Some of these companies seem to forget that these guns are carried in life or death situations, there’s zero room for failure, glock seems to remember though, and they still get hate for it for not changing designs
POLICE: "Drop your weapon NOW!!" BAD GUY: "OK, but it is a Sig P320!" POLICE: "STOP!!! Whatever you do, DON'T DROP IT! Now, I need you to just gently place it on the ground!"
Edmo130 He has the safety turned off, on the sig. The other guns have a trigger safety. To make things fair you would have to keep the safety on the sig on.
Absolutely.. ..glock will get it done and be there every time and anytime you need it no matter then gen.. I'll continue to carry my glock 19 gen 5... been wanting to check out some sigs but I've seen alot of bad about the p320 ..Maybe it's just the 320 series though 🤷♂️ and I'm sure they'll get that fixed
@@thomasdalton7987my gen 5 spring was done after 2k rounds. New spring has atleast 5k and is fine so I’ll say lemon. But my ruger has never, ever clicked. So I carry it.
@Maniac50AE your argument would make sense if all the othe pistols fired at least once than yeah you would be making sense but so far you're not making sense🤣
@Maniac50AE nah a company made a mistake their is no gotcha in this situation because it already happened and hopefully it won't happen the only gotcha here is to myself because I'm actually looking to buy a sig haha
@Fred Freddy lol what are you trying to say? Are you trying to say he faked it? Bc if so then you are sadly mistaken this is a known problem and has been since 2017. He did not fake this in any way the p320 when it came out which is when the video was made you could strike the rear of the slide and it would fire. Sig had a voluntary recall for this problem on all their p320s made before that certain date. Most people did send them in but every now and then you get one that goes off in a holster or something and injures the person carrying it and they sue sig. It gets settled out of court most of the time and its bc sig didnt want the embarrassment of a total mandatory recall
Watching you hammer your pistols was hurting my soul. I know this is an old video, but thank you for doing it. It actually changed my mind on striker-fired pistols in general.
No gun can hurt you or anyone else it’s not meant to if you fallow basic fire arm common sense safety protocols. Handle all guns as if they’re loaded and never point the barrel at anything you’re not OK destroying.
As a law enforcement officer and firearms instructor for almost 35 years, I can tell you sometimes guns ARE dropped! I enjoyed the video. Stay safe and God bless.
You're forgetting the times when people get knocked on their asses. I read a story about a guy who was tackled to the ground by someone trying to mug him, he fell on his side, the gun went off in the holster, went through his leg, and into the dudes face. They were both lucky to live.
I used to wear a gun, badge, and body armor for a living, I've been a firearms instructor and highly customized many firearms over the last 30 year, yet I have never accidentally dropped any of my guns. However, if I ever do, I would expect them to never fire unless some object depressed the trigger all the way to the rear.
Firearms handling is basically the issue to all of these people concerned about firearms. People dont know how to act anymore and people dont know how to handle their firearms.
I’ve dropped a gun before twice actually one was a glock one was a Ruger my glock was loaded I thought I had put it in my pocket but it wasn’t and dropped from pocket level onto the floor my Ruger wasn’t loaded when I dropped it and not only did I drop it I flung it behind me into my wall I wish I could explain exactly what I was doing at the moment I can’t remember I just know I was probably working on my draw while moving backwards which when I do why dry fire or reload practice at home I keep all mags and ammo out of the room
Holster can fail and drop. Not all but not uncommon. High stress situations create a higher risk of error. Training with firearms involving movement, running, mounting, jumping, climbing can cause you to trip and fall. Dont go around throwing your guns around, but dont disregard the fact that the risk of dropping a firearm is real and not uncommon.
nomikes. Why not? They are all functioning like they should. All trigger blades are doing their job. These guns are tested and proved. The gun you carry isn't the gun you hang on your wall. It's just a tool.
LOL yeah. But the thing is each time you fire a shot, the gun is in way more stress than what that rubber hammer is doing, guaranteed. Only thing he might have damaged hitting it with a rubber mallet is if he accidentally hit the sites which can easily be replaced for cheap.
@@davissonnguyen i find it funny you replied so quick... i was like 8 months he wont ever see it. I was thinking of getting a 320 but i think ill stick with the ol trusty glock. haha
@@davissonnguyen one person said its been multiple reports of holstered 320's going off. This is the first ive heard of it. I think the gun never got fixed and got hit on the back of the slide in the scuffle. but im not expert.
Intentionally dropping a handgun? I haven't, but I've accidentally dropped a Glock once or twice in my holster while I was in the bathroom before, things do happen.
I've dropped my Ruger Lcp once and it scared the shit outta me. It didn't fire, but my cheeks were clenched hard asf. It was like watching the Hindenburg slowly burn, but with a pistol dropping for 1 sec. It had a deep gouges, but I now know it won't fire with the heavy pull trigger.
Thx for this. My first thought was, "who drops guns anyway?!" As a non-daily carrier, your example didnt even cross my mind until you mentioned it. I can imagine what a shitty situation it'd be to have a ND while on the toilet
when you drop your pants to use the restroom your gun and holster can turn upside down causing your gun to fall out of the holster....... Most iwb holsters don't have any firearm retention devices
@@masonjohns208 Yea my Smith and Wesson 642 took a spill like that one day in the street. Good thing no one else was around to see it! I do run a Glock 26 in a Bravo Concealment kydex holster with great retention, but sometimes a gun will slide off a shelf or surface (in my own bathroom, I make like a 3 point check in public bathrooms, lol), so my Glock still stays in the holster, but the whole thing has hit the floor before.
The glock has a firing pin safety. The firing pin only can be released as the trigger is being pulled. As the trigger is being pulled a pin on the trigger bar releases the firing pin safety allowing the gun to fire
The P320 has the same thing. I think the issue people are having is that the trigger only has to be pulled a tiny fraction of an inch to disable that safety, which negates the concept of the long trigger pull in the first place, AND makes it easy for a hard shock to bounce that little safety blade next to the striker enough to let the striker fall without pulling the trigger.
@@2centsbear638 there are plenty of models out there that never had people wondering if the gun will go off without the trigger being pulled. That would probably be MOST pistols. Any part can fail, but this level of risk is unacceptable and far higher than most other modern weapons.
The Glock is stupid dangerous, but it will not go off by itself. You can drop it, bump it shake it, it won't go off and it's super reliable. Sure is ugly though
THANK YOU! Finally!!! Someone was smart enough to say "hey guys, if this was the standard test for all pistols, why not check all pistols from this angle and see if they all do it?" Awesome job confronting this issue. I'm a gun fan boy, and I own a g23 and p320. And they are both great guns. I've been in fights where the gun comes out of the holster somehow, but that's combat, extremely rare situation. That s why I buy holsters w/ adjustable retention. Again great videos. Keep up the awesome work and God bless.
the "Safe Action" on a Glock refers to the gun not being fully cocked until the trigger is pulled. The "take up" when you pull the trigger is actually finishing pulling the striker all the way back before the trigger bar goes flat and drops the striker.
Dude, I love the dropping son analogy. Being a father of an 11 month old, that was one of my biggest fears when he was born. Amazing how human nature and our nurturing insticts kick in.
I've accidentally dropped my Glock 27 only twice and each time the muzzle was pointed at me as the back of the slide struck the ground. My buddy did the same thing with my Glock 29. Luckily it's a Glock. Only pistol I'll trust my life with.
@@brandonbloomer6499 I know you comment is old but I’ve dropped my pistol once. I had to shit really bad and plopped down my pants and (appendix)holster flipped upside down and it hit the ground and made the loudest noise ever. Went home and tighten the retention on it
Never really understood the whole “fanboy” thing. I’m a firearm fanboy. I own Glocks, Sigs, Beretta, Browning, Colts and Smiths. I like em all hammer fired or striker fired
@ABCD ABCD glocks aren't meant to be pieces of art, they're relatively inexpensive firearms, also very reliable, and designed for simplicity of maintenance. perfect for self defence.
thank you for this demonstration. You showed us a real 320 flaw. They should keep recalling them until they can GUARANTEE that it'll be fixed. I personally prefer Glock as well but I respect SIG's contributions to firearm technology. AND THANK YOU FOR STRESSING SAFETY AND COMMON SENSE TO THESE GUYS HERE!!!! CAN'T STRESS THOSE 2 THINGS ENOUGH!
I respectfully believe Sig is getting karma. The initial response from Sig was to release a letter acting like nothing was wrong, the guns were fine, and their shit doesn't stink. Just a few days later, Sig is being sued by a police officer who shot himself in the leg accidentally. Sounds like what happened with Taurus and the community grilled them for over 40 million. Then, finally Sig decides to release an "optional trigger upgrade" instead of issuing a complete recall. Sig deserves the negative criticism for being so arrogant and ignorant.
This is eye opening for me even as an M&P owner, because the general consensus has been that striker pistols are only half cocked, and if there were to ever be an internal failure in the gun, the striker doesn't have enough potential energy stored in it and it would result in a light primer strike. The P320 issue appears to show otherwise.
Glocks are only half cocked. That's how the sticker control devices work, by keeping it from being cocked all the way. If you pull the trigger with the slide off, you can watch the sear pull back. The SW shield is fully cocked.
People shouldn't get so upset. Sig makes some great guns, like the 226, 220, 2022. The 320 clearly has a flaw that needs to be worked out, that's just life.
After seeing this video, I'm getting a glock 19 over the sig 320. That's unacceptable. And no I'm not a glock or sig fanboy this will be my first pistol purchase.
*Gaston Glock invented the term "Voluntary Upgrade" when the DEA proved that pre-1992 Glocks were not drop safe, and Gaston Glock balked at the costs of an actual Safety Recall. Sig was smart to call it a Voluntary Upgrade, because it worked for Glock.*
@@cheeseburgerwalrus499 I'm not sure I'd use the word excellence with either company...but a gun should be safe and neither company has a perfect record.
careful, there's a few videos here of people who shot themselves or others when doing the brass dance. take the burn and keep the gun firm in your hands.
Accidents happen, dude. People have been dropping stuff since forever. Gravity is funny that way. That doesnt mean the P320 is fundamentally flawed. SIG will work the problem and life will go on. But people will still drop stuff, till the end of time.
newdefsys uh yeah, we kind of get that. But the actual point we made with all of the people with the cavalier attitude that "oops, I dropped my gun again. Oh well, accident happened. Not my fault." If you are not in a gun battle at the OK corral or a meteor did not strike your gun and knock it out of your holster, but you then drop it, it was not just an accident! You did something wrong that called you to drop that loaded weapon. If everything we're done right, the gun would not of hit the ground. Clearly that does not change the fact that signature to fix this. That is not the point we are making. But hearing the crying that people are just blowing off dropping loaded firearms is mind-boggling and dangerous.
Yes, agreed that dropping a gun is wrong. And a cavalier attitude towards that act is also wrong. But, I see some cavalierness in your response. You've never dropped a gun, or your son. Thats all fine and well, but I felt you giving the impression that you are incapable of dropping your gun. As if it is beyond you. I beg to differ.
newdefsys no need to beg to differ! I am just as capable of being careless and irresponsible as anyone else dropping a loaded gun. I just still take it seriously enough to where I am serious about safe handling of it. I may very well one day drop a loaded gun. But if I do it will be MY FAULT and no accident. It will be because I did something wrong. I am worried about all the irresponsible gun owners who think it's no big deal to drop a loaded gun. That's careless. And surprising.
The thong you forget to take into account of the weapon getting hit from your hand while either drawing the weapon or while holding onto the weapon. This is where i an scared about a drop test
I understand what your saying don't drop it but that's childish. You've never slipped on ice while hunting when carrying a gun or officers that are in struggles with suspects and guns go flying and get banged around in holsters etc. the p320 doesn't have to be dropped on its own to be fired. An officer was shot in the knee and is suing sig when his duty belt fell off a bench in the locker room and the sig was holstered and it fired. Plus our military will be doing way more than police like jumping out of planes with them. Sig is replacing the triggers so the problem will be addressed but saying just don't drop your gun is an uneducated answer. Just don't get in an 'accident' with your car or slip on the ice. Murphy's law will always prevail. Btw I own 4 glocks and zero sigs.
Soylent Green so dropping a loaded pistol is the same as being in a car wreck? When I guy runs a stop sign and hit another guy in a car, did someone do something wrong? When I pistol is dropped, it is not on purpose. Meaning somebody did something wrong. If everything was done right, it couldn't fall.
Soylent Green and I say that respectfully! No need for everyone to get their feelings hurt. It is so hard to judge tone online and everybody gets all bent out of shape
LegallyArmedAmerica exactly and by the number of people killed per year in firearms accidents obviously they don't do everything right. Accidents happen. Also if you were an officer and had to hop a fence and wrestle with a suspect on black top would you want a gun that may go off? I think the p320 with the fix is way better a gun than any glock because of the chassis system for military but all I'm saying is people saying hay don't have an accident and the gun won't go off is retarded.
Soylent Green we don't denied at the sig needs to be fixed. But let me change this to "accidents happen when people make mistakes". They honestly do. Since dropping a gun is not the right thing to do, then dropping it would be the wrong thing to do. Again, I say this with all due respect. We can agree to disagree respectfully
LegallyArmedAmerica I'm not getting emotional what so ever I have no investment in any brand, I own glocks,1911s CZ's,9mm, .45 etc. my point is it's unacceptable for a gun that's newly designed in the modern day to not have a safety feature in it that's has been around since the 70's. Be like having no seat belts or airbags in a modern car. I really like the p320 especially for the trigger and grip where glocks lacks. Only reason I own glocks is because parts, magazines and accessories are cheap and everywhere. I carry a shield so I have no bias or ego.
This test has nothing to do with Sig winning the Army MHS program. The Army stipulated that each manufacturer, had to submit a modular handgun, that incorporates a frame mounted safety. The civilian model P320 has no frame mounted safety. So therefore, this test has absolutely nothing to do with the MHS Program. It does however, show the effectiveness of the bladed trigger safety. But, in order for this to be an apples to apples comparison, regarding the pistols submitted for the MHS Program, you would need to get your hands on an M17, and one of the Glocks with the frame mounted safeties, specifically made for the Army's MHS Program. Don't get me wrong, it was a very informative test, and shows how safe modern handguns actually are. Thank you for your time, effort, expense, and for beating the shit out of your weapons, just to show us the results. Great video. Earned a new sub.
Antonio Bosque dude, did you read any of the comment? Glock didn’t have a modular answer for the army, they don’t make anything that is actually modular. The price isn’t even a factor here.
Proverbs 13:24 action. Also, I think this demonstration of the firearm or at least if Sig Sauer intention was to "rub it" in Glocks face. Proverbs 16:18 "Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before the fall." But I still love the P320.
Good video Paul. Glad you were willing to "step in it" for the sake of seeing if others can fire like a Sig. You had me till the "no one is going to drop their gun unless ...." or trying to say if you are responsible you'll never drop the gun. Yes, I am afraid accidents do happen even to the best people. Even to the most responsible people out there. Otherwise we'd never have that word. It's nice to think that small accidents have small consequences but sometimes they don't. No one is perfect all the time in everything and YES we have to be extra careful with this tool. I hope you never ever find out that bad things can happen to good people. Just saying, you're a bright good person, and I was just surprised to hear you saying that. I do know it was no accident that I subscribed and clicked on this video. ;-)
John Ramsey I've had a vehicle accident. It didn't just happen. I made a mistake. It was my fault. Accidents happen because people do something they shouldn't. I say this respectfully. Not arguing, my friend!
I can't argue with your statement. It is true. It is also true we can't be careful enough when around our firearms. But, we are humans and it does have flaws in its' thinking sometimes. So I will remain and give you credit for stressing that point. ;-) Thumbs up Paul.
@@skullzies785 I guess there is probably one or two. Then again, look how many people buy Hipoints and they are about as shitty as it gets....but at the very least, would pass a drop test.
Wilcox Tactical Currently have the upgraded P320. The trigger is phenomenal. Better than any Glock or M&P I've shot. Only striker fired gun I've personally shot that has a better trigger is the PPQ.
SIG IS NOT a professionally run company. Sig bribed US generals to violate and circumvent the legally prescribed Federally defined RFP procurement legal process which included a mandatory full spectrum of defined physical testing And let me remind you that the Glock has two other safeties that prevent drop fires. the main one is the striker safety that physically blocks the striker from going forward to hit the primer. The Sig design does NOT have a striker safety that physically blocks the striker from going forward and that is why Sigs are dangerous and unreliable. Sig didn’t want their pistols tested and fail the physical testing. Don continue to be a pollyanna.
@@jimblair6458 Your Sigfanboy belief is is totally disproven by all of the documented case facts. And no other gun maker has had to hide behind diverting their responsibility by blaming holster makers and users. There are hundreds of videos that recorded Sigs discharging on their own including where officers were just walking in after end of shift. I am sure your day is made when you get a Sig lollipop since your mind is never in gear and is devoid of any critical thinking. There is also a TH-cam video where a Sig owner wanted to disprove this design problem that Sig has. He gathered 50 pistols and hammered them on the end of the slide. The results? Every pistol, including cheapie pistols, never fired when hit on the back of the slide EXCEPT for Sigs. Even with heavier striker springs, they still when off when hit on the back of the slide replicating a dropped pistol as well as their lack of a real trigger safety. And the arrogance of Sig is proven as they could have copied the Glock trigger safety that other gun makers have done since the Glock patent expired long ago.
@@ws90ninety The new Sig rifle for special ops is another case where generals are bribed and while all special ops personnel are rejecting it. But obviously you could care less, just as you could care less about how the Sigs shoot off a chambered round while blaming holsters. Thanks for not thinking and being a kindred soul Liberals can ID with. 🤣
I would like to thank you for taking the time and making the effort (and especially for sacrificing the finishes on your firearms) for your informative video. It is one of the best that I've seen addressing the P320 issue from an unbiased perspective.
You must be a super human of some sort that never had a muscle cramp, or adrenaline pumping so hard that your hands turn into mickey mouse gloves. You keep hammering those pistols, it's working for ya. I dropped my pistol, sure glad it was designed to be safe enough to handle HUMAN INTERFACE.
I agree that civilians dropping their loaded pistols is a very rare occurrence. My concern is with LEO's and military personnel using the pistol in the field. In those situations, pistols can be dropped and I'm concerned with what can happen then. That's why this is an issue for me.
Easy to say in controlled, range environment. A copper in a fight, or a Marine surmounting urban terrain, a pistol can get dropped. Holsters can fail, any number of things can happen. I remember seeing a copper's sidearm hit the deck when the metal tray it was laying on in the locker room gave way. This was a serious issue, and I am glad to see SIG resolving it.
If I’m not mistaken, the firing pin on the glock doesn’t even fully align to the chambered round until you begin squeezing the trigger. I feel like that is a stroke of genius in its design. Is it my favorite gun in the world? No. But do I trust it more than the new striker fired Sigs? Yes. 100%. Saying that as a guy who typically caries hammer-fired Sigs.
Never dropped a gun myself but for the service men that have this weapon they are in situations where the dropping of a pistol may arise. That being said I know most won't be in the same situation but we have to protect the men and women who protect us and I think a safe gun in all conditions isn't too much to ask for them. Keep up the great vids
I truly appreciate your side by side demonstration of testing various pistals, and for that thank you. Just keep in mind that you can't compare dropping your Son with dropping your pistol. In a fire fight you might get clipped in the shoulder, arm, or even your trigger hand, and intentionally drop your side arm. That could be very bad if it discharges and the round strikes you or a friendly team member. I this day in time this P320 is absolutely unacceptable.. Especially from a well established German company like Sig Sauer. We all pay for the name and reputation, and I'm sorry the P320 is NOT worthy of the Sig Sauer name.
This man just beat the absolute hell out of an entire pistol collection with a hammer, just to see if he could make a gun malfunction.. that's some dedication. It says something that no other gun failed but the sig.. but we'd never know that but for the dedication of this man.. i do disagree... Sometimes pistols get dropped.. I've dropped mine. Albeit from a short distance lol.. liked to had a heart attack twice before it hit the ground.
It's not the vibration of the trigger by being hit on the sig with an external force, I really believe it's something with the firing pin internals the way they are made within the Sig!
So a couple things going on with the Glock... 1.(Main point) once a Glock has been charged, the striker is actually only 1/4 of its full travel rearward. The pull of the trigger progressively pulls the striker rearward using the crucifix until the ledge falls off the striker at its full possible rear travel. This means if you could somehow get the crucifix to drop early (which is mechanically impossible because of the ledge on the ejector housing), you would get a light primer strike if... 2. The firing pin safety plunger was somehow depressed to its correct depth to allow the pin to go by, and 3. The trigger safety was defeated which allowed the trigger to move rearward with 5.5# of pull to move the bar to actually engage the safety plunger up and into firing position. No amount of beating on the slide could or would ever cause all of these things to happen in concert and fire the tool. I address some of the these points in one of my YT videos on a DIY adjustable Glock trigger. I have a great deal of experience with the inner workings of a Glock so I’m not just armchair quarterbacking here. IME. Good video though!
Hey so I’m a new gun owner and I got Glock 17 I’m scared to carry it chambered not that I’ll pull the trigger accidentally but it firing by malfunctioning is that possible?
@@ittbelitt8409 not likely!!! Even a pull of the trigger would have to have serious effort. There are way too many safeties for an accidental discharge. I always carry chambered! I’m totally at ease with it!!! To fire a striker fired glock, you’re actually fighting a spring that had real good tension and you’d have to have pushed the center trigger safety past the ledge and the you have to pull it far enough to push up on another’s after in the slide that stops the forward movement of the firing pin! IMO it’s one of the safest and easiest to deploy from a live and hot position!
Defense Department: Were looking for a modular handgun to replace the M9. Glock: Here I have two different models of our Glock pistol that fit your modular handgun requirements. Sig: We have a version of our P320 that fits your modular handgun requirements, but if goes off when we drop it, but were offering it for about hundred million less than Glock! *Defense Department looks at Glock* Defense Department: Glock get the fuck out and never come back, your dead to me and an abomination in the eyes of God! *Everyone begins to expose the Sig P320/M17's drop safety problem and the pistol is now seen as unsafe and a joke piece of shit* Defense Department: Meh, it still costs less than Glock and we don't care if it goes off when its dropped and might possibly kill some of our service men, its the few dollar signs less we had to spend that matters! (This is a joke, don't get your panties in a twist!)
I've now been issued both the M17 (Sig) as well as the G19 during my career. The Sig has a better stock trigger and I prefer the grip angle over the Glock. I've never had problems with either platform. Plus, as previously mentioned Sig already fixed the drop issue almost a year ago.
Was thinking the same thing. The trigger safety merely stops the trigger from moving unless depressed. I can't see what hitting it on the back would do to make the trigger travel so far back as to discharge a bullet. In my layman's eyes the question is whether there is a physical block of the firing pin unless the trigger is being pulled. In the SIG obviously not in a dependable way.
If you have it resting on something, the impact is just compressing the frame. If the gun is impacted with the frame suspended in a body-worn holster or by falling into the ground, the inertia of the mechanics inside the gun will be more at rest than the frame itself. This is where things like strikers under spring tension can become unlatched, or absorb the mass of an internal part into a spring as the frame is accelerated with the outside impact, which can produce a recoil with enough force to set a primer off. It's wild that Sig didn't test the basic handling physics of a modern carry weapon.
I love how everyone who gets the Sig 320 to fire is automatically labeled a Glock fanboy. To me, what I have seen from more than one source, is that the Sig 320 has a flaw, guns have been made before with flaws, gun will be made afterwards. Finding it and pointing it out doesn't make it wrong to show it. I won't buy a Sig 320, unless Sig were to fix this issue. I am not a Glock fanboy, carried them in my line of work, don't own one, might someday, but I don't have one at the moment. Not even sure it would be my first gun to buy if I had the choice now. But, Sig needs to step up here.
First I want to say thank you for this video well done and I am now a subscriber to your channel. My issue is this. I served in the Army and did a tour in Iraq. I served with hero's that were my leaders. I also served with boys, boys who barely turned 18. I remember one of these young men bringing in gear after a mission. We had to use a lanyard for all sidearms. This young man is in the motor pool arms full of gear it's loud and he is dragging his Beretta on the ground behind him with an mrap running over the gun. So yes military men and women drop their weapons and things happen. Hand to hand combat happens and it's not pretty. This is a weapon for our armed forces and that is why this is such a terrible defect in a handgun...regardless of the manufacturer. Again thank you for the video and for considering my comment.
T.A. Carter thanks for the feedback! I Do not consider military and law-enforcement normal, every day circumstances. However, if people drop their loaded firearms on a regular basis simply getting in and out of their vehicles and bringing their kids to school, they are irresponsible! Thanks again, my friend.
@@LegallyArmedAmerica That happened to me 1 times and never again. First and only time I ever dropped a loaded gun was when I got out of my car with a Glock 23 in my lap. It didn't fire but I made a mental note to always pay attention to where my gun is. I wasn't even worried about the gun firing when I dropped it. I was worried about scratching the slide up or the night sights busting.
It would be interesting to see a followup on a current P320, and especially, the one with a manual safety. From everything I have seen, there should be no physical way for that to go off if hit, dropped, or by itself if the manual safety is engaged. But who knows?
I was yo ask the same, but I saw There are a similar question here. The military P230 have manual frame safety, Does Anybody knows if the ones with the manual safety on the frame on could approved the Hammer test?
@@anibalperales1008The manual safety only disables the trigger bar so it has no effect on the sear and striker module moving inside the Fire Control Unit from vibration and shock. Sig improved the sear safety flange by adding an additional flange ridge to catch the striker module flange in case it slips past the initial original flange. Colt 1911 has never been drop safe with the hammer resting on the firing pin without the lock being on in the cocked and locked mode. Until the series 80 firing pin block stiffened and complicated the trigger action.
The manual safety disables the trigger/bar so user error regarding poor custom trigger installation or holster or clothing or user interference with the trigger would be improved, but that was assumed to be the problem only part of the time. And would not necessarily resolve the hand hammer strike or solid surface hit to the rear sear housing incidents completely, imho.
this plastic hammer-induced discharge is different phenomenon from the drop discharge. the latter is due to trigger travel. here looks like you've found a different failure of the P320.
You hit the nail on the head. This was barely (if at all) a test of the the trigger safety/drop safety test. The inertia of the whole gun falling and hitting the ground is completely different than hitting the back of it with a hammer.
Thanks for the video. I hate to see this happening to pistols, but 6 years later i was showing our son who is about to go and get his concealed carry license, what to look for in a pistol. For me, this showed me today what a yrigger safety does. Never understood ot before because I thought anything thayltvcould mistakenly pull the trigger would likely still shoot it. Now i know, its for when the gun is dropped. Thanks again for the video.
The terminology is counterintuitive. NO GO implies failed the test, per Army speak. GO implies it succeeded as designed NOT to fire. Thank you for the test. Most of us baby these tools and would never try to torture test them.
And Glocks had similar problems anyway. Glocks fired when dropped with a spin like a Frisbee in DEA testing, and others with the Nassau county PD went full auto when a round was chambered. Why they had the massive six part product "upgrade" back in the 90s. How soon we forget.
I live near sig. they have an outdoor shooting range and almost shot some lady who was driving down the highway near the range . Sig tried saying it wasn’t possible and after an investigation, it was proven the bullet came from sig.
Well stop aiming at the highway and use the target i know moving targets are awesome but the highway is not the place to practice🤣🤣😂🤣 I think its ridiculous that a few lemons turns the whole world sauer 🥁🥁🥁
I really appreciate someone does tests like this. Thank you, great video! However, it might be a good idea to use blanks because the gun won't cycle anyways when the slide is blocked. Just to be safe.
I accidentally brushed my Glock 21 off the table and it fell maybe 5 feet to land on the rear of the slide, almost exactly how that sig landed when it discharged. The Glock has 3 safety. The trigger safety, firing pin safety, and a drop safety. Had it been a sig 320, it probably would’ve blown my face off.
I don't see the trigger move when the P320 fires. Would it be possible to try the test again with the trigger immobilized? Maybe zip tie it forward? It looks like there may be an issue with the firing pin safety not working properly at that angle. It would also be interesting to see if the sear actually released. If you do the test again, pull the trigger after if fires and see if you hear a "click" as the sear releases the firing pin.
Jason Adams , exactly my thought. The trigger safety on all of those guns only prevents the trigger from moving backwards. It is the firing pin block safety that will prevent the firing pin from moving and striking the primer.
So I remember back in the day when a decock (One) caused a P85 to fire... Mandatory recall for all P85's to the MKII slide... Sig needs to mandatory recall...
The p320 isn't under question for going off on a rear impact, but when dropped the trigger can gain enough momentum to actually break the wall and send a round.
They didn't "sell out", they trusted a lobbying group for accurate information - a mistake they won't repeat. They're an INTERNATIONAL company, please tell me why they'd cut their own throat to "corner the market in Illinois?" Please tell me why they'd cut their own throats to make a dollar that will never exist? Tinfoil hats are bad for the brain.
Even though SIG “fixed” this issue The fact that it was ever an issue would make it very hard to ever have complete faith in that fire arm or peace of mind unless I broke it down and truly understood the engineering changes and how it’s just impossible now.
Sig improved the chances the shock vibration on the sear would not allow the shock on the striker to release the striker pin while under spring tension.
Thank you for the review, my wife and i will be staying away from sig untill they address the issue. Its a shame because that was the next gun she was going to get.
The Glock has the best safety because you literally have a block on the fire pin that won’t let the pin drop unless the trigger is pulled even if the sear fails
I remember when Glock fanboys were eating their own over the Gen 4 vs Gen 3. I don't concern myself with the opinions of Glock fanboys. I love Glock, but I hate it's fan base.
Amazing you only hit the Sig with the plastic end of the hammer and the rest with the softer rubber. Not that it made a difference but definitely looked particular in a "non biased" test.
If you listen closely after the echo of the 320 discharging uncommanded, you can hear the yankee marshal in the distance screaming " tHe 320 iS sAfE tO cArRy"
With the Glock, it looks like you're doing more damage to the table lol. And I've heard about the p320 lawsuit which is now kind of believable.. the lawsuits are made by a bunch of police departments from all around the US. But I still love Sig Sauer guns 😁😁😁👍
the fact you got that to fire with a hammer and the gun being stationary is scary. because the intial thought was that the trigger with it's inertia was firing because it didn't have a trigger safety. but if your beating on a gun that's against the table the trigger itself is not getting nearly the amount of inertia from the gun falling on to the ground. since sig says that there guns with the lighter triggers aren't effected (X5 and military variants) Im starting to think that might be bs. also if you ever spent anytime with a weapon other than the range you opinion on dropping guns would change. it happens all time in the military, police and competitive shooting worlds. also if you do this test again buy a bullet puller and take the damn bullet and powder out at least. also pull the trigger after you smack it with the hammer. just to see if the striker may have fell but the drop saftey cuaght the striker. more curiosity on that then anything.
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Some of these companies seem to forget that these guns are carried in life or death situations, there’s zero room for failure, glock seems to remember though, and they still get hate for it for not changing designs
I’d say the same thing about hk. All there pistols are very similar and very reliable.
Glocks are cool.
Glock trigger is not easy for many, but safe for all.
Glock and hk have always been reliable I can't say the same for Ruger and SIG
POLICE: "Drop your weapon NOW!!"
BAD GUY: "OK, but it is a Sig P320!"
POLICE: "STOP!!! Whatever you do, DON'T DROP IT! Now, I need you to just gently place it on the ground!"
Edmo130 He has the safety turned off, on the sig. The other guns have a trigger safety. To make things fair you would have to keep the safety on the sig on.
@@Yuhhh123 That Sig doesn't have a thumb safety, so there's nothing for him to "keep on"
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@@crazyrob4 Sig makes this with and without a safety. The model he has in the video does not.
I’ll stick with Glock, even in 2023.
Absolutely.. ..glock will get it done and be there every time and anytime you need it no matter then gen.. I'll continue to carry my glock 19 gen 5... been wanting to check out some sigs but I've seen alot of bad about the p320 ..Maybe it's just the 320 series though 🤷♂️ and I'm sure they'll get that fixed
@@thomasdalton7987my gen 5 spring was done after 2k rounds. New spring has atleast 5k and is fine so I’ll say lemon. But my ruger has never, ever clicked. So I carry it.
*Guns don't kill people, people kill people.*
*Sig: Hold my beer.*
PK PK lol
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PK PK damn dude that's cold... and I'm not talking about the beer LOL
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I like Sig firearms a lot. That said, in 2017 there's no excuse for any "issued duty pistol" to discharge when dropped at any angle.
Especially a Sig.
@Maniac50AE
That should mean that, if they pass the test, they'll be good to go for any real world whoopsie.
@Maniac50AE your argument would make sense if all the othe pistols fired at least once than yeah you would be making sense but so far you're not making sense🤣
@Maniac50AE keep being mad you're still wrong
@Maniac50AE nah a company made a mistake their is no gotcha in this situation because it already happened and hopefully it won't happen the only gotcha here is to myself because I'm actually looking to buy a sig haha
Hey, you turned the P320 into a "hammer striker". :D
LOL!
i know right
@Fred Freddy lol what are you trying to say? Are you trying to say he faked it? Bc if so then you are sadly mistaken this is a known problem and has been since 2017. He did not fake this in any way the p320 when it came out which is when the video was made you could strike the rear of the slide and it would fire. Sig had a voluntary recall for this problem on all their p320s made before that certain date. Most people did send them in but every now and then you get one that goes off in a holster or something and injures the person carrying it and they sue sig. It gets settled out of court most of the time and its bc sig didnt want the embarrassment of a total mandatory recall
@Fred Freddy i have i watched very close. His finger nvr touches the trigger if thats what you are saying. The gun fired on its own.
@Fred Freddy L + Ratio + get some b!+[#÷s dawg = pwnd
A pistol designed for duty use should be drop safe no matter what.
Fernando Flores agree 100%
True. I dont agree with him on the dropping part.
No gun should fire when struck. NONE!
Reasons why I own an American.
If you drop your weapon you better follow it!!!
"No one has done the tests that I've done".... Clearly, not even Sig bothered to test thoroughly before putting it out
Watching you hammer your pistols was hurting my soul. I know this is an old video, but thank you for doing it. It actually changed my mind on striker-fired pistols in general.
hammers do this sometimes too
No gun can hurt you or anyone else it’s not meant to if you fallow basic fire arm common sense safety protocols. Handle all guns as if they’re loaded and never point the barrel at anything you’re not OK destroying.
Unless you own a sig
@@Dara-ih6jq LMAOOOOOO Not that Sig, if my gun goes off by smacking the back with a hammer I'm over it.
@@Dara-ih6jqso explain how they are going off in holsters
When there is something wrong, it is wrong. There are no excuses, and this is what I heard a lot last week, excuses.
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Sou seguidor do seu canal há anos. Moro em NJ
As a law enforcement officer and firearms instructor for almost 35 years, I can tell you sometimes guns ARE dropped!
I enjoyed the video. Stay safe and God bless.
Yes sir, I have seen at the range many times. Great video but guns do get dropped.
You're a janitor most likely
You're forgetting the times when people get knocked on their asses. I read a story about a guy who was tackled to the ground by someone trying to mug him, he fell on his side, the gun went off in the holster, went through his leg, and into the dudes face. They were both lucky to live.
Joe3006 can testify to that. Thankfully I haven’t had it fire from that as of yet😊
@Joe3006 your a cop eh? Would you order a suspect to drop their Sig 320 or just tell them to let it be?
WOW - I truly felt bad for the abuse given to your collection. Thanks for sharing this study.
I used to wear a gun, badge, and body armor for a living, I've been a firearms instructor and highly customized many firearms over the last 30 year, yet I have never accidentally dropped any of my guns. However, if I ever do, I would expect them to never fire unless some object depressed the trigger all the way to the rear.
Firearms handling is basically the issue to all of these people concerned about firearms. People dont know how to act anymore and people dont know how to handle their firearms.
I’ve dropped a gun before twice actually one was a glock one was a Ruger my glock was loaded I thought I had put it in my pocket but it wasn’t and dropped from pocket level onto the floor my Ruger wasn’t loaded when I dropped it and not only did I drop it I flung it behind me into my wall I wish I could explain exactly what I was doing at the moment I can’t remember I just know I was probably working on my draw while moving backwards which when I do why dry fire or reload practice at home I keep all mags and ammo out of the room
Holster can fail and drop. Not all but not uncommon. High stress situations create a higher risk of error. Training with firearms involving movement, running, mounting, jumping, climbing can cause you to trip and fall. Dont go around throwing your guns around, but dont disregard the fact that the risk of dropping a firearm is real and not uncommon.
Seems like a reasonable expectation.
My hi point doesnt go off when I drop it. Fuck sig if they really dont think this is a problem.
Remind me not to buy a used gun from this guy
nomikes lol!!!
nomikes. Why not? They are all functioning like they should. All trigger blades are doing their job. These guns are tested and proved. The gun you carry isn't the gun you hang on your wall. It's just a tool.
„used gun, slightly beat up, mechanically very safe, cheaper than a new p320, bid now“
LOL yeah. But the thing is each time you fire a shot, the gun is in way more stress than what that rubber hammer is doing, guaranteed. Only thing he might have damaged hitting it with a rubber mallet is if he accidentally hit the sites which can easily be replaced for cheap.
Hell I just used my HK in it's kydex as a hammer punching out the pins on my AR the other day :)
Updated video title: "How to convert your striker-fired Sig to hammer-fired"
I like that someone does demo's like this, but yep, I wince when you beat the nice weapon with a hammer.
It's a rubber mallet 😂
@@t.r.d.z.1630 Twice he said "Wow chewed that ____ up." so rubber or not it wasn't good for it.
@@bailey9r I guarantee the finish was able to be wiped clean
@jumpthenoob those were the sig fanboys
Shit we’ve been using the Glock wrong it’s not a gun it’s a hammer
Love to see an updated test for 2022 to see if this problem still exist. Thank you for taking the time making this and beating up your guns lol.
heres your update. " HOLSTERED SIG P320 discharges during police apprehension"
@@kdcustoms1272 wow anywhere i can read more about this or yt? thanks!
@@davissonnguyen i just seen a video about it, copy and paste it.
@@davissonnguyen i find it funny you replied so quick... i was like 8 months he wont ever see it. I was thinking of getting a 320 but i think ill stick with the ol trusty glock. haha
@@davissonnguyen one person said its been multiple reports of holstered 320's going off. This is the first ive heard of it. I think the gun never got fixed and got hit on the back of the slide in the scuffle. but im not expert.
Intentionally dropping a handgun? I haven't, but I've accidentally dropped a Glock once or twice in my holster while I was in the bathroom before, things do happen.
I've dropped my Ruger Lcp once and it scared the shit outta me. It didn't fire, but my cheeks were clenched hard asf. It was like watching the Hindenburg slowly burn, but with a pistol dropping for 1 sec. It had a deep gouges, but I now know it won't fire with the heavy pull trigger.
Thx for this. My first thought was, "who drops guns anyway?!" As a non-daily carrier, your example didnt even cross my mind until you mentioned it. I can imagine what a shitty situation it'd be to have a ND while on the toilet
when you drop your pants to use the restroom your gun and holster can turn upside down causing your gun to fall out of the holster....... Most iwb holsters don't have any firearm retention devices
@@masonjohns208 Yea my Smith and Wesson 642 took a spill like that one day in the street. Good thing no one else was around to see it! I do run a Glock 26 in a Bravo Concealment kydex holster with great retention, but sometimes a gun will slide off a shelf or surface (in my own bathroom, I make like a 3 point check in public bathrooms, lol), so my Glock still stays in the holster, but the whole thing has hit the floor before.
I know someone who was carrying in sweats and dropped it in a coffee shop. It didn't fire, but he had to find a new place to go for his morning joe!
You should continue beating the shit out of that kimber solo just because it's a kimber solo.
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I love my solo, never once had an issue with it with any ammo I have used
John Salazar bahaha AGREED!!!!
John Salazar 😂
May the Swartz be with you.
This has to be one of the first videos I’ve seen of yours and now you’re still one of my favorite gun tubers! Congrats on the growth!
The glock has a firing pin safety. The firing pin only can be released as the trigger is being pulled. As the trigger is being pulled a pin on the trigger bar releases the firing pin safety allowing the gun to fire
The P320 has the same thing. I think the issue people are having is that the trigger only has to be pulled a tiny fraction of an inch to disable that safety, which negates the concept of the long trigger pull in the first place, AND makes it easy for a hard shock to bounce that little safety blade next to the striker enough to let the striker fall without pulling the trigger.
Any mechanical parts can fail
@@2centsbear638 there are plenty of models out there that never had people wondering if the gun will go off without the trigger being pulled. That would probably be MOST pistols. Any part can fail, but this level of risk is unacceptable and far higher than most other modern weapons.
@@herbderbler1585 Exactly!
The Glock is stupid dangerous, but it will not go off by itself. You can drop it, bump it shake it, it won't go off and it's super reliable. Sure is ugly though
THANK YOU! Finally!!! Someone was smart enough to say "hey guys, if this was the standard test for all pistols, why not check all pistols from this angle and see if they all do it?" Awesome job confronting this issue. I'm a gun fan boy, and I own a g23 and p320. And they are both great guns. I've been in fights where the gun comes out of the holster somehow, but that's combat, extremely rare situation. That s why I buy holsters w/ adjustable retention. Again great videos. Keep up the awesome work and God bless.
L SCOTT thank you sir!
To be thorough, you'd need to drop/strike all guns from every conceivable angle. Not just the one angle which seems to affect the P320.
the "Safe Action" on a Glock refers to the gun not being fully cocked until the trigger is pulled. The "take up" when you pull the trigger is actually finishing pulling the striker all the way back before the trigger bar goes flat and drops the striker.
Regardless of how you feel, this gun will forever be known as the Sig Sauer model Don’tdropit 320/17
It’s not the military versions!
It will. Fact that it’s a military issued is INSANE!!!
@@american236 Small Arms Solutions channel just did a comparison between the M9 and the nee M17. He is not impressed with the M17.
Dude, I love the dropping son analogy. Being a father of an 11 month old, that was one of my biggest fears when he was born. Amazing how human nature and our nurturing insticts kick in.
human instinct did not evolve to prevent dropping pistols
I've accidentally dropped my Glock 27 only twice and each time the muzzle was pointed at me as the back of the slide struck the ground. My buddy did the same thing with my Glock 29. Luckily it's a Glock. Only pistol I'll trust my life with.
Danger Doberman what were you doing to drop it? Not judging, just wondering
Guess dumblefumbles run in packs?
Bruh.. 🤦♂️ you need training wheels lol
@@brandonbloomer6499 I know you comment is old but I’ve dropped my pistol once. I had to shit really bad and plopped down my pants and (appendix)holster flipped upside down and it hit the ground and made the loudest noise ever. Went home and tighten the retention on it
@@santoscortes9656 mistakes happen, specifically while rushing. Understandable
Never really understood the whole “fanboy” thing. I’m a firearm fanboy. I own Glocks, Sigs, Beretta, Browning, Colts and Smiths. I like em all hammer fired or striker fired
Hell yeah
Me too.man.....i don't get it
I love that the Glock doesn't even move. Love my 19
Glocks are trash
@@josephstalin6913 your butt feel better now?
KD Customs yes actually it does
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@ABCD ABCD glocks aren't meant to be pieces of art, they're relatively inexpensive firearms, also very reliable, and designed for simplicity of maintenance. perfect for self defence.
I love this channel.. Keep MAKING em!
Thanks a bunch!
thank you for this demonstration. You showed us a real 320 flaw. They should keep recalling them until they can GUARANTEE that it'll be fixed. I personally prefer Glock as well but I respect SIG's contributions to firearm technology. AND THANK YOU FOR STRESSING SAFETY AND COMMON SENSE TO THESE GUYS HERE!!!! CAN'T STRESS THOSE 2 THINGS ENOUGH!
I respectfully believe Sig is getting karma. The initial response from Sig was to release a letter acting like nothing was wrong, the guns were fine, and their shit doesn't stink. Just a few days later, Sig is being sued by a police officer who shot himself in the leg accidentally. Sounds like what happened with Taurus and the community grilled them for over 40 million. Then, finally Sig decides to release an "optional trigger upgrade" instead of issuing a complete recall. Sig deserves the negative criticism for being so arrogant and ignorant.
TheColosiss sig sewed up
Ignorance fuels this criticism though.
This is eye opening for me even as an M&P owner, because the general consensus has been that striker pistols are only half cocked, and if there were to ever be an internal failure in the gun, the striker doesn't have enough potential energy stored in it and it would result in a light primer strike. The P320 issue appears to show otherwise.
Glocks are only half cocked. That's how the sticker control devices work, by keeping it from being cocked all the way. If you pull the trigger with the slide off, you can watch the sear pull back. The SW shield is fully cocked.
Some striker fired pistols are only partially cocked (such as Glocks). But some are fully cocked (various examples)
People shouldn't get so upset. Sig makes some great guns, like the 226, 220, 2022. The 320 clearly has a flaw that needs to be worked out, that's just life.
After seeing this video, I'm getting a glock 19 over the sig 320. That's unacceptable. And no I'm not a glock or sig fanboy this will be my first pistol purchase.
When your brother in law asks to borrow your sidearm to shoot a yt video.
*Gaston Glock invented the term "Voluntary Upgrade" when the DEA proved that pre-1992 Glocks were not drop safe, and Gaston Glock balked at the costs of an actual Safety Recall. Sig was smart to call it a Voluntary Upgrade, because it worked for Glock.*
Hey someone else remembers this thank you though I was the only one
I've spotted a salty Sig fanboy.
@@cheeseburgerwalrus499 I've spotted about 5,000 douchey Glock fanboys.. 5,001 including you.
@@seth4599 Hey, I praise excellence when I see it. Sig bois claim excellence even when their favorite gun company can't produce a safe firearm.
@@cheeseburgerwalrus499 I'm not sure I'd use the word excellence with either company...but a gun should be safe and neither company has a perfect record.
Aiming down sight can’t hit shit drops the gun “hits the target “ Sig - See See I told you so ..
I dropped my Glock while shooting at the range bc a hot brass ended up flying in the back of my shirt. Glad it wasnt a Sig, 😂
careful, there's a few videos here of people who shot themselves or others when doing the brass dance. take the burn and keep the gun firm in your hands.
Accidents happen, dude. People have been dropping stuff since forever. Gravity is funny that way. That doesnt mean the P320 is fundamentally flawed. SIG will work the problem and life will go on. But people will still drop stuff, till the end of time.
newdefsys uh yeah, we kind of get that. But the actual point we made with all of the people with the cavalier attitude that "oops, I dropped my gun again. Oh well, accident happened. Not my fault." If you are not in a gun battle at the OK corral or a meteor did not strike your gun and knock it out of your holster, but you then drop it, it was not just an accident! You did something wrong that called you to drop that loaded weapon. If everything we're done right, the gun would not of hit the ground. Clearly that does not change the fact that signature to fix this. That is not the point we are making. But hearing the crying that people are just blowing off dropping loaded firearms is mind-boggling and dangerous.
Yes, agreed that dropping a gun is wrong. And a cavalier attitude towards that act is also wrong. But, I see some cavalierness in your response. You've never dropped a gun, or your son. Thats all fine and well, but I felt you giving the impression that you are incapable of dropping your gun. As if it is beyond you. I beg to differ.
newdefsys no need to beg to differ! I am just as capable of being careless and irresponsible as anyone else dropping a loaded gun. I just still take it seriously enough to where I am serious about safe handling of it. I may very well one day drop a loaded gun. But if I do it will be MY FAULT and no accident. It will be because I did something wrong. I am worried about all the irresponsible gun owners who think it's no big deal to drop a loaded gun. That's careless. And surprising.
The thong you forget to take into account of the weapon getting hit from your hand while either drawing the weapon or while holding onto the weapon. This is where i an scared about a drop test
Geez, how about ALL the the GUN'S without unsupported firing pin's? Plenty of them in military and police Service???
I understand what your saying don't drop it but that's childish. You've never slipped on ice while hunting when carrying a gun or officers that are in struggles with suspects and guns go flying and get banged around in holsters etc. the p320 doesn't have to be dropped on its own to be fired. An officer was shot in the knee and is suing sig when his duty belt fell off a bench in the locker room and the sig was holstered and it fired. Plus our military will be doing way more than police like jumping out of planes with them. Sig is replacing the triggers so the problem will be addressed but saying just don't drop your gun is an uneducated answer. Just don't get in an 'accident' with your car or slip on the ice. Murphy's law will always prevail. Btw I own 4 glocks and zero sigs.
Soylent Green so dropping a loaded pistol is the same as being in a car wreck? When I guy runs a stop sign and hit another guy in a car, did someone do something wrong? When I pistol is dropped, it is not on purpose. Meaning somebody did something wrong. If everything was done right, it couldn't fall.
Soylent Green and I say that respectfully! No need for everyone to get their feelings hurt. It is so hard to judge tone online and everybody gets all bent out of shape
LegallyArmedAmerica exactly and by the number of people killed per year in firearms accidents obviously they don't do everything right. Accidents happen. Also if you were an officer and had to hop a fence and wrestle with a suspect on black top would you want a gun that may go off? I think the p320 with the fix is way better a gun than any glock because of the chassis system for military but all I'm saying is people saying hay don't have an accident and the gun won't go off is retarded.
Soylent Green we don't denied at the sig needs to be fixed. But let me change this to "accidents happen when people make mistakes". They honestly do. Since dropping a gun is not the right thing to do, then dropping it would be the wrong thing to do. Again, I say this with all due respect. We can agree to disagree respectfully
LegallyArmedAmerica I'm not getting emotional what so ever I have no investment in any brand, I own glocks,1911s CZ's,9mm, .45 etc. my point is it's unacceptable for a gun that's newly designed in the modern day to not have a safety feature in it that's has been around since the 70's. Be like having no seat belts or airbags in a modern car. I really like the p320 especially for the trigger and grip where glocks lacks. Only reason I own glocks is because parts, magazines and accessories are cheap and everywhere. I carry a shield so I have no bias or ego.
When SIG was denying the dop-fire issue and blaming others, that doesn't equate to being professionals.
This test has nothing to do with Sig winning the Army MHS program. The Army stipulated that each manufacturer, had to submit a modular handgun, that incorporates a frame mounted safety. The civilian model P320 has no frame mounted safety. So therefore, this test has absolutely nothing to do with the MHS Program. It does however, show the effectiveness of the bladed trigger safety. But, in order for this to be an apples to apples comparison, regarding the pistols submitted for the MHS Program, you would need to get your hands on an M17, and one of the Glocks with the frame mounted safeties, specifically made for the Army's MHS Program. Don't get me wrong, it was a very informative test, and shows how safe modern handguns actually are. Thank you for your time, effort, expense, and for beating the shit out of your weapons, just to show us the results. Great video. Earned a new sub.
Watcher 01A thank you sir for your feedback!
Antonio Bosque dude, did you read any of the comment? Glock didn’t have a modular answer for the army, they don’t make anything that is actually modular. The price isn’t even a factor here.
Politics played how they got awarded the contract for military duty handgun.
Great demonstration. I was looking at you beat that pistols and after each hit, I was flinching.
Marc Pascual it's like spanking your kids! Tough love
Proverbs 13:24 action. Also, I think this demonstration of the firearm or at least if Sig Sauer intention was to "rub it" in Glocks face. Proverbs 16:18 "Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before the fall." But I still love the P320.
Poor guns.
Good demonstration of nothing! If the pistol is not free to be pushed forward by the hammer, there is no drop simulation. Fail.
ragrj2009 free to be pushed forward by the hammer? What kind of nonsense are you talking.
However I do agree this was a big waste of gun wear
"Dropping a handgun doesn't just happen, that is someone not paying attention."
Hence why it is such a concern for the Army.
The old saying if you fumble or drop your weapon you already lost the fight is very true.
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Good video Paul. Glad you were willing to "step in it" for the sake of seeing if others can fire like a Sig. You had me till the "no one is going to drop their gun unless ...." or trying to say if you are responsible you'll never drop the gun. Yes, I am afraid accidents do happen even to the best people. Even to the most responsible people out there. Otherwise we'd never have that word. It's nice to think that small accidents have small consequences but sometimes they don't. No one is perfect all the time in everything and YES we have to be extra careful with this tool. I hope you never ever find out that bad things can happen to good people. Just saying, you're a bright good person, and I was just surprised to hear you saying that. I do know it was no accident that I subscribed and clicked on this video. ;-)
John Ramsey I've had a vehicle accident. It didn't just happen. I made a mistake. It was my fault. Accidents happen because people do something they shouldn't. I say this respectfully. Not arguing, my friend!
I can't argue with your statement. It is true. It is also true we can't be careful enough when around our firearms. But, we are humans and it does have flaws in its' thinking sometimes. So I will remain and give you credit for stressing that point. ;-) Thumbs up Paul.
Not to beat a dead horse, but can you try this again with the upgraded P320 to make sure it is indeed safe now? Thank you.
After they took away the nice trigger and replaced it with a shit one, nobody wants the upgraded Sig. That was the feature that sold the gun.
@@wilcoxtactical3716 meh, someone people might
@@skullzies785 I guess there is probably one or two. Then again, look how many people buy Hipoints and they are about as shitty as it gets....but at the very least, would pass a drop test.
Wilcox Tactical Currently have the upgraded P320. The trigger is phenomenal. Better than any Glock or M&P I've shot. Only striker fired gun I've personally shot that has a better trigger is the PPQ.
@@wilcoxtactical3716 I've heard that to but no way its worse then the glock trigger haha
SIG IS NOT a professionally run company. Sig bribed US generals to violate and circumvent the legally prescribed Federally defined RFP procurement legal process which included a mandatory full spectrum of defined physical testing
And let me remind you that the Glock has two other safeties that prevent drop fires. the main one is the striker safety that physically blocks the striker from going forward to hit the primer. The Sig design does NOT have a striker safety that physically blocks the striker from going forward and that is why Sigs are dangerous and unreliable. Sig didn’t want their pistols tested and fail the physical testing. Don continue to be a pollyanna.
That is 100 percent wrong.
@@jimblair6458 Your Sigfanboy belief is is totally disproven by all of the documented case facts. And no other gun maker has had to hide behind diverting their responsibility by blaming holster makers and users. There are hundreds of videos that recorded Sigs discharging on their own including where officers were just walking in after end of shift. I am sure your day is made when you get a Sig lollipop since your mind is never in gear and is devoid of any critical thinking. There is also a TH-cam video where a Sig owner wanted to disprove this design problem that Sig has. He gathered 50 pistols and hammered them on the end of the slide. The results? Every pistol, including cheapie pistols, never fired when hit on the back of the slide EXCEPT for Sigs. Even with heavier striker springs, they still when off when hit on the back of the slide replicating a dropped pistol as well as their lack of a real trigger safety. And the arrogance of Sig is proven as they could have copied the Glock trigger safety that other gun makers have done since the Glock patent expired long ago.
Thank you for the info about those dangerous Sigs.
@@ws90ninety The new Sig rifle for special ops is another case where generals are bribed and while all special ops personnel are rejecting it. But obviously you could care less, just as you could care less about how the Sigs shoot off a chambered round while blaming holsters. Thanks for not thinking and being a kindred soul Liberals can ID with. 🤣
I would like to thank you for taking the time and making the effort (and especially for sacrificing the finishes on your firearms) for your informative video. It is one of the best that I've seen addressing the P320 issue from an unbiased perspective.
jacobsladder56 many thanks, sir
Sorry Mr. Perfect, but guns get dropped ALL.THE.TIME.
T Feltmat lol. Not around here!
Not yet...
Mrgone454 and if I do it's my fault and I did something wrong, not just an accident. Although I'm sure a meteor could knock it out of my hand...
You must be a super human of some sort that never had a muscle cramp, or adrenaline pumping so hard that your hands turn into mickey mouse gloves. You keep hammering those pistols, it's working for ya.
I dropped my pistol, sure glad it was designed to be safe enough to handle HUMAN INTERFACE.
BigSmartArmed glad you had a safe pistol when you dropped yours. I'm not super human but thanks for the compliment
Good on you for conducting an unbiased uniform test using the scientific method. Very thorough.
I agree that civilians dropping their loaded pistols is a very rare occurrence. My concern is with LEO's and military personnel using the pistol in the field. In those situations, pistols can be dropped and I'm concerned with what can happen then. That's why this is an issue for me.
Easy to say in controlled, range environment. A copper in a fight, or a Marine surmounting urban terrain, a pistol can get dropped. Holsters can fail, any number of things can happen. I remember seeing a copper's sidearm hit the deck when the metal tray it was laying on in the locker room gave way. This was a serious issue, and I am glad to see SIG resolving it.
If I’m not mistaken, the firing pin on the glock doesn’t even fully align to the chambered round until you begin squeezing the trigger. I feel like that is a stroke of genius in its design. Is it my favorite gun in the world? No. But do I trust it more than the new striker fired Sigs? Yes. 100%. Saying that as a guy who typically caries hammer-fired Sigs.
Gaston Glock is a genius.
The firing pin block only moves out of the way of the firing pin when the trigger is depressed. And that's not even including the drop safety.
Never dropped a gun myself but for the service men that have this weapon they are in situations where the dropping of a pistol may arise. That being said I know most won't be in the same situation but we have to protect the men and women who protect us and I think a safe gun in all conditions isn't too much to ask for them. Keep up the great vids
Not only servicemen, but police as well, it could easily happen if a suspect tries to fight or tackle a cop.
@@Master_Yoda1990 you're right. I see it in videos all the time
I truly appreciate your side by side demonstration of testing various pistals, and for that thank you. Just keep in mind that you can't compare dropping your Son with dropping your pistol. In a fire fight you might get clipped in the shoulder, arm, or even your trigger hand, and intentionally drop your side arm. That could be very bad if it discharges and the round strikes you or a friendly team member.
I this day in time this P320 is absolutely unacceptable.. Especially from a well established German company like Sig Sauer. We all pay for the name and reputation, and I'm sorry the P320 is NOT worthy of the Sig Sauer name.
The problem was fixed years ago and this pistol is from American Sig which is different from German sig
This man just beat the absolute hell out of an entire pistol collection with a hammer, just to see if he could make a gun malfunction.. that's some dedication. It says something that no other gun failed but the sig.. but we'd never know that but for the dedication of this man.. i do disagree... Sometimes pistols get dropped.. I've dropped mine. Albeit from a short distance lol.. liked to had a heart attack twice before it hit the ground.
I appreciate the dedication to this test so we don't have to.
It's not the vibration of the trigger by being hit on the sig with an external force, I really believe it's something with the firing pin internals the way they are made within the Sig!
So a couple things going on with the Glock... 1.(Main point) once a Glock has been charged, the striker is actually only 1/4 of its full travel rearward. The pull of the trigger progressively pulls the striker rearward using the crucifix until the ledge falls off the striker at its full possible rear travel. This means if you could somehow get the crucifix to drop early (which is mechanically impossible because of the ledge on the ejector housing), you would get a light primer strike if... 2. The firing pin safety plunger was somehow depressed to its correct depth to allow the pin to go by, and 3. The trigger safety was defeated which allowed the trigger to move rearward with 5.5# of pull to move the bar to actually engage the safety plunger up and into firing position. No amount of beating on the slide could or would ever cause all of these things to happen in concert and fire the tool. I address some of the these points in one of my YT videos on a DIY adjustable Glock trigger. I have a great deal of experience with the inner workings of a Glock so I’m not just armchair quarterbacking here. IME. Good video though!
Hey so I’m a new gun owner and I got Glock 17 I’m scared to carry it chambered not that I’ll pull the trigger accidentally but it firing by malfunctioning is that possible?
@@ittbelitt8409 not likely!!! Even a pull of the trigger would have to have serious effort. There are way too many safeties for an accidental discharge. I always carry chambered! I’m totally at ease with it!!! To fire a striker fired glock, you’re actually fighting a spring that had real good tension and you’d have to have pushed the center trigger safety past the ledge and the you have to pull it far enough to push up on another’s after in the slide that stops the forward movement of the firing pin! IMO it’s one of the safest and easiest to deploy from a live and hot position!
Defense Department: Were looking for a modular handgun to replace the M9.
Glock: Here I have two different models of our Glock pistol that fit your modular handgun requirements.
Sig: We have a version of our P320 that fits your modular handgun requirements, but if goes off when we drop it, but were offering it for about hundred million less than Glock!
*Defense Department looks at Glock*
Defense Department: Glock get the fuck out and never come back, your dead to me and an abomination in the eyes of God!
*Everyone begins to expose the Sig P320/M17's drop safety problem and the pistol is now seen as unsafe and a joke piece of shit*
Defense Department: Meh, it still costs less than Glock and we don't care if it goes off when its dropped and might possibly kill some of our service men, its the few dollar signs less we had to spend that matters!
(This is a joke, don't get your panties in a twist!)
Eating your own 🙃 sig fixed this by before this comment was made pelosi 🤣
So true man
M9 better than all of them.
I've now been issued both the M17 (Sig) as well as the G19 during my career. The Sig has a better stock trigger and I prefer the grip angle over the Glock. I've never had problems with either platform. Plus, as previously mentioned Sig already fixed the drop issue almost a year ago.
WRONG: is not a trigger issue... is the safety PIN issue.
Was thinking the same thing. The trigger safety merely stops the trigger from moving unless depressed. I can't see what hitting it on the back would do to make the trigger travel so far back as to discharge a bullet.
In my layman's eyes the question is whether there is a physical block of the firing pin unless the trigger is being pulled. In the SIG obviously not in a dependable way.
I was looking for this comment.
Never thought I’d see James Hetfield teach me about guns
If you have it resting on something, the impact is just compressing the frame. If the gun is impacted with the frame suspended in a body-worn holster or by falling into the ground, the inertia of the mechanics inside the gun will be more at rest than the frame itself. This is where things like strikers under spring tension can become unlatched, or absorb the mass of an internal part into a spring as the frame is accelerated with the outside impact, which can produce a recoil with enough force to set a primer off. It's wild that Sig didn't test the basic handling physics of a modern carry weapon.
James Hetfield is good at teaching about guns!
I love how everyone who gets the Sig 320 to fire is automatically labeled a Glock fanboy. To me, what I have seen from more than one source, is that the Sig 320 has a flaw, guns have been made before with flaws, gun will be made afterwards. Finding it and pointing it out doesn't make it wrong to show it. I won't buy a Sig 320, unless Sig were to fix this issue. I am not a Glock fanboy, carried them in my line of work, don't own one, might someday, but I don't have one at the moment. Not even sure it would be my first gun to buy if I had the choice now. But, Sig needs to step up here.
First I want to say thank you for this video well done and I am now a subscriber to your channel. My issue is this. I served in the Army and did a tour in Iraq. I served with hero's that were my leaders. I also served with boys, boys who barely turned 18. I remember one of these young men bringing in gear after a mission. We had to use a lanyard for all sidearms. This young man is in the motor pool arms full of gear it's loud and he is dragging his Beretta on the ground behind him with an mrap running over the gun. So yes military men and women drop their weapons and things happen. Hand to hand combat happens and it's not pretty. This is a weapon for our armed forces and that is why this is such a terrible defect in a handgun...regardless of the manufacturer. Again thank you for the video and for considering my comment.
T.A. Carter thanks for the feedback! I Do not consider military and law-enforcement normal, every day circumstances. However, if people drop their loaded firearms on a regular basis simply getting in and out of their vehicles and bringing their kids to school, they are irresponsible! Thanks again, my friend.
@@LegallyArmedAmerica That happened to me 1 times and never again. First and only time I ever dropped a loaded gun was when I got out of my car with a Glock 23 in my lap. It didn't fire but I made a mental note to always pay attention to where my gun is.
I wasn't even worried about the gun firing when I dropped it. I was worried about scratching the slide up or the night sights busting.
It would be interesting to see a followup on a current P320, and especially, the one with a manual safety. From everything I have seen, there should be no physical way for that to go off if hit, dropped, or by itself if the manual safety is engaged. But who knows?
Sadly im just going to steer clear, even though I like the overall design of the gun it's not worth the risk
I was yo ask the same, but I saw There are a similar question here. The military P230 have manual frame safety, Does Anybody knows if the ones with the manual safety on the frame on could approved the Hammer test?
@@anibalperales1008The manual safety only disables the trigger bar so it has no effect on the sear and striker module moving inside the Fire Control Unit from vibration and shock. Sig improved the sear safety flange by adding an additional flange ridge to catch the striker module flange in case it slips past the initial original flange. Colt 1911 has never been drop safe with the hammer resting on the firing pin without the lock being on in the cocked and locked mode. Until the series 80 firing pin block stiffened and complicated the trigger action.
The manual safety disables the trigger/bar so user error regarding poor custom trigger installation or holster or clothing or user interference with the trigger would be improved, but that was assumed to be the problem only part of the time. And would not necessarily resolve the hand hammer strike or solid surface hit to the rear sear housing incidents completely, imho.
this plastic hammer-induced discharge is different phenomenon from the drop discharge. the latter is due to trigger travel. here looks like you've found a different failure of the P320.
Squib308 indeed sir
You hit the nail on the head. This was barely (if at all) a test of the the trigger safety/drop safety test. The inertia of the whole gun falling and hitting the ground is completely different than hitting the back of it with a hammer.
This tests the fp block
Exactly. Sorry but this test had nothing to do with the trigger issue Omaha found. So strange that Legally Armed didn't mention this.
Thanks for the video. I hate to see this happening to pistols, but 6 years later i was showing our son who is about to go and get his concealed carry license, what to look for in a pistol. For me, this showed me today what a yrigger safety does. Never understood ot before because I thought anything thayltvcould mistakenly pull the trigger would likely still shoot it. Now i know, its for when the gun is dropped. Thanks again for the video.
Good video, you tested lots of weapons. I’m sure the R&D department for these manufacturers appreciates this type of content.
Watching you beat those poor defenseless weapons hurt my heart.
The terminology is counterintuitive. NO GO implies failed the test, per Army speak. GO implies it succeeded as designed NOT to fire. Thank you for the test. Most of us baby these tools and would never try to torture test them.
The glock has the drop safe pin in the slide that has to come up before the striker can go all the way forward
Pretty much every auto loading pistol has a firing pin safety plunger....
SIG replaced that in P230 with a hinged sear.
@@Banshee365 my point was that he kept playing with the trigger saftey and acting like it was the reason it wouldn't
Someone read their manual! Or you made the mistake of asking a gun dealer where the safety on a Glock is.
“Well sir, glocks have 3 safeties......”
And Glocks had similar problems anyway. Glocks fired when dropped with a spin like a Frisbee in DEA testing, and others with the Nassau county PD went full auto when a round was chambered. Why they had the massive six part product "upgrade" back in the 90s. How soon we forget.
I live near sig. they have an outdoor shooting range and almost shot some lady who was driving down the highway near the range . Sig tried saying it wasn’t possible and after an investigation, it was proven the bullet came from sig.
That’s, not good.
Well stop aiming at the highway and use the target i know moving targets are awesome but the highway is not the place to practice🤣🤣😂🤣 I think its ridiculous that a few lemons turns the whole world sauer 🥁🥁🥁
The ACTUAL part you came here for, starts at 4:14. Ends at 24:00
You're welcome.
I really appreciate someone does tests like this. Thank you, great video!
However, it might be a good idea to use blanks because the gun won't cycle anyways when the slide is blocked. Just to be safe.
This is why I don't like striker fire. Hammers rule.
5yr laters Sig is back to blowing up.
@ 24:28 point and forward I disagree about the dropping of guns.
So many loaded firearms will be dropped. Just imagine being in battle. It could happen. This dude sounds like a wise fool.
I accidentally brushed my Glock 21 off the table and it fell maybe 5 feet to land on the rear of the slide, almost exactly how that sig landed when it discharged. The Glock has 3 safety. The trigger safety, firing pin safety, and a drop safety. Had it been a sig 320, it probably would’ve blown my face off.
It wouldn’t have. This isn’t a drop test it’s a hit the back of the slide as hard as you can with a hammer test. If a p320 fell it wouldn’t fire
Gun doesn't know if it is hit by a hammer, or falls off a table, if it impacts at the same angle.
The rain added nice background noise in all honesty it was relaxing
I don't see the trigger move when the P320 fires. Would it be possible to try the test again with the trigger immobilized? Maybe zip tie it forward? It looks like there may be an issue with the firing pin safety not working properly at that angle. It would also be interesting to see if the sear actually released. If you do the test again, pull the trigger after if fires and see if you hear a "click" as the sear releases the firing pin.
Jason Adams we will do that!
Jason Adams , exactly my thought. The trigger safety on all of those guns only prevents the trigger from moving backwards. It is the firing pin block safety that will prevent the firing pin from moving and striking the primer.
So I remember back in the day when a decock (One) caused a P85 to fire... Mandatory recall for all P85's to the MKII slide... Sig needs to mandatory recall...
The p320 isn't under question for going off on a rear impact, but when dropped the trigger can gain enough momentum to actually break the wall and send a round.
Technically you are correct that it’s not under question because this video shows it can go off on a specific rear impact
How much $ for that beat up P320 i need a cheap doorstop.
With the added bonus of an alarm
ohiobigdipper1 😂
That’s fucking hilarious
At least you'll have heightened awareness to not drop your gun,and mess it up.
Lol.
Looks like Sig has a court settlement on this now. Not sure about the details. Glad i don't own one.
16:13, "Smith & Wesson XD9", LOL!
Wish you did test an M&P though.
Thanks
Springfields are OK, but the company is a sellout.
Look it up.
Nun Yabiz oops! Apologies for misspeaking!
Mississippi Reject yep! I thought about how old I'd be when my wife got pregnant!
Mississippi Reject you too buddy!
They didn't "sell out", they trusted a lobbying group for accurate information - a mistake they won't repeat. They're an INTERNATIONAL company, please tell me why they'd cut their own throat to "corner the market in Illinois?" Please tell me why they'd cut their own throats to make a dollar that will never exist?
Tinfoil hats are bad for the brain.
Crazy to think sig still has all these contracts.
Even though SIG “fixed” this issue The fact that it was ever an issue would make it very hard to ever have complete faith in that fire arm or peace of mind unless I broke it down and truly understood the engineering changes and how it’s just impossible now.
Just don’t hammer the back of it and you’ll be fine .
If that’s too hard than don’t carry your gun with a round in the chamber 👍
@@peterisrael2012lo, they are going off in holsters
Sig improved the chances the shock vibration on the sear would not allow the shock on the striker to release the striker pin while under spring tension.
@@kennethcook3127Possibly from trigger customization improperly installed.
Thank you for the review, my wife and i will be staying away from sig untill they address the issue. Its a shame because that was the next gun she was going to get.
The Glock has the best safety because you literally have a block on the fire pin that won’t let the pin drop unless the trigger is pulled even if the sear fails
I remember when Glock fanboys were eating their own over the Gen 4 vs Gen 3. I don't concern myself with the opinions of Glock fanboys. I love Glock, but I hate it's fan base.
Your beard is disgusting. Gingers are the devil's minions and have no souls.
You love Glock....ok fan boy.
You need to do the test off the table to get the needed g force/recoil to fire. On the table you remove the recoil by striking on a table.
Dropped my 43x at work once, glad it wasnt a sig.
That's unforgivable. It's not even the trigger actuating, either, it's just... firing. Totally disqualified as a serious firearm for any real use.
Christopher Penta no excuses for sig they put out a unseafe gun
Lol you guys are dumb if you drop your loaded guns like it’s nothing
StanceMedia it isnt supposed to go off tho
But thinking about it, I never drop my piece🤣
Amazing you only hit the Sig with the plastic end of the hammer and the rest with the softer rubber. Not that it made a difference but definitely looked particular in a "non biased" test.
If you actually watched the video, he did hit other guns with the plastic end. Not only that, the sig fired after being hit with the rubber end
If you listen closely after the echo of the 320 discharging uncommanded, you can hear the yankee marshal in the distance screaming " tHe 320 iS sAfE tO cArRy"
With the Glock, it looks like you're doing more damage to the table lol. And I've heard about the p320 lawsuit which is now kind of believable.. the lawsuits are made by a bunch of police departments from all around the US. But I still love Sig Sauer guns 😁😁😁👍
You should revisit this with a newer p320 or m17 id be interested in seeing if theyve actually managed to fix it
yeah. Doubt!
Still not fixed
The Army screwed up by choosing Sig P320 as a military side arm.
the fact you got that to fire with a hammer and the gun being stationary is scary. because the intial thought was that the trigger with it's inertia was firing because it didn't have a trigger safety. but if your beating on a gun that's against the table the trigger itself is not getting nearly the amount of inertia from the gun falling on to the ground. since sig says that there guns with the lighter triggers aren't effected (X5 and military variants) Im starting to think that might be bs. also if you ever spent anytime with a weapon other than the range you opinion on dropping guns would change. it happens all time in the military, police and competitive shooting worlds. also if you do this test again buy a bullet puller and take the damn bullet and powder out at least. also pull the trigger after you smack it with the hammer. just to see if the striker may have fell but the drop saftey cuaght the striker. more curiosity on that then anything.