weight and rear seats. Now thats impressive.
This review nails most people’s thoughts - the M4 CSL is just not special enough. Limited in production numbers doesn’t make it more special, it just makes it rarer and appeals to the people that look at cars as investments. It’s like playing Pokémon red/blue and finding a wild Porygon - rare, but no one wants one to fight with. My money easily goes to a used R8, or saving a bit more for a new winged 992 GT3 which is what I’ve opted for as a G80 M3 owner. Amazing video as usual!
Problem is actually buying a 992 gt3 or a gt4 rs ... you wont find one for less than $250k on the used market. This kinda feels like the m4 gts and that car still only sells for around MSRP.
R8 is no good car.
Funny I just made a pokemon-related comment regarding their intro. James needs a Weezing.
im sure you get the old vs new the v10 vs the 6 and not much difference... you should nt pay more to get a compromise ...
I agree to an extent. You have to think about who its marketed for the M4 GTS was did do well because it honestly wasn't that far from an M4C all they did was give it a wing and added distilled water to pump the power which a simple flash would do to a normal M4C. M4 CSL however has a weight advantage and its for the track. Lastly how many people even track their track cars? Not many so just like you said the people who buy this will probably buy em and store em.
You know CSL is a serious deal because TH didn't even put a dramatic intro for this episode! 😷💪
Instead they snuck in the Harrison bit , like Casino Royale and the bathroom gunbarrel.
They normally don’t with the track series.
This channel had to grow on me. I've been so biased towards the old Top Gear that it's hard to accept new personalities but these guys won me over. Subbed
Me too man. Me too grew up on Throttle House.
Same. 100%
Ur flexing that ur not v smart
yeah imagine them in the future all potbellied and with sandpaper skin like C H & M lol.
Either you like cars or you don't
Your reviews are awesome guys! I love the fact you're Canadian and from Ontario too. Keep up the great job!
In Australia, the price is said to be $303,900 AUD. That equates to approx. $193,000 USD.(before on the road costs).
Those CSL taillights and hood are going to be very desirable to G82 M4 owners
Was just wondering if i can get hold of a set…bet they are silly money
There are G82 M4 owners?
@@DefinitelyNotEmma surprisingly yes there’s a couple out there I’d personally go with a G80 M3 🤷🏽♂️😂
@@leolopez626 I live in Germany and since the new M3/M4 came out I've seen like a handful of them, definitely less than 6 overall.
@@leolopez626 The G80 is definitely the lesser evil though, the rear is rather nice, but that front...
I guess you could cover it in tape to hide it
Nothing better than a new Throttle House video in the morning
Yep. And also a TH video in late night.
Facts 💯
At $140k I would say there’s alternatives that look far better. This is touching super car territory for what’s essentially a souped up sedan.
Unless you just want a sedan this is in C8 Z06 territory. That price is bonkers.
I would honestly take a Gt500 carbon fiber track pack over this and save money.🤷🏻♂️
well its reasonably priced , its a little less expensive than a amg gtr and a little slower, and its even less expemnsive than 911 gt3 and a little more slower, but obviously if price is the only thing u look at than u can buy the cheap alternatives like z06 which is ;likely faster than all of these but manufactured at a lesser quality
For that money I want it to look like 140k not some kind of Korean import with aftermarket exterior mods.
Down payment on a house lol
This is the best car channel on TH-cam. The cinematography, the way they capture the emotion of a car, beyond grateful I get to watch these videos for free.
The camera crew and editors really like to shine 3:36 I just love this moment
That slide at 5:40 was amazing!
He nailed it.
Kudos to BMW for still making cars like the M4 CSL
Z4 GT3 and R8 LMS GT3: R WE A JOKE FOR YOU?
@@purwantiallan5089 11 year old cars
@@purwantiallan5089 *Yes.*
Still making ugly grills
@@mikek545 grill is beautiful
I really, really want to see how the new C8 Z06 compares in terms of lap time. Can't wait for that episode.
Lmao the C8 Z06 is lower to the ground than the M4 CSL, lighter, better aero, also C8 looks a million times better than a big 3700 pound car. Thats why Thatdudeinblue said he will NEVER compare a Corvette to a Mustang. Not even the same weight class. A M4 has no business trying to compete on a track with cars that weigh less than 3500lbs. I imagine a C6 Z06 with todays modern tires will corner better than a new M4😂
@@GrimReaper1675 as an owner of a C6 Z06 with PS4 S tires on it, you might be right.
What I can say is the C6 z06 is VERRRRRY twitchy when getting aggressive through corners with t/c and s/c off. Even with the modern tires, it almost needs to break traction to feel safe. It might corner as well, but I’m sure the M4 is more confidence inspiring.
@@GrimReaper1675 Lol I get what youre saying, but the new Z06 ALSO weighs 3700 LBS. So not any lighter than the M4.
@@GrimReaper1675 new z06 weighs about the same as this car. The lightest spec that Caranddriver tested of new z06 weighed 3666 pounds, about the same as this car.
C8Z will walk the CSL on a track. 345s on the back of that Z.
I would definitely go for the m5 cs over this cause the m5 cs isn’t that much slower around a track but is so much more practical and would be a better car for me cause i would want to daily drive it. The m5 cs also looks a lot better.
You know, if you want practicality, it’s BMW M5/M5 Competition. Much better car overall for less money. And much more comfort.
I believe there is a huge issue with that V8 engine, obviously there are no official reports, so I may be wrong. But I have heard about multiple S63 engine failure. I did not buy M5C simply of the S63, even though the performance must be amazing the fear of the engine dying on me is too much for me :D
It was cool seeing you laugh w/joy as you went around the track. Great stuff!
I just love the stuff you guys do, keep up the good work! Btw that color looks so sick.
The color looked too bold in fact.
It's undercoat.
The speed gauge animation after the intro's sealed it for me.
Those clips aren’t him driving😂
@@gurupitka7705 yeah and this comment of yours isn't a human typing, its a dog
Was watching this thing do 1/4 miles and its acceleration throughout is insane.
Wait, it should be slower than the Corvette ZR1 at a 1:08.59 right? Leaderboard shows it faster than that
Yep we got it backwards nice catch!
@@ThrottleHouse hi throttle House. Please review Setsuna Yuki's Audi R18 TDI (Audi Team Joest) 2011 next! Please? From Purwanti Allan.
@@ThrottleHouse the diehard lovelive fan.
I've owned three BMW 4-series, so far, and there's no way I'd pay almost $150k for another one. For that money I'd buy a new Corvette AND a Cybertruck - that covers utility, style and performance. Nothing against people who are willing to pay this, but man, again, I've owned three 4-series, and the entire lure of them was that you got an awesome looking and performing car for like $10k more than a Mustang GT or a Camaro SS. When you're talking like $80-90k more, that's pretty insane. But hey, it's not my money, so spend it however you want, I'll still love seeing these on the road.
My favorite car I had is still e46 M3 CSL. That sound air going in was really special for CSL. Wish I can get this also.
How’d you get a e46 m3 csl ?
Awesome as usual guys. Would love to see all the cars you review do launches from a dig! An outside perspective. Keep up the good work!
I actually love the looks of the M4. It’s the only one I like the kidney grill on. The 2017-22 M2 is my fave modern BMW though.
As a Viper fan it makes me sad that you forgot about it as the only other 1:07 car.
What is a Viper?
@@xxxxxxxxxxxx_xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx an animal that eats corvettes and mustangs
@@tragicnomadic Or something that usually ends up in a ditch or a guardrail 😂. Jk love them too specially ACR.
That's seriously impressive, considering the Viper has been discontinued since 2017.
As a mustang owner, Vipers are some of the sexiest cars out there
Only grips is James didnt hit his head on the roof with a helmet on in the intro. Sensational vid fellas
The performance is definitely there on this one and that's probably the best I have ever heard the modern turbocharged BMW inline 6 sound from the factory. I wish my M340i sounded as good. Too bad about that price tag though!
The M4 CSL for me it maybe cool but still pales in comparison to Corvette C7 Stingray.
@@purwantiallan5089 is that why its better in every measure (other than maybe looks)?
@@smar1208 a corvette would destroy this on a real track that’s over 2 miles long. This track is too small for the viper and corvette
get an MPPSK kit, intake, and downpipe. The B58 sounds better than the S58 because the S58 has two turbos instead of just one like the B58.
@@dempseydulaney1 or the f82 with MPE or and M4 GTS (which essentially has an MPE) probably beats the CSL by miles due to modern regulations.
Best review of this model! Thanks you gents! I bought the CSL as well as the M5CS. Epic cars!
Congrats brother!
@@shivvashishthabhargava4600 thank you! I am very blessed indeed.
Dayum. You smashed it. Securing one of them is tough enough.
Congrats man!
Seeing this car it kinda reminds me off the Alfa Romeo Giulia GTAm version. Would be amazing to see a drag race with both cars and see how well they stack up to each other on a track test
Thinking the same thing! The ALFA is way way way nicer looking too.
Thats exactly the car it should be compared to. Throw the Jaguar Project 8, even the CLK63 AMG Black Series into it. And leave price out of it. Its just a specific type of car.
@@ScullyD-ee9jk agreed. These cars are not just about how fast you can go (and they are fast), but how they make you feel. Why else would one buy a super expensive sports saloon? It's the city / daily driving, NOT the track.
@@vincefava7929 and way more expensive lol
Car wow 😉
Great video as always!! This new M3/M4 will never grown on me...I still believe that the E92 and E30 are the ones to love
one of the best car review content on youtube hands down.... appreciate you guys
Well this extended my normal morning work bathroom break by about fifteen minutes.
“Brake bias set frontward”
That’s what happens when you fit a car with 6 piston fronts and single piston rears lol
“It’s sooooo stiff!- and I don’t mean the suspension” 😮……”I mean the chassis” 😅 lol
I LOL'd at the price. Not only is that insane but every other car you listed is not only extremely competent but also better looking and sounds much, MUCH better.
But hey at least those seats don't look like they have a hearing feature you need a subscription to use on top of the $170K
This is the consolation prize for wealthy people who don't have a relationship with Porsche.
i’m new to your channel and i really gotta say THANK YOU SO MUCH for making great content. Ever since the OG top gear UK ended, and now that grand tour only does specials, this channel has been filling that void that TG left, that the current Top Gear US and UK just can’t really fill. you guys are awesome!! keep it up!
Make sure to check out Jason Cammisa over on Hagerty - he's like an American version of Clarkson.
Man i love throttle house, i love BMW and the two of them together is just magic ✨️
Me too love TH the same way i love LoveLive and Top Gear.
I have to say that the front looks better with the sportier appearance. It just looks more apropriate on the car this way. This is definitely my favourite of the M3/M4 family.
Yeah it actually looks really good now. Its very different, but good in its own way.
I’ve seen this review a few times now. You guys are the best reviewers. Luv from the UK (London)
I still can't get over how the front grill looks but the rest of the car looks good
Honestly one of your best reviews and that's saying a lot.
The BMW M4 CSL is a car to buy and no more shortlist.
Except you can't possibly get one for $140k. There was one on the floor when I picked up my 340 this past weekend, and they wanted $50k over list. The sales guys were laughing about people calling and offering $20-25k over list.
Tbf, they're Canadian so they get everything for MSRP
Those same sales guys the one crying the blue when they can't make ends meet too
@@helmetculture Any of them would be happy to make the deal but the boss set the price...
I was just offered one locally for $5k over which I didn’t take. The value will drop just like the GTS did when used.
When you said the M5, I would always probably go for a 5 series lower power trim than you would. But man I've been in love with the 5 series for decades.. Good call!
I’d love to see an ancestor, like a modded 2008 M5 or 535, against this.
Just noticing how the wheel is doing the jitterbug… just reminder for everyone that smooth is fast
I have always absolutely loved the beaver grille.
The awful exterior and overall lack of "specialness" really puzzle me. I can't see anyone preferring this over a 911 Carrera S let alone C8 Z06. A Mustang Mach 1 also is not only visually more appealing and a great track tool as well, it also has the beautiful V8 noise to accompany the drive. Did I mention that the 718 GT4 resides in that price range too? A track focused, mid engine, naturally aspirated Porsche????
well its faster than a carrera s , and a mach 1 or gt500 around the ring, and i dont think anyone looking for a european sportscar would would ever consider z06 even though its pretty good.The gt4rs is best value for money , its faster than alot of more expensive cars but then again comparing cars based on their prices is stupid
I can’t either. I felt the same way about the M4 GTS and that looked a lot better than this. Looking at this car actually makes me nauseous.
@@andrewb325 The M4 GTS was peak M4 in every way. Looks, Performance and handling. Sadly it wasn't necessarily the best road car xD
@@7h3th1 And? It's faster than these cars driven by a professional driver. Most people that buy such cars are far away from being professional drivers. The Carrera S is much more prestigious, people will ask what you drive and when you say a 911 they're like "Oh, very nice car. How much did it cost? 120K? Decent price".
When you tell them you bought this they'll say "A BMW? For 140K? Is it the M8? No? M4? For that money!? At least it has to look goo...oh my God..."
The Mach 1 is much more special, especially here in Europe. It looks gorgeous, has the nice V8 and handles like you wouldn't expect. The 718 GT4 openly competes with the M4 CS as a track car of similar price range of a german manufacturer. So it absolutely makes sense to compare them. And in that comparison the brand new M4 CS can't compete with the GT4 RS which is a bit older too. As for the Z06, people will look at the Corvette being much more desirable than any BMW, especially here in Europe where Corvettes are legendary and rare cars anyway. Not to mention with such an engine
@@DefinitelyNotEmma the performance of a car is very important when u r buying a performance car , more so than what it looks like or what other people think about it. i do not consider people who buy cars for social status or as investments as enthusiasts not to gatekeep but i think you are misunderstanding the reason why enthusiasts by sports car. You are coming off a bit ill informed on this subject and a little bit delusional
.Frankly you dont know what you are talking about
Am I the only one that thinks the M4 looks incredible?
Yes. You are a wierdo
Best Car reviewers on TH-cam, and it’s not even close. Love you guys!
When Thomas and James were talking after the laps the car very much reminded me of the Mustang Mach 1
I have Black CSL on order and am Still waiting for mine to be built. I already have a 22 M3 Comp X drive so i can live with that on the daily. The CSL will be for Cota, Live 10 mins away from it. I agree though the price is hard to swallow especially when like you said in the review that you don't get a Cage. I'm still excited to drive it when it comes in though regardless!
Nothing like the M4! The M4CSL and M5CS are pure savagery!
M1 Procar and Z4 GT3 2011: ARE WE A JOKE FOR YOU?!
The M4 has become a joke.
No wonder I don't see any new ones here while everyone and their mother buys C63s
@@irinapetrovich7057 no one's mom is buying a c63s, you probably are mistaken with c300s. M340i has have insane sales
I want them both... one day.
You meant, nothing like the ugly front grill of the M4, right? Lol! That sedan is fat, ugly, and overpriced!
Great edit! Gear question: What mount, camera and lens are used @24:00? The way the lights shifts across the front of the car is beautiful.
Yes there is a 5,3 point harness with two ,3 strings for under your arms aroung your chest to streap on your sternum so that those wall-hitting breaks don't make you break against a standard 3 point belt.
Are we not going to talk about the fact the side profile looks more like a 2011 Accord Coupe than the precision tuned German masterpiece she is. I do appreciate the boys hitting on some of its cheap aspects and lackluster comforts given the shocking sticker.
All of her flaws aside I love her front and rear fascias. Stunning... Use these fascias designs forms across the fleet.
Just wanted to Point out that the M4 csl should be on the number 5 spot as the ZR1 time is faster. And I was also expecting a surprise race between the csl vs the Alfa GTAm also on the track.❤😪
This
Great video as always gentleman. can't wait to see ZO6 on track!!! is that happening soon?
Yep. Maybe January 2023.
Ummm James, why is 1:08.64 faster than 1:08.59?
Anyway, love your good works
1:08.64 has a better personality
The corvette is faster. We mixed up the leader board. Sawryyy.
@@ThrottleHouse You guys have my unconditional love.
@@ramennoodlz what about 1:08.69
Haha how james was carried in and resisting 😆😆😆😆. Every video is so well written and executed
I don’t think people are appreciating that lap time. This is a front engined, RWD car that is quite heavy despite the weight savings. It is keeping up with and beating some insane sports cars that are built as sports cars from the ground up… to be so close to a race car like the GT3 is absolutely incredible.
"No, no, heavy bad! All heavy cars bad! You are a BMW corporate shill!"
Sarcasm obviously
@ryanjonathanmartin3933 😂😂😂 that m4csl is very impressive and it can go faster
I’m amazed at how good the e46 M3 csl still looks when compared to this new one. The new design doesn’t hold a candle.
This m4 is ugly.
Honestly love this new design
@@cedricl.marquard6273 To each their own 🤣. But if you had these two side by side with the M4 drivetrain,HP, torque etc.etc. Everyone would be choosing E46.
Idk what you mean. The M4 csl is one of the most beautiful cars on the streets.
I would love for you guys to do a video on the cars that you own and have owned. Love your content- Keep them coming.
Hope those are never gonna end.
They actually did one during covid!
@@jeremypayeur5985 okay i didnt know that- thanks for letting me know..
It's on Extra Throttle House if you haven't found it yet :)
@@Thisath100 okay thanks for the heads-up 😃.
Great video as usual!
You should do a review on the gt500 with a track pack so we can see how quick it is compared to the other cars you have done lap times on!
James, I absolutely have to say this, you're getting absolutely amazing at drifting around corners!!!
Thomas, I absolutely have to say this, you have my highest respect for always being so passionate AND remaining impartial. This car must have been eyes watering for someone who truly loves BMW: the M4 CSL seems to be exactly what a real M car should be, today.
Ugly, slow, overpriced, soulless?
It must be good , it has you guys giggling like kids 💪
The point made on the rear brakes, they're just pity looking visually, in a car like this... I so agree! And that's the passion and attention to detail I love about these guys!
Thomas: is this car stunning? James replies: I'm stunned by it"! Best line in the whole video! 🤣😂😅🤣
Yep. Even Karin Asaka also said "I am stunned by it".
@@purwantiallan5089 😆
Looking forward to the M3 version, just a better looking car overall... It's all in the rear quarters for me, the M4 is a BBL where the M3 just got it from her mama. IYKYK
I'm surprised for the price they didn't add carbon fiber Wheels.
“OMG it’s sooooo stiff…and I don’t mean the suspension…”
Yes Thomas. It is so stiff after watching this review.
Another brilliant review. Lerv your work Boyz. 2 Thumbs up
The prices of cars is getting out of ✋️
How about a comparison between the m4 csl and the m5 cs?
Oooooooooo
@Ruthlessgod1 free fire name no I get you. Because yeah M5CS is AMAZING, but 99% of people won't even be able to reach the limits of it. So the M550i and M2CS are great choices. And the M4CSL looks way worse than the other 2😂
Wow... I can't believe that the front end of this car still has not grown on me. I think I'll never get used to it.
James said most POWERFUL M car...M8 comp has entered the chat..😂🤣😂🤣
I would take the new C8Z06 over this car if I had a choice
Now waiting on the M4 CSL vs Cayman GT4 comparison
Cayman will muller it but CSL has its own distinct appeal and to mind is a bit more special.
@@enigmatwist6548 personally i would get a base 911 and save the money. I can’t see myself spending $140k on a juiced m4. That’s for people with Fu*k you money.
@@enigmatwist6548 "a bit more special"
More special than a mid engine, naturally aspirated, 6-Cylinder boxer Porsche?
Not to mention the GT4 RS also exists, which is an icon in the making
@@DefinitelyNotEmma CSL is certainly much rarer than a GT4 so it's more special in the sense that if those 2 cars turn up together at any event, the CSL will be the one getting all the attention. If the event is in the car park of a race track, that's about as close as most CSLs will ever get to one of those too!
There have also been quite a lot of Porsches that fit your description - I drive a mid-engined, naturally aspirated 6-cylinder boxer Porsche too. I regularly park my 981CS next to a 718 GT4 at the local supermarket and honestly they get about the same amount of attention. The GT4 gets more from people like me who know it's worth double mine, but to most people it just looks like a Cayman with a wing. I'd buy a GT4 over a CSL every day of the week though- and for the price people are selling the CSL, you could almost literally do exactly that 😂
@@ApothecaryTerry Your second point contradicts your first point. The CSL wouldn't get any attention anywhere except the most hardcore car communities because it's just a 4 Series with stickers to most people. While the 718 GT4 has side vents, a wing, a Porsche badge and a front air outlet. People would ask if that's a 911 or GT3, because for whatever reason people think GT3 is a model and that Porsche only makes the 911 and Cayenne lol.
I am thrilled to see you two back out on your home track. We need more lap times.
We especially need some times for a Lucid, any Lucid. People rave about the handling (and I love how mine handles on twisty mountain roads) but reviews don't count w/o lap times. Hopefully a Sapphire will come and find you. I'll put in a word, for whatever that's worth. Not the ideal car for a short flat track, but let the chips fall where they may.
I will never own a BMW with that garish nose. Frankly, I find it insulting that this porcine snout is what they picture when they think of their customers. It's shocking, even more shocking than Thomas mistakenly choosing a Z06 and M5 over a GT4RS.
Shocking.
A 2003 M3 CSL was £60k new. In 2022 US dollars, that’s $160k.
Fair price.
"I've been looking forward to this." - Count Dooku
So I could spend 140 grand to get a 3650lb pig that has a stripped interior and carbon fiber seats that have little to no padding in order to go slower than a $65,000 C8 Corvette that has heated and cooled seats and a 14 speaker thousand watt surround system while somehow still being lighter than the CSL.
The problem I see here with this csl brand is the same what amg did with the black series brand, bmw and Mercedes try so hard to cope with Porsche and overdo it somehow. Any gt 3rs might be the better racetrack choice than this M4 csl and gt r black series
@@DubioserAltschauerberger1510 Except the amg black series is actually faster than a Porsche....🤷🏿♂️. Granted it has a price tag to match . The CSL is just a super tuned m3.
The Corvette zr1 doesn't cost 65k though lol 😂
I didnt like the looks as well but it grew on me
The CSL is SOOOOOO much better looking too. That front end is growing on me, but then I saw this and (aside from the 'meh' trim coloring), this is so much better.
I agree that this car looks stunning. That shot at 23:18 makes it look amazing. I wasn't a fan of the new grills but they are growing on me and I think the newer designs are growing into the bigger grill
nah but fr the front end has grown so much on me, I literally cannot look at older m3/m4 models anymore, g82 is the only way to go for me. this car was literally made to be wrapped matte black, especially with the yellow headlights on the CSL
Great video as always. Props to the whole team
I appreciate that BMW still makes new cars you can still drive like BMWs. And sound this good
Real world price Comparison (US pricing) all with ceramic brakes and REAL market pricing:
M4 CSL: $180k
GT4RS: $290K
R8 RWD: $220K
Z06: $225k
The only cars that truly are cheaper: ZL1 and the GT500.
exactly what ive been saying if you look at its performance and compare to other cares around same price it is reasonably priced , price is a primitive way to compare cars but because people are throwing empty complaints i had to do some research
your Z06 is way off. +$100k is what the highly publicized dealers who got publicly shamed by Chevy added, most people are reporting more like $30k market adjustment if not MSRP (which is $106k)
@@papa_pt first of all, that’s way too early to tell as to what the real market adjustment is going to be. Let’s have this conversation around March or April of next year when more of these cars actually going to start coming in. I do believe that my estimate for, these cars, fully loaded, like mine, which is configured at $167,000 USD, it’s going to be right where I put it. I am willing to wait for my car until 2024, and, therefore, I believe that I’m going to be sticker or really close to it but, I do not anticipate for the market to be any less than $50-60k over sticker when they do become available in about 3 to 4 months.
I really want to see the M5 CS vs Lamborghini
huracan evo spyder the AWD version. The reason I
think the spyder would be a more fair race is
because it's a little heavier than the evo coupe
version and it's a little closer in weight to the M5
CS, but still lighter 😂 Please guys make it happen
it's gonna be perfect because they are very close
in hp as well. 640 EVO vs 635 CS 👍
I would quickly take that $140,000 and buy a individual spec BrG on Cognac f90 LCi and be way happier not having to look at that front end
To be fair, if you're inside the M4 then you also don't have to look at the front end 😄
For that money, I'd buy a specced up Panamera to go alongside my 981CS! If we're talking fun cars only though...well, I'd have a Pug 306 GTi-6, an Elise S1, a 981CS and an ND MX-5. Converting from UK prices into USD, that's about $100k, so let's chuck a Mustang (GT, manual) in there as well. At least 2 of those (306 and Elise) can out-fun any M4 by themselves so I'll take the 5 car garage all day...if I had a 5 car garage, or $140k, which I don't.
Honestly not sure I'd swap the 981CS by itself for a CSL either though, unless I could sell the CSL, buy the 981 back and keep the change 😁
My boss was designated a CLS by BMW but turned it down for the following reason; Design and lack of attention to details, Torque Converter and... those rear brake caliper for all the money. He got himself a GT3 instead.
I don't understand why these guys hate that front grille?? M4 grille is super aggressive for me and I have to admit that it's really grown on me💪💪
its ugly especially in lighter colors from certain angles looks like a fat fish with an overall undefined shape
@@amarillorica
It’s absolutely not ugly. That car is beautiful. People like you don’t have taste, drive your "good looking“ Tesla.
Idc what anyone says about the front end. I think it’s badass and weird and I love it.
It looks like a pig nose lol
They recently tested it on the dyno and it made 569whp too.