I can see your point. Good, honest video. I've been watching a lot of comparisons lately and things have really gone up in price. not just the bow but all the accessories for it. Sticker shock. I'm still shooting a Mathews Z-Lite. I know, what a cheapskate! It's killed everything I've shot at and it's hard to let that go. There have been so many advances that I would like one more before I can't go anymore. Thanks again.
I'm sticking with my triax I love it. But some people want new, new, new, new-its still about stealth and comfort and economics for me. Keep up the pod you do it great
Thanks for making this video. My thoughts exactly. I feel the bow industry is probably just about maxed out on true ground breaking, "game changing", innovations. Mathews wasn't the only bow manufacturer that appears to be struggling coming up with BIG changes.
Brother so well said man!! Every company in these industries are starting to build themselves protective layers which is essential for them. So much sense in this video hats off to you!!
@@georgegeorge3619 yes and no! I would say alot of factors have come into play! Apple has done this with alot of success as their track record speaks volumes. I think we are at the point where “systems” are key and thats what bow manufacturers are doing they are selling you a system being refined over the course of a few years because nothing is perfect out the box. Im in the hunting industry and build my business around products sold as systems and refine a few products over time to deliver a better experience for the customer. Now where it goes south is if you lose innovation or drive and make mediocre moves to advance the products or customer experience!
Well put! I personally am super exited about the phase 4! But I am a first year bow hunter and decided after struggling to get my bow shooting the day before season starts that I want a second bow, so I’ll be going from a Reesen 7.0 solo cam to the phase 4! I’ll be changing worlds completely so it’s all exciting to me.
Well said. I've never owned a Mathews, but I think this Phase 4 is for me. Mathews has developed a complete system, which is really appealing to me, instead of having to buy accessories from different manufacturers to set up your bow.
I shot the phase 4 the day it was released at my local pro shop.. Very quiet and dead in the hand but I'm sticking with my v3x 33 tack driver for many more years or until something revolutionary is developed.. I installed bowjax and now have a phase 3.9
I agree with your concerns regarding the rubber between the limbs breaking down over time. However having it replaced now and then is well worth the dampening effect. It’s a precision instrument, like an Aston Martin. You want to drive the car, it comes with tuning and maintenance.
I don't upgrade my bow yearly, so I'm obviously not the target hunter. However, in almost all other things you buy year over year changes are minimal. You see this with cars/trucks, phones, computers, appliances, building materials, etc. It's small tweaks to a model cycle with a "jump" every 3-5. As technology increases those jumps become less and your starting point is already high. Your comment on market penetration/protection in my opinion is spot on. Aftermarket add ons for bows is a HUGE piece of the market. Only makes sense an OEM would want in on the game instead of sitting on the sidelines.
Compared it to the v3x. No noticable shot difference. I remember going to buy the v3 and left with the vxr and was leaning very hard towards the vertix. To each his own but I'm not sold on it. I'll buy a used traverse or vertix or even a no cam htr first.
Very good video, All these bows are good. I feel some companies market certain things, Mathews it is quietness, Elite it is accuracy or shootability. I have a 10 year old bow that takes deer, I did not know hand shock was a thing untill I watched vids on it, I thought my bow did fine. Looking at some of the general bow reviews it seems like that all the millions of deer in deer heaven taken by non (insert name) bow through the years are rallying that they were cheated and never should have been taken by a bow other than (Insert name).
Exactly, people think they should completely change everything from year to year. Small changes is all we will see from most companies. Also the limb split with dampeners is a pretty big change. Definitely made it quieter and no vibration
I feel the same as you state in your video. I have a v3x33 and like it so much that pretty much any bow wasn’t gonna get me to buy a new one. I have a buddy that is looking to get back into bow hunting with a new bow. The phase 4 is one I will recommend him shoot for sure.
I loved my DXT! Best bow I’ve ever had after switching from a PSE Baby G. I had that bow whisper quiet by sound standards at the time. Sold it a few years ago after getting a shoulder injury and rotator cuff surgery. Not archery related. I’m ready to get another bow now and nothing appeals to me like Mathew’s. I’ve looked into the others and I guess you could call me a fan boy. I’ll definitely be buying the Phase 4 this spring and will probably keep it for many years to come. I’m just not one to buy the newest model every year.
This is a much needed video. To expect massive yearly changes from any manufacturer is not reasonable to expect as a consumer base. The slight improvements mean that when any punter is ready for a new bow over two release periods (12 months apart) they'll be able to find something with their preferred axle to axle and specs. I'm from a hearing aid background and the archery market by comparison is spoiled with options and still people complain. I can understand the complaints on pricing for the stabiliser but just put your old bee stinger on....they haven't taken that option away. Great vid as usual.
Dig your video brother I've got AZ7 extreme also AZ7 extreme tactical and a perfectly happy with both of them even though they are a little bit older but I get exactly where you coming from hope you had a good Christmas and catch you later.
Very good analysis! My 14 year old Mathews is still under warranty. Although, I may upgrade next year. It's time. But, I'll probably go with a target bow.
@@PrivilegedBowhunter Mathews cams are not the fastest even with draw specific mods. Bowtech flip disc technology offers comfort/performance two bows in one and draw length experimentation. Elite Omnia now offering 1/4" DL adjustment and 1% let off adjustment. Mathews bows are notorious for being 1/2" longer in actual draw length for better IBO ratings. I have a 28.5" draw length, so would I order a Mathews with a 28" mod?
Very well said! I am still shooting my Halon so I am in the market for a new bow. Ill be looking at the Phase 4 and If I can find a new one on sale I would consider a V3X 33. Thanks!
Phenomenal review. I have creed, halon and vxr. All incredible. The phase 4 looks cool and all but the exclusive 300$ is a turn off in my opinion. Thank you.
Mahalo for the review. I was thinking of purchasing this bow to replace my Elite Ritual. Now I’m considering buying a VXR or Omnia. Hope to see you at Waipio.
Could not agree more, I buy a new bow approximately every 5 years. After getting the V3X 33 last year I see owning this for many years to come. Intergrade parts don't move the needle for me.
Can’t imagine they didn’t test fire those new limbs literally tens of thousands of times. I’m betting the material between the limbs is a high $ vinyl? ,not rubber. I have no idea if it’s wedge locked to the limbs or has some high tech adhesive holding it in place. IMO, redesigning the riser to fit new sight bars and stabilizer systems is a gimmick of sorts to get people to buy more expensive parts- maybe not? Maybe all this is just part of the evolution of bows? Heck, I remember when I got my first split limb bow versus the single limb. Wondered about that lasting then. 👍👍
Great video and perspective. What I’ve always liked about Mathew’s is their innovation in attempting to take noise and vibration away. You’ll never have an arrow that travels at the speed of sound or faster so why attempt to make a super loud bow that slings arrows at 500 fps. A little exaggeration but you get my point. I got off the speed bandwagon over 10 years ago and started concentrating on having a bow that is the quietest on the market and Mathew’s continues to amaze me each year with their ability to produce arguably the quietest bows on the market. I have my small concerns about the 8 total limbs but it’s not so much a concern on durability but timing. I trust their engineers and QC team have put a ton of time and research into the product before releasing it to the public though. Thanks again for the insight. You just gained a new subscriber!!
I love the stabilizer idea, having holes in the bar to help eliminate wind drift, but at the price they want no way. Someone needs to make one with a standard mounting option now.
i mean they still put a thread for anyone who wants to use a standard stabilizer. I did with my phase 4 because im not about to spend 280 dollars on a fancy weight.. between that and the other 700 bucks you have to put into it to have a complete system I just cant justify it. I am literally shooting my stabilizer from my bear legit and its working just fine.
The V3x 33 is an awesome bow the new phase 4 is just the same bow but with issue down the track with rubber deteriorating between the limbs over time I believe most bow companies are just tweaking small issues but trying to justify the price for the same technology let's face it same cams same rizer same ATA no real change over the years since the halon series Bows which are the Best they have Built IMO Rubbers cheap
Not the same riser, grip has milled damping under the grip no one would ever see or know of unless they tinker . Limb delaminating? Are you referring to the paint? Never hear of a limb delaminating on a compound.. trad on the other hand..
The phase 4 limb system is a quantum leap in sound and vibration suppression and the new stabilizer system adds a second choice in stabilization options.
Had I not had an opportunity to shoot it in person I probably could have held onto my wallet and cash that day. Matthews bows are hard to beat from even 15 years back. How they up the ante every season is just amazing. By the way, I was comparing it to a V3X 29 that I already owned and still like very much. It was a very very close 2nd and I'll still hunt with it as a backup. I've got a seriously dedicated bowhunting partner that toured the Matthews facility and he said there's no way I'd shoot the Phase 4 as many times as it was tested. They just can't afford to send things out half-baked.
The way I heard it said is these companies are getting so good at producing these products but they are required to give customers something new, to improve on what’s already great, and to be innovative year after year….that’s gotta be tough shoes to fill
Just a tip....but I also have had alot of issues with the monkey tails, the fix I have found was the Pine Ridge split dampeners, they do the same thing and never break on me
bows now a days are simply as good as they will be. It’s like re inventing the wheel at some point. It’s not a bad thing, but each year it’s just little tweaks (from all company’s). It’s not the 2010 era where we went from a z7 to a halon and triax in a couple years. Now it’s simply which accessories appeal to you, yk.
Buy a Hoyt carbon if you want a lighter bow without a lot of noise and handshock. I dont shoot mathews any more. I switched to a hoyt because i wanted a bow that was versatile and light but could accommodate a high poundage setup. I shoot a minimum of 70 pounds. Bare minimum. My bow is adjustable from 65 to 80 pounds. No modules needed and it shoots a 350 spine @ 340 feet a second with a 30 inch draw length lol. No expensive modules and no need to worry about your hands getting hold. My carbon hoyt absorbs my body temp instantly. My hand isnt cold from a crappy out of date aluminum riser anymore.
Thanks for the honest review I’m still shooting a TRIAX lol I’ve tried all the new Mathew bow’s except the Phase 4 Are they better yes Just not enough for me to part with cash I do want to get a V3X more of just wanting a 2 nd bow than I think it’s head and shoulders above the TRIAX lol Thanks again
I came into the bow hunting scheme of things just a couple years ago, I don't have much knowledge on the old school compared to the new. I do however see little to no difference in the bows since 2019. They all love the same if not very similar. There's not much ground breaking developments or upgrades that I can find let alone feel when I shoot any newer bows. You can grab a bow from the 90s and still perform similar, if nor equal to the newer bows. I'm also irritated that In the old times, we have , had, have long bows and recurve bows that can put out more poundage than the modern compound bows. Once the mathews vxr, hoyt tx7, pse evo, etc etc came out.....there's really not much difference. Sept the price. Minimal upgrades that don't do much is not worth the extra hundred bucks, let alone making the bow over a grand.
Personally think they had these changes in mind last year but maybe wasn't refined? Why else was there a painted black line on the limbs of last year's model. They needed something for this year so didn't come out with it last year is what it feels like.
I'm going from a Q2XL from about 2004 to the Phase 4. I don't think I'll have any issues being impressed with the new one. I'm not impressed with the price tag! What has happened in the last 20 years! I also need to give a thumbs up to Zebra strings. My son and I shot a Vegas 450 at the local range a few weeks ago, and I still have the original strings and cables on my Q2XL. I ended up with a 384 with 6 X's. That included 2 zeros on the first end. I can't wait to get the new one set up and running!!
@@PrivilegedBowhunter currently have the VXR. Want a 33-34 ata. Don’t love the phase 4 those limbs seem like more moving parts than I’d like. I don’t really have the rx7 cash but I don’t want to spend the money on the phase four as I’m not loving it.
This is exactly what I did. Went to Hoyt. Is a great bow. Honestly had enough with Mathews always looking to exploit a loyal fan base and extra 750 to get the best performance out of a 1400 dollar bow. Is almost laughable. Never mind the poor performance of the factory strings and most people get a new grip or side plates. That bow is now 1650 plus. I have my travese and v3 and shoot them well. But def for now decided to go a different route. Hope Mathew’s comes back to earth.
@@mattarpano4541 appreciate the feedback. I’m planning on keeping the VXR. Just want a longer ATA bow. I’m a 29.5 draw length and they just fit me better. I’m nervous about the cost of the RX7 Ultra. But your right, the new back bar and front stabilizer put you at $1900 for the bow!
Come on guys, this has been coming for awhile. It's a riser, cams, strings etc, there is only so much tech that can be put into that system. Of course it's going to slow down but over 30 years of archery for me there has been great improvement of compound bows. So enjoy the more efficient changes but less changes in te h. My deliama has always been. Hoyt or Matthew's, both very good bows, and I'm about at a 50/50 buying buying one or the other year from year. This year probly hoyt because of there cams.
Everything that people have been saying is true about how quiet it is and shock free. I shot the 33 with no stabilizers, and I couldn't hear anything other than the arrow hitting the target. The technology is nuts, but who's to say stuff can't wear out down the road, and it sound like a trx.
Questions is why is it necessary to buy a new bow every year? It is waste of money bc there ARE no innovations it is just marketing traps for dumb n blind fan boys.
You have to reinvent one of the oldest weapons on earth year after year after year... If they have 3 new innovations you KNOW they put 2 on the bow and hold one back for the next year. No speed increases in last decade. I mean they are pretty much up against the wall on how much more they can do. I have V3X 33 and LOVE it, but bow this year did nothing for me.
I agree with you to an extent. However I feel Mathews is leaving the blue collar guy behind. I just don't see how they can justify the pricing for the accessories that you have to have to get the full benefit from this Bow
I want a pause 4. I’m using a hori-zone 65 and I can nail an apple at 21.4 metres.. I’m not into hunting koalas or Roos but I want to rid this country of foxes and rabbits. Please someone send me one and I will show the TH-cam vid of all
Let's be real here, Mathews has had some real duds in the past. They have also had some great bows. I switched from a Hoyt to the V3x 33 last year. I just put money down on the 29 because it's such a nice bow and I want a smaller treestand bow. Mathews hit a home run with the V3x. The phase 4 is just over the top. There is no need for 8 limbs! Guys are on the internet talking about the noise difference, there isn't one! The stabilizer system is through the roof expensive. The general components from Mathews are super expensive. Not that archery isn't expensive. It's just at what point is it over the top? As for monkey tails get rid of them , go old school with rubber whiskers you won't regret it.
@@joncleereman1633 hey you go buy the hype, I'm not! I've watched multiple sound tests and the difference is minimal! Worth the hype? Next the whole stabilizer is so over priced it's outrageous! Hey you want it go buy it. To me this doesn't out so the v3x. I'd rather have solid limbs. As for the sound of a deer is going to jump the string they are going to jump the string. You can say what you want but the hype isn't worth the coin. Why are we trying to change stabilizer systems? To me they just came up with B's to hype the bow.
I have the v3x 29 and love it if I had the money id get the phase 4 and the new stabs but just not enough to make me wanna upgrade. I dont get all the hate ether the bow is super quite and dead. I dont even use the monkey tails anymore....God Bless brother...
@@casanovafrankenstein8875 it's aged perfectly fine. If you're talking about the first omnias out that had cable rubbing issues, they fixed that immediately. People made a mountain out of a molehill. Hell you can adjust the first ones out extremely easy, elite has a tuning guide that shows you. I've got over 2000 arrows through mine and have had 0 issues
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Your knife analogy is perfect!!11111
I can see your point. Good, honest video. I've been watching a lot of comparisons lately and things have really gone up in price. not just the bow but all the accessories for it. Sticker shock. I'm still shooting a Mathews Z-Lite. I know, what a cheapskate! It's killed everything I've shot at and it's hard to let that go. There have been so many advances that I would like one more before I can't go anymore. Thanks again.
I'm sticking with my triax I love it. But some people want new, new, new, new-its still about stealth and comfort and economics for me. Keep up the pod you do it great
Thanks for making this video. My thoughts exactly. I feel the bow industry is probably just about maxed out on true ground breaking, "game changing", innovations. Mathews wasn't the only bow manufacturer that appears to be struggling coming up with BIG changes.
6 years ago they were maxed out. I haven't bought a bow since the elite energy 35. Still same speeds and still as smooth
Very well said.
Just bought a new Vx3 the best Mathews bow to date
Brother so well said man!! Every company in these industries are starting to build themselves protective layers which is essential for them. So much sense in this video hats off to you!!
Thanks Matt
the protective layer is unhealthy to the industry
@@georgegeorge3619 yes and no! I would say alot of factors have come into play! Apple has done this with alot of success as their track record speaks volumes. I think we are at the point where “systems” are key and thats what bow manufacturers are doing they are selling you a system being refined over the course of a few years because nothing is perfect out the box. Im in the hunting industry and build my business around products sold as systems and refine a few products over time to deliver a better experience for the customer. Now where it goes south is if you lose innovation or drive and make mediocre moves to advance the products or customer experience!
Well put! I personally am super exited about the phase 4! But I am a first year bow hunter and decided after struggling to get my bow shooting the day before season starts that I want a second bow, so I’ll be going from a Reesen 7.0 solo cam to the phase 4! I’ll be changing worlds completely so it’s all exciting to me.
Pick up a V3 or V3x and save a lot of $$$
Well said. I've never owned a Mathews, but I think this Phase 4 is for me. Mathews has developed a complete system, which is really appealing to me, instead of having to buy accessories from different manufacturers to set up your bow.
My main concern would be those tiny limbs, and the rubber between them. It just seems like a disaster waiting to happen.
I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt.
the building isolators that absorb vibration from earthquakes are rated for 60 years, im sure 2 little strips will hold up fine
Agreed. When they fail or start to weather it's going to hurt one way or the other.
I shot the phase 4 the day it was released at my local pro shop.. Very quiet and dead in the hand but I'm sticking with my v3x 33 tack driver for many more years or until something revolutionary is developed.. I installed bowjax and now have a phase 3.9
I agree with your concerns regarding the rubber between the limbs breaking down over time. However having it replaced now and then is well worth the dampening effect. It’s a precision instrument, like an Aston Martin. You want to drive the car, it comes with tuning and maintenance.
I quit replacing my monkey tails , they just don't last
I don't upgrade my bow yearly, so I'm obviously not the target hunter. However, in almost all other things you buy year over year changes are minimal. You see this with cars/trucks, phones, computers, appliances, building materials, etc. It's small tweaks to a model cycle with a "jump" every 3-5. As technology increases those jumps become less and your starting point is already high.
Your comment on market penetration/protection in my opinion is spot on. Aftermarket add ons for bows is a HUGE piece of the market. Only makes sense an OEM would want in on the game instead of sitting on the sidelines.
I order this bow on the 7th of this month ...this is my 1st Bow as an adult I had a mathews as a teen
Thanks for the review. I'm heading to my pro shop tomorrow to test one!
Elite new carbon bow will be out December 6
Is the same bow!!! No doubt about that!!! Coming from a Mathews shooter…
I'm seeing a little too much logic and rational thinking for the internet here. Tone it back man.
Happens at work too😂
Great blade sharpening analogy, really works well.
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Compared it to the v3x. No noticable shot difference. I remember going to buy the v3 and left with the vxr and was leaning very hard towards the vertix. To each his own but I'm not sold on it. I'll buy a used traverse or vertix or even a no cam htr first.
@text3917 what number 🤷🏾♂️
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Very good video, All these bows are good. I feel some companies market certain things, Mathews it is quietness, Elite it is accuracy or shootability. I have a 10 year old bow that takes deer, I did not know hand shock was a thing untill I watched vids on it, I thought my bow did fine. Looking at some of the general bow reviews it seems like that all the millions of deer in deer heaven taken by non (insert name) bow through the years are rallying that they were cheated and never should have been taken by a bow other than (Insert name).
“Hand shock” is a marketing scheme and wasn’t a thing until they told you it was a thing lol.
Exactly, people think they should completely change everything from year to year. Small changes is all we will see from most companies. Also the limb split with dampeners is a pretty big change. Definitely made it quieter and no vibration
I feel the same as you state in your video. I have a v3x33 and like it so much that pretty much any bow wasn’t gonna get me to buy a new one. I have a buddy that is looking to get back into bow hunting with a new bow. The phase 4 is one I will recommend him shoot for sure.
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This is the first Mathews bow that has me intrigued since my dxt.
It’s nice
I loved my DXT! Best bow I’ve ever had after switching from a PSE Baby G. I had that bow whisper quiet by sound standards at the time. Sold it a few years ago after getting a shoulder injury and rotator cuff surgery. Not archery related. I’m ready to get another bow now and nothing appeals to me like Mathew’s. I’ve looked into the others and I guess you could call me a fan boy. I’ll definitely be buying the Phase 4 this spring and will probably keep it for many years to come. I’m just not one to buy the newest model every year.
This is a much needed video. To expect massive yearly changes from any manufacturer is not reasonable to expect as a consumer base. The slight improvements mean that when any punter is ready for a new bow over two release periods (12 months apart) they'll be able to find something with their preferred axle to axle and specs. I'm from a hearing aid background and the archery market by comparison is spoiled with options and still people complain. I can understand the complaints on pricing for the stabiliser but just put your old bee stinger on....they haven't taken that option away. Great vid as usual.
Exactly 🎯
i own a phase 4 29 and its a sweet product
Dig your video brother I've got AZ7 extreme also AZ7 extreme tactical and a perfectly happy with both of them even though they are a little bit older but I get exactly where you coming from hope you had a good Christmas and catch you later.
Very good analysis! My 14 year old Mathews is still under warranty. Although, I may upgrade next year. It's time. But, I'll probably go with a target bow.
Finally someone with sensible logic. Great video!
I'm just happy that I might be able to afford a V3X now haha
I’m not selling mine 😂😂😂
Great job on the video !
I am still happy with my V3 31 and my TRX 34.
I've decided to wait until Mathews adds rotating module draw length adjustment. Until then, Mathews can do all of the incremental tweaks they want.
I doubt they’ll ever do that on their flagships, most agree that will make the cams less efficient.
@@PrivilegedBowhunter Mathews cams are not the fastest even with draw specific mods. Bowtech flip disc technology offers comfort/performance two bows in one and draw length experimentation. Elite Omnia now offering 1/4" DL adjustment and 1% let off adjustment. Mathews bows are notorious for being 1/2" longer in actual draw length for better IBO ratings. I have a 28.5" draw length, so would I order a Mathews with a 28" mod?
Very well said! I am still shooting my Halon so I am in the market for a new bow. Ill be looking at the Phase 4 and If I can find a new one on sale I would consider a V3X 33. Thanks!
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Phenomenal review. I have creed, halon and vxr. All incredible. The phase 4 looks cool and all but the exclusive 300$ is a turn off in my opinion. Thank you.
Stabilizer is what I meant to write
Mahalo for the review. I was thinking of purchasing this bow to replace my Elite Ritual. Now I’m considering buying a VXR or Omnia. Hope to see you at Waipio.
I’m actually thinking about selling my vxr, let me know if you want to go that route
Honestly opinion I just recently got the phase 4 and I do not like it one bit!! I always have shot elite big mistake on my part going to Matthew’s
@alanlo5033 how long have you had it?
@@PrivilegedBowhunter less then 4 days shooting it is not as smooth as the elite
Some times that’s due to the muscle memory you built with your previous bow. Give it a month for your body to acclimate 🤙🏾
I said keep your old bowl because it’s basically the same one they have been offering for the last five years with a few minor tweaks here and there
Hoyts are night and day bettee
Could not agree more, I buy a new bow approximately every 5 years. After getting the V3X 33 last year I see owning this for many years to come. Intergrade parts don't move the needle for me.
the warranty was good for me and i plan to shoot my phase 4 until something that is an absolute game changer comes along in 5-10 years or so
Can’t imagine they didn’t test fire those new limbs literally tens of thousands of times. I’m betting the material between the limbs is a high $ vinyl? ,not rubber. I have no idea if it’s wedge locked to the limbs or has some high tech adhesive holding it in place. IMO, redesigning the riser to fit new sight bars and stabilizer systems is a gimmick of sorts to get people to buy more expensive parts- maybe not? Maybe all this is just part of the evolution of bows? Heck, I remember when I got my first split limb bow versus the single limb. Wondered about that lasting then. 👍👍
I agree, just food for thought
Great video and perspective. What I’ve always liked about Mathew’s is their innovation in attempting to take noise and vibration away. You’ll never have an arrow that travels at the speed of sound or faster so why attempt to make a super loud bow that slings arrows at 500 fps. A little exaggeration but you get my point. I got off the speed bandwagon over 10 years ago and started concentrating on having a bow that is the quietest on the market and Mathew’s continues to amaze me each year with their ability to produce arguably the quietest bows on the market. I have my small concerns about the 8 total limbs but it’s not so much a concern on durability but timing. I trust their engineers and QC team have put a ton of time and research into the product before releasing it to the public though. Thanks again for the insight. You just gained a new subscriber!!
There is no logical reason to buy the Phase 4 if you have bought a Mathews in the last 6 years. Some just like to have the newest shizz.
I love the stabilizer idea, having holes in the bar to help eliminate wind drift, but at the price they want no way. Someone needs to make one with a standard mounting option now.
That would be legit
i mean they still put a thread for anyone who wants to use a standard stabilizer. I did with my phase 4 because im not about to spend 280 dollars on a fancy weight.. between that and the other 700 bucks you have to put into it to have a complete system I just cant justify it. I am literally shooting my stabilizer from my bear legit and its working just fine.
The V3x 33 is an awesome bow the new phase 4 is just the same bow but with issue down the track with rubber deteriorating between the limbs over time I believe most bow companies are just tweaking small issues but trying to justify the price for the same technology let's face it same cams same rizer same ATA no real change over the years since the halon series Bows which are the Best they have Built IMO Rubbers cheap
Yeah you nailed it. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Not the same riser, grip has milled damping under the grip no one would ever see or know of unless they tinker .
Limb delaminating? Are you referring to the paint? Never hear of a limb delaminating on a compound.. trad on the other hand..
I'm still shooting 2013 Matthew's monster 6 it lost all it's color in the grip area but shoots so good
The phase 4 limb system is a quantum leap in sound and vibration suppression and the new stabilizer system adds a second choice in stabilization options.
It’s a great bow 🙌🏾
Had I not had an opportunity to shoot it in person I probably could have held onto my wallet and cash that day. Matthews bows are hard to beat from even 15 years back. How they up the ante every season is just amazing. By the way, I was comparing it to a V3X 29 that I already owned and still like very much. It was a very very close 2nd and I'll still hunt with it as a backup. I've got a seriously dedicated bowhunting partner that toured the Matthews facility and he said there's no way I'd shoot the Phase 4 as many times as it was tested. They just can't afford to send things out half-baked.
Modern bow technology has stalled for the last several years, there just nothing new to do.
The way I heard it said is these companies are getting so good at producing these products but they are required to give customers something new, to improve on what’s already great, and to be innovative year after year….that’s gotta be tough shoes to fill
Just a tip....but I also have had alot of issues with the monkey tails, the fix I have found was the Pine Ridge split dampeners, they do the same thing and never break on me
bows now a days are simply as good as they will be. It’s like re inventing the wheel at some point. It’s not a bad thing, but each year it’s just little tweaks (from all company’s). It’s not the 2010 era where we went from a z7 to a halon and triax in a couple years. Now it’s simply which accessories appeal to you, yk.
Buy a Hoyt carbon if you want a lighter bow without a lot of noise and handshock. I dont shoot mathews any more. I switched to a hoyt because i wanted a bow that was versatile and light but could accommodate a high poundage setup. I shoot a minimum of 70 pounds. Bare minimum. My bow is adjustable from 65 to 80 pounds. No modules needed and it shoots a 350 spine @ 340 feet a second with a 30 inch draw length lol. No expensive modules and no need to worry about your hands getting hold. My carbon hoyt absorbs my body temp instantly. My hand isnt cold from a crappy out of date aluminum riser anymore.
I love the phase 4 because my V3X 29 is great for me and not enough changed to tempt me. Lol I look forward to the next evolution in the coming years.
Thanks for the honest review
I’m still shooting a TRIAX lol
I’ve tried all the new Mathew bow’s except the Phase 4
Are they better yes
Just not enough for me to part with cash
I do want to get a V3X more of just wanting a 2 nd bow than I think it’s head and shoulders above the TRIAX lol
Thanks again
I have a triax and have not had one issue. Shoots sweet great little bow .
Have you been able to shoot a prime bow? They have 80 lb options and it sounds like they're really nice also
The RevX is a nice shooter, so was the Inline if you can find one.
I came into the bow hunting scheme of things just a couple years ago, I don't have much knowledge on the old school compared to the new. I do however see little to no difference in the bows since 2019. They all love the same if not very similar. There's not much ground breaking developments or upgrades that I can find let alone feel when I shoot any newer bows. You can grab a bow from the 90s and still perform similar, if nor equal to the newer bows. I'm also irritated that In the old times, we have , had, have long bows and recurve bows that can put out more poundage than the modern compound bows. Once the mathews vxr, hoyt tx7, pse evo, etc etc came out.....there's really not much difference. Sept the price. Minimal upgrades that don't do much is not worth the extra hundred bucks, let alone making the bow over a grand.
V3X owners are unhappy lol. People coming from older Matthew bows are happy with it
Exactly 🎯
Personally think they had these changes in mind last year but maybe wasn't refined? Why else was there a painted black line on the limbs of last year's model. They needed something for this year so didn't come out with it last year is what it feels like.
I agree with your comment about their R&D department. I guess Mathews could be taking chances with their notoriety and being reckless. NOT!!!🤪
I'm going from a Q2XL from about 2004 to the Phase 4. I don't think I'll have any issues being impressed with the new one. I'm not impressed with the price tag! What has happened in the last 20 years! I also need to give a thumbs up to Zebra strings. My son and I shot a Vegas 450 at the local range a few weeks ago, and I still have the original strings and cables on my Q2XL. I ended up with a 384 with 6 X's. That included 2 zeros on the first end. I can't wait to get the new one set up and running!!
MY FIRST NEW BOW- and my last and Only bow, SET UP FOR $2000 friking dollars? WHOS on crack !!!!!?????
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It’s making me consider the Hoyt RX7 Ultra. Thought I’d never say that I’d be considering a Hoyt but it’s where I’m at.
1700-1800 barebow vs 1300 barebow👀
@@PrivilegedBowhunter currently have the VXR. Want a 33-34 ata. Don’t love the phase 4 those limbs seem like more moving parts than I’d like. I don’t really have the rx7 cash but I don’t want to spend the money on the phase four as I’m not loving it.
This is exactly what I did. Went to Hoyt. Is a great bow. Honestly had enough with Mathews always looking to exploit a loyal fan base and extra 750 to get the best performance out of a 1400 dollar bow. Is almost laughable. Never mind the poor performance of the factory strings and most people get a new grip or side plates. That bow is now 1650 plus. I have my travese and v3 and shoot them well. But def for now decided to go a different route. Hope Mathew’s comes back to earth.
@@mattarpano4541 appreciate the feedback. I’m planning on keeping the VXR. Just want a longer ATA bow. I’m a 29.5 draw length and they just fit me better. I’m nervous about the cost of the RX7 Ultra. But your right, the new back bar and front stabilizer put you at $1900 for the bow!
Come on guys, this has been coming for awhile. It's a riser, cams, strings etc, there is only so much tech that can be put into that system. Of course it's going to slow down but over 30 years of archery for me there has been great improvement of compound bows. So enjoy the more efficient changes but less changes in te h. My deliama has always been. Hoyt or Matthew's, both very good bows, and I'm about at a 50/50 buying buying one or the other year from year. This year probly hoyt because of there cams.
D🤔es the individual become a better archer if they switch their equipment every year?
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Everything that people have been saying is true about how quiet it is and shock free. I shot the 33 with no stabilizers, and I couldn't hear anything other than the arrow hitting the target. The technology is nuts, but who's to say stuff can't wear out down the road, and it sound like a trx.
Questions is why is it necessary to buy a new bow every year? It is waste of money bc there ARE no innovations it is just marketing traps for dumb n blind fan boys.
Not really you can resell it for pretty much what you paid
You have to reinvent one of the oldest weapons on earth year after year after year... If they have 3 new innovations you KNOW they put 2 on the bow and hold one back for the next year. No speed increases in last decade. I mean they are pretty much up against the wall on how much more they can do. I have V3X 33 and LOVE it, but bow this year did nothing for me.
😂😂😂V3X is a hard act to follow
@@PrivilegedBowhunter AGREED. Next year we will see what they pull out of their hat...
What release you do you have sitting on table with you?
It’s a Gold Nock2 it
@@PrivilegedBowhunter did you paint it it looked od green
Thanks
@@cmack003 negative it’s the Gold one the Dudley sells
Hoyt literally re-released the rx7 with no changes at all. At least Mathews tried something
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I agree with you to an extent. However I feel Mathews is leaving the blue collar guy behind. I just don't see how they can justify the pricing for the accessories that you have to have to get the full benefit from this Bow
At least it’s not 1700-1800 bare bow like another brand😂
I want a pause 4. I’m using a hori-zone 65 and I can nail an apple at 21.4 metres.. I’m not into hunting koalas or Roos but I want to rid this country of foxes and rabbits. Please someone send me one and I will show the TH-cam vid of all
Phase4.. gd text!
Let's be real here, Mathews has had some real duds in the past. They have also had some great bows. I switched from a Hoyt to the V3x 33 last year. I just put money down on the 29 because it's such a nice bow and I want a smaller treestand bow. Mathews hit a home run with the V3x.
The phase 4 is just over the top. There is no need for 8 limbs! Guys are on the internet talking about the noise difference, there isn't one! The stabilizer system is through the roof expensive. The general components from Mathews are super expensive. Not that archery isn't expensive. It's just at what point is it over the top? As for monkey tails get rid of them , go old school with rubber whiskers you won't regret it.
Have you done a sound test?
@@joncleereman1633 hey you go buy the hype, I'm not! I've watched multiple sound tests and the difference is minimal! Worth the hype? Next the whole stabilizer is so over priced it's outrageous! Hey you want it go buy it. To me this doesn't out so the v3x. I'd rather have solid limbs. As for the sound of a deer is going to jump the string they are going to jump the string. You can say what you want but the hype isn't worth the coin. Why are we trying to change stabilizer systems? To me they just came up with B's to hype the bow.
@@mikenutto396 Do you know how many decibels difference there is from the Phase 4 compared to last years bow and the competitors?
@@joncleereman1633 they say 13 % difference, is that going to make the difference for you? I'd say it's not worth all the hype
@@mikenutto396 I'll be testing the Phase 4, Prime Revx and the new Hoyt VTM and the RX7 this friday. I'll let you know what i find.
If I'm going to risk divorce for spending $27000 on a bow I'd atleast like it to shoot in the 300's
I have the v3x 29 and love it if I had the money id get the phase 4 and the new stabs but just not enough to make me wanna upgrade. I dont get all the hate ether the bow is super quite and dead. I dont even use the monkey tails anymore....God Bless brother...
The company that has taken the biggest steps this year is elite. The omnia and the era are amazing. They are in a class all in their own
Yikes. This opinion didn't age well. 😂
@@casanovafrankenstein8875 it's aged perfectly fine. If you're talking about the first omnias out that had cable rubbing issues, they fixed that immediately. People made a mountain out of a molehill. Hell you can adjust the first ones out extremely easy, elite has a tuning guide that shows you. I've got over 2000 arrows through mine and have had 0 issues