Why Pokemon BDSP Failed As A Remake
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- It's safe to say that BDSP did NOT live up to expectations and this shows more as when compare these remakes to those of the past. In this video I go into detail about why Pokemon BDSP failed as a remake.
My problem was that they basically took the OG games, made it worse, turned it into 3D and didn’t really add anything new. Even platinum had more things added than BDSP. It should’ve been like ORAS where they added so much new things from mechanics to Redesigns to plot, that it basically felt like a new game but still felt true to the original… ORAS is how a REMAKE should be
And honestly, with the topic of Platinum...I still can't understand why they never make remakes for the third game of a group! Like, an Ocean Blue or a Thunderous Yellow or a Beta Emerald or a pending name for a Crystal remake or a Glistening Platinum or-
Like, they went the extra mile of making game triplets in the old days, but only made doubles in remakes! I literally forgot Crystal existed because they only made HeartGold and SoulSilver
@@damienearl8302 Yeah I'm kind of surprised we didn't get Electric Yellow, Mind Crystal, or Delta Emerald, although HGSS does have a lot of stuff from Crystal like the Legendary Dog plotline to the point where HGSS is basically a Crystal Remake but still combines stuff from GS like the fact you can get Mareep since it wasn't in Crystal. I wish FRLG made it so that your starter pokemon follows you though but other than that FRLG was good enough.
@@damienearl8302Lets go Pikachu was Yellow’s remake.
@@conflictedomega7562 ...fair, but in defense of the original comment, it came out *way* later
I so feel this comment. I’m a massive fan of the gen 4 games and after playing ORAS I was so excited for this remake. It was alright but definitely underwhelming. I also really miss mega evolution and I was hoping they would bring it back in BDSP. Just a big disappointment though.
The thing that disappointed me the most with BDSP is the lack of character redesigns. I liked seeing the characters getting refreshed designs for the current age. In ORAS, characters like Maxie and Archie got massive glow ups. I also love how Pokémon remakes may introduce new characters for certain features, such as Aarune for secret bases and Lisia for contests in ORAS, and Celio for the Pokémon Network Center, a feature allowing you to connect to other Gen 3 games in FRLG. BDSP didn’t have any character redesigns or any new characters for the new features. Imagine if we got a new character to introduce us to Ramanas Park, or redesigns for any of the characters in BDSP.
I thought Cynthia’s 3D model in the SM Battle Tree looked so good but BDSP Cynthia looked meh. They were wearing the same clothes but I realized that it was the lighting. The lighting made everything too bright and the textures looked too smooth.
@Madoka The whole time I played Omega Ruby I could not tell if Tabitha was male or female. I had to look it up on Bulbapedia, which says he is male, but his design still looks like an overweight short-haired woman to me and coupled with his name it's hard to shake that perception
I feel like after Gen 3, nobody really needs redesigns anymore.
I was hoping for some new looks too, but the thing that got me the most was how they didn't add any new dialogue to the gym leaders (at least that I saw, still haven't finished and would absolutely play PLA for another 400 hours before that) and I was really hoping that they would add some more personality because the bar is higher for characters now.
@@zygoat2369 Wait, really? I've...never really been confused about that
my concern with gen 5 remakes is game freak will let ilca make them and we will end up never seeing any of the bw2 content again... bc if they couldn't add platinum content to bdsp there is NO WAY they're smushing together two whole games;;;;
If we are geting Gen 5 remakes I'm totaly aspecting BW2 to be made in to some sort of DLC. Platinum didn't have enoght content to have a DLC of its own, but BW definatly do. But who knows maby insead of that we might get a Gen 5 Legend Kyurem.
I hope they never make an actual remake of Generation 5. I'd much prefer an original game that takes inspiration from it, like Legends Arceus was (possibly another Legends game, but it doesn't have to be). Even something half-original half-remake like Let's Go would be better than repeating the BDSP debacle.
From what I've heard, Ilca wanted to do a lot more with the games and if you look at some of the concept art that Ilca made for the game, it looks way better than the finished product. The issue is that GameFreak really restricted what Ilca could do with the game, which is how BDSP turned into the broken mess that it is. Therefor, I don't mind Ilca making another mainline game, I just wish they were given more freedom to make their own interpretation of the Pokemon format.
BW2 remakes would probably be remade as separate games. They aren't enhanced versions of BW1 with some extra content like Emerald to Ruby and Sapphire or Platinum to Diamond and Pearl; they're direct sequels with a different story like the Johto games to the Kanto games.
I think you’re wrong about bw2 that’s easy money gf would be throwing away
HGSS and ORAS have the most important mechanics to include into any remake going forward - HGSS and ORAS have *SO MUCH* content, with the latter even acknowledging the things that came out after Hoenn and redesign the region around that to truly make it feel like a modern retelling rather than being 1:1.
You make a crucial point. They needed to redesign Sinnoh to take into account the new graphics and fact you move around with a circle pad rather than a d-pad. The original dungeons are simply not designed for movement in 8 directions, and the less said about snowpoint city gym the better.
@@intergalactic92 Right. ORAS gave the player the option of using the circle pad, which was used for modern games around that time, or the retro d-pad, which was used for the original RS.
HeartGold and SoulSilver are still, and unfortunately always will be, the peak of Pokémon remakes. They're amazing games, the best in the series in my opinion, but it’s really sad to know and see that gamefreak just hasn't and isn't going to put that same indie love and passion into their mainline Pokémon games anymore.
Whole heartedly agree with you HGSS will always be peak pokemon,
i hated heartgold
I think omega ruby and alpha sapphire deserve more credit they were amazing remakes too
@@SuperM789Why?
(Or is it one of those things you hate with a passion and don’t know why)
All the remakes had pros and cons yall defending the games you love it's that simple. Can't make yall happy and thats what gamefreak realized.
The rhetorical question where you asked if Pokémon devs just puts minimal effort because they know the games will sell millions of copies regardless, the answer is an astounding yes.
its also a lack of time
I think you mean “resounding” and not “astounding”.
@@finalregion6247 at least Scarlet and Violet have tons of other great qualities that make them worth it
@@nutnut6161 Yeah i really liked Violet, argubaly the best game story wise alongside BW.
Funny i remember how everyone used to think Black/White was trash when it came out and now it's viewed as a classic, think it'll be the same with Scarlet/Violet.
@@hithere9393 This will happen with every generation at some point simply due to nostalgia and the fact that no matter how bad these games are from a technical standpoint, someone somewhere is still gonna hold that game/generation fondly
Heartgold and Soulsilver were the best remakes just because they allowed you to have 16 BADGES and can travel to the Kanto Region which NO OTHER POKEMON GAME can do.
It was just insane to go back to the Kanto region after beating the Johto Gym Leaders and E4 and was unexpected to even surpass collecting 8+ badges.
You forgot about a expansion to the Johto regional dex and rematches of new team members for each Gym leader and elite four and Chapion.
All the Gen 2 games had the Kanto Region unlocked after beating the Elite Four & Mt silver after gaining all of the 16 badges
@@courage1363 Not really an expansion since they still pulled the same crap FR/LG did when it came to evolutions from later gens
GSC > HGSS
@@coachbarnthat's really controversial, Kanto is so much more fleshed out in HGSS. I'd still prefer crystal but that's just nostalgia. That national park tune slaps, bops and rocks
i think that everyone’s favorite pokémon generation usually being the first one they played makes a lot of sense seeing that pretty much most of all pokémon games following the same pattern, therefore the first one the person plays feels the most original and most memorable
Nope. I’ve been a player since red/blue. Not my favorite gen.
@@SavStatus12Same. Played every game from RB to USUM. Favorites are BW1, XY, and HGSS.
First game was Diamond Gen five (BW/BW2) are my favorite games
First pokemon game I actually played was XD Gale of Darkness, then gen 4, 5 and every game since. I've played every gen/region in some form and Gen V is imo clearly bigger and better than any other gen
@@durpanda123 i think even people who dislike Gen V will generally admit that it is the generation that got boldest about committing to new ideas in a thoughtful way
To give credit where its due, ILCA knows how to make battles more difficult. Noticed more trainers use held items, and the all the new E4/Gym leader rematches? You can even fight major characters, including Team Galactic!, in the Battle Tower. My favorite addition is the new Dawn/Lucas fight; something I always wanted! Too bad it's only on weekends post game and not during the story, but still a great addition. BDSP just needed more stuff like this.
Barry uses held items as early as the Pastoria City fight
My only beef was how friendship was mandatory and it took the challenge away. If they made it optional, the challenges would have been incredible
@@kirby401 There's ways to minimize it, but it is annoying. If you fight most optionals, then your team will be friendly by mid game. Besides that, it's still challenging.
@@kirby401 they merged friendship and affection in Let's Go (I think) and split them back up in S/V
@@thediabolicalraisin8953 They split it back? Good to hear. :)
What concerns me is the fact that multiple 3D iterations later and you can really see gamefreak and sub studios struggling in the 3D aspect of the development. Many decisions and assets in the game raise an eyebrow really quick to anyone with any sort of industry oriented graphics experience.
From literal seams in the meshes (rather than UV seams) to blending multiple rendering pipelines, to how they handle asset management, it's no surprise that many of the core titles can't maintain beyond a 30 lock.
Combine this with multiple other issues, and I genuinely think GameFreak has reached a point the name itself sells the series and as such they are focused pretty much exclusively on profit over quality. The reason for this is left to speculation, but something to keep in mind is Pokemon is almost if not 3 decades old now. 30 years is a long time for the creator to keep things up, and he isn't exactly hurting for money either.
If anything from the 3DS to now has shown me anything about GameFreak, it is that they are indeed 2D devs messing in 3D space and just no longer really care for the same values they had back at it's inception.
It’s also the fact that they absolutely refuse to make room for new, experienced 3D devs
They don’t know how to program or optimize games, they never have lol
Gamefreak aren't just 2-D devs, they are ass-backwards devs overall. Their games are almost all bugged; they don't code too well. And, yeah, since the merch and the anime took over the main sales, the games now serve as glorified advert for everything else. That's why the games are shit; you just roll around with the new Pokemon in the current gen for less than 3 years before a new gen rolls out.
Diamond and Pearl have a special place in my heart, first mainline pokemon game i played, and i played it a lot. I was exited for years about an eventual remake of my childhood game, and the thought of diamond and pearl remake on the switch and experiencing the sinnoh region in modern 3D graphics made me so exited. It was a nice remaster, but compared to what we expected compared to previous remakes, it breaks my heart to know I will never experience sinnoh again like i imagined for many years...
if they mess up generation 5 remakes imma be so annoyed. especially when it comes to the story. they story in black and white is the best story theyve ever had (scarlet/violet are close) and if they mess it up, it could ruin generation 5 for a lot of ppl
I agree 100% black and white’s story is the best so if gamefreak messes it up I’ll be disappointed.
@@KingZoroark At this point, I'd prefer if they left gen 5 alone. They're absolute gems that don't need to be ruined as GameFreak most likely would.
Gen 5 dosen’t need a remake!
@@chloboshoka id like one. you may not want one, but i do
@@matadeverdoemden just released it again for switch that’s it lol
Personally for me its the chibi and the way the character / following pokemon walks. If you go near a ledge, it automatically counts as two steps so you get sucked in and jumped off a ledge, this is specially hard when you are trying to go up to Mt. Coronet. Like come on ILCA, of all the things you had to make it suck its the movement and your walking buddy getting constantly stuck. Also the standard formula is basically following the current gen graphics but BDSP, instead of following the better Gen 8 graphics, they didnt. Of all the remakes, this one was not made with love, this one was rushed to make a quick cash grab before PLA. Gamefreak should not have gave it to ILCA to handle. I'd rather not them have gen 5 remakes if they are just going to chibify it with the bad pokemon following animation.
the 2d sprites are chibi
@@unscripted483Almost any childs mind would have interpreted the chibi 2ds as real humans tho - with 3D, everything seems way more realistic so it feels like you are actually looking at Chibi People instead of real people. The kids who played DPP will never be able to see modern Sinnoh the way they imagined it as kids this way.
The Pokémon remakes before BD/SP were amazing. They strengthened pretty much every aspect of the original games while adding new content, not taking it away. While I haven’t played AS/OR or BD/SP, FireRed, LeafGreen, and SoulSilver are some of my favorite games in the series. They made games that were already amazing so much more enjoyable for both new players and old. I can only hope the Gen V remakes aren’t treated as another minimal-effort cash cow.
I think battle frontier should be mandatory in every game. It’s truly the only post game content besides battling other people
I didn't play any pokemon games after finishing Sapphire. Original Sapphire, not the Alpha one. It was only last year that I got back into Pokemon, and Brilliant Diamond struck the perfect balance between the familiar 2D vibe with modern and 3D touches here and there. It reinvigorated my interest in the franchise, and for that I continue to be thankful.
So whatever else it is for other people, it was a great bridge for bringing me back from my nearly 2-decade hiatus.
i don't think it deserves the hate it gets, better than scarlet or violet if you ask me
And the fandom still ate it up and bought lots of copies giving Gamefreak the message that they can get away with lazy remakes.
Black 2 and White 2 don't need remakes just ports imo
I would totally buy black and white 2 ports the second they are released
BDSP should've had its own Delta Episode involving Giratina and the Distortion World.
I understand not wanting to mess with the pre-Hall of Fame story from Diamond and Pearl in what are ostensibly remakes of Diamond and Pearl (no matter how many Platinum quality-of-life adjustments they brought over), but that doesn't mean they couldn't have repurposed elements from Platinum's story for a post-Hall of Fame storyline.
Speaking of unfairly ignored Platinum content, why don't we have any post-game storylines involving Looker or Charon? Heck, the latter even got replaced with a nameless grunt on one of the special box wallpapers; leaving his silhouette on it then properly introducing him after the credits roll would be such delicious foreshadowing.
fun fact: so much code was reused from the original games that they still check for gba cartridges in some areas
I really hope they make BW remakes good, cause that’s my favorite Gen and I don’t want it to get ruined…
It really is disgusting the treatment they gave such a beloved generation. Those of us who’ve played since gen 1 still remember the jump to the Nintendo DS as the single most significant advancement arguably in pokemon history. Granted the graphics were not a massive improvement from Emerald but with the dual screens, the wifi and other connectivity features and the shift to a more 3D look, it FELT revolutionary. Gen 4 deserved better.
can't say much on the topic as I skipped gen 4 and 5 (except Heart Gold) and I couldn't really get into BDSP much. I think I got 3 badges only? I still want to go back and at least finish the league, but well... time has passed and now I've got 140 hours into Violet. Also hearing about all its problems and how it doesn't include a lot of the Platinum content you'd want to experience, especially when playing it for the first time, has really lowered my motivation for BDSP.
Finally, I would have loved to get Shaymin and Darkrai but I think I missed the events. I really dislike the old-fashioned distribution events and would have liked them to move on from that and add the mythicals to the game. They're not fun to collect, they're years of waiting an utter pain when you miss them. And speaking of legendaries (and mythicals), you do hit the mark - I indeed wish you had to work for it too. Explore caves, do puzzles, etc., like in the old days. Just codes aren't fun anyway
I find BDSP to just be an overall downgrade to DP. Maybe besides the surfing speed, I guess. The forced EXP Share is an absolute game killer. It works perfectly well in an open world like Legends Arceus and SV, but it is just detrimental when it comes to the old style. I was struggling so hard to keep Rhyhorn on a similar level to the rest of my team. I had to spam rare candies and always use Rhyhorn in front of my team to have it keep up with the rest of my team that I wasn't even using. You could argue I should just box my team (people have argued this), but then I might run into situations where I need to switch or risk losing the fight because I am up against some water type or something.
Am I the only one who thought this game was fine?
For me, it was 100% the Chibi art that was the issue. Gen 8 wasn’t perfect art wise, but it’s 10 times better than weird chibi stuff :(
The original Pokemon DP games came out just when I was old enough to actully understand what was happening and what I needed to do
2:32 also in response, HGSS were not Crystal remakes yet managed to integrate aspects of the Crystal storyline (ie. Suicune and Eusine) into it, so they could have easily added more aspects of platinum.
As a fan of Platinum, the Gen 4 remakes really disappointed me. Unlike HGSS and ORAS but it is what it is, still at least there are rom hacks that make it possible as to what fans really want and I'm thankful for those people for putting in the effort of remaking it
Pokemon died the moment it moved to the Switch. Missing features, missing Pokemon, lame villains and sloppy programming with tons of bugs. I'm gonna stick with Gen 1-7 and the fan games from now on.
Same but with gens 1-5
Fire red and heartgold are my favourite games and clearly there both remakes. They improved so much on the originals
I agree, they really did miss the mark. Omitting moves made in these games originally also screws over the integrity of BDSP. Also, why not include new alternate forms like past remakes did? Let's Go had the Alolans, FRLG had the new Unowns, and ORAS has new megas and forms. There's really no excuse.
Honestly, the next developer who should work on a remake is "genius seniority". They crushed it with the ganecube Pokémon game, and battle revolution.
Great video! The 8bit outro version of "I wonder" really did it for me 🔥
Great video brother! It’s so disappointing that GameFreak dropped the ball with probably the most desired remake thus far 😭 Still a joy to playthrough but a disappointment nonetheless
How are you still a pokemon fan, aren't you going to get tired from playing the same classic games
@@SMCwasTaken I feel like there are so many franchises you could give that same criticism. Imo Pokémon has evolved enough/withstood the test the time and kept me interested as someone who loves playing chill RPGs.
ORAS were fun but there were some missing features that really should have been there like the mirage tower in the desert, the team magma hideout in the volcano and obviously the battle frontier. I think FRLG and HGSS are much better remakes than what we’ve been getting recently and that makes me worried about black and white whenever they release them
Same I really hope gamefreak doesn’t ruin them especially since they are my favorite Pokémon games
I am starting to think im the only one that LOVES BDSP 😂
Out of genuine curiosity: what do you like about them?
To me they just seem like a faster but worse version of platinum
@@daanstrik4293To me, the whole experience could be summarized as: "Pokemon Diamond/Pearl, but in 3D and the Elite Four + Champion are more difficult now". Other than that, BDSP got nothing new or original to offer. Should have saved my bucks for better future Pokemon games ;(
I know I'm not doing pre orders anymore, they simply aren't worth it when I can buy the games later for cheaper and not miss anything.
I really enjoyed BDSP but even I noticed things missing suck as flints team in the elite four STILL only having two fire types unlike it was in platinum
I don’t understand why Pokémon doesn’t make the battle frontier like they did in platinum in future games. I spent hours playing it and the variety of game styles made it so fun
Wish they would make some modern 2D pokemon games. Could be pretty cool with the right formula.
Other than the new moves introduced since Gen 4, the Fairy-Type, and cross-gen evolutions related to those available in Gen 4, BDSP feel like a glorified port of Diamond and Pearl.
Your video was very well done! You presented each argument in a calm and collective manner, while also backing up your claims and not shying away from highlighting the additions and features you liked about BDSP. Many people are passionate about this topic, and as such, get very angry when creating their own videos, turning the videos into more so biased rants rather than an informed opinion piece.
Thanks so much for watching im happy that you enjoyed it 😊
i still find it hilarious that gamefreak hasn’t been able to get following pokemon right for a while.
it worked in let’s go, hgss, and even in yellow for the game boy for gods sake, yet they can’t get it to work in bdsp, swsh or sv
i also find it funny that gamefreak can’t seem to decide on the tm situation, we went from them breaking upon use, then being able to be reused infinitely, then having tms remain while trs break, then tms breaking again, pick a god damn lane
For me the biggest reason that it failed as a remake is the fact that it added almost nothing compared to platinum. Better yet, it didn't include some added content that platinum had. So yeah you could catch all the legendaries but besides that, its more like a remaster. Heck i even like the low poly 3d + 2d sprite based look of the ds games a lot more compared to the chibi 3d look the remakes have
BDSP hit the wall and stalled for me the moment I realized I would need to pay for online to trade and evolve the pokemon I wanted to use on my team. The flat out removal of a key feature to place it behind a paywall left me feeling highly bitter. Gave up about 2/3rds of the way through shield and didn't even bother buying into S&V. Pokemon definitely ain't it anymore and GFs complacency is to blame
New Soundtrack is bad:
- some instruments sound terrible
- some tracks are missing
- they abused of reverberation
- new pokemon sounds/screams are not close enough to how the original did sound like
- overral this OST lack identity
Art ?
- Blobbish cheap-ass chibi
- Lakes don't seem magic anymore, the water looks absolutely normal meanwhile in the OG versions these crucial locations seemed so special with their vivid blue water (especially at night)
Technical aspect ?
- Capped at 30FPS for a 2D game like this is kind of a shame
- We can see ugly pixels around characters in docked mode (only on emulators with 2K resolution it starts being acceptable)
- The camera is too zoomed in for no reason
- The UI looks horribly big
- You can glitch pretty much anywhere
Gameplay ?
- Same as before but the attacks animations being lazy, I can tell you that the NDS visuals were better
- No option to make the battles faster
- Ugly zooms on chibi characters look awful
Honestly, this game just feels like an average fan made game. I hope if they ever remake Platinium that they will make a remake honoring proprely the legacy of that gen
I agree with the soundtrack. I didn't like the route 209 remake version
I'm scared to see Unova remakes. I feel that they will completely sap the soul out of the games when they remake them. It would be SO cool if they made Gen 5 remakes with pixel-style art. Will never happen though.
I feel like I’m one of the very few people who didn’t mind BDSP being a 1 to 1 remake. I haven’t restarted my copy of Diamond I had since 2007 due to having hacked it and having 999 rare candies (I like to use to level whenever I replay the DS games to minimize grinding) but I have wanted to replay it. BD let me relive childhood memories and it was nice, but I do wholeheartedly agree it missed the mark as a Pokémon remake.
After Arceus it definitely showed that was where the majority of the effort was put and I can’t complain too much, but waiting so long for Gen 4 remakes and receiving what amounted to remasters was very disappointing.
That being said, it would be very nice to get FRLG and HGSS get some remastering too. Those games are so close to perfect and adding the current QoL improvements would be a much needed refresh. Just maybe let ILCA get some more experience if they’re gonna outsource to them again 😅
I mean. Terastalization and gems seem like perfect compliments. Maybe you can have someone in Clay's town be from Paldea and trade you Tera shards for gems. Or maybe gems can be retconned to be smashed directly into Tera shards.
A new legends game surrounded around unova would be amazing as we could potentially see what the original dragon would look like
Just found my pokewalker from high school. My badass ninetails is still on there!
The problem with BDSP in a nutshell, Y’all wanted a Platinum remake lol
No in a nutshell we wanted a game that added content every single remake previously did. Look the Nintendo fanboy out his head in the ground and ignored the laziness.
No battle frontier in any game at this point is pure laziness
Great video, would just recommend to tone down the volume in the intermissions, they kinda jumpscared me ngl
Idk I really liked BDSP🤷🏽♂️ thought they were fun and just a calm game to play through. Though it do enjoy it a little more since it was my first time playing sinnoh. For sure platinum looks like it’s better, But other than that I had a really fun time with this game.
the thing folks forget
THose games were "The best" because in a pre-bank/Home era, many of the remakes served as exclusive access to unobtainable pokemon: (Gen 3's FL/LG as well as Col/XD only served to give access to Kanto/Johto mons that couldn't be found in Hoenn. Thus only existing to complete the dex)
The same also for HG/SS (you needed it to complete the dex of Gen IV due to certain mons being unavailable since Nintendo was slow phasing out the GBA)
In the bank era, this kinda became moot and thus was a slow phase-out of a complete natdex
OR/AS, only existed for VGC competitive viability (folks needed the mark in order to take legendaries onto competitions outside of free battles/Move Tutors
LGP/LGE's existence was mostly to give access to Kanto mons in the new gens and the only way to get Meltan/Melmetal
BD/SP kinda is in the same boat by giving some access to Sinnoh mons that weren't findable in SW/SH and as a gimmick to link PLA.
in short, remakes aren't really nostalgic, they're just all cashgrabs that existed so you could buy them to complete the dex
5:05 every Pokemon games performance would shine if you compare it with Scarlet/violet:D
In suprised you never mentioned Fire Red and Leaf Green as good looking remakes. The last time we were in Kanto was on the GameBoy before the GBA and it had updated sprites and vibrant colors all throughout.
There was also post game and an updated story with us going to Sevii Islands
7:07 Yes, literally yes. People that work at game freak have said so, that executives know that the games will sell well regardless of quality.
I will finally die happy if Gen 5 gets a remake in the HD-2D style graphics like Octopath Traveller.
A Pokémon heart gold remake would of been sick if they made it 3d
The diamond and pearl remakes kinda felt like a unity fan project.
After the video my finger suddenly press like
You describe perfectly what I think about the remake
The sad part is even tho I do plan on getting the original diamond pearl and platinum for ds, I still have to buy bdsp just to complete my legends arceus pokedex as I can't get Darkari without a save file form bdsp
I understand that the games every gen are gonna lack something, I understand that we should voice when something feels odd. But I also understand...the devs are put in crunch time, from a technical point of view they want to ship a MVP and make a bank, and any new feature or asset takes time to develop, create, animate, and test for it to meet the deadline. What I am trying to say is, I understand both sides, and the real culprit is pretty evident: making as much buck as possible in as little time as possible.
On a side not, am I the only one that feels that every video, rant, or criticism about missing content GF just goes like: "Don't tempt me, I still can cut that out!"
Before I even watch I have an answer that sums it up...
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The games literally had the exact same bugs that the DS game had and to me that just speaks volumes
BDSP really upset me. Sinnoh had my favorite pokemon of any generation. After the incredible ORAS, I was super excited for what they would do to improve gen 4. Its such a shame how they did nothing new.
I like character customization n everything but GF really just needs to design cool characters again with that classic trainer DRIP.
S&V protags were devastating. milk toast af 🍞🍞🍞
The fact that I didn’t buy the remake to my favorite Pokémon generation is insane. I feel like I’d have more fun just playing Platinum.
I personally don’t dislike BDSP as much as others do. I think the artstyle’s charming and I consider it to be an improved version of Diamond and Pearl (strictly the originals not counting platinum), as it’s mostly the same game with slight changes. I feel like most of the hate comes out of fans’ expectations not being met, especially coming after ORAS which were more so reimaginings of the originals instead of straight remakes like this game is. My only deep criticism of this game is how absurdly easy friendship grows it sucks having to use bitter items to keep your party from becoming artificially overpowered.
the transitions are so loud compared to the narration; it's a jumpscare every time lol
They only released this game as a way to have very young fans understand the context of Pokemon Legends Arceus. Given how hard it is to legally play D/P and even Pt, GameFreak, TPCI and Nintendo needed fans to have a quick journey in Sinnoh to then later understand the context of the lore in Legends Arceus. While this idea isn't bad at all and should work, the main problem is that the ONLY thing that connect back to BDSP from LA is that you can get Arceus legally. Other than that, NOTHING is affected. You can't send Hisui mons to BDSP, which would have been great, and there isn't anything special you get when moving Pokemon back and forth between games. BDSP was made as a one-to-one remake because they needed it to be as basic as possible to not take away playability from Legends Arceus, but that itself was a bad idea as Legends Arceus really doesn't have post-game. Had BDSP included the Battle Frontier it would have been perfect cause you could use your Pokemon from the past caught in Hisui and then used in competitive modes on BDSP. I feel overall while Legends Arceus is probably one of the best mainline entries, BDSP is barely better than Lets Go Pikachu/Eevee and at the bottom of the barrel for remakes.
People find this bad, because they played the original version. Most did not play the orginial gold and silver, because the most People who plays pokemon nowadays is too young for the original red/blue/gold/silver. BDSP is not the best game, but still a good remake.
If BDSP is what Game Freak call remakes, then I don't think I want Unova Remakes...
pokemon bdsm
i'm pretty sure im the only one whos made that connection
i honestly hope unova doesn't do chibi aproach since i feel like they could EASILY make a unova remake with a unique feel and style; instead of being disgustingly faithful without actually remaking anything really hone in on the funky style that black and white had. introduce new characters maybe?
I didn’t mind BDSP because I never played the originals. So I didn’t have anything to compare it too.
Love how you just casually know Celebi.
Get rid of the exp share, add the battle frontier, remove the bs friendship thing, add back the HMs, make it on the same engine as Sword/shield without the chibi bs, add a massive amount of customisation, make Hearthome or Veilstone City shopping malls for clothes. Make the safari open world, maybe some other parts too like the top-left island, add in a Platinum-esque postgame story, expand on the distortion world (maybe a realm for Dialga/Palkia too?), and maybe give Arceus a storyline.
Instead we got this. A game where the only changes they made were terrible (the underground is a mixed bag), a heap of stuff cut out, and the source code literally copy/pasted over and charged full price for. I would rather have had no DP remakes than the abortion that we got.
The biggest tomfoolery is naming them BD/SP and not just DP Switch Port.
The fact that it is false advertising of a loved game and the company knows that people will buy it regardless is outright heresy for the true Pokémon fans out there who genuinely wants the franchise to grow genuinely.
Another improvement from Platinum that they could have added was the dual buttons on the Poketch but they didn't. Why??
Working for legendarys is a good thing. But not through trading. As a kid i was never knew how to do amy of that stuff and was never able to do it. Even now when i emulate these games i have to edit the game so i can do things like evolving certain pokemon without trading them.
People need to stop using fan projects as better or worse than official releases. They never factor in business related decisions. Budget and scheduling are two immediate ones that come to mind. Fan projects can take all the time they need and return regularly to improve or even take time off if they can't work on it
They did not take from platinum and put it into these games. I was very disappointed that the battle island did not have districts like what platinum had.
Interesting topic, even with FRLG as remakes of the original RGB/Y, they were able to add all the Pokémon(in the Kanto-Honnen Dex at the time) in the game and made them available to the player(s) buy getting multiple games.
Exactly I’m just really confused as to why gamefreak or ILCA in this case made the decision to not include a proper Pokédex
They even added some areas in the form of the Sevii islands. Still isn't a whole other region levels of content, but hey it was post game new areas to explore, even main games seem to struggle with that area of content let alone remakes.
I really hate how BDSP only gave us HALF a National Pokédex. That meant a lot of Gen 5-7 Pokémon ended up never in the Generation 8 games.
Even if FRLG didn’t add too much, they are the best way to play Kanto, HGSS is the same but adds tons of new content, ORAS I’d say isn’t the same but they’re still amazing great games that still do justice to RSE, BDSP do the exact opposite of all of the older remakes and the sad thing is Sinnoh is my favorite region
@@lillrice27yeah it’s really telling that Platinum, a 12 year old game, is still the premier Sinnoh experience.
For me, the true remake is Legends: Arceus. A Legends: Kyurem is all that I need for Gen 5.
That would be awesome. I would love to explore a past version of the unova region and hear the older version of Driftveil City.
I agree we need to see the original legendary dragon
@@joshuamtzchz2596 yess give it a 800 base stats 😂 plus I do hope we get new forms for the dragons two like maybe they looked different back then and when they turned into the orbs they changed to the designs we see today
unove region's legends would be the wild wild west of USA. Imagine
@@FudgeeBarr29 as someone who used to live in west Texas there would not be much pokemon diversity
As a Leafeon lover who always has a Leafeon on my team whenever I play platinum, you cannot imagine my disappointment when they decided to revert back to the “yeah you’ll get an eevee AFTER you beat the game” in BDSP :(
@@notworpp it has for a while now...
Jolteon is my favorite and I always try to make one my ace as soon as possible
I started my journey in BD with a full team of 5+ IV mons haha. You can transfer anything so long as it's in the dex into the game. Only problem is, you can't really fully utilize the transfered pokemon until you have about 4 badges due to the gym/level system of this gen.
I had Jolteon this time around because I basically had a mono electric team, the guys available are some of my favourites of all so it just made sense. It does suck that the eons are reserved for post-game, and even if we have HOME now, at the time you couldn't even access certain features due to it not being available, and that was a huge blow to their reception I feel like, because upon release is when it's most relevant.
Me with Glaceon
The fact they managed to remake the Shaymin glitch and didn’t account for the fact that the main character could now travel in 8 directions rather than 4 in Snowpoint gym, allowing you to just bypass the puzzle by pointing the joystick up and slightly to the left/right is amazing
Explain
@@aRookieGod the base game logic was literally ported from original source and reskinned using Unity as a rendering tool rather than a standalone engine. As such, many of the glitches that plagued the originals were now magnified because you also got free diagonal movement in a design centered around horizontal and vertical tile based movement.
There was no way to avoid the movement problem without keeping the character movement tile based, which was easy enough to do, but they also completely overlooked many of the bounding glitches that existed before regardless.
@@N00bB1scu1tGaming thats just so fucking lazy
They could have done what hgss did and change some of the puzzles to account for the hardware/graphics change
@@tylerprince6371or they could’ve done literally anything to make the game somehow not worse than the original
I feel like Firered and Leafgreen are underestimated as remakes so hard. They were fantastic as remakes.
The entire Sevii islands were such a fun postgame experience, that I really missed in Let's Go.
I really thought LG was the worst when it came out, because it added so little new stuff. But now that BDSP are a thing even LG seems fantastic, since they did add SOME new stuff. The art direction and style was great. The pokemon were to scale and had some texture to them. The best looking pokemon games on the Switch imo.
Lackluster on new content, but way better than BDSP.
Still, FRLG will stay my go-to for the optimal and most complete Kanto experience.
I prefer red and blue with the pea soup colors of the original gameboy. It really felt like you were going on an epic journey
Yes FireRed and LeafGreen are criminally underrated,
Let's go is incredible
@@tpfoxCastro yeah, ngl I was in the camp that wanted Let's Go Johto. Still do; but they could better use their time and resources to actually polish the new games instead >.
FR/LG did a lot of things right by just keeping it simple(at least I think they kept it pretty simple), they let you experience the original game while adding in minor QOL changes and corrected a lot of the confusing things in the original R/B/Y. Adding in the Sevii Islands also helped link the R/B/Y story to the G/S/C one as well which is one of the biggest underrated things in the game. I feel like it's just not talked about enough because like 80% of the community didn't start playing until D/P/P and talking about anything related to gen 1 will get you the "genwunner" label and unnecessary attacks. Notice how there's some already in this comment section. Lmao
I was really disappointed with BDSP because the climax is kind of bland. The red chain breaks and then team galactic are just like “oh well, I guess that’s it” and leave. There was also no cutscene where the sky goes all crazy like in the originals
That’s when you can tell it’s a lady cashgrab remake
@@aceclover758 It took you until Spear Pillar to realise that?
@@MMR_LM I meant it as a great example for the cash grab
i deeply regret getting this game for christmas
@@ARCHIVED9610 I feel bad for u bruh, try selling it? If u got as an example pokemon sw/sh instead itd be really fun
Something I would like to see is a "Complete Kyurem." Since it's stated that when Reshiram and Zekrom split from the original dragon, Kyurem was what was left, I'd like to see what Kyurem supposedly originally looked like and could do
Are you suggesting Pokemon Legends: Kyurem?
I always said don’t remake gen 5 just make a sequel or prequel if you prefer. Gen 5 still works fine and has A LOT of mechanics compared to other games, so remaking it I feel might hurt it more than help. But a sequel or prequel would work because we already have a sequel to the first game so why not make some sort of trilogy?
@@austinhuber8440honestly the best way they could remake unova, is just by not touching anything and porting them to the switch virtual console style…
@@austinhuber8440 So long as we let Team Plasma rest Trilogy is fine, I feel like with how much it added it might be a better direction to remake BW2 instead. That or make a "3rd version" of Unova that uses the Unova of BW2 with the main plot of BW, having the Frigate be around but more of a planB (postgame you go meet Drayden with your dragon then LAZOR). At the start you would choose are from a city or countryside setting which character plots you follow (add a girl for Aspertia and new Gym Leader). Even better would be having the gyms scale and making them open, only needing 8 for plot but allowing you to get all 10 (11 if the Normal gyms have different badges or we pivot Lenora to Rock).
What I always wished for a remake, was that they actually change and upgrade the content. Like dont give the trainers the same pokemonn they had in the og games. We now have a vast amount of pokemon from each type. So why give the trainers all the same team ???
And tbh I actually prefered ORAS over HGSS. As they didnt address Johtos biggest flaws in the leveling curve in the mid and late game.
Yes! That’s exactly the same issue I had with HGSS, they did absolutely nothing to address the glaring issues Gen 2 was already facing
There was more problems with HGSS than just the level curve. Pokemon variety and distribution is so bad, it rivals vanilla DP.
The argument that "it's not a Platinum remake" falls flat when HGSS had Crystal content and ORAS had hints of Emerald content in the Delta chapter.
Yeah, that and the fact that they barely added anything to the games, even outside of the lack of plat content
There are multiple games (not just Pkmn) where I've asked myself the question of "why can passionate unofficial Developers/Modders make these things that people want, and the company can't?". What I came up with is that 3rd word: *Passionate*. The unofficial people create these things in their own time out of a passion for what they (and others) want/enjoy, whereas, even if the company knew what we wanted...there's a handful of employees who (whether passionate about the games or not), would ask for thousands of dollars for every hour worked on these "Extra" features. It's likely not out of laziness that we don't get what we want, but them only going as far as they really "need" to. When it comes to remakes that were on handhelds like GBA or 3DS, i'm fairly certain it takes significantly less work compared to the newer games like BDSP, SWSH, and SCVI. They were typically working on weaker systems, with mostly pixel art and the occasional cutscene, if any. Stuff like that takes time and money for the developers, not so much for the passionate unofficial developer/modder who works on their own time and without a deadline in most cases.
True time, money, resources and the how developers choose to invest them played a huge role in the development of these games for sure.
I can definitely agree with this. I think GameFreak might even be burnt out with Pokemon at this point. We know that they've been trying to create other properties which have all ended in... perhaps not failure, but less than desirable games. I do think Arceus and SV were huge steps in the right direction as, despite SV's performance issues, it's one of my favorite Pokemon games but it could have been a lot better.
The answer is that passionate fans aren't required to make money with the game and don't have to deal with deadlines. Deadline are the current bottleneck for Pokemon games, because they need to be released yearly to keep up with the inertia of the entire franchise.
Honestly it’s crazy - Rom games like Unbound and Radical Red are infinitely better than anything GameFreak have put out in ages.
@@divinkitty9452 game freak's games and standards aren't good enough when you take away Pokemon
I think the chibi art style bothered me the most, since it was the first thing I saw. It just felt so off in relation to the current gen and so similar to the older gens that it left me feeling a little uncomfy and couldn't pay attention to anything else. It was so bad I had to drop the game.
Agreed, I think they focused too much on how the original games looked with the 2D sprites having larger heads, but they did that bc of detail restraints with the pixels. When we played those games, we always imagined the characters with better proportions, I don't think anyone would've preferred imagining the characters as chibis.
@@brondermody3409interesting take. I always saw them the opposite way so I personally found them keeping the chibi style in the overworld to be charming.
@@brondermody3409I’m with you on that. Everyone trying to justify the chibis by pointing out that they were "always like that" seem to miss that point. In 2D it’s due to the top down perspective it is not a literal representation of what’s happening, you don’t get to see what they really look like until you enter battle or a cutscene and jump down to a first person perspective.
In 3D this doesn’t work, especially when half the time you are staying in Chibi form for a zoomed in first person moment like the opening scene. It becomes the reality rather than a perspective, and makes them becoming well proportioned for battles seem like a dream.
And for me at least, it’s not just the giant funko pop heads. It’s the chunky feet as well (which definitely were not in the original). They just look like toys.
They don't even look like the old art style. The hands and legs are ginormous and they waddle.
I even prefer playing Firered and Leafgreen than this shit. The 3rd gen remake were the best possible for the gameboy. HGSS and ORAS are until today my favorite Pokemon games of all time surpassing anything after ORAS. I felt Sinnoh so much and waited years to get disappointed. It hurts 😭
FireRed and LeafGreen: Enhanced experience of the original Red and Blue. Used the same engine that Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald did. Added an entirely new sub-region in the Sevii Islands.
HeartGold and SoulSilver: Took everything great about Gold and Silver and cranked it up to 11. More than enough new features to keep you interested and playing for months on end or even longer. Used the same engine that Diamond, Pearl and Platinum did. Contained almost all of the additional content from Crystal.
OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire: IMO the best remakes we've gotten so far. All the best of Ruby and Sapphire and then some on top of that. Plenty of new features. Mega evolution. Soaring. DexNav. Took content from Emerald and made it even better, introducing one of the best characters we've ever seen in Pokémon, Zinnia. Used the same engine that X and Y did.
Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee: Techinally remakes of Yellow which I believe was a great idea. Switched up the story of RBY ever so slightly which makes the games feel new yet so familiar. Introduced Go catching mechanic to main series Pokémon which while controversial, was a hit for many players. These games don't do anything that really blow you away but they're solid remakes. Used (seemingly) the same engine Sword and Shield did, though Let's Go arguably looks a bit better than SwSh did.
Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl: These games do not enhance the experience of the original Diamond and Pearl. People will argue that they do but I just don't see it. Many of us believe that the original games look nicer and have more charm to them than these remakes do. They do not use the same engine as Sword and Shield, which is a first for Pokémon remakes to not use the engine that current gen games do. The games barely contain any Platinum content and none of it is what any of us wanted. Almost every single prior remake has included the majority of the 3rd game of that gen's features and content despite being named after the first games of the generation. The games are buggy, unpolished and were obviously released in a completely rushed state.
I don't know what more to say about BDSP other than I'm tired of hearing the same old defense for it. "It's a Diamond and Pearl remake not a Platinum remake!" has to be the most annoying one of all. Sometimes I feel like we overhyped the whole gen 4 remake thing but I much more feel like they just failed to deliver on something we had bigger dreams for.
DBSP definitely didn't live up to the hype. They honestly felt more like difficulty enhancement hacks of the original Diamond and Pearl with some quality of life improvements and graphical updates for the Switch over 'the original games'.
Well, they do live to Diamond/Pearl... Because those games were terrible. Almost everything good came with Platinum, including non-Braindead AI.
ORAS is not better than FR/LG or HG/SS, you're smoking fucking crack.
Short Answer: minimum of new conent. Look at heart gold/soul silver, black & white 2. This are decent Example of what pokemon should have. Also, they cut Content from platinium.
I feel like all the heart and soul that should've gone into BDSP went into Legends Arceus. Arceus really feels like the celebration of Gen 4 that I wanted from The Sinnoh remakes.
Honestly I blame the whole fanbase and the failure of Gen. 5 for what Gamefreak has become today.
Since the failure of Gen. 5 games, I assumed that this marked a voice for Gamefreak to _"Yeah let's not try something new anymore"_
If only y'all just actually gave Gen. 5 the love and recognition that it deserves since day 1 and not smash it down just because that you can't steamroll Ratatas anymore for the 19482395897th time maybe... *_just maybe_* Gamefreak will be encouraged to always try new risky stuffs and will definitely still be the same high-quality maker game studio that we know and loved.
But it was now a long time ago, all in the past. It was already done. I am worried about how they will screw up Gen. 5 remakes.
@@moisesezequielgutierrez Are we speaking of the same games here? Lol. Gen 5 is very loved, nor did it stop them from creating new stuff. Gen 6, megas & primal evolution, Gen 7 Z Moves and even islands instead of gyms (something new! wow), gen 8 gigamax, gen 9 crystallizing Pokémon. You're very wrong.
@@mainexploit You don't understand..
When Gen 5 was first released, it was gamefreaks attempt at trying something new and getting pokemon off to a fresh start.. They made 150+ new pokemon and removed the national dex until the post game, basically forcing you to get used to the newer pokemon
because of this a lot of people immediately didn't like gen 5 as nostalgia is a huge factor for a lot of Pokemon fans and it caused people to not even want to play it, they didn't even give it a chance and immediately assumed it was terrible.
As a result the game did not sell much at all, and overall was a failure at the time which was a shame because Gamefreak put more effort into gen 5 than they have done any game prior to the series
Gen 5 had the most new pokemon, new animated sprites in battle with an endearing artstyle, smooth and impressive use of the camera angles, arguably the best story in the series, some of the best music in the series, well written characters, and so much more the games had to offer
But did that matter? no because everyone assumed the worst of it, everyone hated it because it tried to be different.
It was then where Gamefreak realized that putting effort to make the games feel unique and fresh isn't worth it, and that as long as nostalgia is the main focus, they can just make another crappy remake, or have pikachu available in the region and it will sell like hotcakes, they're lazy now because when they did put effort into making something new, people hated them for it
Gen 5 was so good it destroyed the franchise
@@mainexploit key word: gen V *is* very loved. _now_. that was far from the case when they were new games lol
it was only after X&Y, aka too late, that people started to sing the praises of Gen V
@@SkyeBlueLily it still invalidates their point, they never stopped moving on with new stuff.
What I liked about Gen 4 and Gen 6/7 was that there was a lot of cross play between generations. You could be in Hoenn playing against someone in Kalos. The Switch era has kinda sucked in this regard. We technically have 4 regions and very little cross-play.