Wow, 11K likes! I'm deeply grateful for your support. Thank you! I also want to address some constructive criticism about the wrist and knee positions I've recommended. Wrist Position Criticism: The suggested wrist angle is not ideal and the position of the forearms on the desk increases the pressure on the forearm flexors. Response: Research indicates that wrist issues are more likely due to excessive keyboard use (over 20 hours a day) rather than wrist position (Bernard et al., 1992; Franzblau et al., 1993; Hales et al., 1994; Doezie et al., 1998, and Conlon et al., 2005). A study from 2008 focusing on individuals training over 20 hours a week found that an ideal wrist angle is less than 30 degrees, easily achievable with a thin, low-slope keyboard like the one I use (Rempel et al., 2008). Regarding the forearms pressure, the notion that forearms should be suspended to reduce flexor pressure is overstated. While it might be ideal to avoid desk contact, this alone is unlikely to cause injury. Simply putting pressure on an area doesn't injure you similar to how resting your back against a chair doesn't harm your back. I think that this misconception stems from people who already have forearm injuries or inflammation and experience discomfort with added pressure. However, this doesn't mean the pressure is the root cause of their injury but rather it is a stimulus that triggers their symptoms. Similar to having a knee injury that gets triggered by walking. In that case, walking is not the problem. Knee Position Criticism: The proposed knee position increases pressure and places the knees at a disadvantage. Response: Actually, the knee position is a key benefit of my recommended setup. The knees maintain a 90-degree angle, similar to traditional setups, but with a crucial difference: they're suspended without any weight or pressure, significantly reducing stress. This might be confused with other positions where weight is applied to the knees, which I agree, would not be ideal. But here, the knees are literally hanging, free from pressure. Additionally, this position benefits the hip flexors. Typically, having the hips at a 90-degree angle for extended periods can lead to hip flexor tightness. In the position I propose, by moving the legs down and back, we're extending the hips, similar to a standing position, which helps in alleviating tightness in the hip flexors. I hope this explanation helps clarify my points. I'm always open to further criticism, and I'll do my best to respond with the time that I currently have. References: - Bernard B, Sauter S, Peterson M, et al. Los Angeles Times, NIOSH Health Hazard Evaluation, HETA 90-013. National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, Centers for Disease Control; 1992. - Franzblau A, Flaschner D, Albers J, et al. Medical Screening of office workers for upper extremity cumulative trauma disorders. Arch Environ Health. 1993;48:164-170. - Hales TR, Sauter SL, Peterson MR, et al. Musculoskeletal disorders among visual display terminal users in a telecommunication company. Ergonomics. 1994;37:1603-1621. - Doezie AM, Freehill AK, Novak CB, et al. Evaluation of cutaneous vibration thresholds in medical transcriptionists. J Hand Surg (Am) 1998;23:759-761. - Conlon CF, Rempel DM. Upper extremity mononeuropathy among engineers. J Occup Environ Med. 2005;47:1276-1284. - Rempel DM, Keir PJ, Bach JM. Effect of wrist posture on carpal tunnel pressure while typing. J Orthop Res. 2008 Sep;26(9):1269-73.
Sir..how to maintain similar neck posture while reading books also? I have scoliosis issue and also preparing for civil exam. I have to study 8-12 hours a day.
I moved almost 500 days ago, and I totally meant to get some cheap books from the local thrift shop to use to pile under my monitor, but I completely forgot to do that. I've had the monitor up on books for a few days now, after watching this video, and it's been great. I also have been sitting with my feet back to shift my center of gravity; that was a trick I didn't know so thank you!
Finally someone who tackles a modern life problem with an approach I can relate myself with. Another high quality and easy to watch video... Thanks for all your material🙏 Keep up the good work! kudos!!
I don't know man but touching the floor your toes with vertical feet and knees bending > 90 degrees doesn't exactly say "neutral position". Combine it with the saddle rocking chair and you get the perfect recipe for a very pronounced anterior pelvic tilt and later lower back disc compression.
I agree. But as humans we aren't supposed to be always be in a fixed state. Having the "perfect posture" 24/7 is just unnatural and is really hard. Most of the videos on youtube always say the same thing. And when I tried it felt unnatural and forced. So always moving and shifting positions when sitting while working is really good. Having a slight anterior pelvic tilt is healthy for us.
The problem is u don't, u don't have to hold a position this is the key. One of the best video ever, you give autonomy to the person u watches, this is so rare nowadays even with journalists.. U did a top job
as soon as i heard him talk about folding the knees, it started making sense. Have been trying forever to figure out why i couldn't keep myself from slouching. Now i can easily sit for 45-50 minutes without any trouble whatsover.. Thank You.
"..you need to activate your lower back muscles that eventually get tired and you fall back" YES! Been struggle with this for the longest time! I'm going to give your tips a try thank you!
bro, i've seen some of your vids and i wanna say no cap, your channel is one of the best youtube fitness channels in english. For real, your content are actually helpful and have scientific studies behind, no like the majority of fitness channels here. Just thank you, never delete your channel and keep going. Jesús te bendiga.
This is great! I recently invested in a new motorized standing desk and a rocking stool but I was still having issues after sitting for 20 or 30 minutes, and I think your tip about moving the feet back to change the center of gravity was the key! It immediately felt right and more comfortable. Thanks!
Yes- the top joint of the body - the AO joint (where head meets spine) is critical. If this is free allowing the neck to ungrip, the rest of the body will organize better as well!
Im so Happy I found this! Im a physics PhD student writing my dissertation and in so much pain the last few years I can barely work ---all the ergonomic stuff I read and tried to do never helped bec I couldnt sustain those upright positions and would get tired and slump or lay down and cant stand sitting up for more than a few minutes ---physical therapy and expensive chairs have not helped ...cant wait to try this because it totally makes sense and fits my exact complaints! Thanks for sharing :D
I'm happy to hear that you found the video helpful! I'm sure you'll see improvement if you apply these tips. Wish you all the best for your dissertation!
I been doing postures, wrong. And causing issues in back and neck. I learned today that - the legs should be back to give a balance. And keyboard should be near. Which I been doing wrong from a long time, I mean basic things like this I found the flaw. You used really well, with base thinking. Thanks man!
Thank you, man. Your video should be watched by everyone. This info could save everyone's back. Today I followed your advice and went from 30 min to 2h without being bored by back pain or neck. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I have been sitting like this (feet under hips) for years and all my back/torso fatigue+occasional pain went away. I found it super comfortable, same position as my motorcycle.
Wow this is uncanny, I used to literally work in a position like 2:11 - it felt a lot more comfortable for my shoulders especially since I'm a relatively short guy working with a normal height sitting desk. I work standing nowadays but the upper body stuff is still really useful. Thanks!
As I was watching the video, I've realised that I spend most of my computer time in this position any way - it just feels comfortable, and only when I think about "good"posture, I switch to this straight and rather uncomfortable one. Looks like, I won't be switching any more. thank you.
I appreciate you sharing this useful information. Your exposition of the topic from a scientific and physics standpoint, along with your recommendations, make this issue seem incredibly straightforward. Continue producing quality material. Cheers)
another (most) important tip that was missed unfortunately - is the height of your desk. The one in the video is clearly way to high, which forces the wrists into an akward position and promotes circulatory problems in the legs (especially unhealthy for the women)
5:13 "no posture is good for all day long, no position is harmful for a small amount of time" thanks for noticing that! Switching your posture while working is a key.
Amazing video. Just another example of why "knees over toes" position is so optimal. Well done. I use a standing desk and keep the bluetooth keyboard underneath me. No sitting necessary. When I do sit, I place the bluetooth keyboard and mouse on my lap. I keep the computer in front of my eyes due to the multiple levels of my standint desk (essentially I am using a bookshelf. ) the stackiny books trick was such a good tip.
Finally the type of content I need. I do office work and paint digitally all day long, started to have pain on my shoulder and tried lots of thing but not these!
Can we at least acknowledge the insanity of our work-dominated culture that makes this kind of videos necessary and even seems natural in the first place?
Its funny how a lot of the guides/"tips" i read are very particular that your feet needs to be flat and in laid out in front of you at all times. I find that putting it below where i sit to be much more comfortable and "lighter". Thank you for the clarification.
We have Aeron chairs in my workplace and I spent some time tweaking the chair. Optimal for me is to lean the chair back and adjust the tension to my weight which causes the back to ‘float’. Coupled with a foot rest this makes it very comfortable.
WOW this was seriously do helpful! I tend to succumb to very bad posture when studying, reading, and working at my desk and my back and neck always hurts as a result! Thank you so much this will help a lot. I might consider that chair but I have to say it does looks a little goofy🤣 great tips though, you’re a life saver!
Thank you very much for this video. As someone who works in the IT industry, having to sit down most of the day in front of a screen is a pain and I always feel fatigued after a long day's work. Your tips surely helped with this.
I sit all day and never had big back problems or similar - my secret is that I can't sit still and change positions all the time. Really glad that you included that towards the end!
thank you a million times! I can't express how grateful I am for your help. Your video is exactly what I needed and, honestly, nobody else explained it as perfectly as you did. thqanks a lot!
Ok, this was unexpected. I found this video randomly and I was sure it's another "90* everywhere!!!" type of video. I didn't like what I saw when you presented the first tips, but going forward I loved your general approach. I have severe back problems right now and your tips gave me a good idea on how to improve my setup. Thanks a bunch!
Yeah subconsciously I was doing that as well. The only problem is that this way of keeping your legs makes it good for your spine and muscles but it makes it very bad for the blood flow.
love the legs behind the chair tuck really helps with not sliding which is what i constantly struggle with. I would love if you would provide tips on how to make seating properly on the large computer office chair for example to have different pads attached to it to make the perfect seating position.
i love this and agree w everything i would add hands/wrists tho the position of hands and wrists not only affects the wrists themselves but the rest of the arm and the shoulders and spine as well i went to a split keyboard that tilts so my palms can face one another and i can never go back
Good tips. As a practical alternative to a fancy rocking... stool like that, having a "wobble cushion"(?!) is a great way to be less static during sitting. At least it helps me a great deal for gaming at home, working in the library or at my desk job now. A bit weird to sit on at first, but you can get used to hit quite quickly. Can highly recommend.
Brilliant. Thank you so much. I haven't been able to use a computer for years and years, I'm laying in my bed on my phone right now and that's how I use the internet. I want to get back to using a computer one day and you may have saved me years off of how long that's going to take to get me back to using a computer. I'm really grateful.
I just got diagnosed with mild scoliosis and military neck after using an ergonomic (?) chair for 1 year. Before that I was using a dining set chair and I was positioning my spine and legs in the way that you show in the video. Looking back, it was a poor and expensive decision on my part. I wish I had seen this video sooner.
I'm going to try the positioning for posture, I have a bad lower back so hopefully this will help. Previously I have used a lower back support that had a pad behind my back and straps that went around my knees. It helped but was cumbersome when I needed to get up. I disagree on the monitor placement. Looking straight forward your eyes should be looking about 2/3rds up the screen. This is because your eyes have a field of view that will see the upper portion of your screen without having to move your eyes. That is unless there is something you need to see above your screen.
I like the way you think. But a saddle stool gets the job done better to open up the angle of the trunk/legs, which is the key. Also, pressure on the pelvic floor is an issue too. Some get split saddles, but I think those can have their own issues and are expensive. I've never had one but my saddle is wide, so I spread my legs wide enough that my thighs take the weight off of the center off the saddle and my pelvic floor. I also shift around a lot.
@@YiannisChristoulas I got a cheap no name saddle stool off of eBay (vendor was "salon supply" or something like that) I think at least 10 years ago for $70 including shipping and took it to work. It's the best 70 I ever spent. I still use it, and the faux leather seat doesn't show any wear believe it or not. I can hardly believe it myself. Since then I've seen more saddle stools in the lower price ranges, but I've had no reason to try them since mine works fine for me. I have an adjustable "standing desk", but I sit on the stool most of the time. I got a very high (I think 32") stool since sitting on a high stool and standing I can use the same desk height rather than move desk up and down. I don't like saddle stools used low. I think all saddle stools can potentially cause issues with pelvic floor, but like I said I decided the way I sit (wide and pretty much doing hip stretches) and standing sometimes I figured might work as well as an expensive Finnish saddle that was split though I'd love to try one sometime. But I've heard some say they can be painful.
I think, at least for me, the reason that putting my feet under the seat makes it easier to keep a neutral spine is not related to shifting the center of gravity but rather to hamstring tightness. For example, if I try to go further than the 90-degree angle and straighten my legs in the knees while sitting, I can hardly keep my lower back straight at all, with a lot of effort. And off course there is no talking about sitting this way for a long time. With 90 degrees this effect is weaker but still there. Bending the knees removes the hamstring tension. Thanks for the video, it got me thinking. For now I'm alternating between a simple chair and an office chair with a back that can recline and rock (which gives me some freedom to change posture), but I may try the rocking stool as well.
When the video started I tried to find a posture that is naturally most comfortable. I automatically put my legs back. And then in the video later you show exactly the same posture. Bang On! I wonder why I never tried to try to put the legs back earlier. I guess I should get a MacBook stand and a wireless keyboard for the neck position. Thanks a lot. You've got a subscriber. And hope I'll have a comfortable sitting during my PhD😇.
Haha, yeah, it makes sense that you instinctively took this position. It comes naturally! Thanks for the support! I wish you all the best with your PhD 💪
I've an issue with chronic inflammation (my orthopedic specialist suspects it's an autoimmune problem) that can be triggered by extended periods of time where my mucles/ tendons are being stretched (like how positioning the feet behind the chair would cause the ankles to be at a less comfortable angle). What I find is also an issue has got to do with the desk height - most desks or tables are designed for reading/ writing/ eating and the height is not 'correct' for using a keyboard or mouse (needs to be lower). One way I've found to deal with this is to raise the chair and use a foot rest so the legs are angled towards the front and allow sitting against the back rest while allowing my ankles to remain at a comfortable resting angle. The other method would be a height adjustable table so it can be lowered or to install a keyboard tray to an existing desk that allows the keyboard and mouse to be at a lowered position. I've tried the method of leaning forwards slightly but that just causes my inflammation to flare up in the shoulders/ neck (clavicle & levator scapulae).
In india also most of the manufactures producing over hight tables , Yes leaning forward put pressure on shoulder and neck , best thing is get a height adjustable table ,height adjustable monitor , perfect chair and 30 minutes yoga or exercise and 5km walking , whatever the chair desk you use, prolonged sitting is the killer of your health !
@@narayana06666 I agree; unfortunately, my body disagrees with exercise these days. The slightest strain (e.g. just a slow and short run to chase the bus) would cause a massive inflammation flare up. I do try to walk around a little at a time but do need to keep it short with longer breaks in between. Even now, I'm still hobbling around with inflammation in my ankles, feet, and knees and spent the past week or so in a wheelchair.
I had a terrible headache each morning and didn't understand what was going on. After that, I laid a couple of books under my laptop and it was the solution.
How can you solve the problem of desk edge pressure on your forearms? Having elbows below the desk is great for your shoulders but then your forearms land right on the edge of the desk... A lower desk maybe?
☝️ This. Sadly from a while back I'm suffering of poor blood circulation, and putting the legs in that position is a big no-no at least in regular chairs.
Did you ever ask a Doctor you have problem with sitting on a Desk?... You only ask about Back pain which manifests after years of Bad Posture and that is point of no return..Only Pain killers or Surgical Correction will work
Speaking from experience, I can’t stress enough how important this is especially for people who like gaming for long hours or office workers Just recently, I had to go to ER because I couldn’t breathe properly. Had the constant need to yawn in order to take a deep breath and felt like my chest was being crushed Turns out the problem was my upper back was that stiff it put so much pressure on my chest and ribs which mimicked the symptoms of possible heart issue etc After a huge crack of the spine and it instantly opened up my airways Did some research on seat positioning and can confirm I’ve been sitting wrong this whole time 😂
Good thinking but the recommendation to move the keyboard closer to the body will (based on the video) cause the front edge of the desk to exert a force on the tendons in the area of the wrist.
Γιάννη έχω λύσει το πρόβλημα από το 1985 με την απλούστερη Vertebra Castelli. Τότε την πλήρωσα κάτι παραπάνω από 1 μηνιαίο μισθό, μα έως σήμερα με "υπηρετεί" εξαιρετικά αξιόπιστα
I love these ideas and presentation; it makes sense. Having sustained a moderate injury to my disks and associated nerve pain I'm adjusting my posture and seeing a physical therapist. All of the literature has feet flat on the floor; however, I suspect this needs updating based on the information you've presented. By chance, do you have references to current research that aren't buried by the millions of other articles? 🙂
Thanks Man, I saw a chair from Japanese that have a sitting position exactly like u showed in the video before but don't really understand why it look like that. Now I understand more and going to buy it.
this is great! MAybe a quick follow-up to discuss pelvic tilt, lots of people (including myself, lol) could probably benefit from talking about this aspect.
Yeah I find myself tilting my pelvis when I put my feet back... I can tuck it, but that's a conscious effort so eventually I'll get tired and start bending it again. Any tips? Thanks!
Wow, 11K likes! I'm deeply grateful for your support. Thank you!
I also want to address some constructive criticism about the wrist and knee positions I've recommended.
Wrist Position
Criticism: The suggested wrist angle is not ideal and the position of the forearms on the desk increases the pressure on the forearm flexors.
Response: Research indicates that wrist issues are more likely due to excessive keyboard use (over 20 hours a day) rather than wrist position (Bernard et al., 1992; Franzblau et al., 1993; Hales et al., 1994; Doezie et al., 1998, and Conlon et al., 2005). A study from 2008 focusing on individuals training over 20 hours a week found that an ideal wrist angle is less than 30 degrees, easily achievable with a thin, low-slope keyboard like the one I use (Rempel et al., 2008).
Regarding the forearms pressure, the notion that forearms should be suspended to reduce flexor pressure is overstated. While it might be ideal to avoid desk contact, this alone is unlikely to cause injury. Simply putting pressure on an area doesn't injure you similar to how resting your back against a chair doesn't harm your back. I think that this misconception stems from people who already have forearm injuries or inflammation and experience discomfort with added pressure. However, this doesn't mean the pressure is the root cause of their injury but rather it is a stimulus that triggers their symptoms. Similar to having a knee injury that gets triggered by walking. In that case, walking is not the problem.
Knee Position
Criticism: The proposed knee position increases pressure and places the knees at a disadvantage.
Response: Actually, the knee position is a key benefit of my recommended setup. The knees maintain a 90-degree angle, similar to traditional setups, but with a crucial difference: they're suspended without any weight or pressure, significantly reducing stress. This might be confused with other positions where weight is applied to the knees, which I agree, would not be ideal. But here, the knees are literally hanging, free from pressure.
Additionally, this position benefits the hip flexors. Typically, having the hips at a 90-degree angle for extended periods can lead to hip flexor tightness. In the position I propose, by moving the legs down and back, we're extending the hips, similar to a standing position, which helps in alleviating tightness in the hip flexors.
I hope this explanation helps clarify my points. I'm always open to further criticism, and I'll do my best to respond with the time that I currently have.
References:
- Bernard B, Sauter S, Peterson M, et al. Los Angeles Times, NIOSH Health Hazard Evaluation, HETA 90-013. National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, Centers for Disease Control; 1992.
- Franzblau A, Flaschner D, Albers J, et al. Medical Screening of office workers for upper extremity cumulative trauma disorders. Arch Environ Health. 1993;48:164-170.
- Hales TR, Sauter SL, Peterson MR, et al. Musculoskeletal disorders among visual display terminal users in a telecommunication company. Ergonomics. 1994;37:1603-1621.
- Doezie AM, Freehill AK, Novak CB, et al. Evaluation of cutaneous vibration thresholds in medical transcriptionists. J Hand Surg (Am) 1998;23:759-761.
- Conlon CF, Rempel DM. Upper extremity mononeuropathy among engineers. J Occup Environ Med. 2005;47:1276-1284.
- Rempel DM, Keir PJ, Bach JM. Effect of wrist posture on carpal tunnel pressure while typing. J Orthop Res. 2008 Sep;26(9):1269-73.
My guy brought the works cited! I really wish more people on youtube would do this
Sir..how to maintain similar neck posture while reading books also? I have scoliosis issue and also preparing for civil exam. I have to study 8-12 hours a day.
bro is genuine 🫡🫡
We dnt see this on YT
Great job
«excessive keyboard use (over 20 hours a day)»
- sounds like a challenge)
I’ve been wondering why I find my feet resting on the wheels after I sit for a while.
Exactly!
I agree. I naturally end up in that position or various others as the day continues.
That rocking chair looks good if not too low.
@@YiannisChristoulasi bought a 27 inch monitor and i found the hieght to be tall for me, i will be downgrading to 24 inch monitor.
Or the chair is too high and your feet is not reaching the floor
I always thought I'm a weirdo for doing this..
I moved almost 500 days ago, and I totally meant to get some cheap books from the local thrift shop to use to pile under my monitor, but I completely forgot to do that. I've had the monitor up on books for a few days now, after watching this video, and it's been great. I also have been sitting with my feet back to shift my center of gravity; that was a trick I didn't know so thank you!
Finally someone who tackles a modern life problem with an approach I can relate myself with.
Another high quality and easy to watch video...
Thanks for all your material🙏 Keep up the good work!
kudos!!
I appreciate your support and I promise to keep them coming!
I don't know man but touching the floor your toes with vertical feet and knees bending > 90 degrees doesn't exactly say "neutral position". Combine it with the saddle rocking chair and you get the perfect recipe for a very pronounced anterior pelvic tilt and later lower back disc compression.
I agree. But as humans we aren't supposed to be always be in a fixed state. Having the "perfect posture" 24/7 is just unnatural and is really hard. Most of the videos on youtube always say the same thing. And when I tried it felt unnatural and forced. So always moving and shifting positions when sitting while working is really good. Having a slight anterior pelvic tilt is healthy for us.
The problem is u don't, u don't have to hold a position this is the key.
One of the best video ever, you give autonomy to the person u watches, this is so rare nowadays even with journalists.. U did a top job
as soon as i heard him talk about folding the knees, it started making sense. Have been trying forever to figure out why i couldn't keep myself from slouching. Now i can easily sit for 45-50 minutes without any trouble whatsover.. Thank You.
"..you need to activate your lower back muscles that eventually get tired and you fall back" YES! Been struggle with this for the longest time! I'm going to give your tips a try thank you!
Exactly! Give it a try!
bro, i've seen some of your vids and i wanna say no cap, your channel is one of the best youtube fitness channels in english. For real, your content are actually helpful and have scientific studies behind, no like the majority of fitness channels here. Just thank you, never delete your channel and keep going. Jesús te bendiga.
Thank you friend, comments like this keep me going!
This is great! I recently invested in a new motorized standing desk and a rocking stool but I was still having issues after sitting for 20 or 30 minutes, and I think your tip about moving the feet back to change the center of gravity was the key! It immediately felt right and more comfortable. Thanks!
also try to work on your back musslces and abbs
How @@Pulko172
I can absolutely confirm that having your screen mounted high helps a lot, regardless of everything else.
Yes- the top joint of the body - the AO joint (where head meets spine) is critical. If this is free allowing the neck to ungrip, the rest of the body will organize better as well!
Im so Happy I found this! Im a physics PhD student writing my dissertation and in so much pain the last few years I can barely work ---all the ergonomic stuff I read and tried to do never helped bec I couldnt sustain those upright positions and would get tired and slump or lay down and cant stand sitting up for more than a few minutes ---physical therapy and expensive chairs have not helped ...cant wait to try this because it totally makes sense and fits my exact complaints! Thanks for sharing :D
I'm happy to hear that you found the video helpful! I'm sure you'll see improvement if you apply these tips. Wish you all the best for your dissertation!
I been doing postures, wrong. And causing issues in back and neck. I learned today that -
the legs should be back to give a balance.
And keyboard should be near.
Which I been doing wrong from a long time, I mean basic things like this I found the flaw. You used really well, with base thinking.
Thanks man!
Thank you, man. Your video should be watched by everyone. This info could save everyone's back. Today I followed your advice and went from 30 min to 2h without being bored by back pain or neck. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
"Less effort to maintain neutral position" Is the key! Thank you for this great educational video🙏🏻🙏🏻💐
I have been sitting like this (feet under hips) for years and all my back/torso fatigue+occasional pain went away. I found it super comfortable, same position as my motorcycle.
Wow this is uncanny, I used to literally work in a position like 2:11 - it felt a lot more comfortable for my shoulders especially since I'm a relatively short guy working with a normal height sitting desk. I work standing nowadays but the upper body stuff is still really useful. Thanks!
As I was watching the video, I've realised that I spend most of my computer time in this position any way - it just feels comfortable, and only when I think about "good"posture, I switch to this straight and rather uncomfortable one. Looks like, I won't be switching any more. thank you.
One of the most and simple tips Ive seen. Thank you very much!
Brilliant. This might be the single most life changing video I watched.
Wow, thanks for the support. I’m glad you found this so helpful 😁
I appreciate you sharing this useful information. Your exposition of the topic from a scientific and physics standpoint, along with your recommendations, make this issue seem incredibly straightforward. Continue producing quality material. Cheers)
I’m glad you found this helpful! I’ll keep them coming!
another (most) important tip that was missed unfortunately - is the height of your desk. The one in the video is clearly way to high, which forces the wrists into an akward position and promotes circulatory problems in the legs (especially unhealthy for the women)
5:13 "no posture is good for all day long, no position is harmful for a small amount of time" thanks for noticing that!
Switching your posture while working is a key.
Amazing video. Just another example of why "knees over toes" position is so optimal. Well done. I use a standing desk and keep the bluetooth keyboard underneath me. No sitting necessary. When I do sit, I place the bluetooth keyboard and mouse on my lap. I keep the computer in front of my eyes due to the multiple levels of my standint desk (essentially I am using a bookshelf. ) the stackiny books trick was such a good tip.
Finally the type of content I need. I do office work and paint digitally all day long, started to have pain on my shoulder and tried lots of thing but not these!
That's why I work from bed
😂
@@YiannisChristoulasplease can you make a video on how to work properly from bed? Thanks
Bro😂😂
Using. 5 pillow 😂😂😂
Me also 😂
This video has really improved my knee pain. Thank you for sharing 🙏🏾
Can we at least acknowledge the insanity of our work-dominated culture that makes this kind of videos necessary and even seems natural in the first place?
Ευχαριστούμε για το βίντεο ! Θα τα δοκιμάσω όλα , σχεδιάζω στο pc για πολλές ώρα και υποφέρω .
Its funny how a lot of the guides/"tips" i read are very particular that your feet needs to be flat and in laid out in front of you at all times. I find that putting it below where i sit to be much more comfortable and "lighter". Thank you for the clarification.
We have Aeron chairs in my workplace and I spent some time tweaking the chair. Optimal for me is to lean the chair back and adjust the tension to my weight which causes the back to ‘float’. Coupled with a foot rest this makes it very comfortable.
This is way better that all those videos that companies show to their employees about ergonomics at the office
this makes so much sense. I'm gonna try this now and see how it goes. Thanks!
WOW this was seriously do helpful! I tend to succumb to very bad posture when studying, reading, and working at my desk and my back and neck always hurts as a result! Thank you so much this will help a lot. I might consider that chair but I have to say it does looks a little goofy🤣 great tips though, you’re a life saver!
Glad to have found your channel. Keep the scientific and useful videos coming. Thanks!
Thanks for the support! I’ll keep them coming!
THIS VIDEO IS EXCELLENT AND AS A PERSON WITH CHRONIC BACK AND NECK PAIN IT HAS HELPED ME TO AVOID MORE PAIN. THANK YOU, SIR!
@@wendysomers810 so glad this helped you!
Thank you very much for this video. As someone who works in the IT industry, having to sit down most of the day in front of a screen is a pain and I always feel fatigued after a long day's work.
Your tips surely helped with this.
Try working out.
Wow. This has not crossed my mind, like ever. Thanks for the quality tips.@@ross-morozov
This is awesome! Thank you for breaking down your videos in such a well structured manner. I really appreciate it!
I sit all day and never had big back problems or similar - my secret is that I can't sit still and change positions all the time. Really glad that you included that towards the end!
So whats the interval?
Every 30 minutes seems to be a commonly recommended interval. @@sreerajcalicut
thank you a million times! I can't express how grateful I am for your help. Your video is exactly what I needed and, honestly, nobody else explained it as perfectly as you did. thqanks a lot!
Same here
Fully realetable man!! That is out of typical video that told us to sit like a robot for a long time.
Ok, this was unexpected. I found this video randomly and I was sure it's another "90* everywhere!!!" type of video. I didn't like what I saw when you presented the first tips, but going forward I loved your general approach. I have severe back problems right now and your tips gave me a good idea on how to improve my setup. Thanks a bunch!
Highly informative and scientifically supported, not just opinion
Yeah subconsciously I was doing that as well. The only problem is that this way of keeping your legs makes it good for your spine and muscles but it makes it very bad for the blood flow.
love the legs behind the chair tuck really helps with not sliding which is what i constantly struggle with. I would love if you would provide tips on how to make seating properly on the large computer office chair for example to have different pads attached to it to make the perfect seating position.
i love this and agree w everything
i would add hands/wrists tho
the position of hands and wrists not only affects the wrists themselves but the rest of the arm and the shoulders and spine as well
i went to a split keyboard that tilts so my palms can face one another and i can never go back
Good tips. As a practical alternative to a fancy rocking... stool like that, having a "wobble cushion"(?!) is a great way to be less static during sitting. At least it helps me a great deal for gaming at home, working in the library or at my desk job now. A bit weird to sit on at first, but you can get used to hit quite quickly. Can highly recommend.
Thank you for sharing this 🙏! Sounds like a good budget way to break away from the traditional fixed chair position.
Brilliant. Thank you so much.
I haven't been able to use a computer for years and years, I'm laying in my bed on my phone right now and that's how I use the internet. I want to get back to using a computer one day and you may have saved me years off of how long that's going to take to get me back to using a computer.
I'm really grateful.
I'm so glad to see that this video helped you! Keep it up and thanks for sharing this! 🙏
Great video. I wanted to ask about the middle part, the hands: why don't you recomend taking the table lower? Let the forearm rest?
Vastly underrated Chanel! Keep up with the great content Γιάννη
Thank youuuuuu!!!
Wow...solution to all my problems in single video...your video is a gold mine...KUDOS..GR8 work
Thank you, I found this video very informative and enjoyable to watch.
Great content! Would love to see more of that. I have been struggling for years with correct posture at my computer desk. This video helped a lot
Happy to hear this! If you struggle with this you might want to check my videos on how to correct Hyperkyphosis, Forward neck and Rounded Shoulders 💪
I just got diagnosed with mild scoliosis and military neck after using an ergonomic (?) chair for 1 year. Before that I was using a dining set chair and I was positioning my spine and legs in the way that you show in the video. Looking back, it was a poor and expensive decision on my part. I wish I had seen this video sooner.
I'm going to try the positioning for posture, I have a bad lower back so hopefully this will help. Previously I have used a lower back support that had a pad behind my back and straps that went around my knees. It helped but was cumbersome when I needed to get up.
I disagree on the monitor placement. Looking straight forward your eyes should be looking about 2/3rds up the screen. This is because your eyes have a field of view that will see the upper portion of your screen without having to move your eyes. That is unless there is something you need to see above your screen.
what an amazing video. not only did you give solutions, but you gave us the why.
I like the way you think. But a saddle stool gets the job done better to open up the angle of the trunk/legs, which is the key. Also, pressure on the pelvic floor is an issue too. Some get split saddles, but I think those can have their own issues and are expensive. I've never had one but my saddle is wide, so I spread my legs wide enough that my thighs take the weight off of the center off the saddle and my pelvic floor. I also shift around a lot.
Shifting positions is key I agree. What is your saddle seat? I’d be interested in exploring other types of support
@@YiannisChristoulas I got a cheap no name saddle stool off of eBay (vendor was "salon supply" or something like that) I think at least 10 years ago for $70 including shipping and took it to work. It's the best 70 I ever spent. I still use it, and the faux leather seat doesn't show any wear believe it or not. I can hardly believe it myself. Since then I've seen more saddle stools in the lower price ranges, but I've had no reason to try them since mine works fine for me. I have an adjustable "standing desk", but I sit on the stool most of the time. I got a very high (I think 32") stool since sitting on a high stool and standing I can use the same desk height rather than move desk up and down. I don't like saddle stools used low. I think all saddle stools can potentially cause issues with pelvic floor, but like I said I decided the way I sit (wide and pretty much doing hip stretches) and standing sometimes I figured might work as well as an expensive Finnish saddle that was split though I'd love to try one sometime. But I've heard some say they can be painful.
Video's are becoming better and better my man! Keep it up! :D
Thank you friend, I appreciate it!
I think, at least for me, the reason that putting my feet under the seat makes it easier to keep a neutral spine is not related to shifting the center of gravity but rather to hamstring tightness. For example, if I try to go further than the 90-degree angle and straighten my legs in the knees while sitting, I can hardly keep my lower back straight at all, with a lot of effort. And off course there is no talking about sitting this way for a long time. With 90 degrees this effect is weaker but still there. Bending the knees removes the hamstring tension.
Thanks for the video, it got me thinking. For now I'm alternating between a simple chair and an office chair with a back that can recline and rock (which gives me some freedom to change posture), but I may try the rocking stool as well.
Excellent video! Subscribed! You have explained a common problem in a simple way and I love your channel.
changed my life in 5 minutes thanks
Thank you! Your advice is very helpful! I tried it out and immediately felt more comfortable at my desk. 🤯
When the video started I tried to find a posture that is naturally most comfortable. I automatically put my legs back. And then in the video later you show exactly the same posture. Bang On! I wonder why I never tried to try to put the legs back earlier. I guess I should get a MacBook stand and a wireless keyboard for the neck position. Thanks a lot. You've got a subscriber. And hope I'll have a comfortable sitting during my PhD😇.
Haha, yeah, it makes sense that you instinctively took this position. It comes naturally! Thanks for the support! I wish you all the best with your PhD 💪
Brilliant, just what I was looking for. Thank you
You’re very smart and I really appreciate your research
Most sensible video on topic! Thank you for valuable information, keep up the good work!
Greetings from Turkey :)
The best video on ergonomics!!! Thank you!
I usually don't say this. But all I learned at school about sitting posture was a goddamn lie. Thanks for this info.
😂 I’m afraid, it might be the case
I've an issue with chronic inflammation (my orthopedic specialist suspects it's an autoimmune problem) that can be triggered by extended periods of time where my mucles/ tendons are being stretched (like how positioning the feet behind the chair would cause the ankles to be at a less comfortable angle).
What I find is also an issue has got to do with the desk height - most desks or tables are designed for reading/ writing/ eating and the height is not 'correct' for using a keyboard or mouse (needs to be lower).
One way I've found to deal with this is to raise the chair and use a foot rest so the legs are angled towards the front and allow sitting against the back rest while allowing my ankles to remain at a comfortable resting angle.
The other method would be a height adjustable table so it can be lowered or to install a keyboard tray to an existing desk that allows the keyboard and mouse to be at a lowered position.
I've tried the method of leaning forwards slightly but that just causes my inflammation to flare up in the shoulders/ neck (clavicle & levator scapulae).
In india also most of the manufactures producing over hight tables , Yes leaning forward put pressure on shoulder and neck , best thing is get a height adjustable table ,height adjustable monitor , perfect chair and 30 minutes yoga or exercise and 5km walking , whatever the chair desk you use, prolonged sitting is the killer of your health !
@@narayana06666 I agree; unfortunately, my body disagrees with exercise these days. The slightest strain (e.g. just a slow and short run to chase the bus) would cause a massive inflammation flare up.
I do try to walk around a little at a time but do need to keep it short with longer breaks in between.
Even now, I'm still hobbling around with inflammation in my ankles, feet, and knees and spent the past week or so in a wheelchair.
This truly worked for me! Thank you much! All the best to you!
I had a terrible headache each morning and didn't understand what was going on. After that, I laid a couple of books under my laptop and it was the solution.
How can you solve the problem of desk edge pressure on your forearms? Having elbows below the desk is great for your shoulders but then your forearms land right on the edge of the desk... A lower desk maybe?
Did you solve this?
Nice presentation!! I recently had apine surgery and this helped me a lot
This video is GOLD for me!! Thank Sir ❤❤
That leg position in a normal chair is almost guaranteed to give you a DVT blood clot for your troubles
☝️ This. Sadly from a while back I'm suffering of poor blood circulation, and putting the legs in that position is a big no-no at least in regular chairs.
If this is healthy, why don't professional physiotherapists and orthopedists recommend this posture?
So they can treat you and make money off you?
They don't want to you to be healthy
Did you ever ask a Doctor you have problem with sitting on a Desk?... You only ask about Back pain which manifests after years of Bad Posture and that is point of no return..Only Pain killers or Surgical Correction will work
because this is plainly wrong aha ?
The accent mkes me think "fellow scholars" and "hold on to your papers", the video is very high quality, good job.
The neutral position is perfect with the Herman Miller Aeron thanks to the front tilt option. Finally free from the pain!
Best video ever, on this subject. Thank you.
Speaking from experience, I can’t stress enough how important this is especially for people who like gaming for long hours or office workers
Just recently, I had to go to ER because I couldn’t breathe properly.
Had the constant need to yawn in order to take a deep breath and felt like my chest was being crushed
Turns out the problem was my upper back was that stiff it put so much pressure on my chest and ribs which mimicked the symptoms of possible heart issue etc
After a huge crack of the spine and it instantly opened up my airways
Did some research on seat positioning and can confirm I’ve been sitting wrong this whole time 😂
This is amazing! i will definitely be doing this now
Give a try!
Thanks a lot for your guidance. You have explained it and made it so simple to follow.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the support
simple, very useful, to the point, great!. Thank you very much.
Good thinking but the recommendation to move the keyboard closer to the body will (based on the video) cause the front edge of the desk to exert a force on the tendons in the area of the wrist.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I just responded to some of these concerns and pined the comment.
Now, That's really great content, finally something I can relate to !
This is a perfect video to portray algorithm forces only those things down your that you want to hear. Like obesity is good, or bad posture is good.
Γιάννη έχω λύσει το πρόβλημα από το 1985 με την απλούστερη Vertebra Castelli. Τότε την πλήρωσα κάτι παραπάνω από 1 μηνιαίο μισθό, μα έως σήμερα με "υπηρετεί" εξαιρετικά αξιόπιστα
I love these ideas and presentation; it makes sense. Having sustained a moderate injury to my disks and associated nerve pain I'm adjusting my posture and seeing a physical therapist. All of the literature has feet flat on the floor; however, I suspect this needs updating based on the information you've presented. By chance, do you have references to current research that aren't buried by the millions of other articles? 🙂
...and scratch that request. I see I just needed to expand the description. Thank you. If you have additional research, please share. 👍
Yet another great video tackling the subject of posture, thank you Yiannis!
Thank you Gonçalo!
this is actually so helpful, thank you !
Thanks a lot for making profound research on this topic!
Thank you for plum line analysis to make your point well-known.😊
Thanks Man, I saw a chair from Japanese that have a sitting position exactly like u showed in the video before but don't really understand why it look like that. Now I understand more and going to buy it.
this is great! MAybe a quick follow-up to discuss pelvic tilt, lots of people (including myself, lol) could probably benefit from talking about this aspect.
Yeah I find myself tilting my pelvis when I put my feet back... I can tuck it, but that's a conscious effort so eventually I'll get tired and start bending it again. Any tips? Thanks!
Excellent explanation. My lower back pain got away immediately !
AMAZING VIDEO, thanks! What if I don't have a Key board? What do you suggest for my Laptop?
Can you recommend a variation for people with postural kyphosis who struggle to maintain a straight spine because of pain?
Great tips!
Thanks for the video!
Your video is great!!!❤❤ I wonder if you have any suggestions on ergonomic chair user?
3:00 yes, I always work from my horse!