Well now I see why not Camaros 🫢 All the name/trim, horsepower, noise the owner takes control of the car and the beating continues regardless how much he tried. Soo sad and embarrassing 🥺 LOL
@@djdrauss629 Lol, it really wouldn't. Multiple tests have shown the Supra to run a tenth or two faster in the quarter mile. Driving could have been better here, and a little closer on the roll for sure though.
I’m an LT1 owner, but those b58 engines are killer!! I raced one but I only had the edge on the dig because I upgraded my wheels to 305 in the back and 285 in the front, but the b58 catches up pretty quick, I noticed on a roll race is where the camaro really only wins…. But not by much at all. The stock 245s tgat come with the LT1 don’t do any justice lol
You people need to stop pussy-footing with street tires if you want all the traction on your LT1. You need R compound tires in the rear: nitto 555R drag radials or mickey Thompson et streets.
It is not only about the size, the compound and tire type play a role too, those 245 on the LT1 are all season tires not performance tires. A dedicated 275 will have better traction than a cheap all season 305 in just about any condition except wet, i use Nitto 555 in 285 on my SS and sometimes it fishtails not only on acceleration but when i let go of the gas too. I have a spare set of wheels that i will be mounting drag 275s on
@@johnlangley7521 i worked for a distributor of tires for almost a decade, you would be surprised at the physical difference in width from manufacturer to manufacturer as well as models within the same brand. Me and some the other car guys would sometimes take the time to pull same tire sizes across the board and board and sometimes the difference in contact area(footprint or contact patch) would vary by almost an inch, this means that a smaller running 305 would have no better contact area than a 275/295 of a wider running tire of the same size
@@johncrankshaft2886 I believe this because I’ve experienced it before. I once purchased tires for my previous 05 accord, and the 205s from falken were wider than the others brands at the tire shop, I went with those since I felt like I was getting more tire for the money and being the same size at least with the numbers. It looked like a 215 tire, but it said 205, while others looked more like 195s, it’s weird.
@@inosurrender8327 A lot of dealers are in fact marking them up, I had to look around, but if you're in the market for a Supra I got mine at Family Toyota In Burleson, TX at MSRP. I don't work there or get anything by saying this, just passing along some info for anyone wanting a Supra at MSRP. I did have to wait about 3 months though. On the other had I was supposed to get a 2023 Vette also at MSRP from a dealer in Michigan. I put my deposit in February, when I checked last month I was still number 103 on the list for one at that dealership and I started at 120. So if I'm lucky I might get a 2024...no worries though, the Supra is an awesome daily driver.
@@kenwong8722 hahaha your funny man for the price of that ls500 put it up against something in its class like the ZL1 which i guarantee would eat that little lexus of yours.
@Jack aaah yeah. My question is why is it faster than the BMW coupe with the same engine. 🤦🏿♂️ Stop trying to be smart and actually be smart and answer the question.
The B58 is a beast of an engine, the transmission is coupled perfect and it’s ability to hunt the right gear at power-band is linear with minimum lag across every gear. Launched right I’ve seen them outperform awd’s. The Camaro is a stout daily, factory mapping is too safe for reliability and mpg. Just removing torque management does quite a lot. Great run Sam!
@@mogulme6190 agree even though Supra is 200ish lbs. lighter with 73hp/86 ft lbs. less. I think that is what shocked Sam. The Hp/weight ratio favored the LT1. BMW definitely underrated the Supra. On paper it’s not what happened on pavement. The underdog won every run.
@@wavy6551 So are the LS/LT engines. LoL! Look at all the world records for the LS engines and tell me where the B58, or any German/Euro engines for that matter, compare!!! 😏
In this video, both cars make similar hp (yes, the Sup makes about 440 bhp) but the Sup is 200-300 lbs lighter. The result is expected. But talking strictly about the potency of the engines, the LS is much more potent and has all the records to prove. Look up the LS running 7s, 6s and 5s. The B58 is an unknown newb and hasn't accomplished anything in the drag racing world.
That’s facts and plus on the roll Maro starts pullin but then the race ends, which goes back to ur point from the low end it’s having issues cuz of the baby 245s.
@@cw2840 as in reelin at the top end but by then race is over, that’s when I was saying the maro has low end weakness cuz the small tires and the lack of catching traction from the beginning
My friends 2021 supra made 385 whp and 417 lb ft TO THE WHEELS stock… just like most bmw turbo motors, it’s underrated and advertised crank hp is actually what it makes to the wheels. That equates to about 430 crank hp and 480 lb ft A stock 6th Gen ss same day and same dyno made 408 whp and 395 lb ft
supras are definitely conservatively rated.. didnt know the camaro made so little by comparison and its a shitload heavier... no wonder it couldnt catch the supra
Great races. Fellow Camaro owner, start all rolling races in manual mode (in 2nd or 3rd gear) depending on speed, then hit gear level over to drive to let it shift on its own. It will make the rolling races a lot closer since the a10 tends to take a moment to downshift from a rolling start
@@nighthawk0077 Yes the rolling races were done in full auto. The A10 shifts quicker than a PDK but doesn't select gears nearly as well as the ZF transmission left to its own devices. Sam is a beast, so I know going forward he will start the races in manual, then switch to drive. All automatic besides DCT cars perform the best rolling acceleration times using this method.
@@anthonysaquatics4359 I don't know how so many months in Sam is still making these kinds of basic errors. Lots of room for improvement in producing and editing these races as well. I guess let's wait and see.
Lets not forget the LT1 comes with shitty all season thinner tires than the SS, the LT1 uses a square setup the same size as the SS fronts so traction will be limited. Speed/acceleration is not as simple as HP, gearing and traction play a big role as the old saying goes; spinning aint winning!
Intersting stuff. On launches, hook up for the LT1 was clearly an issue. Also, I came across one guy that swore the LT1 was faster in the Touring mode.
Now more than ever the Camaro LT1 stands to be the best bargain of a true sports car on sale today. 40k v8 and a fantastic chassis tune, even with the other engines.
More like 50k + with the price mark ups and low availability of cars. Used 16’-18’ 6th Gen Camaros are going for more than what they went for BRAND NEW when originally first sold. I’ve seen used 6th gens with 50k miles going for upwards of 40k+ which is just laughable.
@@henryRodriguez4073 Nope not 60k. 60k range what are you buying a zl1 lol? This isn’t even an ss it’s the lt1 which is the lowest trim you can get with the v8
This video was so freaking fun. The host going bananas and the Supra driver looking like he's thinking about what he'd like to have for dinner :) Then the host suddenly transforming into his buddy for no apparent reason. All this coupled with 1/4 mile races that last longer than the original race in Fast and the Furious. This is not a knock. I loved it. :)
@@dnegel9546 He doesn't make a lot of sense in general. He also said he EXPECTED the Camaro to win, and then says but it lost and he expected it to lose but be closer. That's why I don't trust this channel.
@@soapa4279 i think he just makes alot of mistakes because of how busy he is that we dont see on video. But price wise the supra is actually closer to the base model ZL1. But this channel is more about racingbwhatever is laying around.. Sometimes literally. 😅 I just watch it for fun. I wish they raced slower cars.
@@Sergio-lu9kb true, but that’s the fun in fair races, NA vs NA makes heaps more sense then SC vs NA. At that point it’s like saying you want to race someone in a wheelchair up a hill.
01:42 "It's light but the weight distribution is not as great on that car" What... the GR Supra has a near 50/50 weight distribution. I don't understand how it could get any better? And at the end, you said you expected the Camaro to "Win by a lot" but it didn't win by a lot, it lost. And then you said it's closer than you expected to be.
S2000 owner here, 50:50 is good and all, but 60:40 is better if you talking pure track cars (MR etc). More weight on the driving wheels (or the wheels that do the most work).
@@N4CR Yes that makes sense, probably why Chevy finally created the C8. I was mostly just pointing out to the inconsistent and contradictory statements.
Awesome video, Sam! The Camaro LT1 comes with all-season Goodyear runflats, whereas the Supra comes with Michelin PSS. I wonder what the results would have been with matched tires!
They should have either used an SS model or the 1LE model. The LT1 model is the base V8 model and comes with crap tires that are also smaller than the SS tires, rears at least
@@everythingcrypto5577 the LT1 is the BASE V8 model. This is for people that want V8 but don't plan on aggressive driving or track duty. This is not the model that should have been run against a Supra with really good tires. The SS model not only comes with better tires but wider rear tires than the LT1.
LT1 rear tires are too skinny for the power. SS has wider tires and would’ve helped a bit, but it turned out just as expected though great races! I own a Camaro SS and love to see a Camaro on the channel!
I have a 10 speed Camaro . On the roll on races you have to put in on manual mode and downshift to the lowest gear then floor it and slap the stick back over. That lag was bad lol. I still want a Supra though it’s gorgeous 👌🏼
@Catholic Firefighter if you’re only into the speed part of it then no. The LT1 is as basic as it gets and that’s a top of the line Supra with all the bells and whistles.
@Catholic Firefighter I have a 2021 Supra 3.OL but yeah it is expensive- that 20 Grand would buy a lot of forced induction for the Camaro- I have no hate for any of em I have owned Mustangs, Camaros and Vettes, and 2 gens of Supra. All fun in their own way.
Keep in mind the LT1 is the base V8 that comes in some ~$15k under the 3.0 Supra. An SS 1LE would be a slightly better comparison. No extra power but better tires, and better suspension. Though you didn't do a track comparison the SS 1LE should handily beat the Supra on track, where the LT1 would probably be about even.
@@15longway The LT1 trim with a 6-speed weighs 3,619 lbs. A 1SS with a 6-speed weighs 3,685 lbs. So, no, the LT1 is not 300 lbs lighter. The 1LE package does not add another 234 lbs of weight.
I bought a 2018 gt mustang 6 speed 1 yr ago and I love it! I have added borla catback, cold air intake and 85mm throttle body so far and I have the shorty headers in the closet that will be installed soon. Those bolt ons have made such a big difference so far.
Honestly wish Sam would have just let the Camaro owner drive for the dig. He (owner) used Launch Control in the last video with this same car. Sam in this race did not enable launch control, which I feel would have given him a much more controlled, and better launch.
He's talking about launch control in general. The LT1 camaro doesn't have computerized launch control. They should have run either a camaro SS(which has launch control), or a Camaro ZL1, which represents the best camaro has to offer(which would destroy the supra).
@@MrKevinwoulfe Wrong. I have an LT1, and it has launch control which is activated by entering competition mode (pressing traction control twice in sport mode), pressing brake, and flooring the throttle, with revs being held at 2K. As I mentioned earlier, the same car utilized LC in the last video against the Is500. It's obvious when it's active, because you hear full throttle at the launch.
@@shabanajannik2600 Barely lost on that last roll, and a dig is a different story. Scatpacks get destroyed on rolls, but from a dig they run about the same time as an SS/LT1.
@@MrKevinwoulfe you mad the Camaro lost huh lol 😂 talk about the current race with the current cars … you can tell when someone is mad about the results they go to talking about hypotheticals and cars that aren’t racing 😂
But the Supra wins performance per horsepower as well as performance per hp to weight ratio. As well as exterior and interior and durability hence price.
@@Youcallthesebagels_ even in a role race a LSD makes a difference since it limits the wheel spin ( as the camaro has around 450 lbft/ 623 NM ), as you might also know the supra comes with a LSD which helped it in the dig and in the role race.
also without any disrespect to the supra, it has a BMW engine which we all new are way underrated and they always make more horsepower than claimed form the factory.
IMO Camaro sounds better. Closer then I thought! Comes down to the launch. Roll race pretty equal IMO. Both awesome cars but priced in a FAR different class. A ZL1 vs 3.0 Supra. Let's see that race!
@@davidwade7681 if you had ever driven the Supra longer than a 15 minute test drive (which I have), you’d realize that’s the biggest compliment. When you get a car that feels more like a traditional toyota, you get a BRZ. Meh.
This outcome is about right. The Supra really makes about 380 RWHP, so 420+ at the crank. Given the weight difference, it should be a very close race, and it was.
they used an LT1 which has 245 all season tires stock..... the supra GR comes with performance tires stock... they should have used an SS the insane loss of traction on a 245 radial that should be 280+ is a HUGE problem.
Supra Won... 4 Times! Camaro is nice but even if you stop the spinning, the Supra was Still pulling away down the track. Supra always impresses me. Great stuff, Sam! Thanks for what you do!
@@Ton-uy1xd "Low-end base model v8 camaro" @ 455 HP... Against a 382 HP 6 cylinder Toyota? And you're going to complain your car was too cheap? How much a car costs has nothing to do with HP and performance. The Camaro has approx 75 more HP and about 80 lbs more in torque. And it couldn't quite keep up with the Supra. Yes, I agree there will always be another car that can beat any car. But in this video, I think the comparison was more than justified. And the Supra won... 4 Times! PLUS... the Supra gets 22 mpg city and 30 mpg highway. Your Camaro of choice likely gets about 15 to 20 mpg. Another Supra win! ;)
@@rindordrums That's not true I beat Supra 3.0's all the time on the strip and my SS1LE is the manual. Even when I lose, I still trap higher by 3-5mph. From a dig it comes down to the driver, like just about every other car in this price range. All that being said, the Supra doesn't stand a chance on the track. See Car & Driver Lightning Lap if you don't believe me. Edit: you're also totally wrong about the price difference. If you spend the same for a Camaro as the Supra 3.0 GR, You get Magnaride shocks, eLSD and much wider track tires. It all makes a massive difference from a dig.
I own a 2022 Supra and a 2017 Grand Sport Corvette. They are pretty equal in weight and my Vette has 335’s on back. Im pretty sure it would be a good race between those two as my dragy has them at near identical 0-60 times and thats with more wheel spin from the vette. Supra’s are no joke, however i prefer the vette!
There is a launch control mode hidden behind the traction control when you hit it twice when in sport mode. It would have helped the Camaro from the dig.
@L W February. Of course, the salesman lowballed me on my trade-in, a 2016 SS sedan in pristine condition with only 37k miles on it. Absolutely loved that car, but it was an automatic and I wanted to get back into a manual. While I miss my SS and it was really unique, I'm having fun in my ZL1.
The problem with us Americans is that we tend to only pay attention to our big v8s and not what imports are engineering in smaller engines. I was very biased at first, then started to like what BMW and Japanese manufacturers were doing. I got me a Supra last year and was absolutely blown away on how quick they are. I only have a DP/ Botti Tune and it walks Hellcats and and my own ZL1..
So you running the top of the line car of one mfg and the entry level on the other? Why not a zl1 or an SS 1le? That is like running the 2.0L supra with 255hp against an SS or how about the ZL1 with 650hp. Why all the early gear changes at 4:00? On paper these cars running almost identical times?
The fact that they are running identical times is why it's a good comparison. The SS1LE isn't really any faster in a straight line than the LT1. A ZL1? Yea, that would be like comparing the 2.0 Supra to an SS. The Zl1 makes 650 HP, and the Supra makes about 400. So that would be just as foolish. I agree though about the gear changes, doesn't look like the Camaro owner used the paddle shifters to launch from the optimal rpm on the rolls.
ZL1 wouldn't be fair race for a Stock supra it has over 200hp on it. The 1LE is actually heavier with the 1LE package than a very base LT1 model .Horsepower Doesn't change with 1LE or LT1 its the same. Power for Power and weight for weight this is the fairest race.
@@Dolby109 watch the video again to see how. A RWD V8 is not easy if you’re not used to it, it’s not like launching a GT-R. It doesn’t have launch control or AWD.
@@Dolby109 I didn’t know if LT1s had it standard or as option but anyway you can see he hasn’t had much experience launching it, the 1st dig run he went too soft and 2nd run he spun.
please make more videos like this. The Supra is a beast, and the gentleman driving it looks so relaxed while the crappy Camaro was shaking and shuttering.
@@Surefire346 Its actually made in Canada and its a POS. Watch Scotty Kilner...a millionaire car mechanic with a master's degree AND he has more followers. Learn how Toyota ? Lexus makes the most reliable cars around. I drive Lexus ES, ISF and LFA.
@@Surefire346 really? watch that Supra that goes to the race track and races and then drives off. Ask any mechanic about how reliable Toyotas are. My neighbor rebuilds transmissions and guess what kind of brand new truck he owns. He has a daughter....guess what kind of car he bought his daughter? Consumer Reports (non advertising magazine) ranks reliable cars. I own a Lexus. number one = Lexus.
Check the Supra vs m340i race out, the Supra took the bmw to GAPPLEBEES. They might have the same engine and rated HP but supra is way lighter so that should be self explanatory
Same here, I’ve raced multiple supras in my old 1LE and it was never anything like this I was always 2-3 cars out ahead from dig and roll. But then again the 1LE tires are alot bigger and once warm the compound grips nicely
The Camaro is so much cooler! The sound of the Camaro is glorious ! Bang for the buck the Camaro is a MONSTER WITH gobs of aftermarket potential And put them both on a road course and time and time again the Camaro 1LE will come out on top..
What this tells me is that I'm either an amazing driver to beat 2 different A91 Supras with my manual gearbox 21 Camaro SS or the Camaro in this video would do better with a different driver.
The Supra with the 3.0 has a base price of and this includes destination, $52,915. Camaro base LT1 including destination is $37k. How’s that twice as much? My math says it’s 40% more. Big difference.
That B58 putting down close to 390-400 to the wheels if I guees. The Camaro probbly puts down the same 390-400. Camaro can't win here. The weight will make it lose.
Was not expecting that. That supra is a beast. On paper the camaro should have won on a dig and roll. Slightly heavier but quite a bit more hp and torque should've got the job done. Very impressive toyota.
You also have to note the B58 382 hp is more than likely wheel hp. And not hp from the crank. When people dyno those Supra's, they are dynoing above 400 hp and above 400 lb-ft of tq.
I have a 2021 LT1 and my friend has the Supra. All of our runs have been a close battle a 50/50 split, I have cold air induction and custom exhaust now. I should get him every time now. LOL
I would like to see some under hood shots before the races. Makes sure these cars are stock. What's the elevation? Depending on that the Camaro could be down 20-30hp.
All these noobs commenting on here how can a Camaro with 70hp advantage loses to a Supra, they just dont understand 200 weight difference is a huge deal in car races not to mention being turbo charged, Put that 3.0 vs 6.2 or 5.0 NA and see what happens to the Supra lol
Thank you I was screaming at the screen saying downshift bruh. The damn car got 10 gears for forsake that damn delay when it drop. Camaro would have won every roll race🤦🏾♂️
I'm just going to point out one thing that is specific to me.. I can not say it's the case for everyone but the cost of the Supra GR is MUCH closer to the cost of a ZL1 Camaro / 1LT Corvette than it is a LT1 Camaro.
I was thinking the same. Like a more fair race is actually against a base model zl1. But this channel is more about racing whatever its available and overall i like it. The camaro did great keeping up with a car 15k+ more expensive. Just 2 better tires away from beating it.
The similar performance is why the LT1 and Supra are being compared, not the cost. The Supra is closer to the ZL1 in price, but the ZL1 also makes 650 HP, and is half a second quicker in the quarter mile than the Supra.
That was such a good race Sam. Could you ask the owner of the Supra to dyno it to see how much power it actually makes. Could you also get a 5.0 V8 mustang against the Supra with 10 speed because I think the mustang is slightly faster than the Camaro.
@@t-lawsfitness6044 i have a 2.0 accord and ive also ran multiple v6 camaros brotha, its mot even close and thts when i was stock. The 2.0 camaro itself outruns the v6. The v6 sounds good asf with an exhaust but its just upto the par
I Grew up closets Toyota. I'm 50. When in 1988 I drove a British racing green to door Camry with the 3 leader V6 with heavy duty swaybar's front and rear that was the best car I've ever driven. It's a normal car I'd bet one of th3 best
Don’t they trap around 111-114 mph? That’s not 450hp! No where near in a car that’s not that heavy! They do however have a great big power band and quick gearbox. 60-130 or 100-200 kph is the best measure of a cars power. It was level with a 455hp Camaro which weighs far more and the power band is not as flat! So there’s no chance it has similar power to the Camaro.
We should definitely get a 10Spd 5.0 with the drag mode on here to run the Supra to compare. If I wasn’t 3,000+miles away I would bring mine up there 😂
WOW!!!! I'm a long time JDM guy and have been teasesd for years by my domestic car fanboy buddies so this is a HAPPY-DAY for me! I've owned Camaros, Vettes, Celicas, and Zs!!! Never got a Supra under my garage but always wanted one. My Dad's started me with a Celica and his friend had a a Supra. Man I loved that car. Now I'm waiting to see how this new Z is going to land on the market; to make my move between it or the MK5!!!! Awesome video! ✌🏾🖤✊🏾
Makes sense, for $53,000 I would expect the Supra is slightly faster than the $37,000 Camaro. Supra is a nice car, glad in the 2023 model it'll have a manual trans again.
You guys complained about “no Camaro content” well brace yourself my friends. 😎
Well now I see why not Camaros 🫢
All the name/trim, horsepower, noise the owner takes control of the car and the beating continues regardless how much he tried.
Soo sad and embarrassing 🥺
LOL
Don't know what's sad or embarrassing, when the LT1 is damn near $20,000 cheaper. Both LT1 drivers here did not do the car justice.
Still glad to see the Camaro participating! You guys should try to get an SS or 1LE on here since it'll hook a bit better. 😎
Dude you can't drive. That Camaro would smoke that Supra with a good driver.
@@djdrauss629 Lol, it really wouldn't. Multiple tests have shown the Supra to run a tenth or two faster in the quarter mile. Driving could have been better here, and a little closer on the roll for sure though.
Race starts at 3:00.
@@YasssStitch goated
I’m an LT1 owner, but those b58 engines are killer!! I raced one but I only had the edge on the dig because I upgraded my wheels to 305 in the back and 285 in the front, but the b58 catches up pretty quick, I noticed on a roll race is where the camaro really only wins…. But not by much at all. The stock 245s tgat come with the LT1 don’t do any justice lol
I'm getting the same 0-60 times (4.0s) on 275 F1 Summer tires as I did on the 245 All Season, thought maybe I'd see 3.9 or less
You people need to stop pussy-footing with street tires if you want all the traction on your LT1. You need R compound tires in the rear: nitto 555R drag radials or mickey Thompson et streets.
It is not only about the size, the compound and tire type play a role too, those 245 on the LT1 are all season tires not performance tires. A dedicated 275 will have better traction than a cheap all season 305 in just about any condition except wet, i use Nitto 555 in 285 on my SS and sometimes it fishtails not only on acceleration but when i let go of the gas too. I have a spare set of wheels that i will be mounting drag 275s on
@@johnlangley7521 i worked for a distributor of tires for almost a decade, you would be surprised at the physical difference in width from manufacturer to manufacturer as well as models within the same brand. Me and some the other car guys would sometimes take the time to pull same tire sizes across the board and board and sometimes the difference in contact area(footprint or contact patch) would vary by almost an inch, this means that a smaller running 305 would have no better contact area than a 275/295 of a wider running tire of the same size
@@johncrankshaft2886 I believe this because I’ve experienced it before. I once purchased tires for my previous 05 accord, and the 205s from falken were wider than the others brands at the tire shop, I went with those since I felt like I was getting more tire for the money and being the same size at least with the numbers. It looked like a 215 tire, but it said 205, while others looked more like 195s, it’s weird.
In the United States:
The starting MSRP of a Supra 3.0 GR is $51,640
The starting MSRP of a Chevrolet Camaro LT1 V8 is $35,800
Msrp but both these cars prob have a 10k markup rn lol
@@inosurrender8327 I agree markups are stupid but it doesn't change the fact that there's a massive price difference between them....
@@deejayimm I’m confused how buddy responded to you without noticing he proved your point.
@@inosurrender8327 A lot of dealers are in fact marking them up, I had to look around, but if you're in the market for a Supra I got mine at Family Toyota In Burleson, TX at MSRP. I don't work there or get anything by saying this, just passing along some info for anyone wanting a Supra at MSRP. I did have to wait about 3 months though. On the other had I was supposed to get a 2023 Vette also at MSRP from a dealer in Michigan. I put my deposit in February, when I checked last month I was still number 103 on the list for one at that dealership and I started at 120. So if I'm lucky I might get a 2024...no worries though, the Supra is an awesome daily driver.
Still the Supra wins lol or get the IS 500 ( V8 ) Lexus that will still beat the Camaro
That supra is a beast! Thank you Sam and everyone that came together to make this amazing video.... both cars are still very impressive.
Yup, I agree or get the IS 500 ( V8 ) Lexus that will still beat the Camaro, easily.
@@kenwong8722 Sam has a video of a "Camaro" going up against the IS 500...Definitely a must watch!
@@kenwong8722 th-cam.com/video/qVRVFuya1qM/w-d-xo.html
Simple bolt ons and mods on the Supra and will be a very fun car.
@@kenwong8722 hahaha your funny man for the price of that ls500 put it up against something in its class like the ZL1 which i guarantee would eat that little lexus of yours.
BMW has underrated the horsepower for decades! I've owned two of them and I will tell you that they seemed a lot faster than rated horsepower!
So why does the Supra beat the BMW Z?
@@Thaloveexperience because it’s the same engine with the same power but the bmw is a little heavier
It’s bmw motor with Toyota tunning
@Jack aaah yeah. My question is why is it faster than the BMW coupe with the same engine. 🤦🏿♂️
Stop trying to be smart and actually be smart and answer the question.
@Jack uuuuh there's only a 100lbs difference. I'm starting to think you're not that smart. 🤔
The B58 is a beast of an engine, the transmission is coupled perfect and it’s ability to hunt the right gear at power-band is linear with minimum lag across every gear. Launched right I’ve seen them outperform awd’s. The Camaro is a stout daily, factory mapping is too safe for reliability and mpg. Just removing torque management does quite a lot. Great run Sam!
The Supra benefits from being lighter and traction. Lt1 is a superior engine
@@mogulme6190 agree even though Supra is 200ish lbs. lighter with 73hp/86 ft lbs. less. I think that is what shocked Sam. The Hp/weight ratio favored the LT1. BMW definitely underrated the Supra. On paper it’s not what happened on pavement. The underdog won every run.
B58s with very minimal bolt ons are pretty quick 🕺🏾
@@wavy6551 So are the LS/LT engines. LoL! Look at all the world records for the LS engines and tell me where the B58, or any German/Euro engines for that matter, compare!!! 😏
In this video, both cars make similar hp (yes, the Sup makes about 440 bhp) but the Sup is 200-300 lbs lighter. The result is expected. But talking strictly about the potency of the engines, the LS is much more potent and has all the records to prove. Look up the LS running 7s, 6s and 5s. The B58 is an unknown newb and hasn't accomplished anything in the drag racing world.
The lt1 trim has the 245 in the rear instead of the 275 like the ss trim that would explain the traction issues
Stop blaming the tyres you butthurt slowmaro fan boy they are over rated and slow way faster cars around than those old gas guzzling dinosaur cars
That’s facts and plus on the roll Maro starts pullin but then the race ends, which goes back to ur point from the low end it’s having issues cuz of the baby 245s.
@@JT-gh9hi maro didnt pull on the roll
@@cw2840 as in reelin at the top end but by then race is over, that’s when I was saying the maro has low end weakness cuz the small tires and the lack of catching traction from the beginning
My friends 2021 supra made 385 whp and 417 lb ft TO THE WHEELS stock… just like most bmw turbo motors, it’s underrated and advertised crank hp is actually what it makes to the wheels.
That equates to about 430 crank hp and 480 lb ft
A stock 6th Gen ss same day and same dyno made 408 whp and 395 lb ft
supras are definitely conservatively rated.. didnt know the camaro made so little by comparison and its a shitload heavier... no wonder it couldnt catch the supra
Oh? And how did you equate that?
@@Welcometofacsistube on a dynojet with sae cf
Definitely agree with you 👌
@@skip741x3 bmw
Wow! that was Not what I expected, especially from the roll races...hella fast supra!
Fake
Great races. Fellow Camaro owner, start all rolling races in manual mode (in 2nd or 3rd gear) depending on speed, then hit gear level over to drive to let it shift on its own. It will make the rolling races a lot closer since the a10 tends to take a moment to downshift from a rolling start
Wait he did the rolling start runs in full auto ?
@@nighthawk0077 Yes the rolling races were done in full auto. The A10 shifts quicker than a PDK but doesn't select gears nearly as well as the ZF transmission left to its own devices. Sam is a beast, so I know going forward he will start the races in manual, then switch to drive. All automatic besides DCT cars perform the best rolling acceleration times using this method.
@@anthonysaquatics4359 I don't know how so many months in Sam is still making these kinds of basic errors. Lots of room for improvement in producing and editing these races as well. I guess let's wait and see.
Lets not forget the LT1 comes with shitty all season thinner tires than the SS, the LT1 uses a square setup the same size as the SS fronts so traction will be limited. Speed/acceleration is not as simple as HP, gearing and traction play a big role as the old saying goes; spinning aint winning!
Intersting stuff.
On launches, hook up for the LT1 was clearly an issue. Also, I came across one guy that swore the LT1 was faster in the Touring mode.
Supra killed it!
Now more than ever the Camaro LT1 stands to be the best bargain of a true sports car on sale today. 40k v8 and a fantastic chassis tune, even with the other engines.
More like 50k + with the price mark ups and low availability of cars. Used 16’-18’ 6th Gen Camaros are going for more than what they went for BRAND NEW when originally first sold. I’ve seen used 6th gens with 50k miles going for upwards of 40k+ which is just laughable.
I really hopped you didn’t actually mean at 40k their going to 60+ all day long
@@Sneaky5.sl0w. This is an lt1 not an ss so it is the base model with the 6.2….so yes it is considerably much cheaper.
@@henryRodriguez4073 Nope not 60k. 60k range what are you buying a zl1 lol? This isn’t even an ss it’s the lt1 which is the lowest trim you can get with the v8
@@dz_gt500 I heard base price is supposed to be $34,000 for the base LT1
This video was so freaking fun. The host going bananas and the Supra driver looking like he's thinking about what he'd like to have for dinner :) Then the host suddenly transforming into his buddy for no apparent reason. All this coupled with 1/4 mile races that last longer than the original race in Fast and the Furious.
This is not a knock. I loved it. :)
What do you mean by "the weight distribution is not that great" on the Supra? It's literally almost a perfect 50/50 lol
Thanks for noticing that too, I'm like WTF.
Probably meant the camaro. Which i believe is 52 front.
@@dnegel9546 He doesn't make a lot of sense in general. He also said he EXPECTED the Camaro to win, and then says but it lost and he expected it to lose but be closer. That's why I don't trust this channel.
@@soapa4279 i think he just makes alot of mistakes because of how busy he is that we dont see on video.
But price wise the supra is actually closer to the base model ZL1. But this channel is more about racingbwhatever is laying around.. Sometimes literally. 😅
I just watch it for fun. I wish they raced slower cars.
@@dnegel9546 Yeah thanks for the sensible thoughts, and perhaps you're right. It might be him rushing a bit.
If the Supra did that to the V8 Camaro how far back would the Lexus IS500 be?
Yeah to the Naturally aspirated Camaro. Lol Had they used a ZL1 supercharged Camaro that Supra wouldn’t even be close.
@@Sergio-lu9kb true, but that’s the fun in fair races, NA vs NA makes heaps more sense then SC vs NA. At that point it’s like saying you want to race someone in a wheelchair up a hill.
@@hogflies3208 that supra is not naturally aspirated it’s a i6 turbocharged engine
01:42
"It's light but the weight distribution is not as great on that car"
What... the GR Supra has a near 50/50 weight distribution. I don't understand how it could get any better?
And at the end, you said you expected the Camaro to "Win by a lot" but it didn't win by a lot, it lost. And then you said it's closer than you expected to be.
Beats me how this wannabe car journalist can have so many subscribers. His lack of competent is embarrassing.
S2000 owner here, 50:50 is good and all, but 60:40 is better if you talking pure track cars (MR etc). More weight on the driving wheels (or the wheels that do the most work).
@@N4CR Yes that makes sense, probably why Chevy finally created the C8.
I was mostly just pointing out to the inconsistent and contradictory statements.
As a supra owner yeah they’re no joke the power is 100% underrated you really need 500 Hp+ to take the car down
Till the 5.0 Coyote pulls up with the 10R80 then the supra is in trouble provided the air both stock
@@rodneyloepker6344 Carwow did that race and alas the mustang fell to the Supra too.
Awesome video, Sam! The Camaro LT1 comes with all-season Goodyear runflats, whereas the Supra comes with Michelin PSS. I wonder what the results would have been with matched tires!
Runflats are garbage and I agree the Camaro needs better tires to compete
Chevy and their cheap skate throwing Goodyear tires on a car pushing out 400+ hp, shake my head
They should have either used an SS model or the 1LE model. The LT1 model is the base V8 model and comes with crap tires that are also smaller than the SS tires, rears at least
@@everythingcrypto5577 the LT1 is the BASE V8 model. This is for people that want V8 but don't plan on aggressive driving or track duty. This is not the model that should have been run against a Supra with really good tires. The SS model not only comes with better tires but wider rear tires than the LT1.
Camaro would win, I beat one on a 93 oct tune while I was stock 🤔 (in my 2ss)
Both Grey cars with an overcast sky, provided great visuals. Both sounded great. Fun video.
LT1 rear tires are too skinny for the power. SS has wider tires and would’ve helped a bit, but it turned out just as expected though great races! I own a Camaro SS and love to see a Camaro on the channel!
😂😂😂GM needs to retire this ancient engine. 455 hp out of 6.2 liters is worse than most economy cars.
@@deman19901 they didnt because it’s a simple setup that works🤣 don’t worry camaro going away next year
@@juliuslaboy185 Good riddance
@@deman19901 & stock for stock still out here gapping 6.4s & 5.0s lol
@@angelg.5751 sure buddy whatever you say! 🙄
I have a 10 speed Camaro . On the roll on races you have to put in on manual mode and downshift to the lowest gear then floor it and slap the stick back over. That lag was bad lol. I still want a Supra though it’s gorgeous 👌🏼
@Catholic Firefighter if you’re only into the speed part of it then no. The LT1 is as basic as it gets and that’s a top of the line Supra with all the bells and whistles.
@Catholic Firefighter I have a 2021 Supra 3.OL but yeah it is expensive- that 20 Grand would buy a lot of forced induction for the Camaro- I have no hate for any of em I have owned Mustangs, Camaros and Vettes, and 2 gens of Supra. All fun in their own way.
Keep in mind the LT1 is the base V8 that comes in some ~$15k under the 3.0 Supra. An SS 1LE would be a slightly better comparison. No extra power but better tires, and better suspension.
Though you didn't do a track comparison the SS 1LE should handily beat the Supra on track, where the LT1 would probably be about even.
Lt1 weight less 300 pounds. I can't see the ss beating a supra nowhere; Track ,highway or twisty. Maybe with upgraded package
@@15longway
The SS beats the Supra on track.
It takes 5 seconds to look up this up
@@15longway The LT1 trim with a 6-speed weighs 3,619 lbs. A 1SS with a 6-speed weighs 3,685 lbs. So, no, the LT1 is not 300 lbs lighter. The 1LE package does not add another 234 lbs of weight.
@@15longway the regular ss beats it around a track.
No point of even comparing it to a 1le.
CLOWN!
I've driven an identical supra and a 10 speed 2ss Camaro, and I'm not shocked at this result. The supra power is a big fat lie. Lol
Bmw for ya
@@davidwade7681 similar to Yamaha and their overrating instead of underrating of the horsepower on a Lexus ISF.
Just picked up my 2022 LT1 Camaro last Friday, it’s a lot of fun to drive!
I bought a 2018 gt mustang 6 speed 1 yr ago and I love it! I have added borla catback, cold air intake and 85mm throttle body so far and I have the shorty headers in the closet that will be installed soon. Those bolt ons have made such a big difference so far.
Honestly wish Sam would have just let the Camaro owner drive for the dig. He (owner) used Launch Control in the last video with this same car. Sam in this race did not enable launch control, which I feel would have given him a much more controlled, and better launch.
Would still lose, he lost the roll too.. soooooo ah yeah
He's talking about launch control in general. The LT1 camaro doesn't have computerized launch control. They should have run either a camaro SS(which has launch control), or a Camaro ZL1, which represents the best camaro has to offer(which would destroy the supra).
@@MrKevinwoulfe Wrong. I have an LT1, and it has launch control which is activated by entering competition mode (pressing traction control twice in sport mode), pressing brake, and flooring the throttle, with revs being held at 2K. As I mentioned earlier, the same car utilized LC in the last video against the Is500. It's obvious when it's active, because you hear full throttle at the launch.
@@shabanajannik2600 Barely lost on that last roll, and a dig is a different story. Scatpacks get destroyed on rolls, but from a dig they run about the same time as an SS/LT1.
@@MrKevinwoulfe you mad the Camaro lost huh lol 😂 talk about the current race with the current cars … you can tell when someone is mad about the results they go to talking about hypotheticals and cars that aren’t racing 😂
Supra went door to door with a 10speed mach1 I already knew this was gonna be close. But Lt1 wins performance per dollar 💵
Next do Supra vs Nissan Z
But the Supra wins performance per horsepower as well as performance per hp to weight ratio. As well as exterior and interior and durability hence price.
someone already did it on youtube and the Nissan Z got smoked bad.
European/Japanese car quality against American car quality...
Not even close.
Amazing race with two amazing cars!
Supra really is about 420hp, BMW underrated it
The zl1 is overrated too typical American
@@GodKing804 the camaro in the video was a base LT1 camaro. if it was the ss with the LSD in the rear diff the results would be the opposite.
@@mohamedalabri1132 how so? They did a roll race lol. So no it wouldn’t be different.
@@Youcallthesebagels_ even in a role race a LSD makes a difference since it limits the wheel spin ( as the camaro has around 450 lbft/ 623 NM ), as you might also know the supra comes with a LSD which helped it in the dig and in the role race.
also without any disrespect to the supra, it has a BMW engine which we all new are way underrated and they always make more horsepower than claimed form the factory.
IMO Camaro sounds better. Closer then I thought! Comes down to the launch. Roll race pretty equal IMO. Both awesome cars but priced in a FAR different class. A ZL1 vs 3.0 Supra. Let's see that race!
My thoughts exactly
We all know the BMW Supra cannot mess with the ZL1 trim level Camaro
Give the supra some bolts on and u will lol other than that you're not comparing much lol
I know a Supra with a tune can rip pretty hard too. I like both cars and would own both if I could! Lol
I love my 2010 SS with stage III cam, longtubes, cat deletes, into Borla Atak. It sounds absolutely insane. Just chops like a big ol nasty v8 should.
That BMW/Supra is amazing.
I’m late to the party but had fun anyways. 😂 thanks for the video Sam!!!
Thank you 🙏
Solid win for the Supra!
@@GoDsSoN770 🪦
Bmw
@@davidwade7681 if you had ever driven the Supra longer than a 15 minute test drive (which I have), you’d realize that’s the biggest compliment.
When you get a car that feels more like a traditional toyota, you get a BRZ. Meh.
@@davidwade7681 Yamaha
This outcome is about right. The Supra really makes about 380 RWHP, so 420+ at the crank. Given the weight difference, it should be a very close race, and it was.
339-349whp actually
@@NellyEIEI The 2020 Supra with the prior version of the B58 made 340 WHP. This revision makes roughly 380 WHP.
they used an LT1 which has 245 all season tires stock..... the supra GR comes with performance tires stock... they should have used an SS the insane loss of traction on a 245 radial that should be 280+ is a HUGE problem.
Power / weight, weight distribution ratio=
Toyota GR Supra is the BEAST!!. 💪🏻😎
BMW has done such a great job
That ZF 8 speed auto. Is awesome
Please run the LT1 vs the 392 ScatPack Charger. Should be a phenomenal match up
People keep forgetting that the Supra's are equipped with an 11 year old tire. That tire came out back in 2011....
Supra Won... 4 Times! Camaro is nice but even if you stop the spinning, the Supra was Still pulling away down the track. Supra always impresses me. Great stuff, Sam! Thanks for what you do!
Bmw
The SS1LE would beat the Supra. They raced the low-end base model v8 camaro against the best Supra. There's at least a $10k difference here.
@@Ton-uy1xd Completely wrong! SS1le makes the same power and is heavier than the Lt1.
@@Ton-uy1xd "Low-end base model v8 camaro" @ 455 HP... Against a 382 HP 6 cylinder Toyota? And you're going to complain your car was too cheap?
How much a car costs has nothing to do with HP and performance. The Camaro has approx 75 more HP and about 80 lbs more in torque. And it couldn't quite keep up with the Supra. Yes, I agree there will always be another car that can beat any car. But in this video, I think the comparison was more than justified. And the Supra won... 4 Times! PLUS... the Supra gets 22 mpg city and 30 mpg highway. Your Camaro of choice likely gets about 15 to 20 mpg. Another Supra win! ;)
@@rindordrums That's not true I beat Supra 3.0's all the time on the strip and my SS1LE is the manual. Even when I lose, I still trap higher by 3-5mph. From a dig it comes down to the driver, like just about every other car in this price range.
All that being said, the Supra doesn't stand a chance on the track. See Car & Driver Lightning Lap if you don't believe me.
Edit: you're also totally wrong about the price difference. If you spend the same for a Camaro as the Supra 3.0 GR, You get Magnaride shocks, eLSD and much wider track tires. It all makes a massive difference from a dig.
I own a 2022 Supra and a 2017 Grand Sport Corvette. They are pretty equal in weight and my Vette has 335’s on back. Im pretty sure it would be a good race between those two as my dragy has them at near identical 0-60 times and thats with more wheel spin from the vette. Supra’s are no joke, however i prefer the vette!
Hell yeah brother, good stuff
I’m a c6z type of guy but yes I love vettes too!
@@Danny7930 yeah the c6z is so beast. Prob the best bang for buck car out there.
There is a launch control mode hidden behind the traction control when you hit it twice when in sport mode. It would have helped the Camaro from the dig.
I really like these Canadians.
They just need to understand some things about racing.
Love this channel.
Firm supporter.
Thank you
@@SamCarLegion
Love your style Sam
Thanks for the amazing content!
Those BMW Supra’s are so underrated.
Camaro has 455 frogs 🐸🐸🐸
😂😂😂😂😂😂
You could almost buy a Camaro ZL1 if you apply the price difference
A new zl1 is like 75k lol. One of the cheaper current gen zl1 with 40k miles is like 62k. A brand new 3.0 premium is like 55. Camaro looks badass tho.
@@dufferego87 I guess I should tell my salesman that he sold me my ZL1 for $12k less than he was supposed to. ;-)
@L W February. Of course, the salesman lowballed me on my trade-in, a 2016 SS sedan in pristine condition with only 37k miles on it. Absolutely loved that car, but it was an automatic and I wanted to get back into a manual. While I miss my SS and it was really unique, I'm having fun in my ZL1.
Does the lt1 still have 245 tires? Because it won’t even launch with 275 so there’s no point in doing digs other than to make it look bad
Great job by Supra. BMW makes incredible engines
I'm a chevy guy and expected the camaro to win these races. Boy was I surprised. Good races and nice video.
The problem with us Americans is that we tend to only pay attention to our big v8s and not what imports are engineering in smaller engines. I was very biased at first, then started to like what BMW and Japanese manufacturers were doing. I got me a Supra last year and was absolutely blown away on how quick they are. I only have a DP/ Botti Tune and it walks Hellcats and and my own ZL1..
Impressive win for the Supra! Good take down.
So you running the top of the line car of one mfg and the entry level on the other? Why not a zl1 or an SS 1le? That is like running the 2.0L supra with 255hp against an SS or how about the ZL1 with 650hp. Why all the early gear changes at 4:00? On paper these cars running almost identical times?
The fact that they are running identical times is why it's a good comparison. The SS1LE isn't really any faster in a straight line than the LT1. A ZL1? Yea, that would be like comparing the 2.0 Supra to an SS. The Zl1 makes 650 HP, and the Supra makes about 400. So that would be just as foolish. I agree though about the gear changes, doesn't look like the Camaro owner used the paddle shifters to launch from the optimal rpm on the rolls.
ZL1 wouldn't be fair race for a Stock supra it has over 200hp on it. The 1LE is actually heavier with the 1LE package than a very base LT1 model .Horsepower Doesn't change with 1LE or LT1 its the same. Power for Power and weight for weight this is the fairest race.
How is this not a fair race? The Camaro has 73 more horsepower and 87 more torque. Also a tuned Supra will still walk a ZL1.
@@itzchriz836 to stick with a ZL1 it should but around 600-630 hp on the crank and they even might beat the ZL1 as they are way lighter.
Entry level camaro comes with a 2.0 or v6, not a V8. Would be a good race 2.0 supra vs 2.0 or v6 camaro. That also is not a top of the line bmw 3.0.
I didn’t like the looks at first but it’s definitely grown on me. The GR Supra is a good looking car
LT1 just needs a little more seat time to learn the launch, these two cars are extremely close in magazine tests
Not even sure how you mess up an automatic launch...
@@Dolby109 watch the video again to see how. A RWD V8 is not easy if you’re not used to it, it’s not like launching a GT-R. It doesn’t have launch control or AWD.
@@samholcombe3129 It actually does have launch control.
@@Dolby109 I didn’t know if LT1s had it standard or as option but anyway you can see he hasn’t had much experience launching it, the 1st dig run he went too soft and 2nd run he spun.
Gotta love that Chevy build quality! The dash got more shakes than Michael j fox
The supra has a near 50/50 weight distribution...
My 1le actually has an exact 50/50 ratio tho
Those supras are making some big power!!! Freaking great races though!!!! keep em coming!!!
please make more videos like this. The Supra is a beast, and the gentleman driving it looks so relaxed while the crappy Camaro was shaking and shuttering.
The camaro is a way cooler car. Bigger tires oh and put a blower on it
@@Surefire346 Its actually made in Canada and its a POS. Watch Scotty Kilner...a millionaire car mechanic with a master's degree AND he has more followers. Learn how Toyota ? Lexus makes the most reliable cars around. I drive Lexus ES, ISF and LFA.
@@williammartin4206 that 6.2 can take more abuse than that toyota engine
@@Surefire346 really? watch that Supra that goes to the race track and races and then drives off.
Ask any mechanic about how reliable Toyotas are. My neighbor rebuilds transmissions and guess what kind of brand new truck he owns. He has a daughter....guess what kind of car he bought his daughter?
Consumer Reports (non advertising magazine) ranks reliable cars. I own a Lexus. number one = Lexus.
@@williammartin4206 BMW are built to break. The camaro is a better performance car.
there is something magic about a straight 6 turbo and they always chop NA v8's eg the 2J, RB, BARRA and of course the B58
Somethings off, I raced my boy’s m340i in my SS 1le and had the opposite results. Either way thanks for the vid, Sam!
Check the Supra vs m340i race out, the Supra took the bmw to GAPPLEBEES. They might have the same engine and rated HP but supra is way lighter so that should be self explanatory
..and then you woke up
From a dig, M340i should be better as it has AWD
Toyota tuned the engine
Same here, I’ve raced multiple supras in my old 1LE and it was never anything like this I was always 2-3 cars out ahead from dig and roll. But then again the 1LE tires are alot bigger and once warm the compound grips nicely
The Camaro is so much cooler! The sound of the Camaro is glorious !
Bang for the buck the Camaro is a MONSTER WITH gobs of aftermarket potential
And put them both on a road course and time and time again the Camaro 1LE will come out on top..
What this tells me is that I'm either an amazing driver to beat 2 different A91 Supras with my manual gearbox 21 Camaro SS or the Camaro in this video would do better with a different driver.
Or the Supra guys were asleep 😴
@@SamCarLegion Lol not likely we ran it back several times and the result was the same the only way the Supra won was when it left early.
Of course your races were fair - we were asleep 😂
TH-cam is free to upload- prove me wrong :)
Your SS trim has 275 vs these 245 tires and a lsd so there is a nice difference between it and this lt1 as far as traction goes.
Camaro owner here , ive also ran into a supra before , those lil cars no joke 🔥💯
I think that supra got 382...hp to the wheels or even more.....
The Supra costs nearly twice the price. The LT1 is the cheapest V8 Camaro you can buy.
The Supra with the 3.0 has a base price of and this includes destination, $52,915. Camaro base LT1 including destination is $37k. How’s that twice as much? My math says it’s 40% more. Big difference.
I would love to see the manual versions of these in a race
What's the distance you clock these at
1/2 Mile , One Mile , etc ?
That BMW is pretty FAST 😂
Exactly what it is lol
@@davidwade7681 it is exactly that. Similar to a Lexus ISF being a Yamaha engine / built drive train.
As a 2023 LT1 6MT owner I literally don’t care if a car that costs almost twice as my car is faster😂
That B58 putting down close to 390-400 to the wheels if I guees. The Camaro probbly puts down the same 390-400. Camaro can't win here. The weight will make it lose.
6.0L vs 3.0L
What happened to no replacement for displacement.
Was not expecting that. That supra is a beast. On paper the camaro should have won on a dig and roll. Slightly heavier but quite a bit more hp and torque should've got the job done. Very impressive toyota.
Tires on the Camaro are garbage, Supra's are top notch, that makes a big difference. Buddy needs do to an upgrade
You also have to note the B58 382 hp is more than likely wheel hp. And not hp from the crank. When people dyno those Supra's, they are dynoing above 400 hp and above 400 lb-ft of tq.
was the supra stock ?
I think the Supra short shifted on race 2 and still won😳
I have a 2021 LT1 and my friend has the Supra. All of our runs have been a close battle a 50/50 split, I have cold air induction and custom exhaust now. I should get him every time now. LOL
I would like to see some under hood shots before the races. Makes sure these cars are stock. What's the elevation? Depending on that the Camaro could be down 20-30hp.
is canada so no elevation
All these noobs commenting on here how can a Camaro with 70hp advantage loses to a Supra, they just dont understand 200 weight difference is a huge deal in car races not to mention being turbo charged, Put that 3.0 vs 6.2 or 5.0 NA and see what happens to the Supra lol
If the roll races were started in the right gear, instead of waiting for the downshifts, I think the Camaro would have won.
Thank you I was screaming at the screen saying downshift bruh. The damn car got 10 gears for forsake that damn delay when it drop. Camaro would have won every roll race🤦🏾♂️
I'm just going to point out one thing that is specific to me.. I can not say it's the case for everyone but the cost of the Supra GR is MUCH closer to the cost of a ZL1 Camaro / 1LT Corvette than it is a LT1 Camaro.
I was thinking the same. Like a more fair race is actually against a base model zl1.
But this channel is more about racing whatever its available and overall i like it. The camaro did great keeping up with a car 15k+ more expensive.
Just 2 better tires away from beating it.
The similar performance is why the LT1 and Supra are being compared, not the cost. The Supra is closer to the ZL1 in price, but the ZL1 also makes 650 HP, and is half a second quicker in the quarter mile than the Supra.
That was such a good race Sam. Could you ask the owner of the Supra to dyno it to see how much power it actually makes. Could you also get a 5.0 V8 mustang against the Supra with 10 speed because I think the mustang is slightly faster than the Camaro.
Already had convertible 10 speed it lost
I say get the SS different tune then this one stock
the camaro's are faster than mustangs stock
@@KingZD1 Wrong! Mustang 5.0 is faster!
@@bman1668 Convertibles don’t count. They are way slower.
the Supra has been put on dynos and its definitely underrated
Sam is like to see a manual type R civic vs a elantra N.
And a camaro rs v6 vs a stock Ecoboost mustang or 2.0l accord
The 2.0 accord and the mustang ecoboost will eat the v6 brotha, plenty of races online
@@desioasis2378 they are all tuned in those races. And it's usually the Turbo Camaro vs those other cars that I've seen
@@t-lawsfitness6044 i have a 2.0 accord and ive also ran multiple v6 camaros brotha, its mot even close and thts when i was stock. The 2.0 camaro itself outruns the v6. The v6 sounds good asf with an exhaust but its just upto the par
There is this video in particular, also u can read the comments in the video nd u ll see what i mean
@@desioasis2378 1. Share the link.
2. People would still want to see it imo. The specs are pretty equal
I Grew up closets Toyota. I'm 50. When in 1988 I drove a British racing green to door Camry with the 3 leader V6 with heavy duty swaybar's front and rear that was the best car I've ever driven.
It's a normal car I'd bet one of th3 best
Very surprised the chevrolet was that close to a Supra.
The, ZL1 model Chevrolet will eat that BMW Supra Alive.You do understand that the Corvette is also Chevrolet
Physics is physics. The Supra is underrated. It has to have 450hp.
Don’t they trap around 111-114 mph? That’s not 450hp! No where near in a car that’s not that heavy!
They do however have a great big power band and quick gearbox.
60-130 or 100-200 kph is the best measure of a cars power. It was level with a 455hp Camaro which weighs far more and the power band is not as flat! So there’s no chance it has similar power to the Camaro.
Supra is 100% tuned. The look of the driver says it all. There is no way a stock supra will beat a A10 lt1
Dyno test already proved that the advertised 380hp for the Supra is in fact to the wheels
@@Xdev1lG00D Camaro does 420wwhp
@@trentdaddydolla647 false. Stock is around 390 whp for the lt1
@@Xdev1lG00D And the Supra is lighter.
@@Xdev1lG00D These people are in denial lol!
is that camaro in satin steel metallic?
We should definitely get a 10Spd 5.0 with the drag mode on here to run the Supra to compare. If I wasn’t 3,000+miles away I would bring mine up there 😂
Real question is which one is more affordable?
The used lots at Toyota dealerships now selling Camaros 🤣🤣 pick one up at a good price.
WOW!!!! I'm a long time JDM guy and have been teasesd for years by my domestic car fanboy buddies so this is a HAPPY-DAY for me! I've owned Camaros, Vettes, Celicas, and Zs!!! Never got a Supra under my garage but always wanted one. My Dad's started me with a Celica and his friend had a a Supra. Man I loved that car. Now I'm waiting to see how this new Z is going to land on the market; to make my move between it or the MK5!!!! Awesome video! ✌🏾🖤✊🏾
Not to be an anti jdm dick...but domestics still destroy JDM's in the price to performance category.
Supra face chilling
Camaro face stressing
My unkle just bought one of these for 54 grand, is it worth that? Im a vw guy, but im pretty shure this car is like 45% plastic.? Am i crazy?
This video is a perfect example of how power to weight ratio plays out.
Is the Supra redlining in D? Or manual shifting? Still trying to figure out the optimal shift point on mine lol
That BMW supra is amazing!
Makes sense, for $53,000 I would expect the Supra is slightly faster than the $37,000 Camaro. Supra is a nice car, glad in the 2023 model it'll have a manual trans again.
----------------which in that same race would get smoked by the 10 spd Camaro
BMW 👑 Slowmaro 😢
That wasn’t even a fair race. The LT1 is a v8 with 6cyl suspension and gearing.
Which car is quiter in terms of NVH?
Very evenly matched cars
Did I hear right, dude traded from an Audi RS3 to a Camaro? That's like trading Scarlett Johansson for Amy Schumer. 😂😂😂
It was more like SJ pregnant with 6 babies vs Amy Schumer
Never knew the Supra was so fast
That legendary b58 motor paired to there perfect Zf transmission
@@scottroberts5529 also super light weight
What did you think it was? Like a FRS?