We made a new updated video on standing vs sitting vs bicycle vs treadmill desks on my other channel! Check it out here: th-cam.com/video/Kf00aEDmDf4/w-d-xo.html
Generic use of "Standing" on the study you referenced. (Office work vs Other professions was compared... Of course, the output will be vastly different. It's a different Environment therefore different study) Glad you made a new/revised/updated version
the standing position causes the blood to stagnate in the lower part of the body causing problems with the blood capillaries, the danger of heart disease and the onset of hemorrhoids, even the bonds and joints are damaged.
Based on the information in the video, this should actually work quite well. Maybe, with improved robotics, someone might build this, 10 or 20 years from now.
Lying on the bed surfing the web is actually better than sitting in front of a PC. I do that for hours a day and have no issues with my back or spine. I had issues however, when I still used a chair and desk with my PC, my explanation is that you're distributing the weight equally when lying down instead of forcing gravity on your ass alone and having your spine in an unnatural position. Also if you want to lose weight: Eat less, especially sugar, standing won't help you at all, I have a standing desk at work for 7 years now, no sitting for 8-10 hours a day at work. -And I gained 40 pounds since I started that work there. I lost 50 pounds the last 7 months however and am in better shape than 7 years ago by cutting sugar from my diet and eating at most twice a day, not really counting calories but when I do I recognize that I don't eat like a pig anymore.
Motorized standing desk and alternate every 60-90min sitting/standing provides best health benefits. Personal note: I change position when I change tasks and tend to block together creative + deep thinking tasks while sitting, and planning + communicating (emails, phone calls) while standing. Works like magic 😀
Totally agree! For me standing is a shot of energy, so when I am feeling tired I put my headphones with my favorite music. Also works for meetings where I have to motivate others
My mom's a pharmacist and works standing all day, and she has massive blood circulation issues. The best thing is to alternate! Not standing too much, not sitting too much.
If I sit, I can work 5 hours comfortably. If I stand, I can work 5 hours comfortably. If I alternate when my body tells me to: I can work 10 hours comfortably.
I agree and I think that their struggle actually gives them an advantage in terms of life expectancy as well as sleep quality. People in menial jobs last longer as opposed to someone who lives an immobile lifestyle. Curious to hear thoughts on this!
@ hey dumbass he never said a week if he works 10 hours a day he works 70 hours a week so stop complaining about you're job and appreciate that you have one bitch
This. I have an electronic desk and I can change the height to stand or sit whenever I feel like it. It's expensive but the "best" solution in my opninion.
@@r1pfake521 a cheaper option would be a stool that puts you at the same height as when you're standing. Bonus points if the seat is rigid, rarher than padded, as you'll be more likely to get out of it more frequently.
Also if you do have to sit for prolong period of time, I suggest leaning forward. It had helped me with my lower back pain (I accidentally fell on my tailbone from doing pullups once)
If you're more healthy you're not less likely to die, you are just less likely to have diseases and'll probably live longer. That sentence is poorly written
Does being in a state of being old longer makes life better. I’m a very sporty very active person and I’m afraid when I’ll be more and more stiff and less sporty for decades.
Exactly. What few people mention is that backs were never designed for standing. Backs were designed so that the lower half was supported by the back legs and the upper half was supported by the front legs. When we stood upright be we doubled the pressure on the lower back.
65+% of studies published in scientific journals are never replicated. Small sample sizes, p-hacking, agenda’d hypotheses, and dodgy funding all contribute to this. “A new study says” is the most over-respected statement in modern times.
@@NickRoman The answer is meta-studies. Each study can contribute, but is not necessarily meaningful on its own. Seemingly spectacular results are more likely to be published. Attempts to reproduce them less so, especially when they fail to. So: A paper on a single study can be food for thought, and a good starting point for further study, but unless you (or others) can confirm the findings, it is meaningless.
@@NickRoman Not really. Traditional media - tv, magazines, journals, etc, including scientific ones; are all one way, and only allow those in power/influence to have a voice. TH-cam is 2 way - you have like and dislike buttons, and you can make replies; and most pertinently it allows anyone to have a voice. That comes with the downside that any idiot has a voice, but the plus side is that we are no longer sheep to sources of information we have little control over. At least with youtube you can make your mind up who are the idiots and who is talking sense. Which vidoes to believe and which ones are don't seem right. Prior to youtube our only options were several different tv channels or newspapers, all of which talked complete b******s most of the time. With traditional newspapers and tv, they are just big business publishing the most dramatic stories they can find; with one sole intention: to make money. With no interest in the matter in hand, or sometimes a dangeroulsy biased political view. With youtube, individuals who have a genuine passion for a subject can publish detailed articles about things they understand in great depth and have a passion for. With tv, you never got information directly from the experts, from those in the know. Any interviews with experts were pressured by the tv/newspaper companies to say certain things, and then what they said was edited to twist their meanings, and you often got a very short and summarised version which can easily be misleading and misinterpreted. Whereas now you can get information directly from people who do that job or have had a particular experience or are well versed in a specific subject without the pressure, twisting, and distortion from the media. I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's a thousand times better than the old days of relying on the twisted drama and lies from the huge media moguls.
I don't think many people are considering standing permanently at their desk. The idea behind desk raisers is to, every 20-40 minutes of sitting, do 2-15 minutes of standing. Also, no one stands perfectly still. This video makes it sound like you have to choose between 2 extremes.
I've been using a treadmill desk for months now. It takes a few weeks to get used to but once you do you don't even notice you're walking while working anymore. I absolutely love it! I've lost 15 pounds without even trying and I'm in the best shape I've been in in years.
@@MariaGloriaAdan standing desk + walking pad / mini treadmill. Imagine a treadmill with no handle, just the walking part. It's usually shorter in length, closer to a square shape.
Well, of course. There is no such thing as 'healthy'. With a 'healthy' lifestyle you just try to avoid negative input that may worsen the constitution of your body. Well, up until the age of 25 your body actually improves, builds up an immune system, muscles and develops cognitive functions. But as soon as you continue aging and step over that 25-year-mark your body constantly naturaly deteriorate and all you can do is trying to slow down the process. Have a great day. Just a short analogy: There is no 'cold'. There is just an abscence of 'warmth'. Think about it.
100% of the people who lived, died. Who would've thought? No, but seriously, every coin has two sides, every sword has two edges, etc. The are upsides and downsides to everything, our task is to choose what's best for us, what sacrifices are we willing to give to have a better life. Some people benefit from a sedentary lifestyle, while the rest don't.
I got a stand-up desk about a month ago. It's helped SO MUCH. My legs were aching from sitting so much. I'm working up to 4 hours a day - 4 up / 4 down! BUT, not four hours straight. I stand for 30-45 min at a time.
I have got butt pain for sitting too long now i think i will have to buy stand up desk soon 3 months and my butt still hurt when i sit... my life have become too difficult now 😔😔 painful days
@@disha4613 (just noticed it is an old thread - I hope you have already solved it) try changing your chair. I have a great chair that can be fine-tuned to my height and proportions BUT it is so old it literally becomes a pain in the ass if I sit on it while I work/study/play. The pain went away when I switched to a simple wooden chair, that is not so soft. It also lacks armrests and adjustments, but it helped me till I bought a new comfortable adjustable chair (which still is not perfect for my 195 cm, but will do).
You will find many office chair reviews suggesting that there are issues with office and executive chairs that are less than $500, so while sitting all the time is bad, it shouldn't be extremely painful. Gaming chairs are famously "not ergonomic", but i used my cushy ~$300 one for remote work as a call center rep for months without issue after hating how much my ~$100 "executive" chair made my butt hurt after just 3 months of the same extended use. After nearly 2 years of use of that gaming chair with its head cushion adjusted parallel to my neck so my head rests on its top and its back cushion positioned to provide some lumbar support, it's still working great for me. It might not be the best chair for the job, but it works for me. At the very least, it's working for much longer than my previous chair, so you really do get what you pay for.
I’ve been using a standing desk for about 7 years. The lessons I’ve learned: Neither position is great for a long time; consequently, you need to shift every hour or so. Sometimes, if my feet are sore, I’ll only stand for 20 mins, and then sit back down for a half hour to an hour. Good footwear is a non-negotiable. I keep an actual hourglass on my desk that I will flip sometimes, to remind me to switch positions. Standing, for certain tasks, can be EXCELLENT and result in more productivity. I have to sway my body, dance, or hold different poses when standing, so I don’t become stiff. Standing desks are a god-send if you have back and arm pain. The naturally erect position can help A LOT, not to mention the fact that you can dial in the perfect height to get your arms at the perfect angle to type. Having a good chair is important too. I actually alternate between two chairs when I’m sitting: one is a regular chair with a back for when I’m tired, but another is a balance ball that’s on a wheel base. This is my primary chair and I love the thing dearly. It engages my core and keeps me upright, and my motions fluid when I am sitting. It is not the same as being slumped in a chair. Last lesson: the expensive motorized desks are ABSOLUTELY worth the $$ if you can afford it. I started out with a hand-cranked model, and I was much less inclined to switch positions because of the effort it took. 5 years ago I switched to a fancy L desk that cost over $1,000. It was WORTH EVERY PENNY. It is SO easy to switch positions, so I’m much more likely to do it. It’s also great having a whole desk/table top that goes up and down, rather than just a small table-top unit. I had one of those for 2 years and it was very restricting because I had no space except for my keyboard and mouse. -- NB: you can over do it with the standing. A friend of mine got her first standing desk this year, and loved it so much she NEVER sat down for weeks. Then she developed plantar fasciitis 😵💫. All things in moderation.
I think that alternation is key, and so are active breaks to move around and leave the desk. A a student, I would recommend to alternate every hour between sitting and standing. Nice video!
This is what works for me. I am a software engineer so I use computer a lot on a daily basis. Every 20 minutes I'm sitted, I stand up to get some stretching. Then, I stare at some point, anything, that is at least 5 meters away, so I can give my eyes a rest. This has helped me to avoid eyestrain related headaches. This little break takes just 2 minutes, then I sit down and continue my work for the next 20 minutes. Also, every 2 hours, I stand up and walk around for at least 15 minutes. I don't care where, just to get some fresh air and get a walk. I use a multitimer application for this, and it has worked like a charm. No need for an standing desk, at all. Also, you need to know how to properly sit and avoid slouching, that your chair is ergonomic and in good condition, etc.
@orwor nah pomodoro has 25 mins and 5 mins break but as a student pomodoro will work best for me .......i would not take a bottle drink water every 25 mins and do some streaching (im here after back and shoulder pain :(( )
My company switched to height-adjustable desks earlier this year. While I can say that my posture has improved and my back no longer aches as often, I have noticed a decrease in my productivity. Being huddled up near my monitors while sitting allows me to get lost in my work and tackle large projects quickly, whereas I often get distracted or can’t think as deeply when I’m standing. Does anyone else experience this?
I thought it was just me. About the only thing I can do standing is answer email. For the stuff that requires attention to detail or deep thought, I need to sit down.
standing desk was one of the best investments for my health imo, it helped a lot with lower back pain, tight hips, and bad posture. It's also easier to move around every now & then when you're already standing anyway, feel like if you're sitting you'll be less likely to move. I still use a chair but just for less time and this is where I think a good ergonomic chair such as from herman miller or steelcase comes in because it will be easier maintain good posture while seated in those types of chairs.
Hasn't it always been, remaining in any one position (standing or sitting) for extended periods of time is damaging? Which probably makes standing slightly better as you're more likely to shift position more frequently. I assume the best thing to do is move regularly and frequently.
Standing for long periods also puts a lot of pressure on your knees/feet though. I developed some chronic foot muscle inflammation after working as a cashier and standing in one spot for 4 hours straight between breaks.
@@KyokujiFGC Weird no one has mentioned this. Standing still for extended timeperiods will wreak your knees. The problem isnt sitting. It's not moving for extended amounts of time.
@@wazzap500 not just your knees. Your lower back as well. I had to stand for a couple hours a few years ago, when my lower back was already bad, but not as bad as it is now, it was a one-time occasion for work purposes. At the end I had to start squatting in the arrivals hall of the airport I was meeting someone at because I literally couldn't stand.
I love people who accentuate the difference between causation and correlation, because most youtube channels completely disregard it out of convenience. That' a sub from me!
At about 6:05, he mentions a study that "Prolonged standing resulted in measurable increases in arterial stiffness." Is that related to Varicose Veins?
This is my view on the topic as someone who suffers from ciatic pain. Quick intro: I am 21 years old, in great shape, I do martial arts, exercise and have good stretching capabilities. However, from working and studying seated, I ended up hurting my lower back. As the video says, changing positions is the key to success. I found out that for me, the best is to alternate positions, hang from a pull up bar from time to time, sit on a deep squat position and walk. Also, strengthening the lower back and core is incredibly important, as well as stretching. However, do not do these excessively because you can end up injuring yourself, just like it happens with exercise. Take these exercises of strengthening and stretching as a daily activity and you will see great progress.
I'm on my 3rd year of working from home and sitting for hours had become an issue for me. I gained weight, my hips started to hurt really bad and though I was productive with my work, afterward I just felt lazy from sitting all day. I decided to get resistance bands and whenever I had a moment I'd just get up, work out for about 15 minutes and sit back down. I did whatever I could to just move around, even if it were for just 15-20 minutes every so often. ... It worked! I felt better, healthier, stronger and it wasn't because of working out for hours at a gym. It was a constant balance of working and moving throughout the day that helped me get back in shape. Doesn't have to be a full workout session. Just a little every other hour will do wonders.
Me too. I go for a walk so many times that I believe no one can tell for certain in which department I work in, I don't know how I still receive a pay check, must be a Milton moment. Standing desks is trading back pain for legs, knees and feet pain and I need those for walking between departments.
When I was in grade 9, I went for a parent-teacher meeting with my mom and I was shaking my leg as I commonly do. My mom told me to stop and my teacher told her that it's actually great that I do that, that encouraging movement, no matter how small is healthy. I took that to heart and will never forget that. I have ADHD so I tend to move around constantly while I'm sitting, and I am happy that I do! Now to get myself to be consistent with actual exercise, that would be great.
I have adhd and always wondered why it's "rude" to shake legs while sitting down. I fidget so much while standing people think I want to go piss. mind feels more at ease moving, as humans are supposed to
@@0zone247 Yes it really is so hard to concentrate when you're forcing yourself to be still. I guess it's distracting for other people but not moving requires so much effort
@@0zone247 It is not rude, it is just other people want to control you, because they feel distracted, low morale people. That is bad parenting if your parent tells you to stop moving, he should ask, why you are moving, and try to understand you.
For over 6 years now I have been using a non adjustable standing desk. If I really need to sit while working I could pull up a stool. At first I did that, and it was always tempted to use the stool... It was a distraction. So I got rid of the stool altogether and couldn't be happier. With no choice but to stand you stop thinking about it after a couple days. Every hour or two I may take a break on the couch for a few mins. Plus sit for lunch. I take breaks for my head and mind, not necessarily from being tired from standing. I find this has been great for me so far. I find when I stand I rarely stand perfectly still... I do sway, stretch, fidget my legs as I work at the desk. My standing muscles are jacked!!
Tweak in the age of COVID and working from home: A longish training video is a perfect time to be riding an exercise bike while watching. Keep it gentle - it keeps you more awake/alert, it's movement, and it feels kinda good. I don't recommend it for meetings though - I think that'd look weird. I also retain more than just taking notes.
The best is getting an electric standing desk so you can switch between sitting and standing regularly. That has the best effect both physically and mentally. Plus, when you're standing it's much easier to stretch and move around.
The Goldilocks Zone direction you took with this issue also had me thinking about occupations where you have to be standing for hours on end. Specifically entry-level jobs like retail/fast food/factory/line-work/etc. since it's often STRONGLY discouraged by employers and even customers to take breaks and sit down every so often. Especially in regard to jobs that require you to be in one place for most/all of your shift - like cashiers. And I hear stories of folks who have worked for years in these positions, later have marked orthopedic problems with knees/feet/etc. due to not moving enough = locking up. Regular movement sounds to be the most reasonable and healthy approach.
I'm not convinced that we evolved to stand for long periods. Traditional cultures don't stand all day - they are usually walking or squatting or lying down. My intuition is that the most practical answer for most is to move every 20-30 minutes. This fits in well with the Pomodoro approach to productivity, where you work in targeted bursts with breaks every half hour. It also fits well with Pavel's Greasing the Groove approach to training, where you do regular bursts of a selection of exercises throughout the day to about 50% of your max reps. I set up basic equipment like kettlebells, resistance bands and a pullup bar by my desk, and every 30 minutes I'll do a set of one or two movements, or take a quick walk, or do a stretch or two. My gut feel is that this regime would be at least as good as a standing desk. Treadmill desks may offer something more, but are expensive and take up a lot of space - they simply won't be viable for most, including myself. I'd be surprised if the episodic movement regime outlined above was significantly less effective than using a fancy desk, and it's certainly more practical for most. In the absence of any strong evidence for a standing desk, I don't plan to change.
Where I work they've hooked up our treadmills to generators. If we don't produce enough electricity during the week, it comes out of our paychecks. And if we spill more than three ounces of our nitroglycerine per week, we're docked for that, too. Sometimes we have to juggle more than three jars of the stuff at a time, so it can get pretty hairy. But the pay is good.....
@Guybrush Threepwood A recently retired friend has just had surgery for very unsightly varicose veins. One of the most common causes is standing for long periods. He spent his whole life in standing up jobs where he didn't move much. As humans, we need to change our position regularly. I'm pretty confident that standing stationary for too long is just as unnatural and destructive as sitting for too long. With either, we need to move every 20 - 30 minutes.
@Guybrush Threepwood Agreed. You often see it claimed that even small amounts of sitting will destroy the benefits of your exercise, and that you can't out-train sitting. There's something wrong with that line of argument. I used to be a decent athlete and trained with a guy who won European Gold and Olympic Silver in track and field. When he wasn't training he was resting and would sit for long periods. But the stopwatch gave pretty compelling proof that all that sitting didn't destroy his training gains...
@Cosmonauteable No-one said that 25 minute work periods are carved in stone. If you're doing a high focus task and have good concentration, there's nothing wrong with working in 40 minute bursts - though I'd argue that most people will lose concentration long before that. Anything longer than 40 minutes is too long - you'll simply end up with a wandering mind. And you won't be doing high-focus work all the time - even as, say, a programmer you're often doing admin, routine work etc. The principle is to work in targeted bursts and then move. For the actual timings, you can use some flexibility and common sense.
07:20 - my trick for this is to have an empty glass on my desk. By having it on my desk, it is a reminder for me to drink, and when I want to drink it makes me walk to the tap, giving a ~20 second walking break regularly.
These studies are too simplistic. The number of variables between a stock trader and a construction worker are countless. On the job stress levels, stress that doesn't stop after work, likelihood of eating an expensive unhealthy restaurant lunch vs a brown bagged simple healthy lunch, odds of working a straight 40 hour week vs 50+ hour week, getting hours of real exercise doing your work vs not, etc, etc. My guess is the factors above are far more important than simply standing vs sitting.
Yes he does address these factors in the video which is exactly why he mentioned these studies as not being helpful or simply useless. The alternatives he gave out are more realistic and can tailored more to each person's circumstances.
God bless you, sir, for doing such a researched video. As a grad student in sociology research, nothing makes me happier than "they did not include control variables"
I'm so, so impressed by your video. I am finishing my PhD (*qualitative), but your quantitative data (simply put) was excellent--showing how strong or weak the research was. Your review was fairly comprehensive and mentioning confounders was important. You only alluded briefly to treadmill desks. I'm guessing there little to no research on that. Great job
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If all informative videos had this much research on then we would be in another planet by now. Seriously, thanks for the hard work you put on this.
I always considered the idea of the standing desk mostly as a way to improve posture and lower-back health. It may sound strange, but it's important that people actually learn how to stand properly. In our sedentary society, we have forgotten how. Many people who have been sitting at desks for years on end tend to have very weak abdominals and anterior pelvic tilt as a result. Studies have looked at tribespeople in the Amazon and noted how they stand, they effectively screw their feet into the ground slightly, tightening the buttocks, and switching on the abdominals. This levels the pelvis and locks down the lumbar spine. Having a bad back is almost unheard of, and similarly for countries where it is common practice to carry heavy loads on the head. Perfect postural alignment is necessary for this, and the whole core is maintained balanced and strong. There are a number of youtube videos worth watching regarding posture, with simple tips on how to sit and stand properly to prevent issues.
Weak adominals and interior pelvic tilt is basically me right now, that and injuring my back at work didn't exactly help. I'm doing my best to try and walk/cyle at least 3 or 4 times a week.I wish I didn't have to deal with back pain, but it is what it is. On a positive a note me injury myself did peak my interest in healthcare/medicine.
@@AlphaDal-if9vv - Try some calisthenics, its the best all-round body balancing approach. The hollow-body position is fundamental to many calisthenics exercises, this will strengthen your core and fix your anterior pelvic tilt. Cycling is obviously an excellent exercise, but unfortunately, it keeps you in a similar bent-over position as does slumping in a chair. Swimming would likely be better for you. Check youtube for other anterior pelvic tilt fixes too. Good luck
@@bethqmount1160 -Ooh yes, that's a good addition Elizabeth! I had weak gluteus medius that caused me problems when running. Some lateral hip exercises really helped. :)
@@previouslyachimp Sorry might be a bit of misinformation on my part (stupid me) I thought what I had was an interior pelvic tilt. All I know is when my back pain gets real bad I lean to one side and I can't stand straight. Thanks for the info though. Haha.
Solution: Reduce the work week to 5 hours per day, 4 days per week. The evidence that we are only productive for that amount of time is overwhelming. The M-F/9-5 work week is merely a cultural norm and has no relation to how we actually get things done. It is not only killing us, it isn't making us any more productive (busy is not productive). With that extra time we will be able to improve our lives, be more active and relaxed. And for you about to scream about money; just increase the salary per hour. This can be done, 2 generations ago, a M-Sat/8-7 work week was the norm; but through workers' uniting and fighting for life over work, the work week was reduced to what we have today...it is time to continue that fight.
I'm self employed and I have a lot of plans for my activitie. I just can't imagine working only 5h a day. I can't find time to do everything I want to do working 10h to 14h a day. Working 5h a day I would still be on the beginning and no where near what I've already achieved
@Nick Smith if you are unhappy, change your profession, I can't imagine only working 8hr, I am productive 12-14h and I want to work these hours, what right do you have on turning down how much I can work you bunch of lazy assholes... In 4-5h work society we'd have double the workers, high paying jobs working how many hours it needs, and any arguments you have against 5h work can be stretched against 8h or 12h or anything that doesn't include also the 6h minimum to sleep
@@AntonioRockGP you are working non stop for 14h a day? Do you think this is in any way a health way of living? I doubt that you have 10h of work non stop every day And I doubt that you'd have high paying jobs for anyone who worked 10+h for you like yours probably is
If I were to move or take any kind of pause following the 20 min rule I would barely get anything done. Deep focus is hard to achieve these days with all the bs out there, so if you can stay focused for at least an hour just be happy with that imo and disregard the 20 min rule. Just make sure you exercise regularly and you'll be fine on the long run.
I am a fit and trim person. When I compare standing and sitting for the same duration (eg. 2 hours) I definitely have less stiffness / soreness and no back pain from standing. I have converted my home office to a flexible configuration that is biased towards standing, but allows me to sit as well when I feel like it. So much better now. I’ll take your tips on board, but I can’t see myself willingly going back to a sitting-only arrangement.
Thank you for making this video. I'm 77 years old and have gone from being an active equestrian to a sitting blogger in the past few years. I sit way too many hours every day. I've added silver sneakers (old guys) gym workouts, but three a week isn't enough. I was about to buy a standup desk, however your video has convinced me that isn't necessary. I am planning on a routine of three minutes of exercise following twenty minutes of sitting at my computer desk. You just saved me $250.00.
Thanks! At first my standing desk absolutely changed my life for the better. I had much less low back pain, more energy, and a better mood at work. I also started standing most of the time at home as well as work. Unfortunately after a year I started to get a lot of pain at the back of my knees. I am hyper mobile and also a yoga teacher so I am stretching a lot. I realized when I stand my legs are hyperextended, and I seemed to have pulled the muscles around the back of my knees. This has been slow to heal. I really miss my standing desk and wished I had of mixed sitting/standing more all year before this problem became severe. I hope to go back to a standing desk but will definitely take more sitting breaks in the future.
My main reason for going for standing desks is for better back health / posture. It does help a lot with my back and neck issues. It does allow me to pace around and move easier, but yeah i would agree that a standing desk alone is not enough to replace getting actual exercise.
Love the video and look forward to watching the follow-up. This has been sitting in my queue for a while and I'm glad I finally got to it. I had a thought while watching the video: "Ride a bike to work or the store... get run over. Take public transportation... never get to work or to the store because it doesn't go there or go past my neighborhoood much less my house." I learned in an urban planning course that this is the experience of most US Citizens because of the way we have planned our cities... no... not the major cities, I'm talking about the suburbs outside of the top 25 largest metropolitan statistical areas. We have unwittingly designed designed most towns and cities to work against having a healthy lifestyle. There is also a strong correlation between people who are obese or who have unhealthy lifestyles, and the designed-to-live-an-unhealthy-lifestyle towns/cities. This drives up healthcare demand and healthcare costs. And it drives up healthcare demand and costs in the least wealthy parts of the country. The conclusion I came to was that we have quite literally created what is called a self-perpetuating dooming cycle. Me personally, I'm working to change that. There is a societal factor here that needs to be addressed. I hope this will help others see it clearly. For me, I had this "sense" that there was something there, some invisible hand I was fighting against, but I didn't have a way to see it in order to define it. It wasn't a conspiracy. It wasn't any one person or company or anything. It was a chain of decisions and technological inventions with unintentional consequences that couldn't be seen.
I greatly appreciate that the approach to the topic is more in line with the spirit of the scientific method, rather than giving a quick and easy answers as many other videos tend to give. Sometimes the right attitude and mindset is more important than clear cut answers - especially in science. A maybe or dunno might be annoying, but it's better than a clear cut yes/no answer that might be wrong. And I appreciate that rather than offering just a shrug at the end, you offer options that do help with improving health. * subscribes * 💜💛💚💗 science 💗💚💛💜
My favorite of the actionable tips is that motivation won’t last but a system will last. So many people wait for motivation, stay responsible for a week, and then fall off the wagon and wonder why. Systems control for the influence of fluctuating motivation!
Motivation is dependent on the person. I started going to the gym 14 months ago, every week i've been between 4-6 times a week. Prior to that, i've never been in the gym before. Yet how many people start going to the gym in January and how many quit within 6 months. My motivation is different to theirs.
I work from home, and have dogs. They demand that I let them in and out occasionally, and I now go for a run with them at least once during my work time. There's a system for you. One that squeeks and barks at you to remind you to move.
Txs, about what I expected. We actually don't know "for sure" about much of anything as it pertains to an individual. So as the doc says, experiment and try different things. For me, I'll keep using my standing desk, riding my bike and walking my dog. Keep active!
I love my standing desk - I always stand for conference/video calls, I find I am a lot more energetic and alert when stood up. Additionally I have a chair and a stool and vary the positions depending on what I am doing. I think desk bikes are the way to go rather than treadmill desks.
This video is very well done! I have used both standing desks and sitting desks for months at a time, and I have found that vigorous overall activity makes a much greater difference in my energy level, attitude, and well-being than what desk I use. So I make sure to do frequent and vigorous yard work, bike riding, and walking/hiking to offset my relatively sedentary desk time.
Me: Gets a standing desk so I can work in a manner more beneficial to my body. Also me: Goes and eats a double cheeseburger with fries and a Coke during lunch break.
ya'll remember when humans didn't have this problem because we regularly ran for our lives from vicious beasts in the bush? Pepperidge farms remembers....
@@BossRedRanger The average life expectancy would have been similar to what it is now if we remove infant and childhood ( before 5 years old) from the average.
Definitely more clear. As a software engineer, I am the holy definition of a sedentary lifestyle and I myself use the "Pomodoro Technique" for the frequent reminders to get up and walk around the house. IMO, it's the perfect balance of walking 🚶 & sitting on my chair, that works the best for me or anybody worried about the back pain and other issues. Thanks a lot, Doc. ✌️
WoW, this video is really grate on the scientific method point: searching for studies and concluding: "hey we don’t have enough data by we need to make a decision". I loved it
That’s actually good advice. You stay hydrated and you stand up frequently! “Your bathroom breaks are eating into work time!” Fine, stop the smokers from going out, and I’ll stop hydrating myself.
I listened to an interview with a guy who crossed the Antarctic on foot. He couldn't sleep more than 3 hours at a time without risking to freeze to death. So he drank a lot of water before going to sleep. That would wake him up at regular intervals.
I work in IT, so I would LOVE a standing desk whenever I'm on those really long conference calls. They are among those situations where you can't really leave your desk so easily so standing desks would at least give me the option to pace up and down...
First time seeing your videos. I love how you don't go for easy answers, actually read the papers. Too often poorly executed experiments or inconclusive papers are used to argument by authority. [edit: subscribed.]
I've been using a standing desk for the past 2 years. Now the only time I use it in standing mode is to battle my post lunch crash. It works like magic. For the most part of the day I'm sitting as it increases my productivity way more than standing.
I've used an electric standing desk and I think they're great - it's an investment but it makes the day much better - stand for a while, lower the desk and sit for a while. And, you can get a stool and sit with your weight mostly on your feet - which is like sitting on an exercise ball, very good for your posture. It's always going to be about moving, but if you can sit with your back straight it actually makes a huge difference to the impact of your time sitting.
I work as a supermarket cashier. Recently our desk was modernized and the chair removed. Standing for several ours makes my feet’s hurt badly. Even young workers are complaining. I have no overweight, healthy, no medication, strong and in good condition. Standing for several hours would kill your feet. It is one of the means of repression and torture by the ruling class.
I'm using a walkingpad so I walk 2-8 km per day while doing my work. I do that for almost 2 weeks now and can really recommend. It makes me feel way better.
When I waited tables I was on my feet way more than with my standing desk. I didn't feel any pain in my feet or legs or anything. The key is to stay moving. Great video.
When I worked in a super market warehouse as a teen i was always moving, carrying stuff or moving pallets,, my feet always hurt like hell. I think it depends on the person how easily the feet begin to hurt. Maybe your big clown feet dissipate the weight more equally than my little feet
I made myself a standing desk at a job I had several years ago. I found when I was standing, I was more likely to move away from the desk to do something; in other words, get a bit more exercise. Conversely, though, I found that it reduced my ability to concentrate and get hard work done. So I ended up buying a bar stool and I would sit when I needed to concentrate (or just when I got tired in the afternoons) and stand the rest of the time. I was constantly moving between the two because the benefit of the bar stool was that it wasn't comfortable enough to induce me to sit on it for a long time. Having it cleared up a hip/sciatic nerve problem that I was having.
I had a similar problem, standing I found it harder to focus. My job is engineering, so I worked out that whenever I was doing non-intensive thinking tasks, emails, powerpoints, easy projects, I could stand. But for stuff that started to push my thinking, I would just sit. Worked out perfectly, especially since standing helped me avoid the drowsy afternoon feeling.
First day I bought a standing desk and it feels great. More of the half of the time I used in the standing position. So I think you should listen to your body and work the way it feels better
the problem is doing so for 45 mins straight instead of like 15-20. in uni the classes are 90 mins without breaks, I was thinking about standing up now and then but then it would have been too weird so I didn't x/
Honestly, after graduating, I really miss those 45-90 minute classes, in between which you walk varying distances carrying weighted storage bags across fields and through stairwells. As opposed to a desk job, where you get to leave sooner if you don't move from your chair all day. A day, I might add, which is longer than the average school day, and has fewer opportunities for socialization. School was way more ADHD and I loved it.
70ME3E I’m going back to uni at the end of this month for a postgrad. I think I’ll be standing at the back for some lectures. I’ve been standing in work too long to go back to sitting for hours.
you should have a stand/sit ratio of 1:1 basically, if you're working for 8 hours 4 hours of standing 4 hours of sitting, if you're getting tired of standing just do 1 hour of each. I can definitely attest that standing has really helped with lower back pain
Good advise. I do the same. Work standing up, move around, listen to music and dance. Also I take short brakes to exercise. This works for me and I am productive and don’t have back problems.
recently got a standing desktop and what works best for me is sitting and standing in intervals. and every 30-40 mins i walk throughout the office (drink a lot of water and you need to get up more often...). i noticed i need something that helps me move while standing, so i'm looking into getting a balance board or an under desk stair stepper. also recently brought light weights to work to do a little toning. it's also key to make these changes gradually and not overdo anything. i read somewhere that having a treadmill desk was healthiest option, but who wants to sweat at work?!
who said you have to walk fast enough to break a sweat? Just start out super slow, and ramp yourself up. Eventually even a brisk pace won't make you sweat as your body adjusts. Just keep in mind that outside of work, at your gym routine you will need to further increase your workouts to compensate.
Standing desk is for my spine a lifesaver. But not by standing but by allowing me to change position during the work. I can sit on my big a** but also I can lift the desk and stand. It's outstanding and does the job for me but the best days are ones that I can, do after my IT work, work physically (in my locksmith workshop - my hobby) Then my spine smiles. Unfortunately, I do not have many opportunities to exercise and I have to choose between hobbies and exercises - the happy fact is that my hobby requires a lot of movement and lifting so it's for me a kind of exercise. Your film is putting much light on this. Thank you.
I agree with the suggestions and I would add that in my experience standing desk is the best option to remind me to take a break and move or even just sit, more often as my legs will get tired quicker than my eyes. While, if I sit, I won't get to the point where I feel the urge to move so often.
I love how all the ads I am getting now are standing desk ads. And all of my recommended videos are on standing desks. You do a few standing desk Google searches and look at a few websites and TH-cam tries to make it your life.
My answer is we all work in a VR space with intermittent zombie attacks. Doing our desk work until sirens start going off then we have to run around killing zombies for 15-30m while fortifying our desk area. There needs to be more research into workplace zombie attacks in my opinion.
*AR. VR would run the risk of running into people, or walls, or desks, or.... anything. For reference, AR (augmented reality) uses your surroundings and inserts things (zombies, Mario, etc) into those surroundings that you can usually interact with in some form. VR generally doesn't use your surroundings, it's basically just having a game or app be your entire field of vision. [also as a programmer I 100% support the idea of occasional office zombie invasions]
@@thatboringone7851 we can be friends. I put VR because I assumed no one is paying attention to the awesomeness of the AR industry yet. Just a side note: I would like my emails to be sent by AR owls. That would also increase my work efficiency.
@@SimonWoodburyForget I'm not talking about what's possible mechanically, I'm talking about terminology. Displaying your actual, existing surroundings and altering them in some way is augmented reality, AR. For example, last year I was given a trial of a game that uses a camera with a VR headset. You see the space around you that actually exists, and virtual bugs that pop out cracks in any detected walls, floors or ceilings. That's defined as AR because the game augmented reality, rather than creating an entirely virtual space.
@@SimonWoodburyForget I'm not implying that you can only do one at a time, or that they're somehow not closely related, that's just how they're defined. VR can absolutely incorporate AR and vice versa, but AR is still specifically augmented reality and VR is still virtual reality. I really don't see why this is an issue for you. They have specific definitions to help describe what function they serve, just as horror and comedy describe the specifics of a genre and can still be used together.
Use a sitting/standing desk, ie adjustable height desk, and sit or stand as desired. I get backache with too much standing or sitting. Changing posture does helps the backache. Regular moving around helps this too.
I use a standing desk. Standing still for too long bothers my knees so it forces me to start moving around. Also, standing has improved my posture and alleviated my mid-back pain. You are more likely two get moving if you are already standing.
We made a new updated video on standing vs sitting vs bicycle vs treadmill desks on my other channel! Check it out here: th-cam.com/video/Kf00aEDmDf4/w-d-xo.html
Generic use of "Standing" on the study you referenced.
(Office work vs Other professions was compared... Of course, the output will be vastly different. It's a different Environment therefore different study)
Glad you made a new/revised/updated version
the standing position causes the blood to stagnate in the lower part of the body causing problems with the blood capillaries, the danger of heart disease and the onset of hemorrhoids, even the bonds and joints are damaged.
What about sitting on balance ball alternating standing?
@@jamesedwards1588 🤔
Sources?
This is why I purchased a desk that automatically walks away after 20 minutes.
Stop using your kids as desks!
Based on the information in the video, this should actually work quite well. Maybe, with improved robotics, someone might build this, 10 or 20 years from now.
lol
You mean the dog
Hahahaha 🤣
Conclusion: Don't sit down and don't stand up. Swimming desks for everyone.
How about lying desk?
Compound weight lifting movement desks. You ever sent a dead lift email before? The health benefits are amazing.
Sleeping desk are best
I swear by freefall desks.
Yeah, ideally
Where are the bed desks?
🤣🤣Say goodbye to productivity.
You can do productive tasks on a bed, like writing. I write this comment on a bed, as well as watching all my TH-cam videos.
Lying on the bed surfing the web is actually better than sitting in front of a PC. I do that for hours a day and have no issues with my back or spine. I had issues however, when I still used a chair and desk with my PC, my explanation is that you're distributing the weight equally when lying down instead of forcing gravity on your ass alone and having your spine in an unnatural position. Also if you want to lose weight: Eat less, especially sugar, standing won't help you at all, I have a standing desk at work for 7 years now, no sitting for 8-10 hours a day at work. -And I gained 40 pounds since I started that work there. I lost 50 pounds the last 7 months however and am in better shape than 7 years ago by cutting sugar from my diet and eating at most twice a day, not really counting calories but when I do I recognize that I don't eat like a pig anymore.
they exist, but the problem is the blood runs out of your arms. the best position is in a recliner, with standing desk / wheels that rolls over it
VR's getting there
Motorized standing desk and alternate every 60-90min sitting/standing provides best health benefits.
Personal note: I change position when I change tasks and tend to block together creative + deep thinking tasks while sitting, and planning + communicating (emails, phone calls) while standing.
Works like magic 😀
Totally agree! For me standing is a shot of energy, so when I am feeling tired I put my headphones with my favorite music.
Also works for meetings where I have to motivate others
This is teh Way
How can i bookmark this comment.
Power overwhelming
Motorised? Why? There's no need. There are chairs that have adjustable height. It's the same technology. 2 pistons for the desk and you're fine.
My mom's a pharmacist and works standing all day, and she has massive blood circulation issues. The best thing is to alternate! Not standing too much, not sitting too much.
Same, also a lot of problems with her spine with herniated disks and major pain. Movement is the GOAT
If I sit, I can work 5 hours comfortably. If I stand, I can work 5 hours comfortably. If I alternate when my body tells me to: I can work 10 hours comfortably.
5 hours 🤣 ... try 65 hours in a chair per week .
I agree and I think that their struggle actually gives them an advantage in terms of life expectancy as well as sleep quality. People in menial jobs last longer as opposed to someone who lives an immobile lifestyle. Curious to hear thoughts on this!
...If I quit my job i won't have to work at all :-D
I work over 40hrs a week while standing, dancing to salsa, doing calves raises, and simply staying active!
@ hey dumbass he never said a week if he works 10 hours a day he works 70 hours a week so stop complaining about you're job and appreciate that you have one bitch
Sit for awhile....stand for awhile...move around for awhile...repeat.
I do this and I haven't died yet.
This. I have an electronic desk and I can change the height to stand or sit whenever I feel like it. It's expensive but the "best" solution in my opninion.
@@r1pfake521 a cheaper option would be a stool that puts you at the same height as when you're standing. Bonus points if the seat is rigid, rarher than padded, as you'll be more likely to get out of it more frequently.
Also if you do have to sit for prolong period of time, I suggest leaning forward. It had helped me with my lower back pain (I accidentally fell on my tailbone from doing pullups once)
Stop internet shopping that solve problem right away.
"If you're more healthy, you're less likely to die."
You don't say.
Likelyness of death remains at "no living's immortal"
Big Bob or wealthy
Or immortal
Or a cockroach
What about the army?
If you're more healthy you're not less likely to die, you are just less likely to have diseases and'll probably live longer. That sentence is poorly written
If you are alive, you increase your likelihood of dying.
Step 3 is key. I now ride my bike up the stairs to my home office and I've never felt more alive.
Hahahah!
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Riding a bike up and down stairs is very hard and requires a lot of coordination. It's indeed a very healthy exercise!
It's the adrenaline rush of feeling you might die if you're not careful, that reminds you to appreciate being alive
Does being in a state of being old longer makes life better. I’m a very sporty very active person and I’m afraid when I’ll be more and more stiff and less sporty for decades.
Actionable advice:
7:00 1. Stay hydrated
7:30 2. Adjust your system to facilitate physical activity
8:06 3. Experiment for yourself
I supplement #1 by also staying caffeinated.
Oh I like to experiment on myself alright
Drinking more water helps me go to the bathroom more often. Thereby, making me get up and away from my desk. Small steps lead to bigger leaps.
zheahra Lol that makes sense but me being an idiot would just hold it in till I’m done with what I’m doing
@@pengusketch You shouldn't hold it in.. it will cause problems later on
@@pengusketch if you drink enough, you won't be able do hold it in for long though
That's stupid
Just set a reminder every 20 minutes
I go on all fours
"On the Internet, no one knows your'e a dog."
Exactly. What few people mention is that backs were never designed for standing. Backs were designed so that the lower half was supported by the back legs and the upper half was supported by the front legs. When we stood upright be we doubled the pressure on the lower back.
Bet you do!! ;)
Going back to your roots, I can respect that.
65+% of studies published in scientific journals are never replicated. Small sample sizes, p-hacking, agenda’d hypotheses, and dodgy funding all contribute to this. “A new study says” is the most over-respected statement in modern times.
Yes, but it's probably better than people declaring things because they feel like it must be right. You know, what I do on TH-cam every day.
Did you get this information from a new study?
@@NickRoman The answer is meta-studies.
Each study can contribute, but is not necessarily meaningful on its own.
Seemingly spectacular results are more likely to be published. Attempts to reproduce them less so, especially when they fail to. So: A paper on a single study can be food for thought, and a good starting point for further study, but unless you (or others) can confirm the findings, it is meaningless.
@@NickRoman Not really. Traditional media - tv, magazines, journals, etc, including scientific ones; are all one way, and only allow those in power/influence to have a voice. TH-cam is 2 way - you have like and dislike buttons, and you can make replies; and most pertinently it allows anyone to have a voice. That comes with the downside that any idiot has a voice, but the plus side is that we are no longer sheep to sources of information we have little control over. At least with youtube you can make your mind up who are the idiots and who is talking sense. Which vidoes to believe and which ones are don't seem right. Prior to youtube our only options were several different tv channels or newspapers, all of which talked complete b******s most of the time.
With traditional newspapers and tv, they are just big business publishing the most dramatic stories they can find; with one sole intention: to make money. With no interest in the matter in hand, or sometimes a dangeroulsy biased political view.
With youtube, individuals who have a genuine passion for a subject can publish detailed articles about things they understand in great depth and have a passion for.
With tv, you never got information directly from the experts, from those in the know. Any interviews with experts were pressured by the tv/newspaper companies to say certain things, and then what they said was edited to twist their meanings, and you often got a very short and summarised version which can easily be misleading and misinterpreted. Whereas now you can get information directly from people who do that job or have had a particular experience or are well versed in a specific subject without the pressure, twisting, and distortion from the media.
I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's a thousand times better than the old days of relying on the twisted drama and lies from the huge media moguls.
Science once said the earth was flat and that the atom can't be split. Use common sense
I don't think many people are considering standing permanently at their desk. The idea behind desk raisers is to, every 20-40 minutes of sitting, do 2-15 minutes of standing. Also, no one stands perfectly still. This video makes it sound like you have to choose between 2 extremes.
Some people talk about standing for 5 hours. They sound mental to me, even shifting weight beetwen legs 1 hour is a lot for me.
Many employers are this way. They demand either extreme and act like you hit someone if you go sit down, even if your still working.
I've been using a treadmill desk for months now. It takes a few weeks to get used to but once you do you don't even notice you're walking while working anymore. I absolutely love it! I've lost 15 pounds without even trying and I'm in the best shape I've been in in years.
What does a treadmill desk look like???
@@MariaGloriaAdan standing desk + walking pad / mini treadmill. Imagine a treadmill with no handle, just the walking part. It's usually shorter in length, closer to a square shape.
Wait this is big brain.
Can't tell if this satire or not but that sounds amazing
how can you focus while moving constantly?
Anything: *exists*
'oh no thats unhealthy for you'
@Jake L well... They're not wrong
Well, of course. There is no such thing as 'healthy'. With a 'healthy' lifestyle you just try to avoid negative input that may worsen the constitution of your body. Well, up until the age of 25 your body actually improves, builds up an immune system, muscles and develops cognitive functions. But as soon as you continue aging and step over that 25-year-mark your body constantly naturaly deteriorate and all you can do is trying to slow down the process. Have a great day.
Just a short analogy: There is no 'cold'. There is just an abscence of 'warmth'. Think about it.
@Jake L Leads to death. Buy our death-free new product.
100% of the people who lived, died. Who would've thought?
No, but seriously, every coin has two sides, every sword has two edges, etc. The are upsides and downsides to everything, our task is to choose what's best for us, what sacrifices are we willing to give to have a better life. Some people benefit from a sedentary lifestyle, while the rest don't.
@@oldskoolgamer2012 Not every sword has two edges. Most types of sword don't actually.
I got a stand-up desk about a month ago. It's helped SO MUCH. My legs were aching from sitting so much. I'm working up to 4 hours a day - 4 up / 4 down! BUT, not four hours straight. I stand for 30-45 min at a time.
I have got butt pain for sitting too long now i think i will have to buy stand up desk soon
3 months and my butt still hurt when i sit... my life have become too difficult now 😔😔 painful days
@@disha4613 same here with lower back pain 🥺 from 3-4 days
@@disha4613 (just noticed it is an old thread - I hope you have already solved it) try changing your chair. I have a great chair that can be fine-tuned to my height and proportions BUT it is so old it literally becomes a pain in the ass if I sit on it while I work/study/play. The pain went away when I switched to a simple wooden chair, that is not so soft. It also lacks armrests and adjustments, but it helped me till I bought a new comfortable adjustable chair (which still is not perfect for my 195 cm, but will do).
You will find many office chair reviews suggesting that there are issues with office and executive chairs that are less than $500, so while sitting all the time is bad, it shouldn't be extremely painful.
Gaming chairs are famously "not ergonomic", but i used my cushy ~$300 one for remote work as a call center rep for months without issue after hating how much my ~$100 "executive" chair made my butt hurt after just 3 months of the same extended use.
After nearly 2 years of use of that gaming chair with its head cushion adjusted parallel to my neck so my head rests on its top and its back cushion positioned to provide some lumbar support, it's still working great for me.
It might not be the best chair for the job, but it works for me.
At the very least, it's working for much longer than my previous chair, so you really do get what you pay for.
In other words, the most healthy option is to not have a desk.
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@julio1c1saga r/wooosh
Switch job, be a lumberjack or something. That will be you healthy in no time.
The most healthy option is to not have to work.
Why aren't there laptop-bikes already?
I’ve been using a standing desk for about 7 years. The lessons I’ve learned:
Neither position is great for a long time; consequently, you need to shift every hour or so. Sometimes, if my feet are sore, I’ll only stand for 20 mins, and then sit back down for a half hour to an hour.
Good footwear is a non-negotiable.
I keep an actual hourglass on my desk that I will flip sometimes, to remind me to switch positions.
Standing, for certain tasks, can be EXCELLENT and result in more productivity.
I have to sway my body, dance, or hold different poses when standing, so I don’t become stiff.
Standing desks are a god-send if you have back and arm pain. The naturally erect position can help A LOT, not to mention the fact that you can dial in the perfect height to get your arms at the perfect angle to type.
Having a good chair is important too. I actually alternate between two chairs when I’m sitting: one is a regular chair with a back for when I’m tired, but another is a balance ball that’s on a wheel base. This is my primary chair and I love the thing dearly. It engages my core and keeps me upright, and my motions fluid when I am sitting. It is not the same as being slumped in a chair.
Last lesson: the expensive motorized desks are ABSOLUTELY worth the $$ if you can afford it. I started out with a hand-cranked model, and I was much less inclined to switch positions because of the effort it took. 5 years ago I switched to a fancy L desk that cost over $1,000. It was WORTH EVERY PENNY. It is SO easy to switch positions, so I’m much more likely to do it. It’s also great having a whole desk/table top that goes up and down, rather than just a small table-top unit. I had one of those for 2 years and it was very restricting because I had no space except for my keyboard and mouse.
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NB: you can over do it with the standing. A friend of mine got her first standing desk this year, and loved it so much she NEVER sat down for weeks. Then she developed plantar fasciitis 😵💫.
All things in moderation.
I think that alternation is key, and so are active breaks to move around and leave the desk. A a student, I would recommend to alternate every hour between sitting and standing. Nice video!
This is what works for me. I am a software engineer so I use computer a lot on a daily basis.
Every 20 minutes I'm sitted, I stand up to get some stretching. Then, I stare at some point, anything, that is at least 5 meters away, so I can give my eyes a rest. This has helped me to avoid eyestrain related headaches. This little break takes just 2 minutes, then I sit down and continue my work for the next 20 minutes.
Also, every 2 hours, I stand up and walk around for at least 15 minutes. I don't care where, just to get some fresh air and get a walk.
I use a multitimer application for this, and it has worked like a charm. No need for an standing desk, at all. Also, you need to know how to properly sit and avoid slouching, that your chair is ergonomic and in good condition, etc.
@orwor nah pomodoro has 25 mins and 5 mins break but as a student pomodoro will work best for me .......i would not take a bottle drink water every 25 mins and do some streaching (im here after back and shoulder pain :(( )
Can't wait for the treadmill desk.
Already exist
@@jonyclintonxD Linus Trovald use to use it
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@@nix99problems and linus sebastian?
My university has a few of them already
My company switched to height-adjustable desks earlier this year. While I can say that my posture has improved and my back no longer aches as often, I have noticed a decrease in my productivity. Being huddled up near my monitors while sitting allows me to get lost in my work and tackle large projects quickly, whereas I often get distracted or can’t think as deeply when I’m standing. Does anyone else experience this?
Same here I am less productive and less focused on my studies while on a standing dest
Same
I mean its height adjustable so you can sit or stand either way. Unless your company tells you when to sit and when to stand
I thought it was just me. About the only thing I can do standing is answer email. For the stuff that requires attention to detail or deep thought, I need to sit down.
i feel a literal strain on my brain when using a standing desk.
standing desk was one of the best investments for my health imo, it helped a lot with lower back pain, tight hips, and bad posture. It's also easier to move around every now & then when you're already standing anyway, feel like if you're sitting you'll be less likely to move. I still use a chair but just for less time and this is where I think a good ergonomic chair such as from herman miller or steelcase comes in because it will be easier maintain good posture while seated in those types of chairs.
Congrats, that is a really well made video. Not inducing us to superficial conclusions and giving us practical advice for our lives!
Hasn't it always been, remaining in any one position (standing or sitting) for extended periods of time is damaging? Which probably makes standing slightly better as you're more likely to shift position more frequently. I assume the best thing to do is move regularly and frequently.
Yes, but also notice how sitting puts pressure on major arteries and veins
Standing for long periods also puts a lot of pressure on your knees/feet though. I developed some chronic foot muscle inflammation after working as a cashier and standing in one spot for 4 hours straight between breaks.
@@KyokujiFGC Weird no one has mentioned this. Standing still for extended timeperiods will wreak your knees. The problem isnt sitting. It's not moving for extended amounts of time.
@@wazzap500 not just your knees. Your lower back as well.
I had to stand for a couple hours a few years ago, when my lower back was already bad, but not as bad as it is now, it was a one-time occasion for work purposes. At the end I had to start squatting in the arrivals hall of the airport I was meeting someone at because I literally couldn't stand.
There's a reason why "motion is lotion" at least for our joints haha
I love people who accentuate the difference between causation and correlation, because most youtube channels completely disregard it out of convenience.
That' a sub from me!
Surprised that there's no mention of the increased risk of varicose veins & osteoarthritis with prolonged standing
Is that true
@@fateeblue4270
Yes, also blood clots in the feet and legs.
At about 6:05, he mentions a study that "Prolonged standing resulted in measurable increases in arterial stiffness." Is that related to Varicose Veins?
Roll around on the floor now and then to fix it ;)
Abdo Abosaif they're trying to hide the truth, that's why!
This is my view on the topic as someone who suffers from ciatic pain.
Quick intro: I am 21 years old, in great shape, I do martial arts, exercise and have good stretching capabilities. However, from working and studying seated, I ended up hurting my lower back.
As the video says, changing positions is the key to success. I found out that for me, the best is to alternate positions, hang from a pull up bar from time to time, sit on a deep squat position and walk.
Also, strengthening the lower back and core is incredibly important, as well as stretching. However, do not do these excessively because you can end up injuring yourself, just like it happens with exercise. Take these exercises of strengthening and stretching as a daily activity and you will see great progress.
I'm on my 3rd year of working from home and sitting for hours had become an issue for me. I gained weight, my hips started to hurt really bad and though I was productive with my work, afterward I just felt lazy from sitting all day. I decided to get resistance bands and whenever I had a moment I'd just get up, work out for about 15 minutes and sit back down. I did whatever I could to just move around, even if it were for just 15-20 minutes every so often. ... It worked! I felt better, healthier, stronger and it wasn't because of working out for hours at a gym. It was a constant balance of working and moving throughout the day that helped me get back in shape. Doesn't have to be a full workout session. Just a little every other hour will do wonders.
My way is the best. Have a sitting desk, spin in your chair often and stand up and walk around when you get the chance.
Spinning is the best part! 😆
gettin up and yelling out your window at leaf blowers, delivery guys, and stupid kids, also works. It's very energizing.
@@missunique65 Oh GOSSSHHHH!!! 2- funny LOL 😆😂
Pomodoro technique is the best of all worlds, implement that and you're good to go, use the breaks to move around
Me too. I go for a walk so many times that I believe no one can tell for certain in which department I work in, I don't know how I still receive a pay check, must be a Milton moment. Standing desks is trading back pain for legs, knees and feet pain and I need those for walking between departments.
When I was in grade 9, I went for a parent-teacher meeting with my mom and I was shaking my leg as I commonly do. My mom told me to stop and my teacher told her that it's actually great that I do that, that encouraging movement, no matter how small is healthy. I took that to heart and will never forget that. I have ADHD so I tend to move around constantly while I'm sitting, and I am happy that I do! Now to get myself to be consistent with actual exercise, that would be great.
I have adhd and always wondered why it's "rude" to shake legs while sitting down. I fidget so much while standing people think I want to go piss. mind feels more at ease moving, as humans are supposed to
@@0zone247 Yes it really is so hard to concentrate when you're forcing yourself to be still. I guess it's distracting for other people but not moving requires so much effort
@@0zone247 It is not rude, it is just other people want to control you, because they feel distracted, low morale people. That is bad parenting if your parent tells you to stop moving, he should ask, why you are moving, and try to understand you.
Loved this video, thank you! I alternate sitting and standing every hour and when I stand up I make sure to move around
For over 6 years now I have been using a non adjustable standing desk. If I really need to sit while working I could pull up a stool. At first I did that, and it was always tempted to use the stool... It was a distraction. So I got rid of the stool altogether and couldn't be happier. With no choice but to stand you stop thinking about it after a couple days. Every hour or two I may take a break on the couch for a few mins. Plus sit for lunch. I take breaks for my head and mind, not necessarily from being tired from standing. I find this has been great for me so far. I find when I stand I rarely stand perfectly still... I do sway, stretch, fidget my legs as I work at the desk. My standing muscles are jacked!!
Tweak in the age of COVID and working from home: A longish training video is a perfect time to be riding an exercise bike while watching. Keep it gentle - it keeps you more awake/alert, it's movement, and it feels kinda good. I don't recommend it for meetings though - I think that'd look weird. I also retain more than just taking notes.
The best is getting an electric standing desk so you can switch between sitting and standing regularly. That has the best effect both physically and mentally. Plus, when you're standing it's much easier to stretch and move around.
The Goldilocks Zone direction you took with this issue also had me thinking about occupations where you have to be standing for hours on end. Specifically entry-level jobs like retail/fast food/factory/line-work/etc. since it's often STRONGLY discouraged by employers and even customers to take breaks and sit down every so often. Especially in regard to jobs that require you to be in one place for most/all of your shift - like cashiers. And I hear stories of folks who have worked for years in these positions, later have marked orthopedic problems with knees/feet/etc. due to not moving enough = locking up.
Regular movement sounds to be the most reasonable and healthy approach.
Over here in Germany most cashiers are free to stand or sit at their own leisure.
My experience was that moving around made no difference to the harm caused by standing for long periods.
I'm not convinced that we evolved to stand for long periods. Traditional cultures don't stand all day - they are usually walking or squatting or lying down.
My intuition is that the most practical answer for most is to move every 20-30 minutes. This fits in well with the Pomodoro approach to productivity, where you work in targeted bursts with breaks every half hour. It also fits well with Pavel's Greasing the Groove approach to training, where you do regular bursts of a selection of exercises throughout the day to about 50% of your max reps. I set up basic equipment like kettlebells, resistance bands and a pullup bar by my desk, and every 30 minutes I'll do a set of one or two movements, or take a quick walk, or do a stretch or two.
My gut feel is that this regime would be at least as good as a standing desk. Treadmill desks may offer something more, but are expensive and take up a lot of space - they simply won't be viable for most, including myself.
I'd be surprised if the episodic movement regime outlined above was significantly less effective than using a fancy desk, and it's certainly more practical for most. In the absence of any strong evidence for a standing desk, I don't plan to change.
Where I work they've hooked up our treadmills to generators. If we don't produce enough electricity during the week, it comes out of our paychecks. And if we spill more than three ounces of our nitroglycerine per week, we're docked for that, too. Sometimes we have to juggle more than three jars of the stuff at a time, so it can get pretty hairy. But the pay is good.....
@Guybrush Threepwood A recently retired friend has just had surgery for very unsightly varicose veins. One of the most common causes is standing for long periods. He spent his whole life in standing up jobs where he didn't move much. As humans, we need to change our position regularly. I'm pretty confident that standing stationary for too long is just as unnatural and destructive as sitting for too long. With either, we need to move every 20 - 30 minutes.
@Guybrush Threepwood Agreed. You often see it claimed that even small amounts of sitting will destroy the benefits of your exercise, and that you can't out-train sitting. There's something wrong with that line of argument. I used to be a decent athlete and trained with a guy who won European Gold and Olympic Silver in track and field. When he wasn't training he was resting and would sit for long periods. But the stopwatch gave pretty compelling proof that all that sitting didn't destroy his training gains...
@Cosmonauteable No-one said that 25 minute work periods are carved in stone. If you're doing a high focus task and have good concentration, there's nothing wrong with working in 40 minute bursts - though I'd argue that most people will lose concentration long before that. Anything longer than 40 minutes is too long - you'll simply end up with a wandering mind. And you won't be doing high-focus work all the time - even as, say, a programmer you're often doing admin, routine work etc. The principle is to work in targeted bursts and then move. For the actual timings, you can use some flexibility and common sense.
Absolutely right! It is the diet!!
0:17 that introduction was on lock with beat 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🤌🏾😪😪😪😪🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
07:20 - my trick for this is to have an empty glass on my desk. By having it on my desk, it is a reminder for me to drink, and when I want to drink it makes me walk to the tap, giving a ~20 second walking break regularly.
These studies are too simplistic. The number of variables between a stock trader and a construction worker are countless. On the job stress levels, stress that doesn't stop after work, likelihood of eating an expensive unhealthy restaurant lunch vs a brown bagged simple healthy lunch, odds of working a straight 40 hour week vs 50+ hour week, getting hours of real exercise doing your work vs not, etc, etc.
My guess is the factors above are far more important than simply standing vs sitting.
Yes he does address these factors in the video which is exactly why he mentioned these studies as not being helpful or simply useless. The alternatives he gave out are more realistic and can tailored more to each person's circumstances.
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@Keep Rocking! Damn Persian habits.
@Keep Rocking! Lol that was one hilarious auto-correct!
Exactly! We need human studies that control for much more variables. Time to finally start breeding lab humans.
God bless you, sir, for doing such a researched video. As a grad student in sociology research, nothing makes me happier than "they did not include control variables"
Right!
I'm so, so impressed by your video. I am finishing my PhD (*qualitative), but your quantitative data (simply put) was excellent--showing how strong or weak the research was. Your review was fairly comprehensive and mentioning confounders was important. You only alluded briefly to treadmill desks. I'm guessing there little to no research on that. Great job
If all informative videos had this much research on then we would be in another planet by now. Seriously, thanks for the hard work you put on this.
I always considered the idea of the standing desk mostly as a way to improve posture and lower-back health. It may sound strange, but it's important that people actually learn how to stand properly. In our sedentary society, we have forgotten how. Many people who have been sitting at desks for years on end tend to have very weak abdominals and anterior pelvic tilt as a result. Studies have looked at tribespeople in the Amazon and noted how they stand, they effectively screw their feet into the ground slightly, tightening the buttocks, and switching on the abdominals. This levels the pelvis and locks down the lumbar spine. Having a bad back is almost unheard of, and similarly for countries where it is common practice to carry heavy loads on the head. Perfect postural alignment is necessary for this, and the whole core is maintained balanced and strong. There are a number of youtube videos worth watching regarding posture, with simple tips on how to sit and stand properly to prevent issues.
Weak adominals and interior pelvic tilt is basically me right now, that and injuring my back at work didn't exactly help. I'm doing my best to try and walk/cyle at least 3 or 4 times a week.I wish I didn't have to deal with back pain, but it is what it is. On a positive a note me injury myself did peak my interest in healthcare/medicine.
@@AlphaDal-if9vv - Try some calisthenics, its the best all-round body balancing approach. The hollow-body position is fundamental to many calisthenics exercises, this will strengthen your core and fix your anterior pelvic tilt. Cycling is obviously an excellent exercise, but unfortunately, it keeps you in a similar bent-over position as does slumping in a chair. Swimming would likely be better for you. Check youtube for other anterior pelvic tilt fixes too. Good luck
previouslyachimp 😎
and add some lateral hip strength so you aren’t falling when you walk and this work could also improve your cycling form @alphadal
@@bethqmount1160 -Ooh yes, that's a good addition Elizabeth! I had weak gluteus medius that caused me problems when running. Some lateral hip exercises really helped. :)
@@previouslyachimp Sorry might be a bit of misinformation on my part (stupid me) I thought what I had was an interior pelvic tilt. All I know is when my back pain gets real bad I lean to one side and I can't stand straight. Thanks for the info though. Haha.
Solution: Reduce the work week to 5 hours per day, 4 days per week. The evidence that we are only productive for that amount of time is overwhelming. The M-F/9-5 work week is merely a cultural norm and has no relation to how we actually get things done. It is not only killing us, it isn't making us any more productive (busy is not productive). With that extra time we will be able to improve our lives, be more active and relaxed. And for you about to scream about money; just increase the salary per hour. This can be done, 2 generations ago, a M-Sat/8-7 work week was the norm; but through workers' uniting and fighting for life over work, the work week was reduced to what we have today...it is time to continue that fight.
Lol. I work 70h weeks average. I have big plans to fulfill.
Socialism gtfo
I'm self employed and I have a lot of plans for my activitie.
I just can't imagine working only 5h a day. I can't find time to do everything I want to do working 10h to 14h a day. Working 5h a day I would still be on the beginning and no where near what I've already achieved
@Nick Smith if you are unhappy, change your profession, I can't imagine only working 8hr, I am productive 12-14h and I want to work these hours, what right do you have on turning down how much I can work you bunch of lazy assholes...
In 4-5h work society we'd have double the workers, high paying jobs working how many hours it needs, and any arguments you have against 5h work can be stretched against 8h or 12h or anything that doesn't include also the 6h minimum to sleep
@@AntonioRockGP you are working non stop for 14h a day? Do you think this is in any way a health way of living?
I doubt that you have 10h of work non stop every day
And I doubt that you'd have high paying jobs for anyone who worked 10+h for you like yours probably is
I have waited for this video since I saw you studying for Step 3 while standing. Thank you ❤️
If I were to move or take any kind of pause following the 20 min rule I would barely get anything done. Deep focus is hard to achieve these days with all the bs out there, so if you can stay focused for at least an hour just be happy with that imo and disregard the 20 min rule. Just make sure you exercise regularly and you'll be fine on the long run.
I am a fit and trim person. When I compare standing and sitting for the same duration (eg. 2 hours) I definitely have less stiffness / soreness and no back pain from standing. I have converted my home office to a flexible configuration that is biased towards standing, but allows me to sit as well when I feel like it. So much better now. I’ll take your tips on board, but I can’t see myself willingly going back to a sitting-only arrangement.
Thank you for making this video. I'm 77 years old and have gone from being an active equestrian to a sitting blogger in the past few years. I sit way too many hours every day. I've added silver sneakers (old guys) gym workouts, but three a week isn't enough. I was about to buy a standup desk, however your video has convinced me that isn't necessary. I am planning on a routine of three minutes of exercise following twenty minutes of sitting at my computer desk. You just saved me $250.00.
Thanks! At first my standing desk absolutely changed my life for the better. I had much less low back pain, more energy, and a better mood at work. I also started standing most of the time at home as well as work. Unfortunately after a year I started to get a lot of pain at the back of my knees. I am hyper mobile and also a yoga teacher so I am stretching a lot. I realized when I stand my legs are hyperextended, and I seemed to have pulled the muscles around the back of my knees. This has been slow to heal. I really miss my standing desk and wished I had of mixed sitting/standing more all year before this problem became severe. I hope to go back to a standing desk but will definitely take more sitting breaks in the future.
My main reason for going for standing desks is for better back health / posture. It does help a lot with my back and neck issues. It does allow me to pace around and move easier, but yeah i would agree that a standing desk alone is not enough to replace getting actual exercise.
I'm gonna buy a standing desk and this video didn't change my mind.
Why would you torture yourself with standing desk?
@@tukituki4350 Hardly torture
@@tukituki4350 try losing weight
He never said not to, or that it is a bad idea. He just recommends to find ways to keep you body moving from time to time
Treadmill desks are superior to just standing desks
Love the video and look forward to watching the follow-up. This has been sitting in my queue for a while and I'm glad I finally got to it.
I had a thought while watching the video:
"Ride a bike to work or the store... get run over.
Take public transportation... never get to work or to the store because it doesn't go there or go past my neighborhoood much less my house."
I learned in an urban planning course that this is the experience of most US Citizens because of the way we have planned our cities... no... not the major cities, I'm talking about the suburbs outside of the top 25 largest metropolitan statistical areas. We have unwittingly designed designed most towns and cities to work against having a healthy lifestyle. There is also a strong correlation between people who are obese or who have unhealthy lifestyles, and the designed-to-live-an-unhealthy-lifestyle towns/cities. This drives up healthcare demand and healthcare costs. And it drives up healthcare demand and costs in the least wealthy parts of the country. The conclusion I came to was that we have quite literally created what is called a self-perpetuating dooming cycle.
Me personally, I'm working to change that. There is a societal factor here that needs to be addressed. I hope this will help others see it clearly. For me, I had this "sense" that there was something there, some invisible hand I was fighting against, but I didn't have a way to see it in order to define it. It wasn't a conspiracy. It wasn't any one person or company or anything. It was a chain of decisions and technological inventions with unintentional consequences that couldn't be seen.
I greatly appreciate that the approach to the topic is more in line with the spirit of the scientific method, rather than giving a quick and easy answers as many other videos tend to give. Sometimes the right attitude and mindset is more important than clear cut answers - especially in science.
A maybe or dunno might be annoying, but it's better than a clear cut yes/no answer that might be wrong.
And I appreciate that rather than offering just a shrug at the end, you offer options that do help with improving health.
* subscribes *
💜💛💚💗 science 💗💚💛💜
My favorite of the actionable tips is that motivation won’t last but a system will last. So many people wait for motivation, stay responsible for a week, and then fall off the wagon and wonder why. Systems control for the influence of fluctuating motivation!
Motivation is dependent on the person. I started going to the gym 14 months ago, every week i've been between 4-6 times a week. Prior to that, i've never been in the gym before. Yet how many people start going to the gym in January and how many quit within 6 months. My motivation is different to theirs.
I work from home, and have dogs. They demand that I let them in and out occasionally, and I now go for a run with them at least once during my work time.
There's a system for you. One that squeeks and barks at you to remind you to move.
Txs, about what I expected. We actually don't know "for sure" about much of anything as it pertains to an individual. So as the doc says, experiment and try different things. For me, I'll keep using my standing desk, riding my bike and walking my dog. Keep active!
I love my standing desk - I always stand for conference/video calls, I find I am a lot more energetic and alert when stood up.
Additionally I have a chair and a stool and vary the positions depending on what I am doing.
I think desk bikes are the way to go rather than treadmill desks.
This video is very well done! I have used both standing desks and sitting desks for months at a time, and I have found that vigorous overall activity makes a much greater difference in my energy level, attitude, and well-being than what desk I use. So I make sure to do frequent and vigorous yard work, bike riding, and walking/hiking to offset my relatively sedentary desk time.
Me: Gets a standing desk so I can work in a manner more beneficial to my body.
Also me: Goes and eats a double cheeseburger with fries and a Coke during lunch break.
@Dieter Gaudlitz Bowel movement, you mean.
You sound like me
ya'll remember when humans didn't have this problem because we regularly ran for our lives from vicious beasts in the bush?
Pepperidge farms remembers....
CptBartRoberts were now domesticated
Lmao dead meme
I think you mean to say we chased vicious beasts in the bush. A man with wooden spears and fire ( thus hardened tips) can take down elephants....
We also died before 40
@@BossRedRanger The average life expectancy would have been similar to what it is now if we remove infant and childhood ( before 5 years old) from the average.
Definitely more clear. As a software engineer, I am the holy definition of a sedentary lifestyle and I myself use the "Pomodoro Technique" for the frequent reminders to get up and walk around the house. IMO, it's the perfect balance of walking 🚶 & sitting on my chair, that works the best for me or anybody worried about the back pain and other issues. Thanks a lot, Doc. ✌️
WoW, this video is really grate on the scientific method point: searching for studies and concluding: "hey we don’t have enough data by we need to make a decision". I loved it
tl;dr: Drink so much, you have to piss regulary. Solid advice!
That’s actually good advice. You stay hydrated and you stand up frequently! “Your bathroom breaks are eating into work time!” Fine, stop the smokers from going out, and I’ll stop hydrating myself.
To much peeing can cause a kidney failure.
I listened to an interview with a guy who crossed the Antarctic on foot. He couldn't sleep more than 3 hours at a time without risking to freeze to death. So he drank a lot of water before going to sleep. That would wake him up at regular intervals.
I work in IT, so I would LOVE a standing desk whenever I'm on those really long conference calls. They are among those situations where you can't really leave your desk so easily so standing desks would at least give me the option to pace up and down...
First time seeing your videos. I love how you don't go for easy answers, actually read the papers. Too often poorly executed experiments or inconclusive papers are used to argument by authority.
[edit: subscribed.]
Damn! Finally an unbiased channel and very helpful! Good job!
It`s good to make a decision based in information/researchs we have at the moment. Thanks for the well done vídeo.
I've been using a standing desk for the past 2 years. Now the only time I use it in standing mode is to battle my post lunch crash. It works like magic. For the most part of the day I'm sitting as it increases my productivity way more than standing.
This was actually a good video; concise, clear, and informative.
I've used an electric standing desk and I think they're great - it's an investment but it makes the day much better - stand for a while, lower the desk and sit for a while. And, you can get a stool and sit with your weight mostly on your feet - which is like sitting on an exercise ball, very good for your posture. It's always going to be about moving, but if you can sit with your back straight it actually makes a huge difference to the impact of your time sitting.
REM was way ahead of everyone...
“Stand in the place where you work...”
I work as a supermarket cashier. Recently our desk was modernized and the chair removed. Standing for several ours makes my feet’s hurt badly. Even young workers are complaining. I have no overweight, healthy, no medication, strong and in good condition. Standing for several hours would kill your feet. It is one of the means of repression and torture by the ruling class.
I'm using a walkingpad so I walk 2-8 km per day while doing my work. I do that for almost 2 weeks now and can really recommend. It makes me feel way better.
When I waited tables I was on my feet way more than with my standing desk. I didn't feel any pain in my feet or legs or anything. The key is to stay moving. Great video.
When I worked in a super market warehouse as a teen i was always moving, carrying stuff or moving pallets,, my feet always hurt like hell. I think it depends on the person how easily the feet begin to hurt. Maybe your big clown feet dissipate the weight more equally than my little feet
@@witoldschwenke9492 lol yeah maybe. Sucks to suck
I made myself a standing desk at a job I had several years ago. I found when I was standing, I was more likely to move away from the desk to do something; in other words, get a bit more exercise.
Conversely, though, I found that it reduced my ability to concentrate and get hard work done. So I ended up buying a bar stool and I would sit when I needed to concentrate (or just when I got tired in the afternoons) and stand the rest of the time. I was constantly moving between the two because the benefit of the bar stool was that it wasn't comfortable enough to induce me to sit on it for a long time.
Having it cleared up a hip/sciatic nerve problem that I was having.
Haha I did the same thing..
Made myself a standing desk..
Couple days later..., bought myself a bar stool..
I had a similar problem, standing I found it harder to focus. My job is engineering, so I worked out that whenever I was doing non-intensive thinking tasks, emails, powerpoints, easy projects, I could stand. But for stuff that started to push my thinking, I would just sit. Worked out perfectly, especially since standing helped me avoid the drowsy afternoon feeling.
That hydration tip is very elegant.
First day I bought a standing desk and it feels great. More of the half of the time I used in the standing position. So I think you should listen to your body and work the way it feels better
This nicely reframed the issue.
It's not about sitting or standing, it's about staying mobile and not being stuck in one position ALL DAY LONG.
✌️&❤️
It's best to alternate between sitting and standing throughout the day.
MEDIAHOUND i have my body vertical 24/7
Exactly. That's why I have transformer desk which can switch between sitting and standing modes several time throughout the day
@@ewqiupg same!
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The clickbait title is annoying, but really like that you show where you got your sources from, even directly quoting them.
To be fair, it's justified well enough
Mean while at school you sit for like 7 hours a day
the problem is doing so for 45 mins straight instead of like 15-20.
in uni the classes are 90 mins without breaks, I was thinking about standing up now and then but then it would have been too weird so I didn't x/
Honestly, after graduating, I really miss those 45-90 minute classes, in between which you walk varying distances carrying weighted storage bags across fields and through stairwells.
As opposed to a desk job, where you get to leave sooner if you don't move from your chair all day. A day, I might add, which is longer than the average school day, and has fewer opportunities for socialization. School was way more ADHD and I loved it.
70ME3E I’m going back to uni at the end of this month for a postgrad. I think I’ll be standing at the back for some lectures. I’ve been standing in work too long to go back to sitting for hours.
yeah you don't really sit that long tho i would walk in between classes and at lunch so i got way more walking in at school than i do at home.
you should have a stand/sit ratio of 1:1 basically, if you're working for 8 hours 4 hours of standing 4 hours of sitting, if you're getting tired of standing just do 1 hour of each. I can definitely attest that standing has really helped with lower back pain
Good advise. I do the same. Work standing up, move around, listen to music and dance. Also I take short brakes to exercise. This works for me and I am productive and don’t have back problems.
recently got a standing desktop and what works best for me is sitting and standing in intervals. and every 30-40 mins i walk throughout the office (drink a lot of water and you need to get up more often...). i noticed i need something that helps me move while standing, so i'm looking into getting a balance board or an under desk stair stepper. also recently brought light weights to work to do a little toning. it's also key to make these changes gradually and not overdo anything. i read somewhere that having a treadmill desk was healthiest option, but who wants to sweat at work?!
who said you have to walk fast enough to break a sweat? Just start out super slow, and ramp yourself up. Eventually even a brisk pace won't make you sweat as your body adjusts. Just keep in mind that outside of work, at your gym routine you will need to further increase your workouts to compensate.
6:21 Quick conclusion for those in need ^^
“Maybe it can just be my own personal choice and and I’m not judging others for their choice”
Standing desk is for my spine a lifesaver. But not by standing but by allowing me to change position during the work. I can sit on my big a** but also I can lift the desk and stand. It's outstanding and does the job for me but the best days are ones that I can, do after my IT work, work physically (in my locksmith workshop - my hobby) Then my spine smiles. Unfortunately, I do not have many opportunities to exercise and I have to choose between hobbies and exercises - the happy fact is that my hobby requires a lot of movement and lifting so it's for me a kind of exercise. Your film is putting much light on this. Thank you.
Really appreciate the approach, the reasearch and conclusions you took. Thank you!
i dont care about general health impacts, sitting hurts my back like crazy so standing is a must for a portion of the day.
I agree with the suggestions and I would add that in my experience standing desk is the best option to remind me to take a break and move or even just sit, more often as my legs will get tired quicker than my eyes. While, if I sit, I won't get to the point where I feel the urge to move so often.
You have to be mindful of the funding for these studies coming from the standing desk industry.
The source of your claim?
Wow! Insightful, informative, and well-throughout. Thanks 🙏
I love how all the ads I am getting now are standing desk ads. And all of my recommended videos are on standing desks. You do a few standing desk Google searches and look at a few websites and TH-cam tries to make it your life.
My answer is we all work in a VR space with intermittent zombie attacks. Doing our desk work until sirens start going off then we have to run around killing zombies for 15-30m while fortifying our desk area. There needs to be more research into workplace zombie attacks in my opinion.
*AR. VR would run the risk of running into people, or walls, or desks, or.... anything.
For reference, AR (augmented reality) uses your surroundings and inserts things (zombies, Mario, etc) into those surroundings that you can usually interact with in some form. VR generally doesn't use your surroundings, it's basically just having a game or app be your entire field of vision.
[also as a programmer I 100% support the idea of occasional office zombie invasions]
@@thatboringone7851 we can be friends. I put VR because I assumed no one is paying attention to the awesomeness of the AR industry yet. Just a side note: I would like my emails to be sent by AR owls. That would also increase my work efficiency.
@@SimonWoodburyForget
I'm not talking about what's possible mechanically, I'm talking about terminology. Displaying your actual, existing surroundings and altering them in some way is augmented reality, AR. For example, last year I was given a trial of a game that uses a camera with a VR headset. You see the space around you that actually exists, and virtual bugs that pop out cracks in any detected walls, floors or ceilings. That's defined as AR because the game augmented reality, rather than creating an entirely virtual space.
@@SimonWoodburyForget
I'm not implying that you can only do one at a time, or that they're somehow not closely related, that's just how they're defined. VR can absolutely incorporate AR and vice versa, but AR is still specifically augmented reality and VR is still virtual reality. I really don't see why this is an issue for you. They have specific definitions to help describe what function they serve, just as horror and comedy describe the specifics of a genre and can still be used together.
@@SimonWoodburyForget
Great, argue that with someone who said any of what you're arguing against. I'm not going to humor you.
Me: *stands still for more than 30 seconds*
Me: Aah my legs they feel like they're gonna snap like a twig
Are you 400 pounds?
This channel helped me so many times I've lost count
Agreed!
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This comment made me check out the channel & i ended up sub'd :)
Use a sitting/standing desk, ie adjustable height desk, and sit or stand as desired. I get backache with too much standing or sitting. Changing posture does helps the backache. Regular moving around helps this too.
I use a standing desk. Standing still for too long bothers my knees so it forces me to start moving around. Also, standing has improved my posture and alleviated my mid-back pain. You are more likely two get moving if you are already standing.