This is hands down one of THE best technical channels we've ever had. In a sea of clickbait peddlers and no-brain meta slaves Chrightt's the dude to keep an eye on.
It's pretty neat that the Cleanrot Knight Sword is the best offhand thrusting sword, since that's exactly what the Cleanrot Knights use it as. Shame we can't have their full moveset if we equip it with their spear or with the Halo Scythe, but such is life I suppose.
@Beyond Hop3 I'd still rather have both hands attack. The strength of the spear or halb paired with the thrusting sword, is applying pressure at short and close range. It's extremely potent for mindgames, pressure, and forcing rollcatches.
There is a very narrow case-use for the Noble's Estoc: it allows 80 Faith or 80 Int builds to completely eschew their Str/Dex stats by having the lowest stat requirements of all Thrusting Swords. A starting Astrologer needs a single point of Str to use the Noble's Estoc, and the Prophet class doesn't need any points to use it. This means one could run 50 Vigor/40-50 Mind/80 Faith or Int PvP builds at the 150 meta. This assumes that the rapier is basically an afterthought though; such builds would rely on their spells almost exclusively. Definitely a min-max situation, and those builds would be trading 20-30 AR for basically 4-5 points in other stats. Niche at best.
Because of the low weight and requirements, noble's is great for spell-focused builds who want a weapon, especially just for an ash of war. I use it on a faith caster prophet with endure
Noble’s also gets higher AR on a pure Str build when Cold infused vs Estoc. Cleanrot is still better though but Nobles is at least lighter with lower reqs.
Youre one of the best guide channel for elden ring my man. I love that you show the MV, the range, the calc number, and pros and cons of all weapons in detailed with real data in a simple and straightforward way. Im kinda tired with all those other channel that spread misinformatiom with "This the best, one of the best, the most broken shit". Its just pain. Kay enough of the rant Keep up the good work ^^
@@lordmew5 dunno but I mean shields are pretty straightforward. You want to find the 100 phys with highest guard boost within your endurance investment. As other guard stat like magic, elemental res you just need to look the highest value and hard swap matching your opponents. And you just know what is the best shield alright. Its a fuckin fingerprint. So yea. And I also recommend eclipse crest for its extra passive thats boost robustness, immunity, and focus. Its kinda help when youre against status build like bloodloss.
@@aureliusba_lethroz what about those of us who are two handing our shields using them as both our weapons and as shields. We don't know our AR backstab bonus or anything else. We don't even know how to power stance our shields.
@@Chrightt again what about those of us who are using shields as our weapons. Is it better to just two hand it or should i have two shields if it is two shields is better to have a great shield and small shield and what hands should they be in. What are the best shields for damage? Do all shields have the same range? Why do some great shields take longer to charge all the way. What is the ar of shields.
That's funny, I grabbed the "Ice needle" very early to use it just like a wand! I'm happy that the fact it still has a projectile when fainting was mentioned here. I was surprised when I figured it out for myself.- For those interested, it is pretty easy to get. The boss you need to defeat is a "Revenant" which are deadly weak against healing magic. You just need to procure the finger talisman and your basic heal from the round table, and you don't need to put a single point into faith if you grab the "faith knot crystal" (for your flask of physic) just sitting there in the weeping peninsula. Should be an easy fight, or I just got lucky. Oh and hope you can meet the stat requirements for that rapier!
One of my favorite things about the Antspur is you can put Sepukku on it with poison affinity and when you buff you are inflicting Rot, Bleed, and Poison build up.
Combine that with an offhand cold Cleanrot, the right hand triple thrust in the power stance Rapier moveset is basically to inflict all three at once. Put Parry on the Cleanrot sword and you can really fuck people up.
Alternatively, you can pick up the Ash of War: Poison Moth Flight from the Night's Cavalry in Caelid and use the Black Whetstone to set the affinity to Blood. Seppuku doesn't show up until the Mountaintops, and setting it to Blood affinity means you don't have to keep casting Seppuku to keep up the blood loss. With something like a Cold Estoc in your offhand, you can shred your way through at least half the game with status effects and anything that boosts rapid strikes.
Rogier's Rapier also has one of the highest int scalings in the game with a very solid A(92) at +25 magic. Can be useful to surprise opponents on int builds by using int-scaling weapon arts (glintstone pebble oneshots...)
The cold-infused Antspur is bugged. It loses its inert rot upon being upgraded to +6 as you mentioned. Moreover, the innate rot of the cold Antspur somehow scales up with the weapon upgrade level before +5 (from +0 to +5) up to 100+ cold buildup. One way to exploit it is to dual-wield two +5 cold Antspurs for massive cold procs and fast rot buildup.
I am excited for whenever you get to the greatsword video, seeing the different movesets objectively compared would be so nice. My assumption is the normal moveset is worse than the cool one.
Omg, thank you very much for this video. I have been waiting for this for so long. There is no normal guide in the whole youtube like this. I love you so much.
Poison is good for the Antspur Rapier, if you give it the Seppuku Ash of War you can inflict Bleed, Poison AND Scarlet Rot when buffed. If they patch the bugged Cold Affinity/Infusion you could run all 4 more standard status ailments at once with two Antspur Rapiers, and let's be real, that would be terrifying to fight. Death, Madness, and Sleep aren't what I'd call standard due to how few weapons can inflict those. There aren't many Scarlet Rot weapons, but in comparison all three of those combined, it has a ton of them. On my Sword of Night and Flame/hybrid caster build I started using the Estoc with Flaming Strike and the Flame Art Affinity/Infusion, I have to say that Flaming Strike pairs quite well with thrusting swords due to the slashing attack you get with the follow-up attack that buffs the weapon.
Neat trick with Antspur - as long as you don't add an "element", you can use your weapon art + a grease/sorcery/incant to stack up your favorite 3 status effects, as long as one is rot. Myself I like sleep grease + poison moth antspur - "Omae wa mou shindeiru......"
@@Xandros999 I don't think it does. If I recall, it just makes the weapon get goo-y with poison for just the strike. Poison weapon on the other hand, I think would override it.
Always adore seeing these pop up, as someone who loves Video Game Numbers. I'm sure you already have way too much on your plate to consider new video suggestions, but my Christmas wish this year is a video detailing everything I want to know about stance damage in a similar vein to your crit video. Yeah, I know I can spam FotR to stancebreak everything really fast, but I wanna know how all the other options stack up and if there might be a sleeper method buried deep in the digits somewhere to help me realize my dream of a Sekiro-style Deathblow-only playthrough.
Man has Asian accent Presentation is pedantically detailed Yep I found the right video Your research and presentation are incredible. Thank you for doing such an incredibly good job.
Thank you for your excellent content! Your videos are clear, concise and methodical. My only issue was on content I know, you are a little bit slow. This is something I appreciate on complicated content. My fix was speeding your video to 1.5x speed to move through things and slow it down when it gets weird.
Thank you, could you breakdown in depth stamina regen? Like what stacks and what doesn't, or if it's even worth stacking different buffs. I used the talisman and the physik a lot but I'm not sure if the physik really does a whole lot on top of the talisman. It'd be nice to see a in-depth breakdown of that.
Fantastic work as always! it seems that you always drop a guide just at the moment that i´m working on a build, i was working on a duel build with main hand lance and off hand rapier, but now i know that cleanrot will scale way better with strength and it´s longer, thanks!
If you don't mind pulling back the curtain a bit, do you mind sharing a rough order of the remaining weapon types you have planned for making videos? Eagerly awaiting your showcase of the Greataxes and Great Hammers, lesser used pvp weapons for sure.
I don't have all of them down, but in between a few other videos the rough weapon breakdown order in line would be: 1. Halberd 2. Hammer or Greathammer Greatsword is in the works and twinblade, which I was going to cover, has an issue with a missing weapon in the file for pulling weapon range (so this is delayed). I will cover all the weapon types, but bows will probably be left until the end because I only use them for fun and not extensively.
@@Chrightt Thank you for responding! I am looking forward to your covering of the hammer, greathammer, and greatswords. I understand leaving bows for last, which I presume will be broken up into light, normal, and greatbows, with crossbows and balistas getting their own videos? I do want to ask, will you cover shields and torches as well, or just proper weapons? Eagerly awaiting your Greataxe video whenever it is completed.
I would like to add that Thunderbolt (which is a great AoW and really popular with offstoc) scales greatly with weapon AR AND dexterity scaling. So a keen estoc with 80 dex has a neat boost to your damage compared to the cleanrot's
something interesting about antspur is that below +6, cold seems to increase the rot buildup rather than lower it, as you would expect. my +5 invader has 75 rot on the antspur, according to the menu. if my understanding of status mv is accurate, you'd be dishing out 135 rot with a single dual wield attack; a player in full veteran's would need nearly 40 vigor to avoid being rotted in two L1s 🤢
I regularly use the Antspur Rapier with the blood infusion and Poisonous Mist ash of war, as it is surprisingly convenient being able to inflict 3 different status effects with a single weapon.
I've spent a lot of time pvping with twin antspurs, on an arcane build, its a blast. Blood infusion reliably procs as the powerstanced thrusting swords hit a lot. Throw blood tax on the main hand and whatever you prefer on the offhand- this is more of a bleed build though, if you prefer to keep it dot based then poison will do the trick.
Excellent timing, I was expanding my weapon collection on my Strength character and was wishing you had done Thrusting Swords. Half hour later, this video arrived! It's not even my birthday! Hmm, no mention of Poison Antspur with Seppuku though... Or as I call him, "panic attack on a stick" on offhand with main hand Frozen Needle for the projectiles could be funny. Or, mainhand poison/seppuku Antspur with... Grafted Dragon offhand... Shh, don't tell anyone...
The anstur is probably better in the main hand in that case. The powerstanced moveset on thrusting swords is 1 hit with each weapon on the first L1, but then 3 hits on the mainhand and 0 hits on the offhand on the secnd hit. Since the Antspur has so many status effects on it thats the one you want getting the triple hits probably
@@TheKripox True for basic R1 combos, but the running, jumping, and rolling attacks use both swords properly and having Frozen Needle in your offhand doesn't allow you to use its unique R2. Also it technically has a usable (but mediocre) Ash of War during Seppuku buff, which lasts a good amount of time, during which your L2 button does nothing else. In reality, the ideal usage is two Antspurs, both of which are Bleed infused. I just like to think about unusual setups sometimes.
I enjoyed using a Poison Antspur as an offhand for bosses, and then two handing my main after proccing both, it was cool seeing the green glow turn red.
Nobles estoc is for casters and has low requirements. Sacred blade ash adds flat 81 holy damage to nobles estoc and stacks on the sacred infusion and holy shrouding tear. And the projectile hits hard, I consider it faith’s moonveil with zero point investment necessary for prophet starting class. The r1s with the buff literally shreds people to ribbons while triple rings finishes them off.
Antspur is terrifying if made poison and given Seppuku, as then you get three of the seven status effects from a single weapon. Seeing as frostbite can easily be gained from sources such as sorceries and incantations (or even wielding it alongside a Frozen Needle), and since the other three are much more niche and for the most part require you to build specifically for only (one of) them, I'd dare to say that the Antspur is one of if not the best status affliction weapon currently in the game.
Another thing to mention, the keen (or heavy, quality, std) ant spur is also the only rot inflicting weapon you can apply greases to. When you buff one with rot grease it will proc SR insanely fast. Duel wielding two with the grease is actually just broken when you proc with ghost hits. Also bleed antspurs are broken in the low level PvP scene
My main character has been running a dex/int build with power stance cold thrusting swords, rogier's in the main hand and estoc offhand. It's been a lot of fun!
I’m playing a cleanrot cleric rn and the antsbur with fire infusing and quickstep is pretty awesome so far. I get a bunch of decent damage in and when the rot procs I back off and throw spells. Really fun playstyle
Offstoc is of course called that because the estoc was overall the best in ds3 Which makes me wonder, did you do any pvp in the previous games? Of course it probably wasn’t worth mentioning why offstoc is called offstoc in either case, I’m just curious :)
Weirdly, the Zweihander scales pretty well with dexterity provided you don't mind the investment into strength to be able to use the weapon - it seems like a curved greatsword in disguise. It's probably the one colossal sword which prefers the cold estoc. Sounds like a fun build to just be able to go through the game and try out a lot of weapons without doing very many respecs.
It makes sense cause it's the lightest colossal sword and they probably want at least one of them to be a dex option. Its base is both D scaling too, so yeah.
I like running off poison antspur with main needle for lots of procs. I use the hp regen shield on off hand for long invasions and block pokes and a misericorde main with it as well for sneaky back stabs. It’s a pretty survivable build with high points of damage between power stance rapiers and a stabby dagger that are really rewarding for correct spacing
Crightt can you give us a breakdown of how diminishing returns work? Along with recommendations based on the math. For instance, Dragoncrest Greatshield Talisman: at 0 dmg neg (no armor) = +20 at 32 dmg neg (armor) = +13 at 51 dmg neg (armor, G Vow, Crab) = +9 Not sure if this interests you, but I'd love to know how to most optimize my buff stacking.
You can use Poison Mist + Bleed Infusion on an Antspur Rapier. After you use your weapon art, the weapon gets coated in posion. So you inflict Poison+Bleed+Rot with every attack. (Seppuku+Poison Infusion also works the other way). Also, rapier powerstancing moveset makes you hit with your main hand weapon 3 times very quickly. Use this on your main hand when powerstancing.
The weight dimension here is more important after 1.06 due to the light roll. If you want to carry an offhand thrusting sword while both hitting the poise breakpoints and light rolling, rapier’s low weight makes it a really great option.
I've never seen anyone mention the fact that if you light attack after a feint it does your backstep attack, which is incredible useful considering how long rage the thrusting swords backstep attack is
Do you happen to know what the frame data difference between left and right handed light attacks is? I believe the thrusting sword had faster left handed attacks in past games, too. Guide much appreciated nevertheless, you do fantastic work.
Frozen Needle carried me hard on my thrusting sword playthrough. It was always my main hand weapon while I interchanged offhands based on the situation/ash of war required.
I've been doing a spell sword playthrough that focuses on feint as well. I've been using the frozen needle and Rogers rapier (off hand) so far, but I'm sure this will change my mind set some.
Hey Chrightt, I find your videos informative to say the least. Will you be doing a greatsword comparison? I’d like to see the length difference between the Claymore, the Knight’s Greatsword and the Banished Knight’s Greatsword. I also don’t mind having some data on the Iron Greatsword as well. Anyway, keep up the great work.
Odd little tip: Feinting the 2nd heavy attack of 2-handed estocs is much faster than all other feints. I'm not 100% sure, but I think it might even true combo from the first heavy.
The comment I wanted to see! I've been using this for the last month in pvp, it's really good but it's not a true combo unless you land your first R2 fully charged. It's also nearly always connects when the opponent tries dodging forward after the first R2. This alone makes the (2H) Estoc pretty much the best Thrusting sword imo. The weapon excels in rollcatches with it's R1, running R1, running R2 and both jump attacks. Use this to pressure the opponent into rolling sideways or forwards which you can easily counter with the Estoc's standing R2 (uncharged) and then follow up in the feint to catch them off guard. Its only true downsides are the lowish poise damage (89 on 2H R2 (normal and feint)) and how it's not exactly easy to time the feint cancel as fast as possible as your input gets eaten if you do it too early.
I forgot to mention, there is actually a way to true combo this in the uncharged version but it's only possible when your opponent is literally standing against you. Connect the first uncharged R2 while unlocked, then use a reverse R2 feint so that you land right next to your opponents right shoulder. The opponent will be hit twice nearly instantly, but I wouldn't say it's really worth the hassle.
@@reflexassassin I didn't know it would combo from a fully charged R2, but I guess it makes sense since the extra stagger time outweighs the extra recovery. I'll have to try that trick for true comboing from an uncharged R2. I usually run Estoc with Storm Stomp so a point blank R2 isn't unreasonable to get. Regarding inputs getting eaten, so long as you are holding circle and R2 simultaneously the feint will come out immediately. Hope that helps.
@@omnibot5848 Storm Stomp is really good with the Estoc, however using the R2 into R2 feint after SS will hit way less often due to the opponents faster stun recovery after 2 hits (SS into R2) instead of 1 (just the first R2). And there's no way haha I've been practicing the timing in between every invasion for nearly a month! I'll try it out tomorrow but I'm pretty sure I've tested that before. Maybe it might be because I'm on ps4? Anyways thanks for the tip it could change my life if I was really that stupid not to have tested that haha. Also if I might ask where you got that knowledge from? I can't seem to find much info about this weird feint cancel.
First time i hear about offstock, I've never seen anyone use that in duels. It sounds like a great idea though, in fact I did something similar back in DS3. My quality build character used the Profaned Greatsword in the right hand and a straight sword in the left, it was great for doing mixups and catching people off-guard.
offstoc/offrot is actually very often used by more competitive players because of how fast/long it is. If you do a lot of duels, I'm surprised you managed to not see anyone use this yet.
I wish there was a cheaper Rot spell to run with Antspur other than Rotten Breath since I like to run non-buffing spellswords and don't want to powerstance two of them, especially since the L1 for powerstanced rapiers is just one jab with your offhand and 4 followup stabs with the right. It just feels like you can get the same mileage out of one-handing the thing and running "zone" spells to compliment its poke nature. Then again, Bloodhound Step is "banned" by most duel clubs so I'm already doing things wrong. /shrug
I don’t believe the cold infusion is a bug on the antspur rapier. If you scarlet rot a boss and then frostbite them it will reset the rot proc and you’ll have to re inflict rot which will also reset the frostbite. I think it’s intended to be that way.
@@nathreetimesnineequalstwen7172 I think is because scarlet rot is treated as fire damage. And that removes the frostbite debuff, that's why you can clean scarlet rot, poison and frostbite with flame cleanse me incantation
Just wanted to add that thrusting sword powerstance has a super low stamina cost, and is great for applying bleed on blood infusions. It does favor the main hand a lot since the second L1 is a triple thrust with the main hand. So blood antspur mainhand with cleanrot/estoc off-hand can give you some major damage in PvE.
Wow the frozen needle is so good I didn’t know astel wing was the only other weapon with a free projectile (moonlight GS isn’t free) I got it pretty early in my strength build and it’s been in my right hand as a range back up or fast attacking trash mob back up ever since I know it’s dex but it’s still so good it was the second thing I upgraded to +9 and probably soon +10 Completely off topic on this video because it’s talking about the off hand uses but damn is it amazing in the right hand Actually I do use a blood antspur in the offhand but it’s so I can duel wield and build up 3 status effects on an enemy then sit back and let the rot kick in Usually I do that for runebears
I'm talking about thrusting swords in general so both mainhand (i.e. Rogier's and offhand - cleanrot/estoc) are discussed. However, there is a strong focus on off-hand versus other weapon types because thrusting swords are strong and popular on the offhand! Also, Moonlight GS' weapon art calculates differently too as it is a weapon art. Just mentioning this as a side note.
On a dex build I was thinking of having dual thrusting swords, with the main hand being frozen needle to use the projectiles. Also dual wielding is useful for building status, but what I'm trying to decide is if it would be better to cold infuse the offhand weapon to get that proc faster, or keep it keen for better spear talisman counterhits. Since frostbite increases all damage taken, does the math come out to where offhand frost estoc or keen estoc comes out on top?
It will likely depend on how many hits it takes to proc frost, and your stat spread. I’d try it both ways and see how it works out on average in PvP. If you’re able to proc frost reliably while still having keen on the offhand that’s probably better, but if you aren’t proccing frost consistently I’d put cold on the offhand. Reliably getting the frost proc will outweigh the AR deficit.
Weapons like Varrés Bouquet, Frozen Needle, Serpentbone, Treespear and Dragon Greatclaw are all unique and fun and cool looking weapons but are all severely handicapped but the inability to infuse them whenthey dont even have a unique ash to compensate... I wish they removed the restriction, or, if theyre going to make weapons with non unique ashes be uninfuseable then atleast give them useful ashes that arent usually useable on that category, for example Frozen Needle could have Frozen Spear Ash... how did i come up with that but they didnt? This game is sonehow behind Ds2 in the possibilities for variety.
Wrong on tree spear. 13 int 40 fth and orders blade make it absurdly powerful. In fact my build was originally 50 fth 13 int but it was so overkill I’m pvp I dropped the fth to keep things interesting. Despite being holy it can be holy buffed and the damage massively over comes resistantances and it’s better to level fth than to level dex for it. Way better. I only wish great claw let you do the same with lightning
@@holyspear26 wdym wrong? Youre still stuck with the weapon art that isnt unique nor that useful and that doesnt change with the weapon being good or not, unless the weapon has a 100% unique ash, it not beinh infuseable with a generic ash will always be a negative.
@@vitorvena don’t need a weapon art when you can 3 shot most people. The r2 is practically the weapon art with 1500+ dmg on a charged double hit. Try it and use orders blade incantation instead of the ash. The spear scales with fth and you’d be getting double faith scaling with a spell buff.
@@holyspear26 yes i know its strong but that isnt the point and you literally states why my point was made in the first place, you dont use the ash you buff it with something else entirely because the ash isnt useful and it would be better and more fun uf we could change it since its not a unique ash to begin with... sure if they did that they might have to nerf something like scaling or maybe damage but thats off topic... I dont understand why this is even being debated in the first place.
Rapier is not a great pick for crit damage in PVE. It is, out of thrusting swords. But there are better weapons to choose. Keep in mind that the motion values from the data mining, are not correct for PVE. The actual values are especially different for large enemies. Also the crit attack animations change for large enemies. Making every weapon do crits in two separate damage chunks. So the smaller weapons that would otherwise do one damage chunk, loose their edge even more. Halberds are great for riposting smaller pve enemies. doing one large damage chunk. Can do more than Misericorde. Colossal weapons work well against large enemies. Especially with blood infusion. Because it can trigger bleed with the crit alone. Executioner's Greataxe is almost as good as Giant-Crusher, for being a crit specializing weapon.
Frozen needle rocks damage-wise with the Blue Dancer and the Spear Talisman. But is does no fucking poise damage. Poise tanks just rush you down. Spacing is hard because of the netcode. The only way i managed to make up for all that somewhat is Bestial Sling and Wrath of Gold. It's kinda absurd that Bestial Sling is a much more powerful pressure tool then your mainhand weapon. Impaling Thrust is good against fingerprint trolls, but not particularly against anything else. P. S. Also Keen Rapier has A in Dex, and this does not because it's a "unique weapon". The damage could be better after all.
A bit off topic but what's a good ash of war for heavy Lance while using a greatshield? For pve and PvP? Thanks. Using giant hunt at the moment just wondering if there is anything better. Seems good in pve and ok in PvP just hard to hit better players with it. Great video too, speaking of the Lance would love to see heavy spears next video
I'll be honnest, I have no clue why the Antspur is a normal weapon. It is broken OP to be able to infuse it with bleed while it also deals rot build-up. Rapiers having stupid low stamina cost, it makes spamming it to inflick rot+bleed super easy...
Not to rub it in on everyone's faces, but 5 hours of farming with 200 or so discovery wrangled me 6x Noble's Slender Sword and 6x Noble's Estoc. I know some people would call me a lucky SoB, but I sorta just went on farming after getting my 1st slender sword & estoc in the 1st 2 hours. Are there really people who go on farming for hours without finding one? Single minded grinding seemed to work for me. Something similar happened to me when farming for the Bandit CS, where the1st CS dropped on the 2nd skeleton, and the 2nd dropped on the 7-10th skeleton after. Though it should be comparatively easier to get on paper, since it has a 3 times the drop rate of the both the estoc & slender sword.
It's interesting that outside critics, this video seems to focus on offhanding the thrusting swords, rather then main handing it. Is there any reason to one handing it? I know power stancing is useful but still
I have mentioned mainhanding thrusting swords (which also works with powerstancing) like Rapier/Rogier as an option. It has a large focus on off-handing thrusting swords in addition to mainhanding because that is the most common place you will see thrusting swords for PVP.
Uhh so, is antspur + frozen needle power stance kinda cursed or could it work 😅 I really like the look of them together and i think it's possible to combine in a build and max it out but idk if i should infuse the antspur with frost, fire, bleed or poison or just leave it.
This is hands down one of THE best technical channels we've ever had. In a sea of clickbait peddlers and no-brain meta slaves Chrightt's the dude to keep an eye on.
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It's pretty neat that the Cleanrot Knight Sword is the best offhand thrusting sword, since that's exactly what the Cleanrot Knights use it as. Shame we can't have their full moveset if we equip it with their spear or with the Halo Scythe, but such is life I suppose.
having that guard counter as a replacement for L1 would honestly be a downgrade from the pokes, tho
@@Rakshael That's a fair point.
Can u powerstance their spear and the thrusting sword like they do?
@Beyond Hop3 I'd still rather have both hands attack. The strength of the spear or halb paired with the thrusting sword, is applying pressure at short and close range. It's extremely potent for mindgames, pressure, and forcing rollcatches.
@@tyrlant2189 you can wield one right hand, one left if that's what you mean.
There is a very narrow case-use for the Noble's Estoc: it allows 80 Faith or 80 Int builds to completely eschew their Str/Dex stats by having the lowest stat requirements of all Thrusting Swords. A starting Astrologer needs a single point of Str to use the Noble's Estoc, and the Prophet class doesn't need any points to use it. This means one could run 50 Vigor/40-50 Mind/80 Faith or Int PvP builds at the 150 meta.
This assumes that the rapier is basically an afterthought though; such builds would rely on their spells almost exclusively. Definitely a min-max situation, and those builds would be trading 20-30 AR for basically 4-5 points in other stats. Niche at best.
It also looks baller as all getout
Wish it was better than the estoc considering how hard it is to get
Because of the low weight and requirements, noble's is great for spell-focused builds who want a weapon, especially just for an ash of war. I use it on a faith caster prophet with endure
7 reasons why the Noble's Estoc is the best thrusting sword in the game
Noble’s also gets higher AR on a pure Str build when Cold infused vs Estoc.
Cleanrot is still better though but Nobles is at least lighter with lower reqs.
I've been waiting for this for so long
That was a *really* quick comment considering I just clicked publish.
Youre one of the best guide channel for elden ring my man. I love that you show the MV, the range, the calc number, and pros and cons of all weapons in detailed with real data in a simple and straightforward way. Im kinda tired with all those other channel that spread misinformatiom with "This the best, one of the best, the most broken shit". Its just pain. Kay enough of the rant
Keep up the good work ^^
If he is so good why did he say he wasn't going to go over shields?
@@lordmew5 dunno but I mean shields are pretty straightforward. You want to find the 100 phys with highest guard boost within your endurance investment. As other guard stat like magic, elemental res you just need to look the highest value and hard swap matching your opponents.
And you just know what is the best shield alright. Its a fuckin fingerprint. So yea. And I also recommend eclipse crest for its extra passive thats boost robustness, immunity, and focus. Its kinda help when youre against status build like bloodloss.
I will be covering all the shields together with block and parry info.
@@aureliusba_lethroz what about those of us who are two handing our shields using them as both our weapons and as shields. We don't know our AR backstab bonus or anything else. We don't even know how to power stance our shields.
@@Chrightt again what about those of us who are using shields as our weapons. Is it better to just two hand it or should i have two shields if it is two shields is better to have a great shield and small shield and what hands should they be in. What are the best shields for damage? Do all shields have the same range? Why do some great shields take longer to charge all the way. What is the ar of shields.
That's funny, I grabbed the "Ice needle" very early to use it just like a wand! I'm happy that the fact it still has a projectile when fainting was mentioned here. I was surprised when I figured it out for myself.- For those interested, it is pretty easy to get. The boss you need to defeat is a "Revenant" which are deadly weak against healing magic. You just need to procure the finger talisman and your basic heal from the round table, and you don't need to put a single point into faith if you grab the "faith knot crystal" (for your flask of physic) just sitting there in the weeping peninsula. Should be an easy fight, or I just got lucky. Oh and hope you can meet the stat requirements for that rapier!
Feinting*
One of my favorite things about the Antspur is you can put Sepukku on it with poison affinity and when you buff you are inflicting Rot, Bleed, and Poison build up.
I don't like how quickly you lose bleed that way. But it's op for like 2 minutes. Lol
Combine that with an offhand cold Cleanrot, the right hand triple thrust in the power stance Rapier moveset is basically to inflict all three at once. Put Parry on the Cleanrot sword and you can really fuck people up.
Alternatively, you can pick up the Ash of War: Poison Moth Flight from the Night's Cavalry in Caelid and use the Black Whetstone to set the affinity to Blood. Seppuku doesn't show up until the Mountaintops, and setting it to Blood affinity means you don't have to keep casting Seppuku to keep up the blood loss. With something like a Cold Estoc in your offhand, you can shred your way through at least half the game with status effects and anything that boosts rapid strikes.
Rogier's Rapier also has one of the highest int scalings in the game with a very solid A(92) at +25 magic. Can be useful to surprise opponents on int builds by using int-scaling weapon arts (glintstone pebble oneshots...)
The cold-infused Antspur is bugged. It loses its inert rot upon being upgraded to +6 as you mentioned. Moreover, the innate rot of the cold Antspur somehow scales up with the weapon upgrade level before +5 (from +0 to +5) up to 100+ cold buildup. One way to exploit it is to dual-wield two +5 cold Antspurs for massive cold procs and fast rot buildup.
This is a long time ago. Looking at this now is it still bugged?
11:50 That bug on the Antspur Rapier was finally fixed in 1.09
I am excited for whenever you get to the greatsword video, seeing the different movesets objectively compared would be so nice. My assumption is the normal moveset is worse than the cool one.
Waiting for it too. I wonder if my guess on the best pair for Marais is gonna be correct!
Alas, we must be patient.
Omg, thank you very much for this video. I have been waiting for this for so long. There is no normal guide in the whole youtube like this. I love you so much.
Much love for the support ❤️
@@Chrightt Man, much love for your awesome guides, hope you get millions of subs.
Poison is good for the Antspur Rapier, if you give it the Seppuku Ash of War you can inflict Bleed, Poison AND Scarlet Rot when buffed. If they patch the bugged Cold Affinity/Infusion you could run all 4 more standard status ailments at once with two Antspur Rapiers, and let's be real, that would be terrifying to fight.
Death, Madness, and Sleep aren't what I'd call standard due to how few weapons can inflict those. There aren't many Scarlet Rot weapons, but in comparison all three of those combined, it has a ton of them.
On my Sword of Night and Flame/hybrid caster build I started using the Estoc with Flaming Strike and the Flame Art Affinity/Infusion, I have to say that Flaming Strike pairs quite well with thrusting swords due to the slashing attack you get with the follow-up attack that buffs the weapon.
Neat trick with Antspur - as long as you don't add an "element", you can use your weapon art + a grease/sorcery/incant to stack up your favorite 3 status effects, as long as one is rot.
Myself I like sleep grease + poison moth antspur - "Omae wa mou shindeiru......"
Doesn't the weapon art buff overwrite the grease?
@@Xandros999 I don't think it does. If I recall, it just makes the weapon get goo-y with poison for just the strike.
Poison weapon on the other hand, I think would override it.
Always adore seeing these pop up, as someone who loves Video Game Numbers. I'm sure you already have way too much on your plate to consider new video suggestions, but my Christmas wish this year is a video detailing everything I want to know about stance damage in a similar vein to your crit video. Yeah, I know I can spam FotR to stancebreak everything really fast, but I wanna know how all the other options stack up and if there might be a sleeper method buried deep in the digits somewhere to help me realize my dream of a Sekiro-style Deathblow-only playthrough.
I'll look into this alongside my crit video.
Man has Asian accent
Presentation is pedantically detailed
Yep I found the right video
Your research and presentation are incredible. Thank you for doing such an incredibly good job.
I'd really like to see more build from you and I love these indepth breakdowns and how you consider other factors rather than just armament dmg
Really excited for the Halberd video whenever you're able to get to it! Great work, it's definitely appreciated!
Thank you for your excellent content! Your videos are clear, concise and methodical. My only issue was on content I know, you are a little bit slow. This is something I appreciate on complicated content. My fix was speeding your video to 1.5x speed to move through things and slow it down when it gets weird.
Thank you, could you breakdown in depth stamina regen? Like what stacks and what doesn't, or if it's even worth stacking different buffs. I used the talisman and the physik a lot but I'm not sure if the physik really does a whole lot on top of the talisman. It'd be nice to see a in-depth breakdown of that.
Fantastic work as always! it seems that you always drop a guide just at the moment that i´m working on a build, i was working on a duel build with main hand lance and off hand rapier, but now i know that cleanrot will scale way better with strength and it´s longer, thanks!
If you don't mind pulling back the curtain a bit, do you mind sharing a rough order of the remaining weapon types you have planned for making videos? Eagerly awaiting your showcase of the Greataxes and Great Hammers, lesser used pvp weapons for sure.
I don't have all of them down, but in between a few other videos the rough weapon breakdown order in line would be:
1. Halberd
2. Hammer or Greathammer
Greatsword is in the works and twinblade, which I was going to cover, has an issue with a missing weapon in the file for pulling weapon range (so this is delayed). I will cover all the weapon types, but bows will probably be left until the end because I only use them for fun and not extensively.
@@Chrightt Thank you for responding! I am looking forward to your covering of the hammer, greathammer, and greatswords. I understand leaving bows for last, which I presume will be broken up into light, normal, and greatbows, with crossbows and balistas getting their own videos? I do want to ask, will you cover shields and torches as well, or just proper weapons?
Eagerly awaiting your Greataxe video whenever it is completed.
@@Chrightt HALBERD HYPE
@@Chrightt please lnclude reapers in halberd video
I would like to add that Thunderbolt (which is a great AoW and really popular with offstoc) scales greatly with weapon AR AND dexterity scaling. So a keen estoc with 80 dex has a neat boost to your damage compared to the cleanrot's
Bolt was fun, now every time someone runs away to use it I die inside
something interesting about antspur is that below +6, cold seems to increase the rot buildup rather than lower it, as you would expect. my +5 invader has 75 rot on the antspur, according to the menu. if my understanding of status mv is accurate, you'd be dishing out 135 rot with a single dual wield attack; a player in full veteran's would need nearly 40 vigor to avoid being rotted in two L1s 🤢
Oooo that's perfectly for me 🤨
I regularly use the Antspur Rapier with the blood infusion and Poisonous Mist ash of war, as it is surprisingly convenient being able to inflict 3 different status effects with a single weapon.
Hands down, most underrated ER channel on YT. 😌☕️🙏
Thanks for the upload, amazing quality content as always.
I've spent a lot of time pvping with twin antspurs, on an arcane build, its a blast. Blood infusion reliably procs as the powerstanced thrusting swords hit a lot. Throw blood tax on the main hand and whatever you prefer on the offhand- this is more of a bleed build though, if you prefer to keep it dot based then poison will do the trick.
Excellent timing, I was expanding my weapon collection on my Strength character and was wishing you had done Thrusting Swords.
Half hour later, this video arrived! It's not even my birthday!
Hmm, no mention of Poison Antspur with Seppuku though... Or as I call him, "panic attack on a stick" on offhand with main hand Frozen Needle for the projectiles could be funny.
Or, mainhand poison/seppuku Antspur with... Grafted Dragon offhand... Shh, don't tell anyone...
The anstur is probably better in the main hand in that case. The powerstanced moveset on thrusting swords is 1 hit with each weapon on the first L1, but then 3 hits on the mainhand and 0 hits on the offhand on the secnd hit. Since the Antspur has so many status effects on it thats the one you want getting the triple hits probably
@@TheKripox True for basic R1 combos, but the running, jumping, and rolling attacks use both swords properly and having Frozen Needle in your offhand doesn't allow you to use its unique R2. Also it technically has a usable (but mediocre) Ash of War during Seppuku buff, which lasts a good amount of time, during which your L2 button does nothing else.
In reality, the ideal usage is two Antspurs, both of which are Bleed infused. I just like to think about unusual setups sometimes.
I enjoyed using a Poison Antspur as an offhand for bosses, and then two handing my main after proccing both, it was cool seeing the green glow turn red.
Pay attention guys...THIS is how you make a game tutorial guide! Well done sir, well done. 👏
the term offstoc comes from ds3, in which the estoc was the best offhand weapon for pvp (mostly paired with gotthard's twinsword)
also good video
tbf offstoc is a leftover name from ds3 and since the estoc is also in elden ring its pretty easy for it to carry over
Nobles estoc is for casters and has low requirements. Sacred blade ash adds flat 81 holy damage to nobles estoc and stacks on the sacred infusion and holy shrouding tear. And the projectile hits hard, I consider it faith’s moonveil with zero point investment necessary for prophet starting class. The r1s with the buff literally shreds people to ribbons while triple rings finishes them off.
Antspur is terrifying if made poison and given Seppuku, as then you get three of the seven status effects from a single weapon. Seeing as frostbite can easily be gained from sources such as sorceries and incantations (or even wielding it alongside a Frozen Needle), and since the other three are much more niche and for the most part require you to build specifically for only (one of) them, I'd dare to say that the Antspur is one of if not the best status affliction weapon currently in the game.
Good new! Antspur rapier works with cold now, and it’s really good. Great for spamming into Fingerprint users
Another thing to mention, the keen (or heavy, quality, std) ant spur is also the only rot inflicting weapon you can apply greases to. When you buff one with rot grease it will proc SR insanely fast. Duel wielding two with the grease is actually just broken when you proc with ghost hits. Also bleed antspurs are broken in the low level PvP scene
I can't wait for the colossal sword guide, even if it is just use The Greatsword. I'm curious how the godslayer does as well as the royal.
My main character has been running a dex/int build with power stance cold thrusting swords, rogier's in the main hand and estoc offhand. It's been a lot of fun!
I’m playing a cleanrot cleric rn and the antsbur with fire infusing and quickstep is pretty awesome so far. I get a bunch of decent damage in and when the rot procs I back off and throw spells. Really fun playstyle
noble's estoc is still the drippiest thrusting sword
Drippiest?? What does that mean?
@@jeremygrant1325 best looking
Offstoc is of course called that because the estoc was overall the best in ds3
Which makes me wonder, did you do any pvp in the previous games? Of course it probably wasn’t worth mentioning why offstoc is called offstoc in either case, I’m just curious :)
I didn't do any resources for DS3 although I've heard of the offstoc for DS3. Just figured it's time to correct it!
Weirdly, the Zweihander scales pretty well with dexterity provided you don't mind the investment into strength to be able to use the weapon - it seems like a curved greatsword in disguise. It's probably the one colossal sword which prefers the cold estoc. Sounds like a fun build to just be able to go through the game and try out a lot of weapons without doing very many respecs.
It makes sense cause it's the lightest colossal sword and they probably want at least one of them to be a dex option. Its base is both D scaling too, so yeah.
Frankly the best UGS for non STR builds. I run it on my INT and FTH characters too.
I like running off poison antspur with main needle for lots of procs. I use the hp regen shield on off hand for long invasions and block pokes and a misericorde main with it as well for sneaky back stabs. It’s a pretty survivable build with high points of damage between power stance rapiers and a stabby dagger that are really rewarding for correct spacing
Crightt can you give us a breakdown of how diminishing returns work? Along with recommendations based on the math.
For instance, Dragoncrest Greatshield Talisman:
at 0 dmg neg (no armor) = +20
at 32 dmg neg (armor) = +13
at 51 dmg neg (armor, G Vow, Crab) = +9
Not sure if this interests you, but I'd love to know how to most optimize my buff stacking.
In relation to damage negation, it actually gets better. AR-wise it gets worse. I can probably clear this up.
@@Chrightt It'd be awesome if you did. I appreciate your work.
You can use Poison Mist + Bleed Infusion on an Antspur Rapier. After you use your weapon art, the weapon gets coated in posion. So you inflict Poison+Bleed+Rot with every attack. (Seppuku+Poison Infusion also works the other way). Also, rapier powerstancing moveset makes you hit with your main hand weapon 3 times very quickly. Use this on your main hand when powerstancing.
I noticed that the Rogier's Rapier is usually not that for off the Estoc in most cases for AR and though it a bit weird this was never mentioned
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much appreciated.
Just a perfect series, worth paying close attention to.
The weight dimension here is more important after 1.06 due to the light roll. If you want to carry an offhand thrusting sword while both hitting the poise breakpoints and light rolling, rapier’s low weight makes it a really great option.
Can you make a vid about the fists/claws? I love to use them.
Great content as always!
Bloody Helice in the right and Rogiers rapier on the left is all I run
Wishing poison was a debuff to stamina recovery...
Red rot for health.
Green poison for stamina.
Sleep for Mana burn.
I've never seen anyone mention the fact that if you light attack after a feint it does your backstep attack, which is incredible useful considering how long rage the thrusting swords backstep attack is
Did not know this
Do you happen to know what the frame data difference between left and right handed light attacks is? I believe the thrusting sword had faster left handed attacks in past games, too. Guide much appreciated nevertheless, you do fantastic work.
Mainhand light attack 1 startup: 15 frames (in 30 FPS so 30 frames in 60 FPS)
Offhand light attack 1 startup: 13 frames (in 30 FPS)
@@Chrightt Thank you very much.
@@Chrightt so an off hand thrusting sword is strictly faster than a 1 handed RH thrusting sword? (just want to make sure I'm not missing anything)
Now it sounds decent! Thanks for another good video.
I love comboing Rogiers rapier with other rapiers. People don't expect a quick The heavy attack after the end of a chain-attack
Frozen Needle carried me hard on my thrusting sword playthrough. It was always my main hand weapon while I interchanged offhands based on the situation/ash of war required.
I've been doing a spell sword playthrough that focuses on feint as well. I've been using the frozen needle and Rogers rapier (off hand) so far, but I'm sure this will change my mind set some.
Antspur Rapier with seppuku infused with poison is a fun weapon, the only weapon you can do 3 status types at the same time I believe.
Hey Chrightt, I find your videos informative to say the least. Will you be doing a greatsword comparison? I’d like to see the length difference between the Claymore, the Knight’s Greatsword and the Banished Knight’s Greatsword. I also don’t mind having some data on the Iron Greatsword as well. Anyway, keep up the great work.
100%. This vid is taking a while but if its the range you want to see, you'll get to see it soon with a bonus range video.
@@Chrightt Awesome! I can’t wait.
Odd little tip: Feinting the 2nd heavy attack of 2-handed estocs is much faster than all other feints. I'm not 100% sure, but I think it might even true combo from the first heavy.
The comment I wanted to see! I've been using this for the last month in pvp, it's really good but it's not a true combo unless you land your first R2 fully charged. It's also nearly always connects when the opponent tries dodging forward after the first R2. This alone makes the (2H) Estoc pretty much the best Thrusting sword imo.
The weapon excels in rollcatches with it's R1, running R1, running R2 and both jump attacks. Use this to pressure the opponent into rolling sideways or forwards which you can easily counter with the Estoc's standing R2 (uncharged) and then follow up in the feint to catch them off guard.
Its only true downsides are the lowish poise damage (89 on 2H R2 (normal and feint)) and how it's not exactly easy to time the feint cancel as fast as possible as your input gets eaten if you do it too early.
I forgot to mention, there is actually a way to true combo this in the uncharged version but it's only possible when your opponent is literally standing against you. Connect the first uncharged R2 while unlocked, then use a reverse R2 feint so that you land right next to your opponents right shoulder. The opponent will be hit twice nearly instantly, but I wouldn't say it's really worth the hassle.
@@reflexassassin I didn't know it would combo from a fully charged R2, but I guess it makes sense since the extra stagger time outweighs the extra recovery. I'll have to try that trick for true comboing from an uncharged R2. I usually run Estoc with Storm Stomp so a point blank R2 isn't unreasonable to get.
Regarding inputs getting eaten, so long as you are holding circle and R2 simultaneously the feint will come out immediately. Hope that helps.
@@omnibot5848 Storm Stomp is really good with the Estoc, however using the R2 into R2 feint after SS will hit way less often due to the opponents faster stun recovery after 2 hits (SS into R2) instead of 1 (just the first R2).
And there's no way haha I've been practicing the timing in between every invasion for nearly a month! I'll try it out tomorrow but I'm pretty sure I've tested that before. Maybe it might be because I'm on ps4? Anyways thanks for the tip it could change my life if I was really that stupid not to have tested that haha.
Also if I might ask where you got that knowledge from? I can't seem to find much info about this weird feint cancel.
@@omnibot5848 omg it actually does work! Thx for letting me know haha I feel kinda dumb now.
I’d like to see halberds!
thank you! I really enjoyed the video!
The fact that antspur and inflict *scarlot rot* and still be infused but the frozen needle can't is damn criminal.
I think dual Cleanrot would make amazing when main is set to Cold and off is set to Fire
Hey Chrightt I wonder how current this data is was there a patch? I think. Love your work am buying your book to support your work.
I've stopped playing Elden Ring, but I'm still watching your videos!
❤️ You can prep some knowledge for DLC! (Might make some vids for sunbreak too!) Thanks for the support.
Great content! Gonna try OFFROT
First time i hear about offstock, I've never seen anyone use that in duels. It sounds like a great idea though, in fact I did something similar back in DS3. My quality build character used the Profaned Greatsword in the right hand and a straight sword in the left, it was great for doing mixups and catching people off-guard.
offstoc/offrot is actually very often used by more competitive players because of how fast/long it is. If you do a lot of duels, I'm surprised you managed to not see anyone use this yet.
Great video!
Oh golly gosh, i just got mad lucky with suddenly getting 2 Noble Estocs one after the other, so this video is perfect for me
I wish there was a cheaper Rot spell to run with Antspur other than Rotten Breath since I like to run non-buffing spellswords and don't want to powerstance two of them, especially since the L1 for powerstanced rapiers is just one jab with your offhand and 4 followup stabs with the right. It just feels like you can get the same mileage out of one-handing the thing and running "zone" spells to compliment its poke nature.
Then again, Bloodhound Step is "banned" by most duel clubs so I'm already doing things wrong. /shrug
I don’t believe the cold infusion is a bug on the antspur rapier. If you scarlet rot a boss and then frostbite them it will reset the rot proc and you’ll have to re inflict rot which will also reset the frostbite. I think it’s intended to be that way.
Makes sense based on the Haligtree being hidden behind the Mnt Tops. Frost trumps Rot?
@@nathreetimesnineequalstwen7172 I think is because scarlet rot is treated as fire damage. And that removes the frostbite debuff, that's why you can clean scarlet rot, poison and frostbite with flame cleanse me incantation
@@dreadknight0 No, it was a bug confirmed. It was fixed in the latest patch.
Just wanted to add that thrusting sword powerstance has a super low stamina cost, and is great for applying bleed on blood infusions. It does favor the main hand a lot since the second L1 is a triple thrust with the main hand. So blood antspur mainhand with cleanrot/estoc off-hand can give you some major damage in PvE.
Poison Affinity/Infusion plus Seppuku on the Antspur Rapier, triple status, quad of you use Cold Affinity/Infusion on the off-hand thrusting sword.
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I'm still gonna call it Offstoc since tradition, I'll just call the Cleanrot the Rotstoc instead.
Wow the frozen needle is so good I didn’t know astel wing was the only other weapon with a free projectile (moonlight GS isn’t free)
I got it pretty early in my strength build and it’s been in my right hand as a range back up or fast attacking trash mob back up ever since
I know it’s dex but it’s still so good it was the second thing I upgraded to +9 and probably soon +10
Completely off topic on this video because it’s talking about the off hand uses but damn is it amazing in the right hand
Actually I do use a blood antspur in the offhand but it’s so I can duel wield and build up 3 status effects on an enemy then sit back and let the rot kick in
Usually I do that for runebears
I'm talking about thrusting swords in general so both mainhand (i.e. Rogier's and offhand - cleanrot/estoc) are discussed. However, there is a strong focus on off-hand versus other weapon types because thrusting swords are strong and popular on the offhand!
Also, Moonlight GS' weapon art calculates differently too as it is a weapon art. Just mentioning this as a side note.
What's the best AoW for a thrusting sword?
On a dex build I was thinking of having dual thrusting swords, with the main hand being frozen needle to use the projectiles. Also dual wielding is useful for building status, but what I'm trying to decide is if it would be better to cold infuse the offhand weapon to get that proc faster, or keep it keen for better spear talisman counterhits. Since frostbite increases all damage taken, does the math come out to where offhand frost estoc or keen estoc comes out on top?
It will likely depend on how many hits it takes to proc frost, and your stat spread. I’d try it both ways and see how it works out on average in PvP. If you’re able to proc frost reliably while still having keen on the offhand that’s probably better, but if you aren’t proccing frost consistently I’d put cold on the offhand. Reliably getting the frost proc will outweigh the AR deficit.
@@wbhandy It's gonna be a fairly straightforward dex build. Vagabond RL 90, with 60 vig, 10 mind, 18 end, 15 str, 41 dex (+Millicent's prosthetic and dex crystal tear to get to 56), 9 int, 9 faith, 7 luck.
Weapons like Varrés Bouquet, Frozen Needle, Serpentbone, Treespear and Dragon Greatclaw are all unique and fun and cool looking weapons but are all severely handicapped but the inability to infuse them whenthey dont even have a unique ash to compensate...
I wish they removed the restriction, or, if theyre going to make weapons with non unique ashes be uninfuseable then atleast give them useful ashes that arent usually useable on that category, for example Frozen Needle could have Frozen Spear Ash... how did i come up with that but they didnt? This game is sonehow behind Ds2 in the possibilities for variety.
Wrong on tree spear. 13 int 40 fth and orders blade make it absurdly powerful. In fact my build was originally 50 fth 13 int but it was so overkill I’m pvp I dropped the fth to keep things interesting. Despite being holy it can be holy buffed and the damage massively over comes resistantances and it’s better to level fth than to level dex for it. Way better. I only wish great claw let you do the same with lightning
@@holyspear26 wdym wrong? Youre still stuck with the weapon art that isnt unique nor that useful and that doesnt change with the weapon being good or not, unless the weapon has a 100% unique ash, it not beinh infuseable with a generic ash will always be a negative.
@@vitorvena don’t need a weapon art when you can 3 shot most people. The r2 is practically the weapon art with 1500+ dmg on a charged double hit. Try it and use orders blade incantation instead of the ash. The spear scales with fth and you’d be getting double faith scaling with a spell buff.
@@holyspear26 yes i know its strong but that isnt the point and you literally states why my point was made in the first place, you dont use the ash you buff it with something else entirely because the ash isnt useful and it would be better and more fun uf we could change it since its not a unique ash to begin with... sure if they did that they might have to nerf something like scaling or maybe damage but thats off topic...
I dont understand why this is even being debated in the first place.
Antspur with seppuku and poison or occult affinity. Works for me
You should put together a lightning dex build.
Rapier is not a great pick for crit damage in PVE. It is, out of thrusting swords. But there are better weapons to choose. Keep in mind that the motion values from the data mining, are not correct for PVE. The actual values are especially different for large enemies. Also the crit attack animations change for large enemies. Making every weapon do crits in two separate damage chunks. So the smaller weapons that would otherwise do one damage chunk, loose their edge even more.
Halberds are great for riposting smaller pve enemies. doing one large damage chunk. Can do more than Misericorde. Colossal weapons work well against large enemies. Especially with blood infusion. Because it can trigger bleed with the crit alone. Executioner's Greataxe is almost as good as Giant-Crusher, for being a crit specializing weapon.
You should talk about that dagger that has the longest glintstone pebble animation
I did in my dagger video. It kinda sucks because that special glintstone pebble doesn't do any poise damage and deals less damage uncharged.
Frozen needle rocks damage-wise with the Blue Dancer and the Spear Talisman. But is does no fucking poise damage. Poise tanks just rush you down. Spacing is hard because of the netcode. The only way i managed to make up for all that somewhat is Bestial Sling and Wrath of Gold. It's kinda absurd that Bestial Sling is a much more powerful pressure tool then your mainhand weapon.
Impaling Thrust is good against fingerprint trolls, but not particularly against anything else.
P. S. Also Keen Rapier has A in Dex, and this does not because it's a "unique weapon". The damage could be better after all.
love the maths but noble's IS stylish as fuck so i definitely hace to take this into consideration still...
A bit off topic but what's a good ash of war for heavy Lance while using a greatshield?
For pve and PvP? Thanks. Using giant hunt at the moment just wondering if there is anything better. Seems good in pve and ok in PvP just hard to hit better players with it.
Great video too, speaking of the Lance would love to see heavy spears next video
Flaming Strike and Royal Knights Resolve are the other popular options.
@@Chrightt thanks
I'll be honnest, I have no clue why the Antspur is a normal weapon. It is broken OP to be able to infuse it with bleed while it also deals rot build-up.
Rapiers having stupid low stamina cost, it makes spamming it to inflick rot+bleed super easy...
So, best power stance for max level? Double ant or double clean rot for range?
Not to rub it in on everyone's faces, but 5 hours of farming with 200 or so discovery wrangled me 6x Noble's Slender Sword and 6x Noble's Estoc. I know some people would call me a lucky SoB, but I sorta just went on farming after getting my 1st slender sword & estoc in the 1st 2 hours. Are there really people who go on farming for hours without finding one? Single minded grinding seemed to work for me. Something similar happened to me when farming for the Bandit CS, where the1st CS dropped on the 2nd skeleton, and the 2nd dropped on the 7-10th skeleton after. Though it should be comparatively easier to get on paper, since it has a 3 times the drop rate of the both the estoc & slender sword.
Hey Chrightt, do you consider doing fist weapon in-depth breakdown and review?
I will!
@@Chrightt Omg man, you are so awesome, I am looking forward to seeing yet another awesome math dissertation on Elden ring.
It's interesting that outside critics, this video seems to focus on offhanding the thrusting swords, rather then main handing it. Is there any reason to one handing it? I know power stancing is useful but still
I have mentioned mainhanding thrusting swords (which also works with powerstancing) like Rapier/Rogier as an option. It has a large focus on off-handing thrusting swords in addition to mainhanding because that is the most common place you will see thrusting swords for PVP.
Will you cover every single weapon type?
Yep.
So the counterhit amplified damage only works with physical damage? Or did I hear that wrong? I cant find info on this anywhere
Uhh so, is antspur + frozen needle power stance kinda cursed or could it work 😅
I really like the look of them together and i think it's possible to combine in a build and max it out but idk if i should infuse the antspur with frost, fire, bleed or poison or just leave it.