Guys, we ended up doing the same thing- bought our SS48 (Karma) and ended up deciding it was time to do a total refit- we thought initially it would be a three month system upgrade when we started and have now spent nearly a year totally gutting any systems, mechanical, electrical, plumbing, rigging, etcetera- in many ways we have re-built our boat. it has been at the same time frustrating, financially terrifying and scary in terms of scope-BUT- in the long run (and this boat is the long run) we will end up with a boat that we know inside and out, a boat that was amazing with caveats that will now be amazing in every way. If you are able to see the end, you will make this project work! you will have a boat you can trust with your lives to be your vehicle for a lifetime of adventure! Congrats for your approach and your can-do spirit, it is amazing to watch. If you need any ideas for systems, we are always happy to share our research with you to help you anyway we can.
Thank you for sharing your story with us and we absolutely agree with you. However, we have also realized and learned that she may not be 100% compatible with our plans and needs and we will have to see how we proceed in the future. But now we will make her better than before. We wish you continued success for your projects!
I think your attitude and drive is amazing, you seem to be so positive about everything, you are inspirational, you will get there and have an awesome yacht to continue your dream adventure. Stay the course, we want to see you in NZ one day. Take care 🥰
I wish I was as brave as both of you. As frackie said, life is not what we planned, its what we're dealt. Your both an truth inspiration of hope. I tried to a buy catamaran, but it scarred to the hell. A shelved dream.
Thank you so much! We are also often scared or we have fears and we think that’s ok. We think it belongs to this lifestyle but it should be within reason. So don’t stress yourself - there are so many wonderful things to do!
First, my sympathy with this disaster. Second, my admiration for you both being able to switch your focus from sailing/traveling to repairing. That must have been very hard but you did it! This experiance will make you stronger in the end.
It is really hard, and sometimes makes me (Frankie) sad as it’s not what I wanted, but we are trying to go with the flow ..😌 Thanks for your kind words!
I can't even imagine what you are going through. I came upon your channel on the video that this whole problem started. I have been in the composite business for over 35 years and I can only say you are going about this the right way. Slow and steady. Hopefully you find the right people to help you with the hull repair. Good luck to you both Keep the faith my fingers are crossed for the best possible outcome .
It definitely looks as if you are both in the right frame of mind to tackle the upcoming remedial work to fix the hull. You are absolutely right to take this unique opportunity to thoroughly maintain and upgrade and fix all other issues with the boat. When you get back into the water you will have almost a new boat that you will know every inch (or mm) of. It will be a better and safer vessel. Use the time to explore possible "nice to have" upgrades too.
I enjoy your videos. 😌 I feel bad for you with the damage to the boat. I’m hoping you’re able to work thru it. I’m sure it is discouraging. Hopefully you’re to make the best of it. Wishing you success. 👍 🙂
If you decide to stay with this repair to the end, you will understand the structure of your boat better than most sailors. Understand that major repairs on boats always takes more time than is expected but it is certainly possible to rebuild your boat and to end up with a better boat than when she was built. Whether the effort you are applying is the fastest/best path to resuming your dreams won't be answered until later and that is the tough part. We truly wish you guys the best. J&J SV Sueno
So sorry to watch all of this unfold. A bit confused as to why insurance is not picking up all that is needed for you to get back on the water, but appreciate anything that can be done to move things along yourselves just helps. Best wishes that all keeps moving appropriately. Love the channel.
Thanks for being here with us! 🥰 Our insurance is of good help but things are really going slowly as many people are involved. But we are hanging in there .. All the best to you too!
I understand why you may not be able to discuss how your insurance covers this problem. When an appropriate time comes, I would love to hear about your experience with boat insurance. I have had sailboats (two 30', 42', and presently a 50') for over 25 years and have wondered if the coverage would actually be a benefit given a problem such as yours or a demasting.
It would be nice if things could move along faster for you but that's the world of insurance before the repairs begin. At our club we take the masts down every year and we always take the instruments off the mast before we lift them. A few don't and someone usually has some damage. We use a 90 degree drill and bit to sent someone up the mast as we do several in a day. Lifting under the top spreader on a double spreader mast with a 30 foot nylon strap so the hook does not hit the mast plus a second strap off the crane. That way the mast is hanging down and won't flip once it clears the deck. Thanks for the update and all the best, cheers.
Thanks once again for a video showing progress albeit not so fast. This video you used more background music which I felt added a nice touch. Keep positive as it will eventually be complete and all back together.
Make sure to remove the windspeed sensor and the Windex right after the mast is down. It will almost certainly get damaged in storage. Buy new cooter pins for when the mast comes back on, never ever use the old ones.
This s an annual occurrence in the northeast . The yard will have the mast out in an hour. Be sure to label the male and female plugs on the mast. Also get a small battery when the mast is out to test all electrical connections like lights etc at the top of the mast. Replace bulbs with LED while the mast is down
In my life I believe in 3 broad categories for evaluating my life. 1. work. 2. home. 3. friends/love. You all have 2 of the 3 domains in tough spots. Hang in there, eat yummy food, laugh and be gentle with each other. Also the females cleaning devotion reminds me of my wife.
Keep up the good work, I really feel with you. You’re really an inspiration! And be shure to reach out to the community if you need answers or support. I am good in problemsolving.. as a retired engineer, with a lot of experience of family heath problems, even bad stuff could have some good things. See it from the bright side…. And use downtime for mental recovery!! And support each other, thats the job of the partner, you look to be good at that!
Thanks for your kind words! You’re absolutely right, sometime there are good things even to worse if you are willing to see and except 😌 And we have great people here like you cheering us up! Wishing you all the best too!
As we are restrained from making certain remarks, one thing is for sure, after this is over you'll know your boat a lot better and be more confident in her.
To remove the mast first make sure all the electrical connections are disconnected and the wires will clear the opening in the. deck. Second, loosen the turnbuckles enough so they can be quickly undone but still leave a little tightness in the wire. In doing so you will need to remove the cooter pins , and spray the threads of the turnbuckles with WD40 or a similar spray . You want the turnbuckles to undo quickly once the crane operator engages the mast. Once all the shrouds and stays are free bundle them together at the mast and hold them in place with either tape or bungie cords.Then let the crane operator do his/her things. They have done this before; trust them. Before they start to lift the mast make sure you have place for them to set it down. Normally we use 3-4 saw horses as we don't want to lay it on the ground. Some yards have mast storage prepared and the crane operator will place the mast there. Once on the ground tag all of the rigging with identifying tags well attach so you know what goes where when you re-step it. Good luck.
Lable everything on all ends including shrouds and cables. Lables which will be exposed you might double, because over time and by moving the mast around you might lose lables. Take pictures of all connections with the lables on. This effort helps a lot when putting the mast back up.
@@patandfrankiethe 3 comments above are probably the most useful. Prep and document. The first comment was the best for ya. We unstepped masts on about 30 boats last month at my marina. Crane operators has the most experience so rely on them. Cheers! And watching with interest.😊
For unstepping a mast you have to trust the guy handling the crane. And yes, he or she is the key. It means letting things go for a bit. And put a tape on all the wires that come down so you know what's what. Also mark where they go to. Maybe I'm captain obvious but some people forget. Another tip on running rigging, the lines. They get salty and thus stiff. When it rains.....leave them in the rain......not under a dodger or bimini. The rain will take the salt off and no need for work. Last one on halyards. They are on blocks and rollers and when sailing always more or less in the same position. Meaning those places take all the loads and chave easily. Make sure the halyards have a few meters extra length. Then every month you shorten the halyards by a few centimeters ( depending on the diameters of the rollers) and your halyards will last many years. And funny....Frankie started talking about a thruhull and then switched to hullthru. Keep up the work and the good spirit. You will be crossing the Atlantic..........one day.
Don't look so sad at your work. Putting down sails or unstepping the mast are boat maintenance that has to be done once a time. Putting down the sails may be good to hand them to a sailmaker - he might find small things like weak seams. He will redo this with small money - but if not fixed might destroy your sail in harsh weather. For example a friends insurance wanted to put their contract down if he would not replace the shrouds and stags (20years). After putting down the mast we found other problems. We were glad to discover because every of that problems might have get us in serious trouble. Later a new antenna, antenna cable and new LED lights were very improving benefits of that work.
I just discovered your channel and immediately subscribe. Good luck for the repair, so sorry for you. Eager to see the next episodes. Pascal ( La Rochelle-France)
Hi! Here in Sweden, the mast is removed every fall when the boat is to be stored on land for the winter under a boathouse, because there is so much snow and ice here, and when spring comes and the boat is launched, the mast is put back. You become quite good at masting off and on attfer a couple of times, but the first time is always the hardest! I think that the Swedish OE32 that was next to you on land has now been launched.
A luxury to have covered winter storage, the majority of rigs round the globe stand tall 12 month's a year as covered storage is not available or not affordable.
Hi there! It does seem some nations like the Swedes are pretty routined/skilled at that 😁 It will be another thing we can add to our experience list. They are back in the water 👍
@@patandfrankie Hello again! I forgot to say that we take off and put on the mast on our sailboats in Sweden while the boats are in the water...a piece of art in itself :-) You will learn a lot and that is part of the journey. I think you are very talented. It will be exciting to follow the keel repair
@@CuriositySake Here in Sweden, it is cheap to have a boat because it has been arranged so that the boat owners are usually part of a non-profit association, so a 40-foot sailboat only costs about 800-1000 USD per year for both a berth in the water and a winter berth on land during the sailing season in the water is short May-Sept. Therefore we had our OE32 in Las Palmas Canary Islands (Spain). Warm and pleasant all year round.
Keep your chin up you two... It's all part of cruising... Sailing Kiana went up on a reef in the middle of the pacific... Harrowing experience... Stress plus... They managed with help to re-float her... You will get on top of this too.... Just keep plugging away...
La Vagabonde was demolished at anchor in Japanese waters as a heavy fishing vessel made from steel crashed right into it. Everyone was horribly shaken up.
We have heard about it! It's really terrible and we hope everyone is doing well under the circumstances. We also hope that they recover quickly and find a good solution for themselves as a family and for the boat. We are keeping our fingers crossed for them!
O.K. I have direct experience with this kind of thing. My brother bought a Benatue 36 some years ago and his structural grid broke loose from the hull. Apparently these boats have this problem as the glue they are using fails and the hull itself is thin and not strong enough to support the keel. The only way to access and repair the damage is remove the entire inside of the boat, cabinets, floors , so that the surfaces can be cleaned and the grid re bonded to the hull.The yard also reinforced the area around the keel bolts so that the hull could carry the keel weight. It cost him $60,000. for the work. Also be warned some of the keels have been known to fall off these boats. The French boats all belong to a Yacht group that builds these yachts in a factory much like an auto factory, on an assembly line. I suspect that quality control is an issue with the pressure to build these yachts to a price point, in large numbers.
Once everything is torn down and the extent of the damage is revealed l would be surprised if the cost to repair exceeds what the insurance company thinks the boat is worth. I hope you two get an answer soon so you can decide what's next. Fingers crossed that the damage is not too severe. Good luck!
Here a idea, not going to be choice but it be strong it's a T your trying mount to the center of the bottom and the hull not strong, why not used 2 solid steel straight through Cabin at to the roof and mount it high straight to the bottom that wouldn't flex at all, cause it has leveraged. It be strong, but it be an inconvenience 2 bar through the cabin.Walkway Lol
I suggest you get in touch with a couple with a youtube channel called EXPIDITION EVANS. They went thru the same disaster you are getting ready to undertake. the whole structure of their Beneteau was separated from the hull. Repairing it was quite a job. Good luck with your efforts
@@patandfrankie I hope you dug back into some of their early episodes to see what you are getting ready to deal with. You are suffering the same separation, structure from hull, they found and as a guy that came from the aircraft industry where we used pre-impregnated fiber glass and were working to build new, holy cow what a job. If you cannot get the marina to own up to their responsibility and do the repair correctly, you are taking on a job that will cost you a year and a lot of money. Good luck with you project. I'm sorry to repeat myself but ..........
Your Grand Soleil 46 has been a casting error from the beginning. Forget this wreck, take the insurance money and buy a real travel boat. Smaller, stronger, capable of long crossings and able to stand on her keel when the travel lift puts her ashore. Everything this Grand Soleil will never be able to do, no matter how extensive the repairs. There's absolutely no point in sanding the teak on the deck or cleaning the fenders on a wreck that's goog for the dustbin. And if you think I'm being too harsh, remember that I wrote to you at the beginning of September, when you put your first video of the damage online, that you should remove the mast to really see it's extent.
Thank you for your opinion. We have realized through this process and the 18 months on the boat that the Grand Soleil is probably really not 100% suitable for our project with our needs, although we really like her and she sails great. However, we can't take any money, as she probably won't be a total loss. We will therefore first repair her as best we can to make her stronger than before and then see how we can proceed in the best possible way.
@@patandfrankie Hey there are lots of people sailing around "not so perfect boats" and it works out excellently. I hear your advice Jefer... but i think its too early to be making a call like that, and at this stage its not even an offer that has been made. Most of what they are doing now comes at little expense and will give them a wealth of experience and sailing strength regardless of how this turns out. Even if the insurance "pays you out" for the boat being a right off, you may well be able to buy it from them as is for next to nothing (or nothing for they will save on wrecking fees), and that may leave you with a boat you can still make viable with the money or sell onwards. Hang in there, you are doing the right thing at this time for your finances and mental health. Cutting and running right now pre an insurance decision you can take time to consider will save you minimal time and always leave you wondering what if? Your relationship is super strong, and your story is a masterclass in being stoic and a side to these adventures most people have long since turned the cameras off too, but happen more often than you think. You two have got this!!
@@brianlee5216I keep thinking the same thing and at 8:16 and again at 8:50 there in the background is a far more suitable looking boat for ocean crossings. The Grand Soleil is a gorgeous boat for coastal cruising but not for extended ocean cruising, it would seem. I have a friend who made an offer on another Grand Soleil in Italy and the surveyor’s report could easily have been two words: run away! That boat also had serious structural damage. I also have friends who have had similar experiences with modern boats and have now bought 20 and 30 year old boats built more solidly with skeg hung rudders and good scantlings for €70,000 or €80,00. After they stripped them and fixed or replaced all systems, rigging and sails at a cost of €100,000 they essentially had a great new boat for well under €200,000, that they knew intimately and which they could confidently sail anywhere. Maybe not such a bad idea for anyone contemplating a journey such as yours.
I have been a victim of a bad Marina broke the steel on my Santana 35 still pissed about it.! Feel bad for you guys I get it! You know y’all should go ahead and put up a go fund me. There’s a lot of people out there that will kick in a couple bucks.
I was just wondering do you think that boat was ran aground before you bought it. I wonder if the insurance guy could tell if the stress was from the front or the side. It just seems like a lot of damage from just setting it down. Good luck ....
Hi guys, I am a bit confused or maybe I have missed something but why are you doing all this stripping of the internals and mast . I would have thought that teh insurance company would have organized this or is it the case the insurance company has given you the OK to do this preparatory work. Can you advise if a surveyor has looked at the boat and given a scope of work to be done. No criticism here just curious.
Hi there! Thanks for your question! The surveyor from our insurance said that in order to be able to define the damage and in the next step find a solution, he needs to see the entire scope (that’s why the floor needs to go) and also the area under/around the keel. So we are going step by step to remove everything 😉
@patandfrankie this still does not make any sense. As i understand it, the insurance is supposed to cover you from the point of damage, to the repair being completed or you being paid out for the boat... I'v never heard of insurance where you have to help them through the process by doing work yourself.
We are aware of this, but we also wanted to bridge the interim period so as not to lose any time. We also deliberately only worked on non-critical parts.
Hi! Thanks for your message! It is a insurance process but the boat jobs we do, we do privately but we wanted to do them any way and for all the other things we have specialist helping/working on the boat.
The boat is in the Canary Islands and we live here in apartments or with friends on the boat. We can't go anywhere else because the boat is the only thing we have.
There is only one way to "unstep" your mast....Call in a crane and professionals. It is heavier than you might think and you will damage the boat for sure. If you try winching it down from the fore sail fitting, probably ripping the fore sail fitting out. You can do it that way on a small yacht, but not on yours. The work of ripping the boat apart is also really necessary, you must let the surveyor see the hull from the inside, I am sure that it is repairable, but you MUST do some short journeys, in rough seas and strong wind CLOSE TO SHORE, and with a seaworthy inflatable in tow (just in case) to test the hull once it is fixed. DO NOT go straight out to open water....If you do you will be heading for disaster. Test the boat for at least 300 n.miles in all weathers, before setting out across the Atlantic. Regularly check the areas that are repaired. To do this you might have to rebuild the floor, with large inspection panels. Even install lights under the floor to make sure you do not miss anything.
To be honest .. to stay busy and not spend too much time sitting around contemplating about the unknown. There’s nothing much we can do as we don’t want to leave the boat for a longer time 😉
Although you guys had a HUGE curveball thrown your way, you are inspirational. I’m sure we don’t see all the most emotionally hard times you guys are facing, you do seem to be coping. This hard time will pass, one way or the other, and you’ll still have each other. One day when all is fixed and done and you’re sailing the world again, you’ll look back on a unique adventure. I had a period in my life I would NEVER in a million years have chosen to go through..however thirty five years later some of my most vivid memories are of that situation, and they are not all bad. In fact some of the most interesting stories I have to tell, are precisely because I went through that.
Is this an insurance claim? If so why are you taking the boat apart? That is all part of the insurance claim! I only see this causing problems. Remember insurance companies look for ways not to pay or reduce what they pay
I dont understand why you are doing this including painting the hull and sanding the deck !! . Are you 100% sure it will be perfectly repaired ? I would not be safe in the middle of the ocean with big waves in a structural damaged hull. Only my opinion sorry, but the cracks are huge for me. Time to sell the boat repaired (or not, informing ofc) for a fair price. Despite all of this, you are a strong, and confident pair, i love it 😊
Thanks for your advice. Yes, we are very sure that she will be stronger than before. We don't know what we're going to do with her yet, but we want to keep sailing. ⛵️
The sound of cracking you heard when the boat was rested on the keel was not of the grid breaking but merely moving, as it was already broken. The reason boat insurance is so expensive is because of all these production boats and their build methods. The damage to your boat has nothing to do with the yard. It is the the pathetic way they are designed and built. Glueing a structural grid to a hull is the whole problem. This design feature is all about speed of construction at the cost of longevity of the vessel and the safety of the crews sail them. These methods should be banned industrywide. all boat owners who have insurance are paying the price for the loss or the repair of these boats. I see people in the comments saying that the yard should be paying for the damage, but that is so wrong, because they had nothing to do with it. Maybe you should sue the manufacturer for building a product that is not up to their sales pitch.
Very important comment, right on topic. It was a well overpriced "good looking" boat for the first owner. A dangerous one of following owners. I´ve been seeing this for more than 20 years in this industry.
Thanks for your sharing your thoughts. We understand and share your concerns about the manufacturing means of mass production boats. Although please avoid making assumptions about the state our boat was in. It would be a miracle if you know this from miles away .. 😉
@@patandfrankie thanks for your response. I don’t believe I’m making assumptions from miles away though more just commenting on the fact that there are so many boats with exactly the same problem and all it takes is a slight bump on the sea bed and the grid fails. It’s the same as Lagoon catamaran that just bog the deck to the hull, and they have bulkhead issues, bonding issues and it’s all because the manufacturers use the cheapest way to build a boat and have no concern about the life span of that boat. All the people who sail them. None of these cheaply built boats should be used for crossing oceans. And the fact that they sell them as cruising boats to punters is affecting the whole boating community who are all footing the bill for novices who jump on boats that they think are great and sound but in effect are potential death traps. This of course is my opinion but I think you’ll find many old salts will agree..
@@patandfrankie Make sure to get everything in writing. Our experience with our insurance has been long and arduous. Communication from them has been very poor. Ultimately, their surveyor approved all the work but it took 3 months to get the payment to start fixing things. The vendor now says Jan 2025 to finish. :( However, these delays mean extra marina chargers so it's going to cost more than the approved estimate.
@@slo007thanks for the advice. We agree, everything takes a lot of time. We try to get as much as we can in writing. We wish you all the best for your repairs and the timeline!
El trabajo más árduo es desmontar y volver a montar todo el interior. El barco de Expedition Evans estaba mucho peor que el vuestro y ahí está, navegando.
Whatever will happen with the repairs, try to prepare for another kind of keel. Now when everything will be taken out from inside it is the right time to do that. To do this I can imagine that there will have to be big jobs with the hull. I cant see any other way for the future. To just repair to what it was from the beginning will leave you with an unsafe boat with many risks in different situations.
Can you clarify why do are stripping the boat down at your time & expense? Surely the insurance company should cover all this and in the mean time you could be earning money elsewhere??????
Luckily we are getting good support from our insurance. We live(d) and work on the boat so working on something else was only possible to a limited extend
@@patandfrankie Best of luck to you both. That is certainly heartbreaking I know first hand. Some years back we had a steel trawler 50'. We bought it when our 4 kids were young had it gutted and hired the finest cabinet makers to convert it to accommodate the family. We traveled thousand of miles and being self employed we would take the summers off and just live and travel on the boat all summer. after 18 years we brought it in for winter storage to a new marina and ordered the marina to winterize it this was in early Oct. In late December I get a call from the owners son who was always stoned and he says hey man i'm winterizing your boat and I cut in and said your doing it now after 2 1/2 months and he respond ha ya man were busy. He asks how big is your waste tank it must be huge i've been flushing & pumping water in for at least two hours, I respond STOP your an idiot. We went to check our boat in mid January and the entire bilge was full of yellowish brown water right up to the sole. 2" from the floor. 70 gallons of waste plus hundreds of gallons of water were eating away at our steel hull from the inside and no way to stop it until spring. That spring they declared bankruptcy. No matter what we tried their was no way to stop the destruction. The following summer while hauling out for maintenance our keel collapsed. Had it rebuilt but holes started popping up everywhere. Our beloved Sunadan that our kids grew up on was destroyed because of an idiot. Insurance would not cover it because of fine print on storage and winterizing dates. I understand your problems, good luck.
@@IamSpectre2020 Oh no, we are very sorry about that and it is an incredible story. But after this time and the experiences we have had, we can understand it very well. We hope you didn't let it get you down and continued to work towards your goals/dreams. We are currently trying but it is (although we have insurance) economically and emotionally quite difficult. Thank you for your support! It definitely helps us and thanks for sharing.
Sorry Frankie, that bottom is just enough to hold - not quality. For me the quality at the bottom begins beyond an inch. I'm sooo sad for you. That's devastating.
Oh the Irony....... So a Boatyard drops a boat; but will ultimately profit from an overextended stay, work generated through carrying out the repairs and publicity of being able to do the repairs and being broadcast doing it...... Crazy but True Business Model. Good Luck Guys.....
Hi there, we can’t go into detail about the process as it’s not clarified, but they didn’t drop it. It is an extensive repair job to do, we get what you are saying .. Nonetheless it was unplanned and caused troubles for them on other ends too.
@patandfrankie well, the damage of popping the matrix off the inside of the hull suggests it was more a kinetic event; than a settling event. And if I recall the video of the incident, you told of a Loud Bang at the time, heard all over the boat yard. So put us straight...... please.
Once again, we ask for your understanding that we cannot say anything about the cause of the damage while we are still in this process. All we can say is that it is not clear and may never be clear. We hope we can explain what our guess is at the end of the process, after we have put all the pieces of the puzzle together.
I always wonderHow you do it…to make such thumbnails ,with both in such a position,that both anxious faces are right on the foto, Does it takes many takes to come up with such a thing?? Ps that goes off course not only for your channel,maybe some day i made a collage off all those ridiculous faces off all those channels….
Hi, it’s not so difficult .. you just think about your situation 😂 Sometimes we just take a snap from filming and sometimes one of us says “this situation is so much what it’s about” and grabs the camera. We’ll probably laugh about them in years too - but it’s fun making them 😊
@patandfrankie fantastic looking yacht thanks so much , for letting me no how big she is, well wish you pair a peaceful night's sleep in your yacht to night Al the best Andy
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Guys, we ended up doing the same thing- bought our SS48 (Karma) and ended up deciding it was time to do a total refit- we thought initially it would be a three month system upgrade when we started and have now spent nearly a year totally gutting any systems, mechanical, electrical, plumbing, rigging, etcetera- in many ways we have re-built our boat. it has been at the same time frustrating, financially terrifying and scary in terms of scope-BUT- in the long run (and this boat is the long run) we will end up with a boat that we know inside and out, a boat that was amazing with caveats that will now be amazing in every way. If you are able to see the end, you will make this project work! you will have a boat you can trust with your lives to be your vehicle for a lifetime of adventure! Congrats for your approach and your can-do spirit, it is amazing to watch. If you need any ideas for systems, we are always happy to share our research with you to help you anyway we can.
Thank you for sharing your story with us and we absolutely agree with you. However, we have also realized and learned that she may not be 100% compatible with our plans and needs and we will have to see how we proceed in the future. But now we will make her better than before.
We wish you continued success for your projects!
It's amazing how the both of you are handling it. I am pulling for you that it will be quicker than you think.
Thank so much, making us smile reading this 😊
@@patandfrankie I am a photographer, so I try to make people smile cuz you don't know what kind of day they are having. 😄
I think your attitude and drive is amazing, you seem to be so positive about everything, you are inspirational, you will get there and have an awesome yacht to continue your dream adventure. Stay the course, we want to see you in NZ one day. Take care 🥰
Thank you very much for the kind words 🫶🏼 We hope so, we will continue to work for it. It would be nice to make it all the way to New Zealand ⛵️
I wish I was as brave as both of you. As frackie said, life is not what we planned, its what we're dealt. Your both an truth inspiration of hope. I tried to a buy catamaran, but it scarred to the hell. A shelved dream.
Thank you so much! We are also often scared or we have fears and we think that’s ok. We think it belongs to this lifestyle but it should be within reason. So don’t stress yourself - there are so many wonderful things to do!
Stay strong. You will get there in the end and will be the stronger and wiser because of this huge challenge you are facing.
One day at a time. X
Thank you so much for your kind words and your support!
First, my sympathy with this disaster. Second, my admiration for you both being able to switch your focus from sailing/traveling to repairing. That must have been very hard but you did it! This experiance will make you stronger in the end.
It is really hard, and sometimes makes me (Frankie) sad as it’s not what I wanted, but we are trying to go with the flow ..😌
Thanks for your kind words!
Hang in there guys...It sucks, but you will have a better, stronger boat when its done.
Thank you, we hope so too!
I can't even imagine what you are going through. I came upon your channel on the video that this whole problem started. I have been in the composite business for over 35 years and I can only say you are going about this the right way. Slow and steady. Hopefully you find the right people to help you with the hull repair. Good luck to you both Keep the faith my fingers are crossed for the best possible outcome .
Hi there! It’s nice to hear you are (still) with us after we had to take those offline. Thanks for your uplifting words! 😊
Well done, Pat and Frankie! I love your videos. Keep up the great work!
Thank you so much 😊
It definitely looks as if you are both in the right frame of mind to tackle the upcoming remedial work to fix the hull. You are absolutely right to take this unique opportunity to thoroughly maintain and upgrade and fix all other issues with the boat. When you get back into the water you will have almost a new boat that you will know every inch (or mm) of. It will be a better and safer vessel. Use the time to explore possible "nice to have" upgrades too.
Sometimes it feels silly, but good to hear you can relate with the maintenance jobs 😊 thanks for cheering us up!
OMG I admire your positivity going through this ordeal... Best of luck!
Hey, thanks a lot for your kind words! Some days are hard, some are good .. overall we don’t have much choice, except how to deal with it 😌
Such a bummer, much love, and speeding too get back in the water.
Thank you 🙏
Hey just want you both know that I have the biggest hugs for you both stay strong
Thank you 😊
I enjoy your videos. 😌
I feel bad for you with the damage to the boat. I’m hoping you’re able to work thru it. I’m sure it is discouraging. Hopefully you’re
to make the best of it. Wishing you success. 👍 🙂
Thank you very much. We try our best to work thru it 😊
Great progress and good mindset in a difficult time - but astonished the insurance is not acting faster
Thank you! We think one of the reasons is that the damage is greater than initially thought and the damage analysis takes more time.
If you decide to stay with this repair to the end, you will understand the structure of your boat better than most sailors. Understand that major repairs on boats always takes more time than is expected but it is certainly possible to rebuild your boat and to end up with a better boat than when she was built. Whether the effort you are applying is the fastest/best path to resuming your dreams won't be answered until later and that is the tough part. We truly wish you guys the best. J&J SV Sueno
Thanks for your words! 🙏 It is a tough path but we are taking it step by step .. All the best to you too!
So sorry to watch all of this unfold. A bit confused as to why insurance is not picking up all that is needed for you to get back on the water, but appreciate anything that can be done to move things along yourselves just helps. Best wishes that all keeps moving appropriately. Love the channel.
Thanks for being here with us! 🥰
Our insurance is of good help but things are really going slowly as many people are involved. But we are hanging in there ..
All the best to you too!
@ Definitely hang in there. We need Pat & Frankie. 🙂❤️
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I understand why you may not be able to discuss how your insurance covers this problem. When an appropriate time comes, I would love to hear about your experience with boat insurance. I have had sailboats (two 30', 42', and presently a 50') for over 25 years and have wondered if the coverage would actually be a benefit given a problem such as yours or a demasting.
I sure hope all end’s well ❤
It would be nice if things could move along faster for you but that's the world of insurance before the repairs begin.
At our club we take the masts down every year and we always take the instruments off the mast before we lift them. A few don't and someone usually has some damage. We use a 90 degree drill and bit to sent someone up the mast as we do several in a day. Lifting under the top spreader on a double spreader mast with a 30 foot nylon strap so the hook does not hit the mast plus a second strap off the crane. That way the mast is hanging down and won't flip once it clears the deck.
Thanks for the update and all the best, cheers.
Hi, thanks for your input! Hearing that for some people it’s a routine makes it a little less scary!
I wish you both the best on this next endeavor. Is going to be a big undertaking, but you will know your boat so much better.
Thanks! It does feel like there is little space left we haven’t got a glimpse on .. 😉 Definitely a positive thing about this
Thanks once again for a video showing progress albeit not so fast. This video you used more background music which I felt added a nice touch. Keep positive as it will eventually be complete and all back together.
Thanks for watching and your uplifting words Kerry 🥰
We are glad you enjoyed the music!
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Hello you two from the HI, now it's time to wait until your sailboat is seaworthy again. I wish you a lot of strength and patience during this time.
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Hi! Thank for your wishes 🥰
Make sure to remove the windspeed sensor and the Windex right after the mast is down. It will almost certainly get damaged in storage. Buy new cooter pins for when the mast comes back on, never ever use the old ones.
Hi, thanks for your advice! We’ll make sure to do so 😌
I like you, thanks for sharing, and keep up the hard work!
Thank you 😊
Good luck guys ❤❤❤
@@markjenkins905 thank you!! 🫶
Nice to hear all the sailing name great memories thanks
Thanks!
This s an annual occurrence in the northeast . The yard will have the mast out in an hour. Be sure to label the male and female plugs on the mast. Also get a small battery when the mast is out to test all electrical connections like lights etc at the top of the mast. Replace bulbs with LED while the mast is down
Thanks for your advice! 😊
In my life I believe in 3 broad categories for evaluating my life. 1. work. 2. home. 3. friends/love. You all have 2 of the 3 domains in tough spots. Hang in there, eat yummy food, laugh and be gentle with each other. Also the females cleaning devotion reminds me of my wife.
Interesting view, definitely 3 big pillars and it does feel like many things being are shaken .. thanks for sending is positive energy 🥰
Keep up the good work, I really feel with you. You’re really an inspiration! And be shure to reach out to the community if you need answers or support. I am good in problemsolving.. as a retired engineer, with a lot of experience of family heath problems, even bad stuff could have some good things. See it from the bright side…. And use downtime for mental recovery!! And support each other, thats the job of the partner, you look to be good at that!
Thanks for your kind words! You’re absolutely right, sometime there are good things even to worse if you are willing to see and except 😌
And we have great people here like you cheering us up!
Wishing you all the best too!
As we are restrained from making certain remarks, one thing is for sure, after this is over you'll know your boat a lot better and be more confident in her.
First of all we really appreciate your respect for this difficult situation!! 🫶 And even more cheering us up, with something positive 😊
A sailboat without a sail ....,.that's probably not such a great feeling 🥲you are very strong ...a great team ...😎
That’s true - it’s not a great feeling.. Thank you so much 🫶🏼
To remove the mast first make sure all the electrical connections are disconnected and the wires will clear the opening in the. deck. Second, loosen the turnbuckles enough so they can be quickly undone but still leave a little tightness in the wire. In doing so you will need to remove the cooter pins , and spray the threads of the turnbuckles with WD40 or a similar spray . You want the turnbuckles to undo quickly once the crane operator engages the mast. Once all the shrouds and stays are free bundle them together at the mast and hold them in place with either tape or bungie cords.Then let the crane operator do his/her things. They have done this before; trust them. Before they start to lift the mast make sure you have place for them to set it down. Normally we use 3-4 saw horses as we don't want to lay it on the ground. Some yards have mast storage prepared and the crane operator will place the mast there. Once on the ground tag all of the rigging with identifying tags well attach so you know what goes where when you re-step it. Good luck.
Lable everything on all ends including shrouds and cables.
Lables which will be exposed you might double, because over time and by moving the mast around you might lose lables.
Take pictures of all connections with the lables on.
This effort helps a lot when putting the mast back up.
Once on the ground immediately remove your wind speed/direction from top of the mast as they get easily damaged or get legs…good luck!
@bobgranafei6809 Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
We do trust the crane operator will do a good job and by collecting some tips we’ll be prepared ☺️
Thanks for the input guys!
Taking photos of everything is something we’ve learned now - makes it so much easier to get stuff back in it’s place 😅
@@patandfrankiethe 3 comments above are probably the most useful. Prep and document. The first comment was the best for ya. We unstepped masts on about 30 boats last month at my marina. Crane operators has the most experience so rely on them. Cheers! And watching with interest.😊
She looks a great yatch stunning
Thanks!
Standing with you from a far and hoping that it's all going to work out, one way or another. ⚓️⛵️🛟⚓️⛵️🛟⚓️
Thanks so much!! 😊
For unstepping a mast you have to trust the guy handling the crane. And yes, he or she is the key. It means letting things go for a bit. And put a tape on all the wires that come down so you know what's what. Also mark where they go to. Maybe I'm captain obvious but some people forget. Another tip on running rigging, the lines. They get salty and thus stiff. When it rains.....leave them in the rain......not under a dodger or bimini. The rain will take the salt off and no need for work. Last one on halyards. They are on blocks and rollers and when sailing always more or less in the same position. Meaning those places take all the loads and chave easily. Make sure the halyards have a few meters extra length. Then every month you shorten the halyards by a few centimeters ( depending on the diameters of the rollers) and your halyards will last many years. And funny....Frankie started talking about a thruhull and then switched to hullthru.
Keep up the work and the good spirit. You will be crossing the Atlantic..........one day.
Hi! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and the great tips! 😊
I always get mixed up with that word 😅
Don't look so sad at your work. Putting down sails or unstepping the mast are boat maintenance that has to be done once a time.
Putting down the sails may be good to hand them to a sailmaker - he might find small things like weak seams. He will redo this with small money - but if not fixed might destroy your sail in harsh weather.
For example a friends insurance wanted to put their contract down if he would not replace the shrouds and stags (20years). After putting down the mast we found other problems. We were glad to discover because every of that problems might have get us in serious trouble. Later a new antenna, antenna cable and new LED lights were very improving benefits of that work.
You are absolutely right! It’s just making us sad that all the plans we had are thrown out the window ..
I just discovered your channel and immediately subscribe. Good luck for the repair, so sorry for you. Eager to see the next episodes. Pascal ( La Rochelle-France)
Hi Pascal! Thanks for your message here! We are happy to have you “onboard” ☺️
Thanks for your wishes and the best to you too!
done fully disconnect mast rigging till crane in sight ,just free all screws and fittings so mast is safe in up position. safety first.
Thanks for your advice and feedback!
Hi! Here in Sweden, the mast is removed every fall when the boat is to be stored on land for the winter under a boathouse, because there is so much snow and ice here, and when spring comes and the boat is launched, the mast is put back. You become quite good at masting off and on attfer a couple of times, but the first time is always the hardest! I think that the Swedish OE32 that was next to you on land has now been launched.
A luxury to have covered winter storage, the majority of rigs round the globe stand tall 12 month's a year as covered storage is not available or not affordable.
Hi there! It does seem some nations like the Swedes are pretty routined/skilled at that 😁 It will be another thing we can add to our experience list.
They are back in the water 👍
@@patandfrankie Hello again! I forgot to say that we take off and put on the mast on our sailboats in Sweden while the boats are in the water...a piece of art in itself :-) You will learn a lot and that is part of the journey. I think you are very talented. It will be exciting to follow the keel repair
@@CuriositySake Here in Sweden, it is cheap to have a boat because it has been arranged so that the boat owners are usually part of a non-profit association, so a 40-foot sailboat only costs about 800-1000 USD per year for both a berth in the water and a winter berth on land during the sailing season in the water is short May-Sept. Therefore we had our OE32 in Las Palmas Canary Islands (Spain). Warm and pleasant all year round.
That’s what we heard is more common 💦 when it goes back on some time in the future then we’ll maybe also get that experience 😄
Thanks for being here!
Keep your chin up you two... It's all part of cruising... Sailing Kiana went up on a reef in the middle of the pacific... Harrowing experience... Stress plus... They managed with help to re-float her... You will get on top of this too.... Just keep plugging away...
Thanks for your words 😌🫶
Put the lines in a pillowcase and wash them in a washing machine with a little conditioner. They will come out like new.
Thanks for the tip - we’ll try it!
La Vagabonde was demolished at anchor in Japanese waters as a heavy fishing vessel made from steel crashed right into it. Everyone was horribly shaken up.
We have heard about it! It's really terrible and we hope everyone is doing well under the circumstances. We also hope that they recover quickly and find a good solution for themselves as a family and for the boat. We are keeping our fingers crossed for them!
O.K. I have direct experience with this kind of thing. My brother bought a Benatue 36 some years ago and his structural grid broke loose from the hull. Apparently these boats have this problem as the glue they are using fails and the hull itself is thin and not strong enough to support the keel. The only way to access and repair the damage is remove the entire inside of the boat, cabinets, floors , so that the surfaces can be cleaned and the grid re bonded to the hull.The yard also reinforced the area around the keel bolts so that the hull could carry the keel weight. It cost him $60,000. for the work. Also be warned some of the keels have been known to fall off these boats. The French boats all belong to a Yacht group that builds these yachts in a factory much like an auto factory, on an assembly line. I suspect that quality control is an issue with the pressure to build these yachts to a price point, in large numbers.
Thanks for sharing your brothers experience! It’s a big undertaking!
We hope his boat is doing well after the repairs ⛵️
Bullshit.
Once everything is torn down and the extent of the damage is revealed l would be surprised if the cost to repair exceeds what the insurance company thinks the boat is worth. I hope you two get an answer soon so you can decide what's next. Fingers crossed that the damage is not too severe. Good luck!
Thanks for crossing the finger 🙏 it seems she is not a total loss ..
Here a idea, not going to be choice but it be strong it's a T your trying mount to the center of the bottom and the hull not strong, why not used 2 solid steel straight through Cabin at to the roof and mount it high straight to the bottom that wouldn't flex at all, cause it has leveraged. It be strong, but it be an inconvenience 2 bar through the cabin.Walkway Lol
Thanks for your input! Once we know how it’ll be repaired we’ll share it with you
I suggest you get in touch with a couple with a youtube channel called EXPIDITION EVANS. They went thru the same disaster you are getting ready to undertake. the whole structure of their Beneteau was separated from the hull. Repairing it was quite a job. Good luck with your efforts
Thanks for your wishes! We’ve watched some of their episodes
@@patandfrankie I hope you dug back into some of their early episodes to see what you are getting ready to deal with. You are suffering the same separation, structure from hull, they found and as a guy that came from the aircraft industry where we used pre-impregnated fiber glass and were working to build new, holy cow what a job. If you cannot get the marina to own up to their responsibility and do the repair correctly, you are taking on a job that will cost you a year and a lot of money. Good luck with you project. I'm sorry to repeat myself but ..........
@@jerrysanders4973Thank you very much for your wishes.
Your Grand Soleil 46 has been a casting error from the beginning.
Forget this wreck, take the insurance money and buy a real travel boat. Smaller, stronger, capable of long crossings and able to stand on her keel when the travel lift puts her ashore.
Everything this Grand Soleil will never be able to do, no matter how extensive the repairs.
There's absolutely no point in sanding the teak on the deck or cleaning the fenders on a wreck that's goog for the dustbin.
And if you think I'm being too harsh, remember that I wrote to you at the beginning of September, when you put your first video of the damage online, that you should remove the mast to really see it's extent.
Thank you for your opinion. We have realized through this process and the 18 months on the boat that the Grand Soleil is probably really not 100% suitable for our project with our needs, although we really like her and she sails great.
However, we can't take any money, as she probably won't be a total loss.
We will therefore first repair her as best we can to make her stronger than before and then see how we can proceed in the best possible way.
@@patandfrankie Hey there are lots of people sailing around "not so perfect boats" and it works out excellently. I hear your advice Jefer... but i think its too early to be making a call like that, and at this stage its not even an offer that has been made. Most of what they are doing now comes at little expense and will give them a wealth of experience and sailing strength regardless of how this turns out. Even if the insurance "pays you out" for the boat being a right off, you may well be able to buy it from them as is for next to nothing (or nothing for they will save on wrecking fees), and that may leave you with a boat you can still make viable with the money or sell onwards. Hang in there, you are doing the right thing at this time for your finances and mental health. Cutting and running right now pre an insurance decision you can take time to consider will save you minimal time and always leave you wondering what if? Your relationship is super strong, and your story is a masterclass in being stoic and a side to these adventures most people have long since turned the cameras off too, but happen more often than you think. You two have got this!!
@@brianlee5216I keep thinking the same thing and at 8:16 and again at 8:50 there in the background is a far more suitable looking boat for ocean crossings. The Grand Soleil is a gorgeous boat for coastal cruising but not for extended ocean cruising, it would seem.
I have a friend who made an offer on another Grand Soleil in Italy and the surveyor’s report could easily have been two words: run away! That boat also had serious structural damage.
I also have friends who have had similar experiences with modern boats and have now bought 20 and 30 year old boats built more solidly with skeg hung rudders and good scantlings for €70,000 or €80,00. After they stripped them and fixed or replaced all systems, rigging and sails at a cost of €100,000 they essentially had a great new boat for well under €200,000, that they knew intimately and which they could confidently sail anywhere. Maybe not such a bad idea for anyone contemplating a journey such as yours.
@@brianlee5216Thank you very much for your kind words and your support! We keep you updated!
Fingers crossed
Thanks 🙏
One step at a time.
We agree 👍🏻
I have been a victim of a bad Marina broke the steel on my Santana 35 still pissed about it.! Feel bad for you guys I get it! You know y’all should go ahead and put up a go fund me. There’s a lot of people out there that will kick in a couple bucks.
Thanks for your empathy for this situation and so sorry to hear about your troubles. It’s difficult when it feels unfair..
Thanks for the idea.
I was just wondering do you think that boat was ran aground before you bought it. I wonder if the insurance guy could tell if the stress was from the front or the side. It just seems like a lot of damage from just setting it down. Good luck ....
Thanks for your question, we never ran it aground and the previous owner neither..
Thanks 🙏
That's hard to believe , but ho am i @@patandfrankie
Omg you poor things i really feel sorry foryou pair
Thanks! 🙏
Hi guys, I am a bit confused or maybe I have missed something but why are you doing all this stripping of the internals and mast . I would have thought that teh insurance company would have organized this or is it the case the insurance company has given you the OK to do this preparatory work. Can you advise if a surveyor has looked at the boat and given a scope of work to be done. No criticism here just curious.
Hi there! Thanks for your question! The surveyor from our insurance said that in order to be able to define the damage and in the next step find a solution, he needs to see the entire scope (that’s why the floor needs to go) and also the area under/around the keel. So we are going step by step to remove everything 😉
@patandfrankie this still does not make any sense. As i understand it, the insurance is supposed to cover you from the point of damage, to the repair being completed or you being paid out for the boat... I'v never heard of insurance where you have to help them through the process by doing work yourself.
We are aware of this, but we also wanted to bridge the interim period so as not to lose any time. We also deliberately only worked on non-critical parts.
Hello again : ) i sure hope you plan to stay on "dryland" for a long time. Ore are somebody else going to do the work for you?
Hi! We will certainly be here for some time to come. However, we will do the work with our insurance company, experts and specialists.
@@patandfrankie Wait wait wait. Are you telling me you have insurance for this? Do you? Realy?
@@perfstaas7188Yes, we hope so!
I wish you all the best living in skeleton stay wel wel from Andy
Thank you!
Hi You two are awesome but may I ask why your insurance company are not paying for all the work involved
Hi! Thanks for your message! It is a insurance process but the boat jobs we do, we do privately but we wanted to do them any way and for all the other things we have specialist helping/working on the boat.
Where is the boat and are you guys living near by?
The boat is in the Canary Islands and we live here in apartments or with friends on the boat. We can't go anywhere else because the boat is the only thing we have.
@patandfrankie I really hope you sort it. 🙏
There is only one way to "unstep" your mast....Call in a crane and professionals. It is heavier than you might think and you will damage the boat for sure. If you try winching it down from the fore sail fitting, probably ripping the fore sail fitting out. You can do it that way on a small yacht, but not on yours. The work of ripping the boat apart is also really necessary, you must let the surveyor see the hull from the inside, I am sure that it is repairable, but you MUST do some short journeys, in rough seas and strong wind CLOSE TO SHORE, and with a seaworthy inflatable in tow (just in case) to test the hull once it is fixed. DO NOT go straight out to open water....If you do you will be heading for disaster. Test the boat for at least 300 n.miles in all weathers, before setting out across the Atlantic. Regularly check the areas that are repaired. To do this you might have to rebuild the floor, with large inspection panels. Even install lights under the floor to make sure you do not miss anything.
Thank you for your comment and the helpful advice & tips!
Wel im good with a spanner 🔧🔧🔧🛠️🛠️
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Was this a Hurricane damaged boat?
No, it isn’t a hurricane damaged boat.
Why are you doing all of this work? Why not wait for the insurance survey on the keel matrix
To be honest .. to stay busy and not spend too much time sitting around contemplating about the unknown. There’s nothing much we can do as we don’t want to leave the boat for a longer time 😉
Although you guys had a HUGE curveball thrown your way, you are inspirational. I’m sure we don’t see all the most emotionally hard times you guys are facing, you do seem to be coping. This hard time will pass, one way or the other, and you’ll still have each other. One day when all is fixed and done and you’re sailing the world again, you’ll look back on a unique adventure. I had a period in my life I would NEVER in a million years have chosen to go through..however thirty five years later some of my most vivid memories are of that situation, and they are not all bad. In fact some of the most interesting stories I have to tell, are precisely because I went through that.
@nottoolatetofly371 thanks for sharing your perspective 😊 your words are uplifting! All the best to you too!!
Is this an insurance claim? If so why are you taking the boat apart? That is all part of the insurance claim! I only see this causing problems. Remember insurance companies look for ways not to pay or reduce what they pay
Take a holiday, a break from boat yard will do you good and to recharge your batteries. Good luck with the keel and insurance
I dont understand why you are doing this including painting the hull and sanding the deck !! . Are you 100% sure it will be perfectly repaired ? I would not be safe in the middle of the ocean with big waves in a structural damaged hull. Only my opinion sorry, but the cracks are huge for me. Time to sell the boat repaired (or not, informing ofc) for a fair price.
Despite all of this, you are a strong, and confident pair, i love it 😊
Thanks for your advice. Yes, we are very sure that she will be stronger than before. We don't know what we're going to do with her yet, but we want to keep sailing. ⛵️
The sound of cracking you heard when the boat was rested on the keel was not of the grid breaking but merely moving, as it was already broken. The reason boat insurance is so expensive is because of all these production boats and their build methods. The damage to your boat has nothing to do with the yard. It is the the pathetic way they are designed and built. Glueing a structural grid to a hull is the whole problem. This design feature is all about speed of construction at the cost of longevity of the vessel and the safety of the crews sail them. These methods should be banned industrywide. all boat owners who have insurance are paying the price for the loss or the repair of these boats. I see people in the comments saying that the yard should be paying for the damage, but that is so wrong, because they had nothing to do with it. Maybe you should sue the manufacturer for building a product that is not up to their sales pitch.
Very important comment, right on topic. It was a well overpriced "good looking" boat for the first owner. A dangerous one of following owners. I´ve been seeing this for more than 20 years in this industry.
Thanks for your sharing your thoughts. We understand and share your concerns about the manufacturing means of mass production boats. Although please avoid making assumptions about the state our boat was in. It would be a miracle if you know this from miles away .. 😉
@@patandfrankie people with experience trying to help you, nothing to do with "assumptions" i would guess.
@@patandfrankie thanks for your response. I don’t believe I’m making assumptions from miles away though more just commenting on the fact that there are so many boats with exactly the same problem and all it takes is a slight bump on the sea bed and the grid fails. It’s the same as Lagoon catamaran that just bog the deck to the hull, and they have bulkhead issues, bonding issues and it’s all because the manufacturers use the cheapest way to build a boat and have no concern about the life span of that boat. All the people who sail them. None of these cheaply built boats should be used for crossing oceans. And the fact that they sell them as cruising boats to punters is affecting the whole boating community who are all footing the bill for novices who jump on boats that they think are great and sound but in effect are potential death traps. This of course is my opinion but I think you’ll find many old salts will agree..
@@rustie4242 thanks for clarifying your thought, I think I misunderstood something in the first comment .. 👍
Our insurance paperwork said to do zero work before they approved it. Did you get approval?
We are in close contact with our insurance 🙂
@@patandfrankie Make sure to get everything in writing. Our experience with our insurance has been long and arduous. Communication from them has been very poor. Ultimately, their surveyor approved all the work but it took 3 months to get the payment to start fixing things. The vendor now says Jan 2025 to finish. :(
However, these delays mean extra marina chargers so it's going to cost more than the approved estimate.
@@slo007thanks for the advice. We agree, everything takes a lot of time. We try to get as much as we can in writing. We wish you all the best for your repairs and the timeline!
It looks like expedition evans boat they did the some things
Yes, the damage is comparable.
El trabajo más árduo es desmontar y volver a montar todo el interior. El barco de Expedition Evans estaba mucho peor que el vuestro y ahí está, navegando.
That’s definitely a struggle .. we are (not) excited how it will be putting it all back together. But there will be some way 😉
They did a good job! 👍
Whatever will happen with the repairs, try to prepare for another kind of keel. Now when everything will be taken out from inside it is the right time to do that. To do this I can imagine that there will have to be big jobs with the hull. I cant see any other way for the future. To just repair to what it was from the beginning will leave you with an unsafe boat with many risks in different situations.
Thank you for your opinion and advice!
The integrity of structure is compromised, reparing this a job for composite specialists and dificult.
You are right! We are working with a specialist who will do the repair.
Extremely severe damage. Almost not worth fixing.
It is severe but not a total loss according to our surveyor / insurance
@@patandfrankie this happened at the shipyard?
Can you clarify why do are stripping the boat down at your time & expense? Surely the insurance company should cover all this and in the mean time you could be earning money elsewhere??????
Luckily we are getting good support from our insurance. We live(d) and work on the boat so working on something else was only possible to a limited extend
Are you not insured and isn't the yard insured, something doesn't jive, did I miss something?
We are luckily insured.
@@patandfrankie Best of luck to you both. That is certainly heartbreaking I know first hand. Some years back we had a steel trawler 50'. We bought it when our 4 kids were young had it gutted and hired the finest cabinet makers to convert it to accommodate the family. We traveled thousand of miles and being self employed we would take the summers off and just live and travel on the boat all summer. after 18 years we brought it in for winter storage to a new marina and ordered the marina to winterize it this was in early Oct. In late December I get a call from the owners son who was always stoned and he says hey man i'm winterizing your boat and I cut in and said your doing it now after 2 1/2 months and he respond ha ya man were busy. He asks how big is your waste tank it must be huge i've been flushing & pumping water in for at least two hours, I respond STOP your an idiot. We went to check our boat in mid January and the entire bilge was full of yellowish brown water right up to the sole. 2" from the floor. 70 gallons of waste plus hundreds of gallons of water were eating away at our steel hull from the inside and no way to stop it until spring. That spring they declared bankruptcy. No matter what we tried their was no way to stop the destruction. The following summer while hauling out for maintenance our keel collapsed. Had it rebuilt but holes started popping up everywhere. Our beloved Sunadan that our kids grew up on was destroyed because of an idiot. Insurance would not cover it because of fine print on storage and winterizing dates. I understand your problems, good luck.
@@IamSpectre2020 Oh no, we are very sorry about that and it is an incredible story. But after this time and the experiences we have had, we can understand it very well.
We hope you didn't let it get you down and continued to work towards your goals/dreams.
We are currently trying but it is (although we have insurance) economically and emotionally quite difficult. Thank you for your support! It definitely helps us and thanks for sharing.
I told you, get the money sell the boat and if you wish buy a new one. This is gone forever....
It is not possible to take the money and go. The boat needs to be repaired and we will do our best to fix it.
why don't your insurance just total the boat it will NEVER be right
Because it doesn't look like a total loss.
Sorry Frankie, that bottom is just enough to hold - not quality. For me the quality at the bottom begins beyond an inch.
I'm sooo sad for you. That's devastating.
Learning as we go ..
@@patandfrankie I'm expecting it much stronger when the repair is done - a lovely side effect.
Oh the Irony.......
So a Boatyard drops a boat; but will ultimately profit from an overextended stay, work generated through carrying out the repairs and publicity of being able to do the repairs and being broadcast doing it......
Crazy but True Business Model.
Good Luck Guys.....
Hi there, we can’t go into detail about the process as it’s not clarified, but they didn’t drop it.
It is an extensive repair job to do, we get what you are saying .. Nonetheless it was unplanned and caused troubles for them on other ends too.
@patandfrankie well, the damage of popping the matrix off the inside of the hull suggests it was more a kinetic event; than a settling event. And if I recall the video of the incident, you told of a Loud Bang at the time, heard all over the boat yard. So put us straight...... please.
Once again, we ask for your understanding that we cannot say anything about the cause of the damage while we are still in this process. All we can say is that it is not clear and may never be clear. We hope we can explain what our guess is at the end of the process, after we have put all the pieces of the puzzle together.
I always wonderHow you do it…to make such thumbnails ,with both in such a position,that both anxious faces are right on the foto,
Does it takes many takes to come up with such a thing??
Ps that goes off course not only for your channel,maybe some day i made a collage off all those ridiculous faces off all those channels….
Hi, it’s not so difficult .. you just think about your situation 😂 Sometimes we just take a snap from filming and sometimes one of us says “this situation is so much what it’s about” and grabs the camera.
We’ll probably laugh about them in years too - but it’s fun making them 😊
Wat legth is she
46 feet 😉
@patandfrankie fantastic looking yacht thanks so much , for letting me no how big she is, well wish you pair a peaceful night's sleep in your yacht to night Al the best Andy
@andrewbennett7756 With pleasure! Unfortunately, we can't sleep on it at the moment.
@patandfrankie sorry I didn't realise Wel were ever you are sleep well good night Al the best from Andy