My M&P (4") gave me 1312 fps for the Hornady Custom 155s. A very different velocity than what he did here. 1600+ is insane. In the neighborhood of 900 ft-lbs!! But one could expect gel results to perhaps be quite different at these speeds. Also, it might even be too high of a velocity for these. Although they seem to be able to handle it. Those mushroooms looked somewhat smoother than what normally see. I carry the 155s as well but so far, just the Hornady Custom. I found video from The Gun Dungeon that has Underwood 180 gr and 2 clocked at ~1245, penetrated to 14". Another at 1230 went 16". My Hornady Custom factory 180 gr went 1161 fps. Loads of Bacon video has hand-loads of 180 going just over 1300 and those went about 18-20". Trying to figure out what velocity I want to load 155, 180 & 200 gr at is proving to be no easy task. Brass-life, ruptures, recoil, bullet-performance, feeding reliably...This video was a huge help in knowing how far a person might go.
@@ShastaBean my 180s are at 1300fps from 6@ longslide so are 200gr xtp’s…135 nosler asp screamin round 1550fps…all are at very limit of the brass and primers..I wouldn’t recommend these numbers in anything other than forged steel..
Your slide likely wasn't going into battery because the 40 you fired prior to the 10mm left a carbon ring in the chamber. Ever fire 38's in a 357 revolver then load it with the longer 357's? Same idea. And a bullet shedding a little weight during penetration isn't bullet failure, especially with a non bonded bullet like the xtp. To be fair, that xtp performed exceptionally well considering the impact velocity is at the very upper limits of its threshold
Agreed, if you could get the bullet into 10 fragments that each go 14" then its a huge win. The whole idea of the FBI standard of 100% weight retention is for puny 9mm bullets that ONLY penetrate if they have 100% retention. Bullet retention is moot so long as you have one or more pieces that reach full penetration.
Yeah it's really getting up there. Been trying to get to 1,000 ft-lbs but I think I will need to go to 135gr nosler hollowpoints or roughly 150gr cast lead with a wide metplate.
@@letstalkcaliber704 I like the 135 grain noslers, but at velocities like that I think they’ll be .40 caliber grenades lol. Maybe a light solid copper round?
I'm out here in california in the foot hills of the Sierra Nevada, close to Yosemite. It's nice but will be moving eventually to escape all the ca bs. Thanks for the comment, I've been meaning to make more videos but life gets in the way some times.
I think 800x is discontinued now. I really wanted to try some for max loads. Is there any equivalent or better? I know people like aa9, blue dot, and longshot but from what I read 800x was best for max loads with heavy bullets.
I've definitely found 800x to be magical. It sucks that they've discontinued it because anything I share using 800x is irrelevant for you guys. Only really is valuable for seeing what the bullets do at those velocities. If I remember Blue dot is slower burning so it should be a good substitute with the 200+ gr pills. The others you mentioned are decent but I'm not sure if they're a good substitute or not. I have some blue dot and longshot so I'll start to throw some lead and share my results.
800x was definitely the best juice for 10mm. I used to load the crap out of it. You could push some serious velocities in the 200 grain bullets without showing any pressure signs. It was magical powder. Metered like shit but an exceptional powder. Shame they don’t make it anymore. Longshot would be best for heavy loads. AA9 is best for lighter loads.
Did I not say it in the video? 800x 9.6 gr. Winchester large magnum pistol primers. I developed the load after reading many forums and reloading manuals.
@@letstalkcaliber704 Thanks for the response I heard you say 800x but I had no idea what that was... I do all the old-school powders because I'm old school... 😆... The reason I questioned the velocities is that they are so high... I just ordered my first 10 mm and it is a caliber I have never reloaded for in the past.. Thank you
@@andrewduis1881 no worries. If you have some blue dot laying around it's also pretty excellent in 10mm especially with the larger 180 and 200gr pills. Im using 6in barrel so my velocity's are a little higher than the manuals.
@@letstalkcaliber704 I'm looking at using unique gunpowder... If I need to purchase a different powder I will I've had this donated to me for my father when he passed away about 3 lbs worth... Have to look things over and evaluate whether it's worth buying a newer powder... Either way I'm looking forward to the adventure... Thanks for being a friend and helping me with this new caliber.... Blessing to you and I appreciate your video and wisdom...
I probably need to replace the spring it's about 5 years old and has seen quite a few rounds. Could also just be the kkm barrel is extra tight in the slide. Don't recall having issues with the stock barrel. Either way I'm not particularly concerned because its not a defensive weapon for me.
@@letstalkcaliber704 Exactly. I got a kkm compensator for my G21. It looks polished and feeds well when I "rack it". But I got the Grindhard 111 grain instead of 45super. Which makes the weapon so light now. I haven't even shot it yet. Maybe I'll have to make my first weapon video. Im using the stock recoil spring. They claim 700lbs of energy.
@@fullbloodedchristian9206 looked it up and dam that's 10mm territory. Ya you should shoot it and upload it. I got my gel block for ~$100 on bownells. Definitely worth while to compare results.
Complete bullet failure? I disagree. If a bullet fragments causing it to under-penetrate then the fragmentation is a failure. If you got 14" from the 155 and 18+" with the 180, then you had sufficient penetration and any bullet fragmentation at that point is a bonus. What's better 24" and 100% weight retention or 3 x 60 grain fragments that each penetrate 16"? I'd rather have 3 holes than 3!
They're both substantial. I'd say the 155's are slightly tamer but you'll still need time between shots to get back on target. I've mag dumped them but it's not pretty.
Well if you were going to shoot an elephant it be good to have that penetration and the 40 ball round does that better than the 10mm hp's but you could just as well use a 10mm ball round and be even more effective. Generally if we're not getting over the 2100 fps needed to cause hydrostatic shock you want to choose something that expands the most while still penetrating deeply enough. In that same line of thought some folks recommend ball rounds in 380 for self defense because of its weak penetration.
@@organicmaterialsciencecorp6115 man I should mention don't duplicate this load using any kind of basic powder dropper. 800x is a large flake powder and doesn't drop consistently from powder measures. You might set your powder dropper at 9.6 gr but it might drop anywhere from 8.5 to 11 grs. At this close to the top end that discrepancy could blow a gun up. I hand weigh every round when it comes to 800x. If you had a fine fake or ball powder dropper all day long.
Phooey to the people poo-pooing your video. I found it entertaining & useful. All the clowns giving advice on how to do a video, have no videos themselves. Funny.
I literally said that in the video. Frankly I think it has more to do with the bullet setting depth and the match barrel than the spring. Factory recoil spring with very few rounds has the same issue. I don't have time for re-shoots or to perfect my setup so what you see is what you get. Otherwise video wouldn't have been made at all.
To the shooter.... if you're knocking down your back stop, don't know what springs are in your gun, gotta write on your rounds just to know what you're shooting.... you probably don't need to be doing what your doing..... just sayin.
@@letstalkcaliber704 well played sir, I enjoyed the video and you are resonsible enough to have back stop and annotate the rounds you are shooting all seems good to me. I'm comming back to the states to buy my first 10mm and apreciated this video
You chose an awful tool for testing. Glocks have very loose tolerances. It'e doubtful you'll shoot want moderately to hot rounds with that plastic POS plastic toy.
Not sure what you're talking about. These loads match hot underwood loadings and I've even pushed it a bit further. Gun is doing just fine. Yeah the lower is largely polymer but the upper is solid steel and beefy af. Glocks are no different than anyother striker fired gun out there. They can handle as much pressure as anything else out there because the chamber is what counts for pressure and its steel. Now is a glock the nicest gun out there, no but it's perfectly capable for shooting gel from 6 ft away.
Yeah, because they just came out recently (1985) 🙄 and it was such a massive failure no other company dared to start using plastic on their guns. Rick, I'm a revolver guy. I don't even have plastic stocks on my long guns, but what you said is just ignorant.
@@DeepOwl1073 Sorry, the first with synthetic lower is H&K which are outstanding, preceding Glock by quite a few years. Glocks are excellent. You seem to have a beef with them.
Talking about Caliber. I've never heard of a 40 round. Now if your talking about a .40 caliber then say so. But I wouldn't shoot a 40 S&W in a 10MM. Bad practice to get into. And many Ballisticians like myself don't recomend it. Too many possibilities for things to go wrong. I've been doing this for over 50+ years and even though you can doesn't mean you should.
Good video man. Thanks for putting it up.
Great video!!! I carry my M&P 10mm with the Underwood 155gr XTP, absolutely love this load. Thanks for showing what it does to gel.
Good results on whitetail with em myself…have the 55s and 180s..200gr underwood looks to have noslers in em…hst’s feed best in my specialist or trp..
My M&P (4") gave me 1312 fps for the Hornady Custom 155s. A very different velocity than what he did here. 1600+ is insane. In the neighborhood of 900 ft-lbs!! But one could expect gel results to perhaps be quite different at these speeds. Also, it might even be too high of a velocity for these. Although they seem to be able to handle it. Those mushroooms looked somewhat smoother than what normally see. I carry the 155s as well but so far, just the Hornady Custom.
I found video from The Gun Dungeon that has Underwood 180 gr and 2 clocked at ~1245, penetrated to 14". Another at 1230 went 16".
My Hornady Custom factory 180 gr went 1161 fps.
Loads of Bacon video has hand-loads of 180 going just over 1300 and those went about 18-20".
Trying to figure out what velocity I want to load 155, 180 & 200 gr at is proving to be no easy task. Brass-life, ruptures, recoil, bullet-performance, feeding reliably...This video was a huge help in knowing how far a person might go.
@@ShastaBean my 180s are at 1300fps from 6@ longslide so are 200gr xtp’s…135 nosler asp screamin round 1550fps…all are at very limit of the brass and primers..I wouldn’t recommend these numbers in anything other than forged steel..
@@charlesmullins3238 to clarify, you are doing 200s @ 1300 fps?
@@ShastaBean yes sir…round there. 6” 1911
That 155gr load might be the most nuclear I’ve seen
Ya 800x is pretty magical stuff but you have to hand weigh everything because it doesn't dispense well.
Stuck Case you tube channel, that guy runs 185g hard cast powder coated with 800x about 1550fps
@@timbeatty8031 hey o…I’d like to venture down that road
found a new load 180g xtp and 17g lil gun its moving at 1400+ fps
Your slide likely wasn't going into battery because the 40 you fired prior to the 10mm left a carbon ring in the chamber. Ever fire 38's in a 357 revolver then load it with the longer 357's? Same idea. And a bullet shedding a little weight during penetration isn't bullet failure, especially with a non bonded bullet like the xtp. To be fair, that xtp performed exceptionally well considering the impact velocity is at the very upper limits of its threshold
Nice review. Beautiful orchard.
Great video, I've got the same kkm barrel for mine. Great gun, great ammo.
How are you doing man?
@@AlaskanBallistics I'm doing good, lots of work. I don't have much time for anything else.
One round isn't going to give you a carbon ring. That take more like a 1000's
One problem that I notice is that you are using only one hand instead of both hands. Looks like you are limpwristing it. That's a big powerful gun.
Of course, this only happens with Glock... The Turkey's Opinion has a video of him limp wristing the heck out of the 10mm XDM, with zero malfunctions.
Great testing, thank you.
Did you say the 155 that weighed in the 120 range was a complete bullet failure? I dont see any of those are failures. They all performed very well.
Agreed, if you could get the bullet into 10 fragments that each go 14" then its a huge win. The whole idea of the FBI standard of 100% weight retention is for puny 9mm bullets that ONLY penetrate if they have 100% retention. Bullet retention is moot so long as you have one or more pieces that reach full penetration.
@sj6404 great point I haven't heard before. Makes total sense with the metrics they're using.
That’s awesome man. If my head math is correct that’s almost 900 foot pounds of energy out of the 155gr round. THAT is what 10MM is for haha
Yeah it's really getting up there. Been trying to get to 1,000 ft-lbs but I think I will need to go to 135gr nosler hollowpoints or roughly 150gr cast lead with a wide metplate.
@@letstalkcaliber704 speed is key. Ke=MV^2, weight has a linear relationship with kinetic energy whereas velocity has an exponential relationship!
@@letstalkcaliber704 I like the 135 grain noslers, but at velocities like that I think they’ll be .40 caliber grenades lol. Maybe a light solid copper round?
Took 2 whitetail with the 155s from a 6” trp longslide last yr…
Good information. Thank you
Amazing scenery in the background. Where are you? Decent video btw
I'm out here in california in the foot hills of the Sierra Nevada, close to Yosemite. It's nice but will be moving eventually to escape all the ca bs. Thanks for the comment, I've been meaning to make more videos but life gets in the way some times.
@@letstalkcaliber704 My mother used to live in Arnold :)
27 lbs spring pretty high. Why barrel are you using ?
what powder are you using for these loads? impressive numbers.
800-x. Apparently they don't make it anymore but you can use longshot and blue dot to do similar things.
Seems so peaceful there😍
I think 800x is discontinued now. I really wanted to try some for max loads. Is there any equivalent or better? I know people like aa9, blue dot, and longshot but from what I read 800x was best for max loads with heavy bullets.
I've definitely found 800x to be magical. It sucks that they've discontinued it because anything I share using 800x is irrelevant for you guys. Only really is valuable for seeing what the bullets do at those velocities. If I remember Blue dot is slower burning so it should be a good substitute with the 200+ gr pills. The others you mentioned are decent but I'm not sure if they're a good substitute or not. I have some blue dot and longshot so I'll start to throw some lead and share my results.
800x was definitely the best juice for 10mm. I used to load the crap out of it. You could push some serious velocities in the 200 grain bullets without showing any pressure signs. It was magical powder. Metered like shit but an exceptional powder. Shame they don’t make it anymore.
Longshot would be best for heavy loads. AA9 is best for lighter loads.
@@mikerobinson8734 I finally found some 800x at a pawn shop that had like 10 1lbs cans of it.
I like it too! Great powder for 44 magnum, 40 s&w, and 10 mm.
17g lil gun with an 180g xtp is matching or beating that 1400 fps. some of the most energetic rounds ive fired.
Might be better to use bungee cords to hold down the Crono and Gel Block.
thats real 10mm....
Makes me wish i bought more 800x😢
Congratulations from Brasil
What powder did you use on the 180 xtp and how many grains under that bullet ????
What primer did you use....?? Where did you get your load data ?
Did I not say it in the video? 800x 9.6 gr. Winchester large magnum pistol primers. I developed the load after reading many forums and reloading manuals.
@@letstalkcaliber704 Thanks for the response I heard you say 800x but I had no idea what that was... I do all the old-school powders because I'm old school... 😆... The reason I questioned the velocities is that they are so high... I just ordered my first 10 mm and it is a caliber I have never reloaded for in the past..
Thank you
@@andrewduis1881 no worries. If you have some blue dot laying around it's also pretty excellent in 10mm especially with the larger 180 and 200gr pills. Im using 6in barrel so my velocity's are a little higher than the manuals.
@@letstalkcaliber704 I'm looking at using unique gunpowder... If I need to purchase a different powder I will I've had this donated to me for my father when he passed away about 3 lbs worth... Have to look things over and evaluate whether it's worth buying a newer powder... Either way I'm looking forward to the adventure... Thanks for being a friend and helping me with this new caliber.... Blessing to you and I appreciate your video and wisdom...
Are you in nc/sc area
That is some great performance and velocity, nice just walloped that poor block..lol
May be too heavy of a spring. I don't think its (the slide) is going back far enough with those lighter rounds.
I probably need to replace the spring it's about 5 years old and has seen quite a few rounds. Could also just be the kkm barrel is extra tight in the slide. Don't recall having issues with the stock barrel. Either way I'm not particularly concerned because its not a defensive weapon for me.
@@letstalkcaliber704 Exactly. I got a kkm compensator for my G21. It looks polished and feeds well when I "rack it".
But I got the Grindhard 111 grain instead of 45super. Which makes the weapon so light now. I haven't even shot it yet. Maybe I'll have to make my first weapon video. Im using the stock recoil spring. They claim 700lbs of energy.
@@fullbloodedchristian9206 looked it up and dam that's 10mm territory. Ya you should shoot it and upload it. I got my gel block for ~$100 on bownells. Definitely worth while to compare results.
Complete bullet failure? I disagree. If a bullet fragments causing it to under-penetrate then the fragmentation is a failure. If you got 14" from the 155 and 18+" with the 180, then you had sufficient penetration and any bullet fragmentation at that point is a bonus. What's better 24" and 100% weight retention or 3 x 60 grain fragments that each penetrate 16"? I'd rather have 3 holes than 3!
Velocity is wicked hey fbi now we know you guys can never shoot 10mm it's a beast
22lb recoil spring is where it's at
You should try the underwood 10mm 200gr xtp rds
I totally would if I could get my hands on some.
Is the recoil noticably lighter on the 155's?
They're both substantial. I'd say the 155's are slightly tamer but you'll still need time between shots to get back on target. I've mag dumped them but it's not pretty.
What kind over barrel you you have?
It's a 6in KKM barrel.
Looks like the 180gr is the way to go
Ya thinking so. really curious what some 165 gr hollowpoints will do if I can every get some.
Only for bear. The 155xtp is the juice for 2 legged vermin control.
No problem the escaping Gass will only burn a spot in your barrel/chamber
Looks like the same setup as mine, 6" LWB?
6" KKM barrel.
I'd suggest you get your thoughts together before starting your recording.
So basically just use a .40 with ball ammo if you need to put down something big.
Well if you were going to shoot an elephant it be good to have that penetration and the 40 ball round does that better than the 10mm hp's but you could just as well use a 10mm ball round and be even more effective. Generally if we're not getting over the 2100 fps needed to cause hydrostatic shock you want to choose something that expands the most while still penetrating deeply enough. In that same line of thought some folks recommend ball rounds in 380 for self defense because of its weak penetration.
That burnt powder on the 40cal casing is because of using that Glock...🙄
Do not jerry rig hand loads folks!
2 hands dude 2 hands will help
Maybe you should try two hands on the gun there cowboy... lol
Probably should but only have 1 tripod and the gopro needs that.
@@letstalkcaliber704wear a shirt with a pocket.
Can you list the load data.
It was in the video. 10.8grs of 800x with a 155gr xtp. CCI 300 primers starline brass. 9.6grs of 800x with 180gr xtp.
@@letstalkcaliber704 thank you.
@@organicmaterialsciencecorp6115 man I should mention don't duplicate this load using any kind of basic powder dropper. 800x is a large flake powder and doesn't drop consistently from powder measures. You might set your powder dropper at 9.6 gr but it might drop anywhere from 8.5 to 11 grs. At this close to the top end that discrepancy could blow a gun up. I hand weigh every round when it comes to 800x. If you had a fine fake or ball powder dropper all day long.
Uh. Um uh
This video is confusing. Try some storyboarding before you film. Even videos that seem spontaneous or impromptu are storyboarded when done properly.
The quality of content reflects my time constraints but I hear you. Trying to get better as I go.
10 mm is what they use in the movies 😂
Phooey to the people poo-pooing your video. I found it entertaining & useful. All the clowns giving advice on how to do a video, have no videos themselves. Funny.
Goofball. Gun has problems because of spring. I question his competence . The who whole set up was mickey mouse.
I literally said that in the video. Frankly I think it has more to do with the bullet setting depth and the match barrel than the spring. Factory recoil spring with very few rounds has the same issue. I don't have time for re-shoots or to perfect my setup so what you see is what you get. Otherwise video wouldn't have been made at all.
To the shooter.... if you're knocking down your back stop, don't know what springs are in your gun, gotta write on your rounds just to know what you're shooting.... you probably don't need to be doing what your doing..... just sayin.
Walking around in sandals and sweatpants. Taking myself really serious.
@@letstalkcaliber704 well played sir, I enjoyed the video and you are resonsible enough to have back stop and annotate the rounds you are shooting all seems good to me. I'm comming back to the states to buy my first 10mm and apreciated this video
You had me captivated, right up until you blew your chromo off the table the 1st time. You need some Gorilla tape or something.
I've move on the rachet straps. They've worked much better.
Limp wristing
Hornady xtp is an average hp it's not top tier,try Speer or federalhst
Gold dots blow up if you push them too hard.
Ratchet straps are your friend. And cheap.
The reason you are having problems with your pistol is because it is a Gluck!!!!!!!!!!
Funny, I’ve never had one issue, FTF or FTE, in all 6 of my Glocks. Same with my Sigs and H&K. Do you even own a Glock?
You chose an awful tool for testing. Glocks have very loose tolerances. It'e doubtful you'll shoot want moderately to hot rounds with that plastic POS plastic toy.
Not sure what you're talking about. These loads match hot underwood loadings and I've even pushed it a bit further. Gun is doing just fine. Yeah the lower is largely polymer but the upper is solid steel and beefy af. Glocks are no different than anyother striker fired gun out there. They can handle as much pressure as anything else out there because the chamber is what counts for pressure and its steel. Now is a glock the nicest gun out there, no but it's perfectly capable for shooting gel from 6 ft away.
Yeah, because they just came out recently (1985) 🙄 and it was such a massive failure no other company dared to start using plastic on their guns.
Rick, I'm a revolver guy. I don't even have plastic stocks on my long guns, but what you said is just ignorant.
Glock is no toy. Dependable as hell and accurate. Wouldn't want anybody shooting at me with a Glock, how about you Rick ?
@@DeepOwl1073 Sorry, the first with synthetic lower is H&K which are outstanding, preceding Glock by quite a few years. Glocks are excellent. You seem to have a beef with them.
@@paulhomsy2751 I think you replied to the wrong person. I was sticking up for plastic.
Talking about Caliber. I've never heard of a 40 round. Now if your talking about a .40 caliber then say so. But I wouldn't shoot a 40 S&W in a 10MM. Bad practice to get into. And many Ballisticians like myself don't recomend it. Too many possibilities for things to go wrong. I've been doing this for over 50+ years and even though you can doesn't mean you should.