@@braxtongerber5026 Right? I only argue if we’re both being respectful. If you don’t want your side to talk or if you keep insulting them, then it’s not an argument.
@@Josiahministries 1- scientific evidence conflicts with that fact 2- Jesus reinforces Genesis - to believe in Yeshua & evolution is blatant hypocrisy If you want to debate science or religion go for it - but make sure you know what you’re claiming first plse
@@Unique_Monk Yeah. You are right William Lane Craig believes in billions of years as the age of the earth, but old earth creationists will tend to base a lot of their belief on the evidence that evolutionists will alude to through carbon dating, when looking at the historical scientific evidence for the age of the earth. The carbon dating methods used by old earthers tend to point to billions of years, leading to the conclusion of an old earth rather than a young earth. God bless.
I love how Cliff treats Russell with respect and how Russell listens and considers Cliff's argument. Debate does not need to be argument. We can all learn a lot from these two guys. I once heard it said that an atheist needs to have incredible faith because they have a lot to lose if they are wrong. Russell appears to get that.
I’ve been watching this show for well over 16 years and I’ve learned so much from Cliffe (and now Stuart). I still play these over and over to continually educate myself. What Cliffe does is extremely difficult and challenging. What a legend.
Who has asserted chance is involved. I have never encountered a phenomenon where chance was _known_ to be involved. All phenomena I have encountered (objects, events, processes, substances, entities, systems, or beings) seem to _emerge_ from necessary and sufficient antecedents over some finite amount of time no matter how brief or epoch the interval. Have you encountered differently?
“God knows it’s so complex” haha that’s exactly right . Good kid man. He seems like he’s on his journey to seek the truth. And the truth , the way and the life is Jesus. And soon he shall see that Jesus is what he was searching for !
@@leeman2177 what does the quran say about the bible? What does it say about jesus? What does the quran say about his word? Therefore the quran is true the bible is true since bible is true the quran is false?
@@leeman3517 care to have a actual discussion? You quote scripture about disobeying the lord but do you believe Jesus christ is God? Because if you don't then your are disobeying God
Mr Knechtle, I just want to thabk you. In 2008 I was obsessed with "truth" and got into Eckhart Tolle's books and Oprah and Deepak etc. I stumbled onto your video whilst ironing and christianity was always the LAST place I would've looked for Truth. Your teachings and conversations really prepared my heart to hear the gospel. A year later I repented and came to faith in Christ. I did, however, end up in a really confusing church that doesn't teach scripture in context (Hillsong) till 2015 but now and other good biblical Scripture is my highest authority while here on earth. But.... my journey began in Christ because of you.... So THANK YOU MY PRECIOUS BROTHER IN CHRIST ❤🙏❤ always wanted to thank you 😊😊😊
Amen and God bless and welcome and there are many Treasures Rosa truths to learn especially in these hard times may your journey be enriched with no only truth but even more passion and love for our Eternal Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ in the Holy Spirit.
Scripture is not your highest authority. Proper interpretation of Scripture is essential to understand truth. Christianity is a splintered church with so many groups contradicting each other. Yet Jesus said Go ye therefore teach all nations. The Church Jesus established is the Catholic Church. It teaches clearly on so many issues- abortion, contraception, divorce and remarriage, the meaning of the Blessed Eucharist, the role of Mary, etc. I’m rejoicing you have given your heart to Jesus and l hope you find your way to the Church He founded. Blessings
@@larryluch8178 in all due respect sir, please don't state your OPINION as FACT to me, that is extremely condescending. Scripture IS my highest authority. The Holy Spirit brings to memory all interpretation of scripture in context, with proper hermeneutics to memory and will lead to all Truth ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE, AS IT IS WRITTEN. I fear you are deep in deception if you are under the authority of Rome. It is a works based religion that does not lead to salvation and misinterprets scripture amd is steeped in blood of the saints and secrer occultish sins, including hiding the rape amd sodomy of children and to make it all worse, the papacy has been considered for Centuries by the protestants, the reformers and the puritans to be the anti Christ. No one on earth will EVER convince me to step one inch of my toe in that SYNAGOGUE of Satan. I mean no disrespect, but Truth is Truth. Please don't waste your breath trying to convince me otherwise, it will avail nothing but strife, as there is no doubt at all in my mind that Roman Catholicism is not true christianity. It is an abomination of Christ. More Christians have died by the hands of Roman Catholicism than Jews were killed in the holocaust. Please open your eyes. May God lead you to all Truth, may you put your bias aside and search this matter out in the scripture So you will be set free and saved. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@@allyy210 Condescending! I apologize, it was unintentional. Catholics are not saved by works, Jesus is the Savior. Works are the gifts of the Holy Spirit to us to help fulfill the mandate of Jesus Go ye therefore teach all nations. From the beginning betrayers infiltrated so it’s the same now in Catholic and all communities. No true Catholic would attempt to defend sin. Catholics are baptized in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. The faithful ones proclaim Jesus as Lord. Yet you say we’re not true Christians. I think you’re focusing too much on the Judas among us. St Francis, St Terese, Mother Theresa of Calcutta, Maximilian Kolbe we’re all Catholics and lived holy lives. Thank you for your prayers, they’re always needed. In return l have given your name to Jesus for protection.
My last name is Whewell. These just run in my blood, always have. Having a passionate conversation or debate, and maintaining it without "some type" of violation takes a great deal of skill and deplomacy. And helping them, takes grace, thank you sir!!!
7:41 atheist or theist...THIS is how it's done folks. No acrimony, no insults, just pure perspective and mutual respect leading to growth of both parties
I loved the last guy, he has clearly read multiple sides and arguments and has a good understanding of what he believes in. That is the best person to debate with imo
If someone goes to target and two people see it and then years later the two people recount it. One remembers the person walking in right door and the other remembers the person walking in left door. But the point is, it doesn't matter...they both remember the person walking into target.
Another point I would add is: If the 4 Gospels were identical there would still be an objection like, "they conspired on their stories" or, "they all copied from each other. Thus, its all made up". Its the same thing in court (I have no study or job in connection to how Law/Legal/Court works) but, from what I understand is if eyewitness tell stories that are identical you should start to to be suspicious. It's expected to be small variations, but not on the big pieces of the testimony.
Excellent discussion. No atheist I've ever spoken to has claimed that "life came from Non life" .. the question regarding how life originated is currently beyond the scope of human understanding. Because we don't know is not the same as saying "life came from non life".
@@braxtongerber5026 Thats the big unanswered question Braxton. Should humans know everything? In the past, when mankind didn't have an answer for a given phenomenon they would invoke a God as the answer. Science has slowly given us lots of answers to those questions. There are more things in the universe that we *don't* know than we *do* know.
Russell is the MVP of atheists! It was a pleasure to listen to Russell! He has an open mind! I pray that he comes to Christ, but he definitely has the open mind to do so. 🏆🏆🏆
Cliff is incredibly patient. He does his part in sharing God’s truth and then let’s God take care of the rest. The point here is still to get more souls to believe in God and His awesome being rather than to debate. It is important for us believers to gain that patience like Cliff. We need to understand that these are people who have been denying the existence of God for a very long time. Satan will not let them off easily. Satan wants them to keep doubting, to keep denying and staying away from anything God-related because he, more than us; believers & unbelievers, know how true and real God is. The word of God convicts us to change. Though uncomfortable, change is necessary. The habits, the way of life and our way of thinking changes because of God. This is why most prefer to not believe because they are afraid of the change.
Didn't like how evolution was put as a random process, it is not random. Its a process which non randomly uses random mutations to ultimately lead to the changing of the genes found in the current species found. The unlikely events include the formation of life and the the formation of intelligent life. But using the anthropic principle that can be reasonably comprehended I think
I concur Maria, lots of Christians will also use the "it's just a theory" argument, without knowing that a 'scientific theory' is the highest accolade any branch of science can achieve. It's nothing to do with the word 'theory' as used in daily usage..as in a hunch or a guess. And you are right, it's not a random process, it very much depends on lots of variables.
@@leeman3517check out this video th-cam.com/video/73q2P7EgTvk/w-d-xo.html dont know what u r trying to convey but at least maybe i can convince u for the separation of church and state
@@leeman3517 Lee, did you actually watch that video that Maria linked?, rather than simply quoting verses from the Qur'an, it would be good to hear your own personal thoughts. If I stopped you in the street and asked you for the time, .. and you simply quoted a line from the Qur'an, .. i'd think there was something wrong with you. You were kind enough to tell me where you're from in the States, .. that's a good start. 😊
Russell is correct in all his thinking and the Theories and Hypothesis he brings up are very good.... but so is Cliffe on his points, his correct as well.... i think what's most important is a dialogue between people and that everybody argues their points respectfully.... i know for a fact i would rather live in a Moral Theist society who preach Jesus then any other society, but i also will not deny the fact that science needs free reign to keep asking questions on the existence of god and by doing that, i totally believe that the more we understand the universe and the more we understand about the origins of life.... the more closer we will move to God..... Science + Theism = Good Life
It was interesting hearing there isn’t enough evidence toward the Bible, I would’ve said sir how long ago was the Bible written? ...okay so if the Bible was written that long ago people lost their life’s for Christ for a righteous course, and 500 eye witnesses confirmed that it was him not to mention its the Christianity its the largest “religion” which I have to agree being a Christian isn’t a religion it’s being a follower of Christ. Anyways if that isn’t enough for you then I don’t know what is. What was the one of the reasons Jesus died on the cross... so they he could be reach to all the world for salvation. That’s your evidence. Not to mention there wasn’t phones, video recorders, only hand written, that is why God word is everlasting because it stands the test of time. Yes words can be altered but those are offshoots of men logic which God and Jesus doesn’t like not to mention his disciples predicted that.
I used to think that as well that because of the size of the Universe and the amount of planets mathematically was almost a given that life could exist somewhere else...until I found out about the fine running of the Cosmos and the irreductible complexity in the design. That makes life literally a miracle
i give people like cliffe alot of credit for what they do preaching in the open like they do its not easy especially when you get close minded arrogant self worth young adults who think the world revolves around them and also think that everything is owed to them they have no desire or curiosity to learn about truth its funny how these young kids who are brain washed still walking around with dirty diapers want to teach an educated man like cliffe about life and the universe and of course the best book ever the bible
This young man rejects the idea that nothing can create everything or even anything for that matter but experience, throughout the history of the world, proves that something has never been created from nothing!
In Cliffe this passage come true. 2 Corinthians 10:5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ
Atheism seems very guilty of "I dunno of the gaps" lol. Also at about 27:30 the skeptic guy says "The game of telephone proves the story changes after 8 people". But the skeptic dude can't use that objection as even Paul writes that many of the eyewitnesses (to Christ Resurrection) are alive even until this day and you can even go talk to them" So the game of telephone objection falls on it's face.
Its funny how the guy said "emerged to seem like it had a function" (4:34). John Walton wrote in his book 'The Lost World of Genesis 1' "...people in the ancient world believed that something existed not by virtue of its material properties, but by virtue of it having a function in the ordered system... In this sort of functional ontology, the sun does not exist by virtue of its material properties, or even by its function as a burning ball of gas. Rather, it exists by virtue of the role that it has in its sphere of existence, particularly in the way that it functions for humankind and human society." That's exactly what Genesis 1 is about. God bringing order and function to a chaotic system
Man I just found cliffs work! This is so good! And not only is he as intelligent and quick whitted as a whip, hes got an anointing of the Holy Ghost all over him too. It's great to see.
Some of these people. Smh. Anyone ever see Rush Hour...."Do you understand the wooorrrrdddssss that are comin outta my mouth?" Cliff is a most patient individual.
9:55 it has been calculated. Cliffe just isnt saying the mathematics because hes not a mathematician. The point of the argument is it is not probable given the time span of the universe to have occurred anywhere near one time. Given all of the things that need to be exactly how they are in the universe to support and sustain life (or matter even...) its like well over 10^1000, so like I said, the chances of that happening randomly is so low its "improbable." Not in 15 billion years, not in 15^500 years. Not even close. For gravity alone to be as perfect as it is to support stars and planets, its 10^40 (10 followed by 40 zeros) even that is way beyond 15 billion years!!
I think it would really help these students, just as it helped me, to understand what the implications of time-space being infinite are (protip: it cannot be)
@@vuho2075 A good Christian only needs one imaginary supernatural friend to tell them who to kill...oh wait, there is also an imaginary supernatural son to tell them not to kill...so confusing for them.
Very smart teaching in parables this is how Christ tried to get us to understand our world his included. I think we miss that and apply his teachings in our little worlds but he always would say "the kingdom of heaven is like unto." If u want to understand heaven look no further then ur home and seek the one they called Jesus of Nazareth. Is adam and eve our first parents or an office in gods holy order? If god created other worlds does his son atonement apply to those worlds? Do they have their own holy word where they learn about earth who was wicked enough to crucify their god? Its crazy when the possibilities if u add the fact that ressurected jesus christ would not be limited by time and space. This is no simulation u are here but the answers will come and u may be surprised what ur called to do have faith and love one another thats all we have to do right now. An athiest should look at the parable of the talents and see how they really honed in on the one but the master of the vinyard was angry cause it profots him and in turn his house nothing. Christ taught to let ur light shine and that a light hidden is goof for nothing. The expanse and more specifically this world have both a spiritual and physical creation just like everyone here. It will also help to understand that the scriptures teach that we lived before (although mainstream christianity misses this fact) u were born that u are here of ur own volition. Seek the knowledge you cannot see but u can feel. If u have to think of ur body as an antenna and the light of christ as wifi go for it, but isp service is not free just like ur worldly education everything comes at a price nothing in this world is free and christ paid the ultimate price and all of our accounts will be due one day for an accounting. gl my athiest brothers ur all very intelligent. Maybe to intelligent 😉❤ that cunning plan of the evil one! O the vainness, and the frailties, and the foolishness of men! When they are learned they think they are wise, and they hearken not unto the counsel of God, for they set it aside, supposing they know of themselves, wherefore, their wisdom is foolishness and it profiteth them not. And they shall perish. 29 But to be learned is good if they hearken unto the counsels of God. Just think of what u could do if u were born again. 🎓
Cliff, you have a great relationship with some of the word of God, there is much power and wisdom in it. There is more of a relationship that we can have if we open up to it and see more of the truth as we seek it. God the Father has a body and Jesus Christ has a body, the Son is the express image of the Father, their bodies in this universe are not eternal but the spirit of God is. If we are to dwell in eternity with God we must be or become eternal ourselves, and so our spirits are from the Father of all spirits. There are many scriptures on this subject but the one that is the most comprehensive from the Bible is Hebrews 1: “2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;”
There seems to be a lot of confusion around what Einstein believed concerning god. Some of his quotes give small hints that he was a theist. Others give hints that he wasn't. Others hint that he was a pantheist. Here is one of his quotes: “The most beautiful emotion we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion that stands at the cradle of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead… To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is something that our minds cannot grasp, whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly: this is religiousness. In this sense, and in this sense only, I am a devoutly religious man.”
Cliff, how about, reading the story of how sin started and then tell them about the sacrifice of the unblemished lamb and because of sin, blood was required.
I wonder if Cliff really believes his statement about the creation of the universe starting 15 billion years ago. I think it's more likely (according to the Bible) that God created the universe and the world less than 10,000 years ago. I could see how this might be a method of his to relate to the science "worshipers" in the group by explaining that while, 15 billion years is along time, it's still a finite time compared to an eternal God creating time-space-matter.
And I want that you have faith that the person who wrote it was correct, you didn't see it happen you didn't experience it but you believe it you believe it's true so therefore it has to be true you have faith that it's true!
That first young man was a great example of what young people should be like nowadays but unfortunately they are def not . He’s was well mannered respectful and polite even though I don’t agree with him . I pray God will speak to him and open his eyes 🙏
It is ironic that most, if not all, of what we know is based on 'eye witness' testimony. The one guy tries to discredit the gospels because they are so, yet any other, and I do mean ANY other historical figure is always rtecognized based on someone else's testimony. Even the young man himself cannot prove that he is who he claims to be without outside testimony or documentation, the ultimate being his birth certificate. Where his mother claims him to be her son born on such and such a date and time, at such and such a location, with so and so being his father and witnessed by the appropriate authorities. It is with that testimony that he can claim his individuality.
@@leeman3517 If you open up the Qur’an to Sura 5 titled “The Gospel of Jesus: Guidance and Light,” you will read the following:* [5:46] And in their footsteps We sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and conformation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah. [5:47] Let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah has revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel. [Emphasis mine.] First, take note that the Qur’an actually says that Allah is responsible for sending Jesus and the “the Gospel,” referring to what we call the New Testament. Each was given to confirm “the Law,” referring to the Old Testament. In describing “the Gospel” we are told that it contains “guidance and light.” From just this verse, I think we are meant to conclude that God has multiple revelations and that these revelations can be used to confirm each other. For example, the New Testament confirms the Old Testament. Second, in the very next sentence the Qur’an affirms that “The People of the Gospel,” referring specifically to Christians, should “judge by what Allah has revealed therein.” That is to say, Christians should judge by what’s in “the Gospel.” Here the author, Mohammed, is inviting Christians to judge his words by the New Testament. He believes that “the Gospel” and his words, the Qur’an, are in agreement. This makes perfect sense in light of the verse we just looked at. In essence, Mohammed is saying that just as the Gospel confirms the Law, which came before it, the Gospel will confirm the Qur’an, which is coming after it. There is a problem here that Christians and Muslims both recognize: The New Testament conflicts with the Qur’an on a number of central doctrines. The Christian, who takes Mohammed at his word and judges the Qur’an by the New Testament, is forced to conclude that Mohammed got it wrong. What does the Muslim say to this? The Muslim’s answer is quite simple. The Qur’an is God’s infallible, uncorrupted word; therefore, “the Gospel” must have been corrupted. Here’s the unstated presupposition: If the New Testament differs with the Qur’an, then it’s the New Testament that must have it wrong. However, when the words of the Qur’an were being written down, Mohammed was communicating that the New Testament and the Old Testament are reliable. In his words, they are “sent” from Allah, they “confirm” each other and contain “guidance and light.” So up until that time in history, “the Gospel” and “the Law” that Mohammed was working from were not corrupted. If they were already corrupted, then his words don’t make any sense. He wouldn’t ask Christians to judge anything by a corrupted book. This leads us to conclude that the corruption must have taken place after the Qur’an was written (620-632 AD). Here’s the problem, and it’s a big one. The manuscript evidence we have gathered from after the Qur’an was written completely agrees with the manuscript evidence we have from before the Qur’an was written. That is to say, the New Testament around at the time of Mohammed is identical to the text we have today. It’s the same text. Even Bart Ehrman, who estimates that there are around 400,000 variants of the New Testament text, affirms that we essentially know what the originals contained. Therefore, whatever was true about the New Testament at the time Mohammed wrote the Qur’an is still true of the New Testament today. Therefore, if the Qur’an is true, then what Mohammed said about the New Testament is also true. Mohammed instructs Christians to judge the Qur’an by what is in the New Testament. Ironically, if you do this you find that the Qur’an hopelessly contradicts what “Allah has revealed” in the New Testament. For example, the New Testament teaches that Jesus died on a cross for the sins of the world and then rose from the dead three days later. Conversely, the Qur’an says that Jesus was never even crucified on a cross and, thus, had no need for a resurrection from the dead. The Christian is forced to conclude that the Qur’an is in error. Therefore, by the Qur’an’s own standard, if the Qur’an is true, then the Qur’an is false.
Historical evident is important if u not believe it.how do you know your parent are is true or real parent .with out evidence( photo,history,eye witness..)
what about creating male & female. not only in humans but animals too... and critters.. did that happened by chance too? i don't think so.. we are made in such an art that if you study how the body works... it will amaze you! love God!
The problem with evolution the way the first kid sees it is this: he actually brought up the eye and it's complexity himself and the fact of the matter is the eye is not a product of evolution because if one part of the eye is changed, it ceases to work so in other words the eye we have today has always been the eye that existed. it is an enormously complex design that has been this way since the beginning of time.
Phylosophers and mathematicians have been trying to solve the problem of an infinte past for thousands of years. They allways come to the same conclusion. If time, space, and matter was infinate, today never would have arrived. An infinate past is mathematically impossible.
It's a common misconception. Mutations are random by definition but natural selection and sexual selection are non-random. Organisms adapting to a changing environment isn't random either. You could argue that it involves an element of chance, because it isn't guided by anything other than the environment and genetic change in populations of animals. But it's not strictly a random chance process because it's based on the way advantageous traits are more likely to be selected for and passed on to offspring if they provide the opportunity for those organisms to thrive. You can't observe eyeballs popping into existence in a single moment in time, simply because that's not how it works. Evolution at every level is just small incremental changes piled atop one another. You can look back through history to find the species with the most rudimentary eyesight, eyes that barely function at all apart from being able to detect changes in light, and then gradually throughout time you had other organisms with more improved vision. Including changes to the layout of the eyes from the sides of the head to eyes forward facing with binocular vision. You can even pinpoint the moment when the earliest primates gained the ability to see in full colour. A mutation in OPN1MW produced OPN1LW, the protein essential for colour vision. As far as being able to observe evolution is concerned you actually can do that. New species have evolved in your own lifetime. But it doesn't involve huge changes in a single step like a lot of people seem to believe. It's just small incremental changes piled atop one another. Every new genus or species is just a slightly modified version of the species before it. It doesn't involve one species producing a completely different kind of organism in a single macroevolution event.
@@chimpanzeethat3802 How can an organism that has rudimentary eyesight decide to grow the next step to improve it and how could it possibly know how that is accomplished? The difference between the eyes of different kinds of animals is way way more complex than the best intelligence we have can engineer. A change couldn’t be selected for one step. There are so many structures in life that are irreducibly complex that evolution is refuted thousands of times over. It can’t evolve one step randomly and then be selected for reproduction for a change that doesn’t work yet. A single living cell is like a self-replicating nano-factory that has more information than millions of pages of text that has to be in precise order to direct cell function. What is your best evidence against irreducible complexity?
I think the young man wants to say, “for the sake of argument” , if there was no eyewitness testimony as such , what other object reasons does he have for believing In Christ ? His other related point is, he wants to eyewitness accounts “off limits “ for the discussion , because what do we make of the flaws in accepting eyewitness accounts written many years after the facts occurred? Cliff is usually head on but here I felt he was dodging what the kid was getting at. he wants to know what other “evidences” there are. Fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy might be one of them. Of course I love cliffs distinction between evidence and proof (and faith and knowledge), And really if there were proof what would the beauty and purpose of this faith. CS Lewis articulates faith and faithfulness beautifully as well, with a different wrinkle
So I had a conversation with an atheist and he said that he died twice and both times he saw darkness. And God told me to ask him if he was aware of the darkness I said if he died and he saw darkness that means he was aware consciously of the darkness itself!
4:35 "And that is explainable by science." Not it isn't. If any reader thinks it is, please provide a couple of empirically verifiable examples to support the claim...
If god always acts in accordance with his nature (whatever that means), then he still must have more than one viable option that does not contradict his nature if he is to ''claim free will.'' Otherwise, he is a slave to his nature, like a robot, and not a free personal agent. What would the word "option" mean to a being who created all options? Some say that "free will" with god does not mean what it means with humans. But how are we to understand this? What conditions of free will would a christian scrap in order to craft a "free agency" for god? Multiple options? Desire? Freedom? Power? Potential to avoid? Perhaps desire could be jettisoned. Desire implies a lack, and a perfect being should lack nothing. But it would be a very strange "person" with no needs or desires. Desire is what prompts a choice in the first place. It also contributes to assessing whether the decision was reasonable. Without desire, choices are willy-nilly, and not true decisions at all. Besides, ''the biblical god expressed many desires.'' Basically this supposed god is RELYING on his ''faulty creations'' (the fall of adam & eve) to go around and CONVINCE each other that he exists, that's preposterous.!!! No objection saves the christian god, he does not exist. Perhaps a more modest deity can be imagined: one that is not both personal and all-knowing, both all-knowing and all-powerful, both perfect and free. But until a god is defined coherently, and then proven to exist with evidence and sound reasoning, it is sensible not to think that such a being exists. This guy is JUST expressing his own personal views, having said that, it DOES NOT mean he is right, at the END OF THE DAY, it's only his OPINION.!!!
Such a non-question. What came before the Big Bang? First that assumes that our concept of uni-directional (not to mention linear or non-reciprocating) time is a valid. This may not be true. Second assumption is that there is a "cause" for each "thing" we perceive. We arrogantly project our perspectives onto the universe as a whole. But that is not even the problem here. The problem is that we don't know what we cannot test. You cannot even formulate a testable hypothesis about pre-Big Bang events (assuming that the notion of "events" is relevant to a before Big Bang moment). For all we know time folds back on itself and there is no time before the Big Bang. We might as well go back to the "how many angels fit on the head of a pin?" question. The only thing demonstrated in this discussion is that cognitive bias blinds the clarity that comes from free and non-dogmatic thinking.
On the resurrection topic, how do atheist explain the conversion of skeptics Saul and James? And also the explosion of Christianity in the first century? That should have been done right after the crucifixion...unless he resurrected
Universe by definition is the set of all that exists. That of course includes God. Therefore if something is outside the universe it does not exist. There can be no other universes but there can possibly be other extant parallel dimensions contained within the set of all that exists. For something to exist does not mean it must be accessible or detectable. Heb:11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Heb 11:5 5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. When you look at the 11th chapter of Hebrews it appears that faith is the key that opens doors to alternate dimensions that those who lack it cannot enter unless of course grace & mercy takes up the slack of weak or poorly defined faith that stumbles in the dark. The ones who believed were world changers. They entered doors that no one ever knew existed and often preserved the world of their time. Faith enters doors and gains access to dimensions that others who lack it or its definition cannot enter. It can move through wormholes and stargates and take at least a few others through them with it. It basically can change the universe.
For all Muslims, searching the Muslim Faith or pretend to be. If you open up the Qur’an to Sura 5 titled “The Gospel of Jesus: Guidance and Light,” you will read the following:* [5:46] And in their footsteps We sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and conformation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah. [5:47] Let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah has revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel. [Emphasis mine.] First, take note that the Qur’an actually says that Allah is responsible for sending Jesus and the “the Gospel,” referring to what we call the New Testament. Each was given to confirm “the Law,” referring to the Old Testament. In describing “the Gospel” we are told that it contains “guidance and light.” From just this verse, I think we are meant to conclude that God has multiple revelations and that these revelations can be used to confirm each other. For example, the New Testament confirms the Old Testament. Second, in the very next sentence the Qur’an affirms that “The People of the Gospel,” referring specifically to Christians, should “judge by what Allah has revealed therein.” That is to say, Christians should judge by what’s in “the Gospel.” Here the author, Mohammed, is inviting Christians to judge his words by the New Testament. He believes that “the Gospel” and his words, the Qur’an, are in agreement. This makes perfect sense in light of the verse we just looked at. In essence, Mohammed is saying that just as the Gospel confirms the Law, which came before it, the Gospel will confirm the Qur’an, which is coming after it. There is a problem here that Christians and Muslims both recognize: The New Testament conflicts with the Qur’an on a number of central doctrines. The Christian, who takes Mohammed at his word and judges the Qur’an by the New Testament, is forced to conclude that Mohammed got it wrong. What does the Muslim say to this? The Muslim’s answer is quite simple. The Qur’an is God’s infallible, uncorrupted word; therefore, “the Gospel” must have been corrupted. Here’s the unstated presupposition: If the New Testament differs with the Qur’an, then it’s the New Testament that must have it wrong. However, when the words of the Qur’an were being written down, Mohammed was communicating that the New Testament and the Old Testament are reliable. In his words, they are “sent” from Allah, they “confirm” each other and contain “guidance and light.” So up until that time in history, “the Gospel” and “the Law” that Mohammed was working from were not corrupted. If they were already corrupted, then his words don’t make any sense. He wouldn’t ask Christians to judge anything by a corrupted book. This leads us to conclude that the corruption must have taken place after the Qur’an was written (620-632 AD). Here’s the problem, and it’s a big one. The manuscript evidence we have gathered from after the Qur’an was written completely agrees with the manuscript evidence we have from before the Qur’an was written. That is to say, the New Testament around at the time of Mohammed is identical to the text we have today. It’s the same text. Even Bart Ehrman, who estimates that there are around 400,000 variants of the New Testament text, affirms that we essentially know what the originals contained. Therefore, whatever was true about the New Testament at the time Mohammed wrote the Qur’an is still true of the New Testament today. Therefore, if the Qur’an is true, then what Mohammed said about the New Testament is also true. Mohammed instructs Christians to judge the Qur’an by what is in the New Testament. Ironically, if you do this you find that the Qur’an hopelessly contradicts what “Allah has revealed” in the New Testament. For example, the New Testament teaches that Jesus died on a cross for the sins of the world and then rose from the dead three days later. Conversely, the Qur’an says that Jesus was never even crucified on a cross and, thus, had no need for a resurrection from the dead. The Christian is forced to conclude that the Qur’an is in error. Therefore, by the Qur’an’s own standard, if the Qur’an is true, then the Qur’an is false.
@@jamezbond78 yes, he is a troll not a bot. He has actually spoken 3 times only, yet also could not answer q's about the Quaran or the faith. I not believe the Quaran is true but that is not the same as a fraud that Lee is.
Sadly, I find I must speak against that which is spoken of above around the period of 22:00 concerning the Resurrection. Cliffe speaks about the pagan Roman Thursday, Friday, and Sunday, as to various times! Before the choice of Hillel II the High Priest of the Sanhedrin during the time of Emperor Constantius, the son of Constantine the Great in the 6th century, for Constantius approached Hillel II telling him he would either be crucified together with the Jews who were being crucified for NOT KEEPING the Pagan Roman Saturday, as their God was Saturn, and of course this is where the so-called Saturday Sabbath falsehood came from. In the days of Messiah, HE lived according to the Lunisolar Calendar, which had NO PLANETARY GOD'S NAMES, after the manner of Pagan Rome. I could elaborate more fully, but I have posted this information elsewhere, and am confident most apologists are aware of these truths, especially concerning the Lunisolar Calendar, and the months of Abib through until Adar, BEGINNING with New Moon Day, ALWAYS the first day of the New Month, with the first Sabbath occurring on the first half moon, the 8th day of the month, then the 15th day when the full moon arrived; thereafter the half moon on the left side of the moon, on Abib 22, and the last day of the month, the 29, on that day when the moon was occluded, and then 1 to 2 days later, New Moon again arrived, without planetary gods names! Sadly, the October 4th 1582 change of the Julian calendar to the Pope Gregory XIII Gregorian calendar, STILL TODAY uses the Julian planetary gods deception, for a Country which for many centuries has called itself a Christian nation, but keeps either Sunday after the Sun, purporting to be after the Resurrection, but believers who were Jews knew nothing of the Julian calendar in the days of Messiah, as the Jews kept the purely numerical Lunisolar calendar. America has been catechized by Papal Rome; however, many are coming away from the Sun's day, and Saturn's day, and the rest of the planetary god's days, not overly seen as such on some, for instance, Tuesday is Mar's day, Wednesday is Mercury's day, Thursday is Jupiter's day and Friday is Venus' day. Scripture speaks of the blindness even of the avowed people of Yahuwah in the last days, from the words of great regret from Revelation: "14: And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of El; 15: I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16: So then because THOU ART LUKEWARM [in your study of the Scriptures and history, as ALL must know how to live as Peter tells us we are to, in 1Peter 2: 21 - 22, as Messiah is our EXAMPLE of how we are to walk in character, as filled with the mind of Messiah (1Corinthians 2: 14 - 16, KJV)!], and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17: Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and KNOWEST NOT that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked [Spiritually speaking!]: 18: I counsel thee to buy of me gold TRIED IN THE FIRE [Where is our gold, tried in fire?], that thou mayest be rich [In character perfection, by the indwelling mind of Messiah (See 1Corinthians 2: 16; 3: 16, 17 KJV)]; and WHITE RAIMENT, that thou mayest be clothed [again in His precious white character!], and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eye-salve, that thou mayest see. 19: As many as I love, I REBUKE AND CHASTEN: BE ZEALOUS THEREFORE, AND REPENT. 20: Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. 21: To him that overcometh [i.e. overcomes sinning, while telling fellow believers there's no need to walk in the EXAMPLE of your Messiah . . .who sinned not!] will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne" (Revelation 3: 14 - 21, KJV, emphasis, Name changes and inserts in brackets, mine). I speak not to condemn, but to tell all these are the words of the Saviour unto the last day believers, out of which are to come the 144,000 [See Rev. Chapter 7], who will bring light to the world, before the Second Coming of Messiah Yahushua, our Master and LORD!
Simply say you don't know your history and I have no other reason to say anything else you obviously don't look at simple history and pay attention to it.
Jacob Fongemie: Tell me something, dear brother: When you and I arrive on the Earth Made New, and know we are experiencing the beauty Adam and Eve would have eternally done so, why is it the Scriptures tell us this amazing story about those days ahead of our present time: "22: For as the new heavens AND THE NEW EARTH, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith Yahuwah, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23: And it shall come to pass, that FROM ONE NEW MOON TO ANOTHER [the beginning of every new month, a holy day unto Yahuwah Elohim], AND FROM ONE SABBATH UNTO ANOTHER, shall all flesh [REDEEMED] come to worship before me, saith YAHUWAH" (Isaiah 66: 22, 23, emphasis, Name changes, and insert in brackets, mine)? On the Earth Made New, throughout Eternity, we will worship the Father even as this was done, by those who left Egypt, and followed after their Torah, which had been dictated by Yahuwah Eloah Almighty to Moses at the top of Sinai, over a period of 80 days, 40 X 2, as Moses came down to settle with the backsliding occurring under Aaron's direction, as he had not the spiritual strength when under pressure, as had his younger brother Moses. Jacob, I am simply speaking the truth, and wanting to help a lovely brother, to check into this truth. This truth IS TRUE HISTORY, as when the pagan Romans came into command of the then known world, Israel was taken over by Rome. It was a combination of self-assured Pharisees who were paying far more attention to the Talmud, a great grouping of Pharisaic teachings speaking on Torah, and so over the years from just before the Babylonian Captivity to the return to Jerusalem and the new Temple, these Pharisees were then receiving as divine instruction, that which were the Pharisees understanding of the Torah - Genesis to Deuteronomy - and this led the Jews of Messiah's day, to fail in receiving Him as Saviour, and too, receive their own feelings on that which was placed in the side of the Ark (See Deuteronomy 31: 26, KJV), as an integral teaching straight from the lips of the Great Yahuwah Almighty, and elders placed their particular "swing" of those words, which set them off to literally receive a brand new satanic belief, called Kabbalah, which led them to a 10 headed god/deity, which taught them about a Mother Goddess (spark or Sephiroth) a Daughter Goddess; a Father God and a Son God, together with six others, these representing the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. This is that ten headed god that in reality is the essence of Haylale the devil, many Jews worship today. It is not all pervasive, dear one, but I assure you, Haylale the devil, bullied the Pharisees with his own selfish love so much, that when the True Messiah arrived, He had to speak to them in this manner: "42: Yahushua said unto them, If El were your Father, YE WOULD LOVE ME, for I proceeded forth and came from El; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43: Why do ye not understand my speech? even because YE CANNOT HEAR MY WORD. 44: Ye are OF YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because THERE IS NO TRUTH IN HIM. When he speak[s] a lie, he speak[s] of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45: And because I tell you the truth, YE BELIEVE ME NOT. 46: Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47: He that is of El hear[s] El's words: ye therefore hear them not, BECAUSE YE ARE NOT OF EL" (John 8: 42 - 47, KJV, emphasis, Name changes, and inserts in brackets, mine). It was obvious the Messiah could not be understood by the leaders of the Jews, as they literally were following due to their relishing as higher than the literal Word of Yahuwah Eloah Almighty - the Talmud - their own Elder's thoughts on those Words of Father Eloah. This has led them to Kabbalah, and many - very many of those highest in their Government in Israel - walk with Haylale, even as Yahushua told them 2000 years ago, yes, even today! SO TOO, when the only extant manuscripts of the Bible were in the hands of the Jews who followed after Haylale the devil, and the Pagan Romans who crucified Messiah for money paid unto them, changed nouns, verbal structures, and today, most all true believers, follow after a Papal Gregorian Calendar, and fail to honor the 4th Commandment, and do not keep the Feast Days Yahushua OUR EXAMPLE followed when He was among us! Peter tells us we are to follow the manner of the Example, Yahushua Messiah, and the Laodicean Message from Revelation 3: 14, is speaking to us, as we walk believing we know all things, but "art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:" (Revelation 3: 17, KJV). If Yahushua were to simply come as a Man to the Earth presently, He would be seeking to find people who follow the Lunisolar calendar, His own calendar in our Skies, and it is likely it would take Him a long time to find a goodly number who are not described by the words unto the Laodiceans from Revelation 3: 14 - 22, KJV. We shall surely see the truth of these words, although we may think then false at this present moment, even though the time is running out very quickly, as the Time of the End occurred in 1922, When Pope Pius XI was set up in the Vatican, which was the Lateran Treaty which healed the Beast's deadly wound, allowing Jesuit tyranny to become alive and well on this Earth once again, TODAY, with a Jesuit Pope Francis I! My prayer is that you who are so beloved of Heaven, will understand the Jesuit order which killed John Kennedy in 1963, and Abe Lincoln in 1865, almost 100 years before Kennedy, are working for Haylale the devil, to destroy the world, that the True Believers the 144, 000, who walk in the footprints of Messiah today, will be wiped out, and all things will be destroyed so quickly, none will understand, nor hold to their faith, when death is the result if you do hold, as during the Protestant Reformation!
@@TruthSeeker7411 I will say, due to my eyesight I missed part of your op. After seeing and very slowly reading your reply, I then reread your OP. I still say about 10% is wrong but I not only agree with the 90%, it includes God's Commandmentson our hearts and not the catholic version. I observe the Sabbath, not the feast days etc... if you want to dialogue, tell me and I will leave my email.
Jacob Fongemie: Thank you dear one, for taking the time to reread, as in truth my dear brother, all I do is to place a word of truth unto those who are SPIRITUALLY ABLE to hear it, and 90% is far more than most hear, but I see by your reply, you are indeed interested. Dear Yacob, I do agapao you, the whole reason for my persistence, but with your interest piqued afresh, I honestly now believe my work is done, and I will be praying for you! I will add, as I mentioned 1922 as the start of the Last Days, with the deadly wound of the Beast power becoming healed (See Revelation 13: 1 - 3, KJV), started in 1922, when Pope Pius XI through the Lateran Treaty, was given Vatican City as Roman Catholicism's new and smaller Throne base, that Pius XI was King of Vatican City State, as you will know, a Country! This will bring you for the sake of becoming more studious concerning what time we live in, to the 8 Kings of Revelation 17: 5 to 17: 18. In 1922, 1/ the first KING of the Vatican Nation State, a True Country, was Pope Pius XI as noted; 2/ the Second King was Pope Pius XII; 3/ the Third King was Pope John XXIII; 4/ the Fourth King was Pope Paul VI; 5/ the Fifth King was Pope John Paul 1, who as you may know, died after but 30 days, as His primary objective was to change the Papal Banking System, and He received the cup of Borgia for that move; 6/ the Sixth Pope was Pope John Paul II, who had a long pontificate, and visited many countries over more than 20 years on the Seat of the Vatican; 7/ the Seventh Pope was Benedict XVI, of whom the Scripture notes: "And there are seven kings: five are fallen [Have passed into death], and one is [This is the Papacy of John Paul II, the papacy which the Apostle John SAW from his seat on the Isle of Patmos, nearly 2000 years John Paul II's Pontificate], and the other[/next, as the Apostle of Patmos, John, had a glimpse very early in John Paul II Pontificate, which lasted to the best of my memory now, over 20 years] is not yet come; and when he cometh [This of course, is Pope Benedict XVI, and we MUST remember, we are counting down from the time 1922, thus Benedict would become the Second Last Pope on the Seat of the Vatican, BEFORE THE SECOND COMING OF THE MASTER YAHUSHUA], he must continue a short space" (Revelation 17: 10, KJV, words in brackets, mine); 8/ and the eighth and last Pope/King on the Seat of Vatican City before the Second Coming of Yahushua Messiah, presently abides on that Seat, Pope Francis 1, the last and also the ONLY Jesuit of Loyola's Tribe, who would also become one of the White Popes of the Vatican! Please Yacob, hear that which I am telling you! Pope Francis I is I believe almost 85 years of age, AND he will be the last Pope to reign, before the Second Coming of the Master, Yahushua Messiah! No man knows the day nor the hour of the Second Coming of Yahushua, but the Father only; however, how long can Francis I last, if close to 85 years of age, and we know he has a number of physical problems, and all one needs to see, is his shape, and we know, he does not take care of himself, although he of course, has the best and brightest the world may offer in medical help! These 8 Kings, are the last 8 Popes of the deadly wound given the Roman Papacy, in 1798, by Napoleon Bonaparte, when he had Berthier take Pope Pius VI captive to France, in that year, because the Jesuits had become so absolutely fiendish in those days, Napoleon had enough, and tore the Papacy to shreds, and none could stop it! If the Papacy were truly Yahuwah Elohim's great Power upon the Earth, Napoleon could have no power that could take it down, and so we see who it is, the Roman Catholic Papacy and their Jesuit Order is working for on the Earth. I have given you enough now, dear brother, that you may know how close the Second coming of Yahushua MUST BE, and hopefully all who read these words, will get back if they need to, to the Study of the Sacred Scriptures, and walk hand in hand, and heart in heart, with the Saviour, Yahushua Messiah. We are closer to the Second Coming, than we could possibly understand! HalleluYah, and awmayne!
Yacob Fongemie: I thought I should allow you to see clearly one more thing, dear brother: 1/ "21: For even hereunto were ye called: because Messiah also suffered for us, leaving us AN EXAMPLE, THAT YE SHOULD FOLLOW HIS STEPS: 22: WHO DID NO SIN, NEITHER WAS GUILE FOUND IN HIS MOUTH:" (1Peter 2: 21, 22, KJV, emphasis mine, Yacob). Of course, this is regarding your believing there is no longer any need for us who walk in the footsteps of Messiah, to walk in the Yearly Feasts! I will make one thing very clear, which understanding your sensitive spiritual understanding, may well be enough to have you rethink and change even this choice you have made, and so please dear one, watch these thoughts from Paul: "28: There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Messiah Yahushua" (Galatians 3: 28, KJV, Name change, mine). Paul tells us nothing but that helps us place the words of Peter, with whom Paul agreed in all things, together with the words of Peter, coming to truth in mixing their words together, knowing they both agree in all things as to the teachings of Messiah. The Holy Spirit, which is the MIND OF MESSIAH (See 1Corinthians 2: 14 - 16, KJV), teaches us, although some will cease keeping the Yearly Feasts because they have been fooled into believing there is a difference in Jewish Messianic ways, and so-called Christian ways - people who came not out of the loins of Abraham/Yacob - are herein met by words from Paul which cause us to rethink this thought! Obviously coming from the line of Abraham, Peter tells us, WE MUST FOLLOW AFTER MESSIAH as our True Example concerning all things that we must adhere unto spiritually when walking in and by the faith! And at the same time, although not exactly as to time, but closely related as to time, Paul explains unto the non-Jews who were once called "pagans," Paul tells us respectfully: "28: There is neither Jew nor Greek [The differences between Gentiles/Greeks and Abraham's children have been negated, such that the WAY of the Master Yahushua as EXAMPLE, must now become the Way unto all, both Jew and Gentile, for they all have become one in Him], there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Messiah Yahushua" (Galatians 3: 28, KJV, Insert in brackets & Name change, mine)." To even be clearer, I say these words with the fingers: If a Messianic Jew were to seek out in a small Town, a gathering of Jews, and not be able to find it, s/he when things are all as they should have been according to the writings of the prophets of Tanakh as well as the New Testament, s/he should be able to find even in a small Town, a gathering of Gentiles, which is living up to whatever the reasoning for the coming together of the Jews, as in ALL THINGS, according the The Scriptures, Gentiles and Jews are the same! I make this statement, and believe this to truly be the case, Yacob: Yahushua Messiah in MY opinion, will return to this old Earth at His Second Coming, some year in the future, ON THE FIRST DAY OF TABERNACLES! The Feast of Tabernacles in its deeper spiritual manner, which was not seen by the Jews in the days of Messiah Yahushua, as to the Feast of Tabernacles at that time, although the Bible does not tell us this in the New Testament, is a Feast to commemorate the Fact that when Messiah was born of His mother, Miriam, all points betoken that Yahushua's birth was the First Day of Tabernacles! The huts which were built during Tabernacles and lived in during the Feast, spoke unto the FACT Him Who created the human race and all of those physical aspects which made this earth to be a self-sustaining world, which could forever remain able to hold life of all species created thereupon, CAME UNTO THAT WHICH HE CREATED, and was born of His mother Miriam, for the amazingly captivating reason, that this True Son of the Father Yahuwah Eloah Almighty, might as Creator allow His life to be destroyed by the miscreants of this earth, that as Creator, and a Sinless Sacrificial Offering unto His Own Father, would because speaking unto Father of a love that we who have come from our historical beginnings in sinful nature, have within the not born-again mind, NOTHING whereby we can see such an Offering, might speak spectacularly to Father Yahuwah of His Greatest Joy in receiving this Offering, which granted the Father the ability to forgive all of the sins of everyone who would accept Yahushua as his/her Saviour, and allow the provisions of the Way Everlasting (See Psalms 139: 24, KJV), to recreate from sinful mankind, new sentient creatures, after the example of Yahuwah's own Son, Yahushua, sinless and agapé loving humans, desiring to abide together with Father, Son and a multitude of sinless angels, who retained their first estate, and would not think to follow after the footsteps of the Angel once called Lucifer, but now called Haylale, due to his love of self, and such stiff-necked determination, he will not be happy until he brings down the whole of the latter day population of the Earth, unto eternal destruction! As we think on these things, help us together, Yacob, to ensure we are pleasing the Father and His Son our Saviour, every moment of these days into which we sadly walk, as they are becoming more complex, and we feel for those who have no desire to see the truth, nor live in it now and eternally! Be blessed brother, and remember, I am praying for you and yours, awmayne!
Theew was something otherwise there isnt a creator or creators, we don't know what it took to make the Universe but lets say man was responsible for the creation of the Universe, hence through evolution of man he became capable of creating a Universe, this may be the case for humans in the future and they will refer to us as gods, creation is a beautiful thing especially when speaking of Earth and its inhabitants.
Since the universe had a beginning, time space and matter had a beginning. The cause of time, space and matter cannot be made of time, space and matter. The figure that transcends time, space and matter is God.
@Baby Kush if thats your struggle hell god dont burn people for eternity he destroy them christ refers to hell as a destruction of sin not a torture of people it will be immense pain not forever simple hyperbole to enfacise the power of god and the pain they will feel. I mean death is associated with sin why talk about death if they live weather in hell or heaven ,it's not like that is them perishing in hell, its not existing my guy and I hope you put your faith in christ.
@Baby Kush god on judgment day. Everyone who has received a reward of death or life will accept it and now the knee no one will be judged unrighteously therefore if that is the issue there solved god bless and put your faith in christ
Speaking of what is reasonable or probable are valid things to consider when forming an opinion and concluding complex design speaks to a creator or creators. I think those final conclusions seem like a final end point to this investigation to life origin. The jump that becomes more difficult for me is the jump to a single creator and the conclusion that this creator is the God of the Bible. At this point the arguments become far more difficult to draw any conclusions from.
@@thywillbedone3334 thanks for the reply. I don’t struggle to see how everything came through a God or gods but my only final and fair conclusion from the whole complex design requiring a creator or creators simply rests at this conclusion. That is a fair end point no? I think it is a perfectly fair point made by creationists that such extreme complexity beckons a conclusion of intelligent creation but jumping to the God of the Bible or Koran is a a few more jumps.
@@brandtl1486 hi.. Apologies.. I misread your statement, I thought you were looking to reason on the points you had noted, to further your search. But it is as you have written, I've come to a point and I'm happy to stop. 😂 Have great day.. Oh yeah....... And God bless you 😂.
Anyone have an idea of when this was filmed? I read in the comments on another video that these are being re-released from a few years ago. GREAT work, Cliff!
@@leeman3517 I'd better read the book used by the People of the Book. It's much better than the often discredited Koran and its many versions. I have heard that a sheep liked to eat the Koran, though. th-cam.com/video/LajSmnUmz9A/w-d-xo.html
@@godislove363 You're right. On another thread, he tried to write in English but it was not understandable so I thought I'd try Arabic. I think he's from Indonesia so they speak something else and may not speak Arabic at all, either. We should try...sometimes, anyway. Thanks, Jacob and have a good one.
If y'all haven't seen a documentary called... It's worse then you think... By revelations of Jesus Christ ministry... I suggest you do... All praise and glory to the most high Jesus Christ
I love how he had to cut it at the end to make it look like he ended this dude but in reality... The guy was saying we can’t go by written accounts 1000 of years after the fact. And the preacher dude said even videos can be doctored, well doesn’t that just further back up the kids point. If we can’t even believe video evidence why should we believe eyewitness accounts?
@Prometheus Guy Hang on?, you're saying the Bible doesn't contain magical tales? I would strongly disagree with that. You're absolutely right that science doesn't explain everything, but it explains a heck of a lot about our planet and the life found on it.
The gospel 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and read Romans 5:9 and 10:9-10 The power of God, 1 Corinthians 1:18-23 and Romans 1:16;17 "Where will you spend eternity?"
I love how Cliffe is so respectful to the opposite side of his arguments. It's so hard to find people like that nowadays.
Usually it’s just arguments and strong disrespect towards the other side which is just an instant turn off
@@braxtongerber5026 Right? I only argue if we’re both being respectful. If you don’t want your side to talk or if you keep insulting them, then it’s not an argument.
@@TallyFox2 and if both sides are heated, no consensus can be made anyways.
Agreed 👍🤔
@@braxtongerber5026 well that’s just politics, right? Lol I’m only joking.
Cliff is one of the best apologetics teacher, up there with Frank Turek and William lane Craig.
Yet claims the world is 15 billion yrs old 🤷🏻♂️
@@Unique_Monk why don't you think it is?
@@Josiahministries
1- scientific evidence conflicts with that fact
2- Jesus reinforces Genesis - to believe in Yeshua & evolution is blatant hypocrisy
If you want to debate science or religion go for it - but make sure you know what you’re claiming first plse
@@Unique_Monk Is Jesus Christ your lord and savior?
@@Unique_Monk Yeah. You are right William Lane Craig believes in billions of years as the age of the earth, but old earth creationists will tend to base a lot of their belief on the evidence that evolutionists will alude to through carbon dating, when looking at the historical scientific evidence for the age of the earth. The carbon dating methods used by old earthers tend to point to billions of years, leading to the conclusion of an old earth rather than a young earth. God bless.
I love how Cliff treats Russell with respect and how Russell listens and considers Cliff's argument. Debate does not need to be argument. We can all learn a lot from these two guys. I once heard it said that an atheist needs to have incredible faith because they have a lot to lose if they are wrong. Russell appears to get that.
We need more people like the first debater and Cliffe these days. Two people who can disagree and listen to the other person.
I’ve been watching this show for well over 16 years and I’ve learned so much from Cliffe (and now Stuart). I still play these over and over to continually educate myself.
What Cliffe does is extremely difficult and challenging. What a legend.
Very true
@@paulwilfridhunt The Koran? Really?
@@billyholly no no not the Koran
@@paulwilfridhunt So you weren't commenting on Lee Man's post? That is from the Koran.
@@leeman2177 Your book says to follow the "people of the book." Why is that?
Even with the universe being 14-billion years old, there's still not enough time for chance to have given us what we have.
Yup exactly.
Who has asserted chance is involved. I have never encountered a phenomenon where chance was _known_ to be involved. All phenomena I have encountered (objects, events, processes, substances, entities, systems, or beings) seem to _emerge_ from necessary and sufficient antecedents over some finite amount of time no matter how brief or epoch the interval. Have you encountered differently?
Theo Skeptomai the atheist claims chance is involved..
@@cameroneagle4370 And do you assert that all atheists hold that same conviction?
Theo Skeptomai of course, that's what they believe lol..that everything came to be by chance and accident .....I'm I wrong?
I really sat through this and love every second of it I am a Christian and he really helped clear things up for me thank you!
@@leeman3517 Islam ripped off The Bible.
@@SolidPain6624 You mean Islam is false, right??
God bless you brother
His ability to always bring every thing back to Christ is wonderful.
Such respect and love shown here
“God knows it’s so complex” haha that’s exactly right . Good kid man. He seems like he’s on his journey to seek the truth. And the truth , the way and the life is Jesus. And soon he shall see that Jesus is what he was searching for !
They usually don’t allow video as evidenced in court but they do always allow eye witness testimony
@@leeman2177 what does the quran say about the bible? What does it say about jesus? What does the quran say about his word? Therefore the quran is true the bible is true since bible is true the quran is false?
@@bhumble8429 yes quaran is false
@@leeman3517 it is false and the quaran is only suppose to be written and talked about in arabic
@@leeman3517 quoting out of context pieces if the book without any discussion does nothing for anyone except to make yourself feel virtuous
@@leeman3517 care to have a actual discussion? You quote scripture about disobeying the lord but do you believe Jesus christ is God? Because if you don't then your are disobeying God
I have some max respect for this kid. Very respect and recognizes when he is wrong. Not trying to be cool but trying to actually learn
Mr Knechtle, I just want to thabk you. In 2008 I was obsessed with "truth" and got into Eckhart Tolle's books and Oprah and Deepak etc. I stumbled onto your video whilst ironing and christianity was always the LAST place I would've looked for Truth. Your teachings and conversations really prepared my heart to hear the gospel. A year later I repented and came to faith in Christ. I did, however, end up in a really confusing church that doesn't teach scripture in context (Hillsong) till 2015 but now and other good biblical Scripture is my highest authority while here on earth. But.... my journey began in Christ because of you.... So THANK YOU MY PRECIOUS BROTHER IN CHRIST ❤🙏❤ always wanted to thank you 😊😊😊
Amen and God bless and welcome and there are many Treasures Rosa truths to learn especially in these hard times may your journey be enriched with no only truth but even more passion and love for our Eternal Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ in the Holy Spirit.
Scripture is not your highest authority. Proper interpretation of Scripture is essential to understand truth. Christianity is a splintered church with so many groups contradicting each other. Yet Jesus said Go ye therefore teach all nations. The Church Jesus established is the Catholic Church. It teaches clearly on so many issues- abortion, contraception, divorce and remarriage, the meaning of the Blessed Eucharist, the role of Mary, etc. I’m rejoicing you have given your heart to Jesus and l hope you find your way to the Church He founded. Blessings
@@larryluch8178 in all due respect sir, please don't state your OPINION as FACT to me, that is extremely condescending. Scripture IS my highest authority. The Holy Spirit brings to memory all interpretation of scripture in context, with proper hermeneutics to memory and will lead to all Truth ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE, AS IT IS WRITTEN.
I fear you are deep in deception if you are under the authority of Rome. It is a works based religion that does not lead to salvation and misinterprets scripture amd is steeped in blood of the saints and secrer occultish sins, including hiding the rape amd sodomy of children and to make it all worse, the papacy has been considered for Centuries by the protestants, the reformers and the puritans to be the anti Christ. No one on earth will EVER convince me to step one inch of my toe in that SYNAGOGUE of Satan. I mean no disrespect, but Truth is Truth. Please don't waste your breath trying to convince me otherwise, it will avail nothing but strife, as there is no doubt at all in my mind that Roman Catholicism is not true christianity. It is an abomination of Christ. More Christians have died by the hands of Roman Catholicism than Jews were killed in the holocaust. Please open your eyes.
May God lead you to all Truth, may you put your bias aside and search this matter out in the scripture So you will be set free and saved.
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@@allyy210 Condescending! I apologize, it was unintentional. Catholics are not saved by works, Jesus is the Savior. Works are the gifts of the Holy Spirit to us to help fulfill the mandate of Jesus Go ye therefore teach all nations. From the beginning betrayers infiltrated so it’s the same now in Catholic and all communities. No true Catholic would attempt to defend sin. Catholics are baptized in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. The faithful ones proclaim Jesus as Lord. Yet you say we’re not true Christians. I think you’re focusing too much on the Judas among us. St Francis, St Terese, Mother Theresa of Calcutta, Maximilian Kolbe we’re all Catholics and lived holy lives. Thank you for your prayers, they’re always needed. In return l have given your name to Jesus for protection.
@@larryluch8178 ❤ go in peace, may He hold us all, who love Him and seek Truth, in His bosom.🙏🙏
My last name is Whewell. These just run in my blood, always have. Having a passionate conversation or debate, and maintaining it without "some type" of violation takes a great deal of skill and deplomacy. And helping them, takes grace, thank you sir!!!
I love these videos. Praise the Lord. 🙌🏾
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atheist or theist...THIS is how it's done folks. No acrimony, no insults, just pure perspective and mutual respect leading to growth of both parties
This is so good, I really enjoy these
Lee Man 2 are you speaking out of your ass again?...sounds like it
@@thechosen2545 go away fraud
I loved the last guy, he has clearly read multiple sides and arguments and has a good understanding of what he believes in. That is the best person to debate with imo
If someone goes to target and two people see it and then years later the two people recount it. One remembers the person walking in right door and the other remembers the person walking in left door. But the point is, it doesn't matter...they both remember the person walking into target.
Another point I would add is:
If the 4 Gospels were identical there would still be an objection like, "they conspired on their stories" or, "they all copied from each other. Thus, its all made up".
Its the same thing in court
(I have no study or job in connection to how Law/Legal/Court works) but, from what I understand is if eyewitness tell stories that are identical you should start to to be suspicious.
It's expected to be small variations, but not on the big pieces of the testimony.
Clif is one of the best.bles God .🙏🙏🙏🙏
Excellent discussion. No atheist I've ever spoken to has claimed that "life came from Non life" .. the question regarding how life originated is currently beyond the scope of human understanding. Because we don't know is not the same as saying "life came from non life".
You don’t know because you deny science & logic 🤷🏻♂️
@@Unique_Monk Great. How did we come about then? The Big Bang cannot just make matter out of thin air and energy.
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“Thin air and energy” would be matter making matter 🤷♂️
@@Unique_Monk I love science and logic Gary.
@@braxtongerber5026 Thats the big unanswered question Braxton. Should humans know everything? In the past, when mankind didn't have an answer for a given phenomenon they would invoke a God as the answer. Science has slowly given us lots of answers to those questions. There are more things in the universe that we *don't* know than we *do* know.
I really feel sorry for the first student, i will pray for him. Boy, i´m glad that i´m smart on another level..... Love Jesus!
Are these brand new videos? If so keep it up they’re great
no i think they are recycled videos
Russell is the MVP of atheists! It was a pleasure to listen to Russell! He has an open mind! I pray that he comes to Christ, but he definitely has the open mind to do so.
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JESUS CHRISTUS IS THE ONE AND ONLY
Prove it
It’s impossible to prove it. Doesn’t mean it’s not true. Jesus is the only way.
Cliff is incredibly patient. He does his part in sharing God’s truth and then let’s God take care of the rest. The point here is still to get more souls to believe in God and His awesome being rather than to debate. It is important for us believers to gain that patience like Cliff. We need to understand that these are people who have been denying the existence of God for a very long time. Satan will not let them off easily. Satan wants them to keep doubting, to keep denying and staying away from anything God-related because he, more than us; believers & unbelievers, know how true and real God is. The word of God convicts us to change. Though uncomfortable, change is necessary. The habits, the way of life and our way of thinking changes because of God. This is why most prefer to not believe because they are afraid of the change.
Didn't like how evolution was put as a random process, it is not random. Its a process which non randomly uses random mutations to ultimately lead to the changing of the genes found in the current species found. The unlikely events include the formation of life and the the formation of intelligent life. But using the anthropic principle that can be reasonably comprehended I think
I concur Maria, lots of Christians will also use the "it's just a theory" argument, without knowing that a 'scientific theory' is the highest accolade any branch of science can achieve. It's nothing to do with the word 'theory' as used in daily usage..as in a hunch or a guess. And you are right, it's not a random process, it very much depends on lots of variables.
@@leeman3517check out this video th-cam.com/video/73q2P7EgTvk/w-d-xo.html dont know what u r trying to convey but at least maybe i can convince u for the separation of church and state
@@maria6451 Absolutely spot on Maria, great video, he explains it so succinctly. We're all products of the environment we live in to varying degrees.
@@leeman3517 Lee, did you actually watch that video that Maria linked?, rather than simply quoting verses from the Qur'an, it would be good to hear your own personal thoughts. If I stopped you in the street and asked you for the time, .. and you simply quoted a line from the Qur'an, .. i'd think there was something wrong with you. You were kind enough to tell me where you're from in the States, .. that's a good start. 😊
* anthropic principle.
I would love to attend a service by Cliff. It truly is a blessing to here the teachings of Jesus Christ
I’ve seen nearly every video. Thank you for recycling them and I hope you never stop recycling them.
Right? A good way I keep tally of the ones I watch is to click the like button on em' lol
@@MarioNotLuigi samee lol 😂
Russell is correct in all his thinking and the Theories and Hypothesis he brings up are very good.... but so is Cliffe on his points, his correct as well.... i think what's most important is a dialogue between people and that everybody argues their points respectfully.... i know for a fact i would rather live in a Moral Theist society who preach Jesus then any other society, but i also will not deny the fact that science needs free reign to keep asking questions on the existence of god and by doing that, i totally believe that the more we understand the universe and the more we understand about the origins of life.... the more closer we will move to God..... Science + Theism = Good Life
In our post modern thinking world, everyone wants to be a philosopher, but ignore common sense
Yes, yes.
Big bang
"Let there be light"
This guy has real wisdom only given by God.
Prove it 😄
@@jasonnoble7814 Go and refute him. Dummy!
Psalms 1, Psalms 24,
Psalms 91, Psalms 139,
Haggai 2:8,
It was interesting hearing there isn’t enough evidence toward the Bible, I would’ve said sir how long ago was the Bible written? ...okay so if the Bible was written that long ago people lost their life’s for Christ for a righteous course, and 500 eye witnesses confirmed that it was him not to mention its the Christianity its the largest “religion” which I have to agree being a Christian isn’t a religion it’s being a follower of Christ. Anyways if that isn’t enough for you then I don’t know what is. What was the one of the reasons Jesus died on the cross... so they he could be reach to all the world for salvation. That’s your evidence. Not to mention there wasn’t phones, video recorders, only hand written, that is why God word is everlasting because it stands the test of time. Yes words can be altered but those are offshoots of men logic which God and Jesus doesn’t like not to mention his disciples predicted that.
Lived right down the street from the University of Arizona in Tucson for many years I recognize this place right away.
Is very engaging
Please post videos everyday
These are old videos, you can watch them all on channel
@Edmond Dantes lol i have seen all videos old and new
I used to think that as well that because of the size of the Universe and the amount of planets mathematically was almost a given that life could exist somewhere else...until I found out about the fine running of the Cosmos and the irreductible complexity in the design. That makes life literally a miracle
Which year were these recorded?
I’ve been following from the first time I ever had the recommendation from youtube
i give people like cliffe alot of credit for what they do preaching in the open like they do its not easy especially when you get close minded arrogant self worth young adults who think the world revolves around them and also think that everything is owed to them they have no desire or curiosity to learn about truth its funny how these young kids who are brain washed still walking around with dirty diapers want to teach an educated man like cliffe about life and the universe and of course the best book ever the bible
Evolution is a fairytale.
Yeah “God did it”
Lol
@@jasonnoble7814 imi
Evolution is a demonstrable fact.
@@chimpanzeethat3802 HAHAHAHA this was really good bro
New species have evolved in your own lifetime you silly man.
I love Cliff. This dude is Godly knowledgeable and amazing to watch debate the Truth.
I think you meant debate against the truth.
@@brochestedbs What's the truth? Tell us
This young man rejects the idea that nothing can create everything or even anything for that matter but experience, throughout the history of the world, proves that something has never been created from nothing!
In Cliffe this passage come true. 2 Corinthians 10:5
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ
Atheism seems very guilty of "I dunno of the gaps" lol. Also at about 27:30 the skeptic guy says "The game of telephone proves the story changes after 8 people". But the skeptic dude can't use that objection as even Paul writes that many of the eyewitnesses (to Christ Resurrection) are alive even until this day and you can even go talk to them" So the game of telephone objection falls on it's face.
Well done Cliffe!! Praise God!!!
Praise tge most high god of Isreal
Its funny how the guy said "emerged to seem like it had a function" (4:34). John Walton wrote in his book 'The Lost World of Genesis 1' "...people in the ancient world believed that something existed not by virtue of its material properties, but by virtue of it having a function in the ordered system... In this sort of functional ontology, the sun does not exist by virtue of its material properties, or even by its function as a burning ball of gas. Rather, it exists by virtue of the role that it has in its sphere of existence, particularly in the way that it functions for humankind and human society."
That's exactly what Genesis 1 is about. God bringing order and function to a chaotic system
Man I just found cliffs work! This is so good! And not only is he as intelligent and quick whitted as a whip, hes got an anointing of the Holy Ghost all over him too. It's great to see.
Some of these people. Smh. Anyone ever see Rush Hour...."Do you understand the wooorrrrdddssss that are comin outta my mouth?" Cliff is a most patient individual.
9:55 it has been calculated. Cliffe just isnt saying the mathematics because hes not a mathematician. The point of the argument is it is not probable given the time span of the universe to have occurred anywhere near one time. Given all of the things that need to be exactly how they are in the universe to support and sustain life (or matter even...) its like well over 10^1000, so like I said, the chances of that happening randomly is so low its "improbable." Not in 15 billion years, not in 15^500 years. Not even close. For gravity alone to be as perfect as it is to support stars and planets, its 10^40 (10 followed by 40 zeros) even that is way beyond 15 billion years!!
7:47 Love to see it respect
I ❤️ this “show” ❤️❤️❤️❤️
I love you cliff forever.
I think it would really help these students, just as it helped me, to understand what the implications of time-space being infinite are (protip: it cannot be)
It is reassuring to me that I am not the only one who has an imaginary,supernatural friend who tells me the right things.
Here at the Institute for the Criminally Insane, we have lots of invisible friends telling us to do things.
@@vuho2075 A good Christian only needs one imaginary supernatural friend to tell them who to kill...oh wait, there is also an imaginary supernatural son to tell them not to kill...so confusing for them.
Very smart teaching in parables this is how Christ tried to get us to understand our world his included. I think we miss that and apply his teachings in our little worlds but he always would say "the kingdom of heaven is like unto." If u want to understand heaven look no further then ur home and seek the one they called Jesus of Nazareth. Is adam and eve our first parents or an office in gods holy order? If god created other worlds does his son atonement apply to those worlds? Do they have their own holy word where they learn about earth who was wicked enough to crucify their god? Its crazy when the possibilities if u add the fact that ressurected jesus christ would not be limited by time and space. This is no simulation u are here but the answers will come and u may be surprised what ur called to do have faith and love one another thats all we have to do right now. An athiest should look at the parable of the talents and see how they really honed in on the one but the master of the vinyard was angry cause it profots him and in turn his house nothing. Christ taught to let ur light shine and that a light hidden is goof for nothing. The expanse and more specifically this world have both a spiritual and physical creation just like everyone here. It will also help to understand that the scriptures teach that we lived before (although mainstream christianity misses this fact) u were born that u are here of ur own volition. Seek the knowledge you cannot see but u can feel. If u have to think of ur body as an antenna and the light of christ as wifi go for it, but isp service is not free just like ur worldly education everything comes at a price nothing in this world is free and christ paid the ultimate price and all of our accounts will be due one day for an accounting. gl my athiest brothers ur all very intelligent. Maybe to intelligent 😉❤
that cunning plan of the evil one! O the vainness, and the frailties, and the foolishness of men! When they are learned they think they are wise, and they hearken not unto the counsel of God, for they set it aside, supposing they know of themselves, wherefore, their wisdom is foolishness and it profiteth them not. And they shall perish.
29 But to be learned is good if they hearken unto the counsels of God.
Just think of what u could do if u were born again. 🎓
Matthew 6:22
The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
Cliff, you have a great relationship with some of the word of God, there is much power and wisdom in it. There is more of a relationship that we can have if we open up to it and see more of the truth as we seek it. God the Father has a body and Jesus Christ has a body, the Son is the express image of the Father, their bodies in this universe are not eternal but the spirit of God is. If we are to dwell in eternity with God we must be or become eternal ourselves, and so our spirits are from the Father of all spirits. There are many scriptures on this subject but the one that is the most comprehensive from the Bible is Hebrews 1: “2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;”
Cliff your arguments are so reasonable they can’t handle it
Thank you!
Cliffe and his son are great.
@@leeman2177 I dont know? How will they?
@@leeman2177 Well then that settles it.
@@leeman2177 This might be true.
@@leeman2177 Thats interesting. Tell me more.
@@who-lo-lolee-oh1079 he's not really a Muslim
There seems to be a lot of confusion around what Einstein believed concerning god. Some of his quotes give small hints that he was a theist. Others give hints that he wasn't. Others hint that he was a pantheist. Here is one of his quotes: “The most beautiful emotion we can experience is the mysterious. It is
the fundamental emotion that stands at the cradle of all true art and
science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder
and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead… To sense that behind
anything that can be experienced there is something that our minds
cannot grasp, whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly:
this is religiousness. In this sense, and in this sense only, I am a
devoutly religious man.”
A natural occurrence, perhaps the universe opens and closes like a flower.
I'd really appreciate it is someone can give me a reference to what Cliff said here concerning Einstein's beliefs: 2:23 I can't find one.
Cliff, how about, reading the story of how sin started and then tell them about the sacrifice of the unblemished lamb and because of sin, blood was required.
I wonder if Cliff really believes his statement about the creation of the universe starting 15 billion years ago. I think it's more likely (according to the Bible) that God created the universe and the world less than 10,000 years ago. I could see how this might be a method of his to relate to the science "worshipers" in the group by explaining that while, 15 billion years is along time, it's still a finite time compared to an eternal God creating time-space-matter.
There are isotopes with half-lives in excess of a billion years.
And I want that you have faith that the person who wrote it was correct, you didn't see it happen you didn't experience it but you believe it you believe it's true so therefore it has to be true you have faith that it's true!
I live in a God created universe amen 🙏
That first young man was a great example of what young people should be like nowadays but unfortunately they are def not . He’s was well mannered respectful and polite even though I don’t agree with him . I pray God will speak to him and open his eyes 🙏
Proverbs 16:7
When a man's ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him.
It is ironic that most, if not all, of what we know is based on 'eye witness' testimony. The one guy tries to discredit the gospels because they are so, yet any other, and I do mean ANY other historical figure is always rtecognized based on someone else's testimony. Even the young man himself cannot prove that he is who he claims to be without outside testimony or documentation, the ultimate being his birth certificate. Where his mother claims him to be her son born on such and such a date and time, at such and such a location, with so and so being his father and witnessed by the appropriate authorities. It is with that testimony that he can claim his individuality.
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If you open up the Qur’an to Sura 5 titled “The Gospel of Jesus: Guidance and Light,” you will read the following:*
[5:46] And in their footsteps We sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and conformation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah. [5:47] Let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah has revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel. [Emphasis mine.]
First, take note that the Qur’an actually says that Allah is responsible for sending Jesus and the “the Gospel,” referring to what we call the New Testament. Each was given to confirm “the Law,” referring to the Old Testament. In describing “the Gospel” we are told that it contains “guidance and light.” From just this verse, I think we are meant to conclude that God has multiple revelations and that these revelations can be used to confirm each other. For example, the New Testament confirms the Old Testament.
Second, in the very next sentence the Qur’an affirms that “The People of the Gospel,” referring specifically to Christians, should “judge by what Allah has revealed therein.” That is to say, Christians should judge by what’s in “the Gospel.” Here the author, Mohammed, is inviting Christians to judge his words by the New Testament. He believes that “the Gospel” and his words, the Qur’an, are in agreement. This makes perfect sense in light of the verse we just looked at. In essence, Mohammed is saying that just as the Gospel confirms the Law, which came before it, the Gospel will confirm the Qur’an, which is coming after it.
There is a problem here that Christians and Muslims both recognize: The New Testament conflicts with the Qur’an on a number of central doctrines. The Christian, who takes Mohammed at his word and judges the Qur’an by the New Testament, is forced to conclude that Mohammed got it wrong.
What does the Muslim say to this? The Muslim’s answer is quite simple. The Qur’an is God’s infallible, uncorrupted word; therefore, “the Gospel” must have been corrupted. Here’s the unstated presupposition: If the New Testament differs with the Qur’an, then it’s the New Testament that must have it wrong.
However, when the words of the Qur’an were being written down, Mohammed was communicating that the New Testament and the Old Testament are reliable. In his words, they are “sent” from Allah, they “confirm” each other and contain “guidance and light.” So up until that time in history, “the Gospel” and “the Law” that Mohammed was working from were not corrupted. If they were already corrupted, then his words don’t make any sense. He wouldn’t ask Christians to judge anything by a corrupted book. This leads us to conclude that the corruption must have taken place after the Qur’an was written (620-632 AD).
Here’s the problem, and it’s a big one. The manuscript evidence we have gathered from after the Qur’an was written completely agrees with the manuscript evidence we have from before the Qur’an was written. That is to say, the New Testament around at the time of Mohammed is identical to the text we have today. It’s the same text. Even Bart Ehrman, who estimates that there are around 400,000 variants of the New Testament text, affirms that we essentially know what the originals contained. Therefore, whatever was true about the New Testament at the time Mohammed wrote the Qur’an is still true of the New Testament today.
Therefore, if the Qur’an is true, then what Mohammed said about the New Testament is also true. Mohammed instructs Christians to judge the Qur’an by what is in the New Testament. Ironically, if you do this you find that the Qur’an hopelessly contradicts what “Allah has revealed” in the New Testament. For example, the New Testament teaches that Jesus died on a cross for the sins of the world and then rose from the dead three days later. Conversely, the Qur’an says that Jesus was never even crucified on a cross and, thus, had no need for a resurrection from the dead. The Christian is forced to conclude that the Qur’an is in error. Therefore, by the Qur’an’s own standard, if the Qur’an is true, then the Qur’an is false.
Historical evident is important if u not believe it.how do you know your parent are is true or real parent .with out evidence( photo,history,eye witness..)
Amen.
what about creating male & female. not only in humans but animals too... and critters.. did that happened by chance too? i don't think so.. we are made in such an art that if you study how the body works... it will amaze you! love God!
Amen.
The problem with evolution the way the first kid sees it is this: he actually brought up the eye and it's complexity himself and the fact of the matter is the eye is not a product of evolution because if one part of the eye is changed, it ceases to work so in other words the eye we have today has always been the eye that existed. it is an enormously complex design that has been this way since the beginning of time.
The young chap at the beginning, although not too clear in his language, was able to stand up to this religion-promoter.
Phylosophers and mathematicians have been trying to solve the problem of an infinte past for thousands of years. They allways come to the same conclusion. If time, space, and matter was infinate, today never would have arrived. An infinate past is mathematically impossible.
Love to see demonstrated how blind chance can make a seeing eye. Where can I observe this?
Evolution is not a blind chance process.
@@chimpanzeethat3802 explain this and where can I observe? Thanks
It's a common misconception. Mutations are random by definition but natural selection and sexual selection are non-random.
Organisms adapting to a changing environment isn't random either.
You could argue that it involves an element of chance, because it isn't guided by anything other than the environment and genetic change in populations of animals.
But it's not strictly a random chance process because it's based on the way advantageous traits are more likely to be selected for and passed on to offspring if they provide the opportunity for those organisms to thrive.
You can't observe eyeballs popping into existence in a single moment in time, simply because that's not how it works. Evolution at every level is just small incremental changes piled atop one another. You can look back through history to find the species with the most rudimentary eyesight, eyes that barely function at all apart from being able to detect changes in light, and then gradually throughout time you had other organisms with more improved vision. Including changes to the layout of the eyes from the sides of the head to eyes forward facing with binocular vision.
You can even pinpoint the moment when the earliest primates gained the ability to see in full colour. A mutation in OPN1MW produced OPN1LW, the protein essential for colour vision.
As far as being able to observe evolution is concerned you actually can do that. New species have evolved in your own lifetime.
But it doesn't involve huge changes in a single step like a lot of people seem to believe. It's just small incremental changes piled atop one another.
Every new genus or species is just a slightly modified version of the species before it. It doesn't involve one species producing a completely different kind of organism in a single macroevolution event.
@@chimpanzeethat3802 How can an organism that has rudimentary eyesight decide to grow the next step to improve it and how could it possibly know how that is accomplished? The difference between the eyes of different kinds of animals is way way more complex than the best intelligence we have can engineer. A change couldn’t be selected for one step. There are so many structures in life that are irreducibly complex that evolution is refuted thousands of times over. It can’t evolve one step randomly and then be selected for reproduction for a change that doesn’t work yet. A single living cell is like a self-replicating nano-factory that has more information than millions of pages of text that has to be in precise order to direct cell function. What is your best evidence against irreducible complexity?
I think the young man wants to say, “for the sake of argument” , if there was no eyewitness testimony as such , what other object reasons does he have for believing In Christ ? His other related point is, he wants to eyewitness accounts “off limits “ for the discussion , because what do we make of the flaws in accepting eyewitness accounts written many years after the facts occurred? Cliff is usually head on but here I felt he was dodging what the kid was getting at. he wants to know what other “evidences” there are. Fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy might be one of them. Of course I love cliffs distinction between evidence and proof (and faith and knowledge), And really if there were proof what would the beauty and purpose of this faith. CS Lewis articulates faith and faithfulness beautifully as well, with a different wrinkle
So I had a conversation with an atheist and he said that he died twice and both times he saw darkness. And God told me to ask him if he was aware of the darkness I said if he died and he saw darkness that means he was aware consciously of the darkness itself!
4:35 "And that is explainable by science." Not it isn't. If any reader thinks it is, please provide a couple of empirically verifiable examples to support the claim...
So far no takers.
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We're just 60 minutes in. Gotta at least give 'em 2-hours...
@@jessebryant9233 on other threads they are asserting lies then say they are asserting nothing.
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Trolls are gonna troll. Not much we can do but... ignore 'em.
@@jessebryant9233 nope I am confronting their emptiness. Their thoughts are less than Jason's and as absurd as Tom's. This new baby kush is a phony.
If god always acts in accordance with his nature (whatever that means), then he still must have more than one viable option that does not contradict his nature if he is to ''claim free will.'' Otherwise, he is a slave to his nature, like a robot, and not a free personal agent. What would the word "option" mean to a being who created all options?
Some say that "free will" with god does not mean what it means with humans. But how are we to understand this? What conditions of free will would a christian scrap in order to craft a "free agency" for god? Multiple options? Desire? Freedom? Power? Potential to avoid?
Perhaps desire could be jettisoned. Desire implies a lack, and a perfect being should lack nothing. But it would be a very strange "person" with no needs or desires. Desire is what prompts a choice in the first place. It also contributes to assessing whether the decision was reasonable. Without desire, choices are willy-nilly, and not true decisions at all. Besides, ''the biblical god expressed many desires.'' Basically this supposed god is RELYING on his ''faulty creations'' (the fall of adam & eve) to go around and CONVINCE each other that he exists, that's preposterous.!!!
No objection saves the christian god, he does not exist. Perhaps a more modest deity can be imagined: one that is not both personal and all-knowing, both all-knowing and all-powerful, both perfect and free. But until a god is defined coherently, and then proven to exist with evidence and sound reasoning, it is sensible not to think that such a being exists.
This guy is JUST expressing his own personal views, having said that, it DOES NOT mean he is right, at the END OF THE DAY, it's only his OPINION.!!!
Such a non-question. What came before the Big Bang? First that assumes that our concept of uni-directional (not to mention linear or non-reciprocating) time is a valid. This may not be true. Second assumption is that there is a "cause" for each "thing" we perceive. We arrogantly project our perspectives onto the universe as a whole. But that is not even the problem here. The problem is that we don't know what we cannot test. You cannot even formulate a testable hypothesis about pre-Big Bang events (assuming that the notion of "events" is relevant to a before Big Bang moment). For all we know time folds back on itself and there is no time before the Big Bang. We might as well go back to the "how many angels fit on the head of a pin?" question. The only thing demonstrated in this discussion is that cognitive bias blinds the clarity that comes from free and non-dogmatic thinking.
On the resurrection topic, how do atheist explain the conversion of skeptics Saul and James? And also the explosion of Christianity in the first century? That should have been done right after the crucifixion...unless he resurrected
Universe by definition is the set of all that exists. That of course includes God. Therefore if something is outside the universe it does not exist. There can be no other universes but there can possibly be other extant parallel dimensions contained within the set of all that exists. For something to exist does not mean it must be accessible or detectable. Heb:11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Heb 11:5 5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. When you look at the 11th chapter of Hebrews it appears that faith is the key that opens doors to alternate dimensions that those who lack it cannot enter unless of course grace & mercy takes up the slack of weak or poorly defined faith that stumbles in the dark. The ones who believed were world changers. They entered doors that no one ever knew existed and often preserved the world of their time. Faith enters doors and gains access to dimensions that others who lack it or its definition cannot enter. It can move through wormholes and stargates and take at least a few others through them with it. It basically can change the universe.
For all Muslims, searching the Muslim Faith or pretend to be.
If you open up the Qur’an to Sura 5 titled “The Gospel of Jesus: Guidance and Light,” you will read the following:*
[5:46] And in their footsteps We sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and conformation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah. [5:47] Let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah has revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel. [Emphasis mine.]
First, take note that the Qur’an actually says that Allah is responsible for sending Jesus and the “the Gospel,” referring to what we call the New Testament. Each was given to confirm “the Law,” referring to the Old Testament. In describing “the Gospel” we are told that it contains “guidance and light.” From just this verse, I think we are meant to conclude that God has multiple revelations and that these revelations can be used to confirm each other. For example, the New Testament confirms the Old Testament.
Second, in the very next sentence the Qur’an affirms that “The People of the Gospel,” referring specifically to Christians, should “judge by what Allah has revealed therein.” That is to say, Christians should judge by what’s in “the Gospel.” Here the author, Mohammed, is inviting Christians to judge his words by the New Testament. He believes that “the Gospel” and his words, the Qur’an, are in agreement. This makes perfect sense in light of the verse we just looked at. In essence, Mohammed is saying that just as the Gospel confirms the Law, which came before it, the Gospel will confirm the Qur’an, which is coming after it.
There is a problem here that Christians and Muslims both recognize: The New Testament conflicts with the Qur’an on a number of central doctrines. The Christian, who takes Mohammed at his word and judges the Qur’an by the New Testament, is forced to conclude that Mohammed got it wrong.
What does the Muslim say to this? The Muslim’s answer is quite simple. The Qur’an is God’s infallible, uncorrupted word; therefore, “the Gospel” must have been corrupted. Here’s the unstated presupposition: If the New Testament differs with the Qur’an, then it’s the New Testament that must have it wrong.
However, when the words of the Qur’an were being written down, Mohammed was communicating that the New Testament and the Old Testament are reliable. In his words, they are “sent” from Allah, they “confirm” each other and contain “guidance and light.” So up until that time in history, “the Gospel” and “the Law” that Mohammed was working from were not corrupted. If they were already corrupted, then his words don’t make any sense. He wouldn’t ask Christians to judge anything by a corrupted book. This leads us to conclude that the corruption must have taken place after the Qur’an was written (620-632 AD).
Here’s the problem, and it’s a big one. The manuscript evidence we have gathered from after the Qur’an was written completely agrees with the manuscript evidence we have from before the Qur’an was written. That is to say, the New Testament around at the time of Mohammed is identical to the text we have today. It’s the same text. Even Bart Ehrman, who estimates that there are around 400,000 variants of the New Testament text, affirms that we essentially know what the originals contained. Therefore, whatever was true about the New Testament at the time Mohammed wrote the Qur’an is still true of the New Testament today.
Therefore, if the Qur’an is true, then what Mohammed said about the New Testament is also true. Mohammed instructs Christians to judge the Qur’an by what is in the New Testament. Ironically, if you do this you find that the Qur’an hopelessly contradicts what “Allah has revealed” in the New Testament. For example, the New Testament teaches that Jesus died on a cross for the sins of the world and then rose from the dead three days later. Conversely, the Qur’an says that Jesus was never even crucified on a cross and, thus, had no need for a resurrection from the dead. The Christian is forced to conclude that the Qur’an is in error. Therefore, by the Qur’an’s own standard, if the Qur’an is true, then the Qur’an is false.
The universe I live in is the one described in the Bible, a flat motionless plane with a dome over it separating the water above from the water below.
@@leeman3517 Amen
@@jamezbond78 just so you know because I do care about truth, Lee is a troll, a fake muslim.
@@godislove363 he sounds like a troll or bot.
@@jamezbond78 yes, he is a troll not a bot. He has actually spoken 3 times only, yet also could not answer q's about the Quaran or the faith. I not believe the Quaran is true but that is not the same as a fraud that Lee is.
Sadly, I find I must speak against that which is spoken of above around the period of 22:00 concerning the Resurrection. Cliffe speaks about the pagan Roman Thursday, Friday, and Sunday, as to various times! Before the choice of Hillel II the High Priest of the Sanhedrin during the time of Emperor Constantius, the son of Constantine the Great in the 6th century, for Constantius approached Hillel II telling him he would either be crucified together with the Jews who were being crucified for NOT KEEPING the Pagan Roman Saturday, as their God was Saturn, and of course this is where the so-called Saturday Sabbath falsehood came from. In the days of Messiah, HE lived according to the Lunisolar Calendar, which had NO PLANETARY GOD'S NAMES, after the manner of Pagan Rome. I could elaborate more fully, but I have posted this information elsewhere, and am confident most apologists are aware of these truths, especially concerning the Lunisolar Calendar, and the months of Abib through until Adar, BEGINNING with New Moon Day, ALWAYS the first day of the New Month, with the first Sabbath occurring on the first half moon, the 8th day of the month, then the 15th day when the full moon arrived; thereafter the half moon on the left side of the moon, on Abib 22, and the last day of the month, the 29, on that day when the moon was occluded, and then 1 to 2 days later, New Moon again arrived, without planetary gods names! Sadly, the October 4th 1582 change of the Julian calendar to the Pope Gregory XIII Gregorian calendar, STILL TODAY uses the Julian planetary gods deception, for a Country which for many centuries has called itself a Christian nation, but keeps either Sunday after the Sun, purporting to be after the Resurrection, but believers who were Jews knew nothing of the Julian calendar in the days of Messiah, as the Jews kept the purely numerical Lunisolar calendar. America has been catechized by Papal Rome; however, many are coming away from the Sun's day, and Saturn's day, and the rest of the planetary god's days, not overly seen as such on some, for instance, Tuesday is Mar's day, Wednesday is Mercury's day, Thursday is Jupiter's day and Friday is Venus' day.
Scripture speaks of the blindness even of the avowed people of Yahuwah in the last days, from the words of great regret from Revelation: "14: And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of El; 15: I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16: So then because THOU ART LUKEWARM [in your study of the Scriptures and history, as ALL must know how to live as Peter tells us we are to, in 1Peter 2: 21 - 22, as Messiah is our EXAMPLE of how we are to walk in character, as filled with the mind of Messiah (1Corinthians 2: 14 - 16, KJV)!], and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17: Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and KNOWEST NOT that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked [Spiritually speaking!]: 18: I counsel thee to buy of me gold TRIED IN THE FIRE [Where is our gold, tried in fire?], that thou mayest be rich [In character perfection, by the indwelling mind of Messiah (See 1Corinthians 2: 16; 3: 16, 17 KJV)]; and WHITE RAIMENT, that thou mayest be clothed [again in His precious white character!], and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eye-salve, that thou mayest see. 19: As many as I love, I REBUKE AND CHASTEN: BE ZEALOUS THEREFORE, AND REPENT. 20: Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. 21: To him that overcometh [i.e. overcomes sinning, while telling fellow believers there's no need to walk in the EXAMPLE of your Messiah . . .who sinned not!] will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne" (Revelation 3: 14 - 21, KJV, emphasis, Name changes and inserts in brackets, mine). I speak not to condemn, but to tell all these are the words of the Saviour unto the last day believers, out of which are to come the 144,000 [See Rev. Chapter 7], who will bring light to the world, before the Second Coming of Messiah Yahushua, our Master and LORD!
Simply say you don't know your history and I have no other reason to say anything else you obviously don't look at simple history and pay attention to it.
Jacob Fongemie: Tell me something, dear brother: When you and I arrive on the Earth Made New, and know we are experiencing the beauty Adam and Eve would have eternally done so, why is it the Scriptures tell us this amazing story about those days ahead of our present time:
"22: For as the new heavens AND THE NEW EARTH, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith Yahuwah, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23: And it shall come to pass, that FROM ONE NEW MOON TO ANOTHER [the beginning of every new month, a holy day unto Yahuwah Elohim], AND FROM ONE SABBATH UNTO ANOTHER, shall all flesh [REDEEMED] come to worship before me, saith YAHUWAH" (Isaiah 66: 22, 23, emphasis, Name changes, and insert in brackets, mine)? On the Earth Made New, throughout Eternity, we will worship the Father even as this was done, by those who left Egypt, and followed after their Torah, which had been dictated by Yahuwah Eloah Almighty to Moses at the top of Sinai, over a period of 80 days, 40 X 2, as Moses came down to settle with the backsliding occurring under Aaron's direction, as he had not the spiritual strength when under pressure, as had his younger brother Moses. Jacob, I am simply speaking the truth, and wanting to help a lovely brother, to check into this truth. This truth IS TRUE HISTORY, as when the pagan Romans came into command of the then known world, Israel was taken over by Rome. It was a combination of self-assured Pharisees who were paying far more attention to the Talmud, a great grouping of Pharisaic teachings speaking on Torah, and so over the years from just before the Babylonian Captivity to the return to Jerusalem and the new Temple, these Pharisees were then receiving as divine instruction, that which were the Pharisees understanding of the Torah - Genesis to Deuteronomy - and this led the Jews of Messiah's day, to fail in receiving Him as Saviour, and too, receive their own feelings on that which was placed in the side of the Ark (See Deuteronomy 31: 26, KJV), as an integral teaching straight from the lips of the Great Yahuwah Almighty, and elders placed their particular "swing" of those words, which set them off to literally receive a brand new satanic belief, called Kabbalah, which led them to a 10 headed god/deity, which taught them about a Mother Goddess (spark or Sephiroth) a Daughter Goddess; a Father God and a Son God, together with six others, these representing the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. This is that ten headed god that in reality is the essence of Haylale the devil, many Jews worship today. It is not all pervasive, dear one, but I assure you, Haylale the devil, bullied the Pharisees with his own selfish love so much, that when the True Messiah arrived, He had to speak to them in this manner:
"42: Yahushua said unto them, If El were your Father, YE WOULD LOVE ME, for I proceeded forth and came from El; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43: Why do ye not understand my speech? even because YE CANNOT HEAR MY WORD. 44: Ye are OF YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because THERE IS NO TRUTH IN HIM. When he speak[s] a lie, he speak[s] of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45: And because I tell you the truth, YE BELIEVE ME NOT. 46: Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47: He that is of El hear[s] El's words: ye therefore hear them not, BECAUSE YE ARE NOT OF EL" (John 8: 42 - 47, KJV, emphasis, Name changes, and inserts in brackets, mine). It was obvious the Messiah could not be understood by the leaders of the Jews, as they literally were following due to their relishing as higher than the literal Word of Yahuwah Eloah Almighty - the Talmud - their own Elder's thoughts on those Words of Father Eloah. This has led them to Kabbalah, and many - very many of those highest in their Government in Israel - walk with Haylale, even as Yahushua told them 2000 years ago, yes, even today! SO TOO, when the only extant manuscripts of the Bible were in the hands of the Jews who followed after Haylale the devil, and the Pagan Romans who crucified Messiah for money paid unto them, changed nouns, verbal structures, and today, most all true believers, follow after a Papal Gregorian Calendar, and fail to honor the 4th Commandment, and do not keep the Feast Days Yahushua OUR EXAMPLE followed when He was among us! Peter tells us we are to follow the manner of the Example, Yahushua Messiah, and the Laodicean Message from Revelation 3: 14, is speaking to us, as we walk believing we know all things, but "art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:" (Revelation 3: 17, KJV). If Yahushua were to simply come as a Man to the Earth presently, He would be seeking to find people who follow the Lunisolar calendar, His own calendar in our Skies, and it is likely it would take Him a long time to find a goodly number who are not described by the words unto the Laodiceans from Revelation 3: 14 - 22, KJV. We shall surely see the truth of these words, although we may think then false at this present moment, even though the time is running out very quickly, as the Time of the End occurred in 1922, When Pope Pius XI was set up in the Vatican, which was the Lateran Treaty which healed the Beast's deadly wound, allowing Jesuit tyranny to become alive and well on this Earth once again, TODAY, with a Jesuit Pope Francis I! My prayer is that you who are so beloved of Heaven, will understand the Jesuit order which killed John Kennedy in 1963, and Abe Lincoln in 1865, almost 100 years before Kennedy, are working for Haylale the devil, to destroy the world, that the True Believers the 144, 000, who walk in the footprints of Messiah today, will be wiped out, and all things will be destroyed so quickly, none will understand, nor hold to their faith, when death is the result if you do hold, as during the Protestant Reformation!
@@TruthSeeker7411 I will say, due to my eyesight I missed part of your op. After seeing and very slowly reading your reply, I then reread your OP. I still say about 10% is wrong but I not only agree with the 90%, it includes God's Commandmentson our hearts and not the catholic version. I observe the Sabbath, not the feast days etc... if you want to dialogue, tell me and I will leave my email.
Jacob Fongemie: Thank you dear one, for taking the time to reread, as in truth my dear brother, all I do is to place a word of truth unto those who are SPIRITUALLY ABLE to hear it, and 90% is far more than most hear, but I see by your reply, you are indeed interested. Dear Yacob, I do agapao you, the whole reason for my persistence, but with your interest piqued afresh, I honestly now believe my work is done, and I will be praying for you! I will add, as I mentioned 1922 as the start of the Last Days, with the deadly wound of the Beast power becoming healed (See Revelation 13: 1 - 3, KJV), started in 1922, when Pope Pius XI through the Lateran Treaty, was given Vatican City as Roman Catholicism's new and smaller Throne base, that Pius XI was King of Vatican City State, as you will know, a Country! This will bring you for the sake of becoming more studious concerning what time we live in, to the 8 Kings of Revelation 17: 5 to 17: 18. In 1922, 1/ the first KING of the Vatican Nation State, a True Country, was Pope Pius XI as noted; 2/ the Second King was Pope Pius XII; 3/ the Third King was Pope John XXIII; 4/ the Fourth King was Pope Paul VI; 5/ the Fifth King was Pope John Paul 1, who as you may know, died after but 30 days, as His primary objective was to change the Papal Banking System, and He received the cup of Borgia for that move; 6/ the Sixth Pope was Pope John Paul II, who had a long pontificate, and visited many countries over more than 20 years on the Seat of the Vatican; 7/ the Seventh Pope was Benedict XVI, of whom the Scripture notes: "And there are seven kings: five are fallen [Have passed into death], and one is [This is the Papacy of John Paul II, the papacy which the Apostle John SAW from his seat on the Isle of Patmos, nearly 2000 years John Paul II's Pontificate], and the other[/next, as the Apostle of Patmos, John, had a glimpse very early in John Paul II Pontificate, which lasted to the best of my memory now, over 20 years] is not yet come; and when he cometh [This of course, is Pope Benedict XVI, and we MUST remember, we are counting down from the time 1922, thus Benedict would become the Second Last Pope on the Seat of the Vatican, BEFORE THE SECOND COMING OF THE MASTER YAHUSHUA], he must continue a short space" (Revelation 17: 10, KJV, words in brackets, mine); 8/ and the eighth and last Pope/King on the Seat of Vatican City before the Second Coming of Yahushua Messiah, presently abides on that Seat, Pope Francis 1, the last and also the ONLY Jesuit of Loyola's Tribe, who would also become one of the White Popes of the Vatican!
Please Yacob, hear that which I am telling you! Pope Francis I is I believe almost 85 years of age, AND he will be the last Pope to reign, before the Second Coming of the Master, Yahushua Messiah! No man knows the day nor the hour of the Second Coming of Yahushua, but the Father only; however, how long can Francis I last, if close to 85 years of age, and we know he has a number of physical problems, and all one needs to see, is his shape, and we know, he does not take care of himself, although he of course, has the best and brightest the world may offer in medical help! These 8 Kings, are the last 8 Popes of the deadly wound given the Roman Papacy, in 1798, by Napoleon Bonaparte, when he had Berthier take Pope Pius VI captive to France, in that year, because the Jesuits had become so absolutely fiendish in those days, Napoleon had enough, and tore the Papacy to shreds, and none could stop it! If the Papacy were truly Yahuwah Elohim's great Power upon the Earth, Napoleon could have no power that could take it down, and so we see who it is, the Roman Catholic Papacy and their Jesuit Order is working for on the Earth. I have given you enough now, dear brother, that you may know how close the Second coming of Yahushua MUST BE, and hopefully all who read these words, will get back if they need to, to the Study of the Sacred Scriptures, and walk hand in hand, and heart in heart, with the Saviour, Yahushua Messiah. We are closer to the Second Coming, than we could possibly understand! HalleluYah, and awmayne!
Yacob Fongemie: I thought I should allow you to see clearly one more thing, dear brother: 1/ "21: For even hereunto were ye called: because Messiah also suffered for us, leaving us AN EXAMPLE, THAT YE SHOULD FOLLOW HIS STEPS: 22: WHO DID NO SIN, NEITHER WAS GUILE FOUND IN HIS MOUTH:" (1Peter 2: 21, 22, KJV, emphasis mine, Yacob). Of course, this is regarding your believing there is no longer any need for us who walk in the footsteps of Messiah, to walk in the Yearly Feasts! I will make one thing very clear, which understanding your sensitive spiritual understanding, may well be enough to have you rethink and change even this choice you have made, and so please dear one, watch these thoughts from Paul: "28: There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Messiah Yahushua" (Galatians 3: 28, KJV, Name change, mine). Paul tells us nothing but that helps us place the words of Peter, with whom Paul agreed in all things, together with the words of Peter, coming to truth in mixing their words together, knowing they both agree in all things as to the teachings of Messiah. The Holy Spirit, which is the MIND OF MESSIAH (See 1Corinthians 2: 14 - 16, KJV), teaches us, although some will cease keeping the Yearly Feasts because they have been fooled into believing there is a difference in Jewish Messianic ways, and so-called Christian ways - people who came not out of the loins of Abraham/Yacob - are herein met by words from Paul which cause us to rethink this thought! Obviously coming from the line of Abraham, Peter tells us, WE MUST FOLLOW AFTER MESSIAH as our True Example concerning all things that we must adhere unto spiritually when walking in and by the faith! And at the same time, although not exactly as to time, but closely related as to time, Paul explains unto the non-Jews who were once called "pagans," Paul tells us respectfully: "28: There is neither Jew nor Greek [The differences between Gentiles/Greeks and Abraham's children have been negated, such that the WAY of the Master Yahushua as EXAMPLE, must now become the Way unto all, both Jew and Gentile, for they all have become one in Him], there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Messiah Yahushua" (Galatians 3: 28, KJV, Insert in brackets & Name change, mine)." To even be clearer, I say these words with the fingers:
If a Messianic Jew were to seek out in a small Town, a gathering of Jews, and not be able to find it, s/he when things are all as they should have been according to the writings of the prophets of Tanakh as well as the New Testament, s/he should be able to find even in a small Town, a gathering of Gentiles, which is living up to whatever the reasoning for the coming together of the Jews, as in ALL THINGS, according the The Scriptures, Gentiles and Jews are the same! I make this statement, and believe this to truly be the case, Yacob: Yahushua Messiah in MY opinion, will return to this old Earth at His Second Coming, some year in the future, ON THE FIRST DAY OF TABERNACLES! The Feast of Tabernacles in its deeper spiritual manner, which was not seen by the Jews in the days of Messiah Yahushua, as to the Feast of Tabernacles at that time, although the Bible does not tell us this in the New Testament, is a Feast to commemorate the Fact that when Messiah was born of His mother, Miriam, all points betoken that Yahushua's birth was the First Day of Tabernacles! The huts which were built during Tabernacles and lived in during the Feast, spoke unto the FACT Him Who created the human race and all of those physical aspects which made this earth to be a self-sustaining world, which could forever remain able to hold life of all species created thereupon, CAME UNTO THAT WHICH HE CREATED, and was born of His mother Miriam, for the amazingly captivating reason, that this True Son of the Father Yahuwah Eloah Almighty, might as Creator allow His life to be destroyed by the miscreants of this earth, that as Creator, and a Sinless Sacrificial Offering unto His Own Father, would because speaking unto Father of a love that we who have come from our historical beginnings in sinful nature, have within the not born-again mind, NOTHING whereby we can see such an Offering, might speak spectacularly to Father Yahuwah of His Greatest Joy in receiving this Offering, which granted the Father the ability to forgive all of the sins of everyone who would accept Yahushua as his/her Saviour, and allow the provisions of the Way Everlasting (See Psalms 139: 24, KJV), to recreate from sinful mankind, new sentient creatures, after the example of Yahuwah's own Son, Yahushua, sinless and agapé loving humans, desiring to abide together with Father, Son and a multitude of sinless angels, who retained their first estate, and would not think to follow after the footsteps of the Angel once called Lucifer, but now called Haylale, due to his love of self, and such stiff-necked determination, he will not be happy until he brings down the whole of the latter day population of the Earth, unto eternal destruction! As we think on these things, help us together, Yacob, to ensure we are pleasing the Father and His Son our Saviour, every moment of these days into which we sadly walk, as they are becoming more complex, and we feel for those who have no desire to see the truth, nor live in it now and eternally! Be blessed brother, and remember, I am praying for you and yours, awmayne!
This was a great chess match in intellectual humility.
/Bklyn👑
Theew was something otherwise there isnt a creator or creators, we don't know what it took to make the Universe but lets say man was responsible for the creation of the Universe, hence through evolution of man he became capable of creating a Universe, this may be the case for humans in the future and they will refer to us as gods, creation is a beautiful thing especially when speaking of Earth and its inhabitants.
If there is some kind of creator, but who create the creator or the designer?
Since the universe had a beginning, time space and matter had a beginning. The cause of time, space and matter cannot be made of time, space and matter. The figure that transcends time, space and matter is God.
I have tried to tell others that for years.
@Baby Kush what proof do you have for the beginning, objective morals and purposr?
@Baby Kush still waiting.
@Baby Kush if thats your struggle hell god dont burn people for eternity he destroy them christ refers to hell as a destruction of sin not a torture of people it will be immense pain not forever simple hyperbole to enfacise the power of god and the pain they will feel. I mean death is associated with sin why talk about death if they live weather in hell or heaven ,it's not like that is them perishing in hell, its not existing my guy and I hope you put your faith in christ.
@Baby Kush god on judgment day. Everyone who has received a reward of death or life will accept it and now the knee no one will be judged unrighteously therefore if that is the issue there solved god bless and put your faith in christ
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When its all said and done.god is the judge.
@Baby Kush it says in the bible mathew chapter 6 verse 2.
@Baby Kush god and his wonder son jesus the bible is all the prof I need.not you or anybody else.the bible lives forever.
@Baby Kush the bible says beware of wolves in sheep's clothing.
@Baby Kush I trust in god and his word.the bible
@@meritscott3936 amen, and has no proof of his views.
Speaking of what is reasonable or probable are valid things to consider when forming an opinion and concluding complex design speaks to a creator or creators. I think those final conclusions seem like a final end point to this investigation to life origin. The jump that becomes more difficult for me is the jump to a single creator and the conclusion that this creator is the God of the Bible. At this point the arguments become far more difficult to draw any conclusions from.
Hi, I was just thinking about your comment how you struggle to see how everything came about through one God..
How about three God's one person?
@@thywillbedone3334 thanks for the reply. I don’t struggle to see how everything came through a God or gods but my only final and fair conclusion from the whole complex design requiring a creator or creators simply rests at this conclusion. That is a fair end point no? I think it is a perfectly fair point made by creationists that such extreme complexity beckons a conclusion of intelligent creation but jumping to the God of the Bible or Koran is a a few more jumps.
@@brandtl1486 hi..
Apologies.. I misread your statement, I thought you were looking to reason on the points you had noted, to further your search.
But it is as you have written, I've come to a point and I'm happy to stop. 😂
Have great day..
Oh yeah....... And God bless you 😂.
Anyone have an idea of when this was filmed? I read in the comments on another video that these are being re-released from a few years ago. GREAT work, Cliff!
@@leeman3517 I'd better read the book used by the People of the Book. It's much better than the often discredited Koran and its many versions. I have heard that a sheep liked to eat the Koran, though. th-cam.com/video/LajSmnUmz9A/w-d-xo.html
@@leeman3517 Allah of the Koran=death.
@@leeman3517 العلم في القرآن مخطئ ولا توجد حكمة.
aleilm fi alquran mukhti wala tujad hikmatun.
@@billyholly He is a troll Billy, won't really talk to you
@@godislove363 You're right. On another thread, he tried to write in English but it was not understandable so I thought I'd try Arabic. I think he's from Indonesia so they speak something else and may not speak Arabic at all, either. We should try...sometimes, anyway. Thanks, Jacob and have a good one.
It's not written as a parable, but fact.
Isn’t Buddhism more a philosophy than a religion because one my youth pastors said they had a friend who was a Buddhist Christian?
Buddhism doesn't speak of Jesus Christ , for starters ...
You mean gnosticism.
If y'all haven't seen a documentary called... It's worse then you think... By revelations of Jesus Christ ministry... I suggest you do... All praise and glory to the most high Jesus Christ
I love how he had to cut it at the end to make it look like he ended this dude but in reality...
The guy was saying we can’t go by written accounts 1000 of years after the fact. And the preacher dude said even videos can be doctored, well doesn’t that just further back up the kids point. If we can’t even believe video evidence why should we believe eyewitness accounts?
absolutely Laura, An old book that contains lots of stories about magic, vs modern science. I know which one I'm going for.
@Prometheus Guy Hang on?, you're saying the Bible doesn't contain magical tales? I would strongly disagree with that. You're absolutely right that science doesn't explain everything, but it explains a heck of a lot about our planet and the life found on it.
The gospel 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and read Romans 5:9 and 10:9-10 The power of God, 1 Corinthians 1:18-23 and Romans 1:16;17 "Where will you spend eternity?"