This felt like a really balanced review. Most (all?) of the "early" reviews of this car had presenters gush about what a great value this "$40,000" car is while driving the 50k version. It drove me a little bonkers.
kinda similar to how the C8 vette was touted asa sub 60k car but no one bought it at 60k everyone bought 80k spec... but at least with C8 most performance bits were included in the base price (Z51 pckge including a very modest power bump + wing)
Throttle House reminds me of Top Gear from the mid 2000s. Visually pleasing video production, humor thoughtfully mixed in, lap times, quirky hosts that each have their own distinct charisma. But what makes them so reminiscent of Clarkson, Hammond, and May is that they’re genuine friends hanging out, and we are there to hang with them by watching the videos
I think that's why all the versions of Top Gear since have missed the mark. The hosts aren't friends, even if they claim they are. You can tell there is a lack of connection, most things feel forced, which leads to jokes falling flat. Tomas and James, like the guys at savagegeese, are the spiritual successors to Top Gear without even meaning to, simply because they are real friends who are smart enough to not mess with a formula that works.
You care about personalities and entertainment, for me I just want to know the pros and cons of each vechile, from people with some kind of credibility. Even so, I dont take their opinions are gospel.
I was thinking that especially when the switchroo happened from nissan z to camaro. They are funny, humble and treat the car on merits. Not afraid to call out brands or even mess with them like the oops drift thomas did.
The way these guys are making reviews is astonishing. Always keeps you at interest, is very informative and also tell you what you don’t always want to hear about a car. Keep up the good work guys we love you 👍 ( the humour though 😂 )
As the owner, of a 22 Camaro SS 1LE, I couldn't agree more, that this is a true, world class track car that can be driven on a daily basis. Absolute steal for the money, damn shame their gone after 23.
This is one of the best reviews and performances you guys have done in a while. My side was hurting by the end of it. James was in rare form. Thomas’ track expertise and honest opinions of the Z are insightful and appreciated.
I feel like they are taking some tricks from Cammisa, not stealing, but actually a good thing with their own TH twist. The quality they continuously produce with is impressive.
Agree, although I disagree with the "supra is a lot more expensive" argument. The supra 3.0 version starts at 53k, and even an A91 Manual is 58k... If you can get one anywhere near msrp that is. If you can afford 50k, 8k more probably isn't going to break the bank.
One of the only non biased takes on the Z. Throttle house once again does it right. Great channel guys. Hope I can catch your next throttle house and collecting cars meet next year.
As a Z enthusiast this is the video I’ve been waiting for and to be honest I can accept what they say about it. They bring to light all the pros and cons that most other youtubers won’t tell you about and they seem to be mostly unbiased with this too which I appriciate
Agreed as a non-Z enthusiast, it is very much appreciated. All the previews there was too much hype and gushing, glossing over all the faults of the car. This review at least points out all the good and the bad.
@@Unxpekted Doable. You might need more than just bolt ons though. Definitely Ethanol, tune, bolt ons, and slicks. Low 11's high 10's maybe. (Basing this off the Q50 guys who run low 11's with the same mods. Since the Z is slightly lighter it should be quicker.)
Hands-down a brilliant review, you guys. For me, this really transcended the typical "show and tell" that hits the car's highs and lows without really getting into the weeds to become an engaging, detailed, brilliantly shot and told story about what the car really is. Despite being a Track Series video, this told me more about the Z than any other review of it that I've watched (and I really loved the contrast with the Camaro). Great, great work.
As a second owner of a 2003 350z owner I felt that grind of gears. Mine had the infamous 3rd gear grind. I replaced it with a low mile 2007 transmission with a stage 3 race clutch. I ended up selling it to the 3rd owner who turned it into a race car.
Great review. It seems like Nissan intentionally targeted a few specific things they need to make it sell en-masse to justify its existence to corporate. They know tuner guys will swap the exhaust and springs, so instead they went for more livable and quiet exhaust and ride. The power and stability and balance make it a great road car that you can wring out at legal-ish limits without wrapping it around a tree. The styling is cool, retro, and subtle. All of these things make the Z a much more attractive sell to a guy who may have grown up with the earlier Z line, doesn't want the hassle of owning a classic, but wants to daily a "fun" car that isn't boy-racer. Those are the people who will buy new high-end trims. However, Nissan also managed to keep a lot of the excitement, attention to detail, and character that make a sports car special At its lower price point trims, younger people can buy them and mod immediately. And over the years all of these will trickle down to "buyer #3" and become capable track cars. I think the thing is damn gorgeous and should sell well, and I can't wait to see them on the road.
@@fogetit1204 I looked at them...it was a tough call for sure. I got rid of a C7 corvette for the Supra BTW. I've owned lots of different sports cars too so I'm kinda all over the place.
I have a 22 SS 1LE. Same one as in video color and all... and that car surprises me all the time. Went to a track day and hot lapped it repeatedly and it had zero complaints. Such a good car for the money. Secured mine custom ordered for $48,000 USD and in my opinion thats the perfect price for a car with 6 fluid heat exchangers, 6 piston brakes, v8, manual, ELSD, good trackable tires and a chassis that laughs at whatever you throw at it
@@invertedv12powerhouse77 I wasn't really too in love with it when I first saw them. After driving a friends I fell in love with the feeling first and as time went on I started to like the car visually more and more
I’m third owner of a 981 Boxster S (60,000 miles) and couldn’t be happier. Not much to do with this car’s N/A engine except an exhaust and tune to bring it up to 370 hp and 4.2 to 60. 32 mpg at 65 on the highway. Rock solid reliable, two large trunks front and rear, and phenomenal mid engined handling with Porsche panache, and it only cost 45k! There is no substitute
Meh, another good car is always a welcome thing and that is a great recipe for a good car. It sounds a bit like Nissan thought "Pizza, wine and ice cream is a recipe for a great meal!" then blended them all together to make something that really isn't great, at least to me. I'm disappointed in a way, although happy since I don't feel like we're missing out with it not being sold here in Europe.
@@ApothecaryTerry What a dumb thing to say... Yeah, in europe we'll have to do with our overpriced 2.0L diesel 4pot german coupes or that bloated mustang... We're not missing much, no, we're missing it all... This Z is an excellent RWD, fully independent suspension, car built on an extremely stiff chasis that can probably digest double the power it currently has with ease. Its probably a few bucks away on better tyres and some suspension upgrades to be a track beast.
@@cyberspectre8675 They are the ingredients for a great meal. If you have pizza with a glass of wine and then ice cream for dessert, great meal. If you put them all in a blender and drink the result...not so great 😄
Wow guys, I truly enjoyed this review. First, kudos to Nissan for keeping the legendary "Z" alive. Very refreshing, especially given today's automotive climate. Always been a fan, dating back to the early 240's. With that said, I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment. The icing on the cake for me, so to speak, was when it came down to purchasing my next fun/play car. I chose the 2023 Camaro 2SS1LE, near identical to the one shown. Rapid blue, 6 speed, no sun roof, etc. (ordered July 08th). Thanks again for a great, and extremely entertaining, video. And when I'm ready to sell, perhaps "owner number 2" (or eventually number 3) will be interested...
@@1uckedout Sorry for the late reply. Texas isn't that far when you consider the number of reputable carriers out there. Obviously there's a price to be paid, but I'd shave a good chunk of the cost off the top of the price, helping you out if that time ever comes. With that said, I'm having way too much fun with this car! She's a beauty and a beast! Power, 6 speed Tremac, handling, comfort, braking, etc. Fantastic! The performance exhaust is to die for, as is the rapid blue color. I love this car. Yes, it's that good! Contrary to the online haters out there, visibility hasn't been an issue. Raise the seat, adjust your mirrors, and learn to drive! I'm amused how so many think the visibility is vastly superior in a Challenger. Can't see much more out the rear window of a Challenger. The view over the long hood, especially with the "Shaker" package, isn't an improvement either. Regarding seating position, it's as if people think your supposed to drive with the seat in "gangsta" mode, dragging your ass on the pavement. With proper seat height adjustment, the side visibility isn't bad at all in a Camaro. Yeah, the Challenger's side view is a bit better, but not as much as the online "experts" claim. How do I know? I own a Challenger. Go Mango, shaker package, dynamic package with 275s, adjustable suspension, bumblebee stripes, etc. So you won't hear me bashing Challengers here (or any other make for that matter). A different beast for sure, but fun and enjoyable in it's own right. Handling is actually excellent for it's size and weight. The Camaro, however, is a true sports car and so enjoyable. A car I want to drive every day. Once again, you won't hear me bashing Mustangs, Chargers or Challengers. They're all great, and you can have fun with each of them, but the narrow mindedness and sheer ignorance surrounding the Camaro, particularly the 6th gen, is unbelievable. Their loss for sure. Be safe my friend...
I know that we went through a couple decades where a lot of American sports cars were built by accountants more than engineers, but I think we've passed that time and American sports cars can go toe-to-toe with some of the best European and Japanese cars. Sure you're not going to get a hand-built Pagani, but you're going to get a really bang for your buck, capable machine that's not overly pretentious.
America cars have always been on par. The 40's through the 60's were legendary, When things went bad in '76 to '86 pretty much every manufacturer dumbed down. My 1996 Impalla SS, 2002 C5 Z06, My 2006 z06, my current C7 Z06, 2000 Camaro SS, 2003 Ford Lightning and 1996 Dodge Ram 1500 (and a few others) all bought new and were all great cars of the time and all held their own. My next ZL1 will do just fine too. Mustangs are great cars too.
I briefly owned a 1994 300ZX TT. It was a heavy car with somewhat soft springs and rear tires that didn't have quite enough grip. It was scary at the limit, especially in the rain. But, if you stayed within its limits, it was a fun, comfortable ride with great ergonomics where you can just cruise around and mash the throttle to put a big grin on your face. I loved that car. I think Nissan knew exactly what it was doing with this new version.
The Cabbage Patch kid nearly made me spit out my coffee, especially when he was trying to hold it's hand🤣🤣 Loved the "power slid" part as well. This channel is Gold!
I've always loved Z cars. I had a 350z nismo, driven my friends 500hp z32, and another friends 370z with tire, brake, coilover upgrades. All great cars. I was watching this video and I was just like why would I get rid of my paid off SS 1LE for this car? Then you brought the bad boy out 🤣
I am owner #2. I just recently purchased a one previous owner, low mileage luxury sports sedan. There are small things I am fixing, and it’s nicely maintained. Great video, guys.
I too have a Camaro SS. It's amazing. You could even have a used 2017 ZL1 for that price. I got my 2017 2SS fully loaded for 28k right when the pandemic hit. Can't beat it for the price.
@@jrzez Well, my definition of "big boys" is within the context of this video. And with a faster lap time than the Z (with almost 1/2 the hp!) and less than a second off the Supra and Mustang GT, I'd say it does.
I'm working on getting a new Z by this coming spring. I could care less about track lap times, as I will only be driving it on the street, public roads. So its role as a GT car is perfect.
You guys released this review at the same time as TheStraightPipes and let me tell you, I love their channel but the editing in this video is just a million times more creative. Keep up the good work.
@@gearzdesign tbh a lot of what ThrottleHouse do and who they cover seems to appeal to car people in general more. Straight Pipes is for people who think they like cars but in reality only like reading spec sheets
My first car was a 79 280zx, followed by a 76 280z. I have been looking forward to this car because it looks like a proper Z. However most reviews say the same thing, its heavy, more of a gt, falls apart at the limit. So I bought a Neptune blue gr86 and it feels like the spiritual successor to my 79 280zx. Edit* as of 8-18-22 I have finally driven the new Z. Here are my thoughts. You can clearly see parts of different generation Z influences in its styling both inside and out. It’s fast but that’s a given. The suspension is softer than expected and if you want a GT car then this is your car. At 5’11 I would not be able to wear a helmet for track days so that’s a bummer as the seating position is really high even when the seat is in its lowest position. At its base price of $40k it’s a bargain but the example I drove was almost $54k and at that price the Supra sounds better and is quicker although I still don’t forgive the montage of fake vents. Plus in my opinion the new Z looks better but looks are subjective. At the end of the day I am just glad the new Z, Supra, BRZ, GR86, Miata, C8, Cayman, Mustang, and Camaro exist. The right answer is choose one, drive it and love it. I chose the GR86 which one did you get?
@@kernoleary1394 Yeah, every Z after the original 240Z gained weight and started to focus more on luxury than driving engagement. Even reviewers back then called the 240SX a more direct successor to the 240Z than the 300ZX at the time.
Right there with you. My first was a 78 280z followed by an 82 280zx turbo, which was my favorite car. I would pass on this new one until revisions are made.
@@Antenox What needs to be changed though? Its an excellent chassis with very good suspension geometry. Throwing money at a new chassis to deliver the same things would be a waste of money.
Balance is the name of the game, both with the youngest fairlady and with you guys. I love to see the comments section popping with objective compliments and discussion after only 13 hours, and I believe it motivates you two to keep putting out high(est) quality content. Good luck and much love ❤️🤞🏼
Thank you guys so much for telling the truth. This is the most complete review of this car I've seen yet, and I feel like I understand the new Z now. They essentially made a car that appeals to the non enthusiast driver with money to spare who just wants a fast highway crusher. I personally just wish Nissan marketed it differently.
"Telling the truth" ..that's laughable. End of the day it's their point of view. You cant take it as gospel. I am pretty sure every pro driver will have different opinions, depending on the track.
@@gw4886 First of all, the reason I say "telling the truth" is because as someone who watches a ton of reviews from different sources, I can tell that they have taken the time to understand and explain how good or bad it is for every kind of driver. Also when they test it on the track, their feedback is about how the car reacts when it goes around a corner, not how it goes around this specific track. Have you watched the entire video ?
Solid review. Can’t wait to see them on the road but I rather stick with my Supra. I’m loving that Camaro too, that’s a compelling argument you did for those on the fence about the new Z lol
I love the new Z, but will be interested how they develop it in the coming years. Also huge fan of the SS 1LE, but have you ever done a comparison between the 1LE with manual vs A10. I always see people saying it's faster and such, but the manual is more engaging. To compare the two in a drag and around the track would be interesting and your opinions.
I'm more of a fan of what you get with a Camaro but it might be good for people to watch the Savagegeese video too where they cover the exhaust differences between the auto/manual and a discussion on the "bones" of the car like the double wishbone front etc. Good complimentary videos on TH-cam for free. What a time to be into cars.
I love the honest review. I’m a little disappointed with the Z. It sounds like Nissan was focused on the design and paid less attention to the overall performance. Good thing the Z will have a great aftermarket to improve the performance of it.
Great video as usual... really enjoyed it! So, you said the Miata and the GR 86 were both better connected, but slower... yet the the GR 86 turned a faster lap time by a half second. So, the GR 86 is more connected and FASTER (on a track) at nearly HALF the price! LOL! I get that better tires on the Z would put it slightly ahead of the GR 86, and the addition of a nice set of coilovers would put the Z significantly ahead, but still... for nearly half the price, I'll take the GR 86, thanks!
I take comfort in knowing that the latest team at Nissan is taking feedback well these days and reacting, I’m confident Nissan hasn’t shown all its cards yet and is shaking up the scene, everyone else will up there ante to what they think is Nissans best and BOOM. Remember how the GTR had an amazing run as the sports car to rival back in the day.. excited to see Z phase 2
GM is supremely excellent at chassis and suspension tuning. The 1LE variants has been known to be very capable for a decade now. It’s always a tough match to go against a 1LE
Hype is in your head. Its either you like the car or you don't. Supra was always the better performance car in comparison so I dont see where the hype is.
Great review guys. I was debating about trying out the Z but after watching your review, I decided not to bother. You did get me more excited about Toyota GR86, especially seeing it has faster lap time than the Z
@@StrongerThanEver84 The GR86 is a track tuned car. The Z is just a sporty GT... Compare apples to apples. The GR86 is also almost on par with the 30k+ more expensive Supra.
The GR86/BRZ are fantastic cars, to be fair. The 2023 models increased in price and I think we'll see more of that. Everybody wants one, and for good reasons.
It’s worth pointing out that the track TH tests on doesn’t really have many straights, so the more powerful cars can’t leverage their hp/weight advantage as well. The 86 also had a faster time than the Hellcat Redeye.
@@AI-qd4vb basically all I'm hearing is that the GR86/BRZ, Camaro 1LE and Supra are better all around choices for your money. And if I wanted a car that's kinda sporty and comfortable to cruise around in but is sub par in every single other category get the Z..... Got it lol
i sold my 2015 FBO Z for 35k and bought a 2012 gti for 4k lol waiting for the gr corolla even though both cars are plagues by youtube boys so mark ups will make me do my 5 year rule
How do you upgrade, entertain and make a car review better than the regular? Do this. This was awesome. Highly enjoyable. Watching you grow and improve is so satisfying. You both are inspiring to me as a content creator and just being awesome. Love this review!
I had a '17 SS until just recently when I traded it for a truck (had to have). I miss it so much. Its just so good. When I'm back in the market for a "fun" car it'll be a camaro again. Its just unbeatable for what you get.
@@Jedi391 I'd just rebuy a 6th gen, I won't need a new one. The same thing you said applies to almost all ICE cars at this point. They are all headed for extinction our only option will be to buy old ones.
I would love to see you guys do some independent reviews and comparisons amongst a Challenger 392 Scat-Pack, Camaro SS1LE and Mustang March1. All same year (between 2018 and 2022 year models). It would be an honor for my upcoming birthday. Thanks always for being one of the most brutally honest automotive documentarians.
New versions of my first cars...... Love the 280Z -esk look of the new Z... didn't realize it would be so soft compared to the camero. Good show, thanks.
YESSSS A 1LE! Thank you so much for showcasing this car, I own one and reviewers have slept on it since its release 6 years ago! I currently own one and everything you've said is true, best sports car for the money and punches above its weight.
Camaro was never slept on bro. Every journalist love it. Go back to 2016 and just look at the awards it's won over the years. Motor Trend COTY. C&D 10 Best for how many years. It was only slept on consumers who hate living with it. As an owner, you know what I mean. Shit visibility and crappy interior space. Doesn't matter for people who are buying Camaro as a sportscar, but it's not great for high volume 3.6 and 2.0T cars that people buy to daily with. Mustang and Challenger always won that battle, hence why they are smoking GM in sales, and why Camaro faces end of line.
@@jamesmin2837 We could argue day and night why the Camaro is failing in sales and we'd both be right, but I've only ever seen Motortrend and Randy Pobst bring up the Camaro after they review it, other reviewers do a video on say, say it's great, video gets little views and move on, never brought up in another comparison ever again, consumers don't know specifically what the 1LE trim is which is what I was referring, of course everyone knows about the Camaro and you can call me biased but I feel it's a car that should be brought up at every opportunity in the same way the GT350 is.
@@ScionCrush That's because enhanced handling / braking doesn't exactly sell views. People like hits for their content, and most people don't care to hear rambles about SS 1LE. It's a lot easier to sell the latest Hellcat variant and C8 videos. Not only that, Camaro has ages quite a bit now. With very little changes, and there just isnt much to talk about. Mustang GT PP2 never got its proper due either. It's certainly never even going to be brought up in any comparison test. But Mach1 will and Shelby GT350/GT500 will because it is just more interesting to the viewers.
I own a 2019 1LE as well and I couldn't have said it better. The farthest ill probably go after the warranty is FBO. Going towards boosted is a waste imo since you buy the ss for the raw power.
Had ‘19 SS1LE… tracked it. loved it. Got a GT4 recently and I may or may not be considering going back to SS1LE (or ZL1?). the GT4 costs 3x as much and no where near 3x as good.
What an outstanding review. I had a 370z, absolutely loved it, but this new one seems to have all of the same issues! I'll never forget how I could never get the car into 6th gear over 180kmh and how the rear was so strangely sprung that it used to just bounce around... But the steering was the best I've experienced, on par with my v8 vantage.. Pity it's now electric
Interesting having the V8 Vantage as your best steering. I've only ever driven one once and it didn't impress me at all in that regard, but it was on track with slicks so not representitive of the car in general. I was there to drift an NA MX-5 too so any steering feels vague after driving one of those! Porsche steering is also top notch, mostly. I've turned into such a steering snob lately though, trying to replace my 981CS and I've test driven about 15 cars...none had great steering at all. Some kind of ok, most poor. Trying a 540i xDrive was a mistake, I think they took the steering rack off the Titanic (after it sank). Luxobarge, but my old Lexus hybrid felt like a Lotus by comparison. Haven't driven a 370Z though, too old for my next car and the fuel cost meant I didn't even consider it over the porker, but I might have to have a go in one just to try that steering 🙂
It's because this new Z is basically the old one just with new exterior sheet metal and the Q60 Red Line engine, which isn't anything to write home about.
Had a 2022 2SS with a 6 speed for around 5 or so months, car was absolutely phenomenal. I miss it every day. Can’t wait to get into another one or possibly a corvette.
Can confirm. SS 1LE Made for track. I’m glad you made this comparison, I was on the fence about trading my SS 1LE in for the new Z but after watching this there is no way in hell. Hopefully a NISMO version transforms it.
I fell in love with Z cars as a kid playing with Hot Wheels. That Love never stopped. I own 3 Z cars now and will always have at least one. I will get this car but not until the markups drop down. Until then I have a 84, 88, and 94 to enjoy..
Z’s have always been this way, well, at least since the 350z for sure. What was special about the older ones was how they woke up once you stiffened them and opened up their exhaust- taking the GT out. Who knows how this version will do with modifications but with a turbo engine, my bet is that you can make it fast af.. Although, as usual with that combo, less reliable & maybe less fun. Great review as always 🥇
I know you guys don't generally cover modified cars, but I think alot of people would be interested to see the Z lap again in the future once aftermarket suspension and some other bits become available.
@@comeberza because if your concern is going faster on a track...it is better as long as you use high quality parts and set them up properly. Nissan has to compromise to make one car for the guy that wants to track and a guy that wants to just drive to starbucks...if you know you want to track it, then you can be more aggressive with suspension and tuning than the OEM.
@@comeberza not that people think aftermarket is "better", but that if you want to go faster it definitly is. You can buy parts that are designed to adjust the car in a way that will make it faster. It doesnt always mean itll drive better, or be a better street car but it will make certsin aspects better as the owner chooses. Also nissan knows people will modify them.
I actually really appreciate how the A91 Supra and this 400z have pretty different appeal, that way they’re not such direct competitors that all we hear about is people comparing them endlessly
This makes me wonder what the 2025 Z will be like. In a couple model years when they've hopefully ironed out some of the kinks. Fix the second gear grinding, maybe stiffer springs, even make the steering more responsive. That, or the inevitable Nismo version which ought to be much more of a performance car
@@Ta3kno Nissan is Cheap and follows the quote "Don't fix it, if it's not broken" VERY OFTEN, they're not gonna spend millions on a new ass model when they can still milk the current one for more.
To note, did you guys experience fuel cutoff? Savageese got fueling issues when tracking the car with under half a tank of fuel and it could contribute to the slow lap times.
I'm a 370z owner and I have no interest in this 🤷♂️ my buddy with a 370z feels the same way. I honestly don't think this is gonna pull in a lot of past Z owners, that's not the market.
@@mavrick15243 you are kind of right cause it’s not in the same budget bracket anymore. Used to be a cheap sport car and that’s what we liked about it.
@@GLedgyt for sure, it was such a good value. Even a decade into production, it was basically the fastest car you could get for the price. 7500 rpm 3.7l V6, excellent 6MT, very raw and communicative, very settled and balanced handling. You just couldn't beat it. The new one has a less inspiring engine, the manual grinds gears, it's more insulated, and it's not settled or balanced at all on a track. A swing and a miss.
@@mavrick15243 You dont think past Z owners are the target market? Why would all of their marketing material feature past Z owners and all of the inspiration taken from older Z's? I've owned a z32 and a 370z and I am for SURE interested. I think once you fall in love with Z's you want to stay with them and Nissan knows that
For $50k a couple of used AMG come in my mind right away. Make no mistake at this point the repair prices of Nissan have come up pretty high so repair bills of the amg won't turn me away.
I was looking forward to this review. I have an 86 that I was considering trading in for the Z in a year, but honestly I think ill stay with the 86 and probably slap a supercharger on it for more fun at the track. While I love Zs, I dont think this is a big enough upgrade since I have to do the same modifications as I did to my 86 (wheels, tires and coilovers) to make it a track weapon, and my 86 is already a very good track car.
Yeah but you should probably also consider the aftermarket tunability of the vr30 engine vs the 86. If you want big power (and torque) its no doubt cheaper to go new Z and IMO look way better
Or just get a 1LE, or a Mustang Mach 1, both are awesome street/track cars right off the showroom floor. You will end up saving yourself a lot of money and aggravation.
@@kernoleary1394, I'd buy the manual A90 if that was the case. it's years ahead chassis wise, easier to work on, and the B58 can take far more than the VR30 can
@@kernoleary1394 true, but, I can also get a built block with forged internals, high boost pulley on a supercharger and make well over 600whp and still be shy of what the performance package z costs. Or I can LS swap an 86 and still be shy of what a performance package Z costs and have a more lightweight package with sharper handling characteristics.
This felt like a really balanced review. Most (all?) of the "early" reviews of this car had presenters gush about what a great value this "$40,000" car is while driving the 50k version. It drove me a little bonkers.
kinda similar to how the C8 vette was touted asa sub 60k car but no one bought it at 60k everyone bought 80k spec... but at least with C8 most performance bits were included in the base price (Z51 pckge including a very modest power bump + wing)
Yeah I don’t know what’s up with everyone talking about entry price while driving the loaded version, common theme
And let's not forget the very likely $10K dealership "market adjustment" tacked on at release.
Yep and noone buys base models because most dealers don't order them like that and vice versa
They had to gush or they wouldn't get early access
Throttle House reminds me of Top Gear from the mid 2000s. Visually pleasing video production, humor thoughtfully mixed in, lap times, quirky hosts that each have their own distinct charisma. But what makes them so reminiscent of Clarkson, Hammond, and May is that they’re genuine friends hanging out, and we are there to hang with them by watching the videos
I think that's why all the versions of Top Gear since have missed the mark. The hosts aren't friends, even if they claim they are. You can tell there is a lack of connection, most things feel forced, which leads to jokes falling flat.
Tomas and James, like the guys at savagegeese, are the spiritual successors to Top Gear without even meaning to, simply because they are real friends who are smart enough to not mess with a formula that works.
You care about personalities and entertainment, for me I just want to know the pros and cons of each vechile, from people with some kind of credibility. Even so, I dont take their opinions are gospel.
I was thinking that especially when the switchroo happened from nissan z to camaro. They are funny, humble and treat the car on merits. Not afraid to call out brands or even mess with them like the oops drift thomas did.
Gotta appreciate how great/ consistent a driver Thomas is. Kept his time within like a tenth of a second! Love it!
I liked instantly when Thomas power-slid accidentally. Such dedication to the art of thorough reviewing.
Thoroughly reviewing the cars even when he doesn't mean to
Same lol
Yup. How can Nissan expect them to review what should be the next generation drift car without putting it sideways...?
Hahahaha love it.
@@seventeen9718 Exactly my friend, those things are begging for dedicated Drift setups and I'm glad Nissan stayed true to the Z name
The way these guys are making reviews is astonishing. Always keeps you at interest, is very informative and also tell you what you don’t always want to hear about a car. Keep up the good work guys we love you 👍 ( the humour though 😂 )
Your check is in the mail.
Wait…. There’s humour?
@@addsfour3499 😂
It's like a comedy channel with a bit of car reviewing
@@roulam3001 exactly
As the owner, of a 22 Camaro SS 1LE, I couldn't agree more, that this is a true, world class track car that can be driven on a daily basis.
Absolute steal for the money, damn shame their gone after 23.
This is one of the best reviews and performances you guys have done in a while. My side was hurting by the end of it. James was in rare form. Thomas’ track expertise and honest opinions of the Z are insightful and appreciated.
I feel like they are taking some tricks from Cammisa, not stealing, but actually a good thing with their own TH twist. The quality they continuously produce with is impressive.
@@abalakrishnan4152 Throttle House and Cammisa are the best in the business.
@@bolt5564 for sure
Agree, although I disagree with the "supra is a lot more expensive" argument. The supra 3.0 version starts at 53k, and even an A91 Manual is 58k... If you can get one anywhere near msrp that is. If you can afford 50k, 8k more probably isn't going to break the bank.
I 💯 PERCENT enjoy the fact you guys aren't afraid to ruffle feathers for honest reviews!
Thomas & James does not tiptoe with favoritism. I love their approach cos being harsh improves reliability.
Good for the car community
"I'm not your buddy, guy." Well played, sir. I love the SP reference.
What's SP
I’m not your guy, pal. 😂
@@notfunny3397South Park. They do an ongoing bit about Canadians.
One of the only non biased takes on the Z. Throttle house once again does it right. Great channel guys. Hope I can catch your next throttle house and collecting cars meet next year.
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As a Z enthusiast this is the video I’ve been waiting for and to be honest I can accept what they say about it. They bring to light all the pros and cons that most other youtubers won’t tell you about and they seem to be mostly unbiased with this too which I appriciate
Agreed as a non-Z enthusiast, it is very much appreciated. All the previews there was too much hype and gushing, glossing over all the faults of the car. This review at least points out all the good and the bad.
I'm interested af in this car, a nice tun with bolt ons should get in the 10's.
@@Unxpekted Doable. You might need more than just bolt ons though. Definitely Ethanol, tune, bolt ons, and slicks. Low 11's high 10's maybe.
(Basing this off the Q50 guys who run low 11's with the same mods. Since the Z is slightly lighter it should be quicker.)
@@Unxpekted downpipe tune supra is the much better option if your looking for quarter mile times
@@iMickel I love the Supra but considering I went from an FD3S to a 370Z I really want another Z.
Love it that you guys are still real. I know two other car reviewers that just praise every car they drive. This is what real car journalism is.
It's under sprung, grinds the engagement into 2nd, heavy and underpowered... yes I can understand why Nissan said, "No Drift for you"
Why?
Thomas: but, I didn't get any tire smoke...
James: Just let it go.
Nissan: NO DRIFT FOR YOU!
@@urifarber5268 The main demographic of modern Z cars are between their late 30s and early 60s. They don't want stiff suspension around town.
This car was NOT built to be drifted. It was built for the straight away.
@@ACommenterOnTH-cam tell that to drifters they'll fix it's weaknesses
When you guys showed the Camaro , my soul awakened and got really exciting.
I don't know why but when anyone praises the Camaro i feel really great.
Hands-down a brilliant review, you guys. For me, this really transcended the typical "show and tell" that hits the car's highs and lows without really getting into the weeds to become an engaging, detailed, brilliantly shot and told story about what the car really is. Despite being a Track Series video, this told me more about the Z than any other review of it that I've watched (and I really loved the contrast with the Camaro). Great, great work.
This is probably one of my favorite episodes, the creativity they had for this one lol keep up the great content guys
I love the fact that you make your reviews fun, that alone makes you guys unique and special. Keep up the good work guys.
As a second owner of a 2003 350z owner I felt that grind of gears. Mine had the infamous 3rd gear grind. I replaced it with a low mile 2007 transmission with a stage 3 race clutch. I ended up selling it to the 3rd owner who turned it into a race car.
Great review. It seems like Nissan intentionally targeted a few specific things they need to make it sell en-masse to justify its existence to corporate. They know tuner guys will swap the exhaust and springs, so instead they went for more livable and quiet exhaust and ride. The power and stability and balance make it a great road car that you can wring out at legal-ish limits without wrapping it around a tree. The styling is cool, retro, and subtle. All of these things make the Z a much more attractive sell to a guy who may have grown up with the earlier Z line, doesn't want the hassle of owning a classic, but wants to daily a "fun" car that isn't boy-racer. Those are the people who will buy new high-end trims. However, Nissan also managed to keep a lot of the excitement, attention to detail, and character that make a sports car special At its lower price point trims, younger people can buy them and mod immediately. And over the years all of these will trickle down to "buyer #3" and become capable track cars. I think the thing is damn gorgeous and should sell well, and I can't wait to see them on the road.
No. I grew up with the early Z line and had every Z up until the 370z. I decided to go with the straight six Beamer Yoda.
@@ehiracheta wtf yoda
@@ehiracheta what an L should have gotten a camaro
@@fogetit1204 I looked at them...it was a tough call for sure. I got rid of a C7 corvette for the Supra BTW. I've owned lots of different sports cars too so I'm kinda all over the place.
@@ehiracheta interesting choice, as long as you’re happy tho 👍
I have a 22 SS 1LE. Same one as in video color and all... and that car surprises me all the time. Went to a track day and hot lapped it repeatedly and it had zero complaints. Such a good car for the money. Secured mine custom ordered for $48,000 USD and in my opinion thats the perfect price for a car with 6 fluid heat exchangers, 6 piston brakes, v8, manual, ELSD, good trackable tires and a chassis that laughs at whatever you throw at it
I got the same one! 22 SS 1LE in Rapid Blue with the 6-speed, picked mine up 3 months ago for $44k with a GM family discount. Truly incredible car.
@@colinluff1 incredible deal my friend thats the price of a loaded 1lt. Im blessed i atleast got it for MSRP special ordered
im not a big fan of the look of the modern camaro's but fuck do i respect the chassis. these cars are actually insane.
@@invertedv12powerhouse77 I wasn't really too in love with it when I first saw them. After driving a friends I fell in love with the feeling first and as time went on I started to like the car visually more and more
I’m third owner of a 981 Boxster S (60,000 miles) and couldn’t be happier. Not much to do with this car’s N/A engine except an exhaust and tune to bring it up to 370 hp and 4.2 to 60. 32 mpg at 65 on the highway. Rock solid reliable, two large trunks front and rear, and phenomenal mid engined handling with Porsche panache, and it only cost 45k! There is no substitute
You are creating such strangely perfect duo that i cannot imagine a youtube without you guys. Keep your work!
I love how the straight pipes were not about drifting it at all!!
Love it.
They also mentioned the grinding
Another manual equipped, rear wheel drive, 400hp is always a welcome thing.
Meh, another good car is always a welcome thing and that is a great recipe for a good car. It sounds a bit like Nissan thought "Pizza, wine and ice cream is a recipe for a great meal!" then blended them all together to make something that really isn't great, at least to me. I'm disappointed in a way, although happy since I don't feel like we're missing out with it not being sold here in Europe.
That sounds like a response where someone avoids the actual question. I mean, that just simply can't be accurate.
@@ApothecaryTerry Is pizza, wine, and ice cream not a great meal?
@@ApothecaryTerry What a dumb thing to say... Yeah, in europe we'll have to do with our overpriced 2.0L diesel 4pot german coupes or that bloated mustang... We're not missing much, no, we're missing it all...
This Z is an excellent RWD, fully independent suspension, car built on an extremely stiff chasis that can probably digest double the power it currently has with ease. Its probably a few bucks away on better tyres and some suspension upgrades to be a track beast.
@@cyberspectre8675 They are the ingredients for a great meal. If you have pizza with a glass of wine and then ice cream for dessert, great meal. If you put them all in a blender and drink the result...not so great 😄
Wow guys, I truly enjoyed this review. First, kudos to Nissan for keeping the legendary "Z" alive. Very refreshing, especially given today's automotive climate. Always been a fan, dating back to the early 240's. With that said, I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment. The icing on the cake for me, so to speak, was when it came down to purchasing my next fun/play car. I chose the 2023 Camaro 2SS1LE, near identical to the one shown. Rapid blue, 6 speed, no sun roof, etc. (ordered July 08th). Thanks again for a great, and extremely entertaining, video. And when I'm ready to sell, perhaps "owner number 2" (or eventually number 3) will be interested...
Is that ME for Maine?
@@1uckedout Yup, that would be correct!
@@bryanme5771 Dang, I was gonna say to give me a shout when you were thinking of passing it to owner number 2 but I'm in TX haha
@@1uckedout Sorry for the late reply. Texas isn't that far when you consider the number of reputable carriers out there. Obviously there's a price to be paid, but I'd shave a good chunk of the cost off the top of the price, helping you out if that time ever comes.
With that said, I'm having way too much fun with this car! She's a beauty and a beast! Power, 6 speed Tremac, handling, comfort, braking, etc. Fantastic! The performance exhaust is to die for, as is the rapid blue color. I love this car. Yes, it's that good!
Contrary to the online haters out there, visibility hasn't been an issue. Raise the seat, adjust your mirrors, and learn to drive! I'm amused how so many think the visibility is vastly superior in a Challenger. Can't see much more out the rear window of a Challenger. The view over the long hood, especially with the "Shaker" package, isn't an improvement either.
Regarding seating position, it's as if people think your supposed to drive with the seat in "gangsta" mode, dragging your ass on the pavement. With proper seat height adjustment, the side visibility isn't bad at all in a Camaro. Yeah, the Challenger's side view is a bit better, but not as much as the online "experts" claim.
How do I know? I own a Challenger. Go Mango, shaker package, dynamic package with 275s, adjustable suspension, bumblebee stripes, etc. So you won't hear me bashing Challengers here (or any other make for that matter). A different beast for sure, but fun and enjoyable in it's own right. Handling is actually excellent for it's size and weight.
The Camaro, however, is a true sports car and so enjoyable. A car I want to drive every day. Once again, you won't hear me bashing Mustangs, Chargers or Challengers. They're all great, and you can have fun with each of them, but the narrow mindedness and sheer ignorance surrounding the Camaro, particularly the 6th gen, is unbelievable. Their loss for sure. Be safe my friend...
I know that we went through a couple decades where a lot of American sports cars were built by accountants more than engineers, but I think we've passed that time and American sports cars can go toe-to-toe with some of the best European and Japanese cars. Sure you're not going to get a hand-built Pagani, but you're going to get a really bang for your buck, capable machine that's not overly pretentious.
America cars have always been on par. The 40's through the 60's were legendary, When things went bad in '76 to '86 pretty much every manufacturer dumbed down. My 1996 Impalla SS, 2002 C5 Z06, My 2006 z06, my current C7 Z06, 2000 Camaro SS, 2003 Ford Lightning and 1996 Dodge Ram 1500 (and a few others) all bought new and were all great cars of the time and all held their own. My next ZL1 will do just fine too. Mustangs are great cars too.
Dream on.
Ever heard of a Shelby, bud?
Evrething is bang for the buck, just depents how much money you have or not have.
“If you want to swallow your enemies, you need a big mouth”
Thomas’ face when James says that 😭😂
I briefly owned a 1994 300ZX TT. It was a heavy car with somewhat soft springs and rear tires that didn't have quite enough grip. It was scary at the limit, especially in the rain. But, if you stayed within its limits, it was a fun, comfortable ride with great ergonomics where you can just cruise around and mash the throttle to put a big grin on your face. I loved that car. I think Nissan knew exactly what it was doing with this new version.
then they can lower the price if they "know what they are doing"
you might call it stupid, There's nothing sweeter than being able to afford the luxury of having anything you desire anytime you wish
Wow this conversation is as real as the new 2024 Lancer Evo XI
@@enzogravio5412lmao
I heard Shawn Richard punches elderly people for no reason.
stfu scammers
If you call that luxury you need to get a better job 😂
The Cabbage Patch kid nearly made me spit out my coffee, especially when he was trying to hold it's hand🤣🤣 Loved the "power slid" part as well. This channel is Gold!
I've always loved Z cars. I had a 350z nismo, driven my friends 500hp z32, and another friends 370z with tire, brake, coilover upgrades. All great cars. I was watching this video and I was just like why would I get rid of my paid off SS 1LE for this car? Then you brought the bad boy out 🤣
Lol I wouldn’t trade it more power and sounds better
Same boat , no point to give up a better car for a worse platform.
Visibility, interior and turbo noises. Otherwise, just keep the Camaro.
Because the Camaro is ugly
@@allenpaul102 thats true. The new Camaros are good but ugly as sin lol
I am owner #2. I just recently purchased a one previous owner, low mileage luxury sports sedan. There are small things I am fixing, and it’s nicely maintained. Great video, guys.
I too have a Camaro SS. It's amazing. You could even have a used 2017 ZL1 for that price. I got my 2017 2SS fully loaded for 28k right when the pandemic hit. Can't beat it for the price.
Dam!!!, You Got A Steal!!!, I Have A 17 2SS Also ,Savage Machine!!!
Heck of a Steal brotha! Got my 2018 2SS with 1.2K miles for 29.5K right when the pandemic hit lol that was the best time to get a steal on these cars!
Ive been looking for a 2ss and they are all like 45-50 plus, you got a steal!
@Paul Devassy Man in jealous. $48 for my 21 1LE. I've never regretted it. Truly an amazing car
Wow, that's awesome, way to catch the dip! That car is so underrated.
Can we all take a moment to appreciate how special the GR86 is to be $30k and put down lap times with the big boys.
want one so bad but cant find a new one for sale anywhere /:
It doesn't actually. But it is a good, fun car.
@@jrzez Well, my definition of "big boys" is within the context of this video. And with a faster lap time than the Z (with almost 1/2 the hp!) and less than a second off the Supra and Mustang GT, I'd say it does.
@@PIFDIY I'd agree with you
The 370Z was $30k and $35k for the sport tech but everyone just complained. I'll never drive a lame ass BRZ/86
I'm working on getting a new Z by this coming spring. I could care less about track lap times, as I will only be driving it on the street, public roads. So its role as a GT car is perfect.
if you are in canada, I can provide you with details for one that just got in!
**Couldn’t care less**
You guys released this review at the same time as TheStraightPipes and let me tell you, I love their channel but the editing in this video is just a million times more creative. Keep up the good work.
it's like comparing apples to oranges. million times better in all ways.
straightpipes content is pretty boring now ngl
And TH drifted it 💯
Straight pipes feels like it's aimed at teenagers, these guys are more matured, give better and generally a more unbiased view.
@@gearzdesign tbh a lot of what ThrottleHouse do and who they cover seems to appeal to car people in general more. Straight Pipes is for people who think they like cars but in reality only like reading spec sheets
My first car was a 79 280zx, followed by a 76 280z. I have been looking forward to this car because it looks like a proper Z. However most reviews say the same thing, its heavy, more of a gt, falls apart at the limit. So I bought a Neptune blue gr86 and it feels like the spiritual successor to my 79 280zx.
Edit* as of 8-18-22 I have finally driven the new Z. Here are my thoughts. You can clearly see parts of different generation Z influences in its styling both inside and out. It’s fast but that’s a given. The suspension is softer than expected and if you want a GT car then this is your car. At 5’11 I would not be able to wear a helmet for track days so that’s a bummer as the seating position is really high even when the seat is in its lowest position. At its base price of $40k it’s a bargain but the example I drove was almost $54k and at that price the Supra sounds better and is quicker although I still don’t forgive the montage of fake vents. Plus in my opinion the new Z looks better but looks are subjective. At the end of the day I am just glad the new Z, Supra, BRZ, GR86, Miata, C8, Cayman, Mustang, and Camaro exist. The right answer is choose one, drive it and love it. I chose the GR86 which one did you get?
Those were the days. I had a 79 Supra. Drove it until it was dead. Always loved the 280z and zx.
@@Samlol23_drrich I am the weird guy in the room when I say I love the mark 3 Supra.
Well i mean the 280 and both 300zx's were gt cars that could pass as sports cars. Kind of same as this
@@kernoleary1394 Yeah, every Z after the original 240Z gained weight and started to focus more on luxury than driving engagement. Even reviewers back then called the 240SX a more direct successor to the 240Z than the 300ZX at the time.
Right there with you. My first was a 78 280z followed by an 82 280zx turbo, which was my favorite car. I would pass on this new one until revisions are made.
8:01 the self deprication humor by Thomas is great... James really made the channel better, but was still one of my favoriite car review channels.
When they initially announced the new Z, I was sooo excited. Over the last year or so I new it would come down to the car being described as okay.
The Z is a massive disappointment.
@@jrzez overhyped and underperforming
@@jrzez especially its current price, I'd rather buy a Supra for that price or base c8 corvette
Nissan, man. They’re the Dodge of Japan: so much focus on retro style while the underlying chassis is almost old enough to vote.
@@Antenox What needs to be changed though? Its an excellent chassis with very good suspension geometry. Throwing money at a new chassis to deliver the same things would be a waste of money.
You guys are honestly taking this TH-cam car review thing to the next level
That's my car! I picked up a brand new 2022 SS 1LE in that same Rapid Blue earlier this year for $44k. What a car.
Balance is the name of the game, both with the youngest fairlady and with you guys. I love to see the comments section popping with objective compliments and discussion after only 13 hours, and I believe it motivates you two to keep putting out high(est) quality content. Good luck and much love ❤️🤞🏼
Thank you guys so much for telling the truth. This is the most complete review of this car I've seen yet, and I feel like I understand the new Z now. They essentially made a car that appeals to the non enthusiast driver with money to spare who just wants a fast highway crusher. I personally just wish Nissan marketed it differently.
If Ghosn was still around, the car probably wouldn't exist. If it did exist, he'd put a CVT in it lol
@@soapa4279 Ghosn was pivotal in bringing back the Z (350z) and creating the gtr
"Telling the truth" ..that's laughable. End of the day it's their point of view. You cant take it as gospel. I am pretty sure every pro driver will have different opinions, depending on the track.
@@gw4886 First of all, the reason I say "telling the truth" is because as someone who watches a ton of reviews from different sources, I can tell that they have taken the time to understand and explain how good or bad it is for every kind of driver. Also when they test it on the track, their feedback is about how the car reacts when it goes around a corner, not how it goes around this specific track. Have you watched the entire video ?
Solid review. Can’t wait to see them on the road but I rather stick with my Supra. I’m loving that Camaro too, that’s a compelling argument you did for those on the fence about the new Z lol
I’m wondering if the “nismo” edition thats rumored to be produced makes it less of a “gt” car and more of an aggressive/track oriented car
lol Imagine the Nismo Calibration Engineer just seething knowing what he is cooking is what they are asking for.
Nismo price premiums have been too high in the last decade and not hugely impressive.
Definitely not gonna be worth even more money
In my mind it's not a GT car but a sports car.
@@singular9 Find a C8 for that price and come back😂
Some of the very best car reviews on TH-cam and extremely entertaining to boot! Well done guys!!!
I love the new Z, but will be interested how they develop it in the coming years. Also huge fan of the SS 1LE, but have you ever done a comparison between the 1LE with manual vs A10. I always see people saying it's faster and such, but the manual is more engaging. To compare the two in a drag and around the track would be interesting and your opinions.
I'm more of a fan of what you get with a Camaro but it might be good for people to watch the Savagegeese video too where they cover the exhaust differences between the auto/manual and a discussion on the "bones" of the car like the double wishbone front etc. Good complimentary videos on TH-cam for free. What a time to be into cars.
I love the honest review. I’m a little disappointed with the Z. It sounds like Nissan was focused on the design and paid less attention to the overall performance. Good thing the Z will have a great aftermarket to improve the performance of it.
Yeah I'd like to be owner #2 of a Rosewood Metallic performance trim and replace the suspension/exhaust and get some high perf tires.
Great video as usual... really enjoyed it! So, you said the Miata and the GR 86 were both better connected, but slower... yet the the GR 86 turned a faster lap time by a half second. So, the GR 86 is more connected and FASTER (on a track) at nearly HALF the price! LOL! I get that better tires on the Z would put it slightly ahead of the GR 86, and the addition of a nice set of coilovers would put the Z significantly ahead, but still... for nearly half the price, I'll take the GR 86, thanks!
I take comfort in knowing that the latest team at Nissan is taking feedback well these days and reacting, I’m confident Nissan hasn’t shown all its cards yet and is shaking up the scene, everyone else will up there ante to what they think is Nissans best and BOOM. Remember how the GTR had an amazing run as the sports car to rival back in the day.. excited to see Z phase 2
GM is supremely excellent at chassis and suspension tuning. The 1LE variants has been known to be very capable for a decade now. It’s always a tough match to go against a 1LE
Except if you’re in an M bimmer ;)
@@frankcastle1578 still debatable. Jason cammisa thinks that the chevy SS has better dynamics than any 5 series out there
@@popinjayjunior7698 He exaggerates...
@@frankcastle1578 Gt3 Porsche eats your trash Csl bimmer and they cost almost the same lol
@@frankcastle1578 that’s where the ZL1 1LE comes in to beat more expensive cars in the track.
Such a high quality channel. I watch a video either when I’m looking for a car to daydream about or when I’m just looking for entertainment.
Don’t be too hard on it guys, a nice GT car that doesn’t cost Aston Martin prices has its place. Great review.
This review is amazing!
So well crafted and the quality is top notch!
I like most of the styling points of the Z. Muscular, reasonably simple, not full of gimmick weirdass moldings
I'm glad someone finally made an objective review of this car. The hype around it has been ridiculous.
Hype is in your head. Its either you like the car or you don't. Supra was always the better performance car in comparison so I dont see where the hype is.
The current gold standard of car reviewers, honorable mention to Hagerty
Hagerty definitely is underrated
@@thebetterjetstreamchad3130 they are the best but i don't like the host
@@mus_xr4653 what's wrong Jason Camissa?
@@Gabilleta Nothing, i just don't like his way of talking
Don't forgot SavageGeese
Excellent and fair review. Fun, informational, and well paced. Thank you!
Great review guys. I was debating about trying out the Z but after watching your review, I decided not to bother. You did get me more excited about Toyota GR86, especially seeing it has faster lap time than the Z
for real. The GR86 is 170hp less, naturally aspirated and almost 20k less too and still beat the Z. Fuckin pathetic lol
@@StrongerThanEver84 The GR86 is a track tuned car. The Z is just a sporty GT... Compare apples to apples. The GR86 is also almost on par with the 30k+ more expensive Supra.
The GR86/BRZ are fantastic cars, to be fair. The 2023 models increased in price and I think we'll see more of that. Everybody wants one, and for good reasons.
It’s worth pointing out that the track TH tests on doesn’t really have many straights, so the more powerful cars can’t leverage their hp/weight advantage as well. The 86 also had a faster time than the Hellcat Redeye.
@@AI-qd4vb basically all I'm hearing is that the GR86/BRZ, Camaro 1LE and Supra are better all around choices for your money. And if I wanted a car that's kinda sporty and comfortable to cruise around in but is sub par in every single other category get the Z..... Got it lol
As a former owner of a 370 I'm glad they made this New Z. But for me, the Camaro all day for a true performance car. 😊
Agree and I prefer mustangs but Camaro as dope track cars
Meanwhile, Dodge made the Charger an EV..
i sold my 2015 FBO Z for 35k and bought a 2012 gti for 4k lol waiting for the gr corolla even though both cars are plagues by youtube boys so mark ups will make me do my 5 year rule
@@PyroBlonde7777 chevy will end up doing the same
Keep your 370z don't upgrade till they fix all the problems with the new Nissan z
You guys are pure geniuses and I love the sh out of your content.
How do you upgrade, entertain and make a car review better than the regular? Do this. This was awesome. Highly enjoyable. Watching you grow and improve is so satisfying. You both are inspiring to me as a content creator and just being awesome. Love this review!
I had a '17 SS until just recently when I traded it for a truck (had to have). I miss it so much. Its just so good. When I'm back in the market for a "fun" car it'll be a camaro again. Its just unbeatable for what you get.
Sadly the Camaro is headed for extinction. By the time you’re back in the market there won’t be a Camaro.
@@Jedi391 I'd just rebuy a 6th gen, I won't need a new one. The same thing you said applies to almost all ICE cars at this point. They are all headed for extinction our only option will be to buy old ones.
Very solid built cars they did a great job manufacturing them, and sound awesome
I would love to see you guys do some independent reviews and comparisons amongst a Challenger 392 Scat-Pack, Camaro SS1LE and Mustang March1. All same year (between 2018 and 2022 year models). It would be an honor for my upcoming birthday. Thanks always for being one of the most brutally honest automotive documentarians.
Thanks for still staying honest about the car boys. Love your work.
Few reviews have slammed the Z to the ground as gently as this one. Nice job as always, boys.
New versions of my first cars...... Love the 280Z -esk look of the new Z... didn't realize it would be so soft compared to the camero. Good show, thanks.
I was just thinking yesterday "I wonder when throttle house is going to do a review on the Nissan Z".. thank you for scratching that itch
YESSSS A 1LE! Thank you so much for showcasing this car, I own one and reviewers have slept on it since its release 6 years ago! I currently own one and everything you've said is true, best sports car for the money and punches above its weight.
Camaro was never slept on bro. Every journalist love it. Go back to 2016 and just look at the awards it's won over the years. Motor Trend COTY. C&D 10 Best for how many years. It was only slept on consumers who hate living with it. As an owner, you know what I mean. Shit visibility and crappy interior space. Doesn't matter for people who are buying Camaro as a sportscar, but it's not great for high volume 3.6 and 2.0T cars that people buy to daily with. Mustang and Challenger always won that battle, hence why they are smoking GM in sales, and why Camaro faces end of line.
@@jamesmin2837 We could argue day and night why the Camaro is failing in sales and we'd both be right, but I've only ever seen Motortrend and Randy Pobst bring up the Camaro after they review it, other reviewers do a video on say, say it's great, video gets little views and move on, never brought up in another comparison ever again, consumers don't know specifically what the 1LE trim is which is what I was referring, of course everyone knows about the Camaro and you can call me biased but I feel it's a car that should be brought up at every opportunity in the same way the GT350 is.
@@ScionCrush That's because enhanced handling / braking doesn't exactly sell views. People like hits for their content, and most people don't care to hear rambles about SS 1LE. It's a lot easier to sell the latest Hellcat variant and C8 videos. Not only that, Camaro has ages quite a bit now. With very little changes, and there just isnt much to talk about. Mustang GT PP2 never got its proper due either. It's certainly never even going to be brought up in any comparison test. But Mach1 will and Shelby GT350/GT500 will because it is just more interesting to the viewers.
Great format for reviewing please continue this. When will c8 make it to the leaderboard?
Not gonna lie, you guys absolutely kick ass. I passed one of these up for an SLK 55 AMG for over 10k less than this and I do not regret it.
Great storytelling! loved every second, one of the best reviews of the year so far.
Easily the best, most honest review seen to date. Thanks guys.
I guess I'll just stick to my Z32 300ZX.
"the five spoke is an homage to the four spoke" actually cracked me up. xD
I own a 18 SS 1LE and that thing is a track beast! You can easily go FBO and you’ll have more than enough RELIABLE power for the track and street
I own a 2019 1LE as well and I couldn't have said it better. The farthest ill probably go after the warranty is FBO. Going towards boosted is a waste imo since you buy the ss for the raw power.
Had ‘19 SS1LE… tracked it. loved it. Got a GT4 recently and I may or may not be considering going back to SS1LE (or ZL1?). the GT4 costs 3x as much and no where near 3x as good.
What an outstanding review. I had a 370z, absolutely loved it, but this new one seems to have all of the same issues! I'll never forget how I could never get the car into 6th gear over 180kmh and how the rear was so strangely sprung that it used to just bounce around... But the steering was the best I've experienced, on par with my v8 vantage.. Pity it's now electric
Interesting having the V8 Vantage as your best steering. I've only ever driven one once and it didn't impress me at all in that regard, but it was on track with slicks so not representitive of the car in general. I was there to drift an NA MX-5 too so any steering feels vague after driving one of those! Porsche steering is also top notch, mostly.
I've turned into such a steering snob lately though, trying to replace my 981CS and I've test driven about 15 cars...none had great steering at all. Some kind of ok, most poor. Trying a 540i xDrive was a mistake, I think they took the steering rack off the Titanic (after it sank). Luxobarge, but my old Lexus hybrid felt like a Lotus by comparison. Haven't driven a 370Z though, too old for my next car and the fuel cost meant I didn't even consider it over the porker, but I might have to have a go in one just to try that steering 🙂
It's because this new Z is basically the old one just with new exterior sheet metal and the Q60 Red Line engine, which isn't anything to write home about.
Had a 2022 2SS with a 6 speed for around 5 or so months, car was absolutely phenomenal. I miss it every day. Can’t wait to get into another one or possibly a corvette.
Thanks for the review. You broke me of my mighty need for this version. I will stick to finding a good used 370Z.
I love the rear and side profile of this car, the front end is a big letdown tho but nothing an aftermarket grill and bumper can’t fix
And having owned a 370z, the aftermarket will find solutions for that quite quickly. Hope to own the new Z in a few years.
And yet I adore the simplicity…
search nissan z customized proto. IMO that is how the Z should have come from the factory
Headlights are bad as well
@@AvidUTuber hahahahahahaha. You're joking right?
Can confirm. SS 1LE Made for track. I’m glad you made this comparison, I was on the fence about trading my SS 1LE in for the new Z but after watching this there is no way in hell. Hopefully a NISMO version transforms it.
Nismo version will be like $60k. Why would anyone buy that over a slightly used ZL1? Lol. I mean if performance is what they care about
Nissan Z is garbage. I bought a SS 1LE recently myself. Nissan screwed up.
I fell in love with Z cars as a kid playing with Hot Wheels. That Love never stopped. I own 3 Z cars now and will always have at least one. I will get this car but not until the markups drop down. Until then I have a 84, 88, and 94 to enjoy..
Z’s have always been this way, well, at least since the 350z for sure.
What was special about the older ones was how they woke up once you stiffened them and opened up their exhaust- taking the GT out.
Who knows how this version will do with modifications but with a turbo engine, my bet is that you can make it fast af.. Although, as usual with that combo, less reliable & maybe less fun.
Great review as always 🥇
Well this motor has been out since 2016 so we already know the potential which is good. Hopefully the new Z will open up even more potential
turbocharged manual cars are not as fun. soon as the boost kicks in, you're at redline and its time to shift again.
I know you guys don't generally cover modified cars, but I think alot of people would be interested to see the Z lap again in the future once aftermarket suspension and some other bits become available.
Why do people always think aftermarket are just better?
yeah lets just have them redo all the cars as well then to keep it even lol please
@@comeberza because if your concern is going faster on a track...it is better as long as you use high quality parts and set them up properly. Nissan has to compromise to make one car for the guy that wants to track and a guy that wants to just drive to starbucks...if you know you want to track it, then you can be more aggressive with suspension and tuning than the OEM.
@@comeberza not that people think aftermarket is "better", but that if you want to go faster it definitly is. You can buy parts that are designed to adjust the car in a way that will make it faster. It doesnt always mean itll drive better, or be a better street car but it will make certsin aspects better as the owner chooses.
Also nissan knows people will modify them.
dude aftermarket is slowly becoming a waste and only a rich man game since all these part shortages and long wait times
7:51 every time i see this again i tear up a little bit. thank you for being the best supply/substitute teacher
I believe a Camaro SS 1LE can be had for 50 and that is the best sports car you can buy for that price
Facts
@@FrosenHell yeah and the Camaro does that better than the z…so your comment shows your ignorance level
@@FrosenHell
Sounds very European of you. It's literally one of the best handling cars under $45k.
It's a bulky boi
Naaah... A used c7 or even a c6 are better in my opinion
I actually really appreciate how the A91 Supra and this 400z have pretty different appeal, that way they’re not such direct competitors that all we hear about is people comparing them endlessly
There is no 400Z.
@@EK-rr2md wah wah i cant handle people giving better names to a car
@@worst5digit84 what? Try to make some sense next time, lol.
@@EK-rr2md wahhhhhhhh wahhhhh wahhhhhh
@@worst5digit84 another failure. Try again, 😅🤣😂
the immediate difference in smile after jumping in the SS by thomas is golden 🥰🥰
This makes me wonder what the 2025 Z will be like. In a couple model years when they've hopefully ironed out some of the kinks. Fix the second gear grinding, maybe stiffer springs, even make the steering more responsive. That, or the inevitable Nismo version which ought to be much more of a performance car
that orange one woth that split grill
Probably going to be fully electric if it ever happens...
@@Ta3kno the nismo isn’t going to be electric what 💀
@@Ta3kno nah knowing Nissan this car will stay relatively unchanged until 2030+
@@Ta3kno Nissan is Cheap and follows the quote "Don't fix it, if it's not broken" VERY OFTEN, they're not gonna spend millions on a new ass model when they can still milk the current one for more.
2nd gear grind was also a problem in my 06 g35. Led to a clutch replacement at 75k.
deal breaker ! bites from first to sec aaand bites from third to sec. bad bad bad !
Loved the Review! I have an SS 1le I I track it a couple times a year. You guys were right on the money. Also the jokes at the end killed me!
To note, did you guys experience fuel cutoff? Savageese got fueling issues when tracking the car with under half a tank of fuel and it could contribute to the slow lap times.
This review was excellent. Let's be honest though. The future Z owners are so cult-like that they're going to buy this vehicle no matter what.
Let them take the first big depreciation for the others lol
I'm a 370z owner and I have no interest in this 🤷♂️ my buddy with a 370z feels the same way. I honestly don't think this is gonna pull in a lot of past Z owners, that's not the market.
@@mavrick15243 you are kind of right cause it’s not in the same budget bracket anymore. Used to be a cheap sport car and that’s what we liked about it.
@@GLedgyt for sure, it was such a good value. Even a decade into production, it was basically the fastest car you could get for the price. 7500 rpm 3.7l V6, excellent 6MT, very raw and communicative, very settled and balanced handling. You just couldn't beat it. The new one has a less inspiring engine, the manual grinds gears, it's more insulated, and it's not settled or balanced at all on a track. A swing and a miss.
@@mavrick15243 You dont think past Z owners are the target market? Why would all of their marketing material feature past Z owners and all of the inspiration taken from older Z's? I've owned a z32 and a 370z and I am for SURE interested. I think once you fall in love with Z's you want to stay with them and Nissan knows that
My first car was an 88 300zx. All black, black leather interior, t tops! Standard transmission, turbo charged, dual exhaust. Loved it. 😍
I have never regretted one day of owner ship of my 2019 Camaro SS 1LE, and I fully enjoy using it as owner 3 does even though I’m owner 1.
Ss1le is the best car of this generation. Love mine to death
For $50k a couple of used AMG come in my mind right away. Make no mistake at this point the repair prices of Nissan have come up pretty high so repair bills of the amg won't turn me away.
Its ugly asf too. No reason at all to buy the Z
Um no Mercedes parts are more expensive and unreliable than a Nissan
@@Fadz-zg6bt w204 c63 is not unreliable by any means. Just people not willing to maintain them. And u get much more in a w204 than what Z offers.
4:19 A reference to the Canadians from Southpark! 😂 These are all right up my alley.
I was looking forward to this review. I have an 86 that I was considering trading in for the Z in a year, but honestly I think ill stay with the 86 and probably slap a supercharger on it for more fun at the track. While I love Zs, I dont think this is a big enough upgrade since I have to do the same modifications as I did to my 86 (wheels, tires and coilovers) to make it a track weapon, and my 86 is already a very good track car.
I turboed my 2013 brz. Best thing I've ever done to a car hands down. You will not regret it.
Yeah but you should probably also consider the aftermarket tunability of the vr30 engine vs the 86. If you want big power (and torque) its no doubt cheaper to go new Z and IMO look way better
Or just get a 1LE, or a Mustang Mach 1, both are awesome street/track cars right off the showroom floor. You will end up saving yourself a lot of money and aggravation.
@@kernoleary1394, I'd buy the manual A90 if that was the case. it's years ahead chassis wise, easier to work on, and the B58 can take far more than the VR30 can
@@kernoleary1394 true, but, I can also get a built block with forged internals, high boost pulley on a supercharger and make well over 600whp and still be shy of what the performance package z costs. Or I can LS swap an 86 and still be shy of what a performance package Z costs and have a more lightweight package with sharper handling characteristics.
This car is a great blend of forward thinking as well as heritage, at a competitive price point. On my radar for sure.
PASS until Nismo Edition 👀
Where’s the forward thinking?
Its ugly AF though
@@kylegallant3423 you're an outlier. most people like it.
@@kylegallant3423 looks better than mustangs Camaros and Supra. Outperforms the mustang and Camaro too