Just to answer a few of the questions I’ve seen. The cars were run in 2H with stability control off. Somebody mentioned the rotors looking like they were glowing in the Raptor. That was just a reflection off a red car parked next to the dyno. Our friends at Maxx Performance recently tested the Raptor on a hub dyno and it achieved 253.2kW of power. Our assumption is the difference between hub and rolling road is in the tyres.
What was the torque figure they posted? 33 inch wheels don't loose you 50kw! That's the power of a small car. I guarantee you they ran the cars back to back without accounting for the bigger wheels on the raptor
Picked up my Ranger Raptor on Thursday last week, first one in victoria from Sunbury Ford. It is unbeliveable. Smoothest ride, unreal power and so so much fun to drive. I went for the Shadow black and it looks amazing. Its a bit thirsty got 450km roughly from first tank but was having plenty of fun it of course! Could not recommend a car more than this. Love your video's hope you get yours soon!
Hey I just watched the video because I'm looking to buy one here in México, but the thing that's keeping me back is the gas mileage. How has your experience been so far with regular usage? I guess around 6 Km/L?
Those figures are very impressive. I watched a video on the old 3.2 ranger and after a dyno tune it only manager somewhere in the high 300’s NM torque which was well below the stated figure of 470NM. I’ve driven the new sport and it does have some serious oomph to it. Looking forward to my sport arriving early left year. My sons trend will arrive next week.
Hmm , my old VE 6.0 SS Ute with a few basic mods , headers, exhaust,cam, tune cold air intake made 315 RWKWs . Made 224 RWKWs stock, puts things in perspective
Paul as others have stated, the figures don't make sense. 200kw + 2500kgs there's no way figures like that will achieve sub 6 sec 0-100. A couple of the lads below have done some calculations which would indicate the raptor should be closer to 260-270kws.
I think we can all agree we need a second DYNO run on these cars. Its obliviously a great interest to a lot of people so someone to explain the process as they go and different requirements between each car when setting up the DYNO.
The calculations are inaccurate. Dynos don't measure power the measure torque. Power is a calculation of torque X rpm. Notice how there is no RPM listed instead it is speed. So they have not done the calculations properly. It's not possible that the Raptor has lost a similar percentage of torque but so much more power.
@@tersy9862It just does not make sense on the raptor lost, both diesel 3.0 2.0 lost 35hp/37hp...with the most additional lost to raptor big wheel should be another 40hp+. With 120hp lost just too much.
gday paul good video and interesting how car companies are changing the design of cars, but i still like the old classic no-fuss cars so i was wondering if you would do a troopy 10 seater or normal troopy review. i know tou have done th 76 review but really interested to the troopy cheers
Ford very much underrated the TQ number. Considering the drivetrain loss all of these are making much more than their claimed flywheel TQ to the wheels.
Everyone freaking out about the loss of power - engine/@wheels - in the Raptor. No one is taking in to consideration the torque converter. If the torque converter was designed with performance in mind, then dyno power isn't necessarily going to be optimal. Also, the design of a torque converter will have a big impact on the peak torque and curve.
The raptor lost the most Kw power - almost 90kw, quite a bit. Important to look at the graph too. Its not all about outright power, its how you get there
So, basically it has almost 30% loss of power from indicated figures to on wheels figures….I’m a bit disappointed really. 1/3 less on wheels is bloody considerable….
That Ranger Raptor seems to be either losing a lot of power through its drive train or that engine isnt making close to 292kw considering the diesel version
Nice work good to see someone testing all 3 on the same day on the same dyno , but how do you explain the two diesels having a rear wheel figure of 26 and 27 kw less than the claimed engine out put, but the petrol is 88 kw less ? So does that mean the claimed should be approx 231 kw not 292 or is someone drawing a very long bow...
Good for comparing between the models as done same day, similar atmospheric conditions on same dyno so rather than absolute numbers have a comparative evaluation. Would be nice to do the numbers on a hub dyno to eliminate the variables with tyres, tie down and connectivity to the rollers. Obviously can't take the engines out and put them on an engine dyno!
I want a raptor, just not prepared to deal with all the issues that will come with it, not to mention dealing with Ford themselves with warranty claims. Such a shame
292 claimed dyno 204 . In comparison when the BA turbo was released on the dyno 205 . Claimed 240kw Raptor doesn’t seem right. No idea with utes, but sedans typically lost 40kw throughly the drivetrain
For those interested the power loss from flywheel to wheel as a percentage Raptor - 30.1% V6 - 14.1% Bi-turbo - 17.5% curious why its so high on the Raptor
What a coincidence that the V6 RAPTOR output on the dyno is 274hp at the wheel, which is almost the same amount of power that the brand declares in Europe for the same model and same engine 292hp ( europe ) WHAT A COINCIDENCE… Probably if we put on the dyno the European one, the output hp at the wheel will be the exact same 274hp… im almost certain.
That was really interesting, I’m guessing Ford is outright lying about the flywheel power, haha. Any chance of chucking the last gen two litre on the dyno?
@@Ozsmallbore to be fair it was every Japanese manufacturer in the late 90’s who started that trend with the mandated 206kw ceiling. And it’s continued with Porsche and the other sporty euro’s, maybe they release power figures with that being the lowest limit to make sure to avoid class actions.
hi paul on my gt3 you can pull the gear paddels back at the same time and the trans gos in to neutral give it a mouth full back end puts the power were needed dos this new raptor do this
Don't they have the same graph using RPM rather than speed? Would prefer seeing the numbers over the rpm range. Unless I read the graph wrong. Wasn't all that clear 😔
The dyno graphs are frustratingly incomplete, showing only the peaks. Better if poss to show against rpm and definitely would have been more useful if all teats shown on one sheet to see relative strengths at all engine speeds. Also, what fuel was the petrol engine using? The power depends on fuel according to Ford. Would be good to see a test with 98 and another with 95 or even less like 91, as this is the only fuel available in some markets.
Hmm a 30% powertrain loss for the raptor engine vs 14% powertrain loss for the V6TD and 17% for the 4TD engine. Why such a massive driveline loss on the raptor?
Great, that said, I would still strongly suggest not to drag race 10 year-old hatchbacks, use the power for more useful stuff like towing a trailer, etc.
True. Considering how fast the raptor was for such a heavy weight i was expecting it to have minimal loss. I thought ford would have underrated that engine. I was expecting to see it have similar numbers to a barra 270t.
@@mvnorsel6354 Only a risk if it is found at fault. you can modify your car and it doesnt void factory warranty. but if something breaks and what you modified is found directly at fault, that is when it voids your warranty.
@@fakenews3676 yeah, thinking that it might be for increased air flow, I am sceptical on whether a winch may be installed or not. On the other hand, I cannot think that Ford hasn’t taken into account that many users will be willing to install a winch
Something doesn't seem right, the Raptor lost shit loads more power than the other two, drivetrains are basically the same between the V6 versions, same gearbox, surely the larger tyres cant account for the huge difference, Raptor 88kW difference, V6 Diesel 26kW, 4 cyl 25kW
Yep I’m moving away from diesel. DPF, DEF, EGR they have become too complicated and not easily fixed anymore. Petrol or diesel, if you break down chances are it’s a tow job.
Wont be buying a Ford ever again. Had a bad CV drive shaft. No warranty on 2020 model Ranger. Reason 50mm lift suspension upgrade🤬Any mod and your screwed
These power figures are completely inaccurate! There is no way the raptor is loosing that much power without the same loss in torque. I can tell this simply because the dyno has provided speed rather then RPM. So someone has either not calculated all the corrections for gear ratios tyre size ect.. or there is a figure incorrectly inserted into the dyno. Dynos measure torque and power is a calculation. Power = (torque X rpm)/5252 I've reversed your figures and can see that the raptor is making peak power at 2000 rpm. Not only does this look wrong on the dyno graph because the raptor is making power all the way to the end of the rev range. And that would imply the raptor redlines at about 3000 RPM. From other dynos in the US and the fact this is a petrol, this engine makes peak power at about 3500. Also using the same calculation on the V6TD it's making peak torque at 1536 which sounds about right but still looks wrong with the speed scaling. Would also be good to see the dyno graphs side by side to see where peak torque is made and what the torque graph looks like in comparison between the engines. Peak figure are almost irrelevant
@@Ozsmallbore prove me wrong it's simple maths The dyno doesn't know how fast the engine is spinning only the wheels. If I make a small calculation error in diff ratio or tyre size it throws off the power figure massively. 535 Nm x2000 rpm / 5252 = 204 kw 535 NM x2500 rpm / 5252 = 254 kw Let's say there is a big drop off in torque but it's making peak power at 3500 which is more realistic. 400Nm X 3500 rpm / 5252 = 266 kw which is still more then their figures with 400Nm
@@Ozsmallbore you're making some pretty big assumptions about both parties bud, and as the saying goes, assumptions just make an ass of you! How do you know that Tersy isn't a Dyno expert himself? Why do you assume the guys doing the Dyno here are any good?
@@jarrod1687 you are correct but not correct. The loss is in torque which results in a lower power figure. But that's not being reflected in the dyno figures. They all have about a 8 to 10% loss in torque. If the raptor had a 35% drive train loss you would see 380Nm being displayed not 535. And yes if we put on 35 inch tyres on and then ran it again the torque figure would drop more. But you need to put the calculations into the dyno to get the correct power figure.
A lot of the figure here look totally wrong as evidenced by what you expected to see with the diesels vs what numbers you turned out. A lot of people here are questioning the Raptor loses at 30% but it's the 15% loses of the diesels that's wrong. Have a look at dyno sheets for any vehicle and see what the loses are - they are all around 25 - 30%. The Y62 dynos at about 190kw and has the same power and torque as the Raptor. You guys need to go back a recheck your work, someone has made one or more errors. Read some of the comments bellow about the torque being down X% and power being down twice as much, which sounds like someone hasn't read the sheet properly. Also the curves for the two diesels look nothing like factory curves or the curves from any other Ford 2l Bi turbo. This is a dissappointing f^%ckup.
Just to answer a few of the questions I’ve seen. The cars were run in 2H with stability control off.
Somebody mentioned the rotors looking like they were glowing in the Raptor. That was just a reflection off a red car parked next to the dyno.
Our friends at Maxx Performance recently tested the Raptor on a hub dyno and it achieved 253.2kW of power. Our assumption is the difference between hub and rolling road is in the tyres.
What was the torque figure they posted?
33 inch wheels don't loose you 50kw! That's the power of a small car.
I guarantee you they ran the cars back to back without accounting for the bigger wheels on the raptor
@@tersy9862 don't forget the diff ratio change, Ranger runs 3.31s and Raptor runs 3.73s
What modes were been used ? Be also interesting to understand if the different mode also effects the out come
Dyno skewed or the diesel is underrated. I’m going to blame the dyno.
@@tersy9862 100%. There is no way it's losing 50kw through tyres. Someone is lying... either Ford or car advice
Picked up my Ranger Raptor on Thursday last week, first one in victoria from Sunbury Ford. It is unbeliveable. Smoothest ride, unreal power and so so much fun to drive. I went for the Shadow black and it looks amazing. Its a bit thirsty got 450km roughly from first tank but was having plenty of fun it of course! Could not recommend a car more than this. Love your video's hope you get yours soon!
Hey I just watched the video because I'm looking to buy one here in México, but the thing that's keeping me back is the gas mileage. How has your experience been so far with regular usage? I guess around 6 Km/L?
Loving the videos Paul. Keep them coming 👍👍👍
Looking forward to seeing some ECU tuning to unleash a bit more out of this beast
Those figures are very impressive. I watched a video on the old 3.2 ranger and after a dyno tune it only manager somewhere in the high 300’s NM torque which was well below the stated figure of 470NM. I’ve driven the new sport and it does have some serious oomph to it. Looking forward to my sport arriving early left year. My sons trend will arrive next week.
Hmm , my old VE 6.0 SS Ute with a few basic mods , headers, exhaust,cam, tune cold air intake made 315 RWKWs . Made 224 RWKWs stock, puts things in perspective
Very interesting.... the v6 had identical numbers to my previous 3.2L ranger after stage 1. It was a weapon towing.....new v6 very sweet
Paul as others have stated, the figures don't make sense. 200kw + 2500kgs there's no way figures like that will achieve sub 6 sec 0-100. A couple of the lads below have done some calculations which would indicate the raptor should be closer to 260-270kws.
Does anything make sense when it comes to having fun?
I am impressed! I was imagining the 2.0 bi-turbo 4 cylinder getting lower wheel figures than it did….
when you speak to tuners, ford did a good job getting what they did out of hte motor, there is not much head room left in it for the tuners.
@@hrussell82 no wonder why the 2.0 bi-turbo of the previous gen Everest and Ranger was unreliable, oil leaking and transmission breaking
Be interesting to hear what Jason thought about the potential of the Raptor after shops such as his sprinkled some of their magic over it.
That Raptor sounds so bloody good 😢❤
That V6 diesel is awesome!!!!!
I think we can all agree we need a second DYNO run on these cars. Its obliviously a great interest to a lot of people so someone to explain the process as they go and different requirements between each car when setting up the DYNO.
Would be interesting to see why the raptor lost 30% from engine to wheels and the diesels only lost 15% (6cyl) and 18% (4cyl)
Among other things, tyre type and size can make a huge difference on a dyno
Big tyres on the raptor is my guess.
The calculations are inaccurate. Dynos don't measure power the measure torque. Power is a calculation of torque X rpm. Notice how there is no RPM listed instead it is speed. So they have not done the calculations properly.
It's not possible that the Raptor has lost a similar percentage of torque but so much more power.
@@tersy9862It just does not make sense on the raptor lost, both diesel 3.0 2.0 lost 35hp/37hp...with the most additional lost to raptor big wheel should be another 40hp+.
With 120hp lost just too much.
@@tersy9862 it might if the Raptor has a different diff ratio to the other two.
Is it just me or does the raptor appear to be dragging its rear brakes as in the opening shots it looks as if the rear discs are glowing?
I noticed that too
gday paul good video and interesting how car companies are changing the design of cars, but i still like the old classic no-fuss cars so i was wondering if you would do a troopy 10 seater or normal troopy review. i know tou have done th 76 review but really interested to the troopy
cheers
Great work Paul 👍👍
I would love to see a review of the new next gen Ford Everest Platinum 👍
There are already some out.
@@1989cranston I know there is but I wanna hear Paul's take on it
Standing by for it as well!
Ford very much underrated the TQ number. Considering the drivetrain loss all of these are making much more than their claimed flywheel TQ to the wheels.
Bring to the US quickly! (At a reasonable price)
What driving mode was the Raptor in when dyno’d?
So biturbo by far the best actually?
V6 diesel with a tune will be an absolute rocket 🚀
if you had to pick 1 of the 3 to build up into a tourer/track eater which one & why?
Everyone freaking out about the loss of power - engine/@wheels - in the Raptor. No one is taking in to consideration the torque converter. If the torque converter was designed with performance in mind, then dyno power isn't necessarily going to be optimal. Also, the design of a torque converter will have a big impact on the peak torque and curve.
The raptor lost the most Kw power - almost 90kw, quite a bit. Important to look at the graph too. Its not all about outright power, its how you get there
So, basically it has almost 30% loss of power from indicated figures to on wheels figures….I’m a bit disappointed really. 1/3 less on wheels is bloody considerable….
That Ranger Raptor seems to be either losing a lot of power through its drive train or that engine isnt making close to 292kw considering the diesel version
I thought the same. The loses are massive compared to the others. Not sure why they are so different???
The raptor is a beast.... can you review the corolla cross too if it available there 🙏🙏
Nice work good to see someone testing all 3 on the same day on the same dyno , but how do you explain the two diesels having a rear wheel figure of 26 and 27 kw less than the claimed engine out put, but the petrol is 88 kw less ? So does that mean the claimed should be approx 231 kw not 292 or is someone drawing a very long bow...
Bigger tyres on the Raptor showing the difference in those deltas!
Would be interesting to know how much the previous V6 Amarok TDI makes as a comparison
About 165kw at all 4 wheels typically (more than a V8 cruiser) on overboost (200kw mode)
That big, flat, fat torque curve on the Raptor shows why modern petrol engines can make excellent tow vehicles.
Good for comparing between the models as done same day, similar atmospheric conditions on same dyno so rather than absolute numbers have a comparative evaluation. Would be nice to do the numbers on a hub dyno to eliminate the variables with tyres, tie down and connectivity to the rollers. Obviously can't take the engines out and put them on an engine dyno!
Hub dyno number we've seen is around 250kW.
@@CarExpertAus What numbers did the diesels turn on the hub dyno?
Is it my eyesight or are the rear break disks glowing red on the Raptor? Maybe why the HP is down someone left the handbrake on 😮
I noticed that too
I want a raptor, just not prepared to deal with all the issues that will come with it, not to mention dealing with Ford themselves with warranty claims. Such a shame
Fuck yes! Decided to hold onto my GTS for now. But that Raptors got my eye.
292 claimed dyno 204 . In comparison when the BA turbo was released on the dyno 205 . Claimed 240kw Raptor doesn’t seem right. No idea with utes, but sedans typically lost 40kw throughly the drivetrain
Same with out VZ SS back in the day. Dyno’d 203 kw atw for a claimed 250kw. Not sure what, but something is up with the Raptor.
For those interested the power loss from flywheel to wheel as a percentage
Raptor - 30.1%
V6 - 14.1%
Bi-turbo - 17.5%
curious why its so high on the Raptor
7 seconds into the video the rear discs looks like its glowing? surely they didnt have the handbrake on....
@@dankim3950 reflection
I’ve pinned a comment that explains why it looks like they were glowing.
What a coincidence that the V6 RAPTOR output on the dyno is 274hp at the wheel, which is almost the same amount of power that the brand declares in Europe for the same model and same engine 292hp ( europe ) WHAT A COINCIDENCE… Probably if we put on the dyno the European one, the output hp at the wheel will be the exact same 274hp… im almost certain.
That rear rotor looks to be glowing red on the Raptor. Got some traction control or handbrake issue going on there?
Might help explain the bigger percentage of power lost vs the diesels aswell
On their website Paul explains that it is just a reflection of a red car sitting next to it.
the 3.0l twin-turbo v6 petrol is huge difference than diesel and 2.0l in malaysia is only available in 2.0l including the recently launched everest
iv ordered a new white one build in oct delivered in nov carnt wait just a fue more sleeps then look out robe!
That was really interesting, I’m guessing Ford is outright lying about the flywheel power, haha. Any chance of chucking the last gen two litre on the dyno?
Exactly, no other realistic explanation. Tyres size may be a couple of %
@@Ozsmallbore to be fair it was every Japanese manufacturer in the late 90’s who started that trend with the mandated 206kw ceiling. And it’s continued with Porsche and the other sporty euro’s, maybe they release power figures with that being the lowest limit to make sure to avoid class actions.
HI, please review the newly facelifted VW T-Roc 2.0 liter TSi
Hows the airconditioning. Does it get hot in australia? Im from dubai and looking to buy one.
hi paul on my gt3 you can pull the gear paddels back at the same time and the trans gos in to neutral give it a mouth full back end puts the power were needed dos this new raptor do this
Don't they have the same graph using RPM rather than speed? Would prefer seeing the numbers over the rpm range.
Unless I read the graph wrong. Wasn't all that clear 😔
The dyno graphs are frustratingly incomplete, showing only the peaks. Better if poss to show against rpm and definitely would have been more useful if all teats shown on one sheet to see relative strengths at all engine speeds. Also, what fuel was the petrol engine using? The power depends on fuel according to Ford. Would be good to see a test with 98 and another with 95 or even less like 91, as this is the only fuel available in some markets.
98
Fullboost just put raptor on dyno made more power in awd over 2wd
So in Australia you don't get 392 like you said in other videos, just the 274 that the EU gets!
Hmm a 30% powertrain loss for the raptor engine vs 14% powertrain loss for the V6TD and 17% for the 4TD engine. Why such a massive driveline loss on the raptor?
30% loss of power from crank to wheels that’s pretty crappy. Meanwhile the diesel only loses 14%.. interesting. I wonder why such a big difference
Was hoping for power I crease at the end, when’s that coming
Will this it possible to dyno more often with different types of vehicles?
I have a raptor on order, can't wait to get my hands on it, will be keeping my 2021 raptor, still only has 50k on the clock
Please do Toyota hilux all brands just like you did Ford rangers
Doesn't add up.
Your numbers are inconsistent raptor lost HP at a higher rate then anything else?
they should put that v6 diesel on a raptor too
The 3.0 twin turbo is 292 bhp not 392bhp that explains the huge loss on the dyno 🤣🤣
Great, that said, I would still strongly suggest not to drag race 10 year-old hatchbacks, use the power for more useful stuff like towing a trailer, etc.
Guys, any repro for the v6 diesel ?
Wonder if the Raptor was in the right gear 🤔
Hi Paul how is that healthy numbers for the raptor I know you lose power through the drive train but by that much can anyone explain please
Rolling road dyno with 33" ats.
My own track car did 347kw on a hub dyno, then 295 on a rolling road one with its slicks on
Surely that 10 speed has a lot to do with the loss in driveline. Imagine the output with something more direct like a manual or DSG. Great vid.
The diesels use the same gearbox, their losses were far less.
I used to like this channel. I feel it's in bed with ford a little too much. Haven't ever seen any other dyno testing here....
Those Raptor numbers look off. You won't get the demonstrated acceleration with power to the rear wheels that low.
0:23 what's with the rake?!
How many of those jumpers do you own? ;)
Curious why the raptor’s hp is so low but the torque isn’t
Raptor loses a fair bit v6 diesel looks great
True. Considering how fast the raptor was for such a heavy weight i was expecting it to have minimal loss. I thought ford would have underrated that engine. I was expecting to see it have similar numbers to a barra 270t.
Massive drive train loss on the Raptor, need to see it on a different dyno though and with the exhaust fully open.
That's a lot of loss through the drive train. over a 100hp
A tune in that V6 diesel will quite an exciting beast. Top of my list so far as a replacement
Would you risk your 5 year warranty ?
@@mvnorsel6354 Only a risk if it is found at fault. you can modify your car and it doesnt void factory warranty. but if something breaks and what you modified is found directly at fault, that is when it voids your warranty.
Your vids are getting better and more interesting. Keep it up.
is it gonna make a difference if it's measured on a 4wheel dyno?
Only if its powering all 4 wheels
It should produce less power given the drivetrain loss of 4A.
What is the purpose of these louvers? Would the installation of a winch - most probably would be fitted at this position- cause any issue?
Probably to increase airflow at higher rpm
Either that or to increase induction sound
@@fakenews3676 yeah, thinking that it might be for increased air flow, I am sceptical on whether a winch may be installed or not. On the other hand, I cannot think that Ford hasn’t taken into account that many users will be willing to install a winch
@@SinoilJr not sure how many of the previous generation raptors had winches installed.
To decrease airflow in cold climates, so the heater can function.
@@mvnorsel6354 thats a nice point! In such case, the winch will take over this function:) @CarExpert , is it possible to check with Ford?
The driveline loss is much more significant in the Raptor!
I cannot believe the Raptor lost 30% of its power from FW to RW, that seems like a bad error
The Raptor obviously is over rated from the factory, shouldn’t lose that much power the the driveline !
I think that Ford need to do more work on their autos. My Everest feels like the gearbox wastes a lot of power. They are wonderful to drive though.
Something doesn't seem right, the Raptor lost shit loads more power than the other two, drivetrains are basically the same between the V6 versions, same gearbox, surely the larger tyres cant account for the huge difference, Raptor 88kW difference, V6 Diesel 26kW, 4 cyl 25kW
In Europe we gonna have 288hp on that Raptor😐
👍
Ford, its not 300kw, and thats generous in 2wd mode too
Petrol is the way
X2 complicated diesels are dead
Until you actually take them offroad and through water etc… the amount of petrols I’ve seen drown is hilarious…
@@-Awareness mate its 2022, petrols don't have dizzys anymore lmao
Yep I’m moving away from diesel. DPF, DEF, EGR they have become too complicated and not easily fixed anymore. Petrol or diesel, if you break down chances are it’s a tow job.
@@jarrod1687 LOL 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wont be buying a Ford ever again. Had a bad CV drive shaft. No warranty on 2020 model Ranger. Reason 50mm lift suspension upgrade🤬Any mod and your screwed
Interesting the raptor lost 30% power and the diesels far less
This guy must be paid to promote the new ranger, has to be!
Get rid of them.louvers and put a bigger intercooler
🤯🤯❤⚘
These power figures are completely inaccurate! There is no way the raptor is loosing that much power without the same loss in torque.
I can tell this simply because the dyno has provided speed rather then RPM. So someone has either not calculated all the corrections for gear ratios tyre size ect.. or there is a figure incorrectly inserted into the dyno.
Dynos measure torque and power is a calculation. Power = (torque X rpm)/5252
I've reversed your figures and can see that the raptor is making peak power at 2000 rpm. Not only does this look wrong on the dyno graph because the raptor is making power all the way to the end of the rev range. And that would imply the raptor redlines at about 3000 RPM. From other dynos in the US and the fact this is a petrol, this engine makes peak power at about 3500.
Also using the same calculation on the V6TD it's making peak torque at 1536 which sounds about right but still looks wrong with the speed scaling.
Would also be good to see the dyno graphs side by side to see where peak torque is made and what the torque graph looks like in comparison between the engines. Peak figure are almost irrelevant
Love how these keyboard experts know more about a business's dyno than the owner himself. Brilliant.😅
@@Ozsmallbore prove me wrong it's simple maths
The dyno doesn't know how fast the engine is spinning only the wheels.
If I make a small calculation error in diff ratio or tyre size it throws off the power figure massively.
535 Nm x2000 rpm / 5252 = 204 kw
535 NM x2500 rpm / 5252 = 254 kw
Let's say there is a big drop off in torque but it's making peak power at 3500 which is more realistic.
400Nm X 3500 rpm / 5252 = 266 kw which is still more then their figures with 400Nm
@@Ozsmallbore you're making some pretty big assumptions about both parties bud, and as the saying goes, assumptions just make an ass of you! How do you know that Tersy isn't a Dyno expert himself? Why do you assume the guys doing the Dyno here are any good?
My guess is the rpm is dyno rpm. Multiply that by diff ratio and you'll have wheel rpm.
*engine rpm
Raptor loss more due to 33” tyres
This is honestly the best way to destroy an engine 😊😊😊
Why waste your time Dynoing things that aren't worth it ?
# dont buy first gen
It was a beautiful car when I had it ,it gave me so much trouble ,quite upset really
Imagine the power loss on the raptor with 35s. 😬
Raptor - 30% drivetrain loss
Diesel v6 - 14% drivetrain loss
2.0 inline 4 - 17% drivetrain loss
Why the raptor loss so much?
33 inch tyres. Makes a massive difference. You lose about 20-30kw atw per tyre size you go up, so run 35s and it'll lose another 20 or so kw
@@jarrod1687 Sorry but that's BS. A few % points at most. Ford have obviously padded the Raptors figures.
@@Ozsmallbore ha ok, go watch some dyno vids of different tyre size on same car same dyno same day. Common knowledge in the offroad world
@@Ozsmallbore jarrod is right. Someone will put smaller tyres on it and best the 0-100 time and get a better dyno figure
@@jarrod1687 you are correct but not correct. The loss is in torque which results in a lower power figure. But that's not being reflected in the dyno figures. They all have about a 8 to 10% loss in torque.
If the raptor had a 35% drive train loss you would see 380Nm being displayed not 535.
And yes if we put on 35 inch tyres on and then ran it again the torque figure would drop more. But you need to put the calculations into the dyno to get the correct power figure.
A lot of the figure here look totally wrong as evidenced by what you expected to see with the diesels vs what numbers you turned out. A lot of people here are questioning the Raptor loses at 30% but it's the 15% loses of the diesels that's wrong. Have a look at dyno sheets for any vehicle and see what the loses are - they are all around 25 - 30%. The Y62 dynos at about 190kw and has the same power and torque as the Raptor.
You guys need to go back a recheck your work, someone has made one or more errors. Read some of the comments bellow about the torque being down X% and power being down twice as much, which sounds like someone hasn't read the sheet properly. Also the curves for the two diesels look nothing like factory curves or the curves from any other Ford 2l Bi turbo.
This is a dissappointing f^%ckup.
This Ford wa*kfest is getting cringy
Stacks more to come!
@@CarExpertAusthe raptor ones are interesting to watch but then I don't find the car practical, more like rich man's toy.
Over it too
@@CarExpertAus Haha Paul