Anakin & Luke Skywalker | Who Is Truly More Powerful - IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS
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I think part of why Luke is so powerful in Legends is because he is mostly self-taught, and doesn't think something is impossible, because no Jedi is telling him that it can't be done. He achieves things thought to be impossible because he stopped thinking things were impossible.
That was the main lesson Yoda taught him. " Do or do not, there is no try" Yoda
"I don't believe it!" Luke
"That is why you failed" Yoda
Luke was taught there was no limit to the force, while Anakin was always restricted .
He was also the jedi’s last hail mary attempt to stop the sith. No doubt yoda taught luke everything he can with the time allowed because there was no sense keeping knowledge from who might just be their last hope
Luke is more powerful because he surpasses any shortcomings his father had, like being easily consumed by emotion and the high-ground...
@@mewtwo389 I believe it wasn't the Jedi's last chance, the whole time it is the force. Jedi are (for the most part) willing servants of the force. Sith/Dark Jedi believe they bend force to their will but (again), I believe they are also unknowing slaves to it. Whenever one side of the force grows too strong or has "cleared the galaxy" of the opposing side, the force will create one who can at least begin to return the itself back to balance. I also think that the Force operates at close to a galactic time scale.
Only in legend
Anakin had the potential to be the most powerful being ever in the galaxy but fell short. Luke was able to reach his full potential and therefore having a greater use of the force.
This
And after emperor died in ROTJ, he officially became the most powerful force user in the entire galaxy.
(We don't count rey, sequels are not cannon for us, incase some fanboy has to debate on that)
Anakin falling short is the worst thing about the entire Star Wars for me personally.
Anakin was never balanced. Anakin is 1970s untuned Ferrari with NOS. Luke is brand new Bugatti tuned and setup to run 24 hours at Le Mans.
@@mjbset93 no no annnnnnd no
Definitely Luke. It is his compassion,willingness to learn and ultimate humility that makes him more powerful than his father. It is rarely power and talent that makes someone great. It is the combination of innate talen,wisdom and humility that often makes someone great.
George said Luke and Anakin had the same potential but because of his injuries he could never reach his full potential. George said because of this Luke not only became more powerful but he also became the most powerful force user to have ever existed.
Its Luke obviously but if Anakin reached his potential we already know the answer
Didn’t they have the same amount of potential? I mean if they didn’t it it couldn’t have been by a large margin because it scared palps. Plus I honestly don’t think that mandalorian luke was stronger than Vader . Vader still had all his midichlorians in the new canon so vader was a beast
@@almightytm2399 nah anakin had way more he was made by the force and Luke wasnt
@@almightytm2399 not 100% sure, but I remember reading somewhere that Luke had about 18,000 midichlorians and Anakin 20,000
@@almightytm2399 so not far off but what happened was that Vader lost his limbs making his connection to the force weaker, cutting off his potential to a fixed point much lower than what he would of been. That and obviously he got slower and older with time.
@@gio3075 well apparently in the new canon, the mustafar fight actually bolstered vaders connection to the force by a large margin. The statement you put out was actually from the legends version of Vader where he lost a large majority of his midichlorian count. Instead in disneys canon, Vader never lost his midichlorian count , he just never reached his potential due to the mental strain he put on himeself over padme dying by his hand as said by palpatine. He also went on to become the greatest duelist in history even surpassing yoda and sidious in terms of raw power and dueling. Rotj Vader was stated to be Anakin/Vader in his peak as said in the new canon. Most likely, if he had managed to turn Luke than Vader might have been able to get a hold of himself and become the most powerful force user in galactic history. Palps was scared of Vader in a sense that he felt that he had to be put down before he could make his move to take his throne hence the multiple attempts on vaders life.( if Yuu don’t believe me look it up)
When it comes to raw power, Anakin wins. But Luke's connection to the Force was in a sense, purer than his father's. Anakin's time with the Jedi, all the trauma and rules hindered him, while Luke's power grew more freely and uncorrupted by dogmatism. Being older when he started training, he had more freedom of mind and individual jugement. Overall, Luke is just a more balanced individual which in the end made him stronger than Anakin in the long run.
true but no. Anakin wasnt supposed to turn to the darkside, him doing so the force had to correct itself, making luke able to have the same potential that anakin couldnt reach because of his injuries. otherwise anakin being the chosen one makes no sense, the force needed correction hence luke
Wtf does Rsw power even mean?
Luke was way more Powerful than Anakin hands down, Anakin failed Luke didn't, End of discussion
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He did bring balance to the force it just wasn't the way he was supposed to and it was the Jedis fault for what happened.
@@TheStellarmanCo. nah Anakin is more powerful
@@ElPresidenteMargz George Lucas told that Luke is the most powerful jedi ever lived lol
Actually, Anakin was reduced to 40% of his potential, not 80%, according to Lucas.
Lucas said Vader, post injury, was about 80% as powerful as the Emperor, but his full potential would have been to have been 200% (twice) the power of the Emperor.
80% vs 200% is 40% of potential.
no, vader post injury is 80%
@@justadude6897 Lucas said, in Vanity Fair, Vader was 20% less than the Emperor (i.e. 80% as powerful).
In the same interview, Lucas stated that he once had the potential to be twice the power of the Emperor, before the injury.
Ergo, if the Emperor's power level is x, then post-injury Vader is 0.8x, while pre-injury would be 2x. 0.8 / 2.0 = 0.4, or 40% as powerful as he could have been.
I do not know who came up with this idea but lucas said that vader was 80% of emperor after mustafar, that does not mean he can not grow stronger in following 2 decades
@@Vuk3 I don't recall the exact quote sufficiently to recall whether Lucas meant Vader was 80% right after Mustafar, or if that's where he peaked out.
Granted, there was always the potential to grow stronger, and Vader was always hoping to find a way, but being limited in the suit stifled growth, not to mention much of the power of the Emperor came from his KNOWLEDGE of the Dark Side - knowledge which he kept from Vader. Palpy was always trying to keep Vader from gaining the upper hand, partly because he was disappointed in his loss on Mustafar, and found him unworthy of the full teachings.
Lucas said a lot of stupid things after starwars was sold to Disney.
I’d say Anakin was definitely more powerful than Luke when he was his age. Yes, the two have very similar amounts of potential, but Anakin’s raw natural talent and growth rate - especially in combat - just can’t be beat.
I think this is a case of disparity between what canon doctrine says and what the movies portrayed. It seems to me the idea was to have Luke be everything Anakin could have been, but somehow in Luke's actual portrayal in the movies, it was never borne out. I had high hopes that 'The Rise of Skywalker' would set all things right and finally give us the awesomeness his character could have brought but it just fell flat in my opinion.
I’d say Luke. Mentally and spiritually he’s OBVIOUSLY stronger than Anakin, (which is like 80% of the job right there) and even physically with combat, Luke beat darth vader, destroyed a death star, faced the emperor, etc
@@thaiylooze8217 he got destroyed by the emperor and only beat Vader when he was conflicted which is started by Lucas
@@slashbash6486 true but combat alone could only get anakin so far. His other weaknesses factor in.
@@thaiylooze8217 if your talking about being emotional the only time anakin puts his emotions out there too much during a duel or a fight is when he’s loved ones or either in trouble or either dead, in which I don’t think will be the case if we’re talking about him vs Luke. Yes luke is more level headed but lacks the experience and years of Jedi training anakin had as not only a Jedi, but a general in the grand republic. Luke doesn’t have limitations like anakin which is a great plus in that side, but in that point revenge of the sith anakin was at his peak and you could say the same with Luke in the events during and after rotj. Honestly you could make the argument of either side winning but in my opinion I’ll take anakin. Have a good one
A few key points I would like to make to demonstrate that the skill gap was a bit bigger with Luke easily dominating all criteria of combat and the force while Anakin/Vader is significantly better at pretty much everything else
Luke:
- Luke mastered all 7 forms (technically 9) forms of lightsaber combat as they were all rediscovered by his NJO at time he had the rank of master. He also invented strong, medium and light style AND mastered the 3 rings of defense. Overall he simply knew more
- Luke used Djem So. This was particularly mentioned in the ROTJ Novelization which showed that Luke was learning as he fought and intrinsically was able to match his father's Djem So
- In the ROTJ novelization it was also stated that Vader was not conflicted for the first half of the fight and was actually resolute about killing Luke MAINLY to foil the emperor's plans. This only changed after Luke disengaged repeatedly and flipped up to the higher platform (just before Vader's saber throw), with Luke dominating the entire fight while holding back and not even wanting to fight really (hence why he repeatedly disengaged)
- Luke's attunement is also much higher than any other jedi or force user, which is how he was able to fully become one with the force via technique EARLY in his life, becoming a being of pure force power several times
-Luke's hand to hand skills cannot be understated. Shattering Abeloth's ribs with a punch, kicking out the leg of darth Krayt, AND headlocking Abeloth to where she was screaming in fear and pain all while BOTH of them were draining his force power to empower themselves... nutty
- Luke knows shatterpoint and (by the time he reached the rank of master) Vapaad which cannot be understated
Overall he GREATLY surpasses Anakin/Vader in saber skill
Anakin:
- It cannot be overstated that Anakin is BY FAR the greater mechanic, engineer, and arguably pilot when compared to Luke. Anakin building his droids alone dwarfs most displays in SW as far as engineering is concerned, and his overall ability to repair pretty much anything speaks for itself. And while I think Luke is a fantastic pilot, Anakin can fly literally anything better than professionals and outshines Luke in versatility and manueverability as a pilot
- Anakin's leader skills and knowledge of war is virtually unparalleled. Be it as a general or be it as 2nd in command, the guy has experienced 27 years of military service MINIMUM by the time of ROTJ. He is comparable to (and exceeds most) old republic jedi and sith
Stop
yeah...no
The only thing that makes any case for Luke is that he learned all this stuff when he was 20-30 and not 10 like Anakin
They're BOTH badasses.
Shame Rey Palpatine had to render all they ever accomplished meaningless...
I view it a little differently than that. I think it's a little more complicated that you make it sound. But I've learned never to share any alternate opinions in regards to the sequel trilogy. People are very, very sensitive about it.
@@ethan-scott The thing is, if they had made it be a thousand or even a few hundred years AFTER the defeat of the Empire, and DIDN'T decide to revive Palpatine, they could have gotten away with so much more. The fact that they made it a few decades after and brought Sidious back are part of why people are upset about the sequel trilogy.
Ya, well at least the EU is still out there. So you can still read the better version of star wars.
I know. Thankfully, that's the case and the EU exists.
Who’s that. As far as my “Head-canon” is concerned, there is no Rey.
Had Anakin not been chopped up and burnt, he would have become a god like being with his connection to the force.
Not canon reason. It doesn't affect force connection.
their potential was actually the same
"Lucas stated that Anakin had the potential to be twice as powerful as Palpatine. He also stated that Luke had the same potential and would be what Anakin couldn't because of the injuries from Kenobi" - 25 Aug 2018
@@theoneaboveallthelivingtri5862 knowing George rolls with it does in fact dampen your connection to the force got to roll with that but I do like the other side too where it doesn't affect your potential with the force but also see how it very much obviously would
Thank you thank you thank you for stating the obvious; before Lucas ever confirmed it, I always thought reading the books 20 years ago that Anakin got handicapped with his loss to Kenobi.
@@FatT45 Disney tryna say it doesn't matter anymore and that vader handicapped himself mentally with his depression and fixation on his failures and only having sidious left. Which tbh I like cuz it means he technically still could have been the most op mofo and could have taken sidious if he didn't handicap himself
you nailed it, they're equally powerful but luke doesn't have as many weaknesses
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Yup, what did it cost anikan? Your limbs
Correct me if I’m wrong but I think Luke being more powerful than Anakin is Canon. I’d assume his weakness, if any, would be likely only be the high ground of course...
i don't think luke is as good at lightsaber fighting tho
@@mikeoxlong6351 incorrect nowhere is it stated in Canon luke was more powerful then anakin. Hence why sidious opted to kill luke in ep 6 instead of turning him to the darkside
The main issue with anakin was that he was constantly held out of balance and told to go against his nature instead of teaching him to control them. Luke never had that drawback.
Luke never had to deal with the blind failed dogma of the order.
Yea it was also stated that Luke in legends had the same potential as anakin moved black holes astral projections creating a force field over the entire planet and in dark empire was stated to learn everything that darth vader did and managed to turn some of it against Sidious stated by Sidious
Luke honestly should be considered more powerful, even in canon. My reasoning behind this, is because Anakin had actual masters and years of training. Where as Luke only had Obi Wan partially and Yoda. But had to learn on his own and face the strongest dark side force user ever, and the Emperor.
The emperor is considered the most powerful. Tho I’m on the side of other sith users from old being more powerful. Nihilis, SION, vitiate.
That’s somewhat fair. But the reverse is that since Luke didn’t have anyone training him like that for years, he also didn’t have a bunch of people telling him what he can and can’t do and holding him back the same way anakin did. Just something to think about
Vader is vastly weaker than dooku
@@Redoren966 I dont believe that you believe that lol
@@jamesbah2561 Tell that to George Lucas
Only if Anakin reached his full potential :(
their potential is actually the same, with the only difference being that luke was able to go into it fully
@@theoneaboveallthelivingtri5862 Yeah I thought so. I was just saying I wished Anakin had reached his full potential too.
@@theoneaboveallthelivingtri5862 naw I’m sure anakin had a higher potential him being the chosen one and all
@@ryquelwalker6209 "anakin had the potential to be twice as powerful as palpatine, Luke has the same potential, and he will be what anakin could not due to his injuries by kenobi"
-George Lucas, 25 agust 2018
Basically, luke = anakin potential
wouldve if the prequeals was made 1st
EU grandmaster luke Skywalker will always be the GOAT.
Its cool to see you pulling some of the art for this video from Star Wars legion. As someone who plays its nice to see the great art in other star wars media
One thing that's never discussed is the traits Luke and Leia inherited from their mother, Padme. They're always only ever compared to their father. Padme gave them compassion and cooler heads than Anakin had. I think her traits suppressed the inner rage that Anakin experienced.
I like your point. I think there is merit to it. Thank you for posting it.
In Obi Wan they even went out of their way to point this out, so I think you were ahead of the curve on this one.
Luke's mother was never a slave that was tortured to death while the Jedi did nothing and told you to quit crying about it.
@@A_Black_Sheep94 The Empire murdered his aunt and uncle, who were like his parents.
Yes!!! It's a shame that Padme gets overlooked in the greater scope of things. I wish people gave her more credit.
Anakin learned from a young age but Luke has the strongest resolve between the two. He also turned his father in which Vader couldn’t turn him. As a force user I think Luke surpasses Anakin.
Yep, hands down.
nah imo, Anakin is the Chosen One
Love them both, great stories
Jedi: You can't do that without using the Dark Side.
Luke: Watch me.
Jedi: You don't understand what you are doing!
Luke: I've mastered shit you've never even heard of.
Mace Windu (triggered): "MaStErEd? We didn't grant any of you motherf*+#ing Kywalkers a Master rank!"
Excellent video, I know that an argument is gonna start on here over who the strongest is. So I'm hoping that the point in the story isn't missed altogether. Vader/Anakin had all of the potential in the Universe and it got derailed due to some misguided decisions. So the Force theoretically corrected itself in the forms of Luke and Leia. Essentially giving itself two extra go's with the twins; should one of them turn to the darkside. Vader didn't seem jealous of Luke's immense potential. Rather proud that his son had the same potential. Just goes to show the audience that Anakin would've been a great dad had Palpatine not been in the way. A good father always desires success for their children and Anakin/Vader as twisted as it was showed glimmers of that. I think the only way to answer this question is by getting George Lucas to direct a What If? Episode of Star Wars specifically on a fully realized Chosen One vs The Surrogate chosen one.
I just freaking thought of this. You know how on Mortis the father wanted Anakin to take his place but wouldn’t. And once anakin lost to obiwan the force used Luke and Leia to be the light and dark side and ultimately anakin became the father 😳😳😳 I may be thinking to far but it just came to my head lol
@@TwistedRevan actually not a bad interpretation of it. I like it... Maybe Luke or Leia could've taken up the mantle that Anakin left behind had they been given the same opportunity 🤔... Obi Wan & Maul believed Luke to be the Chosen One. As I said; Luke is a Surrogate Chosen One. Basically a substitute for Anakin. And I feel like Leia is kinda the wild card. Same potential as Anakin or Luke. It would be symbolic to have Vader as the Father and Luke as the physical manifestation of the Darkside and Leia as the Light....interesting thought.....I can only imagine how bad things would've been if a newly crowned Vader would've raised both of them in the Darkside....😳😳
@@ryakenn hello , my son. How's life?
@@anakinskywalker6347 life's good father, you'd be proud to see me destroy the dark troopers.
@@ryakenn I saw u through the force and believe me I'm a proud father I'm sure ur mother would have been too
Luke all day. He just understood the Force more completely. Adult Luke couldn't really exist without Vader, but could fully shut him down through the Force at equal peaks.
Nah
He could barely handle Vader during ROTJ.
@@nate8604 True but that was a fairly young luke with little to no formal training and overall experience vs a vader who was much weaker than he could be, but was still a battle hardened warrior with more years of battle experience than luke had years alive. Although would love to see full potential anakin vs master luke
@@d_3634 Fair points.
That's bogus
Anakin was indoctrinated and trained by a cult that believed that only the light side is good
Luke had a much more liberal training and saw what both extreme view points could cause
Luke masters his power. Anakin does not. Potential has nothing to do with it. Luke became far more powerful and skilled than Anakin ever did
The Luke we should've gotten in film.
I vote Luke. His understanding of the force was far more complete. So much so that he could use all force abilities and not turn to the dark side.
Yeah this is the ultimate tell tale sign that Luke obtained ultimate mastery over the force. It’s unquestionable to me.
Agree
we really need a what if of anakin reaching his full potential
he would basically be the same level as Grand master Luke
@@theoneaboveallthelivingtri5862 Luke wouldnt have that potential if anakin had reached his. the only reason luke has the samepotential is because anakin wasnt supposed to turn to the dark so the force had to correct itself
@@justadude6897 sure?
i mean that still does not change the fact that Luke's potential was basically = to anakins
@@theoneaboveallthelivingtri5862 oh yeah no it defenitely is. im just saying he only has that potential because anakin couldnt reach his
@@theoneaboveallthelivingtri5862 u are literally everywhere writing the same shit dude
potential wise they’re likely matched, anakin may have a slight edge, but luke’s ability to tap into the dark without straying from the light makes him far more powerful in the end. anakin doesn’t have the control required to use his darkness without eventually falling into it
Luke's true power lies within his heart. Might not be an obvious sort of power compared to the force and light saber abilities, but the power to be good is a deep, complex power that shines when you need it most
Idk, aluke acted like he was tempted to go dark side when sidious was talking to him in RotJ and he didnt even have a good motive to listen to sidious like anakin had in saving his wife.
@@H-D-DAnakin was always tempted my the dark side it was a matter of time. Every Jedi faces the dark side at some point. But a no point would Luke ever join the light side. That’s why he was so great
Without question Luke is superior because he's noble and more universal in his thinking and caring.
There's strength in nobility and humility and Luke was not selfish...where his unselfish nature saved both Anakin and Luke.
I have always believed that Anakin was more powerful than Luke because of his demonstration of power on Mortis, but Luke does have the better moral and overall character.
Luke has the huge advantage of growing up with a family instead of a whole bunch of assholes trying to use him as a tool.
Anakin is stronger, faster, has more natural talents and is the most gifted force user ever, but his weakness is psychological due to never having even a year to himself so he could sort out the decades of trauma, which ended up causing all his setbacks.
If Anakin didnt turn and never fought Obi-Wan to lose his limbs and trained Luke, i couldnt even imagine how strong he'd been.
I AM THE CHOSEN ONE
I like the explanation that Obi and Yoda left Luke to live a humble live for the first 20 years of his life in order to grow him as an humble person. That's the better explanation that I have ever heard so far.
Luke gets his kindness and selflessness from his mother. It's Leia who inherited their fathers pride.
Good observation! Leia’s deeply compassionate but in a lot of ways she’s more aggressive and impetuous than Luke.
It’s also important to note that all the weaknesses mentioned for Anakin and Luke that Luke overcame them. Anakin did not overcome them.
so be honest either one could win also chosen one always will be anakin skywalker fact and true
Rey is clearly the chosen one, duh.
@@TheMasterblah will she come back or what
5:34 its like poetry, it rhymes
If Ani hadnt turned, Luke wouldnt have been so powerful at all.
You said it yourself. With Anakin on the dark side, the force had to correct this imbalance, with creating a similar power on the light side.
So if Ani hadnt turned at all, the force would not have given Luke any outstanding potential.
In not winning if you feel you deserve something, or if you simply cannot do it
Anakin had even more potential than Luke, but Luke lived up to nearly all of his while Anakin lived up to less than half.
They had equal potential. George Lucas has said as much. There are interviews where he references this. Luke and Leia were the Force having a redundancy because of Anakin's darkening nature and mindset. Much the same way Anakin was actually a reaction to Plagueis trying to play God through manipulating midichlorians.
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@@jerryhickin9551 yes but no. Anakin had more midiclorians, that’s a fact. That said, Luke reached the potential anakin could have gotten making him more powerful.
Personally, If both were at full potential power I’d bet on anakin winning, but they are both so gifted and close it’s honestly not worth arguing/ comparing
@@kyledaniels9519 No it’s a fact according to Lucas that Luke and Anakin were equal in potential. He was what Anakin failed to be. Even if they both lived up to their full potential, Luke would still win due to his traits he got from Padme which allowed him to be much more level headed than Anakin
Anakin lived up to 60% of his full potential
I’d love to see the Force Light ability make it’s way into canon. I think that could make for a really awesome display of power and conclusion to a conflict.
I kind of feel like there is nothing wrong with a slave resenting their master. Let's not forget Anakin was a slave his entire life, from his days with Watto, to being emotionally abused by his masters at the Jedi Temple and everything with Palpatine. The guy never had a chance. Luke at least grew up and spent his formative years in a loving environment.
No doubt. And Anakin’s experience as a slave left him emotionally stunted, impulsive and angry. Luke basically grew up in a working class household. His fam wasn’t rich but it was healthy and stable. He also inherited a lot of Padme’s personality traits. Padme was a rich kid, straight up, but she was never afflicted with affluenza. She was genuinely selfless, warm, compassionate & patient. And she didn’t regard her royal and political obligations as a burden. Temperamentally speaking, I think Luke takes after his mother more than his sister does. Not shitting on Leia, btw. Leia’s awesome, but she’s got a much shorter temper than Luke.
I feel like you either left some stuff out/forgot or choose bad excamples mainly for luke. For excample in terms of intelligence and strategy luke is way better then you made him seem. He was in a leading position througout multiple intense conflict that happened throughout the galaxy, the vong, thrawn and new sith for example. He also constantly had to reinvent himself to come out on top, getting a shoto for a tricky whip weapon, facing enemies with force blindness or are almost unafected by it and his aproach to the darkside falls into that aswell. Not to mention he tought himself through notes and a few instructions and reach peak.
Lastly duelling luke faced abeloth, luminar, palpatine, vader, vong rulers etc and always held his own or came on top. He was said to move so fast that its like he uses over 30 lightsaber at once
Woah, man; that's crazy! 😂🎉 You have to admire him for his courage, I think it comes from this crazy drive not to give up. And that's an excellent point about him holding his own. I think a lot of people forget that. They only take into consideration fighting abilities, and while he may not be the best and he has a structure of belief so powerful it makes him an exceptionally graceful fighter. Even when he lost his composure, and ripped off Vaders hand, he came to his senses - even in the presence of the emperor's dark energy, he saved his father and showed him the power of mercy. I think you could tell he had a lot of inner peace by the end of the 6th film. 😅😮😊😊
Luke is what you get when Godzilla and Mothra make a baby.
According to George lucas they have the same force potential, I personally think luke would have the upper hand, because of his humility and his eagerness to learn. Let's not forget lukes oneness with the force which anakin would never be able to reach with his past, growing up as a slave, get taken away from your mother, getting enslaved by the jedi council.
Luke is more powerful than Anakin. Anakin lost most of his power when he became Vader.
Finally someone realizes
Great video, in my opinion if Anakin didn't go to the dark side Luke would have turned out exactly like Anakin. If trained by the Jedi Luke would have had similar treatment to Anakin. The council would have sensed his potential and made the same mistakes they made with Anakin out of "fear" of his potential. Ironic how the Jedi cautioned against fear but they themselves feared Anakin's potential.
I just like to put in a reminder that when Anakin destroyed the droid control ship the ship he was in what's on autopilot never actually flu his ship into droid control ship it was entirely or not apart and accidentally fight on the interior of the control ship
Anakin = Simp (for padme and the dark side)
Luke = Chad
Luke has a hotter wife as well. Mara Jade 4 the win!😉
I belief the student has their own inner intrinsic potential, but definitely, the influence of the Teachers (Master Jedi) and the broader influence of warriors, teachers, and events in his life (the wars) make Anakin a very powerful Force Wielder. Luke's influences were limited and self-taught, but he worked on his potential, and the Force was developed, the force was always strong in him.
I've always thought it was like this:
Anakin had the highest potential with the force but with the loss of limbs he wasted it. Now as Vader he reached a higher level than he would have as Anakin but that was because he had to learn how to use the force without limbs.
Luke became stronger because he didn't waste his potential and was able to train his entire life.
So I've heard this before. Does anybody have a quote from Lucas himself indicating that the loss of limbs diminished Vader's force potential? So did Luke losing his hand also diminish his force? Why does a body limb or loss of it diminish force potential? So if limb size diminishes force potential, how can a being as small as Yoda or Grogu have so much connection to the force? By the "standard" being that losing limbs or size of limbs diminishes force connection, then Yoda and Grogu shouldnt be that powerful at all.
I dont believe that loss of limbs diminished one wit the force abilities of Luke or Vader. As Yoda said, he himself being small in stature yet he was powerful with the force. I dont believe body size or appendages had anything to do with connection to the force.
@@ephraimlira3511 I think I have seen where someone talked about how it was hard for Anikan to learn how to use the force without his arms becauseof how it used to flow through him now it cant do it that way anymore. I think in the movies if I'm not mistaken both Luke and Anikan don't use the force out of the arm that gets cut off (before Anakin is Vader). I would see it as having to relearn how to do something with artificial appendages making it difficult to use the force.
Anakin and Luke seem to get better during a light saber battle when they got angry. Why is that? ........ Example... When Darth Vade mentions Luke's sister, and Luke gets angry and then starts winning. Why?
@Lil Zack Thanks, I think I heard that before
Rage is a powerful ally when it’s amplified by the Force. When you’re a Jedi, an unaffiliated Force-Sensitive or younof a manner of anorher giving into anger like that will gradually corrupt you spiritually & physically, though.
I really like the fact that Vader, in a way, trained Luke. Luke also didn't have any restrictions of the Jedi order and self taught himself which made him more aware of both sides of the force. Imo if anakin had not gotten fucked up by Obi wan then he would've literally been unstoppable even for Luke.
He really did.
If Vader was not “blinded” by the fact Luke was his son, Luke would have died in every encounter they had. Luke did not have enough experience at that time.
No luke didn’t want to fight either he kept turning off his lightsaber and he didnt want to fight but he still beat him plus plapatine wanted luke as his apprentice beacause hes more powerful
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Exactly.
They were both holding back so honestly its balances out. Luke was still holding up
This was phenomenal!!! Keep up the amazing work!!!
Grand Master Luke at his full potential VS Palps in ROTJ Cannon and legends.
Grand Master Luke. He even defeated young Palpatine at his prime in their second duel.
also if there is a star wars reboot do you think there will be a anakin skywalker full potential in the reboot and also star wars canon luke will become more powerful just wait
Legends Luke is the best lightsaber duelist ever. Only Mara Jade, Kyle Katarn, Kyp Durron, Yoda, Sidious, Mace and Darth Caedus rival him.
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The totally unironic statement about George Lucas brilliantly rhyming his story beats fucking got me.
Prolly Anakin, just more battle hardened and experienced. Luke may have been a better pilot though
I'd say Anakin was the better pilot just for the fact that he could pilot everything from a podracer to a giant starship
Anakin had 13 years of training at the Jedi temple under various Jedi masters in the ways of the Force, and one of the absolute greatest lightsaber duelists ever.
Luke had 20 minutes of basics with Obi and a weekend of fucking around with Yoda.
Luke won his fight against the Empire not because he was outright stronger than them. He won because he loved his father and believed in him enough to make him conflicted, and ultimately turn to the light again and fulfill his destiny.
So my vote goes to Anakin.
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I mean you’re not wrong 😂
I think a good analogy to Luke vs. Anakin is Goku vs. Vegeta. Anakin, like Vegeta, is told from the time he’s a child that he’s the chosen one, a super elite. It makes him arrogant and to a degree, lazy. When you can rely on raw talent to get you through you do so as opposed to learning perfect control. Luke, like Goku, had to fight, train, and learn. He wasn’t just handed that raw power, he had to achieve it in a way Vegeta never did until later after meeting Goku.
Mm I think Anakin was very strong because he was both strong in the light/dark side. And Anakin giving in to dark side was the only reason luke was strong. He basically got the op passive skill of feeling the force naturally. Plus Anakin as Vador still beat Luke pretty easily even though his talent was cut in half thanks to his broken body. And his suit not being compatible with the force but he still used it very strongly. So yeah Anakin is my vote and I just think its amazing he reached his strength with a broken body.
"Lucas stated that Anakin had the potential to be twice as powerful as Palpatine. He also stated that Luke had the same potential and would be what Anakin couldn't because of the injuries from Kenobi" - 25 Aug 2018
they basically have the same level of potential but unlike anakin luke was able to fully tap into it
@@theoneaboveallthelivingtri5862 But Anakin has more experience so I still vote for Anakin plus either way there wouldn't have been a Luke without him going down that road.
@@oasis6023 depends really on the luke u are talking about, young luke? hell yea anakin is leaps and bound ahead of him
but i would disagree if the opponent was Grand Master Luke
@@theoneaboveallthelivingtri5862 Grandmaster luke is in expanded universe while Vader is in canon. Expanded Universe is non-canonical to the franchise. So my vote still the same I do like the Expanded Universe dont get me wrong though
@@oasis6023 It's more cannon than those stupid sequels. SJW trash is all they were.
Beautiful video.
I think at points we’ve seen them both equally powerful Luke Luke in the mandolorian is as powerful or just about as powerful as anakin was in rots but potential wise anakin has him beat even if you go with legends Luke.
Darkness is the absence of light and cannot exist where light is present
ORDER 66
Luke is more powerful because the Jedi DO hold people back. Not deliberately, but they are bound by tradition and blinded by their own perceived wisdom. They are not accepting of alternative perspectives, as shown with Qui Gin Jin. Anakin was arrogant and prideful to begin with, and the Jedi order's rigidity did not help. Luke on the other hand, being self-taught, was more free to try different approaches. An obvious example being that his Jedi could marry.
I always wondered that if Jedi can lift heavy objects using the force why can't they lift themselves and fly.
They can, called force jump LOL
If i'm not mistaken, in the Old Republic one of the masters Vandar i think was able to levitate...
I thought I'm the best Force user in the galaxy. I have mastery of both the Light and Dark sides of the Force and achieved perfect balance. I am the Heart of the Force.
George Lucas already confirmed that Luke and Leia had the same potential as Anakin
I heard from a different video about Luke that Luke reaches like god level status in power. He masters all forms of saber combat and starts fighting sith gods. Like he surpasses anakin in terms of sheer power easily towards later legends material
I can answer that without even watching the video. The disabled war veteran whose very close association with so many other Jedi exposed him to the unique perspectives, wisdoms, and techniques that he no doubt added to his own repertoire. Anakin was already proficient with the Force some 14 years before Luke was even born. His experience in war and association among his peers is monolithic in size, compared to anything Luke can dream of. And he let Luke know that in Empire Strikes Back when he did to Luke exactly what Dooku had earlier done to him, to Anakin. Anakin lost a lot when lost his legs and arm, and he's nothing at all as Vader as he was as Anakin. But he's still much more experienced and wiser with the Force than Luke, except for that mistaken thinking that the Darkside makes you stronger. Luke would never stand a chance.
his list of limbs didn’t affect his connection with the force or potential it was being burned and the suit has to wear
@@luvmarr7224 According to George Lucas, and I HEARD him say it, Anakin's connection to the Force diminished the moment his limbs were amputated. Besides the fact that he very directly says it, it's very much implied in the very first Episode, "The Phantom Menace," that mitichlorians exist in all life forms, and machines are not alive. Bionic limbs have no life. That's logic easy to a 6-year-old.
Anakin never “turned” to the dark side, he always was using the dark side. His force sensitivity was always powered by dark side energy. He was basically conceived by the force in favor of the dark side. Luke had just as much potential as anakin but had the light side flowing thru him as naturally as the dark side flowed thru anakin. Just cause someone has dark side energy flowing thru them tho, dosent make them evil. Dark side users can still love or feel the full scale of emotions other people can. He turned from the monster that he became to save Luke which was a selfless act that ultimately “saved” him. But even when he was a Jedi, you see nothing but the dark side flowing thru him even if he didn’t recognize it as such. The force conceived anakin and made his connection to the force ALMOST entirely connected to the dark side because he had to destroy the Jedi order which has completely currupted the light side of the force. The Jedi were to caught up in their own arrogance to put 2 and 2 together that bringing BALANCE at a time when they have dominated the force for so long would mean their ultimate destruction
It would be interesting to see full powered anakin as the most powerful Sith Lord fight a full powered grand master Luke skywalker. It would be like palpatine vs yoda on steroids
Luke as he didn't give into the dark side. Light side luke was already stronger than dark side anakin . They was equal when both jedi but because vader fell it weakened him by 15 per cent
Anakin had 100% more potential but it was all burned away after his duel with Obi. After a few short years he was able to beat his dad with only basic training from two masters and reading Obi's journal. In legends only Abeloth was vastly more powerful.
Legends will always be the true canon.
Truth!
It’s a battle of what happened between what could have happened.
Luke would not be able to suppress the son and daughter of mortis and that's why anakin is stronger
Luke held his own against Abeloth who once defeated BOTH the Son and the Daughter with a mere thought.
Ok so great vid btw I definitely agree with all the points you made.
But if Luke And Anakin we’re to duel one another I feel like Luke would come out on top. Not because he was more powerful, but because of being level headed unlike Anakin who was more brash.
Another thing to add if Anakin was fighting for someone say for example Padme or Obi Wan his anger would most likely over power and overwhelm Luke. Similarly how we saw in Return of the Jedi how Luke used his anger to defeat Vader. However he was able to come back and maintain in the light.
It is important to note Anakin had way more potential then Luke being the chosen one and many people think it was Luke, but I’m reality it was Anakin because he did in the end bring balance to the force.
But aside from that if Anakin were to meet his full potential he would beat legends Luke no contest being the chosen one.
Around the age of 23, when both were about to choose to either fall to the Dark Side or denounce it, I'd say Anakin was a decent chunk more powerful, though both Vader and post-RotJ Luke were far more powerful than these two were.
(Yes, I accept the canonical way Vader ended up, because the loss of potential in the Force through cuts and burns doesn't make sense to me. The Force isn't just a number of cells)
Have you ever done a vid on what the galaxy thought happened to Anakin Skywalker after order 66?He was very popular after all.
In both legends and canon I'd say Luke was more powerful, more skilled, and a better person. However if Anikin hadn't been injured by Obi-Wan shortly after becoming Darth Vader I definitely think Darth Vader (uninjured) would have been more powerful in the force and a better fighter than Luke. It would be interesting to see a what if scenario though because if a few things changed it could change everything. Who knows what a more powerful Darth Vader would inspire Luke to achieve. They might have even just become more powerful equals.
Good work here.!! Thank you!
Thanks for this look at the Skywalkers it made sense the sameness and differences between the two
Luke changed his fighting style a lot. He used blasters and developed a short blade to fight force whips. He also learned all of the Saber fighting styles i think.
As it relates to Anakin, I just got reminded of Iceman's quote to Maverick in Top Gun:
"Is not your flying, it's your attitude. The enemy's dangerous. But right now you're worse than the enemy. You're dangerous and foolish. You may not like the guys flying with you, they may not like you. But whose side are you on?"
Good analogy!
Luke also had access to the Ancient Jedi Texts later on... something Anakin wasnt able to study. Im sure these alone would provide Luke with many advantages.
I’d say its a 50-50 or at least 60% Luke and 40% Vader but both very powerful in similarities and differences.
Would have been on a Anakins side in ROTS
When Luke Jumps on the platform in ROTJ
Luke: "It's over, father! I have the high ground!"
Vader: "I'm not falling for that one again, you little shit!" *Throws Lightsaber*
From experience of having twin children, I believe Luke would've turned out exactly as he did...what I've learned from observation with twins is a difference from children born single (even those with existing siblings)...they have always been part of a "unit" & sharing similar to Luke never appearing power hungry as well as the opposite characteristics of the Sith (wanting power for themselves)...I believe THAT was the force correction a lot of ppl miss, splitting the "chosen one" into 2, sharing from birth...even if it's subconscious it's still there...Luke & Leia were born as a balance of the power of the chosen one & like their father b4 them, they brought balance to the force in their own ways...1 in the political arena & 1 in the arts...
There is no “analysing” the fact is IF and again that’s IF so this is based on fact, anakin is a being of the force. Luke being his son makes him extremely strong, but anakin is made of pure midichlorians he is quite literally able to see the future… nothing is stopping full potential anakin
When looking at some basic facts, you’ll come to realise the answer is obvious.
Anakin’s Kyber Crystal is blue and Luke’s is green. A wielder with a blue crystal is lightsaber-dominant, whereas a wielder with a green crystal is force-dominant. In terms of strength in the force, their maximum power-output and capabilities were stated to be identical, but there is a clear difference when it comes to who would realise this potential and who would not.
It’s one thing to be able to do something, it’s another to actually do it. Luke’s reliance on the force over Anakin’s reliance on his own physicality would put him above his father in fair duelling potential. It’s like using a starship as an on-world-only taxi, exclusively (can be the best taxi in the world, but it’s not really what it’s built for).
Legends has it as Luke, but I honestly think canon is much more interesting when it comes to this question. In canon, when it comes to the raw strength of his connection to the Force, it's no contest *at all* as we see Anakin/Vader do things like holding hundreds of tons of water in place, something Luke can't really compare to. However, Luke is much more skilled and flexible, having access to all sorts of specialized techniques and being the only character we really see to fluidly mix Force abilities and lightsaber combat, rather than needing to consciously switch from one to the other.
Anakin/Vader is like a jackhammer, able to crush through pretty much any obstacle he can hit. Luke is like a handgun, not quite as strong in a total measure of power but able to deliver his strength in a more concentrated way at a much greater distance.
Man I wish I could read Legends. I keep seeing videos about them but I don't know where to actually read them other than buying the comics
Anakin
The first and most common argument for this question is that Luke and Anakin were equals. With George Lucas supposedly stating that Luke's potential in the force was equal to Anakin's. Though this doesn't make sense biologically as Anakin is the Father and Luke should have half of Anakin's potential.
Really midicholrian counts don't make much sense in Star Wars if you think about it. A great example of this would be Palpatine. His parents weren't force sensitive at all and yet he was born with an extremely high force sensitivity even higher than Yoda.
So the most reasonable answer would be that both FP Anakin and Legends Luke would be equal.
However there is another argument that says otherwise, really depends on the way you interpret it. It is stated in this video here: th-cam.com/video/QTpbhoEIlWY/w-d-xo.html
which I highly recommend, it's basically a list of Jedi from weakest to strongest in legends.
The argument revolves around when Luke fights Abeloth.
In the novel where Abeloth makes her debute, Luke himself states that Abeloth is a dozen times stronger than he is.
Now we know that the Ones of Mortis kept Abeloth imprisoned until they died. In the novel it is mentioned that when Abeloth transformed into the monsterous creature, that the Father had to come in and save the Son and the Daughter from her and the trio fled to Mortis before imprisoning her behind the Maw cluster.
This kinda implies that Abeloth is stronger than the Son and the Daughter however it is actually possible that the Son and Daughter were actually much stronger than Abeloth was and were only really scared and petrified after seeing their mother transform into a monster. I mean wouldn't any of us be terrified if our family members turned into some kind of weird tentacely Lovecraftian monster? We definitely would be.
The Son and Daughter would also constantly go back to the Maw cluster to ensure that Abeloth didn't escape and if she did attempt to then they'd put her back in the Maw and the cycle continued until the Ones were killed in the Clone Wars show.
When on Mortis and pretty much amped to his full potential Anakin can do this
subdue both the Son and the Daughter, who if stronger or let's say even equal to Abeloth, should be a couple times stronger than GM Luke. Which in short means that Anakin at his peak can subdue and defeat beings a couple times stronger than Grand Master Luke and potentially even Abeloth. Which puts Full Potential Anakin at literally GOD tier and just outright stupid levels.
However it is also possible that Luke if on Mortis could do the same thing and really this theory is quite stretched out if you think about, but IS POSSIBLE.
So by this logic FP Anakin would be a dozen times stronger than GM Luke.
Anakin wins this. At Full Potential, Anakin basically had the ability to tear the fabric of his universe. He would’ve surpassed Abeloth, the Father, and the Whills. GM Luke barely defeated the avatar of Abeloth. GM Luke is right below his full potential in my opinion. I feel like he would’ve had an easier time at full potential as that puts him on the level of either the Son or the Daughter.
Anakin wins, no contest.
Anakin at his peak would have replaced the Father as the leader of the Force Family.
The Father was able to control the Son and Daughter and could probably defeat the Mother, Abeloth.
Luke had to get a lot of help to defeat Abeloth.
This is not downplaying Luke by any means, but Anakin is the chosen one for a reason. He was literally made by the force to stop the Sith after Plagueis experiments tried to control the Midiclorians.
Anakin Skywalker at full power would win after the most monumental fight in all of Star Wars history.
A bit of background about Abeloth - Abeloth was originally a human mortal who accidentally found herself in a dimension where she met the Father, the Son and the Daughter - a trio of immensely powerful Force Wielders who represented the Force, the Dark Side and the Light Side, respectively. They obviously transcended any Jedi or Sith, simply because they are personifications of the Force itself.
The Son was constantly at war with the Daughter, representing the never-ending struggle between Dark and Light, until Abeloth was somehow able to reconcile the two. She became the Mother and maintained peace between her children, until she began to age and realized she would soon be separated from her family.
In desperation, she drank from the Font of Power and bathed in the Pool of Knowledge, and morphed into a horrendous, monstrous entity that wielded power surpassing even that of the Son and the Daughter. She overpowered them both, and was apparently going to kill them both until the Father intervened and locked her away.
( She bathes in the Pool of Knowledge and drinks from the Font of Power without permission from her family. The Mortis entities soon discover their beloved Mother morphing and surging with uncontrollable Force energy. They realized that she has become an absolute monster.)
Now, the only three beings in all of Star Wars to ever overpower the Son and the Daughter simultaneously are the Father, Abeloth and, yes, Anakin Skywalker. Anakin cowed the Son and the Daughter in a similar way to Abeloth in the Clone Wars episode “Altar of Mortis,” indicating that both are nearly equal in power.
(Anakin - overpowers the Daugher and the Son while the Father watches on in awe.)
However, Anakin was supposed to be the Father’s replacement, implying that the Chosen One at full power was probably equal to the Father, who was somewhat stronger than Abeloth. This, and the fact that Anakin was the Chosen One - which technically meant that he was destined to bring balance to the Force and defeat any being that challenged the balance - and so he would be “destined” to defeat Abeloth as well. In conclusion, Anakin should be able to defeat Abeloth as the Father was able to do so - albeit his relative lack of combat experience may make it a more difficult task.
In short, Anakin wins - in a magnificent, bloody battle against Abeloth. So Full Potential Anakin is stronger than Grand Master Luke.
Well if Anakin never turned to the Dark Side, Luke never would’ve seen the true affect of how much the Dark Side corrupts someone and never would’ve tried to stay anchored to the Light to save his Father. The Dark Side would’ve been more tempting without that insight and filter.
Yk what’s funny with Luke and anakin Luke made the same mistake as anakin just didn’t cost the entire Jedi. Luke saw a future of kylo ren and went to kill him only making the wrong choice pushing him farther into that vision he had. Anakin saw a vision of his wife dying and by manipulation made the wrong choices pushing him further to the dark side. The only difference is Luke used his judgment poorly and let it get to him anakin was trying to prevent his wife’s death and got manipulated