@@RagingBrachy Maxie and or Archie: look guys I know this is bad we pretty much almost wipe half the world population off the plant but it was for the ecosystem
He gets a fitting punishment. He has to live his allegedly immortal life living in the world he tried to destroy knowing he failed, defeated even with the Serpent of Distortion at its angriest on his side by a child, forced to wander a land that would never bother to remember him in the slightest.
Bonnie in the Anime can't even have pokemon of her own as she's too young, so Clement has to hold onto them for her, mans got destroyed by a child before she was even legally allowed to carry mons 🤣
@@rainbowangel5264Max befriends a mythical pokemon before he's old enough to actually be a trainer, meanwhile Bonnie kills a man. Kalos kids are just built different I guess.
@@yarc9 lavender town, about a small chunk of dex entries especially the ghost types and megas in sm/usum, about a 3rd of the episodes in the sun and moon anime, etc,etc
So, just a bit of an interesting thing, Pokemon X and Y actually are the only time a villain actually has a different fate in different versions. In Y, the Ultimate Weapon is powered by the energy of Yveltal, the Legendary Pokemon of Death, which means that when Lysander turns the weapon against himself it kills him. In X, Lysander's fate is actually _worse than death,_ as the weapon was powered by the energy of Xerneas, the Legendary Pokemon of Life - which means that X's Lysander is now immortal and buried alive under tons of rock.
@@groudonvert7286 I would assume that being buried in rubble while being hit by an ancient energy weapon powered by Pokemon's equivalent of Hades would be enough to kill someone. Lysander's fate in X is a bit less obvious, but we can extrapolate based on how AZ is immortal due to using the weapon.
Acctually that would be weird. The Ultimate Weapon uses the legendary's energy as a fuel or battery but not as what determines whether to kill everyone or to turn everyone in the base immortal and that's why the legendaries are interchangable there. In Pokémon Evolutions is where this plot is used. There, Calem catches Xerneas and fights Lysandre. Xerneas litterally one shot his Mega Gyaradas (what a great idea that was to put your ace in a disadvantage against a powerful angry deer god...), Lysandre freaks out and reveals that the weapon is aiming right back at the base and with Xerneas's power the beam will turn him, his team and the heroes (Calem, Serena and Shauna) immortal sothey can all share AZ's fate and suffer for eternity. I heard a version that says Lysandre is still alive buried under the rubble of his base but Xerneas's power keeps him alive. He might've been crushed, his bones may have broke, not even suffocaation can help as he cannot die no matter what, all that's left for this man is to just lie there for eternity.
If we ignore the part where they wanted to destroy the world's entire biosystem, Archie and Maxie's situationship is lowkey funny. Also, poor Cyrus is so much of an introvert, he actually love the distortion world more than the actual owner of the place does.
Ehh, giratina is shown to care a lot about the distortion world, in the jewel of life, palliative and dialga fight which causes massive destruction. Because the distortion world mirrors the real world, issues happen in there so giratina Leaves to go stop them.
Well....Giratina probably appreciates the company. Then again said Company is Cyrus so...i kinda doubt any engaging conversations came to be. poor Giratina
I mean, the Distortion World has plants, water, theoretically infinite areas. A human could survive there. He also has his Pokémon, so he has protection. He’ll be fine, he got his freedom from spirit.
If you played X instead of Y, Lysandre doesn't die but he gets eternal life and has to live as an immortal but crushed and buried under a collapsed cave.
I’m pretty sure the implication is that he was killed by the explosion of his machine, not by the legendary. And that part is the same in both X and Y.
@@drm726 the thing is its unknown the ultimate weapon is a big energy gun so it makes sense that what ever hit by it would be destroyed/dead but the power source backing it up was (if it's X) the literal god of life so even if the big gun blew up the energy that hit the impact sight should have effected Lysander giving him immortality
@Daniel Malinen No matter what version you play, he intended on using Xerneas or Yveltal's life energy to make the superweapon strong enough to obliterate the world. Giving the world eternal life is counter-productive to his goals.
@ Japan always gonna have earthquakes I don’t live in Japan so I m not gonna earthquakes or snow I live in the middle east only in the north west we get snow
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@@yarc9 What does the second half of your reply mean?
The closest to a villain role in SV is the professors. They mistreat Arven, cause dangerous pokemon to appear in their world through their reckless research.
Not just "closest thing" either--rhey were full on supervillains. And then there's the entire previous faculty at the school, since they made Star out to be bad guys when Star was just trying to fix the bullying issue that the faculty refused to address
@@patrickkh1245 They still planned to unleash "Paradise" which would have caused undue destruction by introducing so many new species, and they were well aware of this and dismissed it as an acceptable loss. They did love Arven and they did die in an act of compassion, but they were still villains.
@@joshuafrizzell7856Ash could still return not as the main character. I think it would be cool getting a prime adult Ash vs a prime Giovanni showdown in a future movie or series.
I think my fave of the bunch is Colress, but only bc I love the fact that they put so much work into a character like him, a scientist who is indifferent to the suffering of others, caring *only* for his research, there is no need for the ends to "justify" the means bc he feels no need to justify his actions in the first place, only for them to give him a head that looks like the internet explorer icon and rendering me entirely unable to take him even a little bit seriously LMAO
It is officially under the control of Gladion, who uses it in the Battle Royal against Ash, Kiawe, and Kukui, and while it does make a decent showing, it is the first to go down. Gladion should use a Poisonium or Rockium next time.
@@GamerFromJumpwait a minute! My Pokémon knowledge basically comes from yt videos so I might be wrong but wasn't the battle royale in SM where the Aether family befriended Nihilego in Journeys?
I feel like Cyrus is so intelligent he would vehemently deny he feels anything of the sort and says he aims for greater things. That feelings are too complex or messy to deal and comprehend, so they never get addressed. Or perhaps he is incapable of doing so. But his actions point to an abused child wanting control over everything in his life and fix it up like he could with the machines he tinkered with growing up. The "incomplete spirit" he goes on about while true might also reference the traumas of his childhood he still feels to this day. The hole they left behind never healed. He could not fix himself like the rest of his machines so he seeks control, perhaps thinking he could undo the empty feeling he can't seem to escape.
Honestly, when you lay it out, I'm more concerned for Cyrus than anything, like, the guy likes the distortion world and intentionally traps himself in Darkrai's nightmare, that's... I'm very concerned for his mental and will to live is all I'm saying.
His manga self is much different. Cyrus wasn’t exactly mega introverted but logical finding fascination in things like history and the intricacies of machines. If he didn’t become a supervillain he likely could have been a great historian or archaeologist. It was actually his fascination for the sinnoh origin story specific of the three concepts of willpower emotion and wisdom that lead to his ambition wanting to reshape the world because he believed the world lacked true completion even acknowledge his own lack of emotional expression. However his plan was from the start sabotaged by chiron his scientist who was never on Cyrus’s side and worked with him only to get in opening into the distortion world to get his hands on giratina. It was also due to his loss to Dia Pearl and Platina did Cyrus realized that unite between others helps people towards completion and after encountering Dia in the distortion world did Cyrus agree to help Dia stop Chiron. And after they saved the day Cyrus and his admins who loyally looked up to him leave as “changed” people Cyrus even getting acknowledged by shaymen.
@@lunerblade13 In DPA he has a similar change of heart, fueled by Hareta and Mitsumi's determination. He realizes that a flawed world is better than no world at all.
The truth is that Cyrus needed an anti-depressant. A strong one. I don't know how the health system works in sinnoh, but i guess nurse joy needs to try something to help this guy
@@sylviojacyrparolinmelzerpa7059 I wonder what his relationship with his grandfather is like. Grandpa seems to love him dearly, but at the same time he didn't intervene when he knew Cyrus needed it
@@BJGvideos that's probably what drove him over the edge. Normally that kind of villain would become some sort of megalomaniac but the fact that even the one who loved him most didn't bother saving him made him believe he and his feelings were worthless
In Paldea, the main villain was already gone, and you're fighting what remains of their will, kinda makes me think of who will be the antagonist of the DLC since as of now there are no clear bad guy in Paldea
@@BJGvideos Both of them don’t want to fight you, and help you remove the time machine, they only fight you because of their programming. They aren’t villains.
While Masters' canonicity can be debated, I like Masters bringing back the original Lysandre after he was presumed dead for about seven years, and developing on his friendship with Sycamore. I feel that was something interesting about both of them in XY was them being friends, but they never developed on it any. Also, you didn't mention this, but the total unhingedness of him getting to boil two people alive with Volcanion, like I'm still in awe that was greenlit. And then it's heavily implied he was going to do the same to a third. I always made serial killer jokes about him, but it seems they made it official.
@@Phoenix_Blader_93 In some cases, when there's added development and story lore, I often feel Masters is the writers getting their second chance to fix things or even tell the story they wanted to in their original games, but just _couldn't_ for time constraints or whatever other reason. Things like how they elaborated on Sycamore and Lysandre's friendship, having Cyrus start to change his ways due to his admins not wanting him to erase their loyalty to him and actually showing he does have things he cares about (I always felt they might have been teasing a potential redemption arc in Ultra going by his final interaction with the player, but then came the faithful remakes), them showing Lusamine having learned from her mistakes and trying to make amends with her family, etc., are canon to me.
This! I liked that too. I didn't liked how cheesy it was that he just appeared there out of the blue. I really do like Masters but it's definictly a separate timeline where things are weird. People pretty much don't age there except Red and his friends. Isn't it weird how for example Hilbert and Hilda or other protags who aren't separate characters unlike May and Brendan or Dawn and Lucas, are both in Pasio at the same time?
@@Kyumifun Ya know what they say, if ya don't see a body, you better watch your back. It's definitely in a weird timeline and there's definitely stuff that clashes. But I still stick to my guns that it's the writer's second chance, given the development we receive. Also, Hilda and Hilbert are in the games as non-playable too, you can team up with the one you didn't choose on the Subway. (I think you can't say the same for Gen7-Gen8 protags, but it seems like they chose Gloria as the canon protagonist for that game, since she partnered with Zacian.)
Lysandre returning would unironically be super dope (whether it's in another game or even the anime) since he actually does have grounds to return either way (given immortality in X via Xerneas' power or weird mega rock magic shenanigans preserving him against Zygarde). It would be interesting to see him pose as if he's reformed only to later reveal that he became even more unhinged as he unleashes a new plan that makes his old plan of worldwide selective genocide look like a joke in comparison.
I feel like there's not enough talk about how a version of Colress got into the RR headquarters, likely from the same universe that Ghetsis came from, and just punked the Plasma Big Bad. He really was USING Plasma all the way through.
Yep, Ghetsis wasn't a brilliant villain. He just had resources at his disposal to do whatever operstion he wanted to( he was rich basically) an easy target to manipulate for someone as smart as Colress
I hope they someday conclude the story of Giovanni and Team Rocket in the anime. They’re(so far) no longer the longtime marketable villains, so it’s possible.
A Team Rocket civil war would be perfect for giving the group the spotlight. The TRio as well as Cassidy and Boff representing the old guard who have been around since the beginning and Matori being the relatively new blood, a more ambitious faction which comes into conflict with with old guard. The Journeys anime did an episode where the TRio, while on holiday, helped while staying incognito to thwart Matori kidnapping Pokémon.
@@jbcatz5 "Boff..." "You're calling me BOFF?! It's Butch! It's not Biff, it's not Bob, it's DEFINITELY not Butch! GAH, now you're getting me confused! That does it, I am changing my name."
Volo has to be the one I'm most curious about what happened to. He said he was going to conquer Arceus "No matter how many centuries it takes" him. To me that implies he had at least something in mind for prolonging his life, potentially to an immortal scale. I'd love to see him cameo in a newer game where he's lived all the way to the present.
Well now that Legends Z-A is on the way maybe Volo makes an appearance in Kalos, probably not as big as in Legends Arceus but still an appearance none the less
N arguably isn't a villain, so you made the right choice to axe him from this list. He was just a pure-hearted man who was manipulated into doing evil acts. Easily manipulated due to how much kindness in his heart he has for Pokemon. If someone wants to argue that N is a villain, they might as well call the protagonist, Lan Hikari, from the Megaman Battle Network series one too, with how many times he's fooled in the series, sometimes into doing an evil act he doesn't intend to do.
Volo leaves declaring that he will achieve his goals, no matter how many centuries it takes him. There's already implications that Volo is of a previous time, so it's entirely possible that Volo has been quietly manipulating things.
That just sounds like saying you'll follow someone to hell and back, i don't assume giovanni has an entire world of pain for example just because he says "I'll introduce you to a world of pain"
Nah there's no way he's older than he appears. He could achieve immortality later on, given that he knows Cogita who's implied to be immortal herself. Or alternately he could just hide out in the Distortion World for a while
I'd argue that the Pokemon Professor is the main villain of the Scarlet/Violet games since it's their experiments that caused all the problems in Area Zero, problems that could spill out into the rest of Paldea at any time. They're not as outright malicious as the other villains but still as close as you can get.
The armor was used to slow the time experienced by the wearer, allowing Archie to stop his body from decaying. And the person who gave him the armor... That b*tch of a woman never got the comeuppance she deserved.
In Masters we found out that ORAS Archie and Maxie were friends in the past, even being part of the same green piece like organisation before splitting up and creating Team Aqua and Magma. At the end of their Masters Story they then want to work together again to preserve the beauty of nature. They could ally with Lysandre who has an equal goal. But that's just my wishful thinking as he has the Water/Fire type at his side.
... Lysandre's goal has nothing to do with what they want. If anything they should team up with Rose. ...once Masters bothers to add him they confirmed he was coming in September of 2021 what the heck why are they dragging their feet with him...
To summerize: Giovanni: Lives as a free man and wants to have revenge someday, maybe. Maxie and Archie: Gives up on being villains and become friends while in the manga they, uh, idk... Cyrus: In the games (DP/BDSP), he goes to Battle Tower. In Platinum, he gets stuck in Distorsion World. And in the anime, he creates a new world but gets stuck there forever. In Masters (which might not be canon), he tries to make a never-ending nightmare in the world but gives up on that idea and leaves. N: Goes on a journey to find his meaning in life. Colress: Goes around the world and innovate things while in the Anime he gets in prison. Ghetsis: The BW/B2W2, he becomes crazy and gives up on taking over the world, while other versions of him still tries to do it. In the anime, he gets in prison. Lysander: Probably died. Guzma: Becomes a student while in the Anime he disbands Team Skull after losing the Leauge. Lusamine: In SM, she gets transported to Kanto to Bill to save her life. In USUM, she stay as the president of Aether Paradise and in the Anime she gets her family united again. Rose: Goes to prison but in the Anime, he lives hidden as a free man. Volo: Disappears. Due to strong theories of him being a time traveller, he might have found a way to get to another era and found a way to meet Arceus there. Penny: Disband Team Star and becomes friends with the player. Professor Sada & Turo: Died a long time ago and their dream project got shut down.
We need a fully flushed out version of Sada and Turo because their story feels rushed and it makes me sad because as professors they seem really cool. Not to mention the tiny crush I have on Turo
Lysandre really met his end to an 8 year old commanding one of the most canonically powerful legendary pokemon huh... That's somehow even more disrespectful than you in the games catching the legendary the evil guy wanted and using it against them.
As someone who has made it far enough in the manga I can safely say I still don't know what happened to Archie and Maxie. In ORAS they're kind of like evil ghosts who can possess people but if I remember correctly they just kind of disappear at the end.
Thay are just souls yet somehow managed to get out of the distortion world to save the earth from the meteor after their work was done thay are called back to the distortion world.
Was this when everyone turned into rocks? I think they were energy beings and ran out of energy and now they're gone, removed from the cycle of reincarnation, even
I don’t consider Ghetsis gone as a threat in the games’ universe. Our word that he isn’t scheming comes from…the group whose sole purpose was to help him achieve his schemes. Yeah, NOT the most trustworthy source on his motives being neutral now. 😂
@@johnlynch1353 Ha ha, fair. Tbh if we were only talking the Shadow Triad in a vacuum I would be liable to believe it, but as evil as Ghetsis is…maybe they are actually being honest, but mannn there’s some breathing room for doubt there. 😆
Ghetsis is out of options. No Reshiram , Zekrom , or no Kyurem. No N to manipulate. No team plasma either. Black 2 and White 2 was the hit to the nail for Ghetsis.
Fun bonus: The lead scientist of team Flare (don't remember his name) continued doing shady things until being arrested by Looker in the post game of x and y
Tbf with Giovanni, I would have self-confidence issues if a bunch of 11yo lab monsters were running around the whole world casually fighting entire organizations and pokegods
Archie and Maxie are so strange in the manga sometimes. Like it was heavily implied that one murdered the other in order to survive the whole 'controlling a legendary against its will kills the trainer' thing.
@@ceecee6521 By "butchered", I meant they butchered his character. He's fully evil without a single redeeming factor (for example, he casually tells Grunts to throw frozen children into the sea) and throws childish tantrums when things don't go his way. Ghetsis, meanwhile, suffers a mental breakdown when all the Pokémon he abused glare at him with silent rage.
@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 They also ruin characters sometimes. Like Colress and Lillie, for example. Lillie is supposed to be the main character of the story, but as soon as Nebby evolves at the altar, it ditches her in favor of a character who hadn't interacted with it *once.* Not to mention that the manga only features *one* interaction between Lillie and Lusamine. *One.*
9:46 And in the same event, he and Malva obliterated two TR recruits who were infiltrators trying to cause internal troubles and feud within the ranks of Team Flare, so... Yeah, dont mess with Lysson in Masters' canon XD
Just gonna say, I love Lysandre a whole lot. I like the idea that he is killed in the collapse of the weapon in Y, but in X, he would theoretically become immortal from the effect of Xerneas' power. He's just stuck under the rubble in my mind, immortal but not bothering anyone. Until TPCi sees fit to release him from his self-made prison in revisiting Kalos.
I would like to point out a mistake in the video regarding Guzma’s anime fate. He was about to disband Team Skull after Ash beat him but they wanted to stick with him to learn to battle as awesome as he did. You can even see them in Pokémon Journeys, with all the Team Skull apparel still present. I guess they’re a lot nicer now
Where is the worse villain of pokemon? The most evil of them all. The one that has gave million of kids trust issues. The one that has a subreddit dedicated to people posting about how much they hate her? Where is Mindy?
Bonnie being the one to take down Lysandre in the anime, is both hilarious and kind of iconic. 😂😂😂 All Hail Queen Bonnie and her Knight, 100% Zygarde! 😂
Cyrus isn't evil, really. He's just the most apathetic person to ever exist. I also believe he doesn't die in the Distortion world because I don't think anything really exists in there. From the Manga with Maxie and Archie they go there after they die, and with Giratina being the god of Anti-matter (the thing that is everything that isn't a thing) I just think he's just in this limbo place where he gets to know peace.
You should make videos dedicated to the Adventures manga at some point. Also, I think it's heavily implied that Lysandre murders two Team Rocket Grunts with Volcanion in Masters EX.
Just because Giovanni had a change of heart in Pokémon Origins doesn’t mean he did in the games. They are separate universes (or maybe even entirely separate canons), to my knowledge.
Lysandre's demise in the game always baffled me when I played it. Mainly because of the reactions of the characters. I think I distinctly remember someone going. "Well that was intense. Welp, I'm gonna go fill up my Pokedex now. What are you gonna do, MC?"
Ghetsis ordering kyurem to impale the player with multiple sharp icicles at the end of bw2 is the most metal thing a villain has done, apart from lysandre activating a miniature version of a halo ring
We didn't see Giovanni after US/UM! He said he would return where is he then! As for Cyrus dude is probably having a Apocalypse Look with clothes tear downed basically living in the Distortion World preparing to go into war with Sinnoh.
Good to know that others realised that lysander's murder was on bonnie☠️ Although I didn't actually realise that zygarde didn't actually kill Lysander in adventures XY
Bonnie killed Lysander, I always loved the fact that Those two siblings resulted in the end of team flare with bonnie ordering Zyeguarde to execute Lysander and Clemont getting Xerosic arrested.
Why wasn't Alain the dude who Lysandre manipulated the one to kill Lysandre? It makes more sense than a toddler. Honestly the XY writers are the most stupid people who worked on pokemon.
@@sombramemer1230 they aren't stupid,you just don't understand what's actually going on in the series☠️ Alain's arc was to save chespy,the final blow was always supposed to be zygarde's
The villains of Paldea are all already long gone by the time to story actually begins. One set got fired/resigned after they failed to do what they were supposed to do, and the other set are posthumous. The story of ScVi is more about recognizing and dealing with the aftermath of everything that happened long before you got there.
My head canon was always that, after his psychological breakdown in B2W2, and subsequent defeat, Ghetis Suffered a stroke and would presumably remain bedridden for the rest of his life. Hense the Shadow Triad's lines regarding his fate.
I dunno, I think Origins Giovanni legit goes through a heel-face turn iirc his dialogue after fighting Red is based on the gen 1 incarnation, and not the revised, more ambiguous response from after he's defeated in FRLG, where he DOES show up in later games with an overall just as antagonistic goal of starting up team rocket again (though it might be just him changing his mind when he hears Team Rocket calling for him during the radio tower takeover) I could be wrong though
I think the reason for the discrepancy in Giovanni’s reformation and then sudden relapse to evil is that pokemon origins followed the plot of the original pokemon red and blu where Giovanni has a change of heart while the current mainline continuity uses fire red and leaf green’s where Giovanni declares that team rocket will make a comeback
When will fans realize that games and the spin off series, manga, generations, anime etc are completely independent productions. Sure they ran by pokemon company but they're made by different people who had their own interpretation of the characters and stories and not game freak, who are actually only responsible for the games
Guzma actually never disbanded team skull in the anime. He considered it, but Plumeria and the rest of the gang were all inspired by his last efforts in the tournament so they continue to exist afterwards. If I remember correctly, they even make an appearance in the audience when Ash returns to Alola and fights Gladian, Kiawe and Kukui
Volo is hinted at being either a time traveler or immortal, though I think it’s the latter of the two. He and Cogita are both descendants of the ancient Sinnoh people. The poems you find around the region are actually written by Cogita a LONG time ago. So I think Volo and Cogita are older than we think.
@@BJGvideos Volo did say he would conquer Arceus “No matter how many years, how many decades, how many centuries it takes me!” So he might be immortal, or maybe he won’t live as long as Cogita. 🤔 Regardless, I think it’s safe to say the dude ain’t normal. 😅
@@Boredom-ds5yg Yeah but maybe he knows how to achieve that, or maybe he figures he can hang out in the Distortion World for a while to study while time doesn't pass, or maybe he's continuing to be delusional.
Fun fact, in the Pokemon Diamond and Pearl Adventure manga, after getting beaten by Hareta, Cyrus ends up finding his way to Giratina's Dimension, and after seeing Charon use Team Galactic just to get money and riches and after the battle with Giratina, decides to give up Team Galactic and disband it. So in the manga, he not only turns over a new leaf but officially ends Team Galactic.
Cyrus never goes to the Distortion World in DPA. They fight Giratina together but it's in an open field in Sinnoh. Charon is the one who goes to the Distortion World because he's trying to capture Giratina, but gets his ass kicked. Then he gets drawn back out to Sinnoh, tries to go back to Stark Mountain for Heatan, and gets arrested, with the revelation that Cyrus has disbanded TG in the meantime (likely as a plea bargain to avoid punishment, or it seemed that way).
Yup. He is. He's seen being drunk at several points. And Team Magma doesn't even have a set base in the manga, so they just gather to talk wherever and whenever Maxie feels like it.
In the games a Team Flayer Grunt mentions a fire in the bunker and that people died, many people I’ve talked to assumed Lycanser burned to death in the room with the weapon
I’m planning on working on what happened to the different villains and teams in my fangame. The regional evil team is led by a former Team Flare admin from Johto who sought revenge against Team Rocket, Colress became the Professor in the region that the Nature Preserve is part of, Ghetsis shows up again to unseal the dark force that drives the madness of Team Plasma, Gladion has taken over as Vice President of the Aether Foundation, aiming to stop Pokemon from facing what he faced (USUM is the canon game in mine), Saturn is the leader of Team Galactic, which is now an actual energy company, and Team Aqua’s Matt is now a gym leader alongside his sister (an original character of mine) and uses a Crawdaunt as his ace
I would say "the entire point of his story is that he's not worthy of Arceus" but well...Zinnia with Rayquaza and Eusine with Suicune apparently don't care
@@BJGvideos To be fair, Zinnia at least is a dedicated and powerful Draconid, who is a decent second choice for Rayquaza to partner with. Suicune probably just partnered up with Eusine for a month or two so that he’d finally give up afterwards.
Fun Fact: Lysandre possibly dies in not just Pokémon Y and the anime, but in Pokémon Adventures as well. In comparison, I don't think any other major villain died in the manga. For all the talk about Adventures being dark and edgy, it is light in important deaths.
He was actualy stated to have survived the whole thing but he got on a Wheelchair Yeah the amount of Characters that die and stay dead in the Manga is actualy lower than the Anime
@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 Yeah even that beheaded Arbok people like to bang on about survived. It's a plot point that it can regenerate from just its head. And the Psyduck that got melted earlier in that same scene was already dead since they were in a graveyard, so it doesn't count. Giovanni still totally murdered those two Magmar for no reason though
My thoughts: Giovanni: The most determined and the true OG of all the pokevillains. Arch and Max: Blinded by ideals but Gets slapped by reality and turned a new leaf Cyrus: He gets what he want but a total jerk in the end. Ghestis: A dark idealist manipulator but very lame without his power. Lysandre: Total Elitist who cares only to rule the world, but he gets vaporized by a robo-plasmatic pokemon known as Zygarde. Guzma: Tough gangster but a very pathetic coward when confronted. Rose: Just straight up ambitious but also humble and easy to turn himself in.
A small thing I want to add for Lusamine. In the Masters game, that seem to follow Ultra Moon, Lusamine is shown to actively trying to rebuild her relationship as a mother to Lillie and Gladion though both an event when they were all first added, and a few others where Lusamine is show being protective of them. Even Guzma acknowledged she is actively trying to be a mother now. ((I have a whole thing of personally trying to piece together which game version is “canon” to Masters. Like Masters implies that it’s timeline is Platinum with Cynthia mentioning that last she saw Cyrus he was in the distortion world, but then Cyrus himself is actively plucked from Pearl right before his victory/defeat due to Hoopa (hence him having Palkia). Or Lysandre talking about having tried to use Yveltal for the weapon, implying the timeline used Y))
Who is your favorite Pokemon villain??
Giovanni the og boss
Your brother's bollocks
For me it's either Lysandre for the nostalgia (with X being my first game) or Getsis because he's the first Pokémon villain to genuinely terrify me
Ghetsis the GOAT. He literally tried to kill you
Ghetsis
I love how Archie and Maxie just become chill after almost dooming the entire world
Crazy cause they never get arrested
@@darianricks2050 as long as it was just a prank
@@RagingBrachy Maxie and or Archie: look guys I know this is bad we pretty much almost wipe half the world population off the plant but it was for the ecosystem
Maxie did nothing wrong
Maxie did nothing wrong. There is too much water in hoenn.
I really do love how Volo said “it’s just a prank” and got away with trying to dethrone God
Arecus: kids these days
Maxie, Archie, and Volo after almost dooming the world: it was just a prank 😅
No
@@Andrew-ch3xj chicken sandwich
He gets a fitting punishment. He has to live his allegedly immortal life living in the world he tried to destroy knowing he failed, defeated even with the Serpent of Distortion at its angriest on his side by a child, forced to wander a land that would never bother to remember him in the slightest.
Imagine getting defeated by a kid who got their starter Pokémon a week ago
Or if you’re a speed runner, a kid who got their starter 1 to 3 hours ago
Or if you're a glitcher, a kid who never got a pokemon and just warped to the hall of fame, you never fought him but in-game flags tell you you lost
Lol Youth is a powerful thing.
@@tabbender1232 Ah, so arbitrary code execution is King Crimson
@@EphemeralPseudonym Pretty much lmao
I'm fairly sure that Ghetsis was also the only villan to actually straight up attack the player with intent to kill in Pokemon B2/B2
Red Eyes in Ranger 3 as well
You're right. He ordered Kyurem to flash-freeze the player, which would've killed them through hypothermia if he or she didn't die instantly.
Why do ppl forget in BW1 he tried to “shut” the player up after revealing his true intentions.
@@a.x.x8184because it didn't have a dramatic spectacle like Kyurem trying to freeze you.
manga giovanni in a battle with red stried to attack him directly and almost caused him to fall on a chasm
Of the many ways a villain can go out, getting nuked to death at the command of a toddler has got to be one of the most disrespectful.
Bonnie in the Anime can't even have pokemon of her own as she's too young, so Clement has to hold onto them for her, mans got destroyed by a child before she was even legally allowed to carry mons 🤣
And then they made a 4 or 5 yo child an Elite Four member in Gen 9 who can't even speak properly @@rainbowangel5264
Yeah, at least the other villains got beat by legal trainers….and the nightmare known as Cynthia
@@rainbowangel5264Max befriends a mythical pokemon before he's old enough to actually be a trainer, meanwhile Bonnie kills a man. Kalos kids are just built different I guess.
@@lacytaylor1501 that's what being french does for ya
Cyrus died after 3 weeks in the distortion world due to a lack of food
He can eat the trees.
I'd say he died after a week. No water to drink
@@ghosthand5552 the waterfall
people are saying Pokémon is afraid tackle topics like death they tackle death all the time
@@yarc9 lavender town, about a small chunk of dex entries especially the ghost types and megas in sm/usum, about a 3rd of the episodes in the sun and moon anime, etc,etc
So, just a bit of an interesting thing, Pokemon X and Y actually are the only time a villain actually has a different fate in different versions. In Y, the Ultimate Weapon is powered by the energy of Yveltal, the Legendary Pokemon of Death, which means that when Lysander turns the weapon against himself it kills him. In X, Lysander's fate is actually _worse than death,_ as the weapon was powered by the energy of Xerneas, the Legendary Pokemon of Life - which means that X's Lysander is now immortal and buried alive under tons of rock.
In both version his fate is unknown. We can only speculate about the fact he dies the Hitler way : suicide in his bunker.
@@groudonvert7286
I would assume that being buried in rubble while being hit by an ancient energy weapon powered by Pokemon's equivalent of Hades would be enough to kill someone. Lysander's fate in X is a bit less obvious, but we can extrapolate based on how AZ is immortal due to using the weapon.
@@VestedUTuber I wonder how long it takes to wear off
Acctually that would be weird.
The Ultimate Weapon uses the legendary's energy as a fuel or battery but not as what determines whether to kill everyone or to turn everyone in the base immortal and that's why the legendaries are interchangable there.
In Pokémon Evolutions is where this plot is used.
There, Calem catches Xerneas and fights Lysandre. Xerneas litterally one shot his Mega Gyaradas (what a great idea that was to put your ace in a disadvantage against a powerful angry deer god...), Lysandre freaks out and reveals that the weapon is aiming right back at the base and with Xerneas's power the beam will turn him, his team and the heroes (Calem, Serena and Shauna) immortal sothey can all share AZ's fate and suffer for eternity.
I heard a version that says Lysandre is still alive buried under the rubble of his base but Xerneas's power keeps him alive. He might've been crushed, his bones may have broke, not even suffocaation can help as he cannot die no matter what, all that's left for this man is to just lie there for eternity.
@@EphemeralPseudonym
That's the thing. It doesn't.
If we ignore the part where they wanted to destroy the world's entire biosystem, Archie and Maxie's situationship is lowkey funny. Also, poor Cyrus is so much of an introvert, he actually love the distortion world more than the actual owner of the place does.
Ehh, giratina is shown to care a lot about the distortion world, in the jewel of life, palliative and dialga fight which causes massive destruction. Because the distortion world mirrors the real world, issues happen in there so giratina Leaves to go stop them.
@@dragonwrath582 from PLA we can learn that Giratina slowly started to change and like the distortion world
Well....Giratina probably appreciates the company. Then again said Company is Cyrus so...i kinda doubt any engaging conversations came to be. poor Giratina
I mean, the Distortion World has plants, water, theoretically infinite areas. A human could survive there. He also has his Pokémon, so he has protection. He’ll be fine, he got his freedom from spirit.
If you played X instead of Y, Lysandre doesn't die but he gets eternal life and has to live as an immortal but crushed and buried under a collapsed cave.
I’m pretty sure the implication is that he was killed by the explosion of his machine, not by the legendary. And that part is the same in both X and Y.
@@drm726 Yes, but before firing the weapon he states that he's going to grant everyone eternal Life in X/Kill everyone in Y
@bruh moment
This is a certified Kars...los moment
@@drm726 the thing is its unknown the ultimate weapon is a big energy gun so it makes sense that what ever hit by it would be destroyed/dead but the power source backing it up was (if it's X) the literal god of life so even if the big gun blew up the energy that hit the impact sight should have effected Lysander giving him immortality
@Daniel Malinen No matter what version you play, he intended on using Xerneas or Yveltal's life energy to make the superweapon strong enough to obliterate the world. Giving the world eternal life is counter-productive to his goals.
Yeah, team plasma was disappointingly quite nerfed in the anime. I know a lot of that had to do with factors outside the anime’s control, but still.
I wonder how things would have played out if that earthquake never happened.
Yeah. An earthquake, Tsunami and the worst nuclear disaster since Chernobyl will do that to a show.
@ Japan always gonna have earthquakes I don’t live in Japan so I m not gonna earthquakes or snow I live in the middle east only in the north west we get snow
@@yarc9 What does the second half of your reply mean?
@ I live in the middle east
The closest to a villain role in SV is the professors. They mistreat Arven, cause dangerous pokemon to appear in their world through their reckless research.
Not just "closest thing" either--rhey were full on supervillains. And then there's the entire previous faculty at the school, since they made Star out to be bad guys when Star was just trying to fix the bullying issue that the faculty refused to address
@@BJGvideos and even now the current league staff (namely Geeta) being sus to the gym leaders, and Clavel being really suspicious as well
@@madarablackgetsugarift8633 Clavel impregnated the players mom when the player gets their bag and hat at the beginning of the game 0:01
They were not villains. They risked their life to save Koraidon/miraidon and died because of that. They loved their kid
@@patrickkh1245 They still planned to unleash "Paradise" which would have caused undue destruction by introducing so many new species, and they were well aware of this and dismissed it as an acceptable loss.
They did love Arven and they did die in an act of compassion, but they were still villains.
I still find it funny how Giovanni went from mob boss to Kang the Conqueror in the spam of 20 years
Well he is the most intelligent and resourceful villain in the series.
To top it off with Ash's story complete, we'll never get a final showdown between him & Giovanni. Sucks, but I blame the writing.
reminds me of rugal’s escalation in KOF lol. mob boss that can throw hands to demigod in a couple games
@@joshuafrizzell7856Ash could still return not as the main character. I think it would be cool getting a prime adult Ash vs a prime Giovanni showdown in a future movie or series.
@@byronwolf8692 I hope.
I think my fave of the bunch is Colress, but only bc I love the fact that they put so much work into a character like him, a scientist who is indifferent to the suffering of others, caring *only* for his research, there is no need for the ends to "justify" the means bc he feels no need to justify his actions in the first place, only for them to give him a head that looks like the internet explorer icon and rendering me entirely unable to take him even a little bit seriously LMAO
I feel like the SV villains were similar in that regard, from what we hear of how they approached their plans.
@@BJGvideos who?
@@Moon-Vixen how far are you in the game?
@@BJGvideos fully completed
@@Moon-Vixen Yeah, the professors. They had known that "Paradise" would be catastrophic to the Paldean ecosystem and pursued it anyway.
11:00 Lillie the Nihelego also got adopted, making Lusamine’s original goal of befriending nihelego completed in a much more non-damaging way.
It is officially under the control of Gladion, who uses it in the Battle Royal against Ash, Kiawe, and Kukui, and while it does make a decent showing, it is the first to go down. Gladion should use a Poisonium or Rockium next time.
@@GamerFromJumpwait a minute! My Pokémon knowledge basically comes from yt videos so I might be wrong but wasn't the battle royale in SM where the Aether family befriended Nihilego in Journeys?
@@CaptainvonDorethey befriended nihilegho in the crown tundra
I always feel like the entire villain plot of Platinum could be avoided if Mars or someone just got Cyrus a lexapro or something
Mars is too blindly devoted to him but maybe Jupiter.
bro has severe depression but everyone around him won't let him die... just like me fr
@@EphemeralPseudonym you won't find help in a comment section but if that is how you really feel try reaching out to people in your RL
@@EphemeralPseudonym people care about you bro
I feel like Cyrus is so intelligent he would vehemently deny he feels anything of the sort and says he aims for greater things. That feelings are too complex or messy to deal and comprehend, so they never get addressed. Or perhaps he is incapable of doing so. But his actions point to an abused child wanting control over everything in his life and fix it up like he could with the machines he tinkered with growing up. The "incomplete spirit" he goes on about while true might also reference the traumas of his childhood he still feels to this day. The hole they left behind never healed. He could not fix himself like the rest of his machines so he seeks control, perhaps thinking he could undo the empty feeling he can't seem to escape.
Honestly, when you lay it out, I'm more concerned for Cyrus than anything, like, the guy likes the distortion world and intentionally traps himself in Darkrai's nightmare, that's...
I'm very concerned for his mental and will to live is all I'm saying.
I could change him
His manga self is much different. Cyrus wasn’t exactly mega introverted but logical finding fascination in things like history and the intricacies of machines. If he didn’t become a supervillain he likely could have been a great historian or archaeologist.
It was actually his fascination for the sinnoh origin story specific of the three concepts of willpower emotion and wisdom that lead to his ambition wanting to reshape the world because he believed the world lacked true completion even acknowledge his own lack of emotional expression.
However his plan was from the start sabotaged by chiron his scientist who was never on Cyrus’s side and worked with him only to get in opening into the distortion world to get his hands on giratina.
It was also due to his loss to Dia Pearl and Platina did Cyrus realized that unite between others helps people towards completion and after encountering Dia in the distortion world did Cyrus agree to help Dia stop Chiron. And after they saved the day Cyrus and his admins who loyally looked up to him leave as “changed” people Cyrus even getting acknowledged by shaymen.
@@lunerblade13 In DPA he has a similar change of heart, fueled by Hareta and Mitsumi's determination. He realizes that a flawed world is better than no world at all.
Cyrus's entire motivation is because he's afraid of his own emotions and assumes everyone else is as desperately unhappy as he is so yeah
@@BJGvideos no wonder I like him so much
Gotta love how *Bonnie* technically killed Lysandre. Truly amazing.
Yet another instance of literally everyone in the XYZ anime having that dawg in them
The truth is that Cyrus needed an anti-depressant. A strong one. I don't know how the health system works in sinnoh, but i guess nurse joy needs to try something to help this guy
He also needed early life intervention and child protective services
@@BJGvideos oh yes please
@@sylviojacyrparolinmelzerpa7059 I wonder what his relationship with his grandfather is like. Grandpa seems to love him dearly, but at the same time he didn't intervene when he knew Cyrus needed it
@@BJGvideos that's probably what drove him over the edge. Normally that kind of villain would become some sort of megalomaniac but the fact that even the one who loved him most didn't bother saving him made him believe he and his feelings were worthless
Pokémon centers are just veterinary offices. Human hospitals are still a thing in Pokémon and they’re separate. Nurse Joy is just a veterinarian.
In Paldea, the main villain was already gone, and you're fighting what remains of their will, kinda makes me think of who will be the antagonist of the DLC since as of now there are no clear bad guy in Paldea
Nah those two were pretty clearly the villains.
@@BJGvideos Not necessarily.
My money is on geeta and/or raifort being the true antagonist in the dlc
@@olivernguyen50 Why are people insisting on Geeta being evil? She's not.
@@BJGvideos Both of them don’t want to fight you, and help you remove the time machine, they only fight you because of their programming. They aren’t villains.
While Masters' canonicity can be debated, I like Masters bringing back the original Lysandre after he was presumed dead for about seven years, and developing on his friendship with Sycamore. I feel that was something interesting about both of them in XY was them being friends, but they never developed on it any.
Also, you didn't mention this, but the total unhingedness of him getting to boil two people alive with Volcanion, like I'm still in awe that was greenlit. And then it's heavily implied he was going to do the same to a third. I always made serial killer jokes about him, but it seems they made it official.
the games arent canon since charaters are the same age as their original counterpart
@@Phoenix_Blader_93 In some cases, when there's added development and story lore, I often feel Masters is the writers getting their second chance to fix things or even tell the story they wanted to in their original games, but just _couldn't_ for time constraints or whatever other reason.
Things like how they elaborated on Sycamore and Lysandre's friendship, having Cyrus start to change his ways due to his admins not wanting him to erase their loyalty to him and actually showing he does have things he cares about (I always felt they might have been teasing a potential redemption arc in Ultra going by his final interaction with the player, but then came the faithful remakes), them showing Lusamine having learned from her mistakes and trying to make amends with her family, etc., are canon to me.
This! I liked that too. I didn't liked how cheesy it was that he just appeared there out of the blue.
I really do like Masters but it's definictly a separate timeline where things are weird.
People pretty much don't age there except Red and his friends.
Isn't it weird how for example Hilbert and Hilda or other protags who aren't separate characters unlike May and Brendan or Dawn and Lucas, are both in Pasio at the same time?
@@Kyumifun Ya know what they say, if ya don't see a body, you better watch your back.
It's definitely in a weird timeline and there's definitely stuff that clashes. But I still stick to my guns that it's the writer's second chance, given the development we receive. Also, Hilda and Hilbert are in the games as non-playable too, you can team up with the one you didn't choose on the Subway. (I think you can't say the same for Gen7-Gen8 protags, but it seems like they chose Gloria as the canon protagonist for that game, since she partnered with Zacian.)
Lysandre returning would unironically be super dope (whether it's in another game or even the anime) since he actually does have grounds to return either way (given immortality in X via Xerneas' power or weird mega rock magic shenanigans preserving him against Zygarde). It would be interesting to see him pose as if he's reformed only to later reveal that he became even more unhinged as he unleashes a new plan that makes his old plan of worldwide selective genocide look like a joke in comparison.
I feel like there's not enough talk about how a version of Colress got into the RR headquarters, likely from the same universe that Ghetsis came from, and just punked the Plasma Big Bad. He really was USING Plasma all the way through.
Yep, Ghetsis wasn't a brilliant villain. He just had resources at his disposal to do whatever operstion he wanted to( he was rich basically) an easy target to manipulate for someone as smart as Colress
@@Yokai_Yuri Ghetsis wasn’t the smartest, but his utter lack of morals and extreme ambition is something to be very feared.
I hope they someday conclude the story of Giovanni and Team Rocket in the anime. They’re(so far) no longer the longtime marketable villains, so it’s possible.
A Team Rocket civil war would be perfect for giving the group the spotlight. The TRio as well as Cassidy and Boff representing the old guard who have been around since the beginning and Matori being the relatively new blood, a more ambitious faction which comes into conflict with with old guard. The Journeys anime did an episode where the TRio, while on holiday, helped while staying incognito to thwart Matori kidnapping Pokémon.
Team Rocket will probably still be a thing as long as they keep going back to the Kanto well.
@@jbcatz5it would be nice to introduce the rocket admins from gen 2
@@jbcatz5 "Boff..."
"You're calling me BOFF?! It's Butch! It's not Biff, it's not Bob, it's DEFINITELY not Butch! GAH, now you're getting me confused! That does it, I am changing my name."
@@tapgames3465 YESSS I love them so much I’d love to see that
Volo has to be the one I'm most curious about what happened to. He said he was going to conquer Arceus "No matter how many centuries it takes" him. To me that implies he had at least something in mind for prolonging his life, potentially to an immortal scale. I'd love to see him cameo in a newer game where he's lived all the way to the present.
Well, his mentor Cogita seems to be immortal. Maybe he knows how she did it.
Plot twist: Cynthia isn't is descendant. He is her, playing the role of a champion to get Arceus
@@A-whoopsie-daisy So he just...became champion as part of a wide net?
Well now that Legends Z-A is on the way maybe Volo makes an appearance in Kalos, probably not as big as in Legends Arceus but still an appearance none the less
@@A-whoopsie-daisy that would be him trans, but GOOD JOB IG
N arguably isn't a villain, so you made the right choice to axe him from this list. He was just a pure-hearted man who was manipulated into doing evil acts. Easily manipulated due to how much kindness in his heart he has for Pokemon. If someone wants to argue that N is a villain, they might as well call the protagonist, Lan Hikari, from the Megaman Battle Network series one too, with how many times he's fooled in the series, sometimes into doing an evil act he doesn't intend to do.
Agreed. I consider N to be your main rival rather than a villain.
Volo leaves declaring that he will achieve his goals, no matter how many centuries it takes him.
There's already implications that Volo is of a previous time, so it's entirely possible that Volo has been quietly manipulating things.
groomer
That just sounds like saying you'll follow someone to hell and back, i don't assume giovanni has an entire world of pain for example just because he says "I'll introduce you to a world of pain"
Nah there's no way he's older than he appears. He could achieve immortality later on, given that he knows Cogita who's implied to be immortal herself. Or alternately he could just hide out in the Distortion World for a while
@@creature6715That sounds like something Rainbow Giovanni would do tbh
@@BJGvideos this is now canon in my eyes
I'd argue that the Pokemon Professor is the main villain of the Scarlet/Violet games since it's their experiments that caused all the problems in Area Zero, problems that could spill out into the rest of Paldea at any time. They're not as outright malicious as the other villains but still as close as you can get.
They were perfectly ok with wide-scale destruction as well, dismissing it as a part of life.
also, in the Emerald arc of the manga it’s flat out stated, not implied, that Maxie killed Archie so he could use the Guile Hideout armor
Isn't that the other way around?
Technically not directly as all he did was win the battle, the loser wouldnt get the armor and therefore die
The armor was used to slow the time experienced by the wearer, allowing Archie to stop his body from decaying.
And the person who gave him the armor... That b*tch of a woman never got the comeuppance she deserved.
@@sCooper97 I’m pretty sure Archie killed Maxie cause of the giant Kyogre they summon afterwards
@@carrotkid1 that's exactly what i meant
In Masters we found out that ORAS Archie and Maxie were friends in the past, even being part of the same green piece like organisation before splitting up and creating Team Aqua and Magma.
At the end of their Masters Story they then want to work together again to preserve the beauty of nature.
They could ally with Lysandre who has an equal goal. But that's just my wishful thinking as he has the Water/Fire type at his side.
... Lysandre's goal has nothing to do with what they want. If anything they should team up with Rose.
...once Masters bothers to add him they confirmed he was coming in September of 2021 what the heck why are they dragging their feet with him...
Thing is Lysandre is either paralyzed stuck inside a dark cave to rot away and die or Dead (Y) or Immortal but stuck crushed under rock (X)
@@zizochemlali4639 No, he's up and kicking ass. Going the Anti-Hero route.
To summerize:
Giovanni: Lives as a free man and wants to have revenge someday, maybe.
Maxie and Archie: Gives up on being villains and become friends while in the manga they, uh, idk...
Cyrus: In the games (DP/BDSP), he goes to Battle Tower. In Platinum, he gets stuck in Distorsion World. And in the anime, he creates a new world but gets stuck there forever. In Masters (which might not be canon), he tries to make a never-ending nightmare in the world but gives up on that idea and leaves.
N: Goes on a journey to find his meaning in life.
Colress: Goes around the world and innovate things while in the Anime he gets in prison.
Ghetsis: The BW/B2W2, he becomes crazy and gives up on taking over the world, while other versions of him still tries to do it. In the anime, he gets in prison.
Lysander: Probably died.
Guzma: Becomes a student while in the Anime he disbands Team Skull after losing the Leauge.
Lusamine: In SM, she gets transported to Kanto to Bill to save her life. In USUM, she stay as the president of Aether Paradise and in the Anime she gets her family united again.
Rose: Goes to prison but in the Anime, he lives hidden as a free man.
Volo: Disappears. Due to strong theories of him being a time traveller, he might have found a way to get to another era and found a way to meet Arceus there.
Penny: Disband Team Star and becomes friends with the player.
Professor Sada & Turo: Died a long time ago and their dream project got shut down.
We need a fully flushed out version of Sada and Turo because their story feels rushed and it makes me sad because as professors they seem really cool. Not to mention the tiny crush I have on Turo
Lysandre really met his end to an 8 year old commanding one of the most canonically powerful legendary pokemon huh... That's somehow even more disrespectful than you in the games catching the legendary the evil guy wanted and using it against them.
I find it hilarious that Bonnie of all characters canonically has a kill count
As someone who has made it far enough in the manga I can safely say I still don't know what happened to Archie and Maxie. In ORAS they're kind of like evil ghosts who can possess people but if I remember correctly they just kind of disappear at the end.
Thay are just souls yet somehow managed to get out of the distortion world to save the earth from the meteor after their work was done thay are called back to the distortion world.
@@The_original_one Yeah Kyogre and Groudon somehow brought them back
@@The_original_one I think hoppa had something to do with it too
Was this when everyone turned into rocks? I think they were energy beings and ran out of energy and now they're gone, removed from the cycle of reincarnation, even
@@EphemeralPseudonym Red and everyone was turned to rocks by that one admins Darkrai(I think) during the Emerald chapter
I don’t consider Ghetsis gone as a threat in the games’ universe. Our word that he isn’t scheming comes from…the group whose sole purpose was to help him achieve his schemes. Yeah, NOT the most trustworthy source on his motives being neutral now. 😂
I mean who could tell you that and have you believe them. There is no easy way for them to show Ghetsis having lost his scheming characteristic.
@@johnlynch1353 Ha ha, fair. Tbh if we were only talking the Shadow Triad in a vacuum I would be liable to believe it, but as evil as Ghetsis is…maybe they are actually being honest, but mannn there’s some breathing room for doubt there. 😆
Ghetsis is out of options. No Reshiram , Zekrom , or no Kyurem. No N to manipulate. No team plasma either. Black 2 and White 2 was the hit to the nail for Ghetsis.
@@MortalSoul13plus he waa already slipping mentally so this was the final straw
@@kwayneboy1524 Exactly Gamefreak screwed over Ghetsis
Ok but the scene were Guzma is trying to keep the grunts seperated is hilarious
Fun bonus: The lead scientist of team Flare (don't remember his name) continued doing shady things until being arrested by Looker in the post game of x and y
Xerosic, yeah
Tbf with Giovanni, I would have self-confidence issues if a bunch of 11yo lab monsters were running around the whole world casually fighting entire organizations and pokegods
Archie and Maxie are so strange in the manga sometimes. Like it was heavily implied that one murdered the other in order to survive the whole 'controlling a legendary against its will kills the trainer' thing.
Volo: *Gains your trust, betrays you, works with the devil, leaves.*
*refuses to elaborate*
Volo actually shows up for one second in one of the mini series on the Pokémon TH-cam channel. I need more Volo content 🥲🥲
It’s weird that both the anime and manga almost completely removed Colress’s complexities and potential for good.
Yeah. The manga especially butchered him, even reducing his cameo in Alola to another character dressing up as him.
@@wikiuser92 Man, that's brutal.
.....Can Ghetsis be next?
@@ceecee6521 By "butchered", I meant they butchered his character. He's fully evil without a single redeeming factor (for example, he casually tells Grunts to throw frozen children into the sea) and throws childish tantrums when things don't go his way.
Ghetsis, meanwhile, suffers a mental breakdown when all the Pokémon he abused glare at him with silent rage.
Fr they always fix the Games Worst characters or remain consistent what happened
@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 They also ruin characters sometimes. Like Colress and Lillie, for example. Lillie is supposed to be the main character of the story, but as soon as Nebby evolves at the altar, it ditches her in favor of a character who hadn't interacted with it *once.* Not to mention that the manga only features *one* interaction between Lillie and Lusamine. *One.*
9:46 And in the same event, he and Malva obliterated two TR recruits who were infiltrators trying to cause internal troubles and feud within the ranks of Team Flare, so... Yeah, dont mess with Lysson in Masters' canon XD
5:05 Cyrus chose Infinite Tsukuyomi it seems
What happened to Volo?
Gamefreak : 🤷♂️
Just gonna say, I love Lysandre a whole lot. I like the idea that he is killed in the collapse of the weapon in Y, but in X, he would theoretically become immortal from the effect of Xerneas' power. He's just stuck under the rubble in my mind, immortal but not bothering anyone. Until TPCi sees fit to release him from his self-made prison in revisiting Kalos.
I would like to point out a mistake in the video regarding Guzma’s anime fate.
He was about to disband Team Skull after Ash beat him but they wanted to stick with him to learn to battle as awesome as he did. You can even see them in Pokémon Journeys, with all the Team Skull apparel still present. I guess they’re a lot nicer now
Where is the worse villain of pokemon? The most evil of them all. The one that has gave million of kids trust issues. The one that has a subreddit dedicated to people posting about how much they hate her?
Where is Mindy?
And that's probably why we have a counterpart of her giving us a Haunter *without anything equipped* in SV. lol
Bonnie being the one to take down Lysandre in the anime, is both hilarious and kind of iconic. 😂😂😂 All Hail Queen Bonnie and her Knight, 100% Zygarde! 😂
🤣🤣 Ash win
Cyrus isn't evil, really. He's just the most apathetic person to ever exist.
I also believe he doesn't die in the Distortion world because I don't think anything really exists in there. From the Manga with Maxie and Archie they go there after they die, and with Giratina being the god of Anti-matter (the thing that is everything that isn't a thing) I just think he's just in this limbo place where he gets to know peace.
He is definitely evil
@@nakedmolerat8356No he’s not you Sinnoh fans wish He just sucks & by far the worst “boss” ever.
@@oake5869 ah nah he doesn't die, but he's very much a villain. If he was apathetic he wouldn't be doing any of this
Gotta love how the manga brings out another side of Pokémon, especially for tie in material
Bonnie murdering Lysandre is not the plot twist I was expecting to see today
You should make videos dedicated to the Adventures manga at some point.
Also, I think it's heavily implied that Lysandre murders two Team Rocket Grunts with Volcanion in Masters EX.
I'd like to see one on some other mangas as well
@@BJGvideos Adventures is by far the best known and most easily accessible one.
@@wikiuser92 Still. Also I'd wager DPA is as accessible since it's still in bookstores.
Lol Archie and Maxie also find love in each other, literally
Just because Giovanni had a change of heart in Pokémon Origins doesn’t mean he did in the games. They are separate universes (or maybe even entirely separate canons), to my knowledge.
Lysandre's demise in the game always baffled me when I played it. Mainly because of the reactions of the characters. I think I distinctly remember someone going. "Well that was intense. Welp, I'm gonna go fill up my Pokedex now. What are you gonna do, MC?"
I remember when in the anime, they killed Lysandre like it wasn’t a kids show 💀
Ghetsis ordering kyurem to impale the player with multiple sharp icicles at the end of bw2 is the most metal thing a villain has done, apart from lysandre activating a miniature version of a halo ring
JPR's reaction to Archie and Maxie's fate in the manga is pretty accurate.
Kinda relate to colress, like just join an evil grouo and use their resources to your own experiments.
Archie and Maxie if they had just gotten a normal divorce instead of whatever they did in the manga.
Still can’t believe so many people believed the giovanni suicide theory thinking the radio static was actually him jumping down to the water
Archie and maxie legit pulled a *just a prank, bro*
We didn't see Giovanni after US/UM! He said he would return where is he then!
As for Cyrus dude is probably having a Apocalypse Look with clothes tear downed basically living in the Distortion World preparing to go into war with Sinnoh.
We did see giovani in go
I'm talking about the Main Series not spinoff games.
Cyrus's fate in the anime is literally the "but what if God said" meme
Good to know that others realised that lysander's murder was on bonnie☠️
Although I didn't actually realise that zygarde didn't actually kill Lysander in adventures XY
Bonnie killed Lysander, I always loved the fact that Those two siblings resulted in the end of team flare with bonnie ordering Zyeguarde to execute Lysander and Clemont getting Xerosic arrested.
Why wasn't Alain the dude who Lysandre manipulated the one to kill Lysandre? It makes more sense than a toddler. Honestly the XY writers are the most stupid people who worked on pokemon.
@@sombramemer1230 Bonnie is six. The writers completely gave up Kalos league onwards on the series
@@sombramemer1230 they aren't stupid,you just don't understand what's actually going on in the series☠️
Alain's arc was to save chespy,the final blow was always supposed to be zygarde's
@@ImyIsStillHere They gave up a lot sooner than that.
The villains of Paldea are all already long gone by the time to story actually begins. One set got fired/resigned after they failed to do what they were supposed to do, and the other set are posthumous. The story of ScVi is more about recognizing and dealing with the aftermath of everything that happened long before you got there.
ScVi technically being a postgame is so wild
We don't know why the other professor left. All we get is one line in the journals saying that they left soon after Arven was born.
My head canon was always that, after his psychological breakdown in B2W2, and subsequent defeat, Ghetis Suffered a stroke and would presumably remain bedridden for the rest of his life. Hense the Shadow Triad's lines regarding his fate.
He did already seemingly have severe frostbite or some kind of mauling wounds.
You missed the part in masters where it can be implied Lysandre killed two team rocket grunts
I dunno, I think Origins Giovanni legit goes through a heel-face turn
iirc his dialogue after fighting Red is based on the gen 1 incarnation, and not the revised, more ambiguous response from after he's defeated in FRLG, where he DOES show up in later games with an overall just as antagonistic goal of starting up team rocket again (though it might be just him changing his mind when he hears Team Rocket calling for him during the radio tower takeover)
I could be wrong though
@@UltimatePhantasm Yeah but that was retconned later
I think the reason for the discrepancy in Giovanni’s reformation and then sudden relapse to evil is that pokemon origins followed the plot of the original pokemon red and blu where Giovanni has a change of heart while the current mainline continuity uses fire red and leaf green’s where Giovanni declares that team rocket will make a comeback
When will fans realize that games and the spin off series, manga, generations, anime etc are completely independent productions. Sure they ran by pokemon company but they're made by different people who had their own interpretation of the characters and stories and not game freak, who are actually only responsible for the games
I bloody love the insanity that is the Adventures manga
Guzma actually never disbanded team skull in the anime. He considered it, but Plumeria and the rest of the gang were all inspired by his last efforts in the tournament so they continue to exist afterwards. If I remember correctly, they even make an appearance in the audience when Ash returns to Alola and fights Gladian, Kiawe and Kukui
I like how in Y Lysander is just dead but in X Lysander is immortal and trapped under the canon
Nothing like "becoming one" with your archnemesis to make you rethink your ways
Volo is hinted at being either a time traveler or immortal, though I think it’s the latter of the two. He and Cogita are both descendants of the ancient Sinnoh people. The poems you find around the region are actually written by Cogita a LONG time ago. So I think Volo and Cogita are older than we think.
Some people also think cogita is just straight up Cynthia, which would be cool I think
Cogita is implied to be immortal but not Volo
@@BJGvideos Volo did say he would conquer Arceus “No matter how many years, how many decades, how many centuries it takes me!” So he might be immortal, or maybe he won’t live as long as Cogita. 🤔 Regardless, I think it’s safe to say the dude ain’t normal. 😅
@@kraio-sfu That would be cool! It’s not out of the question, and it adds even more to the mystery!
@@Boredom-ds5yg Yeah but maybe he knows how to achieve that, or maybe he figures he can hang out in the Distortion World for a while to study while time doesn't pass, or maybe he's continuing to be delusional.
Fun fact, in the Pokemon Diamond and Pearl Adventure manga, after getting beaten by Hareta, Cyrus ends up finding his way to Giratina's Dimension, and after seeing Charon use Team Galactic just to get money and riches and after the battle with Giratina, decides to give up Team Galactic and disband it. So in the manga, he not only turns over a new leaf but officially ends Team Galactic.
Cyrus never goes to the Distortion World in DPA. They fight Giratina together but it's in an open field in Sinnoh. Charon is the one who goes to the Distortion World because he's trying to capture Giratina, but gets his ass kicked. Then he gets drawn back out to Sinnoh, tries to go back to Stark Mountain for Heatan, and gets arrested, with the revelation that Cyrus has disbanded TG in the meantime (likely as a plea bargain to avoid punishment, or it seemed that way).
Ghetsis... He just freaking saved you, WHY ARE YOU ATTACKING N. OMG... Ghetsis's brain is not intact, is it? N deserves better.
isn’t maxie also an alcoholic in the manga?
Yup. He is. He's seen being drunk at several points. And Team Magma doesn't even have a set base in the manga, so they just gather to talk wherever and whenever Maxie feels like it.
yes
The manga is FULL of wierd stuff eg the TRADEDY of Clemont vrs tree + esspurs
The first time we see him he's drinking from a sake bottle that's half his height
Volo is now in masters and is still into his shenanigans, manipulating people left and right.
In the games a Team Flayer Grunt mentions a fire in the bunker and that people died, many people I’ve talked to assumed Lycanser burned to death in the room with the weapon
Imagine your a grown adult with an ultimate weapon then died to a child who isn’t even ten😂
Here's hoping Volo shows up in Masters now that Adaman and Irida made their debut
Evice was arrested. Greevil and his son Eldes fled and promised to change their ways. Ardos left to probably commit more war crimes
Ardos even vows to rebuild Cipher after all that. There's a perfectly good sequel hook there and they just never used it. aaaaauuuuugh
I’m planning on working on what happened to the different villains and teams in my fangame. The regional evil team is led by a former Team Flare admin from Johto who sought revenge against Team Rocket, Colress became the Professor in the region that the Nature Preserve is part of, Ghetsis shows up again to unseal the dark force that drives the madness of Team Plasma, Gladion has taken over as Vice President of the Aether Foundation, aiming to stop Pokemon from facing what he faced (USUM is the canon game in mine), Saturn is the leader of Team Galactic, which is now an actual energy company, and Team Aqua’s Matt is now a gym leader alongside his sister (an original character of mine) and uses a Crawdaunt as his ace
Neat
So in the manga maxie and archie die, go to hell, fuse their souls. Then crawl out of hell to be reborn into their old bodies, what the hell
Imagine if Volo appears in Masters with his Sync Pair being Arceus. Would be wild af.
I would say "the entire point of his story is that he's not worthy of Arceus" but well...Zinnia with Rayquaza and Eusine with Suicune apparently don't care
@@BJGvideosYeah it’d make more sense for him to use his togekiss
@@zizochemlali4639 I feel like merchant Volo would get Togekiss and acolyte Volo would get Giratina.
@@BJGvideos To be fair, Zinnia at least is a dedicated and powerful Draconid, who is a decent second choice for Rayquaza to partner with. Suicune probably just partnered up with Eusine for a month or two so that he’d finally give up afterwards.
6:02 Bro gave hes lucario the Name of the forehead Prince
Fun Fact: Lysandre possibly dies in not just Pokémon Y and the anime, but in Pokémon Adventures as well.
In comparison, I don't think any other major villain died in the manga. For all the talk about Adventures being dark and edgy, it is light in important deaths.
He was actualy stated to have survived the whole thing but he got on a Wheelchair
Yeah the amount of Characters that die and stay dead in the Manga is actualy lower than the Anime
@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 Yeah even that beheaded Arbok people like to bang on about survived. It's a plot point that it can regenerate from just its head.
And the Psyduck that got melted earlier in that same scene was already dead since they were in a graveyard, so it doesn't count.
Giovanni still totally murdered those two Magmar for no reason though
For real?? I always thought he died from his injuries. But hey, he's my favorite Pokemon character, so i'll gladly take crippled over dead 🤣
In the manga, both archie and maxie die due to their bodies not being able to handle the power of the orbs.
I love cyrus
Cyrus music is best
Conclusion: Giovanni is like the Hayao Miyazaki of criminal organizations, iconic in his field and has retired only to come back several times
My thoughts:
Giovanni: The most determined and the true OG of all the pokevillains.
Arch and Max: Blinded by ideals but Gets slapped by reality and turned a new leaf
Cyrus: He gets what he want but a total jerk in the end.
Ghestis: A dark idealist manipulator but very lame without his power.
Lysandre: Total Elitist who cares only to rule the world, but he gets vaporized by a robo-plasmatic pokemon known as Zygarde.
Guzma: Tough gangster but a very pathetic coward when confronted.
Rose: Just straight up ambitious but also humble and easy to turn himself in.
I do love how Ghetsis just never tries to be a better person. Just a perpetual pile of garbage, no half ass redemption or anything.
So maxie and archie are soul mates? oh and Cyrus is literally me
Always had a headcanon that Archie and Maxie were holding hands and walking away off to the sunset together
I love that the official Pokémon Twitter essentially confirmed Hardenshipping a few years ago by showing their TCG cards in a heart shaped frame.
I always assumed Giovanni ran out of funds for Team Rocket and decided to give up
I assume, even though we don't actually get to see it, Volo gets his life together after the events of legends, because Cynthia is his descendant.
The manga is weird as heck and I kinda love it for that
A small thing I want to add for Lusamine. In the Masters game, that seem to follow Ultra Moon, Lusamine is shown to actively trying to rebuild her relationship as a mother to Lillie and Gladion though both an event when they were all first added, and a few others where Lusamine is show being protective of them. Even Guzma acknowledged she is actively trying to be a mother now.
((I have a whole thing of personally trying to piece together which game version is “canon” to Masters. Like Masters implies that it’s timeline is Platinum with Cynthia mentioning that last she saw Cyrus he was in the distortion world, but then Cyrus himself is actively plucked from Pearl right before his victory/defeat due to Hoopa (hence him having Palkia). Or Lysandre talking about having tried to use Yveltal for the weapon, implying the timeline used Y))
See the Archie and Maxie story took a HARD left turn lmfao