Boox Tab Ultra, Ultra C, X, and Mini C vs Note Air 3 C. It's Complicated.
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00:00 Intro
01:09 NA3C CPU Question
04:35 Devices Tested
05:57 Geekbench Results
09:08 PC Mark Results
12:35 Passmark Results
15:49 Conclusion
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**THIS VIDEO WAS FINALIZED BEFORE USERS STARTED REPORTING THAT THEY ARE RECEIVING UNITS WITH A 2.4GHZ CPU INSTEAD OF 2.8GHZ, LIKE MY UNIT HAS, AND BEFORE OFFICIAL SPECIFICATIONS WERE RELEASED. I AM CURRENTLY INVESTIGATING THE ISSUE WITH BOTH BOOX AND OTHER USERS, AND WILL BRING A SEPARATE VIDEO REGARDING THIS MATTER WHEN I FINISH THE INVESTIGATION**
I don't often address benchmark results in my review videos, but this time, I decided to do a dedicated video that compares the RAW computing power and performance of the Boox devices that have been released in the past year (e-Notetaking devices). The reason behind this is that the Note Air 3 C feels significantly faster than any of the Tab devices. So much so, that it prompted me to actually do this test, and see what is going on. And here are the results :)
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Great idea to get a large data set with serial numbers in. I'll send mine in too. Looking forward to the results! 🙂
did u receive a 2.4 or 2.8?
I get it why people are upset about the frequent releases of devices. I got my first boox device (Nova 3) after noticing your channel and seeing your videos. When the Nova Air was release, I was a little disappointed because it looked like the much better device for my needs, but I couldnt economically buy another device at such short periods. Now I have been watching the release schedule and planning on getting a 10 inch device, and am really glad to have outwaited the releases till the 3c and got it a week ago. So in summary I dont see the need of the frequent releases, still very happy with my nova 3 and wont replace it till jt is broken - or a friend or family member needs an ereader urgently :D - same plan for my note 3c. Thanks for all your work, your channel is amazing :)!
Totally sharing wories about ewaste. Actually despite the huge vantage point of the BSR, i m not sold on such a energy hungry technology when one of the most decisive points of the eink world for me has always been it's longevity and sobriety (is that english? Soberness maybe?).
Thanks for your video. Very interesting as always.
Another impressive in-depth comparison... thanks for the great information!
Excellent as always (even better than usual given all these benchmarks!). Thanks. Selling my Ultra C and expect to buy a Note Air 3C -- mostly for form factor, but these memory and storage scores have me pretty excited.
I purchased and have been using the Tab Ultra C for a few months now after being a ReMarkable 2 user since its release. I really wanted to love the Boox device, and am still finding ways to use it in my workflow, but I’ve really been disappointed in its performance. It has seemed clunky and slow to me out of the box. I really thought it was just personal preference until I saw these results. Thank you for taking the time to put these devices through their paces like this.
As always brilliant video. Thanks
Hey Voja, thank you. This is *very* interesting. Can I make a suggestion? I have seen a bit of the beta for the 3.5 firmware, and it seems like the highlighting in Neo Reader will be a GAME CHANGER for usefulness. I would love to see what you think of the new highlighting tools and drawing tools... etc..
Great as always!
I agree about the consumerism! I have 5 devices and mostly using one max 3. The devices that are pretty much absolute I have are Poke 3 and Nova 3. I wish I could return them (even if I purchased the Nova 3 in Amz) and get a credit for my next order or something like that so it's a win win between us and Boox.
Hey thanks for these videos. It would be great to see a similar video for reasons to buy/not buy note air3c vs RM2 and vice versa - especially in terms of note taking comparing writing experience, sync capabilities/limitations across platforms, OCR search, handwriting to text conversion. On a side note which stylus/nib would you recommend to mimic rollerball pen, if any? Thanks!
Dear Voja, I think a video on obsolescence is great. As much as I am into technology and love to buy new devices, I am now practising buying technology that lasts longer. Instead of buying a new Boox device, I decided to buy a Supermode A5X. Here, I was convinced that the company continues to develop the software and maintains the devices in the long term. I hope that Boox and similar providers will follow suit or at least provide security updates to ensure the long usability of their devices.
I agree. BOOX has released another group of best in class hardware along with their usual modest improvements in software. But with this new release, has BOOX finally caught up or surppassed the note taking capability that the Supernote has had for months/years? I doubt it. And I'm not going to buy any more new BOOX hardware just to find out.
I still have a Boox Note 2, with which I never had as much fun taking notes as I do with my Supernote. As a big eBook reader, though, it still does a very good job of handling all the apps I read with. I think the time for updates for the device is over now. 3 years though is no age for the hardware, so as long as it doesn't break, it won't be replaced.
I’m getting the mini because it’s small. I appreciate your channel and work though. Really a ruler could of been the only test once I could see they were all beasts
I own a Nova Air 1 device over 6 months now. Made my purchase based on MDG review (among other channels related to the hobby). I love my device, serves my daily needs just right. Haha
Now I really really hope for Boox to release a Nova Air 3 C or something like that... I mean an device just like Note Air 3 C, but with a smaller frame would be lovelly, no? Fingers crossed 🤞😁
Hello Voya
I really appreciate your work , your efforts really enables people to know much more about e paper world so really big big thanks for you .
I think from what i know tab ultra c pro will be more powerful than note 3c thanks to its flagship processor (used in previous flagship smartphones) which is allegedly the Snapdragon 855 .
Hi there! Good "speced" devices with a longer life cycle (3 to 6 years) is definitely more interesting than the constante barrage of products.
Put more time in R&D and make sure that we can reduce e-waste, to help countries create e-waste processing infrastructure.
This is a post for those who are interested in the Note Air 3C CPU inconsistency issue.
www.reddit.com/r/Onyx_Boox/comments/17gtr7g/note_air_3c_cpu_question_24ghz_vs_28ghz/
Please check it and if you are an owner of the Note Air 3C, consider participating in this independent investigation, so that we can let the data speak, instead of conspiracy theories :) Thanks!
Hey Voja, i am interested in Mini C & that smaller Device is attractive enough to carry anywhere, yes i agree weight could be Better.
But this Video is too professional for me so i am not sure now where the Mini C stands, where is Mini C worst point or what is the Mink C highlight. Thanks for explaining 👌🏾
Well interesting but depending of the OS could be different results (FW and Android Version) for example I have TUC with FW 3.5 beta and could be better performance than 3.3. Other thing is the storage is not for the SoC, is because the speed of the storage (UFS 2.1, 2.2, 3, etc...). The amount of ram is almost useless in eink devices (I had a bigme ink color plus with 6gb ram and tuc performs way better in real life). Any way is good video and very interesting. Thabks for all your efforts to brings this content for all who loves eink world 😄.
I have had the Note Air 3 C for a few days now, and yes its 2.8Ghz and I'm really really enjoying it, I also have the Supernote A5X sure its got a better battery but I much prefer using the Air 3 C
Where did you buy yours and what country/marketplace is it under?
Mine was 2.4 GHz bought direct from BOOX USA store and my initial benchmarks are definitely lower than Voya's by appx 2.4/2.8... I'm wondering WTF?!? (Edit: CPU benchmarks are lower on mine, storage/memory/etc seem somewhat consistent with Voya's)
Hi. I have the opportunity to buy a used tab ultra (not c) on the “cheap”, (around half price of any of the “current” new boox offerings). Is there anything that makes the Tab Ultra not desirable on that price range? Or, for this price it is an acceptable device? My plan is for reading academic articles (pdfs) and taking notes. Besides that, as an extra, I’m attracted by the fact that I’m not bound to one ebook store (kobo or kindle), which would be a feature in all boox devices.
The release frequence is already somewhat questionable but the whole CPU issue makes the company look outright shady. I ordered an Note Air 3 C yesterday which I'm thinking about canceling now.
Why exactly?
@@MyDeepGuide If you're asking why it seems shady to me, then the answer is that it seems like they're either sending more powerful devices to reviewers (even though they denied it but that doesn't mean they're being honest) or they're distributing more powerful devices to markets they deem more lucrative (you're in Norway, so maybe they're going after purchasing power).
If you're asking why I'm thinking about cancelling my order, then it's because on one hand, I'm not sure whether I should support intransparent business practices and on the other hand, I don't want to run risk of ending up with an obsolete device when they release a Note Air 3C+/Pro before Christmas or so lol.
Unfortunately, Boox is currently the only brand that makes devices which handle reading (especially PDF's and dictionary support through android) and note taking equally well and you don't have to make concessions in regards to one or the other.
Thanks! :)
My concern is _'battery life cycles,'_ how many cycles can they suffer before battery performance drops off? Because if you can't replace the battery [?] this issue going to greatly diminish the longevity of the likes of the _'Note Air 3 C'_ when compared with other e-ink devices... and should be considered before purchasing.
Do we know the cycle count of the batteries in these devices? If we do then we should be able to anticipate the lifespan of each device with low, moderate and heavy use.
As Boox inches every closer to being a PC replacement, maybe this is something you can add to your excellent *'Deep Guides'* as its becoming relevant.
From 2026, all manufacturers in the EU will be obliged to enable battery replacement. Either by the user themselves, except for devices where this would be a safety risk for the user (e.g. medical devices), or to offer a battery replacement. An exception only applies to devices that are “predominantly” used in a humid environment - which does not apply to eInk devices.
I'm curious to see whether these regulations will also be accepted by chinese vendors. At the moment there are a lot of devices with built-in batteries from them, e.g. thermal cameras.
@@karsten2 As a Brexiteer I'm pleased to hear that, and anticipate that these replaceable units will spill over to UK suppliers.
I have a Supernote A5x which does not have a replaceable battery, but believe their soon to be available A5x2 units will... though I'm not sure about the A4X2 I'm looking to purchase.
I've been asking all over for an answer to this question to no avail. But maybe you can help?
I recently got the Boox Note Air 2 Plus. I'd like to buy the NuPhy Air 75 Version 2 keyboard to go with it. Do you think they'd be compatible?
What do I think about this comparison and do I care about it?
I do care about it.
Really frustrating seeing that my 5 months old tab ultra c, it's way worse than the newest air 3 c that costs even less than I spent 😅...
Now I'm very curious to look at what the new tab ultra c pro will perform, just to know what I could have got with only 50$ more..
Would love an update with adding the Tab Ultra C Pro!
FIRST!!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I ❤ you Voja. Loving all your products and the Channel. I'm getting MDO2024 soon.
I don't care much about performance differences because after using a device for a while, your brain gets used to its performance and you adapt your user behavior to it.
But I do find this constant updating of devices predatory because they feed on people's proclivity to FOMO. Sure, everyone is responsible for the purchasing decisions they make, but we very well know a good portion of users will FOMO and buy.
I have fallen for it, too and I feel the itch that my Tab Ultra C will have very poor resale value as newer models come out.
Kit brings a very refreshing message in this regard: just love your device and stay with it
I am, right now, unboxing and updating my note air c 3. I have a tab Ultra too and may sell it... (if anyone is interested with keyboard cover). As always, love your videos. I'll try and get you that information you wanted.
Congrats! What are your first impressions after a few days of use?😊
I'm strongly considering selling my NA2 and trading up for the NA3C's, color screen, speed and simpler UI.
I'm not a reviewer and also got the 2.8ghz. Bought my device online from the Boox Hong Kong warehouse
When have you bought it?
Considering the volume of production compared to other companies (Apple, Samsung, etc), e waste is not a big concern here. Boox products resells well too.
in the general table there are such models as Poke, Nova, but Boox Page is missing.
Yes, because I didn't do the performance test on it, obviously :)
Let's do a short survey about Air3 C, in the comments. did you get a 2.4 or a 2.8?
2.4
2.8
2.8
2.8
where did u buy your air3? us or usa?
@@aric.d
I am a bit miffed about the whole 2.4 vs 2.8 thing (yup I received a 2.4 and I DO care about the ~17% perf difference), but other than that I am quite happy with with my Note Air 3C so far after 3 days use. Writing experience is awesome especially with smart shapes and smart select. MicroSD = Yay! Battery life sucks but is comparable to normal tablet. Unexpectedly, I find watching video with color EInk with BSR to be easily tolerable for news-like video and whatnot since ghosting of grayscale/color channels are somewhat independent of each other so ghosting artifacts more easily appear as visual noise instead of as multiple layered grayscale images (BASICALLY: brain gets less headache discerning objects in color video with ghosting artifacts compared to pure grayscale since the artifacts do not line up as much)
It's not a 17% difference. Math is quite different here, and this is the reason why I am doing the investigation and data collection, so that we can see what the difference really is. But you should know that those CPUs have two core clusters. Cluster 1 is at 1.9GHz on both (so, identical), Cluster 2 turbos up to 2.4 or 2.8GHz in different CPUs. So it's a lot less than 17%.
@@MyDeepGuide You are quite right as always, and I sent you benchmarks for all the test apps used in your video. True, overall system-wide perf 2.4 vs 2.8 is not much difference no matter how you look at it, but 17% perf for perf hungry threads can be noticeable, but always individual use-case dependent. I'm attempting to get eInk in Note Air form factor as my daily driver for everything, so 2.8 is better for me, but 2.4 is not deal breaker. Saying goodbye to my Ultra. My beef is that I verified with 3 different reviewer channels prior to purchase, so I was expecting to get 2.8 GHz since that is what all 3 reviewers received for review. Thanks again for your great reviews!
That's exactly the question I am asking myself here as well. Ok, a mess can happen, but how is it possible that not a single reviewer didn't receive the 2.4GHz version, and the majority of versions that users have are the 2.4GHz versions? True, some users got the 2.8GHz versions as well, but with the reviewer units. Then on the other hand, there is absolutely no correlation that I can so far see from stores, or serial numbers which device would be 2.8GHz, and which would be 2.4... I need to wait for even more data until I can see some kind of a pattern emerging, if there is one.
The Tab Ultra C Pro absolutely crushes everything else in the Passmark test btw, e.g. 5319 for the CPU, 25536 for memory!
Might as well post the full set for the Pro: CPU - 5319, Memory - 25536, Disk - 72640, 2D GFX - 21790, 3D GFX - 35004, Overall System Score: 11309. The Snapdragon 855 is a huge step up for Boox devices.
I think to play fair they should send 2.4 to revievers before they return 2.8 and in full transparency allow comparison. If it is honest mistake they would look better. I changed my mind and decide not to order.
But how can they do that if they themselves have no idea which u it has which CPU?
@@MyDeepGuide Lol, I didn't know that, than it is comical on top of shady 😀 So can they guarantee I will get at least get 2.4 when I order, or if I won't get smaller battery? Haha.
Nope, it's just a matter of which variant of the same CPU the manufacturer placed in the board.
Except for the edges, ergonomy, etc, the look is very subjective. For instance, the only reason why I haven't bought a single note air series is those orange lines and name 🤦🏽♂️😅 not my style at all...To me, taking into account only the look, Tab ultra C is the most chic. It's a pity that it's slow... (been using it since June)
Can someone summarize the 2.4 vs. 2.8 CPU-Problem? Is it correct that the NA3c comes in 2 versions by luck either with 2.4 or 2.8 ghz (unless you are a streamer, then you will get the 2.8 :-) ? Sure, 2.8 is better, but could 2.4 even be advantageous for the batterylife?
I am currently doing an independent investigation on the issue and gathering data from real-world users to see if there is a way to get some meaningful conclusions from that. But the early indication is:
1. It's the luck of the draw, has nothing to do with reviewers, as regular customers end up with 2.8GHz versions as well.
2. The frequency difference reporting is only for the Cluster 2 of the CPU, so only 4 cores of the 8 will boost differently. The primary cluster is identical in all instances.
3. There is a very slight difference in performance results (in favour of the 2.8GHz version) but we are talking about minor, synthetic differences that will not be perceptible in a real-world scenario.
4. I don't have the measurements, but if there is a difference in battery life, it would also be imperceptible.
@@MyDeepGuide cool, thanks for the quick answer! So probably nothing to be bothered with...
I would add comparison to a mid-range phone. Any phone. Even the cheapest ones score 3x better than all boox devices. All their cpus are slooow.
PS: I got Note Air 3c on Amazon and it has 2.4Ghz, and does not seem any faster than my Note Air 2 plus. Can't see that speed difference that 2.8Ghz units supposedly give. :(
On my 3C battery dies after 1 day of work, literally! The 2plus survives better part of the week of my usage. Leaning towards returning the 3c now...
And why do you want to compare a phone with an e-ink tablet? That doesn't make any sense at all...
are all the results on the same OS version ? or it doesnt matter ?
No, as some of the devices will be on Android 11, others in Android 12, and not all devices are running the Boox OS 3.5. All of the devices were running the latest available OS versions, for them.
As for differences, there might be some, nothing drastic, but it can happen that certain fixes can improve performance.
Actually i bought tab ultra c as an upgrade to note air.
While i am not using any of the tab ultra c extra functions such as keyboard or camera.
Also, actually just as you mentioned here, I do feel it is not fast enough, and touch responsiveness is really bad.
Should i upgrade to note air 3C?
If so, how to minimize my loss?
I'm always impressed by boox devices, but at the same time they have this weird aura around them. Chinese companies are often seen by the CCP as an extension of chinese nationalism itself. So I always feel double buying Chinese electronics and you never know another trade war or worse will cut support for these devices. The way these boox devices are pushed on the market at an astounding speed only aggravates the ecological question. However I feel this is a valid strategy for a company and it's partly up to us consumers to take that into account when deciding for a device. If ecology is important for your decision making then it incentivizes Onyx to do better or gives the competition an opening. I also feel that governments need to do better in levelling the playing field worldwide: impact on the environment can, up to a certain degree, be quantified in a cost (IE what it takes to negate that impact). If that cost is included in the price, the ecological alternatives like supernote that focus more on longevity and recycling become more attractive and thus forces Onyx to revise its business strategy which might no longer be viable.
Actually, I think Onyx currently has a simple reason for releasing so many new devices in such short time. Selling hardware is their main, if not only source of income. They have no expensive subscription services, software sales or peripherals ecosystem comparable to Apple and co. It's not good from an environmental point of view for sure, but it makes sense from their economic point of view. Actually, people also keep changing their smartphones every 2 years or so, despite their current ones still being more than good enough... so, the problem is really wide-spread, and not limited to e-readers.
@@bellissimo4520 yeah I agree, good point on the hardware side. That's why I said that for them it's a viable business strategy and thus they're really doing nothing wrong. If we want to change them we have to make them change that business model by taking that into account when deciding for a device. But honestly you can't expect people to constantly make moral decisions just like you can't expect companies to make them when we live in a competitive world. If being moral means losing to the competition then the game is already set. It's up to governments to make the rules that limit business strategies to not take an immoral route. Consumers can only communicate openly about these things so that the most grievous of immoral business practices can be punished, but after that it's up to regulation. We contribute as a society of course by making ourselves heard such as by voting etc. I feel like you would need to write a thesis about this subject to properly address the complexity of it.