Not really. Some of those old drum machines weren't trying to imitate real drums, but to bring some unique sounds. The sound of acoustic drums was getting a bit boring for some of the music that was being made
George Agustí Álvarez I guess you’re referring to drum machines that use analog synthesis like for example Roland‘s 808 and 909. What I’m referring to in my original comment by saying ‚instruments’ are sample based drum machines like the LinnDrum or the Oberheim DMX. They in fact were created to emulate a real drum kit and hence where used by drummerless acts and bands. Sorry if I was unclear about that.
I can’t believe you left out the specs of the tone wallet sitting on top of the snare. Were there a couple 20’s inside? 2 or 3 maxed out credit cards? I’m amazed at how good this sounded. That’s strong work.
The Revolution’s drum tone that Prince and Bobby Z created was definitely signature to those songs. This was a damn spot ON recreation! Excellent work!
Maybe you're referring to David Z, Bobby's brother, who came up with the sound production on Kiss. But Prince's Linn sound (When Doves Cry and countless others) is purely Prince producing himself. Bobby Z is a fine player, but that's not him on Tamborine or the first twenty minutes of Parade. Or Lady Cab Driver. Or Bambi. Much less anything that Prince ever programmed on the Linn.
I bought a Linndrum ($2500) the year it came out, used it for many years and many upgrades. I think you’ve nailed it. Sold it in the 00s ($175) to a Christian group, it quit working couple years later, and the group didn’t want to pay Forat $350 to repair it! It’s still in the bandleader’s attic.
My first drum recordings ever were done with headphones as microphones. I put one right under the snare and hats, man it sounded terrible but I had never been so excited. Cool to see a throwback to headphone recordings, great vid!
Roger Linn: "[Prince] was very important to my success. He didn’t just select a stock beat and press ‘play,’ but rather used it in unusual and creative ways, from detuning the drums to no longer sound like drums to the unusual beats he programmed to how he featured it in the mix" - No surprise, Prince was a genius with electronic instruments, too.
Prince would've just stared at the drums for a while, until they realised how to sound. (ooh, can we do Prince facts like Chuck Norris facts? Prince once short-circuited his wah-wah pedal, because it actually started crying.)
I'd like to say again what a brilliant job has been done here too catch the vibe of the Linn LM1. It's a pity though that samples and loops weren't made from this, I would've gladly paid for Linn-like drum sounds with the life and variation of being performed by a real drummer on an acoustic drum kit!
This is really cool! Not what I was expecting, because I wanted to see vintage drum machines, but I love the technical details of how you guys did this. It would be so cool to see you do a technical walk-through of how to get that gated reverb sound acoustically as well.
Maybe next time make the video longer than five minutes and actually explain *how* you got the sounds you got. There are some really cool ideas here but "We added a ton of processing" doesn't tell us a whole lot about what you actually did in post to get the sound!
You don't need someone telling you exactly what to do. Theres only so many types of processing in the world, you can figure it out if you listen critically. If you copy their processing exactly on your drum kit with your mics, its not going to work.
Close? N'all, that was a LOT more accurate to the way Prince had his Linn Drum patterns sound. Very accurate, dead-on. If Prince Rogers Nelson heard what y'all did and saw how y'all did it, he would've been proud.
All credit should go to David Rivin (aka David Z.) for coming up with that beat. Prince had NOTHING to do with the creation of that particular drum beat on "Kiss" Kiss was written on an acoustic guitar and handed over to David. He, bassist Mark Brown and members of the group Mazarati came up with that drum pattern for the song.
Sounds identical to the Linndrum to me, very impressive. Considering the Linndrum used sampling from an acoustic drum to begin with, it makes sense you could recreate the sound
Excellent! No criticism here, but the kick verb on the record sounds like a Yamaha Rev7 to me. It had a super gritty/sandy sound sound that is so unique.
How about getting that "ka-ka" sound in Let's Go Crazy (among other Prince songs)? Supposedly Prince achieved that by tuning the rimshot sound all the way down.
Well, clearly none of you who replied here is an engineer, that wants a deeper understanding of the processes that took place through detailed explanations alongside samples of the sound throughout the production, so yeah, maybe I get the silliness in your comments. So looking up the drums does nothing, different mics, pres, room etc, neither does “knowing how these drums sound” I for one am not a musician, I work in post, never heard of them, so yeah, please, do show me the starting point, how did it sound before? So yeah michael, nevermind them...
A lot of people call the Linn LM-1 "Linndrum" and is not real, the two are made by Roger Linn but they are different machines guys. The drum sound of Prince that you're trying to recreate is from the Linn LM-1 Drum Computer not the Linndrum wich is the successor of the LM-1.
This is really cool. I think it would be interesting to try to get those sounds using purely acoustic treatment on the drums, as if you were a drummer in a low-budget Prince cover band showing up at a dive bar where the best you can hope for is to get miked up.
Wow. Great job recreating this. I love seeing stuff like this.. plus: J-Burd! haha, awesome to see her getting recognized. i used to follow her on Insta long time ago. Boom, here she is, smashin a Kiss replica!
Cool vid! More of these please. Sometimes things get too High Brow and it’s nice to get back to basics of when we couldn’t afford nice gear or had to make due with what we have to find the sounds we want.
I’m still looking for a way to reproduce the door knock (rim click) sound and the pop sound (hand clap) that is distinctively Prince. He used the Linn LM-1 which had these sounds. I have yet to hear these sounds reproduced faithfully using acoustic percussion for a live gig, no samples, and no wooden doors on stage, heh. If you could explore those sounds, that would be fantastic!
Well done!!! I never thought to use headphones on a snare, cool idea; I will try it out in the future. I have used a set of Audio-Technica head phones as mics taped close to the lower side of a bridge on a jumbo acoustic guitar. It sounds a bit like two single coil pickups set out of phase; this set up allows a stereo input from the front and back of the guitar, which fills in the signal a little bit.
“Kiss” sounds totally unlike anything on the radio in the 80’s and unlike any of Prince’s other songs. A lot of this is thanks to producer/engineer David Z. From this Sound on Sound article, he explains how they got the really cool rhythm guitar sound: “Anyway, starting with a LinnDrum, I programmed the beat and began experimenting. Taking a hi-hat from the drum machine, I ran it through a delay unit and switched between input and output and in the middle. That created a very funky rhythm. Then I took an acoustic guitar, played these open chords and gated that to the hi-hat trigger. The result was a really unique rhythm that was unbelievably funky but also impossible to actually play... I'm sure that sound influenced the fabulous new Daft Punk song 'Get Lucky', because it uses the same trick, with the guitar gated to some sort of rhythm and sequencer.”
Prince's bass player Mark Brown aka BrownMark had A LOT to do with the song " KISS" but was NEVER properly credited. Not to take anything away from David Z. but interesting he's NEVER been able to do it again...hmmmmm I wonder WHY??? BrownMark from The Revolution on the other hand recorded FIVE solo albums and currently working on a NEW one as we speak...Just sayin...go figure
So we’re at a certain point where we use instruments to recreate the sound of machines that tried to recreate the sound of real instruments. Ace!
Not really. Some of those old drum machines weren't trying to imitate real drums, but to bring some unique sounds. The sound of acoustic drums was getting a bit boring for some of the music that was being made
George Agustí Álvarez I guess you’re referring to drum machines that use analog synthesis like for example Roland‘s 808 and 909. What I’m referring to in my original comment by saying ‚instruments’ are sample based drum machines like the LinnDrum or the Oberheim DMX. They in fact were created to emulate a real drum kit and hence where used by drummerless acts and bands. Sorry if I was unclear about that.
He don't have the machine, plus the revers process here is neat and unusual, so interesting indeed.
the lesson is to always look for your own sound
They were actually real drums sampled in the LM. Prince normally pitched them down, thus giving a less acoustic kit type sound he was famous for
I can’t believe you left out the specs of the tone wallet sitting on top of the snare. Were there a couple 20’s inside? 2 or 3 maxed out credit cards?
I’m amazed at how good this sounded. That’s strong work.
"the hard way" like getting your hands on an LM-1 is easy
lol
Right?!
VProm 2.0 is a perfect Linn LM-1 emulator that can also load the eproms from other classic drum machines like the DMX and DrumTrax.
GarageBand on the iPhone comes with a great linndrum.
@@AdamBorseti Vprom is a marvellous imitation LinnDrumm
That's a pretty big sound from only 3 instruments. Well done.
That's tons of compression for you ;)
You don’t have to be rich 2 rule my world!!! This was pretty cool!!! 👍
Brilliant. As a LinnDrum owner and LD emulation plugin developer I can only say you nailed it!
The Revolution’s drum tone that Prince and Bobby Z created was definitely signature to those songs. This was a damn spot ON recreation! Excellent work!
It was only prince on that linn drum
Maybe you're referring to David Z, Bobby's brother, who came up with the sound production on Kiss. But Prince's Linn sound (When Doves Cry and countless others) is purely Prince producing himself.
Bobby Z is a fine player, but that's not him on Tamborine or the first twenty minutes of Parade. Or Lady Cab Driver. Or Bambi. Much less anything that Prince ever programmed on the Linn.
@@bonatoc well spoken
She really captured the feel with her playing. The engineering was great too.
back in my day we use REAL Linn drums. kids nowadays have it easy *grump
Ahmad ilyas"And they would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you meddling kids"
Yeah, they have their GarageBand and FL Studios.
Its expensive
I bought a Linndrum ($2500) the year it came out, used it for many years and many upgrades. I think you’ve nailed it. Sold it in the 00s ($175) to a Christian group, it quit working couple years later, and the group didn’t want to pay Forat $350 to repair it! It’s still in the bandleader’s attic.
The Linn LM-1 was heard in the song "Kiss" (1986).
My first drum recordings ever were done with headphones as microphones. I put one right under the snare and hats, man it sounded terrible but I had never been so excited. Cool to see a throwback to headphone recordings, great vid!
Roger Linn: "[Prince] was very important to my success. He didn’t just select a stock beat and press ‘play,’ but rather used it in unusual and creative ways, from detuning the drums to no longer sound like drums to the unusual beats he programmed to how he featured it in the mix" - No surprise, Prince was a genius with electronic instruments, too.
Prince would've just stared at the drums for a while, until they realised how to sound. (ooh, can we do Prince facts like Chuck Norris facts? Prince once short-circuited his wah-wah pedal, because it actually started crying.)
LMAO!
Prince once slapped a bass so hard, the bass turned around to him and whispered in his ear, "do it harder, daddy ❤️".
@@DeadWhiteButterflies ✊
Prince didn't wear high heels. After listening to Do Me Baby, his Vans got a boner.
Comment GOLD!
I'd like to say again what a brilliant job has been done here too catch the vibe of the Linn LM1. It's a pity though that samples and loops weren't made from this, I would've gladly paid for Linn-like drum sounds with the life and variation of being performed by a real drummer on an acoustic drum kit!
This was beyond nerdiliciously amazing. Please put this out as a drum kit!
That was awesome, you 2 did a fantastic job ... please do more Prince, he has so much great stuff to choose from, not only drums.
Thanks Reverb. You got it close as hell. Do more like this we are loving it.
This is really cool! Not what I was expecting, because I wanted to see vintage drum machines, but I love the technical details of how you guys did this. It would be so cool to see you do a technical walk-through of how to get that gated reverb sound acoustically as well.
How to get linn drum sounds out of linn drum.
1. Turn it on
2. Use it
For anyone wanting the linn sound, check out the Junn JM-1 VST, it’s completely free and sounds great
tell it to these idiots
Theres one called DJ Dinn or something along those lines thats free that also lets you mess with the mixing and pitch like a real Linn Drum too!
@@brooklynboy1000 Why so hostile?
Maybe next time make the video longer than five minutes and actually explain *how* you got the sounds you got. There are some really cool ideas here but "We added a ton of processing" doesn't tell us a whole lot about what you actually did in post to get the sound!
Id imagine a SHIT load of gate
Thank you
Use your imagination muscles.
You don't need someone telling you exactly what to do. Theres only so many types of processing in the world, you can figure it out if you listen critically. If you copy their processing exactly on your drum kit with your mics, its not going to work.
Close? N'all, that was a LOT more accurate to the way Prince had his Linn Drum patterns sound. Very accurate, dead-on.
If Prince Rogers Nelson heard what y'all did and saw how y'all did it, he would've been proud.
The highest possible compliment. Thanks for watching!
@@Reverb Welcome as always. Planning to get some things from your store soon as well. Can't wait!
proud, or mad that someone figured out his secrets! he was known to be competitive...
Holy shit release these as a sample pack
cool stuff... never heard anyone describe a vistalite having a "warm" attack lol.
Vistalites are warm and loud, especially if you've got a vintage one with coated heads
Probably one of the least warm drums you could use lol
tell that to the 4 sets i've worked with....
It's definitely not the same as a 3 ply vintage kit. But there is a certain unique, powerful warm tone.
The warm sound comes just when u kill it with lot of pillows.
Sounds really good, well done! Love the wallet on the snare touch!
I wish we got some one shots cuz this was amazing.
It feels like it's warmer then the LM-1.
I’ve had several LinnDrums, this was a lot of fun 😊
Best acoustic drum kit I've ever heard!
loved the headphone trick! almost sounds like a phone mic
All credit should go to David Rivin (aka David Z.) for coming up with that beat. Prince had NOTHING to do with the creation of that particular drum beat on "Kiss" Kiss was written on an acoustic guitar and handed over to David. He, bassist Mark Brown and members of the group Mazarati came up with that drum pattern for the song.
Sounds identical to the Linndrum to me, very impressive. Considering the Linndrum used sampling from an acoustic drum to begin with, it makes sense you could recreate the sound
Ok, I loved this a little too much. Great work!
I don’t know about the kick but snare was impressive.
That snare was a lot punchier and less sizzly (a good thing really) than the Linn
but real talk that is a legendary kick/snare sound, good ear and creativity putting this together!
I see Prince & Linndrum. I click.
That sounds awesome. Very creative. Well done!
You guys nailed it.
Excellent! No criticism here, but the kick verb on the record sounds like a Yamaha Rev7 to me. It had a super gritty/sandy sound sound that is so unique.
Makes me wish I never quit music class. Excellent sound!
awesome- would love to see you do up 1999 drums
That was awesome. So many techniques in one short vid. Thank you.
Super cool, still plenty of Linn drum samples for free on the internet. But, it’s fun and why not.
You guys are frickin geniuses wow! that sounded close to the original.
How about getting that "ka-ka" sound in Let's Go Crazy (among other Prince songs)? Supposedly Prince achieved that by tuning the rimshot sound all the way down.
INCREDIBLE!!!! Kudos aplenty!!!
Wish I could have heard what the drums sounded like acoustically without all the processing.
Umm, just look up Yamaha Jimmy Chamberlin Signature Snare. What that drum sounds like in its natural state was clearly not the point of this video
You wouldn't because then the bass drum beater tapping the head multiple times after each hit would be audible.
How do you not know what these drums sound like?
Well, clearly none of you who replied here is an engineer, that wants a deeper understanding of the processes that took place through detailed explanations alongside samples of the sound throughout the production, so yeah, maybe I get the silliness in your comments.
So looking up the drums does nothing, different mics, pres, room etc, neither does “knowing how these drums sound” I for one am not a musician, I work in post, never heard of them, so yeah, please, do show me the starting point, how did it sound before?
So yeah michael, nevermind them...
@@GL-uy3fd i've been an engineer for 15 years... Your comment is bobbins. Everyone knows.
A lot of people call the Linn LM-1 "Linndrum" and is not real, the two are made by Roger Linn but they are different machines guys. The drum sound of Prince that you're trying to recreate is from the Linn LM-1 Drum Computer not the Linndrum wich is the successor of the LM-1.
Actually, Kiss was recorded using a Linn 9000, so you're both wrong.
thanks Reverb comment section for reminding me to never scroll down
it’s like watching magicians create their own version of a famous magic trick and then exposing their secret of their trick.
This is really cool. I think it would be interesting to try to get those sounds using purely acoustic treatment on the drums, as if you were a drummer in a low-budget Prince cover band showing up at a dive bar where the best you can hope for is to get miked up.
This is excellent content 🙌
if i had a drum set up like this i would never leave the throne!
Wow. Great job recreating this. I love seeing stuff like this.. plus: J-Burd! haha, awesome to see her getting recognized. i used to follow her on Insta long time ago.
Boom, here she is, smashin a Kiss replica!
Utterly amazing
Really bang on. Very impressive!!!
man this snare sounds awesome. give us the samples wav quality guuys!!!
@ still waiting tho 😂
No! First...you have to repent.
THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO THE LYNN-DRUM,,,IN FACT IF I CLOSE MY EYES I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS A LYNN-DRUM PLAYING,,,,,INCREDIBLE !!!!!!!
Cool vid! More of these please. Sometimes things get too High Brow and it’s nice to get back to basics of when we couldn’t afford nice gear or had to make due with what we have to find the sounds we want.
Sounds really awesome
Sounds like a Linn drum to me. Great job 👍 guys.
Sounds pretty spot-on.
Well this was fun. Really enjoyed it!
This actually sounds hella cool.
Would love to have seen more detail on the processing
Sounds better and more lively.good job!
I’m still looking for a way to reproduce the door knock (rim click) sound and the pop sound (hand clap) that is distinctively Prince. He used the Linn LM-1 which had these sounds. I have yet to hear these sounds reproduced faithfully using acoustic percussion for a live gig, no samples, and no wooden doors on stage, heh. If you could explore those sounds, that would be fantastic!
It’s a side stick, but pitched down. So very difficult to emulate in real life
Well done!!! I never thought to use headphones on a snare, cool idea; I will try it out in the future. I have used a set of Audio-Technica head phones as mics taped close to the lower side of a bridge on a jumbo acoustic guitar. It sounds a bit like two single coil pickups set out of phase; this set up allows a stereo input from the front and back of the guitar, which fills in the signal a little bit.
Fantastic sound.
really cool . I love these vids.
That was a fun little trip 🙏
No one can program a drum machine like P.. he would run the LM1 through his Boss effects petals and stomp boxes to enhance the sound the way he wanted
You should attempt the classic Prince pitched down Linn Rimshot with this kit on a separate snare
“Kiss” sounds totally unlike anything on the radio in the 80’s and unlike any of Prince’s other songs. A lot of this is thanks to producer/engineer David Z. From this Sound on Sound article, he explains how they got the really cool rhythm guitar sound: “Anyway, starting with a LinnDrum, I programmed the beat and began experimenting. Taking a hi-hat from the drum machine, I ran it through a delay unit and switched between input and output and in the middle. That created a very funky rhythm. Then I took an acoustic guitar, played these open chords and gated that to the hi-hat trigger. The result was a really unique rhythm that was unbelievably funky but also impossible to actually play... I'm sure that sound influenced the fabulous new Daft Punk song 'Get Lucky', because it uses the same trick, with the guitar gated to some sort of rhythm and sequencer.”
Prince's bass player Mark Brown aka BrownMark had A LOT to do with the song " KISS" but was NEVER properly credited. Not to take anything away from David Z. but interesting he's NEVER been able to do it again...hmmmmm I wonder WHY??? BrownMark from The Revolution on the other hand recorded FIVE solo albums and currently working on a NEW one as we speak...Just sayin...go figure
Great video. Still waiting for someone with to much spare time to do an acoustic recreation of the 909 kick! =)
Amazing work!
Excellent stuff. I love this company and the people who work there seem so nice!
Close enough. Good job guys
That was awesome, please make more these!
Spot on!
Amazingly close to the original. You should contact the Native Instruments people, proceed and make a virtual instrument of it for Kontakt!
I'd buy, take my monaaaay!
Da haben Sie vollkommen Recht Herr Jäger.
Grüße aus dem Sauerland
It sounds great!
Killer!! Great job guys!!
Any chance you can make wavs of the kit available for download? Great work!
Amazing sound and love the recording techniques!
@reverb could we get a sample pack of some of those drum sounds?
Very nice work........
That snare is godly
Very close! And that is cool I didn't know they used delay to get the 16th-note embelishments from the hi hat
Wow i really enjoyed this very interesting as well as satisfying great work..
wich plug in did u guys use for the hi hat delay?
Really cool video!!
Loved it.I,ve been working on SignO the Times with my double pedal.I'd like to hear your version.
Very close. Great job.
Sounds pretty damn good. Guess I know what I'm doing this weekend then.
Nice job! Are the hi-hats double-tracked? I hear more than I'm seeing from your right hand.
4:23 you're welcome .....
So dope. Great job
This is amazing. Sounds better than a linn drum.
Yeah but what about recreating the "nook nook" sound found throughout 1999 and Purple Rain eras
We don't have a video on that (yet!) In the meantime, here's some info on how the sound came to be: reverb.com/news/prince-and-the-linn-lm-1
AntmanFelix it’s the rim shot tuned down
Mmmm...i think of it more as a “Kuk Kuk” as in 1999’s Kukka-doojoo-do Kuk-kuk.
AntmanFelix same damn drums but with a flanger on it. Sheesh!!
@@AveMcree SHEESSHH I was just saying that's cool and all, but what about his most signature iconic sound! SHEEEEEESSSHH
Was there a sample pack released for this one? I couldn't find it.
Great job!
I love this so much.