Hogen Hi-shore? I hit my 10mm power limit when I used 135g Nosler JHP’s, Double Tap cases, CCI 350 LP MAGNUM primers and Alliant Power Pistol propellant. I worked this combination up to an average velocity of 1780 fps. At .1 grain above that, I was getting some primer flattening, so I backed down .1 which showed no signs of over pressure so I settled on that as my max 135g/Power Pistol load. Pretty stout stuff reaching the lower level of rifle power out of a 6” ported barrel in a Glock 20.
Accurate Arms AA 9 is a ball powder with a burning rate similar to 800 X. Much easier to work with. Flows like water through a powder measure. Give it a try, much easier to use than 800 X. During the recent powder and primer famine. I was forced to use 700 X, ( faster burning version of 800 X ) to load 9 mm & 45 ACP. It is a terrible flake shotgun powder. Trying to get accurate loads through a powder measure was impossible. They would vary as much, as plus/minus 3/4 of a grain. I don't understand why the loading manuals list handgun loads for flake shotgun powders such as 700 or 800 X. Running accurate loads through a powder measure is impossible. Each individual load has to be weighted on a scale to be accurate.
Yeah I think in this video I mentioned that I only hand weigh with 800x. If you look at the 800x numbers in reloading manuals they top out at around 30k psi well below max pressures. I think that's obviously a safety thing due to the fact that it dispenses so poorly. I don't have any AA-9 but I have some longshot I've been meaning to try which is a finer flake powder. Its hard to find anything right now but I will keep an eye out for AA-9.
@@joe69trump69 looking at this chart its a bit slower than 800x and longshot. It's probably on the upper end of usable powders in 10mm. Likely good for 200gr pills. www.lasc.us/BurnRatePrint.htm
@@letstalkcaliber704Longshot is great for 40 & 10mm. 180gr. bullet with 9.2gr. of Longshot at 1.250 oal. Doesn't have the horsepower of 800x but it's close. Get a four port break on that tool.
@@glocktard-ei8is break would be nice. I have some longshot. Gonna do a powder comparison when I can get some time. Longshot, 800x, blue-dot, Accurate #9, power pistol to name a few. Will be testing bullet weights from 135 to 205. Don't know when I'll have time but it's gonna be really interesting.
So, did you ever do any load development with this 155gr XTP and CFE-Pistol, by any chance? Your 1650 fps in this video is even higher than the Underwood version!
@@saintsinningsword I see what your saying, but I'm running a Glock 20, not sure what you need for yours... maybe there more info on TH-cam about what spring is best for your pistol.
@@tomlee6263 Found 22lbs springs and ordering soon. Now just wanting 220gr +p+ stupid loads but I guess you have to load those yourself. Wished they made Desert Eagles in 10MM or 10MM Magnum.
I have bought some Underwood 155 xtp in 40 at 1300 for a buck a round from Midway, those are finicky going through fabric and may not open,I think a 180 HST at around 1200 would be perfect for 10 mm, cops noticed the 155 165 was not performing through barriers as well as the 180 even though energy is lower in 180 overall.The Ranger Bonded RA40B is the best duty or defence round ,not sure if they sell just the bullet
Yeah the heavier bullets should penetrate non steel objects more efficiently but I think the expansion reliability comes down to bullet design. The 155s are nice because the recoil a little milder and they do lots of damage but I do need to test more barriers and add fabric. Definitely want to test more bullets but so many places are sold out right now. Xtps are pretty much the only thing I can get. There's a 40 cal vcrown I'd love to test and the hst's are definitely on my list as well.
@@letstalkcaliber704 XTP is first a Hunting bullet, second a defence round.I have shot hundreds of boutique rounds in many calibers , 165 gr Hornady Critical Defence is what is carry in 40, at nearly 1200 fps from my 226 it is perfect and will not clog.
Yes I got a RCBS Chargemaster years ago when they first came out and have my RCBS 10-10 scale now as back up. I got rid of my RCBS Uniflow powder measure quickly after double checking with the 10-10 scales. The Digital Chargemaster was a god sent to my reloading process. Keep that 800x powder dry ! My load of 9.6 of 800x with the 200gr WFNGC.
now that its discontinued. which powder would you think it works best. hodgdon data has cfepistol as the second best. CFE=1409 fps at 34,900 psi and 800-x at 1350fps (30,000 psi)
I was gonna say longshot but it comes in at about 1350fps at 35k psi so your CFE beats it by a little. CFE is probably a good start if you can get it. Now that 800x is out of the picture I guess I need to find a new powder and redo this video.
I’m tryin to get max from the 200gr xtp’s through my 6” trp and started at 5grs cfe and primers too flat…7.7gr was far as I could go with the 155gr Lehigh…no chronograph yet so pressure signs is bout all I got to go off of..
think you overcharged this quite dramatically (relatively) using longshot as a substitute (they have nearly the same grainage ratio in loads according to hodgdon's site) yours was probably around 12-12.5 and looking at 55-60k psi. pretty wild, the strength of 40 super!
Not sure what 12-12.5 was referring too? Can you link to what you were looking at. It's hard to really determine pressure without equipment but looking at hodgdonreloading.com they list 9.8 gr of 800x at 30k psi with a 155gr xtp. My load was 10.8 gr. Max saami pressure in 37,500 psi. So not really sure if I'm hitting that or if I'm over but the cases are taking the pressure. If I continue to increase the powder load you should see the velocities drop slightly as the case starts to rupture and deform. Then if I don't notice that and keep going you'd see case failure. So since I'm not having too crazy of pressure signs I think I'm not to far past max pressure if not under it. Then again there's guys shooting 9mm major out of standard 9mms and nothing is blowing up and that's like 44k psi so who really knows.
@@letstalkcaliber704 i'm using QUICKLOAD to try to determine what the PSI could have been with a similar powder to 800x since quickload doesn't have it. i used longshot because it has a similar ratio of powder:fps according to hodgdon (their longshot loads on their site are all fucked up, ignore them!) i think it's probably pretty over pressure, but that many cases can handle it. i load 7.62x38r for my nagant m1895 and load 3-4x over SAAMI spec without any significant case bulging to date, even in my super overpressured round (eq. to 500 ftlb LMAO oops!!) that locked up the entire action and required me to use a hammer and mosin nagant cleaning rod to unstick it (saami spec for 7.62x38r isn't public, but since fiocchi and ppu both load the same fps and grainage it can be assumed SAAMI is around 11k, therefore cases designed for 11k) it's just a guess, but i think it's pretty overpressure. i load 10 with longshot, i've gotten to 10 as hodgdon for 180gr xtp suggested that at max and i started to see less gain, but 10gr longshot is pretty overpressure. yours could be only marginally overpressure, i'm not a scientist but that load is approaching ".40 super" levels of hot and the PSI for 40 super is significantly higher than 10. the point being, it's almost certainly overpressure. if quickload had 800x it'd be easy for us plebs to confirm, but ol boy never added it :(... as well, you have an aftermarket barrel which probably makes it a lot more tolerable vs commercial glock barrels which are notoriously bad for reloads. just a guess! i don't know, could be wrong but i jus want ppl to be safe :D
@@letstalkcaliber704 put 2 whitetail down with the 155gr xtp’s out my longslide trp with rmr…round 40yrds and knocked em down like a .06..man get these 200s anywhere round 1300fps or more if possible they’d do cartwheels…135 nosler@1700fps is the ones I’ve lusted over…
@@jayblemsin4226 man has to put 1 down in Walmart…foodcity…any place where there’s innocents 8” be just right for me…dumps all its energy in 1 target not pass through and clip someone else…if I need to go deeper I’ve got ones loaded for that..
@@letstalkcaliber704the kkm barrels doesn't have very good chamber support, when compared to Barsto barrels . Barsto simply makes the best barrels in the industry now. The chamber support is just perfect. I sent my Kkm barrels back.
Do not follow these directions. If you want to do safe over pressure hand loading research how to identify pressure signs in straight wall cartridges. It takes tracking the measurements of the case head and case web. Please do plenty of research. These practices will give you the nickname leftie at best.
Have they started calling you lefty yet.. You're certainly riding the edge with that messy makeshift set-up and care free ways of measuring powder charges.. Please show your face so that anyone watching this might have an idea to stand far back if they happen to spot you at a public range..
Your embarrassing makeshift set up and nonchalant care about precise powder charge is the recipe for disaster.💥💥💥Have they started calling lefty yet😂😂😂😂😂 Proceeds to have an extreme spread over a few hundred FPS... The discontinuation of 800X powder was a good thing for this individual.
Extreme spread? I was expecting 1596 and got 1650. The max fps of the original test was 1618 only 32 fps slower. Consider I used different brass and the environment conditions were considerably different it's not that alarming. Misspoke in the video saying I was expecting ~1500 fps. I was much less surprised when taking a second look at my books. You shoot guns I shoot guns I'm not your enemy. I hope you're having a better day than when you wrote those comments. Cheers.
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Please keep making these 10mm vids love’em, 10mm needs all the love it can get and then some. Will be looking forward to more of your great vids man!
Hogen Hi-shore? I hit my 10mm power limit when I used 135g Nosler JHP’s, Double Tap cases, CCI 350 LP MAGNUM primers and Alliant Power Pistol propellant. I worked this combination up to an average velocity of 1780 fps. At .1 grain above that, I was getting some primer flattening, so I backed down .1 which showed no signs of over pressure so I settled on that as my max 135g/Power Pistol load. Pretty stout stuff reaching the lower level of rifle power out of a 6” ported barrel in a Glock 20.
Those looked 🌶, spicy bois.
Check out civil defense loads up round oh 2400fps…don’t blink
Really sweet and almost 1000fpe,
Man, your reloading space looks like they played last year's Super Bowl in it!
Ya it's pretty bad. Finally getting around to cleaning it off. Just had build some cabinets so I could get everything sorted.
Accurate Arms AA 9 is a ball powder with a burning rate similar to 800 X. Much easier to work with. Flows like water through a powder measure. Give it a try, much easier to use than 800 X.
During the recent powder and primer famine. I was forced to use 700 X, ( faster burning version of 800 X ) to load 9 mm & 45 ACP. It is a terrible flake shotgun powder. Trying to get accurate loads through a powder measure was impossible. They would vary as much, as plus/minus 3/4 of a grain.
I don't understand why the loading manuals list handgun loads for flake shotgun powders such as 700 or 800 X. Running accurate loads through a powder measure is impossible. Each individual load has to be weighted on a scale to be accurate.
Yeah I think in this video I mentioned that I only hand weigh with 800x. If you look at the 800x numbers in reloading manuals they top out at around 30k psi well below max pressures. I think that's obviously a safety thing due to the fact that it dispenses so poorly. I don't have any AA-9 but I have some longshot I've been meaning to try which is a finer flake powder. Its hard to find anything right now but I will keep an eye out for AA-9.
I don’t think aa9 burn rate is close to 800x. Aa9 is way slower and don’t think you can stuff enough in the case to push those 155s to 800x speed
@@joe69trump69 looking at this chart its a bit slower than 800x and longshot. It's probably on the upper end of usable powders in 10mm. Likely good for 200gr pills. www.lasc.us/BurnRatePrint.htm
@@letstalkcaliber704Longshot is great for 40 & 10mm.
180gr. bullet with 9.2gr. of Longshot at 1.250 oal. Doesn't have the horsepower of 800x but it's close.
Get a four port break on that tool.
@@glocktard-ei8is break would be nice. I have some longshot. Gonna do a powder comparison when I can get some time. Longshot, 800x, blue-dot, Accurate #9, power pistol to name a few. Will be testing bullet weights from 135 to 205. Don't know when I'll have time but it's gonna be really interesting.
So, did you ever do any load development with this 155gr XTP and CFE-Pistol, by any chance? Your 1650 fps in this video is even higher than the Underwood version!
I used that scale it varied to wild with lower weights even calibrated. Switched to triple beam rcbs.
I have an accurate beam scale but find them slower. Will have to compare the scales to see how far off the digital scale really is.
How did it compare?
Good
That's crazy velocity, dunno if real or not. Dunno if shooting that damages the gun or if heavier recoil springs would save a gun.
Definitely need a heavier recoil spring, 22-24lbs probably. I use a 22lb with 165 gr HP, and 6" Lone Wolf barrel.
@@tomlee6263 Man don't think I can find one for my Compact Steel Witness, heaviest is 20lbs. Maybe Wolf Spring's main site but will have to dig.
@@saintsinningsword I see what your saying, but I'm running a Glock 20, not sure what you need for yours... maybe there more info on TH-cam about what spring is best for your pistol.
@@tomlee6263 Found 22lbs springs and ordering soon. Now just wanting 220gr +p+ stupid loads but I guess you have to load those yourself. Wished they made Desert Eagles in 10MM or 10MM Magnum.
@@saintsinningsword just remember that with a heavier recoil spring, your pistol may not function good with lower powered factory ammunition...
I have bought some Underwood 155 xtp in 40 at 1300 for a buck a round from Midway, those are finicky going through fabric and may not open,I think a 180 HST at around 1200 would be perfect for 10 mm, cops noticed the 155 165 was not performing through barriers as well as the 180 even though energy is lower in 180 overall.The Ranger Bonded RA40B is the best duty or defence round ,not sure if they sell just the bullet
Yeah the heavier bullets should penetrate non steel objects more efficiently but I think the expansion reliability comes down to bullet design. The 155s are nice because the recoil a little milder and they do lots of damage but I do need to test more barriers and add fabric. Definitely want to test more bullets but so many places are sold out right now. Xtps are pretty much the only thing I can get. There's a 40 cal vcrown I'd love to test and the hst's are definitely on my list as well.
Didn’t tools just test those and show poor results?
@@letstalkcaliber704 XTP is first a Hunting bullet, second a defence round.I have shot hundreds of boutique rounds in many calibers , 165 gr Hornady Critical Defence is what is carry in 40, at nearly 1200 fps from my 226 it is perfect and will not clog.
V CROWN ARE HORRIBLE.
800x excellent powder in 10mm used it for years with 200gr XTP
I heard they IMR discontinued 800x powder
I have over 8 lbs of the stuff but that would definitely be a shame. Cheap effective powder. Only downside is the metering is bad.
Yes I got a RCBS Chargemaster years ago when they first came out and have my RCBS 10-10 scale now as back up. I got rid of my RCBS Uniflow powder measure quickly after double checking with the 10-10 scales. The Digital Chargemaster was a god sent to my reloading process.
Keep that 800x powder dry !
My load of 9.6 of 800x with the 200gr WFNGC.
@@trumpie5399 wonder how the big matchmaster does at $900 samolians?
Yeah I heard they discontinued it too
Dam, do you ever do amy 357 magnum?
now that its discontinued. which powder would you think it works best. hodgdon data has cfepistol as the second best. CFE=1409 fps at 34,900 psi and 800-x at 1350fps (30,000 psi)
I was gonna say longshot but it comes in at about 1350fps at 35k psi so your CFE beats it by a little. CFE is probably a good start if you can get it. Now that 800x is out of the picture I guess I need to find a new powder and redo this video.
I’m tryin to get max from the 200gr xtp’s through my 6” trp and started at 5grs cfe and primers too flat…7.7gr was far as I could go with the 155gr Lehigh…no chronograph yet so pressure signs is bout all I got to go off of..
Give Power Pistol a try, you won’t regret it. And you probably won’t look back, either!
Don't Jerry Rig your hand loads folks!
think you overcharged this quite dramatically (relatively) using longshot as a substitute (they have nearly the same grainage ratio in loads according to hodgdon's site) yours was probably around 12-12.5 and looking at 55-60k psi. pretty wild, the strength of 40 super!
Not sure what 12-12.5 was referring too? Can you link to what you were looking at. It's hard to really determine pressure without equipment but looking at hodgdonreloading.com they list 9.8 gr of 800x at 30k psi with a 155gr xtp. My load was 10.8 gr. Max saami pressure in 37,500 psi. So not really sure if I'm hitting that or if I'm over but the cases are taking the pressure. If I continue to increase the powder load you should see the velocities drop slightly as the case starts to rupture and deform. Then if I don't notice that and keep going you'd see case failure. So since I'm not having too crazy of pressure signs I think I'm not to far past max pressure if not under it. Then again there's guys shooting 9mm major out of standard 9mms and nothing is blowing up and that's like 44k psi so who really knows.
@@letstalkcaliber704 i'm using QUICKLOAD to try to determine what the PSI could have been with a similar powder to 800x since quickload doesn't have it. i used longshot because it has a similar ratio of powder:fps according to hodgdon (their longshot loads on their site are all fucked up, ignore them!)
i think it's probably pretty over pressure, but that many cases can handle it. i load 7.62x38r for my nagant m1895 and load 3-4x over SAAMI spec without any significant case bulging to date, even in my super overpressured round (eq. to 500 ftlb LMAO oops!!) that locked up the entire action and required me to use a hammer and mosin nagant cleaning rod to unstick it (saami spec for 7.62x38r isn't public, but since fiocchi and ppu both load the same fps and grainage it can be assumed SAAMI is around 11k, therefore cases designed for 11k)
it's just a guess, but i think it's pretty overpressure. i load 10 with longshot, i've gotten to 10 as hodgdon for 180gr xtp suggested that at max and i started to see less gain, but 10gr longshot is pretty overpressure.
yours could be only marginally overpressure, i'm not a scientist but that load is approaching ".40 super" levels of hot and the PSI for 40 super is significantly higher than 10. the point being, it's almost certainly overpressure.
if quickload had 800x it'd be easy for us plebs to confirm, but ol boy never added it :(...
as well, you have an aftermarket barrel which probably makes it a lot more tolerable vs commercial glock barrels which are notoriously bad for reloads.
just a guess! i don't know, could be wrong but i jus want ppl to be safe :D
There is no +P in the 10mm
Absolutely true. Considering most 10mm is glorified 40s&w I don't see any harm in adding the moniker even if there is no SAAMI specification.
@letstalkcaliber704 I don't either my friend. Just wasn't sure if it was a *wink wink* situation or a mistake. Great video by the way!
KKM Barrel?
Yes, 6in KKM barrel.
@@letstalkcaliber704 put 2 whitetail down with the 155gr xtp’s out my longslide trp with rmr…round 40yrds and knocked em down like a .06..man get these 200s anywhere round 1300fps or more if possible they’d do cartwheels…135 nosler@1700fps is the ones I’ve lusted over…
@Charles Mullins the 135 in 10mm high speed is trash. It gets like 8 in gel penetra
@@jayblemsin4226 man has to put 1 down in Walmart…foodcity…any place where there’s innocents 8” be just right for me…dumps all its energy in 1 target not pass through and clip someone else…if I need to go deeper I’ve got ones loaded for that..
@@letstalkcaliber704the kkm barrels doesn't have very good chamber support, when compared to Barsto barrels . Barsto simply makes the best barrels in the industry now. The chamber support is just perfect. I sent my Kkm barrels back.
Do not follow these directions. If you want to do safe over pressure hand loading research how to identify pressure signs in straight wall cartridges. It takes tracking the measurements of the case head and case web. Please do plenty of research. These practices will give you the nickname leftie at best.
Somehow after over a decade of doong things this way. I'm totally fine. Gun is functioning fine too. 🙂
@@letstalkcaliber704 I'm very glad your fine and hope you remain that why because after a bad accident it would be fun anymore.
Have they started calling you lefty yet..
You're certainly riding the edge with that messy makeshift set-up and care free ways of measuring powder charges..
Please show your face so that anyone watching this might have an idea to stand far back if they happen to spot you at a public range..
Your embarrassing makeshift set up and nonchalant care about precise powder charge is the recipe for disaster.💥💥💥Have they started calling lefty yet😂😂😂😂😂
Proceeds to have an extreme spread over a few hundred FPS... The discontinuation of 800X powder was a good thing for this individual.
Extreme spread? I was expecting 1596 and got 1650. The max fps of the original test was 1618 only 32 fps slower. Consider I used different brass and the environment conditions were considerably different it's not that alarming. Misspoke in the video saying I was expecting ~1500 fps. I was much less surprised when taking a second look at my books. You shoot guns I shoot guns I'm not your enemy. I hope you're having a better day than when you wrote those comments. Cheers.