Why Palpatine Said Luke was STRONGER in the Dark Side Than Anakin - Star Wars Explained
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“So be it, Jedi.”
I always think of Sidious’ response to Luke after the latter proclaims himself a Jedi. In particular how Palpatine says “Jedi” with such venom, as it disgusts him to his core.
It does. Most of the sith hated the jedi so much. I'm pretty sure someone like sidious would've thrown up after having his meetings with the jedi council when he was still hiding his identity.
"Council member Filoni" is hilarious
Exactly. Filoni's opinion doesn't matter. Lucas opinion does. I consider anything after Disney bought it is none canon
@@chriscepec1655 Filoni is the new Lucas. Filoni is the new author of Star Wars.
@@chriscepec1655 bruh Lucas has retconned himself out of existence and we see the difference between him being in total control and having people edit out his dumbass ideas in prequel trilogy vs original trilogy
“In time, he will seek you out. And when he does, you must bring him before me. He has grown strong. Only together can we turn him to the dark side of the Force.”
- Emperor Palpatine
"As you wish"
"Everything is proceeding as I've had foreseen"
That is pretty much telling Vader to kill Palpatine, Luke, or himself - given the Rule of Two. Because if Luke is that strong, no way is he only an Inquisitor.
Vader: (He's trying to Dooku me?)
*After Anakin killed Sidious*
Luke: Apparently, the Emperor didn't see that coming. Hahahaha!!!
*Years later - episode 9*
Sidious: I did see that coming, young Skywalker. Hahahaha!!!!
Rey: What did you say to me?
Sidious: Nothing. I said young Skywalker, not young Palpatine.
@@recoil53 except there's no rule of two in the original trilogy. Hell, even the word Sith wasnt a thing.
I always felt that it wasn’t just Luke unleashing his Jedi fury on Vader during the last part of their duel but that he briefly did fall to the dark side and only regained control after he cut off Vaders hand and saw just how close he had come to following the same path and resolved himself back to the light side
Absolutely. George Lucas wrote it precisely that way. You can mark Palpy’s sadistic joy turn to fury by the expression on his face as Luke sees his fate if continued down the Dark path.
Definitely. There's no such thing as "Jedi fury" - unless we're talking about Mace Windu's Vaapad, a style notoriously difficult to master to such a degree that every Jedi who used it, except Mace, fell to the dark side.
"A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack." -Master Yoda
Im sure for a second or two his eyes turned yellow
I believe that after seeing the wires from vaders wrist he truly understood the lesson that dooku thought his father in a way.
@slappedegg1056 Turning to the dark side, is bad for your liver. 🤒
When I was old enough to think critically about the situation that I realized, Vader wasn't trying to save palpatine but that Anakin was trying to save Luke
Vader was putting on a show, while testing Luke.
Truth be told, the Emperor should've been suspicious when Vader reported that a small rebel squad got by the checkpoint and Luke was them, which Sidious found it strange that Vader sensed Luke and he(the Emperor) did not.
Sidious was never defenceless. As stated here, Palpatine disdained lightsaber combat. The dark side was his weapon. Jaba was the focal point of danger. You don't challenge beings like that to a dual, you just end them.
this guy gets it
I am a Jedi, like my father before me
"So be it....Jedi"
Anakin return to being a Jedi
Then Palpatine returns to being a Sith.
@@shawn092182was it really returned or just Palpi doing Palpi things?!😂
Legends has the dopest stories.
I don't think it was wrong for Luke to just stroll into Jaba's and use any force abilities that might seem to be rooted in the Dark Side. He did attempt to use diplomacy by sending 3PO and R2D2 to negotiate. Arriving at Jaba's and finding out that Jaba wouldn't see him told him there would be no negotiation with him. Luke already knew that Jaba would kill anyone he didn't agree or was willing to deal with. Plus, he most likely was able to sense that Jaba was going to give the order to kill him, so what Luke did was self defense.
He already had lost everything that mattered. And Luke like padme, knew Anakin, was still in there. Like Leia save she lost all she ever knew and loved
They had actually filmed an alternate final scene with Luke putting on his father’s helmet and announcing himself as the new emperor.
Luke did turn to the dark side. When Vader mentioned "sister, so, you have a twin sister." And her going the dark side, Luke lost his shit.
“Your thoughts betray you. Your feelings for them are strong especially for……your sister. So, you have a twin sister. Obi wan was wise to hide her from me. Now his failure is complete. If you won’t turn to the dark side, then perhaps she will!” I would’ve lost my shit too.
I knew Luke was close to the dark side, as he was to the light side. When we judge Luke, we do so with the notions of the Jedi in the Republic. That's not who the Jedi were when the order was formed. They've evolved and as the dark side left it's mark on the light side, so has the opposite happened. Luke is of the new and improved Jedi, not shunning the dark but accepting that there must be a balance and I knew that's how he acted. He brought balance to the Force.
Palpatine wanted to see what he wanted to in Luke; Vader was likewise blind to his son's force choice. They were both thinking in paradigms of the past. Yoda and Obi-Wan made the same mistake and underestimated Luke. It was Luke who evolved.
As a kid i didnt realize how close luke was to the dark side as i grew up and started getting into the lore of star wars and actually seen how close he was and for him to not to turn really makes me cry as a adult its just beautifully done the ending ROTJ really is emotional imo
You know, this makes sense. Yoda pointed out correctly that Luke was always looking to the future, never mind on where he was, what he was doing. He tried to kill Jabba, the Emperor, and Vader because of a hypothetical future where his friends die or become monsters. Only when he stops this way of thinking does he realize that he's becoming a monster himself.
I believe on the deathstar Anakin already came back, and he wasn't protecting Palpatine by defending him from Lukes blow. He was defending his son from the dark side.
The ending is so good because several competing plot points built up over time (The Emperor's plan, Vader's plan, the Alliance's plan, and Luke's plan) converge in the throne room to create a moment of doubt surrounding the outcome of the encounter and the hero's journey. ... And what better way to resolve uncertainty on screen that with ACTION.
You failed your highness. I’ll never turn.
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When I was watching, the return of the jedi was able to see the struggle. I love how Luke shows struggle to attack and vader steps in to save his son is beautiful
I did feel that Luke was in true danger of losing himself, of getting too close to the edge and falling into the void of darkness, and forever would the Dark Side rule his destiny, as Yoda had warned him
But in that critical moment, when Luke drew closer and closer to the edge as he unleashed his fury upon Vader, it was seeing his father's cybernetic hand and being reminded of his own, a physical representation of how alike they actually were and how dangerously close Luke was to becoming as trapped in the Darkness as his father had been
It was sympathy, empathy, and relation and understanding about his father in a way he had not been able to before, despite Obi-wan's journals and all the secondhand accounts he'd gotten of his father. This moment helped Luke understand father more than he ever had before and it was that understanding along with the realization that taking this path to the end would be the end of himself as Luke Skywalker, aspiring Jedi, Rebel Hero, and Hope of the Galaxy
Thus, he was able to regain focus and steel himself, cementing his adherence to the Light in spite of how closely he's skirted towards the Darkness and spit in the Emperor's face by his declaration that he would never turn to the Dark Side for he had become a Jedi like his father before him
And Sidious, infuriated yet focused with frigid hate upon this insolent boy, could only respond by acknowledging Luke's declaration to be true by addressing him as 'Jedi'
"no jedi ever escaped Vader" except for Ahsoka, Obi-Wan, Kanan, Ezra and Kal.
You did another in depth breakdown of this scene a couple months ago. Both are really good.
This is great video! Luke became very strong in dark side. It was slippery when Palpatine told Luke about Rebellion,his friends. When Luke pulled his lightsaber. Difference is Anakin executed Dooku when Palpatine ordered him. Luke didn't kill Vader. He was a Jedi,like Anakin. May the Force be with you too😊
Great analysis. Thanks
Luke using his lightsaber like its a baseball bat in episode 6 looks so weird now days
Great video man. I really enjoyed your explanation. Excellent 😎🤘🏻
Anything Dave Filoni says should be taken with a grain of salt, he'd say anything for his Dark Master in order to promote and protect a certain Character who stole Luke's last name.
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I love the dark empire series, this showes the enigma portrayed here perfectly.
You can sum it up to the point of contact when the empreor land luke’s mind touch in the force storm on corruscant, the mind of two, one in the purest light and one in the darkest of darkness.
Also it gives a good arc on how luke is able to walk the part between, so i belive luke at the end of dark empire is probably one of the most powerful of all times, also that he was closer to a grey jedi like mace windu.
Also that luke and leia at the moment of using the Power of light is as close to a full potensial chosen one we will ever see.
I could like parts of the last 3 movies as a close to the skywalker saga and new beginning with Rey, but only if they would make the dark empire series and let us see luke bloom into full potensial and going through and learning his fathers lessons.
I mean crushing a droid in mando is cool, ripping a star destroyer from space or just crushing a at at with the force like waving your hand well thats a statment.
I think this was required for Luke to bring balance, to learn that ignoring the dark side wasn't the answer. The Jedi and sith were both at fault for skewing the force the way they saw fit.
The jedi didn’t ignore the dark. They literally had a man make a form just because he had dark tendencies so he could stay in the light and still fight effectively in his own way.
@@firstnamelastname9237 hiding anything dark side related and not allowing the study of them, essentially pretending they didn't exist would be ignoring.
And the Jedi also ignored emotions because of fear of the dark side, but both Qui-gon and Luke accepted emotions and used them to strengthen their ties to the force.
@@davelange8368
So, not something they actually did then. Mace windu literally being a prime example of that. Juyo itself has a dark origin. Some stuff was restricted, but not that much was genuinely forbidden. Additionally, it was restricted because dark sided artifacts and knowledge can, with their mere presence, corrupt those not prepared for them. And dark sided knowledge is more likely to turn an unprepared jedi or padawan too quickly, and as evidenced by how often Luke's jedi fell to dark artifacts, the jedi of the prequel era were exactly correct in that concern. Legends wise, Luke's jedi had a TERRIBLE track record for going dark sided compared to the prequel era of jedi. It was an extremely common occurence that one was either turned dark sided, or mind controlled by someone or something. They also fully showed they existed, they just restricted access to them. So....what any rational person would do with stuff that can turn an average padawan into a knight or master level threat.
But they didn't ignore emotions. As mentioned, there's literally a jedi known for his love of fighing, and not only do multiple jedi explicitly (and openly) express friendships and even familial or cultural connections. They also encourage enjoyment of things, many jedi drink and eat well, young jedi play games and have friendships, many jedi have had pets. The acceptance of the existence of emotions, but refusal to bow to them, both existed during the prequel era and in Luke's. Luke was more lax on formal and more permanent attachments like Marriage, but even in that area the jedi were not all encompassing on their strictness over it. The idea jedi tried to pretend emotions shouldn't exist is basically a fan invention, the films directly contradict that with obi wan, nearly the most traditional jedi imaginable, flat out saying he loved anikan, and how often jedi just full on ignored or encouraged the relationships people had only warning about being attached, but not about being friends or enjoying company. Jedi's usage of attachment is pretty clearly more specific than just 'oh you like person BAD.'
The duel on the second Death Star has actually perplexed me over the last few years for one reason: when you look at the Battle of Endor as a whole, did Luke confronting the Emperor and Vader do anything that actually HELPED the Rebellion blow up the damn thing???? Seems to me like that was going to happen whether or not Vader was redeemed.
If Luke gave Sidious a hug and called him Grandpappy, it would've literally killed him with kindness.😂
Vader was not just taunting Luke in their dual. He was teaching Luke how to beat him. He wanted Luke to kill him and one day kill his master. In death he would have peace knowing there was no more pain and his evil master would pay for his crimes at the hands of his son. Vader loved his son from the second he knew of him to is last breath. Vader never wanted Luke to die or fail. He prayed Luke would embrace the darkness to gain the power to save himself and his loved ones as he wanted to do years ago for his.
Why do these darn vids making me cry?😢
Just like Yoda warned, Luke started down the Dark Path when he first went to Vespa. His choices were driven by fear, which later turned to anger during his duel with Vader and finally hatred upon discovery of their relation. And, just like Yoda warned, it forever dominated his destiny. Only it wasn't how Yoda expected it would. Luke's second confrontation with Vader on the second Death Star brought him to the brink of falling to the Sith and it was through this that Vader was able to finally fulfill the prophesy of bringing balance to the Force, not by killing Palpatine, but by Luke learning to balance the Light and Dark in himself as he stood over his defeated father and saw their true resemblance for the first time. Also, stop calling Disney 'Cannon'. It's shitty Fanfics with a billion dollar budget.
Im amused that bith obi wan and yoda werent gonna call luke a jedi,but palpatine would 😂
EU luke Skywalker is my only luke I hate Disney Jake Skywalker
Yeah, I said the same about Anakin, when I watched the prequels.
EU Luke is just another “more powerful than anyone,” character, who has the same story happen to him, with his own son. It’s all simple writing, that was for ages 7 and up, until the 90’s.
Palpatine’s clone story was just as bad as the Disney one.
I still get a laugh at the He-Man lookalike, Palpatine cloned to use as his vessel. 😄
@@CorbCorbin Prequalls really did not changed Anakin or Vader. They just expand the character. Even ıf you did not like it,Clonewars fixed all the issues with the character.
Besides that Disney's fault. Of everything can choose from EU,like Thrawn or Darth Krayt,they choose the worst plot.
And who could blame you.. I agree
What's so bad about NA Luke ? Or AU Luke? Even UK Luke 😂?
It's unfortunate we got Jake and not Luke
Great content. I feel that because Luke wasn't taken as a child to learn as a Jedi from a youngling after the Jedi Council didn't exist, Obiwan taught him realizing the mistakes of Jedi dogma. Luke was encouraged to reach out and search with his feelings/emotions allowing him to get opportunity not to be restricted by his emotions, but to embrace his personal intuitions to truly allow The Force to lead his own individual spirit to judge the situation with The Force. Not through the rules and regulations of The Council, but to experience the situations The Force allowed through his own eyes and with his own heart.
And this is exactly why we need a Rogue Squadron series in the Clone Wars format set between A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. Star Wars: OT OG's. Written by Filoni, with folks like Famuyiwa, Howard, and Favreau contributing. Luke's character development was great in the movies but you have three years between IV and V and one between V and VI and there's so much more to expand on for him, Leia, Han, Chewie, Lando and even Vader.
Luke was almost a sith it is interesting the idea if Luke had killed his father and joined the emperor and I am Glad to see that this channel is talking about it
Luke was more like an original Jedi than like a "modern" Jedi. Original Jedi weren't "just" light side or dark side and they encouraged relationships.
The redemption of Vader was so beautiful and well done. It sucks that seeing Palpatine (one of the coolest Sith Lords) again in the new trilogy felt wrong because of the original storyline. I love the cloning concept and that whole plot line is pretty cool, it still feels bad that Vaders redemption just slowed down Palpatine rather than destroy him.
He did turn for a bit and was apprentice to the reborn emperor
He was on the edge - of that I have no doubt.
Luke joined the dark side in the Dark Empire comics.
Horseshit
I crushed the subscribe button so hard I clicked it twice
I'd of been close to turning.
I always felt that what Palpatine felt was that because of Luke’s inexperience he was a great candidate. Unlike Anakin Luke went most of his youth ignorant of the force and the dark side, he didn’t have years to repress his feelings etc. So to that end there was no indoctrination to the Jedi for all those years. That to me would make him especially not only easily to convert but because of his emotions would be more easy to push to use them to great effect in the dark side.
I could never understand why Luke Skywalker asked Yoda, how will I know the difference between the good side and the bad? How do you not know the difference between good and evil? It's surprising to me.
Luke came very to following in his fathers footsteps. Fortunately he was able resist going down such a dark path.
You know what I found interesting is that I believe Darth Vader purposely stopped Luke from striking palpatine down because in his vision he wanted Luke to strike him down so they can take his place but I believe Darth Vader AKA Anakin did not allow Luke to do because he didn't want Luke to go down the same path as he did
Luke should have a purple Saber...like the Idea of purple lightsaber
If Luke would have tried to go after Palps (even right from the beginning when Palps says he's defenseless), Palps would have zapped his ass. Even in Luke's anger, he still wouldn't have known to fight dirty like a sith and use the force above all else to be able to beat Palps.
What is the theme called you use in the background?
Is the guy luke is fighting in the image at 0:09 a actual character cuz he looks dope?
The actions of Luke in Jabbas palace were part of his plan to get them away from Jabbas palace. He was never going to gun him down in cold blood, IMO, it was all part of the plan.
It’s because he wasn’t trained from childhood-he wasn’t indoctrinated, so easily manipulated
And yet in the dark empire Luke Skywalker dose in deed fall to the dark side. A holo vid on this maybe??.
But what happened on the 2nd death star. He was still intrigued on how his father fell to the dark side. He had small taste of it, in dark Empire he was controlled by it in some way. Even through he betrayed the emperor!
But your right he should do a holocron on it!😊👍
We do not talk about that.
@@Vilgax00
True!
But it would be nice to hear about or at least touch on a little more!🤷♂️
He rush it with luke, he gave luke no real reason to join the dark side. while Anakin thought had no other option but to in brace the dark side.
Oh I don’t know, Qui Gon Jin would almost certainly do the same things Luke did. Not that he was much favored by the council, respected sure, but they were not exactly fans of him.
Anakin was the '' RETURN OF THE JEDI '' 😮😮
It's one thing to give over to anger to tap into that part of The Essence for selfish gain. It is another to tap into the suffering of your friends and the Universe to rid the world of a common enemy to true freedom.
Luke was knighted by Palpatine a sith loed not many jety can say at
Who cares what Disney thinks
All I can hear is Filoni trying to cover for Rian Johnson’s missteps
Filoni describes the Luke of the OT in that scene, and how Lucas wanted to the audience to perceive it. Ryan’s Luke was a guy, ruled by fear and limitations that never really evolved from the Empire Strikes Back. Note how he highlights that Luke believed throughout that there was still good in his father and uses selflessly casts his lightsaber aside forcing Anakin to choose to be the father. Ryan’s Luke would’ve believed him to be irredeemable and try to kill him just to get away, if he ever even managed to crawl out from under the stairs.
Facts
Filoni himself fell to the dark side, and it's a damned shame too.
Physical danger? Sure. Emotional danger? Also, yes, but he reined himself in and held firmly to the light side. Of course, he tossed it in the comics when Leia was pregnant with Anakin, but again, he came back to the light.
Luke had the ability to tap in to the dark side and not be consumed by it, unlike Anakin
Light or dark, is just the way what people's aspect as long as you know your true intention and your goal in mind. It your choice to use but every path have consequences that you need to live with it.
I just actually thought about some thing while you were talking. Luke was tremendously powerful in the force but he was not truly a Jedi Darth Vader was a Sith Lord but when he saved his son he became what he wants was a Jedi so once Anakin Skywalker came back there’s your return of the Jedi because Luke technically wasn’t fully trained well enough yet to really be considered a Jedi but Anakin Skywalker absolutely 100% was a Jedi return of the Jedi Anakin Skywalker turned away from the Darkside to save his son
I really want to see a cannon movie where it shows Luke turning to the dark side after the palpatine returned.
Luke tanked that force lightning pretty well.
Luke is the goodest good guy, the baddest bad guy, the goodest bad guy and baddest good guy you've ever seen.
Honestly never thought Luke ever came close to the darkside being in control an still do not...Lukes role was to be the final piece in the puzzle which the chosen one would bring balance to the force.
Legends Luke is the only true Luke Skywalker
Disney might own the IP, but that does not afford them rank of master.
You fall into the darkside trying to avoid it like batman refusing to take the life of the most evil he becomes most responsible for the evil they do
What if ahsoka tano helped grandmaster yoda to train luke skywalker on dagobah and it was she who went to help save luke's friends on bespin.
basically luke is ani without the jedi console
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Or because George said he was the most powerful that ever had been or would be
What do you think Luke's Sith name would've been if he'd joined the Emperor?
Legacy Dark Empire.
When luke was fighting vader and when he cut of his hand his eyes look like they turn yellow or is it just me
And WTF would dave filoni know about luke from return of the jedi?
You're wrong. It wasn't done as a moment of passion for his friends. It was planned out, every move. It had to be in order to end up on that plank on the Sand Barge which is where Lukes plan came to fruition. You see Dark Side use in a moment of passion, I see cold, calculating precision, (and more than just a little plot armour). Palpatine thought Luke was stronger than Anakin because the Force is manipulated by living tissue and Vader didn't have as much as Luke did at that point.
My guess is because of the daughter of the father and the son thingamajig
Luke has a way better reason for turning to the Dark Side than Vader did. The Emperor destroyed his whole family.
Darth KK is valid now 😂
WTF not having a weapon doesn't make anybody defenceless. He's in a small room packed with armed thugs. Jabba is a criminal who deserves execution. He didn't even bring his lightsaber but tried less damaging means by putting down some hogs and trying to persuade his flunky. He was far too gentle dealing with Jabba that is why he had to fight the rancor.
I've already FORCE CRUSHED that subscribe button 🤣🤣🤣
darth yoda vs darth luke
Day 493 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon
Filoni is my age. I am not taking anything from the mind of someone my age when Star Wars was released. It leads to...dum dum dum...the Disney-side.
well it was in the moves but then that was ment for the story that became the leghains timeline but disny have allready have thew all of that out of the window so short sightly allready. like by the way alot of legans metral that disny threw out bascly covered so much stuff. what wat if a told you that it was like what dsiny did was bacly would be what would be like logcaly be bascly exactly like thwoing out star trek TNG DS9 and voager lore all at once out of the alpha canon offcal winndow. heck disny realy when they thew out starwars legaids was the worse move they could have done.
Lmao.
sure, he feared Luke...
The Jedi were all cultist... easily manipulated good-guys... Luke was a good-guy that wasn't cult like, didn't perfectly follow everything Jedi used to be perfect on.
He followed his gut... and the force... like Qui-Gon... because there was no senate to force him as a Jedi.
Well ya he paved the way for " somehow palpatine returned"
I thought it was because he'd glimpsed the future darkside luke on byss from dark empire, knew he'd turn but got the timming wrong lol. Ps i hate canon luke, eu luke is only one for me
the Dark Side is not evil.
True, it is selfish. The battle is between selfish, and selfless, not Good and Evil.
@@willdavis3802 not selfish, either. the Dark Side is everything we are -- everything that makes life life -- our very core. How many evil things have the Jedi done in the service of the Light? The Dark Side does offer power but it also shows us who we are. the Jedi Code is anti-sentient. This is why Barris broke and why even Yoda nearly broke. The Jedi Code is a lie. The Jedi try remove everything that makes them sentient. All the code did was make them time bombs of negative energy as it has no outlet to express itself in a healthy way.
@@willdavis3802 the Dark Side is the essence of what we are. The Jedi Code is very much anti-sentient and it makes it very clear that you're just not to give a shit. This is why Barriss broke and why Yoda nearly broke. The Jedi try to remove the human element of themselves... It's a lie--the entire code is a lie... And a damn dangerous one at that! That lie prohibits Jedi from dealing with their problems and giving them no support and no healthy outlet and they just become balloons of negative energy until they pop. The Dark Side is power-- but more than that, it's also truth.
Yeah Luke *really* disliked Gamorreans, summing dark side power and immediately force choking two of em in ROTJ.