As an ex-atheist (now a Christian) I became Christian first because of the evidence (Since atheism lacks evidence). Then I was filled with the Holy Spirit and then the laws of logic and design in creation and more and more evidence showed me that the most rational position is to be a Christian. The evidence falls on the side of this truth.
@@godislove363 shockofgod did not answer as to _why_ the position of atheism requires evidence. And will not, because my question, once again, goes to the heart of the matter. Again, Jacob you have lied. And your gig is over.
"They were under the Christian religion, thus they had nothing to worry about." - Man, the disciples, and hundreds of first century Christians were persecuted, tortured and killed for following Christ. And many thousands of Christ followers have been martyred since then, and it's still happening today.
The response to the first guy...that was really good! I never thought of that. If the apostles made up the resurrection, then by their Jewish beliefs (making up a false messiah), they would not be receiving heaven but hell upon death, and willing to go to hell for a lie that they know is a lie? A sane person would not do that.
@@ismaelmelville47 they do what? Die for something that is a lie? Yes, but they don’t know it’s a lie. As Frank Turek says.... people will die for something that is a lie that they think is the truth, but nobody dies for a lie that they know is a lie. And the 12 apostles would be in a position that they would know if Jesus actually rose from the dead or if it was a lie.
@@sandina2cents779 So that proves Jesus rose from death if it was witnessed and if the witnesses were martyred. 2 big if's that historians say is not strongly documented. First accounts appear 70 years afterwards. It could be true but it could also be Roman invention to agitate the Jews who were in rebellion.
@@ismaelmelville47 that is not true, there are many non-biblical references that document the accounts of the apostles and that they died for their testimony. One big one was Josephus. He was a Jewish historian that was not a Christian, ever. We have Roman records that Jesus was crucified. Others inc..Pauline letters, Josephus Tacitus, Thallus, Philopon, Lucian of Samosata, Mara Bar-Serapion, Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, The Talmud, Celsus, Acts of Pilate. Plus it wouldn’t make any sense that the Romans made it up. They wanted to squash any uprising to follow Jesus because they seen it as a challenge to the Roman rule. That’s why they put a crown of thorns on him and a sign that said king of the Jews. They wanted to make it clear that there is nobody above Rome. They would not have made up that he rose from the dead because no Roman emperor ever rose from the dead. That would put Jesus over Rome. Rome did not make it up.
@@sandina2cents779 I suggest you inquire into the historicity of this matter. Serious historians at best say that Jesus was probably a real historical person but the evidence even of Josephus, is disputed. In fact Josephus may have been part of a Roman plot to create Chistianity. Many sides. Not as strongly historic as the preceding works of Julius Caesar.
If they lied about the prophecy, Jesus rising from the grave, then they know it to be false meaning they know they won’t go to heaven because the prophecy wouldn’t have come true yet. They wouldn’t lie about something knowing they’re going to Hell because they would have been trying to force the prophecy.
@@rosspeterson2658 exactly idk what was so hard to understand about that i was thinking that the entire time when that dude was talking jt was so aggravating its crazy how ignorant some people CHOOSE to be
I ran across Cliff’s videos a few days ago. He’s one of the best pastor’s I’ve seen in America to date when it comes to reason and theology when having a discussion with people in regards to the gospel. I appreciate the fact that he comes prepared to answer other’s difficult questions and doesn’t avoid them like some may do.
Agreed. As one who is constantly working on and applying apologetics through my witnessing encounters, I enjoy listening to Cliff’ answers. I also try to to be as patient as he is when dealing with clearly confused people, as I was before being brought into God’ Kingdom. I may not always agree with Cliff’s answers but there’s no ultimate perfect answer for it must be God alone who changes the human heart and mind.
@@darkeen42 Peter and John were both there during the miracles, arrest, and crucifixion of Jesus. Peter was crucified upside down in Rome, and John was exiled to the Island of Patmos (The author of the three epistles of John and Revelation). Thomas was speared to death in India for the gospel (A man that said unless I see Jesus alive myself I won’t believe). Otherwise, he has no reason to risk his life. The Roman Proconsul put Philip to death for trying to covert his spouse (that seems bold). James was stoned to death in Syria according to Jewish historian Josephus. Simon was killed in Persia for refusal of sacrificing to the Sun God. Matthew was stabbed to death in Ethiopia. Bartholomew was killed in Arabia. Andrew was crucified in Greece. The only apostle that didn’t suffer a gruesome death (from the historical reports we have) is John. The Roman Empire had declared Christianity to be illegal within the empire and would typically be a death sentence at that time. It was not a life to be lived by anyone that desired the comforts of this world.
Cool part of that story of the woman with bleeding is that Jesus didnt see someone grab his garment he knew because it says he felt POWER go from himself.. That's awesome!
God bless you Cliff and your family, Keep standing for King Jesus and the Gospel been encouraged by your ministry for years, thank you from New Zealand
@@edaguilar1798 walk in his shoes before you Jugde, or maybe you like a super Prophet that can handle any problems that the world, people & satan & his fallen angels have to throw at us 😂
I pray for Cliffe and the people who he's preaching to, accept what he is preaching and I pray for the people who are listening, that they will accept Jesus into their hearts. Cliffe, you do a wonderful job, thank you !🙏❤
yes, we are disconnected from death now, we just make a phone call and someone else takes care of the body. people were intimately knowledgeable of the effects of death on a body
Just rollin' through and checking on the status of the resident trolls. Who are the regulars who have made their appearances thus far? (Especially for the sake of the uninitiated, so that you don't waste too much time.) 1. Bonnie43uk 2. Theo Skeptomai 3. Jason Noble 4. John Cashin (the least defiant/dogmatic of the bunch) Not too bad! That's about half of the regulars...
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 That's just his way of saying that he doesn't have the *answer* to anything, but that he does know that the *answer* to those who think they have an *answer* to everything (as if any such people exist), actually don't have an *answer* to anything at all! LOL _As if that makes any sense at all! Us humans, we're all kinds of crazy!_ 🤪
I’ve written an open letter to all atheists asking them to quit bugging us and leave. But the algorithms wouldn’t allow that letter to be posted because I guess it was a bit too unfriendly. But please go huh. Please.
I’ve written an open letter to all atheists asking them to quit bugging us and leave. But the algorithms wouldn’t allow that letter to be posted because I guess it was a bit too unfriendly. But please go huh. Please.
It's time to come to the University of Maine Gorham campus or even USM in Portland! I will after this coming winter make a trip to Connecticut to your church to at least meet you.
Everyone start preparing for the economic collapse and the tribulation now please ead this warning get prepared mentally,physically and most importantly spiritually and to trust in the most High God the KING of kings and the LORD of lords KING JESUS Christ always. be blessed.
There are people who died believing the lie (Islam) because they don't know the truth, but no one would die for a lie knowing it is a lie. Who didn't drink the Kool Aid? Jim Jones!
_Those not interested in accurate evidence are not interested in truth. Truth is context-driven; deceit is agenda-driven. In time, truth will be revealed for those with eyes to see._ cc. Discuss?
Belief in Jesus us not mere cold intellectual assent, which reduces it to an abstraction. It is a total heartfelt throwing in with him. The meaning of the word 'believe' has been tragically watered down from its original meaning to mean to hold a mild and easily swayed opinion that something is true. The original word is the prefix 'be' coupled with 'live' so you could leave out the second e and spell it 'belive' to make its meaning clear again, which is to live by the object of your belief, to totally change your life in accordance with it.
Cliffe, there is a way to prove that the Bible is the Word of God. Its called prophecy. Prophecy has the fingerprint of God all over it. And no other book or religion gives more prophecy than the bible that actually came true hundreds and thousands year later. God bless brother✝️❤
I think the problem with the prophecies in the Bible being a good evidence it is a real deal is that these prophecies are vague in their nature and cannot be clearly related so that people would see them without doubts. Like jews does not believe Jesus is the Messiah because all the prophetic revelations what the Messiah will do, did not match Jesus, one of it, is of course that the Messiah will bring peace on earth which did not occur with Jesus. So i believe the only real evidence that God is real and Jesus is the Lord and the Bible is truth is the personal revelation of the Holy Spirit. Only when that happens to you, things begin to get sense in the Bible and you begin to believe it as the Word of God.
@@nikokapanen82 the fact that over 300 prophecies were written about Jesus in the OT before He was even born and then fulfilling all 300 is practically impossible. Mathematical scholars say that even fulfilling 8 of those prophecies is 1x10 to the power of 21, that is 10 with 21 0's. Thats Gods fimgerprint
@@kdbkevin1588 Once again, each of those prophecies were so vague and unclear that historians do not take them seriously unfortunately, jews dont believe Jesus is the Messiah exactly because they say Jesus did not fulfill the prophecies about Him.
The penultimate man reminds me of Jerry Lewis to the appearance, and when he mentioned formula, my thoughts went towards the movie; The Nutty Professor (1963) Jesus said; I Am the Way, the Truth and the Life! No one comes to the Father except through Me! And the Words in The New Testament Rom 10: 9-13 is so true and good, thank you Jesus!
Might have been late 2009 because Cliffe mentioned the serial killer in Cleveland. That might have been Anthony Sowell the Cleveland Strangler who was apprehended in autumn 2009.
I’ve written an open letter to all atheists asking them to quit bugging us and leave. But the algorithms wouldn’t allow that letter to be posted because I guess it was a bit too unfriendly. But please go huh. Please.
lol exactly what I was about to comment, then I saw this... It feels like even if God will show Himself to this guy, he will say.. well.. prove me you are really God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
4:57 Riiight.... Because the Roman military couldn't really tell when anyone was dead. I mean that's how they managed to conquer all of the ancient world is because Roman soldiers had no idea if they'd actually killed somebody or not.
First guy.. That made no sense. I wish they would understand or get WHYYYYYY Jesus did to begin with... Such a great gift, the best one anyone cause have.
KJV Romans 8:1-14 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
They wouldn't have been benefited if they died knowing that Jesus didn't rise because they say before they gave themselves over to death that if Jesus was not raised our Faith is in vain meaning they would not benefit.
The Book of John was written to explain to us how to acquire everlasting life in heaven. Not once does John mention anything except faith in Jesus. He doesn’t mention repentance, turning from your sins, or anything else other than faith in Jesus. It is a simple “formula.” I think that all Scripture on this topic must mesh with areas of the Bible that are very clear on how you acquire salvation like John.
And what if not all scripture does mesh in that way? But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die. None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live. (Ezekiel 18:21-22)
I'm a fellow believer. I noticed ur video title. It made me think, but why anyone die for a lie is exactly true. The muslims kill themselves in the name of allah. How would we answer this. I was wondering if you know if there is a difference or not. I appreciate an answer, God Bless
Many people die because they believe something(even it’s a lie,but they truly believe it’s true ). It happens. But it’s rare for people willing to die for a lie they already know , earliest Christian die for what they saw and know (Jesus’s Miracle and crucifixion and resurrection) , not what they believe. So they are not deceived. Muslims at the time of Mohammad never saw any thing that proves Mohammad is a real prophet, they are just deceived by his words and surrendered by his violence , please check out Christian Prince ,David woods ,Mohammad faridi , adam seeker’s video
This goes beyond a mere mistake though. The apostles went into great detail about how they saw Him walking among the living again, then they communicated with and broke bread with Him before He ascended into heaven. The specifics are way too precise to be passed off as a 'mistake'. Again, it's either the truth or it's a lie.
4:33 I appreciate this man's questioning but it doesn't take a Harvard Med Grad to figure out if someone is dead, just because we live in the time of more modern medicine. Even if not dead he was sealed in Tomb for 3 days were death would be nothing but certain. A good bit of illogical thinking but pray he accepts Christ into his life some day
5:19, "it didn't matter to them now, because now they are under the christian religion" uhhh no, in order to be a christian, they would have to believe that Jesus actually DIED and ALSO RESSURECTED, and if they know that these events aren't true, they aren't christian. it's not like switching to another country and you say, "oh well i'm here so its not going to matter because that countries rule doesn't apply here", being a christian requires faith in something that the believer actually saw to have happened and if they didn't see it happen, then they simply don't believe
This is what happens when Ministers of the gospel lack spirit and gifts of the spirit. They use their intellectual capacity to help God saves people. The results arguing , arguing and arguing...
Why does God need help? Is it because He has been unable to convince one tribesperson ever to believe in Him? Only contact with a human being from a major religion has any tribesperson believed. Why so weak and invisible? I guess only God knows because you certainly would never have thought to ask yourself that question.
Cliffe, I saw what you did there around 7:00. First, you ask your interlocutor to agree that, even for $5,000 in cash, they can't "truly believe" that there is a pink elephant standing next to them.. and then you use this admission about "truly believe" a thing, as your proof that a group of men couldn't "SAY" a thing. For $5,000, I will happily SAY, (like an acting job, reading a script..) that I believe that I am standing next to an invisible, immortal, omnipresent magic sky daddy named Zeus. I can't "truly believe" that without actual, credible evidence.. but all I need for me to SAY it, is sufficient desire to obtain whatever benefit (whether $5k, or converts to my church..) I expect to get from making the statement. I confess, I came here looking for another of your videos (same sweater, same audience), where you say "Why do I believe in God? That's actually an important question." No, I'm sorry.. to ME, why YOU believe is neither important nor particularly interesting. And, from the explanation you gave after that quote, it seems obvious that the reason you believe God exists, is because you have presupposed that "God exists because God must exist". Part of your explanation was, basically, "everything which exists, must have a cause, therefore God must exist as that cause". But, that argument fails to prove that God is someTHING which exists, because, if "every thing which exists must have a cause", and if "God is some THING which exists" (i.e., your presupposition..), then "God must have a cause". BOTH of these arguments begin with the assertion "every thing which exists must have a cause". This is either true, or false, or indeterminate. If it is true, then either God must have a cause before Him, or God must not be any thing that has ever existed. If it is false, then the conclusion "therefore God exists as that cause", can not follow from the false initial premise. I do not claim that my argument has proven that no god exists or that there was some "metagod" that created God.. my only claim here is that the initial premise "every thing which exists must have a cause" is not evidently true and does not prove anything, especially not any "uncaused thing" which contradicts that initial premise. But, anyone is entitled to presuppose and then believe in the existence of a "special pleading" uncaused thing which causes all the other things.. just don't expect me to engage in the same presupposition.
@@bany512 you hit the nail on the head Peter when you said "story". There's little credible evidence to suggest any of the story of Jesus is real. Certainly it's an amazing story.
@@bonnie43uk Hello again :D Still replying to Christian comments with your baseless primary school atheistic arguments ? Why do you waste your time like that, Mr. ? Sorry, I dont remember your actual name :/
@@bany512 Tom Peter, or bonnie, I answer to both 😊 Yes, I'm still here Peter, to me, these conversations between Cliffe and the students are hugely thought-provoking and keep my mind ticking over, esp as I was raised to believe Christianity was true. It certainly isn't a waste of my time, ... according to your beliefs, my eternal salvation depends on accepting Christ as my savior does it not? .. that's a big deal isn't it? The more I think about it, and I do think about it a lot because of my Christian upbringing, the more I am convinced it's not true. How do we go about determining whether it's true Peter?
@@bonnie43uk Yeah, I apologize for being harsh, it wasnt meant in a bad way Tom. As for the Christianity, I guess Ive said already, cant exactly remember our last conversation, I wasn't a believer and was not raised one. I came to Christ after trying to live a "proper" sinner life plus trying New Age and Zen etc. As for the classic arguments, we already went through it the last time, so no need to repeat that. God Bless you Tom.
Christianity is actually nothing else but reality. That’s what it is. And everything else is simply, fantasy. This is the truth. This is the way that it is. Christianity is the truth. It’s the way. The truth. And the life. There is no other way to God except the way provided to us by Jesus Christ. He is God. He is our saviour. He is our great high priest. He is the way. There is no other way. This is reality.
There is a difference between killing yourself for gain and being MURDERED for what you believe. They didn’t set out to DIE- They set out to spread the gospel... Yes they one death was a great possibility, but it wasn’t done purposely to go to Heaven.... He’s describing 2 totally different motives and results.
We are save, buy trusting the finished work of Jesus on the cross. That he died for our sins was buried and rose on the 3rd day. The moment we trust the gospel of grace, we get baptized by the Holy Ghost. Not water. Water baptism, is for the kingdom gospel Israel/Jews. With some exceptions. The gospel of grace, is for the whole world.
Not what he's saying. People saw Jesus rise from being dead. Those people were then threatened, SAY Jesus didn't rise from the dead and we won't execute or kill you. They refused to LIE and say Jesus didn't rise so they were executed. They died maintaining their truth of Christ's resurrection.
People die for a lie ALL THE TIME! Ask anyone who believes in ANY theology and I'm sure there will be someone they can tell you about who died for their faith/belief.
Dying for a lie that you know is a lie is a completely different thing... The people who "die for lies all the time," are not aware that the lie is a lie. That's how deception works: You believe a lie to be true because you're unaware of the truth. The truth being that the lie is a lie. Ironically, this is how Satan leads us to death. Blindly us from the truth to make us unaware of it and then spreading deception. Make the lie appear as if it is not a lie at all, and have people believe the lie dressed up as "truth." No one would willingly die for a lie they know to truthfully be a lie; but many will die for a lie they do not know to be a lie.
@@xelvania1581 Of course and if you're convinced of something that MAY BE A LIE you would probably die also. Not hard to see this playing out today in political arenas!
...unless they'll die for telling the truth as well. For example: The disciples robbed the grave, which, according to Dr John Lennox, was a crime punishable by death. They made up the resurrection story in an attempt to avoid punishment for their crime. God is immortal; if Jesus ever died under any circumstance, then Jesus was not immortal: Jesus did die (according to Christians) -- therefore Jesus was not God. Jesus also never claimed to be God.
Someone pierced Jesus with a spear... This guy doesn't know what he's saying: "maybe he did not die." Dude, either respect historical sources and don't believe anything anywhere. You can't be subjective on historical data
Hello. I am an atheist. I define atheism as suspending any acknowledgement of the existence of gods until sufficient evidence can be presented. My position is that *_I have no good reason to acknowledge the existence of gods._* And here is the evidence as to why I currently hold to such a position. 1. I personally have never observed a god. 2. I have never encountered a person whom has claimed to have observed a god. 3. I know of no accounts of persons claiming to have observed a god that were willing or able to demonstrate or verify their observation for authenticity, accuracy, or validity. 4. I have never been presented a valid logical argument which also employed sound premises that lead deductively to a conclusion that a god(s) exists. 5. Of the 46 logical syllogisms I have encountered arguing for the existence of a god(s), I have found all to contain multiple fallacious or unsubstantiated premises. 6. I have never observed a phenomenon in which the existence of a god was a necessary antecedent for the known or probable explanation for the causation of that phenomenon. 7. Several proposed (and generally accepted) explanations for observable phenomena that were previously based on the agency of a god(s), have subsequently been replaced with rational, natural explanations, each substantiated with evidence that excluded the agency of a god(s). I have never encountered _vice versa._ 8. I have never experienced the presence of a god through intercession of angels, divine revelation, the miraculous act of divinity, or any occurrence of a supernatural event. 9. Every phenomenon that I have ever observed has *_emerged_* from necessary and sufficient antecedents over time without exception. In other words, I have never observed a phenomenon (entity, process, object, event, process, substance, system, or being) that was created _ex nihilo_ - that is instantaneously came into existence by the solitary volition of a deity. 10. All claims of a supernatural or divine nature that I have encountered have either been refuted to my satisfaction, or do not present as falsifiable. ALL of these facts lead me to the only rational conclusion that concurs with the realities I have been presented - and that is the fact that there is *_no good reason_* for me to acknowledge the existence of a god. I have heard often that atheism is the denial of the Abrahamic god. But denial is the active rejection of a substantiated fact once credible evidence has been presented. Atheism is simply withholding any acknowledgement until sufficient credible evidence is introduced. *_It is natural, rational, and prudent to be skeptical of unsubstatiated claims, especially extraordinary ones._* I welcome any cordial response. Peace.
@@cameroneagle4370 he copies and pasted this why, but I understand why, he like me is visually impaired, so the commonly used intro is easier for him. His discussions though are always one-sided.
Ok. You don’t believe in God or any gods. The next logical question then is, what ARE you living for? You presented a long list explain why you don’t believe in God. Fine. But what DO you live for? What do you believe in?
Nobody even knows wo wrote the gospels let alone if they are factual or not. They were put together in biblical form by committee. Hardly a a book delivered by god. It was a work of men. to assume that it is factual without evidence is inappropriate.
His great love! you can freely choose Jesus as Lord and Savior. He died on a cross and took your penalty. won't you accept Jesus today and be spiritually alive?
I’ve written an open letter to all atheists asking them to quit bugging us and leave. But the algorithms wouldn’t allow that letter to be posted because I guess it was a bit too unfriendly. But please go huh. Please.
@@mbkkt9094 You guys don’t have a good vibe about you. It’s in your writing. Essentially you’re down. You’re on a downer. And up and down don’t mix. You can’t get a lift out of your atheism so you’re trying to tap into our upper. You’re raining on our parade. We don’t want to talk to you about all that atheistic nonsense. Comment on the Richard Dawkins why don’t you.
In Christ you are no longer a sinner we are new creatures.. old things pass away and ALL things become new.. Paul declared we are dead to sin. In Christ we are no longer dead in sin but dead to sin. Finally, John writes once born of God we cannot sin. Corinthians 5:17 KJV Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.Romans 6:2 KJV God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?1 John 3:9 KJV Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
@@theoskeptomai2535 in others you don't need Jesus? If that's what you are suggesting...you have a right not to accept what He did on the cross. But know this if what Jesus say is true...eternity apart from God is a long time.
@@theoskeptomai2535 You have a right to believe that. 1 John 1:8 KJV If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. Romans 3:23 KJV For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
As an ex-atheist (now a Christian) I became Christian first because of the evidence (Since atheism lacks evidence). Then I was filled with the Holy Spirit and then the laws of logic and design in creation and more and more evidence showed me that the most rational position is to be a Christian. The evidence falls on the side of this truth.
Why does the position to suspend any acknowledgement of gods until sufficient credible evidence is introduced _require_ evidence?
Ignore the troll, he is asking a question that your opening post already answered and he will suck life out of you.
@@godislove363 It's a reasonable question. Is there another post? Cos it certainly wasn't answered in the above post.
Atheism doesn't require evidence, it is a rejection of a belief, not a positive claim unto itself
@@godislove363 shockofgod did not answer as to _why_ the position of atheism requires evidence. And will not, because my question, once again, goes to the heart of the matter. Again, Jacob you have lied. And your gig is over.
"They were under the Christian religion, thus they had nothing to worry about."
- Man, the disciples, and hundreds of first century Christians were persecuted, tortured and killed for following Christ. And many thousands of Christ followers have been martyred since then, and it's still happening today.
Thank you Cliff for answering your calling to evangelism. You have been blessed intellectually and you choose to use your gifts for God's glory.
He just needs to drop the white guilt thing.
God bless him and his son for their works we get to watch here. 🙏
@@cameroneagle4370 You could teach him.
@@cameroneagle4370 hes on a college campus i dont doubt hes forced to act
oscar garza maybe true, but he is a member of the liberal elitist club...still like 90 % if his messages!
The response to the first guy...that was really good! I never thought of that. If the apostles made up the resurrection, then by their Jewish beliefs (making up a false messiah), they would not be receiving heaven but hell upon death, and willing to go to hell for a lie that they know is a lie? A sane person would not do that.
Cult members do it without a second thought.
@@ismaelmelville47 they do what? Die for something that is a lie? Yes, but they don’t know it’s a lie. As Frank Turek says.... people will die for something that is a lie that they think is the truth, but nobody dies for a lie that they know is a lie. And the 12 apostles would be in a position that they would know if Jesus actually rose from the dead or if it was a lie.
@@sandina2cents779 So that proves Jesus rose from death if it was witnessed and if the witnesses were martyred. 2 big if's that historians say is not strongly documented. First accounts appear 70 years afterwards. It could be true but it could also be Roman invention to agitate the Jews who were in rebellion.
@@ismaelmelville47 that is not true, there are many non-biblical references that document the accounts of the apostles and that they died for their testimony. One big one was Josephus. He was a Jewish historian that was not a Christian, ever. We have Roman records that Jesus was crucified. Others inc..Pauline letters, Josephus Tacitus, Thallus, Philopon, Lucian of Samosata, Mara Bar-Serapion, Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, The Talmud, Celsus, Acts of Pilate.
Plus it wouldn’t make any sense that the Romans made it up. They wanted to squash any uprising to follow Jesus because they seen it as a challenge to the Roman rule. That’s why they put a crown of thorns on him and a sign that said king of the Jews. They wanted to make it clear that there is nobody above Rome.
They would not have made up that he rose from the dead because no Roman emperor ever rose from the dead. That would put Jesus over Rome. Rome did not make it up.
@@sandina2cents779 I suggest you inquire into the historicity of this matter. Serious historians at best say that Jesus was probably a real historical person but the evidence even of Josephus, is disputed. In fact Josephus may have been part of a Roman plot to create Chistianity. Many sides. Not as strongly historic as the preceding works of Julius Caesar.
If they lied about the prophecy, Jesus rising from the grave, then they know it to be false meaning they know they won’t go to heaven because the prophecy wouldn’t have come true yet. They wouldn’t lie about something knowing they’re going to Hell because they would have been trying to force the prophecy.
But forcing the prophecy means that in the end they would end in hell and loose everything.
@@christ_inspire_daily right! That’s why what they saw couldn’t have been a lie
@@rosspeterson2658 exactly idk what was so hard to understand about that i was thinking that the entire time when that dude was talking jt was so aggravating its crazy how ignorant some people CHOOSE to be
I ran across Cliff’s videos a few days ago. He’s one of the best pastor’s I’ve seen in America to date when it comes to reason and theology when having a discussion with people in regards to the gospel. I appreciate the fact that he comes prepared to answer other’s difficult questions and doesn’t avoid them like some may do.
Agreed
You're right, but, go and listen to Kent Hovind and how he teaches the Bible.🙏❤
Agreed.
As one who is constantly working on and applying apologetics through my witnessing encounters, I enjoy listening to Cliff’ answers. I also try to to be as patient as he is when dealing with clearly confused people, as I was before being brought into God’ Kingdom.
I may not always agree with Cliff’s answers but there’s no ultimate perfect answer for it must be God alone who changes the human heart and mind.
I also listen to Frank Turek.Also one of the best apologetic after William Lane Craig
@@darkeen42 Peter and John were both there during the miracles, arrest, and crucifixion of Jesus. Peter was crucified upside down in Rome, and John was exiled to the Island of Patmos (The author of the three epistles of John and Revelation). Thomas was speared to death in India for the gospel (A man that said unless I see Jesus alive myself I won’t believe). Otherwise, he has no reason to risk his life.
The Roman Proconsul put Philip to death for trying to covert his spouse (that seems bold). James was stoned to death in Syria according to Jewish historian Josephus. Simon was killed in Persia for refusal of sacrificing to the Sun God. Matthew was stabbed to death in Ethiopia. Bartholomew was killed in Arabia. Andrew was crucified in Greece.
The only apostle that didn’t suffer a gruesome death (from the historical reports we have) is John. The Roman Empire had declared Christianity to be illegal within the empire and would typically be a death sentence at that time. It was not a life to be lived by anyone that desired the comforts of this world.
Cool part of that story of the woman with bleeding is that Jesus didnt see someone grab his garment he knew because it says he felt POWER go from himself..
That's awesome!
Amen
It goes like this: But Jesus said, “Somebody touched Me, for I perceived power going out from Me.”
Also cool is that Jesus knew ahead of time, it was going to happen if He chose to know.
Please pray for my friend Paul Nolan he needs Jesus
You got it, and may the Lord Bless you for asking.
I have and will keep praying.
Since I have no other way to contact you Deborah I'll let you know I'm still praying everyday.
This is pretty good
Two people actually talking
and having a civil discussion
Without screaming and name calling
Cliff called Christ "the dude". lol, I love that! We can be God fearing and honoring and still call him "the dude (in the right context). Cliff rocks!
God bless you Cliff and your family, Keep standing for King Jesus and the Gospel been encouraged by your ministry for years, thank you from New Zealand
Love these vids for theology and Derek Prince for practical biblical application.
I’m a cristian and I’m struggling with health problems put in going to keep persevering
Just do it
I Pray that King Jesus will heal you completely, by his stripes you are healed Amen
@@spartanwarrior4632 thanks 🙏
@@edaguilar1798 walk in his shoes before you Jugde, or maybe you like a super Prophet that can handle any problems that the world, people & satan & his fallen angels have to throw at us 😂
Get a pen and draw a cross on the effected areas
Cliff is an amazing man. God Bless
Thank you for your awesome encouragement Cliffe! God bless you 🙏
I pray for Cliffe and the people who he's preaching to, accept what he is preaching and I pray for the people who are listening, that they will accept Jesus into their hearts. Cliffe, you do a wonderful job, thank you !🙏❤
Love you Brother Cliffe. Powerful answers in this video
Psalms 31:9
Many are the afflictions of the righteous, but the Lord delivers him out of them all.
From Indonesia, Jesus Christ bless u Mr. Cliff
That was a great reference about Grace thanks for sharing
Can anyone guess the year? Feels like around 2007 for me.
That looks like one of Cliffe's circa 2009 sweaters.
Looks like this video was 2-3 hrs long and was made into a bunch of 30 min or so videos..
It was made around there
😂
Of course it’s 2007....he wasn’t kicked off campus for peacefully speaking about Christianity and Christ
The idea that professional roman soldiers would not know when a man is dead is laughable.
yes, we are disconnected from death now, we just make a phone call and someone else takes care of the body. people were intimately knowledgeable of the effects of death on a body
Thanks for these videos. Loving them. Subbed
Wow now thats!! Forgiveness 😊 powerful..God bless the meek and the beloved
Just rollin' through and checking on the status of the resident trolls. Who are the regulars who have made their appearances thus far? (Especially for the sake of the uninitiated, so that you don't waste too much time.)
1. Bonnie43uk
2. Theo Skeptomai
3. Jason Noble
4. John Cashin (the least defiant/dogmatic of the bunch)
Not too bad! That's about half of the regulars...
People that have the answers to everything actually have no answers at all.
I don't why this doesn't make sense to me 😅
Is that your answer to everything? LOL Thanks for the non-sequitur...
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That's just his way of saying that he doesn't have the *answer* to anything, but that he does know that the *answer* to those who think they have an *answer* to everything (as if any such people exist), actually don't have an *answer* to anything at all! LOL _As if that makes any sense at all! Us humans, we're all kinds of crazy!_ 🤪
I’ve written an open letter to all atheists asking them to quit bugging us and leave. But the algorithms wouldn’t allow that letter to be posted because I guess it was a bit too unfriendly. But please go huh. Please.
I’ve written an open letter to all atheists asking them to quit bugging us and leave. But the algorithms wouldn’t allow that letter to be posted because I guess it was a bit too unfriendly. But please go huh. Please.
Thank you!
It's time to come to the University of Maine Gorham campus or even USM in Portland! I will after this coming winter make a trip to Connecticut to your church to at least meet you.
Who goes that far for a lie?
God bless you cliffe , you should go live with dorre love .
Everyone start preparing for the economic collapse and the tribulation now please ead this warning get prepared mentally,physically and most importantly spiritually and to trust in the most High God the KING of kings and the LORD of lords KING JESUS Christ always. be blessed.
I love you Cliff forever.
There are people who died believing the lie (Islam) because they don't know the truth, but no one would die for a lie knowing it is a lie. Who didn't drink the Kool Aid? Jim Jones!
_Those not interested in accurate evidence are not interested in truth. Truth is context-driven; deceit is agenda-driven. In time, truth will be revealed for those with eyes to see._
cc.
Discuss?
Agreed
Best one yet.
Belief in Jesus us not mere cold intellectual assent, which reduces it to an abstraction. It is a total heartfelt throwing in with him.
The meaning of the word 'believe' has been tragically watered down from its original meaning to mean to hold a mild and easily swayed opinion that something is true.
The original word is the prefix 'be' coupled with 'live' so you could leave out the second e and spell it 'belive' to make its meaning clear again, which is to live by the object of your belief, to totally change your life in accordance with it.
Cliffe, there is a way to prove that the Bible is the Word of God. Its called prophecy. Prophecy has the fingerprint of God all over it. And no other book or religion gives more prophecy than the bible that actually came true hundreds and thousands year later. God bless brother✝️❤
I think the problem with the prophecies in the Bible being a good evidence it is a real deal is that these prophecies are vague in their nature and cannot be clearly related so that people would see them without doubts. Like jews does not believe Jesus is the Messiah because all the prophetic revelations what the Messiah will do, did not match Jesus, one of it, is of course that the Messiah will bring peace on earth which did not occur with Jesus.
So i believe the only real evidence that God is real and Jesus is the Lord and the Bible is truth is the personal revelation of the Holy Spirit. Only when that happens to you, things begin to get sense in the Bible and you begin to believe it as the Word of God.
@@nikokapanen82 the fact that over 300 prophecies were written about Jesus in the OT before He was even born and then fulfilling all 300 is practically impossible. Mathematical scholars say that even fulfilling 8 of those prophecies is 1x10 to the power of 21, that is 10 with 21 0's. Thats Gods fimgerprint
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Once again, each of those prophecies were so vague and unclear that historians do not take them seriously unfortunately, jews dont believe Jesus is the Messiah exactly because they say Jesus did not fulfill the prophecies about Him.
@@nikokapanen82 most of the Jews that were alive when jesus was didn't believe or like jesus so that ain't a big surprise there
Soon the athest will show and regurgitate there debunked illogical beliefs don't respond to them.
Praise Jesus! Oh my gracious goodness!
The penultimate man reminds me of Jerry Lewis to the appearance, and when he mentioned formula, my thoughts went towards the movie; The Nutty Professor (1963)
Jesus said; I Am the Way, the Truth and the Life! No one comes to the Father except through Me! And the Words in The New Testament Rom 10: 9-13 is so true and good, thank you Jesus!
Might have been late 2009 because Cliffe mentioned the serial killer in Cleveland. That might have been Anthony Sowell the Cleveland Strangler who was apprehended in autumn 2009.
I guess when I die for my atheism that's when you'll know it's true huh Cliffe ⚛️👍
I’ve written an open letter to all atheists asking them to quit bugging us and leave. But the algorithms wouldn’t allow that letter to be posted because I guess it was a bit too unfriendly. But please go huh. Please.
You must not be an atheist If you keep watching videos about god.
@@thisiscontent2264
Why do you assume these videos are about “God” ?
@@jasonnoble7814 it literally has the #christianity under it...why do you fill your mind with stuff you do not believe in?
@@jasonnoble7814 and the #jesus #evidence under it lmao.... I guess a history video with the #history under it is about gender study theory.
Wow, the mental gymnastics the first guy did to try to disprove Christ!
lol exactly what I was about to comment, then I saw this... It feels like even if God will show Himself to this guy, he will say.. well.. prove me you are really God.
Amen
"That don't happen?" It happens. It's sort of the reason torture is considered ineffective aside from being grossly inhumane.
bro early christian being ripped apart by lions in colosseums is an ineffective torture method?
Bro in the background at 12:28 has definitely cheated on an exam
Preach!
The first guy is trying to sound smarter than he actually is. Lol
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
4:57 Riiight.... Because the Roman military couldn't really tell when anyone was dead. I mean that's how they managed to conquer all of the ancient world is because Roman soldiers had no idea if they'd actually killed somebody or not.
hahahaha, this comment is hilarious
Its like a clock trying to prove when time started. Did the clock started at 12 noon or started at 6:6:6
Read of Simon Greenleaf and his argument on the laws of evidence about the resurrection of Christ.
First guy.. That made no sense. I wish they would understand or get WHYYYYYY Jesus did to begin with... Such a great gift, the best one anyone cause have.
Cleveland Ohio in the house woof woof
2nd guy is out to lunch.. 😂
Everyone on the bieber haircut
Those school bells are soo darn annoying as get out! Can't they time them to sound off when Cliff is not speaking???
Hey I'm from tik tok
I wonder why cliffe doesn’t go to colleges and do these types of videos anymore?
Corona virus .inc
let’s go
Lol everyone in the crowd is sleeping.
I really wonder if Cliffe has ever looked into Van Til and Bahnsen. Cliffe is getting philosophical softballs thrown at him and failing to get a hit.
Ayee
I think Watergate proves Cliffs point pretty well.
KJV Romans 8:1-14
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
They wouldn't have been benefited if they died knowing that Jesus didn't rise because they say before they gave themselves over to death that if Jesus was not raised our Faith is in vain meaning they would not benefit.
The Book of John was written to explain to us how to acquire everlasting life in heaven. Not once does John mention anything except faith in Jesus. He doesn’t mention repentance, turning from your sins, or anything else other than faith in Jesus. It is a simple “formula.” I think that all Scripture on this topic must mesh with areas of the Bible that are very clear on how you acquire salvation like John.
And what if not all scripture does mesh in that way?
But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die. None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live. (Ezekiel 18:21-22)
I'm so confused does he believe or no Cliff btw in Jesus
What exactly was that first guy even saying?
A lie is a sin, isn't it? Satan lie and that cost him eternal death.
And another one.
I'm a fellow believer. I noticed ur video title. It made me think, but why anyone die for a lie is exactly true. The muslims kill themselves in the name of allah. How would we answer this. I was wondering if you know if there is a difference or not. I appreciate an answer, God Bless
Many people die because they believe something(even it’s a lie,but they truly believe it’s true ). It happens. But it’s rare for people willing to die for a lie they already know , earliest Christian die for what they saw and know (Jesus’s Miracle and crucifixion and resurrection) , not what they believe. So they are not deceived. Muslims at the time of Mohammad never saw any thing that proves Mohammad is a real prophet, they are just deceived by his words and surrendered by his violence , please check out Christian Prince ,David woods ,Mohammad faridi , adam seeker’s video
The kids not saying they lied, he is saying their were possibly mistaken
This goes beyond a mere mistake though. The apostles went into great detail about how they saw Him walking among the living again, then they communicated with and broke bread with Him before He ascended into heaven. The specifics are way too precise to be passed off as a 'mistake'. Again, it's either the truth or it's a lie.
911.....
Someone died for a lie this January......
The bible tells us to beware of false prophets.
Good thing this man teaches Jesus and not works
4:33 I appreciate this man's questioning but it doesn't take a Harvard Med Grad to figure out if someone is dead, just because we live in the time of more modern medicine. Even if not dead he was sealed in Tomb for 3 days were death would be nothing but certain. A good bit of illogical thinking but pray he accepts Christ into his life some day
"Were the disciples Jews" ? Is the Pope a Catholic?
5:19, "it didn't matter to them now, because now they are under the christian religion" uhhh no, in order to be a christian, they would have to believe that Jesus actually DIED and ALSO RESSURECTED, and if they know that these events aren't true, they aren't christian. it's not like switching to another country and you say, "oh well i'm here so its not going to matter because that countries rule doesn't apply here", being a christian requires faith in something that the believer actually saw to have happened and if they didn't see it happen, then they simply don't believe
Luke was a Gentile writer that believed it.
This is what happens when Ministers of the gospel lack spirit and gifts of the spirit. They use their intellectual capacity to help God saves people. The results arguing , arguing and arguing...
Unless you have listened to his videos over the years I would Reserve that statement if I was you or reverse it or edited something.
Why does God need help? Is it because He has been unable to convince one tribesperson ever to believe in Him? Only contact with a human being from a major religion has any tribesperson believed. Why so weak and invisible? I guess only God knows because you certainly would never have thought to ask yourself that question.
People die for lies all the time.
False.
Its 2021
Just my own thought
Charles Manson .avenue.
"Thus" doesn't mean you know anything...these kids are so brainwashed...THUS it's not about discussing the topic, it's about denial
Cliffe, I saw what you did there around 7:00. First, you ask your interlocutor to agree that, even for $5,000 in cash, they can't "truly believe" that there is a pink elephant standing next to them.. and then you use this admission about "truly believe" a thing, as your proof that a group of men couldn't "SAY" a thing.
For $5,000, I will happily SAY, (like an acting job, reading a script..) that I believe that I am standing next to an invisible, immortal, omnipresent magic sky daddy named Zeus. I can't "truly believe" that without actual, credible evidence.. but all I need for me to SAY it, is sufficient desire to obtain whatever benefit (whether $5k, or converts to my church..) I expect to get from making the statement.
I confess, I came here looking for another of your videos (same sweater, same audience), where you say "Why do I believe in God? That's actually an important question." No, I'm sorry.. to ME, why YOU believe is neither important nor particularly interesting. And, from the explanation you gave after that quote, it seems obvious that the reason you believe God exists, is because you have presupposed that "God exists because God must exist".
Part of your explanation was, basically, "everything which exists, must have a cause, therefore God must exist as that cause". But, that argument fails to prove that God is someTHING which exists, because, if "every thing which exists must have a cause", and if "God is some THING which exists" (i.e., your presupposition..), then "God must have a cause". BOTH of these arguments begin with the assertion "every thing which exists must have a cause". This is either true, or false, or indeterminate. If it is true, then either God must have a cause before Him, or God must not be any thing that has ever existed. If it is false, then the conclusion "therefore God exists as that cause", can not follow from the false initial premise. I do not claim that my argument has proven that no god exists or that there was some "metagod" that created God.. my only claim here is that the initial premise "every thing which exists must have a cause" is not evidently true and does not prove anything, especially not any "uncaused thing" which contradicts that initial premise. But, anyone is entitled to presuppose and then believe in the existence of a "special pleading" uncaused thing which causes all the other things.. just don't expect me to engage in the same presupposition.
Did it ever occur to you that the resurrection was a metaphor for something else and not to be taken literally.?
how does an actual physical empty tomb, which is a very important part of that story fits into that metaphor ?
@@bany512 you hit the nail on the head Peter when you said "story". There's little credible evidence to suggest any of the story of Jesus is real. Certainly it's an amazing story.
@@bonnie43uk Hello again :D Still replying to Christian comments with your baseless primary school atheistic arguments ? Why do you waste your time like that, Mr. ? Sorry, I dont remember your actual name :/
@@bany512 Tom Peter, or bonnie, I answer to both 😊 Yes, I'm still here Peter, to me, these conversations between Cliffe and the students are hugely thought-provoking and keep my mind ticking over, esp as I was raised to believe Christianity was true. It certainly isn't a waste of my time, ... according to your beliefs, my eternal salvation depends on accepting Christ as my savior does it not? .. that's a big deal isn't it?
The more I think about it, and I do think about it a lot because of my Christian upbringing, the more I am convinced it's not true. How do we go about determining whether it's true Peter?
@@bonnie43uk Yeah, I apologize for being harsh, it wasnt meant in a bad way Tom. As for the Christianity, I guess Ive said already, cant exactly remember our last conversation, I wasn't a believer and was not raised one. I came to Christ after trying to live a "proper" sinner life plus trying New Age and Zen etc. As for the classic arguments, we already went through it the last time, so no need to repeat that. God Bless you Tom.
Christianity is actually nothing else but reality. That’s what it is. And everything else is simply, fantasy.
This is the truth. This is the way that it is. Christianity is the truth.
It’s the way.
The truth.
And the life. There is no other way to God except the way provided to us by Jesus Christ.
He is God.
He is our saviour. He is our great high priest.
He is the way. There is no other way. This is reality.
There is a difference between killing yourself for gain and being MURDERED for what you believe. They didn’t set out to DIE- They set out to spread the gospel... Yes they one death was a great possibility, but it wasn’t done purposely to go to Heaven.... He’s describing 2 totally different motives and results.
We are save, buy trusting the finished work of Jesus on the cross. That he died for our sins was buried and rose on the 3rd day. The moment we trust the gospel of grace, we get baptized by the Holy Ghost. Not water. Water baptism, is for the kingdom gospel Israel/Jews. With some exceptions. The gospel of grace, is for the whole world.
But people die for a lie that they thought was true.
Not what he's saying. People saw Jesus rise from being dead. Those people were then threatened, SAY Jesus didn't rise from the dead and we won't execute or kill you. They refused to LIE and say Jesus didn't rise so they were executed. They died maintaining their truth of Christ's resurrection.
@@icanfartloud Eye witnesses? You will have to take hat on faith.
Damn this is why there’s war between fools with beliefs. They believe they will go to hell if they get alone. 🤷♂️
@@ismaelmelville47 Why don't you research and disapprove of it?
@@xr55 I have. What did your research select?
18:33
People die for a lie ALL THE TIME! Ask anyone who believes in ANY theology and I'm sure there will be someone they can tell you about who died for their faith/belief.
Dying for a lie that you know is a lie is a completely different thing... The people who "die for lies all the time," are not aware that the lie is a lie. That's how deception works: You believe a lie to be true because you're unaware of the truth. The truth being that the lie is a lie. Ironically, this is how Satan leads us to death. Blindly us from the truth to make us unaware of it and then spreading deception. Make the lie appear as if it is not a lie at all, and have people believe the lie dressed up as "truth."
No one would willingly die for a lie they know to truthfully be a lie; but many will die for a lie they do not know to be a lie.
@@dazaiel8081 Let me rephrase it. People die for things that are lies ALL THE TIME, they just don't think it's a lie.
@@WhyCallMeLordLord Okay, thank you for correcting yourself.
@@WhyCallMeLordLordAnd? That's precisely the point Cliffe was making. People do NOT die for something they know to be a lie.
@@xelvania1581 Of course and if you're convinced of something that MAY BE A LIE you would probably die also. Not hard to see this playing out today in political arenas!
...unless they'll die for telling the truth as well.
For example: The disciples robbed the grave, which, according to Dr John Lennox, was a crime punishable by death.
They made up the resurrection story in an attempt to avoid punishment for their crime.
God is immortal; if Jesus ever died under any circumstance, then Jesus was not immortal:
Jesus did die (according to Christians) -- therefore Jesus was not God.
Jesus also never claimed to be God.
Someone pierced Jesus with a spear... This guy doesn't know what he's saying: "maybe he did not die." Dude, either respect historical sources and don't believe anything anywhere. You can't be subjective on historical data
Hello. I am an atheist. I define atheism as suspending any acknowledgement of the existence of gods until sufficient evidence can be presented. My position is that *_I have no good reason to acknowledge the existence of gods._*
And here is the evidence as to why I currently hold to such a position.
1. I personally have never observed a god.
2. I have never encountered a person whom has claimed to have observed a god.
3. I know of no accounts of persons claiming to have observed a god that were willing or able to demonstrate or verify their observation for authenticity, accuracy, or validity.
4. I have never been presented a valid logical argument which also employed sound premises that lead deductively to a conclusion that a god(s) exists.
5. Of the 46 logical syllogisms I have encountered arguing for the existence of a god(s), I have found all to contain multiple fallacious or unsubstantiated premises.
6. I have never observed a phenomenon in which the existence of a god was a necessary antecedent for the known or probable explanation for the causation of that phenomenon.
7. Several proposed (and generally accepted) explanations for observable phenomena that were previously based on the agency of a god(s), have subsequently been replaced with rational, natural explanations, each substantiated with evidence that excluded the agency of a god(s). I have never encountered _vice versa._
8. I have never experienced the presence of a god through intercession of angels, divine revelation, the miraculous act of divinity, or any occurrence of a supernatural event.
9. Every phenomenon that I have ever observed has *_emerged_* from necessary and sufficient antecedents over time without exception. In other words, I have never observed a phenomenon (entity, process, object, event, process, substance, system, or being) that was created _ex nihilo_ - that is instantaneously came into existence by the solitary volition of a deity.
10. All claims of a supernatural or divine nature that I have encountered have either been refuted to my satisfaction, or do not present as falsifiable.
ALL of these facts lead me to the only rational conclusion that concurs with the realities I have been presented - and that is the fact that there is *_no good reason_* for me to acknowledge the existence of a god.
I have heard often that atheism is the denial of the Abrahamic god. But denial is the active rejection of a substantiated fact once credible evidence has been presented. Atheism is simply withholding any acknowledgement until sufficient credible evidence is introduced. *_It is natural, rational, and prudent to be skeptical of unsubstatiated claims, especially extraordinary ones._*
I welcome any cordial response. Peace.
What.................
@@cameroneagle4370 he copies and pasted this why, but I understand why, he like me is visually impaired, so the commonly used intro is easier for him. His discussions though are always one-sided.
Jacob Fongemie I know , I've tried debating him...
@@cameroneagle4370 okay, when I saw your what I thought you were not familiar. I saw Paul's question, he should know who you are.
Ok. You don’t believe in God or any gods. The next logical question then is, what ARE you living for? You presented a long list explain why you don’t believe in God. Fine. But what DO you live for? What do you believe in?
Nobody even knows wo wrote the gospels let alone if they are factual or not. They were put together in biblical form by committee. Hardly a a book delivered by god. It was a work of men. to assume that it is factual without evidence is inappropriate.
Why did god create us if he knows we are going to hell and burn for eternity?
His great love! you can freely choose Jesus as Lord and Savior. He died on a cross and took your penalty. won't you accept Jesus today and be spiritually alive?
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I’ve written an open letter to all atheists asking them to quit bugging us and leave. But the algorithms wouldn’t allow that letter to be posted because I guess it was a bit too unfriendly. But please go huh. Please.
Why?
@@mbkkt9094 Because you’re boring and no fun.
@@paulwilfridhunt You have determined every atheist who comes to this comment section is boring and no fun? How did you do that?
@@mbkkt9094 You guys don’t have a good vibe about you. It’s in your writing. Essentially you’re down. You’re on a downer. And up and down don’t mix. You can’t get a lift out of your atheism so you’re trying to tap into our upper. You’re raining on our parade. We don’t want to talk to you about all that atheistic nonsense. Comment on the Richard Dawkins why don’t you.
@@paulwilfridhunt What do you mean can't get a lift out of atheism? What is it exactly that you think atheism is?
In Christ you are no longer a sinner we are new creatures.. old things pass away and ALL things become new.. Paul declared we are dead to sin. In Christ we are no longer dead in sin but dead to sin. Finally, John writes once born of God we cannot sin. Corinthians 5:17 KJV
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.Romans 6:2 KJV
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?1 John 3:9 KJV
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
I was never a sinner in the first place.
@@theoskeptomai2535 in others you don't need Jesus? If that's what you are suggesting...you have a right not to accept what He did on the cross. But know this if what Jesus say is true...eternity apart from God is a long time.
@@benjaminallen2 No. Not in other words. I have not sinned. Period.
@@theoskeptomai2535 You have a right to believe that. 1 John 1:8 KJV
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. Romans 3:23 KJV
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
@@benjaminallen2 I am not buying it.