So I did email this video to Hornady and their customer service department. They said that this Lot number was safe but it ran a little hot. And they were kind enough to send me a Hornady hat!
Thanks for the Shout out brother. I really appreciate it. I think Hornady got 2 confused with 5 on this one. One thang for sure 5 out of 4 people have trouble with fractions.😀
One thing I should let you know with the new batch of 10mm hornady custom hornady has cranked up there velocity and now new 180xtp advertised velocity is 1275fps and 155xtp is advertised 1410fps
A lot of guys were calling Hornady and griping at them to fix their loads. I personally know several dozen people that had correspondence with Hornady, telling them that their loads were to slow for the 10mm and others, and that they were going to stop buying Hornady ammo since if you could always count on it being slower than advertised they couldn't trust their lives to a weaker than advertised round!!!
@@Wildwestwrangler Now this guys should tell Hornady that the 10mm Critical defense and Duty are too weak and not save because they cannot stopp a bear or a robber. :)
i bought packages with the old V0 printed on the package. Is there a method to find out if my packages are old loads or new woth not updated package like the package in this video?
I like to put in a plug for Hornady also there reloading dies, Lock and Load die holders, the reloading equipment, brass, bullets, reloading manuals, everything they make top of the line. It's tough to find a company these days make so many different products with such constant high standard for quality and precision. Don't work for them, not affiliated with them in anyway just a longtime customer who thinks they deserve a pat on the back Puttin out high quality products at fair price. keep up the good work!
Mcgee Laymon thanks I just put a black bear down with mine after shooting with the 7 Mag this past weekend. Thank you for watching! I'll try to get a hold of some 200gr xtp before deer season
I can push the 155gr XTP at 1630 out of the same gun with a kkm barrel AA#9 and Starline brass. That's over 900ft/lbs of energy. Crazy power out of a semi auto pistol.
Nice! I haven't pushed the 155gr xtp that fast , mine are in the 1570s (more recent video on them) They tend to really break apart at that speed though through the pork ribs test.
I carry these in my 4.5 XDM Lucky Gunner did some testing on these and got 1350fps out of a Glock 20 and achieved.68 expansion and 14” average penetration in FBI protocol gel test. With no jacket separation.
I shot mine for the first time today. The G 20 and this ammunition. Very accurate. It is a hot round it has a big bark. I don't understand why people say it's too much for EDC. It has less recoil than my G 21. I'm happy with mine.
@@AlaskanBallistics I liked my G29 with the +2 mag extensions, but when my state passed a 10 round mag limit, I had to use a dremel to undercut the trigger guard to maintain a good grip during rapid fire of proper 10mm rounds. 10 minutes of grinding made a huge difference in handling. Definitely more recoil than the G30 with .45ACP IMO… And of course the 30 gets the benefit of the extension from the 10 round mag length. I think the 10mm feels more like .45 Super.
I know that hollow points aren't bear rounds and definitely not what I carry in the sticks (especially Hornady) but there have been people kill bears with 10mm hollow points. I just ordered some underwood extreme penetrators for my Glock 20 and i bought some underwood 200gr hollow points from my LGS and I got to say that you can tell a difference when shooting underwood ammo than seller and belot or HSM
I run these in my Glock 29 and while I have no chrono I can say they produce a super sonic crack at the range which makes me believe they are moving at least 1200. They have been like this for a while from what I gather.
I like the confused inflection when you read the chronograph after the first few shots. 😂 I took my G40 out hunting this weekend, loaded with Underwood 165gr GoldDot
That's what happens when a huge percentage of your customer base tells you that they have lost faith in your product, because it consistently doesn't do what you advertised. They loaded the lawyers way for a long time, and it was biting their butts!!!
I always liked XTP bullets , that velocity is right up there with the 'old ' FBI round. I would really like to see velocity results from a shorter glock barrel and maybe same ammo but different lot, once I got some factory 357 ammo from a well known co. It was hot , flattened primers , back of trigger guard bit my middle finger but old N Frame could take it . I weighed the powder charge 21.5 gr - called factory they said send it back . They shipped me back two boxes for the one . I pulled a bullet and weighed charge -19.5 gr
@@AlaskanBallistics , no. the hst is bonded. its held up through water jugs, bowling pins , wood, steel doors. and a bunch of other stuff.retaining most of all it weight. at 10mm speeds it surprised me.
@@hk93shooter yeah you gotta have that hefty spring otherwise your extreme spreads will be huge, especially in a glock. Even buffalo bore mentions this on their website. Which I've noticed over the chronograph myself. Even if you did shoot maybe not this load, but anything fairly close to nuclear then you'd find that the spreads are well over 100 fps. The glock just unlocks abit early with super hot loads, but up the spring weight abit and that extreme spread will drop to under 30 with nuke loads.
Wow! No shit! That’s screaming fast bro, way over 700 foot pounds. And like someone else commented, Hornady up’d there velocities on the box to 1275, and they sure felt strong. And I ran some 200 grain Underwood hard casts! Was there a difference, I couldn’t tell. Both really thumpers!
This is the round I took 2 whitetail with with my longslide trp…tryin to handload 10mm to trophy bonded power or buffalo bore and can’t get more than 5gr of cfe without pressure signs..I.e.flat primers..? Small primers until I get large…have cases for both…any thoughts..?..thanks matt in ky
@@AlaskanBallistics Do you run a heavier recoil spring when you shoot these hot rounds? I have a G20SF and I ordered a 20# spring for rounds like these but haven't tried it yet.
@@AlaskanBallistics - I got my G40 upper in today. Put it on after work. I honestly can't feel the difference in weight between this and the G20. They officially spec at 5 oz different (39 vs. 44oz), but I seriously can't tell. I picked up a G40 at a gun show last year just to see how it felt in hand, and it felt like a brick! It was so nose heavy. Not this one though. I'm more used to shooting now, but still, that gun was poorly balanced. Maybe it had a tungsten guide rod or something? The G20 is already big and bulky enough of a gun that I guess the G40 ain't nothing but a thang like a chicken wang.
@@texasbeast239 it's that it's that front heaviness of the G40 that really change the recoil and pushes the gun back down the slide goes forward. I like my heavy G40. But to each their own. I'm glad you found one that was light! Yes a Tungsten guide rod will do that
@@AlaskanBallistics - I've heard that some long slides were produced with thinner steel, just so there wouldn't be so noticeable a difference in weight when converting from standard to long. I know the Glock site actually used to report the G40's weight as the same or even less than the G20's! But not anymore. Now the site definitely lists the G40 as 5 oz more. Is this true? Did they change the design midstream? So which style did I get? It clearly says "Glock 40Gen4 Austria 10mm Auto" on the slide, has the familiar serial number on slide and chamber, has the copper grease inside the upper rails, etc. Whatever. I'm just glad this thing is only the *size* of a boat, but doesn't have the *weight* of one!
I'll bet that's a misprint regarding the velocity. My Hornady 180 grain XTP is listed on the box at 1275 fps. So, I know they can push that 155 grainer much faster. My Underwood 10mm 155 gr XTP is listed on the box at 1500 fps.
Internal organs to me, are more like a closed cavity, hence the closed lids. In no way do I claim this test to be scientific or accurate. It's more just for fun
I have a blue dot load with that bullet that hovers at 1600 FPS. Very potent on WV deer. I have taken 3 deer with it and in that same pistol with a KKM barrel.
Need help gettin my 10mm load ps up there with cfe…200gr xtp’s…can’t get more than 5gr without flat primers…went higher and got worse obviously..7.7gr all I could get under 155ex defenders…civil 60gr run 2400fps and love to try some
Yeah they have you can load it to 1450 in the reloading manual and Underwood has it at 1500. Thanks for watching and the comment. Apparently i got new ammo in an older box. Godspeed!
I would love to see the underwood hornady xtp 155 gr that's rated at 1500 fps out of a shorter barrel than the glock 40 so it would be like 1650 fps or more out of that glock 40
I just saw H-45 .. he had a 220 gr Buf bore hard cast jam his G20 10mm . I said before I want a bullet that will not jam the gun . This may sound off to you all up north .. what about the 200 gr XTP ?? The XTP has a more rounded point & less likely to jam ?? It may be a JHP , I have shot 175 gr Silvertips into thick steel & they made very large holes . I don't see them bouncing off a bear head ( 200 gr XTP ) .. I have never tried ?? Any thoughts on the 200 gr XTP ?? If I didn't trust the 10mm VS bear .. I would likely carry a 7.5" ruger Redhawk with 270 gr JHP or 300 gr XTP or 300 gr cast performance .. with the G20 as a back up . Thanks
Why go with 200gr hardcast from Underwood, the coated stuff. Fed well, went through empty propane bottles and 6 water jugs i think. While an xtp is probably better than most, for big Grizzlies, you want a hardcast or bonded fmj. Flat nose. That 220gr hardcast requires new springs and a fully supported traditional rifling barrel. Wouldn't surprise me to have a jam or two
40 by far... sight radius is better, the longer barrel gets sometimes a significant increase in velocity. And the recoil impulse is much smoother. That heavy slide going forward really tames it. Love the g40. Only a advantage to 20 is the weight in my opinion. Both weigh less than a grizzly on top of you!
I personally just picked up a G20 Gen4. I own a Glock 24 6inch, and while the accuracy is impressive, the extra length makes the gun really impractical for anything other than hunting or plinking. IMO, the G17 and G20 are still Glocks flagships, you'll never have a problem hawking them for close to your purchase price if you ever grow tired of it.
What are best10mm round for woods carry and what 10mm rounds for urban carry that you recommend after all your testings. Gun will be glock 20 gen4. Thanks
Alaskan Ballistics federal as in federal jsp 180 grain jsp vital-shok trophy bonded? And underwood? Which underwood? Hard cast or xtreme penetrator? Which ones out of all the above will have lowest recoil and muzzle rise? And which one will penetrate most on creatures like bears? How about hornady xtp 180 grain for urban carry? Have you tested it? How about 10mm hornady critical duty 175 grain for urban carry? Which ones out of three hornadys including xtp 155 grain will have lowest recoil?
What do you think about smith and wesson 460v that has 5.5 inch barrel that can shoot .460, 454 casull and 45 colt? And would you choose it over say smith and wesson 500 magnum in 6.5 inch for woods carry? I wonder how many shots can one get when a big dangerous animal comes after you?
The only one I've shot is the 4" barrel... it recoils a lot. but it's a good heavy round. You won't get many if any follow up shots from the recoil. better be able to poiint shoot it well enough to hit bear's head
Alaskan Ballistics Alright. Another question. Have you shot Glock 20? Can you tell wherher recoil and muzzle flip of Glock 40 is less than that of Glock 20?
@@AlaskanBallistics I would go to Brownells or Midway and buy a few of them. Start with the heaviest and see if your gun will function with it. If not, work your way down. 800fp is a lot of power for a pistol that is sprung for 5-600. Good luck.
@@AlaskanBallistics very good, Hornady should do the same with other JHP Loads like critical Duty. People who dont want that recoil will buy 40S&W or 9Luger. And Speer should du the same with the GD Load.
Couldn't agree more, meanwhile I'll buy underwood. A gold dot can go too fast and not penetrate. I've got a video on that coming up next week on my 165gr 10mm handloads.
@@AlaskanBallistics since which date is the XTP ammo direct from Hornady a fullpower load? EDIT: Better question: How can i see if the ammo is newer and powerful, how differ the packings of the old and the newser ammo?
@@AlaskanBallistics I appreciate you getting back to me. I can find the Underwood much easier than the Hornady so since it’s faster and less expensive it looks like I’m good to go. Great channel by the way
@@AlaskanBallistics I have a 20 but I’m not sure if that helps or not. I’m going to carry the underwood 155gr for the first 5 rounds and underwood 200gr hardcast for the next 10 for daily carry. We only have black bear around my area but the wife and I are planning an overland trip to Alaska (from MD) in the near future
@@AlaskanBallistics Ok, Hornady mixed old an new packages and old and new loads? Your Package was written as slow and was fast. Is there a method to see on the package if the load is hot or weak?
I’d say the chronograph was reading wrong, 250 FPS more Then the box says, I could maybe see it mite get close to a 100fps more but 250 , unless hornady made a mistake loading them ,
I no it was a smoking round , I think sig messed up on some of there elite v crown a few year back I was getting over 1500fps from the 124gr out of a canik sf elite and I think it’s got a 4.19 in barrel, it happen from ever now and then they over load something
Hello🙋 Sorry for my english, you are measured charge of powder? Could be over charge error manufacturing effect? The speed is rally hight into pistol barrel. ... tank's🙋
But 265 fps faster? That's a lot in a pistol for 1.4 inches of difference. Maybe 100-150 tops... Hornady emailed me bank and let me know that the lot ran hot... Thanks for watching!
@@AlaskanBallistics usually only about 50 or 60 fps faster out of the glock 40 vs the glock 20. General rule of thumb is about 35 fps per inch of added barrel length
I shot a Glock 20 in 10mm here at my local indoor range and people were giving me wierd looks in their other lanes 😂 Guess that wasn't welcoming for newbies at the range.. Oh did I forget to say it's mostly nubes who go to shoot at my range anyways lol
Alaskan Ballistics thank you for putting out amazing content. Btw I've never shot a 44 magnum, nor would I be willing to pay for the expensive ammo, especially here in Canada where everything is 5x as expensive as what you guys pay haha
Anyone who gets pissed off from a loud bang or blast concussion on a range should try a different hobby....if it makes me jump...then it makes me smile
At one of my local ranges the employee put me in the shorter/wider range the first time as a newb. Bigger, more open, less echo, quieter. But when I came back with my 10mm, and every time after, he has put me in the big boy range, with the rifles and shotguns! This one has windows into the shop, so he can watch.
@@AlaskanBallistics If you hit it in ANY vital area. Do you really think a bear's organs are 2ft from the skin? The reality is that almost any caliber will kill a bear if you hit the vitals, and any caliber will be completely ineffective if you don't hit the vitals. You can hit the heart with a 9mm and drop the bear and you can blow right through the gut with a 300 Win Mag and just piss it off. In any self defense situation the single most important factor is shot placement. Besides, if a bear is charging you, the largest vital target available to you will likely be the head anyway.
@@KurNorock bears are considerably thicker and more dense with thicker bones than Ballistics gel and humans. 2ft of penetration in water, gel and such, is going to translate to 12-18" in a bear. The harder the bullet the better the penetration, the more powerful the better the penetration assuming the the bullet design doesn't cause it to fragment. Bears have significantly larger hearts than humans and more adrenaline and blood being pumped throughout the body. A heart shot won't stop it in its tracks. You need a central nervous system hit. As you've said shot placement is key. This were agree on but your round has to do something when placed in the right place.
@@AlaskanBallistics As far as bullets are concerned, flesh is flesh is flesh. That bullet can't tell if it is punching through pig, deer, human, bear, buffalo, or anything else. Bear flesh is not more dense than human or any other flesh. If you get a pound of bear meat it is going to be the same size as a pound of pork. I shot a javelina with a 180gr hollow point from my 10mm. Not only did it shatter the shulderblade, it also traveled down over 8in of the spine and shattered the opposite side hip. All in all it turned about 10 inches of bone into shrapnel. In total the bullet traveled, fully expanded, the entire length of the body of the animal, which was roughly 30in to 36in of total penetration, including that 10in of bone. Granted, a javelina is a fairly small animal, but again, flesh is flesh, bone is bone. Some bone is slightly more dense than other bone, but the differences are minimal at best where high velocity projectiles are concerned. There is no such thing as a bullet proof bone. A 9mm will blow right through a 3in diameter cow femur. No reason to think it wouldn't do the same to a bear. A grizzly bear's heart is not so large that it can shrug off a fist sized hole being blown out the back of it. "Fist sized hole" you ask? yes. Watch this video. th-cam.com/video/QdB8yo085Sw/w-d-xo.html Hell, a bear's heart isn't so large that it can keep functioning even with a bit of jacket fragment through it. Hearts are high pressure pumps. Put a hole in them and they can't build pressure and so they can't function. And yes, some animals can keep on moving when their heart is blown to bits, for a short time. But a lot of animals also drop immediately. The point being, go for the head. Which means that literally ANY hand gun larger than a .22lr is capable of dropping a bear because despite popular belief, no, a grizzly bear does not have a 4in thick "skull plate", and no, your bullet is not going to bounce off of the skull. So in a self defense situation against a charging grizzly, you should be aiming for the head. So why do you need 24 inches of penetration again? You don't. Even if for whatever reason you can't aim for the head, your best bet is to put as many rounds as you can center mass (into the vitals such as the heart and lungs) just like in a self defense situation with a two legged attacker, and in that situation ammo capacity is your friend, not penetration or sheer power. You want as many holes in the bear as fast as you can put them there, because every shot fired is one more chance you hit that spot that drops the bear in its tracks.
@@KurNorock i shot a downed grizzly bear with a glock 19 124gr +p gold dot. Bearly penetrated the skull and did not go into the brain itself. It was a small bear. That bullet gets over 16" of penetration in gel. Yes a charging bear you should shoot in the head. But bullet type matters
I really don't know why anybody in this day and age would buy big box brand ammo it's also watered down especially 10 mil 357 Magnum 44 magnum you got to go to like Underwood Buffalo Bore grizzly double tap I mean we all know the brands but I would never buy this off-the-shelf crap
@@AlaskanBallistics i carry 10 mm now because i bought property in idaho that has a bear issue. If im in bear country my mag is loaded with hard casts. When I’m in town i use 200 gr xtp’s at 1230 ish for the sole reason it will dump most of its energy in the first 4 inches while shattering any bone it encounters turning bone frags into shrapnel. Now that i have 10 mm i turned my glock 22 into a .357 sig as i reload it for the sane price as 9 mm. Its was my edc until i got my glock 29. As a review the 29 sucks until you get the Pearson mag extenders. Now i live it. Took training to be proficient. But that just had me testing loads till i was happy. Ty for the great content!!!!
So I did email this video to Hornady and their customer service department. They said that this Lot number was safe but it ran a little hot. And they were kind enough to send me a Hornady hat!
What gun did Hornady test this ammo in?
They didn't say except that i had a "way longer barrel"
@Nazi TH-cam did you not see it said 1265 not 1410?
For 155, 1200 is typical for .40. Hornady probably just screwed up the boxes. No doubt they usually overstate their cases; this time understated.
They told me they did. They've changed the boxes since
Interesting stats and results. Thanks and be careful. Thumbs up
Houndsman One yeah I'm going to send this to hornady
Surprising results is right. Man o' man I need me a 10mm!!
Thanks for the Shout out brother. I really appreciate it. I think Hornady got 2 confused with 5 on this one. One thang for sure 5 out of 4 people have trouble with fractions.😀
Shootin' with Uncle Dan haha.... Yep probably
Alaskan Ballistics old guy old guy. Just cause I graduated with Abraham Lincoln.😀
One thing I should let you know with the new batch of 10mm hornady custom hornady has cranked up there velocity and now new 180xtp advertised velocity is 1275fps and 155xtp is advertised 1410fps
I noticed that
A lot of guys were calling Hornady and griping at them to fix their loads. I personally know several dozen people that had correspondence with Hornady, telling them that their loads were to slow for the 10mm and others, and that they were going to stop buying Hornady ammo since if you could always count on it being slower than advertised they couldn't trust their lives to a weaker than advertised round!!!
@@Wildwestwrangler Now this guys should tell Hornady that the 10mm Critical defense and Duty are too weak and not save because they cannot stopp a bear or a robber. :)
@Schutti73 I have
i bought packages with the old V0 printed on the package.
Is there a method to find out if my packages are old loads or new woth not updated package like the package in this video?
Very cool. Love Hornady rounds. Thanks for sharing brother!
Yes sir thanks for watching
I like to put in a plug for Hornady also there reloading dies, Lock and Load die holders, the reloading equipment, brass, bullets, reloading manuals, everything they make top of the line. It's tough to find a company these days make so many different products with such constant high standard for quality and precision. Don't work for them, not affiliated with them in anyway just a longtime customer who thinks they deserve a pat on the back Puttin out high quality products at fair price. keep up the good work!
love my G40 i shoot the 200gr xtp hoping to take a deer this year! love the vids
Mcgee Laymon thanks I just put a black bear down with mine after shooting with the 7 Mag this past weekend. Thank you for watching! I'll try to get a hold of some 200gr xtp before deer season
I can push the 155gr XTP at 1630 out of the same gun with a kkm barrel AA#9 and Starline brass. That's over 900ft/lbs of energy. Crazy power out of a semi auto pistol.
Nice! I haven't pushed the 155gr xtp that fast , mine are in the 1570s (more recent video on them)
They tend to really break apart at that speed though through the pork ribs test.
I've had similar hand load results with 800x powder, 6" Lone Wolf barrel, 22 lb recoil spring. Very impressive.
Good vid bro n thanks for the info.
You're welcome.... I've got footage on like 4 or 5 more loads I've just got to edit it...
Great! I'm looking forward to it. Let me know :-)
I carry these in my 4.5 XDM Lucky Gunner did some testing on these and got 1350fps out of a Glock 20 and achieved.68 expansion and 14” average penetration in FBI protocol gel test. With no jacket separation.
Nice. Thanks for the info.
Nice review!
Thank you! I have a shoutout for your channel coming up,but my videos are scheduled mite than a month in advance
Good stuff!
that is moving, very nice
Going to have to get some of that Ammo!
Chuke's Outdoor Adventures Fred Meyers or Cabelas
I shot mine for the first time today. The G 20 and this ammunition. Very accurate. It is a hot round it has a big bark.
I don't understand why people say it's too much for EDC. It has less recoil than my G 21. I'm happy with mine.
I love carrying 10mm ... I would not say less recoil from my g29 compared to my g30, but I've got 700 ft lbs of energy from that little gun
I carry a G29..i also have the RIA TAC in 10mm...want to get the Springfield xdm in 10mm...
@@AlaskanBallistics I liked my G29 with the +2 mag extensions, but when my state passed a 10 round mag limit, I had to use a dremel to undercut the trigger guard to maintain a good grip during rapid fire of proper 10mm rounds. 10 minutes of grinding made a huge difference in handling. Definitely more recoil than the G30 with .45ACP IMO… And of course the 30 gets the benefit of the extension from the 10 round mag length. I think the 10mm feels more like .45 Super.
@@usualsuspect5173 I have the xdm elite compact 10mm osp model, and I love it!!!
I know that hollow points aren't bear rounds and definitely not what I carry in the sticks (especially Hornady) but there have been people kill bears with 10mm hollow points. I just ordered some underwood extreme penetrators for my Glock 20 and i bought some underwood 200gr hollow points from my LGS and I got to say that you can tell a difference when shooting underwood ammo than seller and belot or HSM
Very much so... make sure to check your brass to see if there's any bulge from glock's unsupported chamber.
Awesome video my friend!
Interp66 Thank you sir! Just saw this comment... Sorry
I run these in my Glock 29 and while I have no chrono I can say they produce a super sonic crack at the range which makes me believe they are moving at least 1200. They have been like this for a while from what I gather.
MrEdgy that's awesome!!!
I like the confused inflection when you read the chronograph after the first few shots. 😂
I took my G40 out hunting this weekend, loaded with Underwood 165gr GoldDot
Any luck?
Alaskan Ballistics sadly no. I took a 40yd shot at a hog but it went a little wide. More for next time I guess.
Shooter 1924 it happens
Those are Underwood velocities. I have their stuff using the XTP and they print 1,500 on the box. This is definitely unlike Hornady.
True... surprised me too
That's what happens when a huge percentage of your customer base tells you that they have lost faith in your product, because it consistently doesn't do what you advertised. They loaded the lawyers way for a long time, and it was biting their butts!!!
I always liked XTP bullets , that velocity is right up there with the 'old ' FBI round. I would really like to see velocity results from a shorter glock barrel and maybe same ammo but different lot, once I got some factory 357 ammo from a well known co. It was hot , flattened primers , back of trigger guard bit my middle finger but old N Frame could take it . I weighed the powder charge 21.5 gr - called factory they said send it back . They shipped me back two boxes for the one . I pulled a bullet and weighed charge -19.5 gr
I agree... When i can get together with chuke and his friend, I'm going to do a 40 vs 20 vs 29
Alaskan Ballistics I've almost bought a 10 mm Glock before and 2 are coming up at a local auction - with those magnum velocities it's very tempting
Randy Blackburn do it
i really like hornady stuff. i pull federal hst 180 bullets, and load 9.3 of longshot in 10mm@1400 from a 6 in barrel. you got to love that 10.
That's a nice load. Pretty fast. Does it break the bullet apart?
@@AlaskanBallistics , no. the hst is bonded. its held up through water jugs, bowling pins , wood, steel doors. and a bunch of other stuff.retaining most of all it weight. at 10mm speeds it surprised me.
this is from a g20, storm lake 6in, 24lb spring, ss guidrod. using new brass, cci350 primers. please dont try this from a stock gun.
@@hk93shooter yeah you gotta have that hefty spring otherwise your extreme spreads will be huge, especially in a glock. Even buffalo bore mentions this on their website. Which I've noticed over the chronograph myself. Even if you did shoot maybe not this load, but anything fairly close to nuclear then you'd find that the spreads are well over 100 fps. The glock just unlocks abit early with super hot loads, but up the spring weight abit and that extreme spread will drop to under 30 with nuke loads.
Wow! No shit! That’s screaming fast bro, way over 700 foot pounds. And like someone else commented, Hornady up’d there velocities on the box to 1275, and they sure felt strong. And I ran some 200 grain Underwood hard casts! Was there a difference, I couldn’t tell. Both really thumpers!
Yeah the 200gr hardcast from Underwood is my main defensive load
That's over 800ft lbs
This is the ammo I carry in my 10mm.
This is the round I took 2 whitetail with with my longslide trp…tryin to handload 10mm to trophy bonded power or buffalo bore and can’t get more than 5gr of cfe without pressure signs..I.e.flat primers..? Small primers until I get large…have cases for both…any thoughts..?..thanks matt in ky
Try the humidity load data for blue dot. I have a much more recent video on it
It being Alaska, what did the watermelon cost you? Just curious.
Glad our bears are on the small side down here. 10mm works just fine for me.
6-7 bucks for the small size "personal size"
14.99 for a large one
Occasionally you can catch the small ones on sale 2 for 6 bucks
Badass. Just got a box of these for my G20.
Awesome the Underwood 155gr xtp goes even faster.
@@AlaskanBallistics Do you run a heavier recoil spring when you shoot these hot rounds? I have a G20SF and I ordered a 20# spring for rounds like these but haven't tried it yet.
@@UziNineMillomeetah in the 29 yes. In my 40 i have a kkm barrel
@@UziNineMillomeetah you need a 22 or 24 lb spring for these loads. 20lbs is abit light if you're going to shoot a lot of them
Those are some brave boo-lets.
I wouldn't wanna go 5mph faster on a bicycle in those temperatures.❄🚴❄
And that was a warmer day than usual
Lot of power in that, it would hurt for sure
Just ordered a G40 upper to convert my G20 for the field. Looking forward to trying it out. #Options
Nice! I think you'll love it. So much smoother
@@AlaskanBallistics - I got my G40 upper in today. Put it on after work. I honestly can't feel the difference in weight between this and the G20. They officially spec at 5 oz different (39 vs. 44oz), but I seriously can't tell.
I picked up a G40 at a gun show last year just to see how it felt in hand, and it felt like a brick! It was so nose heavy. Not this one though. I'm more used to shooting now, but still, that gun was poorly balanced. Maybe it had a tungsten guide rod or something?
The G20 is already big and bulky enough of a gun that I guess the G40 ain't nothing but a thang like a chicken wang.
@@texasbeast239 it's that it's that front heaviness of the G40 that really change the recoil and pushes the gun back down the slide goes forward. I like my heavy G40. But to each their own. I'm glad you found one that was light! Yes a Tungsten guide rod will do that
@@AlaskanBallistics - I've heard that some long slides were produced with thinner steel, just so there wouldn't be so noticeable a difference in weight when converting from standard to long. I know the Glock site actually used to report the G40's weight as the same or even less than the G20's! But not anymore. Now the site definitely lists the G40 as 5 oz more. Is this true? Did they change the design midstream? So which style did I get? It clearly says "Glock 40Gen4 Austria 10mm Auto" on the slide, has the familiar serial number on slide and chamber, has the copper grease inside the upper rails, etc.
Whatever. I'm just glad this thing is only the *size* of a boat, but doesn't have the *weight* of one!
1:32 "15-15?!!"
I just LOVE that honest expression of surprise. 😁
It's like when a sports bra comes off and the girls come out to play...
Lol i didn't expect hornady to be so far above the box.
I'll bet that's a misprint regarding the velocity. My Hornady 180 grain XTP is listed on the box at 1275 fps. So, I know they can push that 155 grainer much faster. My Underwood 10mm 155 gr XTP is listed on the box at 1500 fps.
Yeah they changed it to 1465 in late boxes
Please Chuck, do a test with the lids from the jugs on for one shot, then OFF for one shot. It's a dramatic difference in penetration sir
jimhans1 okay but I'll have to start a patreon to afford all the ammo and water! Lol
Thanks for the advice. Much appreciated. God Bless
Alaskan Ballistics lol.
Internal organs to me, are more like a closed cavity, hence the closed lids. In no way do I claim this test to be scientific or accurate. It's more just for fun
I have a blue dot load with that bullet that hovers at 1600 FPS. Very potent on WV deer. I have taken 3 deer with it and in that same pistol with a KKM barrel.
Which is why i have a kkm now and use the Underwood load 155gr which gets about 1610 fps
Need help gettin my 10mm load ps up there with cfe…200gr xtp’s…can’t get more than 5gr without flat primers…went higher and got worse obviously..7.7gr all I could get under 155ex defenders…civil 60gr run 2400fps and love to try some
@@charlesmullins3238 try some slower powders
Longshot
AA9
Blue Dot
800x
True Blue
@@stuckcase7775 thanks man I was thinkin backwards lol
I only use AA#9, powerpistol and bluedot. Prefer blue dot
This is now loaded to 1410 FPS on hornady’s website
Yeah they have you can load it to 1450 in the reloading manual and Underwood has it at 1500.
Thanks for watching and the comment.
Apparently i got new ammo in an older box.
Godspeed!
I would love to see the underwood hornady xtp 155 gr that's rated at 1500 fps out of a shorter barrel than the glock 40 so it would be like 1650 fps or more out of that glock 40
I've already done that video a while back. All 3 glock's... 29, 20, 40
I just saw H-45 .. he had a 220 gr Buf bore hard cast jam his G20 10mm . I said before I want a bullet that will not jam the gun . This may sound off to you all up north .. what about the 200 gr XTP ?? The XTP has a more rounded point & less likely to jam ?? It may be a JHP , I have shot 175 gr Silvertips into thick steel & they made very large holes . I don't see them bouncing off a bear head ( 200 gr XTP ) .. I have never tried ?? Any thoughts on the 200 gr XTP ?? If I didn't trust the 10mm VS bear .. I would likely carry a 7.5" ruger Redhawk with 270 gr JHP or 300 gr XTP or 300 gr cast performance .. with the G20 as a back up . Thanks
Why go with 200gr hardcast from Underwood, the coated stuff. Fed well, went through empty propane bottles and 6 water jugs i think.
While an xtp is probably better than most, for big Grizzlies, you want a hardcast or bonded fmj. Flat nose.
That 220gr hardcast requires new springs and a fully supported traditional rifling barrel. Wouldn't surprise me to have a jam or two
Any idea of the end weight of the lead core and jacket?
Benjamin Henry no sir I'd imagine it's about 75% or greater as the eyes some fragments but not a lot...
I’m looking to buy the Glock I just can’t decide between the 20 or the 40 I know you shot both which one do you prefer.
40 by far... sight radius is better, the longer barrel gets sometimes a significant increase in velocity. And the recoil impulse is much smoother. That heavy slide going forward really tames it. Love the g40.
Only a advantage to 20 is the weight in my opinion. Both weigh less than a grizzly on top of you!
get the 40 with a KKM 7 in barrel!
Glock 40 can run a Glock 20 slide but the 20 cannot run the 40 slide
I personally just picked up a G20 Gen4. I own a Glock 24 6inch, and while the accuracy is impressive, the extra length makes the gun really impractical for anything other than hunting or plinking. IMO, the G17 and G20 are still Glocks flagships, you'll never have a problem hawking them for close to your purchase price if you ever grow tired of it.
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What are best10mm round for woods carry and what 10mm rounds for urban carry that you recommend after all your testings. Gun will be glock 20 gen4. Thanks
Woods = federal jsp and Underwood
Urban 155gr xtp like these in this video.
Alaskan Ballistics federal as in federal jsp 180 grain jsp vital-shok trophy bonded?
And underwood? Which underwood? Hard cast or xtreme penetrator?
Which ones out of all the above will have lowest recoil and muzzle rise?
And which one will penetrate most on creatures like bears?
How about hornady xtp 180 grain for urban carry? Have you tested it? How about 10mm hornady critical duty 175 grain for urban carry? Which ones out of three hornadys including xtp 155 grain will have lowest recoil?
Lowest recoil would probably be the critical duty.
Yes i have videos on all these except the Underwood hardcast.
Underwood xtreme Penetrators
Alaskan Ballistics well you did not answer all questions. Have you tested federal jsp on bear skulls?
No i don't have any bear skulls
Holy crap!
Mike Treen yeah it's moving...
That makes a 41 mag look like a 38+P!! I might have to get a 10mm!
What do you think about smith and wesson 460v that has 5.5 inch barrel that can shoot .460, 454 casull and 45 colt? And would you choose it over say smith and wesson 500 magnum in 6.5 inch for woods carry? I wonder how many shots can one get when a big dangerous animal comes after you?
The only one I've shot is the 4" barrel... it recoils a lot. but it's a good heavy round. You won't get many if any follow up shots from the recoil. better be able to poiint shoot it well enough to hit bear's head
Alaskan Ballistics Alright. Another question. Have you shot Glock 20? Can you tell wherher recoil and muzzle flip of Glock 40 is less than that of Glock 20?
@@xyzsing4038 I've shot chuke's a few times... muzzle flip is definitely worth the money for the g40...
Alaskan Ballistics come on dude. Please answer the other question if you felt less recoil in glock 40 vs glock 20?
@@xyzsing4038 I'm pretty sure muzzlee flip covers that... less muzzle flip =
less felt recoil most of the time
I would try a heavier recoil spring for that round!
I plan on it! Do you have a suggestion of which one?
@@AlaskanBallistics
I would go to Brownells or Midway and buy a few of them. Start with the heaviest and see if your gun will function with it. If not, work your way down. 800fp is a lot of power for a pistol that is sprung for 5-600. Good luck.
Thank you
What shooting range you at? Is it the range on Maud by palmer?
No sir up in the gravel pit at sutton
Is it better there? Cause id like a spot where there is more space between shooters.
On the Hornady WEbsite there stands 1410 fps for the 155 grn Load.
Is the load from 2018 weaker and Hornady had reacted to the critics of the user?
They definitely reacted to 10mm fans and not my video lol. But yes they told me they'd changed it.
@@AlaskanBallistics very good, Hornady should do the same with other JHP Loads like critical Duty.
People who dont want that recoil will buy 40S&W or 9Luger.
And Speer should du the same with the GD Load.
Couldn't agree more, meanwhile I'll buy underwood. A gold dot can go too fast and not penetrate. I've got a video on that coming up next week on my 165gr 10mm handloads.
@@AlaskanBallistics Underwood don't deliver to europe. I think its not CIPed and the export ist to complicated for such small companies.
@@AlaskanBallistics since which date is the XTP ammo direct from Hornady a fullpower load?
EDIT: Better question: How can i see if the ammo is newer and powerful, how differ the packings of the old and the newser ammo?
How’s do the Underwood 155 xtp rounds compare to the Hornady?
Significantly faster... I've got a video on them somewhere in my glock 29 vs 20 vs 40 playlist
@@AlaskanBallistics I appreciate you getting back to me. I can find the Underwood much easier than the Hornady so since it’s faster and less expensive it looks like I’m good to go. Great channel by the way
Thank you... in a long barrel like the g40 it will fragment and under penetrate.
@@AlaskanBallistics I have a 20 but I’m not sure if that helps or not. I’m going to carry the underwood 155gr for the first 5 rounds and underwood 200gr hardcast for the next 10 for daily carry. We only have black bear around my area but the wife and I are planning an overland trip to Alaska (from MD) in the near future
Yeah in Alaska only 200gr coated hardcast no jhp
Is the printing on the package updatet on newer packages?
Yes sir
@@AlaskanBallistics How can i find out if my packages are fast or weak?
Since which LOT# is the package updated?
Shoot over a chronograph
@@AlaskanBallistics Ok, Hornady mixed old an new packages and old and new loads?
Your Package was written as slow and was fast.
Is there a method to see on the package if the load is hot or weak?
Yes shoot over a chronograph
I’d say the chronograph was reading wrong, 250 FPS more Then the box says, I could maybe see it mite get close to a 100fps more but 250 , unless hornady made a mistake loading them ,
Hornady changed their load and forgot to change the box info. Their newer packages have 1425 on them.
I no it was a smoking round , I think sig messed up on some of there elite v crown a few year back I was getting over 1500fps from the 124gr out of a canik sf elite and I think it’s got a 4.19 in barrel, it happen from ever now and then they over load something
Though sick V grounds also break apart at high velocity's, short barrels only
Hello🙋 Sorry for my english, you are measured charge of powder? Could be over charge error manufacturing effect? The speed is rally hight into pistol barrel. ... tank's🙋
I have not But will look into it
It would be good compare the charge,highlight of Andy anomalies in the load...? ☺
antonello romeo agreed.. I may do that soon.
Ok my friend ☺ tank you👍
Unfortunately i don't have a reloading scale or set up at this time. Working on it
Dang. Winner winner chicken dinner. Guess keeping the ammo in your pants worked ;-)
InSight Freedom lol... Except i didn't lol it was in the ammo box
InSight Freedom I'm thinking these were loaded bad from the factory
I'm thinking they were loaded GOOD. They need to keep that formula.
That's what a 155 should run at.
True. Just the box numbers were way lower than it should be
Holy gggwacamoli !!
Porkchop's Papi i was kinda surprised as well
So why did you get 200 more feet per sec over the rated 1265 on the box⁉️
Hornady actually changed their formula to this ammo, and it's supposed to be in the 1400's
But they didn't change the box right away.
@@AlaskanBallistics Those rounds were pretty 🔥 💯
The Underwood 155gr load goes even fsster, same bullet
Do you have a video on those 155 grain rounds❓
Yes somewhere
Longer barrel of the g40 gives higher velocity.
But 265 fps faster? That's a lot in a pistol for 1.4 inches of difference. Maybe 100-150 tops... Hornady emailed me bank and let me know that the lot ran hot...
Thanks for watching!
@@AlaskanBallistics usually only about 50 or 60 fps faster out of the glock 40 vs the glock 20. General rule of thumb is about 35 fps per inch of added barrel length
I've gotten a lot more than 50-60 over g20 check out my g29 vs g20 vs g40
I shot a Glock 20 in 10mm here at my local indoor range and people were giving me wierd looks in their other lanes 😂
Guess that wasn't welcoming for newbies at the range.. Oh did I forget to say it's mostly nubes who go to shoot at my range anyways lol
Lol... Should have shot 44 magnum next to them! Thanks for watching!
Alaskan Ballistics thank you for putting out amazing content. Btw I've never shot a 44 magnum, nor would I be willing to pay for the expensive ammo, especially here in Canada where everything is 5x as expensive as what you guys pay haha
Anyone who gets pissed off from a loud bang or blast concussion on a range should try a different hobby....if it makes me jump...then it makes me smile
Exactly sir!
At one of my local ranges the employee put me in the shorter/wider range the first time as a newb. Bigger, more open, less echo, quieter. But when I came back with my 10mm, and every time after, he has put me in the big boy range, with the rifles and shotguns! This one has windows into the shop, so he can watch.
I guarantee you that will stop any bear.
If you hit it in the head sure...
@@AlaskanBallistics If you hit it in ANY vital area. Do you really think a bear's organs are 2ft from the skin?
The reality is that almost any caliber will kill a bear if you hit the vitals, and any caliber will be completely ineffective if you don't hit the vitals.
You can hit the heart with a 9mm and drop the bear and you can blow right through the gut with a 300 Win Mag and just piss it off.
In any self defense situation the single most important factor is shot placement.
Besides, if a bear is charging you, the largest vital target available to you will likely be the head anyway.
@@KurNorock bears are considerably thicker and more dense with thicker bones than Ballistics gel and humans. 2ft of penetration in water, gel and such, is going to translate to 12-18" in a bear. The harder the bullet the better the penetration, the more powerful the better the penetration assuming the the bullet design doesn't cause it to fragment.
Bears have significantly larger hearts than humans and more adrenaline and blood being pumped throughout the body. A heart shot won't stop it in its tracks. You need a central nervous system hit.
As you've said shot placement is key. This were agree on but your round has to do something when placed in the right place.
@@AlaskanBallistics
As far as bullets are concerned, flesh is flesh is flesh. That bullet can't tell if it is punching through pig, deer, human, bear, buffalo, or anything else. Bear flesh is not more dense than human or any other flesh. If you get a pound of bear meat it is going to be the same size as a pound of pork.
I shot a javelina with a 180gr hollow point from my 10mm. Not only did it shatter the shulderblade, it also traveled down over 8in of the spine and shattered the opposite side hip. All in all it turned about 10 inches of bone into shrapnel. In total the bullet traveled, fully expanded, the entire length of the body of the animal, which was roughly 30in to 36in of total penetration, including that 10in of bone. Granted, a javelina is a fairly small animal, but again, flesh is flesh, bone is bone. Some bone is slightly more dense than other bone, but the differences are minimal at best where high velocity projectiles are concerned. There is no such thing as a bullet proof bone. A 9mm will blow right through a 3in diameter cow femur. No reason to think it wouldn't do the same to a bear.
A grizzly bear's heart is not so large that it can shrug off a fist sized hole being blown out the back of it. "Fist sized hole" you ask? yes. Watch this video. th-cam.com/video/QdB8yo085Sw/w-d-xo.html
Hell, a bear's heart isn't so large that it can keep functioning even with a bit of jacket fragment through it. Hearts are high pressure pumps. Put a hole in them and they can't build pressure and so they can't function.
And yes, some animals can keep on moving when their heart is blown to bits, for a short time. But a lot of animals also drop immediately.
The point being, go for the head. Which means that literally ANY hand gun larger than a .22lr is capable of dropping a bear because despite popular belief, no, a grizzly bear does not have a 4in thick "skull plate", and no, your bullet is not going to bounce off of the skull.
So in a self defense situation against a charging grizzly, you should be aiming for the head. So why do you need 24 inches of penetration again? You don't. Even if for whatever reason you can't aim for the head, your best bet is to put as many rounds as you can center mass (into the vitals such as the heart and lungs) just like in a self defense situation with a two legged attacker, and in that situation ammo capacity is your friend, not penetration or sheer power. You want as many holes in the bear as fast as you can put them there, because every shot fired is one more chance you hit that spot that drops the bear in its tracks.
@@KurNorock i shot a downed grizzly bear with a glock 19 124gr +p gold dot. Bearly penetrated the skull and did not go into the brain itself. It was a small bear. That bullet gets over 16" of penetration in gel.
Yes a charging bear you should shoot in the head. But bullet type matters
I really don't know why anybody in this day and age would buy big box brand ammo it's also watered down especially 10 mil 357 Magnum 44 magnum you got to go to like Underwood Buffalo Bore grizzly double tap I mean we all know the brands but I would never buy this off-the-shelf crap
Me either. But someone had to test it... btw doubletap also doesn't live up to their numbers.
Underwood is so much better.
Yeah about 100 fps better .. there's a video on my channel somewhere
but is the underwood ammo available in europe and CIPed?
thats gotta be a fluke.
Agreed
It dumped all of its energy right where you want it. Not through the other side with power
Yes. But sometimes not penetrating enough is a bigger problem. Energy dump doesn't actually kill. Penetration to the vitals does.
@@AlaskanBallistics i carry 10 mm now because i bought property in idaho that has a bear issue. If im in bear country my mag is loaded with hard casts. When I’m in town i use 200 gr xtp’s at 1230 ish for the sole reason it will dump most of its energy in the first 4 inches while shattering any bone it encounters turning bone frags into shrapnel. Now that i have 10 mm i turned my glock 22 into a .357 sig as i reload it for the sane price as 9 mm. Its was my edc until i got my glock 29. As a review the 29 sucks until you get the Pearson mag extenders. Now i live it. Took training to be proficient. But that just had me testing loads till i was happy. Ty for the great content!!!!