you can get yourself an Otari MX5050 two track rather cheap these days. I have one. Buuuut, I wouldn't recommend it. They were made to be ultra clean sounding. Which they very much are and if you are looking for dirt, i'd look for something like a Tascam 80-8, but only record 4 tracks on it, 1/2 8 track isn't that great. Do 4 tracks on the 1/2 inch, sounds much better. Don't get the Teac 80-8 though, they always had sync problems and these days, they're just not worth it.
Cheapo version: Set up 57s in place of all the mics he's using. Then run it through whatever 4-channel+ audio interface you have. Use the waves plugin bundle or whatever you have to simulate all the gear he's using, and voila.
Just do the Tame Impala set up. 57 or 421 on the snare top, another 57 on the side, condensor mic as an over head, mic the kick with whatever you like. Kev uses another 57 but do you. and optionally mic the floor tom. Then get yourself the Tube Tech CL1B plugin and compress the shit out of everything.
I hope you're planning on making way more of this content and aggregating it into a "Experimental Recording Techniques" playlist. I would hope it'd have some cool historical examples too, like the article about vocal recording that was published recently. Thanks for this :)
That's a particularly good example because you can hear it A/B between the crunchy kickass choruses and the more detailed delicate sound in the verses.
Not a fan of the cymbals or open sound of the hihat but that snare and closed hihat Im really loving! Reminds me of Mind Mischief off of Lonerism Especially at 6:01
No it doesn't, listen with proper headphones/ monitors. The bass response and overall fidelity is better. You just can't discern much difference between compression, analog and digital clipping.
totally! haha ive actually been recording my drums on my iphone when i want this sort of crunchy sound. not always appropriate, but sometimes the in-phone compression beats anything i can do in post lol
Experimenting-that is where things get fun- all electronic music is a magic trick , we can kid ourselves that we can get a "realistic" sound, but who says we even hear things the same? So may as well have some fun lending unique character to different instruments. I guess a problem one can run into is if the sounds need accessing again- how to reproduce them? I imagine you take notes when you uses unconventional techniques. But I am ADD to a ridiculous extent and have to take notes everywhere or I wake up every day like a newborn baby. Haha. You obviously know what you're doing, have killer gear and sense of humor. Thanks for sharing!
Legendary signal chain. Results are slappin, yet seeing UA 1176LN go entirely unused is uncool, and that goes double for the API 312s. Def some kinda violation I'm calling cops
@@chinmeysway heh true, they did use the lovely Urei rev H to great effect, but rev D has the input transformer perfectly suited for saturated drum crush. It’s where those UA reissues shine brightest imo
Lol now I realize my taste of lo-fi drum sound needs bunch of $$$... lo-fi require 4kin high budgets! Still I should mesh up my recording with digital plug-ins cause I don’t have NEVE, Telefunken or other vintage gears but... this video sounds too beautiful. Anyway thanks for sharing your experience.
Contact mic is a huge part of this sound tho; those are I think like 30 or 67 dollars! Stock plugins compression / overdrive can get ya there too pretty readily. Room mic helps a ton; experiment w how far away it is, pick up pattern as well.
@@christopherrusch nice… I’ve been only using those same stock plug-ins too- not bad really. But I have no comparison exactly. Getting the most out of them then graduating to more outboard or big name plugns seems good.
I'd be inclined to mike the kit normally and just slam the crap out of that room mic - it seemed to be doing most of the heavy lifting - and then add it to taste to the rest of the mix. That would add some crispiness.
There are 2 "heads" on an analog multitrack machine: Record Head, and Repro(duction) Head - Monitoring from the Record Head may have some latency and will only allow you to hear what has been printed on tape (like the output signal back from the recording medium/ disk/ drive whatever) - the Repro head will let you hear the input signal before it gets recorded. Zero latency and you actually hear what your feeding the machine.
this is a little similar to how Adam Pierce of Mice Parade records his drums. From here: www.xlr8r.com/features/2007/07/mice-parade-in-the-studio/ "Almost every time I record drums, I throw up a distortion mic. You throw up some room mics and you throw up one mic that you intentionally distort through compressors and gain and shit. It's just a matter of how much [that mic] gets used. There are some tracks where it's barely in the mix at all, and there's some, like ["Tales of Las Negras"] where the sound is a bit more prominent. " -Adam Pierce
I have had much better results resampling the recorded drum sections into an Emu Emax and re-capturing it through a hardware limiter. I got punch and crunch without the obvious distortion which doesn't actually sound that good.
Cool sounds and obviously cool gear but I was doin this as a kid in the 90s with 2 shitty radio shack mics with the cords built in running into a old cassette deck in record/pause with the levels on 10. Split the line out L-overhead/R-bass drum to my 8track reel to reel and it was as good as this or honestly better. No fancy pre or compression of any kind needed only post eq to your liking. Also crushed is not the proper term. Since that term gets used for "bit crushing" . This should be called overdriven/blown out/distorted/ragged/red lined/mangled etc.
I hear that, you can get a wonderfully dirty sound out of those old mics.... I like to records drums to a shitty old portable cassette recorder using my crappy Radioshack stereo mic, then dump it into the sampler to chop up....instant grit and no need for plug ins!
Such a punchy, crunchy. I feel every hit in my head.
you used your ears to listen to this too?
@@micahpacileo2307 i put earphones in my nose and i still heard it
*destroys all semblance of drum tone* "alright now let's check phase!"
LOL
Lmao 😂😂😂😂
)))))
check out Tchad Blake
(Writing down mics and placements,) mentions vintage tape recording machine. (Throws phone)
Tape saturation plugins could help you get close to that sound
Universal audio tape plugin
you can get yourself an Otari MX5050 two track rather cheap these days. I have one. Buuuut, I wouldn't recommend it. They were made to be ultra clean sounding. Which they very much are and if you are looking for dirt, i'd look for something like a Tascam 80-8, but only record 4 tracks on it, 1/2 8 track isn't that great. Do 4 tracks on the 1/2 inch, sounds much better. Don't get the Teac 80-8 though, they always had sync problems and these days, they're just not worth it.
@Lewps Hekla lmao
You can easily get this sound
Someone got a vid that explains the exact same thing but without majorly crazy unattainable gear.
Cheapo version: Set up 57s in place of all the mics he's using. Then run it through whatever 4-channel+ audio interface you have. Use the waves plugin bundle or whatever you have to simulate all the gear he's using, and voila.
i guess a distortion/overdrive pedal
Just do the Tame Impala set up. 57 or 421 on the snare top, another 57 on the side, condensor mic as an over head, mic the kick with whatever you like. Kev uses another 57 but do you. and optionally mic the floor tom. Then get yourself the Tube Tech CL1B plugin and compress the shit out of everything.
Thanks, been looking how to get the vintage compressed sound they got
ok ill just do that
You def need a DBX. A good old mono dbx compressor like the 160, 160x, 160a, 166, or 165 will get you closer to the sound more than anything else.
Man if I had a dollar every time the tame impala setup is mentioned lol. Plenty of other bands and drum sounds out there
@@mershtron but tame impala is probably the most known about with this kind of drum sound
I hope you're planning on making way more of this content and aggregating it into a "Experimental Recording Techniques" playlist. I would hope it'd have some cool historical examples too, like the article about vocal recording that was published recently. Thanks for this :)
add a heavy fuzz bass, some marshall/orange guitar and a graspy voice
this is actually pretty sick
What a fun video! 4:54 made me ache inside. Never realized what kinds of tricks you can do with enough preamps and strange mics.
I remember reading somewhere that a radioshack pizo mic, hanging above the kit, will give an old school funk record sound.
Excellent content Reverb! Thanks for all your hard work making these videos
Love crunchy drums like this :)
a great example of these kinds of drums would be Race For The Prize by the Flaming Lips
That's a particularly good example because you can hear it A/B between the crunchy kickass choruses and the more detailed delicate sound in the verses.
exactly
Zachary Coffee more like TFL Nerve Action
That is also really good if not a better example
Zachary Coffee That’s exactly what I heard, too.
man these rare great. I was just enjoying my day off and now I really just wanna go back to the studio hahah.
Interesting sound, very useable. A LOT of steps and devices in the signal chain.
The Dave Fridmann sound
Thanks for the awesome videos Reverb!
sick
Not a fan of the cymbals or open sound of the hihat but that snare and closed hihat Im really loving!
Reminds me of Mind Mischief off of Lonerism
Especially at 6:01
See i loved the cymbals and hated the snare 😂😂 thats why i like it it sounds like lonerism
Soo dope !!!! Go Noam he's a awesome audio engineer & Artist .
Seems extravagant for an ok medium distorted sound starting place (hinging off the contact mic mostly), but hope you sell some sic gear this weekend.
That’s really cool. Clearly used in hip hop a lot and in Radiohead etc...super cool.
In hiphop we just smash a busscompressor
God damn that opening drum track is sample worthy
This sounds EXACTLY like when I use my phone to record drums, lol, how weird!!
Sideoutside you just saved us all about $1.2MM in audio gear
If i could like this a million times!!!
No it doesn't, listen with proper headphones/ monitors. The bass response and overall fidelity is better. You just can't discern much difference between compression, analog and digital clipping.
totally! haha ive actually been recording my drums on my iphone when i want this sort of crunchy sound. not always appropriate, but sometimes the in-phone compression beats anything i can do in post lol
And ur toy Casio sounds just like a Rhodes
This sounds great for some heavy hip hop or drum and bass
this is the drumsound i love!
Experimenting-that is where things get fun- all electronic music is a magic trick , we can kid ourselves that we can get a "realistic" sound, but who says we even hear things the same? So may as well have some fun lending unique character to different instruments. I guess a problem one can run into is if the sounds need accessing again- how to reproduce them? I imagine you take notes when you uses unconventional techniques. But I am ADD to a ridiculous extent and have to take notes everywhere or I wake up every day like a newborn baby. Haha. You obviously know what you're doing, have killer gear and sense of humor. Thanks for sharing!
The idea of non-repeatability is ok too! So much variety / discovery can occur if a baby starts from scratch each time 😊🎉
My Boss Dr-110 actually does a pretty good job at replicating these effects when put through some distortion/saturation/compression
That's the way I like it! Very cool!
soo dope, engineering looks like fun
The Cure used contact mics for their drum sound 40 years ago.
Oh whoa. Like on several albums or do you know which ones? Their (early)drum sounds seem pretty normal, just curious to learn tho.
Check out Seventeen Seconds and Faith. Good examples of that sound
Nice video !
Awesome vid!
Is there gonna be a video on how this sounds in a mix? I really love the crunch the ride has.
Snare at 3:57
Awesome, well done!
Great video.
excellent video
Might like that contact mic better on the bottom head for that gritty snap
This is like the snare on Death Magnetic.
How does one always check phase?
Mic preamps have a polarity switch
Or hang a Rockband microphone over the kit and be done with it. 🤣……very cool sound though
put the contact mic on the shell of the snare
Reminds me of flaming lips slow nerve action. Just need some more ring on the snare
Spot on!
Kinda reminds me of the drums in the intro of Mayday by Tomahawk
Love this!
I don't know what they need these words mean but it sounds cool
this is awesome
For those that want your saturated drums to be punchier and want to get rid of the decay, use XLN audio's Drum shaper and turn the sustain down 👆
Maybe you could enlighten me, what does check phase mean?
Means that 2 microphones being out of phase will result in cancellation of some recorded sounds
+123zboom I know what phase is and why you should pay attention to it, but how do you check it?
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Sounds sweet but you could just add a studio compressor and hard limit it.
Gracias por la info!!'n
Legendary signal chain. Results are slappin, yet seeing UA 1176LN go entirely unused is uncool, and that goes double for the API 312s. Def some kinda violation I'm calling cops
They used the 1176 tho yo! All buttons in mode
@@chinmeysway heh true, they did use the lovely Urei rev H to great effect, but rev D has the input transformer perfectly suited for saturated drum crush. It’s where those UA reissues shine brightest imo
Someone pls help me out, what ride is that????
Off topic question....but how do you access the rear panels of all that rack mounted stuff?
Wizzle They don’t, generally everything is routed to a central patch panel so you don’t have to deal with all the cabling
Drum kit used in this video?
what an awesome channel! Thank U
What’s that next to the drummer with the lights?
tdrum21 looks like a heaphone amp
In ear module
Just let's the drummer hear from all the microphones what he's playing as well as a click track
that's a lot of cash in a chain...... i get depressed, i'll keep using my distortion pedal
Aweeeesum
daaamn i want that sound
I taste metal when i listen to this
Note to self: 2:44
want a lofi sound? use a single usb mic on the drum set. add compression, slight overdrive, mild eq, reverb, and you’re good.
I was wrong it wasn't a cardboard box it was a milk crate but how did they get it to sound like a drum kit?
drooling
Lol now I realize my taste of lo-fi drum sound needs bunch of $$$... lo-fi require 4kin high budgets! Still I should mesh up my recording with digital plug-ins cause I don’t have NEVE, Telefunken or other vintage gears but... this video sounds too beautiful. Anyway thanks for sharing your experience.
HanJun Lee yeah i was able to get a drumsound that wasn’t too far off from this just by using basic logic pro x plugins
Contact mic is a huge part of this sound tho; those are I think like 30 or 67 dollars! Stock plugins compression / overdrive can get ya there too pretty readily. Room mic helps a ton; experiment w how far away it is, pick up pattern as well.
@@christopherrusch nice… I’ve been only using those same stock plug-ins too- not bad really. But I have no comparison exactly. Getting the most out of them then graduating to more outboard or big name plugns seems good.
I'd be inclined to mike the kit normally and just slam the crap out of that room mic - it seemed to be doing most of the heavy lifting - and then add it to taste to the rest of the mix. That would add some crispiness.
what does working with repro mean?
It's the sound coming straight off the tape, so you can hear what you're getting.....a reproduction.
There are 2 "heads" on an analog multitrack machine: Record Head, and Repro(duction) Head - Monitoring from the Record Head may have some latency and will only allow you to hear what has been printed on tape (like the output signal back from the recording medium/ disk/ drive whatever) - the Repro head will let you hear the input signal before it gets recorded. Zero latency and you actually hear what your feeding the machine.
Turns out using a load of vintage rack gear and a tape machine makes a good drum sound! Whaddya know kids...
chaz32 on the Cars first album they used a contact mic that triggered white noise to thicken it up
what is the point of making these videos? Nobody has access to any of this stuff, is it just to show off gear?
Anybody know if those AKG contact mics would stick to Remo mesh heads?
Kran Kuntz I dunno but as far as I know,they can't.
Sick
Yeah!
"Alright let's go to the snare"
**isolates the snare track**
Me: **Wheezes uncontrollably**
Can't help but feel like low key jazz and funk groups have been doing this for a few years now.
this is a little similar to how Adam Pierce of Mice Parade records his drums. From here: www.xlr8r.com/features/2007/07/mice-parade-in-the-studio/
"Almost every time I record drums, I throw up a distortion mic. You throw up some room mics and you throw up one mic that you intentionally distort through compressors and gain and shit. It's just a matter of how much [that mic] gets used. There are some tracks where it's barely in the mix at all, and there's some, like ["Tales of Las Negras"] where the sound is a bit more prominent. "
-Adam Pierce
you can get this sound with sm58's and a decent compressor
Based
Sounds like Turning On The Screw by QOTSA
Kevin Parker “Lonerism” sound
Sounds a bit like Vulfpeck.
Check out the Vulf compressor by Goodhertz (Y)
Not really
Forget all of that, Devil-Lock Deluxe and you are good to go whilst saving 50k.-.
Not quite but definetly gives a similar vibe
sounds nasty!! nice work!
Crushed drums? Just listen to Death Magnetic
that has some of Lars shittiest playing and it sounds so fucking sterile haahahahahaha
I have had much better results resampling the recorded drum sections into an Emu Emax and re-capturing it through a hardware limiter. I got punch and crunch without the obvious distortion which doesn't actually sound that good.
Cool sounds and obviously cool gear but I was doin this as a kid in the 90s with 2 shitty radio shack mics with the cords built in running into a old cassette deck in record/pause with the levels on 10. Split the line out L-overhead/R-bass drum to my 8track reel to reel and it was as good as this or honestly better. No fancy pre or compression of any kind needed only post eq to your liking. Also crushed is not the proper term. Since that term gets used for "bit crushing" . This should be called overdriven/blown out/distorted/ragged/red lined/mangled etc.
I hear that, you can get a wonderfully dirty sound out of those old mics....
I like to records drums to a shitty old portable cassette recorder using my crappy Radioshack stereo mic, then dump it into the sampler to chop up....instant grit and no need for plug ins!
Basically how to get the Pinkerton drum sound
What's wrong with that snare mic?
Airbag by Radiohead??
Shiina Ringo would be underwhelmed by the distortion and inaudibility lol
Is it wrong to say this sounds delicious?
I wish I had a nickel for every bearded millenial with a strategically angled oversized hat.
I use Audacity.
The needle of the 1176 was not moving. Was its input purposefully set low? Just to get the warm-tone sound only?
4:52
How has no one pointed out that these guys are wearing the same shirt
Sounds good but im getting afeeling this is overmixing the fuck out of it u can acheive this with a devil loc and sum tape
3:10
Let’s use thousands of dollars in stereo equipment to achieve a drum sound which is often captured by necessity. Yeah sounds great.
Let’s use thousands of dollars in stereo equipment to achieve exactly what you want to achieve.
That sounds great, indeed.
Sounds great. I love that nasty shit.