Drift Car Wheelbase 2 , Weights, Balance , What Do YOU Think? Comparing Popular Drift Chassis
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- Wheelbase of Drift Cars, weights, balances and more. You replied and I made a video based on each and every reply! Check out how we dig deeper into the fundamentals of drift chassis, adding your experiences and input. We discuss BMW E60, Mazda FC RX7, ofcourse Toyota Chaser, Lexus IS, BMW E46, BMW E30, Toyota Cressida and much more!
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I drive a 370Z (360hp/400nm) with a weld in cage confirming to the reglements in germany.
Its 1500kg with me in full gear and a full tank.
Weightdistribution is 44% Rear 56% Front - still OEM radiator installed etc.
Only running used tyres (18"-20" 215-295 widht) so far but competitions are "ok" (2x 3rd place :))
Started "competing" this year.
Front is full wisefab kit on 225/40R18 and -3,4° camber and 5' toe out with kw v3 suspension.
Rear is OEM with +0,5° camber and 30' toe in with soft kw v3 suspension on "soft" settings.
I feel like the car is transitioning really smoth even with 100inch length.
Speed wise iam doing good on dry track but on wet track iam feel pretty slow.
Havent drifted any other car than mine so far. ;)
Already have plans for radiator and tank relocation ... they will be on top / a bit in front of the rear axle.
Its more like and informational post here.. really like you videos 😁
These types of videos are great. Your channel deserves a lot more recognition. In the age of Facebook hearsay, people need accurate and useful knowledge. Can't wait to see the next part of this series 🙏
Thanks! What do you want to see included in the next video?
Last month, I took a class on learning how to drift on a wet track iN different cars.
We drove M4, M2, gt86, gr86 supra mkV and alpine A 110.
It was funny to experience different wheelbase like you explain on the video.
The short wheelbase were more difficult to control or hold on long bends whereas the m4 for exemple were the easiest to control ( for a beginner). I spun less with the m4 than the supra and alpine a110 ( french sportcar that is not in the USA).
As a beginner, I even stuggled with the gt86 witch is not that short as a wheelbase.
In other words, it is easier to drift with a long big car than light and short car for ME.
Great videos keep em coming hopefully the algorithm starts suggesting your videos more 👍
Haha that would be nice, hard to justify the time rn
I’ve been thinking of getting an s197
From what I’ve heard the self steer isn’t great.
Can changing caster or Ackerman help with this?
Seen your interviews with Aaron, they are great.
Thanks for dropping all of this knowledge!
I'm in east asia and have never got my hand on a s197. But I did some search on the net and found the oe caster of s197 is sth like 7°, that's more than enough for proper drifting self steering.
If its not good enough for you, you can add on degrees up to 8°, but be careful cause too much caster on the front:
1)leads to faster front axle rotation(extra 'inside wheel while initiating aka trailing wheel while drifting' drag, so the body rotate faster), which you definitely want if the car is front-mid engine layout, or the weight is concentrated between front&rear axle, even better with greatter caster
2)might hurt the front axle grip cause the leading wheel is now more incline while on lock
for s197 I dont think too much caster is good , but if the self steering itsnt good enough, you can add some mechanic trail on the knuckle which can be a great pain in the ass if youre using oe knuckle.
As for Ackerman (aka dynamic toe), its all about the front tyre slip angle.
While initiating, theres not enough steering angle for ackerman to take place and help building that tyre slip angle, so you need a tiny static toe out to help the inside front tyre building slip angle faster, just to building more drag force on the inside front tyre to help the body rotate faster.
After initate you wont need much pro Ackerman cause you want both front tyre building optimal slip angle to minimize trailling tyre drag cause you want speed, so they have nearly parallel forward trajectory that leads to a eternal drifting trend. But one aspect you would want more Ackerman to compensate for, it is the last trick to slow the body rotation, if your car is prone to spin when close to lock.
hope that make sense
Amazing video
Interesting video like always. I learn a lot even though I don't understand everything, anyway.
It is off topic but i take my chance 😉.
If you can make videos, one day:
- Which cheap cars or missile can we start learning drift in Europe in 2023?
In France, The bmw E36 or e46 went crazy because of the drift tax and there is less and less cars available with big 6 cylinder motor.
Is the a 320i E36 powerful enough to learn?
- the alternative of the bmw? Mercedes c230k or c280 manual? Could they be a good starting point for a beginner like me?
I really enjoy this type/style of video. The forward/side grip suggestion is great. In addition to that, while on topic, I would appreciate information on ways to tune for each (basic guidelines). I understand it is a complex subject and vehicle dependent, but I imagine there are typical/logical ways to approach each.
The Z4 thing is definitely, a thing. I have one in addition to an E46 and they're lightyears apart in terms of stability upon initiation and transition. What I don't understand is why they're so radically different. The Z4 has a 98 inch WB and roughly 70 percent in track width. These specs are nearly the same as an S chassis, yet the behavior is profoundly different. This has been confirmed by other drivers. There has to be some other factor compounding this nervousness - weight distribution, roll center, center of gravity - something. Conversely, I can drive the E46 like I have a bunch of broken toys in my head and it's manageable, even with my less than impressive driving talent. I would expect the Z4 to be more of a handful, but not to such an extreme degree. They even share suspension type with many parts being interchangeable. Any thoughts? And, what would be your approach to help with this issue?
Oh, and please keep the videos coming, especially the technical variety.
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I'm biased to liking the Miata (my first car) but, the good ole' 240sx was so much easier to throw around and catch. Although like others said, start in the Miata and other makes and models felt easier to get the hang of sliding around with.
Interesting take on Wheel length-to-width ratio. Let's for experiment's sake say that stock Silvia S15's ratio is golden (Len. 2525mm / Wid. 1730mm = 1.46) and now, lets compare a g35 (Len. 2850mm / Wid. 1815mm = 1.57) which is a total boat. Does this theory mean that if we widen the G35 enough, so that it's wheel length to width ration gets close to 1.46 it becomes as s snappy as S15? Looks like something that needs to be found out.
In theory it does, but the properties of the suspension also change because of that.
There is approximately 700 pounds difference between those cars. That weight will make them feel totally different. The g35, It's like drifting the s15 with a car full of football players/ballist boys.
I just lost it “one gay guy” lmao love the vids wout
Haha nobody picked up on that
All that weight in the rear also forces Odi to run stoooopid soft setup's. Thats my issue with relocating radiators & crap. If I want a "soft" setup & still be able to maneuver I'd rather a soft low camber front & mid soft/stiffer ass end car (Stiffening rear for maneuverability) .
I don't like the front end push all that rear weight gives early corner-mid corner & especially having to wait on the rear end crab walking in late corner. Although very very consistent nonetheless on our American tracks I couldn't see the car ever being competitive on something like DMEC Austria for example. It's def all setup based.
The longer wheelbase cars like the chasers imo are most consistent, but the new supra & the old FD (my personal fav) are the superior most versatile cars imo without much setup changes track to track
My E30 is on 17s. 225/45/17 up front, 265-245-225 at rear depending on availability. Rear toe/camber adjustment plates made HUGE difference at e30. It was a different car to drift. The car started to drift by itself once it was sideways it wasnt straighting itself, the transactions were a lot easier aswell. By the way i do have a e28 535i rear end on mine (then added toe/camber plates for adjustment)
Yep, makes a lot of sense. Which track do you usually go?
@@DriftJesus mostly go-kart sized tracks and loads of parking spot events in Turkey. So mostly slow corners. Never had a track where i can shove into 4th gear yet :) nowadays most of the events start to turn to gymkhana style events, which are even slowing down the cars a lot more which i don't like tbh.
volvos 740 and 940s are good too, have a 740 turbo volvo mostly stock just zf swap 5speed, welded diff, cut knuckles and cheap bc's. these are also still cheap and the engine is 2.3 sohc with a huge rear sump so easy to work on and reliable oiling. it wont win you fd pro2, but great for grassroots driving. got the 740t for 400 bucks, blown hg.
They are pretty great, I would like to build a 242 for drifting. And 240's in general are also great but they lack power and turbo models are super rare.
And nice and beefy!
Im currently building my NC Miata as my first drift car that i bought with a blown motor and immediately swapped in the 2.5 Ford Duratec in it's only making 170 whp and its underpowered but still twitchy and im struggling to understand what to do with my alignment to make it more driveable especially when i turbocharge it, for reference it is 92" (nearly) and only around 1200kg
Even though it's not the same in regards to suspension design, I ran an NA for years. It felt best with a large front sway bar, stock rear bar, and lower caster (4-5° max). Also ran a wider front track width compared to the rear. The car will always be twitchy compared to other chassis, but this should help slow things down a little bit.
There's an old video from like 7 years ago on my channel called "GDC Test Day" that has some in-car footage if you want to see how much steering input was required.
@@TeamBreakshift thank you
I drift an s550 mustang, and the car is pretty snappy but controllable with its 107 wheel base. I heard that the car gains caster as you turn, which explains why the steering is slow at slow speeds and fast at faster drifts. How would you make a car like the s550 easier to drift
Dynamic caster, who wouldve thought that.😂
@@fujiki5507 ikr, its and interesting chassis, even its suspension design is extremely similar to the f80 and g80 bmws front and rear
@@tagallstar I'm in east asia and never have got my hand on a mustang. I think Chelsea knows the mustang chassis very well but didnt saw him talk about it on suspension geometry aspect. IMO the mustang is a little too big for competition level, as JD and Chelsea in FD long beach this year, we can think of that. But the mustang is good enough to take the driver to pro spec.
@@fujiki5507 in Chelsea’s video with Jordan from RKTunes, about Chelsea driving Jordon’s giveaway car Chelsea mentions how the s550 suspension setup is and feels very similar to the g80 bmws. I came to the conclusion bout the similarities from my own research and looking at my car. It is pretty big compared to the average cars ppl drift. But in my opinion the driver with a fair setup can push any car to the top of FD
@@tagallstar As Wout had just talked about in his recent videos, based on our grassroot drifter experience, a bigger car will need more time and space to transit, although good setups and faster driver inputs can compensate, still has its limits. A bigger car will definitely have disadvantage on some type of tracks
What’s your opinion on FAT DP angle kits looks like wisefab does it handle like it
On your lastest short the comment area is unavailable for comment. I thought visual doesn't not match the sound.
Oh weird!
@@DriftJesus the guess the car with the hood is the post with no comment area. Sorry for any confusion if that was not the last short you posted
@@BBox-3is oh right. No idea how that doesn't work
Too bad the e60 is the ugliest bmw