I know you said Anakin had more potential than Luke but I thought George Lucas stated that Luke had the same potential as his father. I could be wrong, of course.
I think you’re failing to realize that Luke didn’t have the “Jedi Mullet” ability and therefore has somewhere between 10-30 less cool points than Anakin. This alone would be more than enough to give Ani the dub
As a teacher and coach myself, I think it’s safe to say that the fall of Anakin was strictly due to the Jedi Order’s fear of him. Luke was much older when he started training but the Jedi order wasn’t there to hold him back; which allowed him to grow and flourish without restraints when the jedi order feared Anakin and he was much younger than Luke was. If they would have allowed Anakin to reach his limits and pushed him to his limits of skill and knowledge as a sith would have, Anakin would have been fine. Anakin knew he was capable of much more than what the Jedi Order were allowing him. But they handicapped him, instead of allowing the student to grow and advance with his skill; allowing Palpatine to capitalize on those frustrations he had.
Also the fact that the Jedi Order didn’t exactly believe in mental health lol Ani was a deeply traumatized individual as well that needed support and positive reinforcement. A father figure that Qui-Gon wanted to be for him.
@@ElPresidenteMargz Been saying for a min. Anakin shouldve had counseling before ANY training began. This kid grew up 9 years as a slave on Tattooine of all places. The literal cesspool of underground crime. The boys seen stuff that would traumatize adults.
The Jedi sabotaged Anakin and Luke for that reason alone he’s more powerful hands down. They were afraid of him. Anakin has RAW potential but was not as quick a learner as Luke naturally was. And that’s because of the mental blocks the Jedi put in place to slow him down...
I don’t feel like the Jedi order intentionally weakened Anakin, I think that it was just their dogmatic and traditional views that limited his teachings and held him back. I don’t believe the Jedi would intentionally sabotage the chosen one. Also it’s made clear the Jedi had become arrogant and assured of their superiority, so why would they have reason to fear Anakin? I think it was purely Anakin’s insecurities and Palpatines manipulation that made it seem as though the Jedi were deliberately handicapping Anakin.
@@echo5327 they were holding him back, they didn't fear Anakin they just didn't like to shift from their dogmatic views, hence why he was never made Master even though he deserved it, they also noted how gifted he was but never really took the time to let him advance quickly
@@promiscuouscrab4040 🎵🎵SWEET HOME REBELBAMA!!!!🎵🎵 Anakin: You know what son, before I was shown my future I was considering forcibly taking custody of you and your sister so I could raise you both myself as heirs but now you two have really made me have second thoughts about being a father. And on top of that you go on to be such an epic failure of a master that you caused my future grandson to turn into some pathetic emo parody of a sith lord who worships me like some fanboy? THIS ended up being my legacy!? Nope, fuck that. This timeline is going to be different! *CUE FORCE CHOKING*
The problem with this analysis is that we haven't seen how good Luke has actually gotten with his lightsaber combat by the time he appears Mando. We haven't seen him in a proper duel since ROTJ. And the fight choreography was much better in the prequels than it was in the OT as well. It might not really be as one sided toward Anakin as it seems based off of that. The lightsaber action was just not as good due largely to the technological limitations of the 70s and early 80s. Maybe Luke was better than he seemed even back then and they just didn't have the means to show us.
exactly, the fights back then weren't nearly as good due to the lack of tech. i think it would be a good idea to recast Luke so we can actually see what he's capable of instead using CGI mark hamill
I think it wasn't technology limitations.I think they adopted different approaches.OT lightsaber duels was coreographed by a professional Swordsman if I'm not wrong.While in the prequels they purposefully made the duels to be more spectacular,to show the age where Jedi wasn't rare,the more "civilised age".
@@Kai88988 nah he’s right it was the choreography they literally had christen haydenssen and ewan mcgregory duel with poles to get this scene right and they did it over and over this type of effort is lost when it comes to the Disney dumpster fire also he isn’t powerful as anakin in my opinion because even though both were holding back Vader would have given luke a run for his money if not best him and that is a anakin that lost 40% of his original power at the end of the day anakin became more powerful than the anakin we see at mustafaar and again he lost 40% of his power so just imagine a anakin at his full potential without the suit.
If Luke has been exploring the outer rim for 5 years, sifting through ancient ruins, inhabited by who knows what kind of creatures or beings, could that not be at least as much experience as Anakin's during the Clone Wars?
@john shaw that’s true but experience is everything and that alone has such an advantage over everything. I believe anakin is going to win cause he’s more skilled than Luke and has more experience but it would be ludicrous of me to say that Luke could never win against him.
This is why we need more Luke in new canon, show him building a new order and learning from the mistakes of the past, show him performing amazing feats in the force and being the Luke that he should be
Anakin at this point has much more battle experiance, but Luke has more control of his powers, Anakins are more like spikes...it is a very diffucilt vetdict, excellent video
@@mikenotic8430 mmmm that’s debatable sometimes the result doesn’t always come out that way I think AnakinVader is to experienced for him Luke is calm and such I agree but Anakin maybe inpatient and cock etc etc call him all those things But he isn’t stupid or blind he’ll know that Luke is no joke and will have to give it his all
@@barcabocalda2583 To be honest I think Anakin / Vader does go blind with anger which is why he faults and makes mistakes like in his duel with Obi-Wan. Although I agree with you. In all honesty, it’s safe to say they both could definitely kill each other, it just depends how it plays out, what locations and environment as well as mindsets
Luke took what little Saber training he had plus his loss to Vader in ESB and developed a technique designed only to overcome Vader. Pretty sharp for a kid. He learns on the fly, that is something most people only develop over time and experience. Couple that with the styles he learned that was lost over time, and Luke never was a fraud of the dark side. I swear Luke could bathe in the dark side and still come put clean. I believe that it because Luke never denied his emotions, he accepted them and learned to use them without subcoming. Like righteous anger.
Another advantage to Luke's credit, he has experienced the DEATH of loved ones and in the lesson taught to him on Cloud City - His hubris was sated. This removed the dam blocking his full use of the Force. Thus making him the last Grandmaster.
@@romijn1751 True! But he couldn't accept that lost. We all struggle with this I think. Compare, After the loss of Owen and Beru, Luke gains an a self-assured awarenes, a focus - If you will. And with each passing he becomes more in tuned with the force...including his Father's passing.
Legends Luke makes a point that he uses the emotion of love to fuel his powers. That is a HUGE no no for the Jedi. The Jedi were far too dogmatic. Emotion doesn’t lead to the Dark Side. Love and compassion are powerful and positive emotions, so I don’t see how it’s bad to use them. Legends Luke PROVES this.
A good quote to follow this come from jolee bindi from KOTOR "passion can make someone fall, but love... Love can save you". Anakin also embodies this when he tells padme "Jedi are required to love".
@@samwilson2250 yeah but Anakins Love for Padme is the main reason for Anakins fall to the dark side, thats why the Jedi didn't allow it. So they had a point.
@@deadlytofu6520 The main reason was because he feared to lose her and palpatine used that to lure him to the dark side. If it wasnt a secret than maybe he could have talked to somebody else other than palpatine and it may not have happened, but still mainly it was because he feared to lose her. The Jedi tried to prevent things like that by not allowing relationships.
@@jessemoog5310 True, but it was that love that was used against him, as well as his passion that made him fall. I will also argue that it was the love that Luke showed to his father that eventually brought him back to the light side.
I think what the Star Wars universe desperately needs is a "What if...?" series. This will answer a lot of questions and confirm a lot of fan theories. I think your channel has the potential to reach a lot of higher people at Lucasfilm, given your history with your Vader episodes.
Whilst it would be nice, part of what makes the community as large as it is and as strong, is because we can have all these theories and imagined scenarios and debate who would beat who and what would happen if….. , so part of me hopes they do and don’t
@@docf4100 And in those wars he was in a bunch of duels. Duels against Lumiya, Mara Jade, Shadowspawn, Palpatine, Caedus, the Lost Tribe of the Sith, mother fucking Shimrra Jamaane. Luke has the experience
@@MidnightNachos he was referring to "unpatient" which is supposed to be "impatient". And "has overconvidence" which is supposed to be "is overconfidence"
I think Anakin's lightsaber combat capability is a little bit underestimated here. No amount of theory and reading will ever be the same as real practice. Anakin witnessed Yoda, Windu and other incredibly powerful individuals fighting with his own eyes. He also fought against Dooku, one of the best duelists in the galaxy several times throught the films and Clone Wars. Yes, there is a lot to be said about Luke's mental superiority to Anakin. But I personally think when the combat prowess difference is that big, all others go outta window. Technique becomes obsolete against overwhelming power, and I believe Anakin is simply far too powerful and skilled compared to Luke for his mental state to make any difference. Kind of like a calm, cool and collected 10 year old boy going up against a 25 year old man throwing a temper tantrum.
You couldn't be more wrong...the smarter, more disciplined fighter will beat the physically stronger, emotional, more aggressive fighter EVERY time, if they're anywhere close to the same level, ability-wise, as Anakin and Luke were. Exhibit A, Obiwan defeated Anakin in his prime and prime Luke had superior skills to prime Obiwan
I think the Force trump fighting skill any day of the week. If you took the greatest non-Force using fighter in the Galaxy and pitted them against a Jedi who hasn't picked up a lightsaber in decades but meditates every day, the Jedi would always win. Yes, Anakin was powerful with the force. But at that point he was still extremely conflicted. There was a war raging inside him. He was filled with doubt and arrogance. Luke's mind and spirit were pure. It's not that Luke would have defeated Anakin. It's that Anakin would have defeated himself.
@@mrbill1138 yea that wasn’t due to obiwan being more powerful that was anakin being arrogant which is what caused him to lose. Other wise there was no reason anakin should’ve lost
Luke would have to be EXPONENTIALLY more powerful in the force just to even keep up with Anakin’s lifetime of formal training in saber combat. Luke never even held a saber until he was basically an adult.
Mmm maybe not, its worth keeping in mind Vader was his primary opponent an older more flexible, expierenced and subtle lightsaber duelist than his previous self. Luke fought him a number of times and while there is a good argument that Vader was holding back this still would have forced Luke to very great heights indeed. Its worth keeping in mind Anakin never really tested his true dueling skills until the clone wars when he fought Dooku and others, the rest of the time it was mostly blaster wielding foes. In a head to head duel with himself I'd argue Vader to be superior to himself when dueling Obi-Wan on Mustafar. I suspect we'd see a scene much like Vader and Lukes first encounter with objects being lobbed at Anakin constantly to keep him off balance and prevent him from pushing the advantage in a saber fight.
Most soldiers don't hold a weapon until they reach physical maturity, and it's kinda hard to claim that child soldiers have any real benefit over someone who joins as basically an adult for merit of their experience. Logically, it should make sense that someone trained to use a blade since childhood should be better than someone who started later in life, but realistically early weapons training more often than not just reinforces bad habits and overconfidence. Even Anakins wartime experience is probably more detrimental than it is a benefit, because Anakin at his physical prime had mostly fought far lesser opponents and cut them down without resistance, leading to a near fatal certainty in his own ability. At Luke's physical prime he had learned from the finest living defensive duelist and basically only fought the most physically powerful Sith of his time and both learned from and defeated him. Anakin isn't a pushover, but he presents a painful number of mistakes in most fights, because he's just so good that rarely matters.
@@BigHeadClan Nearly every point you made was wrong, his suit was restricting every aspect of his power by design (Palpatines design). Forcing him to be less flexible, drastically reducing his speed, he was deaf in both ears and his lenses assisted his vision due to the retina damage leaving him almost blind. All of his senses were worse than when he was Anakin, as were his reflexes and athleticism. His force sensitivity was also greatly reduced after losing all of him limbs. He made up for that with his darkside power spike but nevertheless, Anakin (prime) most definitely beats Vader (prime).
@@alexhealey3705 You're right, Vader was less strong then before... but even with that, when you look in the comics or in the future the obi wan series, Vader in a MONSTER of power ! he crush jedi likes nothing, he can fight multiple jedi and still be the winner, he is the jedi slayer of the Empire, that's not a little thing ! When Luke win againts Vader, you can argue that he didn't go to full power, that's true but when luke go berserk on him, Vader HAD to be full power to maintain, yes the element of surprise was a major factor in here, but still he is a sith, mastering the dark side and the lightsaber art, it was not "just" a mistake, luke was stronger then him when he let a little of dark side in is power. So anakin ? He was cocksure because "i am the chosen one" in the dark side moment and so insure about imself in the light side, Luke is way more calm, more in the "gray" side of the Force, and has we saw in the end of Episode 3, the calm jedi won againts the cocksure sith.
The element you didn't factor in was Luke's Hope. He would not be fighting to kill Anakin. He would be fighting to SAVE Anakin and there, he has the advantage over Obi-wan. He is Anakin's SON, somehow confronting him. He would be able touch a part of Anakin that Obi never could. Yes, they were like brothers, but Luke is a part of him, and more importantly, a part of Padme. Luke would have the appeal that Obi-wan could never muster. Obi-wan made Anakin jealous, but Luke would have made him proud. Even after decades of wallowing in the Dark Side, Luke manages to touch him, and bring him back. If he tried just after he had turned? I think he could have made him see that human immortality is thru our children, not defeating death. He would have brought him back thru his capacity for love and hope. Things that Anakin had given up on.
One small point: in multiple interviews, George himself said that Luke's potential is the same as his father's. Meaning that in G-canon, Anakin's Force potential is not "farther than Luke's;" Luke's Force potential is equal to Anakin's. George also said in a Rolling Stone interview that Anakin never reached his true Force potential, but Luke could. Apparently, it is also stated in the director's commentary for Empire that Luke is more powerful in the Force than Anakin, but I can't be arsed to watch through it rn to find the exact quote just for a TH-cam comment :p
@@jj2059 Well if you actually used your brain for once instead of just pulling head cannon out of your ass than it make sense to you, that is not how genetics work, you do not always inherent half of a trait off of a parent. Secondly if George Lucas himself the creator of star wars states that which he did, you cannot just disagree with that and write it off as conjecture, purely because it doesn't fit your arbitrary way of thinking
@White knight That doesn't seem accurate all the time because revan and bastila were the most powerfulist Jedi of their era and they gave birth to a non-force sensitive kid so it seems more often it's completely random the potential your offspring can have In regards to your own potential
When Anakin fought Obi wan he had legitimate hatred and resentment towards Obi wan, assuming they are dropped in a neutral place from their respective points in time. Would Anakin get angry enough at Luke to make him blinded by rage?
thats what I am saying unless Luke gets him angry there is no way anakin gets blinded by rage. Thats why I can't see Luke winning against a level headed Anakin unless tapping into the darkside
Uh no,Anakin didn't really hate Obi Wan that much in ep 3. Yes,he was upset cause he thought that Padme brought Obi Wan to kill him,but Anakin's anger is not as big as you might think and he even gave a warning to Obi Wan before the fight by saying "If you're not with me,then you're my enemy". Plus,Anakin has fallen to the dark side now which literally focuses on anger and hatred,he even had the yellow Sith eye when he slaughtered the CIS
@@fred9515 Even in that rage, when he slaughtered the heads of the CIS he was in MUCH more control, and like you said he had the sith eyes at the time. With Obi-Wan, it might not be all hate, but pain through immense love and trying to cut that bond. Dark side draws on a lot of negative feelings/emotions - like pain, heartbreak and anguish too. And most of the fight he didn't have the sith eyes showing. I really think that yes the arrogance and anger was on full display when Anakin was taken down, and that it existed withiin him....but it was the bond with Obi-Wan that really drew it out and blinded Anakin. At least, narratively that's my understanding from a story that ends their battle not just with the arrogant anti-Maul move, but with the tragic end of brotherhood between Obi-Wan saying he loved Anakin, and Anakin saying he hates Obi-Wan.
In my head, Anakin did reach his prime during 3. At least physically. The way I see it, he pulled off this crazy mission to save the chancellor from the enemy flagship, defeated Count Dooku, one of the greatest duelists in the galaxy, and p saved both Obi-Wan and Palpatine. If it wasn't for Anakins emotions, he probably WOULD have won against Obi-Wan on Mustafar.
That's why he wasn't the most powerful. He had the talent but his lack of control never would have allowed him to be on the level of prime Luke or Yoda.
I love how the part where he talks about force crush being questionsble, he show a picture of Mace Windu, who used force crush on Greivous in the classic Clone Wars series
I think you hit the nail on the head at the end saying Luke was a more powerful version of Obi-Wan. I'm sure after Ep6 he went to the Jedi Temple and just learned everything he could, but always considered Obi-Wan as the blueprint of what a Jedi is and so everything he learned was added as "would Obi-Wan do this and how"
I always felt like Obi-wan got too much shit for “allowing” anakin to turn to the dark side. The only thing that Obiwan ever did that negatively affected anakin in that way was the whole Rako Hardeen thing. I blame anakins fall 50 percent on Palpatine 25 percent on the council 25 percent on himself. So yeah Obiwan is the Jedi template
@@theblackprotagonist5936 yeah, but anakin would still be more if he reached his potential.. after all he does have the most mitichlorians of any soul in star wars which would come into play at that point
@@MichaelDouglas-24 The reason he said this was to put to bed any idea that Anakin would easily beat Luke. He literally said this to explain that Luke beats Anakin only because he is what Anakin had the potential to become
I think I have to give to to Anakin, his experiences in the clone wars as a general fighting in massive battlefields or discrete missions or dueling Dooku/Ventress/Savage gives him an edge imo
Either way, you are right on this one. “Prime” Anakin was SAVAGE. He was a battle-hardened veteran of the Clone Wars. The Force notwithstanding, Luke was never depicted as being a superior duelist. His training was marginal. We still don’t know how or where ‘Mando-era” Luke upped his game. But either Anakin or Vader, in their “Prime”, would beat Luke with a combination of saber work and dark side powers.
Vader when fighting Luke *was* in his prime, and Luke still won. And people say “oh Vader was conflicted and wasn’t trying”, which isn’t true since the ROTJ novelization says that Vader got angry and wanted Luke to know this fight wasn’t a joke, it was darkness, which implies that he starts trying against Luke. So Luke did beat Vader which obviously means that he can beat Anakin.
@@CallofDutyBlackOps2010 That novelization was written in the early 1980’s. Luke was still conceptualized as the “hero”’ of Star Wars. Anakin was just a ghost that appeared at the end of the movie absent his “Vader” armor. Knowing what the Prequels taught us about the Jedi, Sith and The Force, there is no way a half-trained Jedi could beat a Dark Lord of the Sith. Unless said Sith Lord deliberately “threw the fight”. Luke winning was OK in 1983. The Emperor was a surprise at the end of ROTJ - we had no idea he was the REAL bad guy in Star Wars, or a Sith Master. We didn’t even know what a Sith was in 1983 - it was never mentioned on-screen. Anakin/Vader was unquestionably the superior Force user and combatant, when viewed back from 2021. We knew nothing about him in 1983.
@@AgentM79 that’s a good point you make, but considering that those books are still canon, they continue to apply to the series even with the expanded information about the characters
He had Obi Wans journals which detailed lightsaber forms, as well as the tutelage of Yoda who was a master of all forms. It’s safe to say the fact that it didn’t show was due to constraints, like how Obi Wan and Vader’s duel in New Hope doesn’t match up to what they could choreograph in the prequels.
@@brendansmithcomedy Luke was a farmer on a desert planet with zero training. You say that he was able to learn Anakin-level lightsaber skills from a book? That’s no better than Ma-Rey-Sue in the Sequels, and her defeat of Kylo Ren. That would be like reading a book on Karate, and then going to an MMA championship and winning against athletes who have trained since childhood. Look; I totally get the direction where things are headed. Star Wars needs Luke back to placate the fan base. And I’m all for it. But they need to develop his story a bit more. Otherwise, folks like me will remain on Team Anakin. No one has swayed me from believing that Vader deliberately threw the fight in ROTJ. At best, he held back, and this led to Luke eventually getting the upper hand. Back in’ 83, I saw Luke as a hero, sure, but “lucky” as opposed to “good”. I thought Vader was defeated by “plot armor”, and Luke would have died had Vader not intervened. They can ret-con that any way they want. But In ROTJ, Vader wasn’t HALF as aggressive as he was in ESB. He didn’t even use his Force powers in the fight with Luke. The “powers that be” need to have Luke get trained by Ahsoka PRIOR to ROTJ. I have a feeling that they may eventually re-make the Star Wars OT. There is SO MUCH they can do to retcon a consistent canonical narrative. They absolutely need to do SOMETHING, because the franchise in cinematically DEAD now.
I know this is an old video but for the ones watching it right know, Anakin´s force power was evenly matched with Obi Wan`s because he was still conflicted about turning into the dark side, Imagine choking the love of your life, massacring your comrades at the Jedi temple and fighting your brother/mentor, he obviously was conflicted at the time
This is headcanon in terms of the primary canon at least. I like the explanation but sad fact is that they just didn’t do a good job at explaining why Obi-Wan didn’t lose way before Anakin was put into a position where his arrogant would be his demise. From how it’s shown in the film and novel he just lost bc he had to lol
I'd like to think of it this way: Anakin was the Chosen One, so he would've been the most powerful Jedi in the history of Jedi. Like, moving-planets-with-the-force strong. But due to his injuries and fall to the dark side, his power drained significantly. I'd say Darth Vader carries around 40% of Anakin's full potential. Luke, on the other hand, was Anakin's offspring (making him insanely powerful), but he was NOT the Chosen One. But, do to his rigorous training and connection to the Force, I'd say he attained around 70% of Anakin's true potential (making him more powerful than Darth Vader). That being said, I'd reckon that Anakin at his prime (100% of his true potential) would have the edge over Luke.
I have to agree. It’s a hard debate, but Like benefits from being Anakin’s son and inheriting so much of his strength, yet more calm and in line with Kenobi.
There’s no way Luke has the defensive capability of a form three master of 13 years and knowing Anakin inside and out as fully as Obi Wan did. I strongly disagree with that statement made in this video. It took everything he had to defend himself so how could Luke do that with no trouble and wait patiently for an opening as well? He would have to win by force ability unquestionably but he’d have to realize that before getting slaughtered by Anakin’s blade.
The age difference is key, location is key, I was always sort of meh on Luke until mando and this boosted even more. I’d love to see full potential ani vs legends luke. I feel as though that battle would yield a different result but deal much more in speculation because sadly we never saw FP ani. Excited to see your take as always.
In the disney canon vader has reached his full potential and never lost I only musafar which is why since he had troubles with luke i doubt the version of him that lost to obi wan Kenobi would be capable of defeating like at his prime
@@thephoenix4093 "Vader" reached his full potential. But "Anakin" did not. Something about all of his limbs being chopped off and is unable to use force lightning without harming himself among other things. Except if amped.
I think we’re looking at it in the wrong way, boys. We can’t say “if Luke used the dark side” or “Anakin doesn’t have the composure that Luke does” as both of these concepts go against everything that makes these characters strong. Luke is strong because he *DOESN’T* use the dark side. The dark side by nature utilizes emotion, this is the antithesis of Luke’s calm and collected demeanor that makes him stronger. Anakin doesn’t *need* composure because his most dominating displays of power have all been when he uses the dark side during moments of intense emotion. Taking these things away completely nullifies everything that makes them strong in the first place. Now, I agree with your stances on who wins what. Anakin wins combat hands down and Luke wins force hands down. Where it gets iffy is the actual fight itself. It all comes down to circumstance. Even in the OT, the only time Luke beats Vader is when Vader was handicapping himself ( after *already being handicapped in ROTS* ) and *even then* he needed to tap into the dark side. This goes to show how strong Ani was in his prime. If we look at the Clone Wars, Ani isn’t really ever seen as this “master strategist”, but look at how often he comes up with these crazy plans and strategies that somehow work every time. Luke helped in wars, sure. But Anakin served on the front lines of one of the biggest wars the galaxy has ever seen and did more than probably any other Jedi in the order during that era. I think Ani would have the edge in most circumstances. If Luke could hold him off and keep his cool long enough to read Ani and come up with a plan, he could definitely win. It’s how Obi-Wan won (how he Obi-WON lol). But I’d say Ani takes the W 7-8/10 times. He’s more experienced, stronger, more agile, a highly emotional dark side user, and pretty damn good at unorthodox strategy; just an all around more capable combatant. If Luke loses his composure and taps into the dark side, he loses. If Luke allows Anakin to push too hard or start to steamroll, he loses. Luke needs to find the perfect balance between defense and offense. Push him hard enough where he doesn’t have the time to think or plan, push him towards his emotions so he literally *can’t* think, but Luke also needs to be capable of defending against Ani’s stronger attacks until he can come up with a plan of his own. Edit: I’ve been thinking more and more on this fight, so I decided I’d like to add a few more things: Ani and Obi were both masters of their respective styles: Obi, defense, and Ani, offense. This made for an interesting dynamic for their fight. If the offensive fighter is more skilled, they will break through the defensive fighter’s defenses. If the defensive fighter is more skilled, they will be able to hold off the offensive fighter until he makes an error. We see this exact situation play out. Obi-Wan was playing with fire by fighting Anakin. By waiting him out and letting the fight drag longer, he increased the odds of Anakin making a mistake...but also increased his strength, making the odds of Ani breaking through his defense skyrocket. But Obi-Wan maintained composure as he was the best defensive combatant the galaxy had ever seen. It also helps that Obi never wavers. He refuses to give into his emotions and that makes him stronger and more strategic. Luke, as discussed in the video, is a hodgepodge of fighting styles. Sure, he mainly uses form 5 like Ani, but he’s not a master of it, more of a jack of all trades and that’s the one he mainly specializes in. Anakin masters it. This means Ani will have an infinitely stronger offense than Luke. And Luke only dabbling in other forms, won’t have the defensive expertise that Obi-Wan did. This makes him stalling out Ani a MUCH more suicidal option than it was for Obi. Not to mention, Luke’s greatest weapon is his calm...but Luke is also more prone to giving into his emotions than Obi. I think there’s A LOT of factors we need to take into consideration here.
You keep harping back to his loss to Obi Wan as a weakness, but it is Canonically stated that Anakin was not as powerful as he should be during that fight due to his conflicted mindset . He could not tap into the darkside against Obi Wan as well because he did not actually hate Obi Wan, he still deep down cared for him until Obi Wan cut him down. In this scenario you are presenting there would be no personal connection between Luke and Anakin. Anakin's greatest weakness is when something gets personal in his mind.. Dooku in Episode 2 and Obi Wan in Episode 3 being those examples. Anakin fought Obi wan without Sith eyes.. I have no doubt he would get the Sith Eyes and thus channel more ferocious darkside power against a Luke he has zero connection to.
It's not stated in canon that Anakin was weaker during Mustafar. Official lore says his powers increased after he swore allegiance to the Sith, but he remained equally matched with Obi-Wan, and the reference books state both sides were trying to kill the other. You're also dead wrong about him not hating Obi-Wan. The canon Family at War novel states outright he viewed Obi-Wan as the symbol of everything that was wrong and corrupt about the Jedi and the Republic, and he directed all of his anger and hate towards trying to destroy him. Anakin lost that fight fair and square due to his own rage and inexperience.
I swear I remember George saying that Luke reached his full potential whereas Anakin did not, for me Luke wins because I think that’s what George would have intended. Luke was the redeemer, the one who succeeded where his father failed, so it is only natural the son would surpass his father, especially considering Anakin’s many character flaws.
It's also a lot of people don't remember this but George Lucas literally said that he and his father were equals in potential Luke just managed to achieve it
Here's a fanfic idea this reminds me of: I always liked the idea of Anakin and Vader actually doing a duel within Anakin's heart during Revenge of the Sith. The idea of Anakin suffering from MPD and Vader being a front that consumed him from his traumas and darker emotions has always appealed to me, so the idea that Anakin actually duels Vader and loses to him for dominance in his mind struck me as an interesting thought. I can see the same happening in Return of the Jedi as Anakin regains control and finally destroys Vader. I imagine it would be a lot like the Rey visions scene in The Force Awakens; Anakin and Vader dueling across Anakin's memories, and then in Return of the Jedi, across Vader's memories. It's a fanfic I'd love to write some time, or even direct to life with CGI.
I a StarLog magazine Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker were originally two separate beings that plot would be interesting has taken return of the Jedi and Luke losing to Vader the plot twist Obi Wan statement Darth Vader betrayed and murdered your father in that twist of advents Anakin faked his death and he went into hiding in empire strikes back and Obi Wan says that boy is our last hope And Yoda says there is another Skywalker as of Anakin is alive a elder Anakin Skywalker a fully trained Jedi who would take on Vader and the Emperor
I'd like to think of it this way: Anakin was the Chosen One, so he would've been the most powerful Jedi in the history of Jedi. Like, moving-planets-with-the-force strong. But due to his injuries and fall to the dark side, his power drained significantly. I'd say Darth Vader carries around 40% of Anakin's full potential. Luke, on the other hand, was Anakin's offspring (making him insanely powerful), but he was NOT the Chosen One. But, do to his rigorous training and connection to the Force, I'd say he attained around 70% of Anakin's true potential (making him more powerful than Darth Vader). That being said, I'd reckon that Anakin at his prime (100% of his true potential) would have the edge over Luke.
@@LvngBrd also, the current canon Vader is so much weaker than what is now considered legends. Legends Vader was more of 50-60% of Anakin’s true power, bolstered to about 85% when he’s angry.
Excellent in-depth analysis! Even factoring in their heights and how much of their hand/arm was cybernetic! I agree with the overall conclusion: Anakin is basically this raging storm in the Force, and it would be up to Luke to remain centered in the eye of that storm.
Yeah. Im obviously an anakin fan, but the arrogance factor is what plays in. Also, Luke was basically trained by by man who was able to best Anakin. Unfortunately, Luke wins this one (Love both of them tho)
I feel like there is a huge difference between "using the force for good" and "using the good side of the force". This is actually a really keen point and interesting topic. Would love to see an analysis on this.
I fully believe that in that scene in Mando Luke's heart rate never elevated. That is how calm I believe he was. I don't even recall him being out of breath when they opened the doors and walked in.
That's a really good point! Luke moved pretty lazily while he choked out the TWO pig guards in ROTJ, whereas Anakin would have to focus and almost over-gesture to choke a single person.
So I have always interpreted The Chosen One to be Luke. I have always figured that Luke was the one that brought balance to the force. I know Anakin "killed" Darth Sidious, but I have always believed that was only because of Luke. What are your thoughts on this? I'd like to hear what others think.
I mean a lot of people definitely think/used to think Luke was the Chosen One but it's literally canonical fact that Anakin is the Chosen One. It's not even a matter of interpretation. Luke was instrumental in helping Anakin fulfill his destiny but Luke's role is simply to restore balance within Anakin so that Anakin could then restore balance to the Force by killing Sidious.
@@darthhollister01 Respectfully, I disagree. There is the scene with Obi-Wan and Darth Maul on Tatooine in Rebels where Maul asks if the person Obi-Wan is protecting is the chosen one. Obi-Wan says he is, referring to Luke.
@@NoMonies1987 it's not a matter of disagreement. Obi-Wan was just plain wrong. He said that because he thought that when Anakin fell to the Dark Side, it meant that Anakin wasn't the Chosen One anymore. In the OT Yoda and Obi-Wan were training Luke to KILL Vader, not to save Anakin. They both thought that Luke had to be the new Chosen One and destroy the Sith. They were wrong. George Lucas has literally stated multiple times that Anakin is the Chosen One, not Luke. And it doesn't even matter who is "supposed" to be the Chosen One cause when it comes down to it, if Anakin hadn't chosen to directly intervene and to kill Sidious, Luke would have died and balance would never have been restored. Anakin's choice was the direct cause of Balance being restored and the Sith being destroyed.
Before watching i will say this, no suit vader wouldve thrown em around like a toy in my opinion but in this scenario, i think Luke takes the edge considering how underutilized anakins powers were. Edit: coming from a vader fanboy and a fan of anakin.
you do realize episode 6 luke is equal to episode 6 vader which is him in his prime. Sorry, mando luke absolutely shreads vader, eats that bitch alive. Go watch the ROTJ fight scene where luke shreds vader in the end of it. Source: George lucas
@@barkley8285 I'm not going to lie vader did loose but it's only cause he was conflicted and he wasn't trying to kill him also he was trying to bring the dark side of luke out
@@barkley8285 1 how about you re-read my comment, i said NO SUIT Vader. (Meaning he doesn't lose on mustafar) plus Vader with his suit lost a big chunk of his potential so he was never able to recover after that loss, thus not being in his prime. No suit Vader would've thrown around Luke like it was nothing and thats just a fact. Plus if you wanna talk about what actually happened Vader wasn't going all out or he would've had the upper hand due to experience, him using dark side powers, and his physical stature.
Anakin is also my favorite character, and I would always say that he would beat Luke. His battle experience is such a huge advantage. Anakin just isn't physically skilled but he is also a tactician. But when you mentioned Luke was trained by the force ghosts. I started thinking which ghosts, and of course it would be Yoda and Obi-Wan but also Anakin himself. Anakin would make sure Luke was superior than he ever was. This, along with Luke having Padame's cooler temperament, leads me to believe that Luke would defeat Anakin.
Full potential wise Anakin would win there is probably alot more force powers we have missed out on after Anakin threw away his full potential he could of created different powers using the force we will sadly never know.
Experience as a general in clone wars, And Luke is just to slow, Luke is wise and smart but falls short on strength,speed,aggression, Raw power with the force, and endurance.
@@Anakin-Skywalker. I don’t see how you came to the conclusion that Luke is slow and lacks all those other things you mentioned. His trilogy was made in the 70s, when the technology wasn’t as great, and the directors decided to take a completely different approach to the choreography when they made the prequels. Even then, we saw how he could be aggressive and display great strength when he straight up overpowered Vader in ROTJ (Vader was definitely holding back some, but that’s still an incredibly hard thing to pull off regardless considering how Vader’s suit granted him physical strength that was borderline superhuman). Luke could actually be much better than he appeared to be in the movies, especially since we haven’t seen that much of him in his prime after ROTJ
I think since Luke was trained by Obi-wan himself, he would have been taught a few tricks. Obi-wan probably showed the move that defeated Maul to Luke. Also Kenobi would have also taught Luke about the high ground. Basically everything that led to Anakins demise would have been passed down to Luke. I totally think Mando Luke can take revenge of the sith Anakin.
Obi wan never got to train luke unless u mean on the millenium falcon...and at that point luke thought vader killed anikan. Yoda trained luke, briefly. Luke is basically self taught.
@@Shin_Akumi i believe it’s known that there was a couple month time skip from when Luke met Obi-wan to when they met Han at Mos Eisley’s. There’s an unspoken/unfilmed training with Obi-wan and Luke
My money is on Luke. Even though Anakin might have had more training, he never had the maturity or calm that Jedi Luke had. That's my personal opinion.
@@JayArr96 exactly! Like palpating told anakin “I can feel you’re anger, it gives you focus.. makes you stronger” that doesn’t mean anakin isn’t going to lose if he isn’t calm headed cause all of his powerful moments came from the dark side and everyone acts like if you use the dark side you will lose which is bullshit.
@@jaxsontuttle4932 no but it leads you to slipping because of basic combat theory yes anger can give you power but it’s in exchange for decision making and impromptu maneuvering. It lost him his fight with Obi-Wan, he straight up thought the power difference made him invincible. Which in real life analogy, is very realistic when you’re angry your decision making is flawed. Rage is different, which is what he learned in his Darth Vader arc. He went from being an angry sad fighter to a rage machine, which enhances him to his limit, while still being an analytic powerhouse.
@@dontbemad.5435 agreed. His ego was his downfall and led him to lose against obi wan. If anakin was more patient and not on edge to defeat everybody he would conquer Luke or anybody.
@@dontbemad.5435 you can’t say that his anger is what made him lose because anakin became his most powerful self when he was angry that’s what gives him his strength, speed, and focus comes in because he’s angry. It’s like saying if the hulk was more calm minded he would beat thanos or his other villains.
14:27 you said that he’s much more powerful potential wise which is actually incorrect considering what George Lucas said himself about Luke having equal potential to Anakin.
And also, Lucas said that Luke and Leia would complete the Chosen One prophecy that Anakin started and both of their max potentials is as big as Anakin's. Wish we got Lucas's sequels... Edit: Correction of wrong points. Nothing much
At the same time that statement may not hold true anymore. Mortis Anakin and Force Nexus Vader showed way higher power levels than anything Luke has shown in 6 movies and the Mandalorian
@@lord2.0works No, George said the Leia would be the Chosen One --politically. That she'd bring POLTICAL balance to the galaxy. While Luke re-made the Jedi Order, avoiding the pitfalls of the old Jedi order.
@@lord2.0works no he didn’t lmaoo “At the center of the movie is a lot of exposition, it's a lot of explaining what has happened, and why things are the way they are. In this particular case, there is a whole issue of Luke's sister, and you know, the fact that they were twins. Which is an element that has to be revealed, which comes in later, in terms of who is the 'other' that was talked about in Empire Strikes Back. And how could that person become as powerful as Luke? Well obviously if they were twins, then if she were trained, then, she has the same abilities as Luke has. That becomes an important issue, especially in terms of resolving all the love triangles." --George Lucas, ROTJ DVD Commentary.
@@auntmaysumbrella to be fair both Anakin and Vader have had a lot more training than Luke easily and Luke beat a Vader so was holding back, but still beat him so Luke has shown a lot of potential just being able to match Vader alone. Why would Yoda and Obi wan rely on Luke alone to stop both Vader and the emperor.
I just realized that palpatine tried doing the same thing with Luke that he did to Dooku and Anakin. Killing Dooku was the last thing Anakin did before become Darth Vader. He wanted to do the same with Luke by making him kill his father. He also had Vader like Dooku not actually fighting Luke or Anakin so that they would die making it the first step towards the Darkside. Anakin had a lot of steps but this truly was the first step seeing if he would just kill someone unarmed.
From my point of view Anakin would end his son's hallway droid killing career. Too talented and too powerful. Don't under estimate his powers .Good analysis tho.
Nah, I know your an Anakin Stan, but that simply is not the case. Luke has more experience in the force and reached to his potential further, more level headed and focused. Luke would win.
@@mikenotic8430 I don't reallu get the "more experienced in the force " thing. Palpatine was way more experienced than Windu and he lost to him in a lightsaber duel. Dooku was way more experienced than Anakin and he lost too. Anakin may be cocky but it is clear that Luke don't react well to emotions if you consider ROTJ and TLJ.
A big thing I think he missed in this video was that Obi Wan was a master of form three and knew Anakin like a book he had personally written. Mace referred to him as, “the” master of form three. Luke is definitely not that and Obi Wan admits that it took everything he had to defend against Anakin’s onslaught so I don’t believe Luke would be able to defend against Anakin for an extended period of time as Obi Wan did at all. If it was such a challenge for Obi Wan after having 13 years to master form three I don’t see Luke coming anywhere near that level of defensive skill. Luke has to win by force ability otherwise he’d be in pieces pretty quickly. The question is if he could realize that in time.
I personally think Luke from season 2 is stronger in the force at this point while Anakin is better at lightsaber fighting but I think the gap is closer in lightsaber fighting so I personally say luke wins this.
It’s a 50/50 between the two. Me personally I’d say anakin wins more because he’s the chosen one and he’s just way more skilled and more powerful with the force. But luke would be the only person who could defeat anakin more than any other Jedi’s
@@jaxsontuttle4932 anakin was immensily strong but he was more focused on his lightsaber dueling than his force powers hence the stalemate with obi wan. If he fully utilised his raw force power he would easily defeated anyone. luke was more attuned with the force as he practiced more and without limitiations of the jedi order. Anakin is a better duelist and by far the stronger person but luke was the faster more agile fighter plus as star wars theory said more calm so my verdict is luke wins.
I think Luke wins also. I mean he does have the same force potential and raw power that Anakin(George Lucas' words not mine) and I think that Luke was trained more as a weapon against Vader and papa palps than any Jedi before so maybe his training on a whole was unorthodox and therefore he is an unknown factor in how he would confront Anakin. Just my opinion.
Great question. For me it depends on at what point in their respective developments this theoretical fight takes place. Anakin had a superior head start with better training in skill and technique. Luke had a superior head start in mental growth and maturity. It's been said that Anakin's offspring would have had the same force potential as him (as well as any subsequent generations). To that end I feel like Luke at the end of the OT would in the next few years eventually be as strong as Anakin at his height in the middle of RotS. Once Luke gained the experience and refined his skills he would have exceeded that level because he would not have fallen (to the dark side nor to his own arrogance) as Anakin did, and Luke would have grown into master-hood to become the great Jedi his father should have been. Luke as Jedi Master is one reason why I love the "legends" version of him. Also, I find it exceedingly poetic for the son of the Jedi who destroyed the Order to be the one to re-found the Order and begin building it back up, albeit a reformed version of the Jedi Order.
I loved your whole explanation, great video! I also think that Anakin wouldn’t have the same type of emotions fighting Luke vs how he did with Obi wan. Hopefully in the Kenobi series we will see a dark side anakin with just pure drive and I think that version of Anakin would beat Luke in a fight. Anakin’s power at the end of the clone wars + his creativity in battle puts him on top in my opinion. ugh tough analysis 😂😂
I love that you really attempted to give this as fair a look as possible. I think your analysis was great tbh. It'll be interesting to have you revisit this topic in the future as more information potentially comes out.
I think it would just be that Luke would play a “back to the future” role and convert Anakin before he fully goes into the dark side. He’d be like, “Anakin, I am your son”.
Love this video! One thing to consider- Luke is a carbon copy of Anakin in his force potential, according to George Lucas himself. I would say Luke is not nearly as behind in his power potential compared to Anakin at this point. It is possible that Luke benefits from the potential of the Chosen One status as much as Anakin does.
It's a tough call..Anakin has more experience being taught by a generation steeped in Jedi knowledge. But Anakin had issues, and was the product of a broken system that was about to fall apart due to its inherent flaws. Those flaws within Anakin allowed a less powerful Jedi defeat Anakin in mortal combat. Even before Anakin turned to the darkside fully, in his earlier years he showed his willingness to deceive the Jedi and marring Padme against the rules required of a Jedi. He murdered an entire village in his rage at his mother's death after her capture and torture. He ignored his mother's fate and status for 10 years before making an effort, but it was too late.. Anakin had problems and the Jedi had problems. The system was broken, Anakins fall to the darkside and fall of the Jedi were symptoms of a greater problem. Disinterest and dismissal to listen to and heed the Will of the Force. Qui Gon Jinn, was the last true Jedi, in a broken system with broken teachings. Luke Skywalkers greatest gift was his struggle with the teaching of Yoda on Dagobah. He failed over and over because he trusted his own judgment. Listening to Yoda is not the same thing as listening to the Force. Luke learned more from his failures than most would have learned from obedience to Yodas teachings. Half trained Luke choose to ignore the council of Kenobi and Yoda, to act on the visions he received in the Force. When Luke refused to stay he was told he would face Vader alone without their support. Vader was in complete control and dominated Luke, and while weakened and defenceless Vader revealed Obiwons lies and manipulation with Vaders connection to Luke. Luke chose to fall to his death rather than give in to Vader, which surprised Vader, then Luke survived, which surprised Luke and with his friends help he escaped. Luke continued to train on his own for a year while planning with friends to find and liberate Han Solo. In that time Luke grew in power, knowledge, and wisdom that his second fight Vader was very different than the first. Vader beaten and helpless, Luke chooses a second time to deny giving himself to the darkside and become the Emperor pupil. Anakin allowed his desires and lusts to twist him into something other than what he was meant to be. Luke was his own man, he loved his friends and made them family as he had none. He choose to listen to the will of the Force. He choose Love or Hate, or Fear...Just as Vader was saved by choosing Love over Hatred or Fear. So you tell me, who do you think is the stronger?
In my opinion Anakin wins Mid-High Diff. No offense to Luke but he has way less training than Anakin. Anakin also almost broke Obi wan’s arms in their battle on mustifar. He also was described as a blue blur when fighting. Luke is more durable because he tanked Palpatine’s lighting but I just don’t see Luke taking the win here. I’m talking about Anakin at the start of ROTS because I think he was in his prime because he wasn’t as cocky when compared to Knightfall Vader.
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I would still go Anakin, for the simple fact that one line you said calls into question every point you gave to Luke in regards to how he'd already fought and beat Vader. The fact that you said Vader was toying with him, wasn't fighting him seriously as he was trying to turn him, and that gave Luke the chance he needed to win, kind of hurts those arguments. We don't know how Luke would have fared if Vader had been legitimately trying to kill him like Anakin would have been in that versus.
Also, imagine the conflict in Anakin's mind when fighting his son who is more powerful than him in the force. He thinks he's the most powerful being in the galaxy only to meet his equal of the same blood. Even normally in life sons surpassing their dads causes conflicting feelings of pride and shame. Anakin didn't raise Luke, so there would be no pride. That would be a huge blow to his arrogance.
Exactly, there's just 1 mistake tho. Luke isn't more powerful than Anakin, they are equal (with Anakin being slightly a bit more powerful but full potential Ani > full potential Luke).
TBH, I see Luke winning. He may have less training than his father at the same age, but Luke has a purity of purpose. Anakin was always conflicted, his mind and heart torn between the Light and Dark. Luke knew who he was and had already conquered the Dark Side and was wholly committed to the Light. I can't speak on the technical aspects, but Luke's mind and spirit were pure while Anakin was at war with himself (and this war would have defeated him)
Huh? bro Anakin was literally born from the force and any force user torn from light and dark are powerful Anakin at a young age was stronger than most Jedi Masters ik Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion and Ik I’m sucking Anakins dick but It’s crazy to ever think Luke could beat the Legendary Anakin Skywalker even Vader in his prime literally purged the galaxy of the strongest Jedis I’m talking about Jedi at the rank of grandmaster Maybe mace window but Luke? Just no
I think you guys are misunderstanding this comment, Luke’s trust and commitment to the light side and the force itself was extremely similar to that of Obiwans in that when they find their center (which for these two isn’t difficult thanks to their trust in the force) they are nigh unbeatable. It’s not that Anakins raw power wasn’t greater than that of any other force user, it’s that being torn between the light and dark made it nearly impossible for the chosen one to find his true center and to trust that the force will guide him unerringly, his entire life he suffers terrifying visions and his entire drive is to amass such strength that he can cancel out the will of the force which isn’t possible even for the chosen one which is proven in the fight between him and his old master Obi. I’m not saying Luke would for sure win, but I do think he was much more certain about his place in the galaxy and trusts the will of the force completely which is a HUGE advantage, Vader even says in a new hope that the power to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the force.
@White knight the original jedaii, while certain using the force as a whole, was still extremely wary fueling their powers with negative emotions (the book Dawn of the Jedi: Into the Void has some great insight into their beliefs if you’re interested). Like SWT said, Luke doesn’t care about whether the power he’s using is “light” or “dark” but rather his intent and using his will to do good on the galaxy to fuel even these “darker” powers means he will never be submerged in the dark side and the same can be said for the Jedaii, the great schism that saw the birth of the Sith (as a religion not the actual race) was caused by members of the jedaii that began fueling their power with negative emotions to gain greater strength, falling completely into darkness and fleeing from their masters to the Sith homeworld
@@jamesongillen1608 That's exactly what I was saying. Luke trusted the Force 100% because he understood his place in it. Being in such a place gave him focus, confidence and purity. Even Dark Siders needed purity to fulfill their true potential. Anakin never had that. Maybe as Vader he did (before he was pulled to the Light by Luke) but as young Anakin he was always in conflict with himself. Since Star Wars is more about character and metaphysics, that would have been the most important thing. Lucas wouldn't have just thought about power levels and neither would most (good) writers. A fictional fight is always about more than how strong or talented the combatants are.
The fact you want to throw Starkiller into this is amazing! Going off this formula, I would agree with you. Luke a few years after "Return of the Jedi" is more of a grey jedi. I think grey jedi have a stronger connection to the force than any jedi or sith due to their code of justice/balance. Though the experience of dueling and combat that Anakin has is what keeps this battle close until the fatal mistake. Love your theories and content 🤟
My opinion for who my favorites are would be anakin for his fall to the darkness, the story was amazing and really shows the true side of humanity, as any of us could be succumbed to that, as we’d wanna protect the ones we love too, but sometimes at that point falling so deep you don’t feel like you deserve the redemption anymore so pushing yourself further into the darkness believing it’s who you are now.. as for Luke I like his story for his bravery and heroism, optimism, not giving up on a loved one, believing there’s good in people and is willing to put his life on the line in saving those who he loves, a lot like his father but more like his mother calm and collective and trying to negotiate peace rather than force it through with violence like his father.. as for Qui Gon I love him for his wisdom, caught between light and darkness, he believed rather flowing with the Force but also wasn’t afraid to utilize the force and bending it when needed to be.. which put him in the middle of the dark and light finding balance between the two.. as for Obi Wan well I like his story because the man was literally Anakins Brother, unfortunately he was the only one who could defeat him at the time due to him being the one who trained him, it was literally a tragic story for Obi Wan too, he lost a brother that day.. now for Yoda well I just like him because he was wicked fast in the prequels and was supposed to be the OG and most powerful Jedi of his time, and for Mace well because his lightsaber is purple and he’s just a badass
Given the prognosis of the two, I find the explanation of their abilities: experience, temperament, raw ability and connection to the Force, to be quite accurate. Luke's calm approach would keep him more connected to the flow of the Force and adapt his self-learned Djem-So to work like Obi-Wan's Soresu; how he would immerse himself into the Force, pushing his technical ability higher to keep up with Anakin's pressure and ferocity all the while parrying at the correct angles without losing advantage in the duel. Perhaps the only wild card or unknown factor in this duel is Anakin's unachieved potential. Anakin's youth and spur to climb higher than any Jedi in Episode III doesn't come from his lust for power but more from his desperation to keep Padmé alive, quoting Yoda: "The shadow of greed that is." While this coupled with Anakin's unconsolidated foundation within the Dark Side would cause his defeat to Obi-Wan, despite his overwhelming new powers. I concur that it would lead to his defeat against Luke. Although I doubt we could comprehend the magnitude of Anakin's power if he reached the penultimate height of the Chosen One's ability, as he would truly be the greatest the galaxy had ever seen, where I believe no one would be his equal.
Luke would win. At this point he had less training than Anakin, but Anakin in revenge of the sith, he was always sad, confused, worried, or hurt, leading him to make mistakes. Luke was incontrol of his emotions, giving him the upper hand mentality.
I would like to add that battle tactic wise and when it comes to dueling anakin all day would smack Luke’s ass because anakin was a Jedi but an extremely unorthodox Jedi just like qui-gon was and I get we have to stick to canon but Luke snapping over just Vader threatening leia is extremely brash and impatient, as to where his father was living a secret marriage that no one could know, was leading armies of clones into battles where they’re outnumbered 5 to 1 almost all the time, was dealing with the council consistently putting his ideas and his skill down and treating him like a dog and only praised and were willing to listen to him when it was convenient for them and had no problem putting all this pressure on him calling him the chosen one but yet not giving or showing their full trust in him as fellow Jedi. Our boi anakin had to grow up a lot faster than Luke did anakin had no such luxury of being able to be himself or be able to grow because the tight leash the council kept on him. To be able to deal with this for even a year requires a lot of patience and mental strength and yes I know anakin eventually succumbed to all this and became Vader. But to say that Luke has the mental strength to even do that at the age in mando for even a year is a hard no because as theory said and today himself the skywalker blood is powerful and their strength lies within their emotions, their passion and after all both anakin and Luke are human and there’s only so much you can take before you snap
That's why luke's Jedi order succeded he teached them the Skywalker's way "Use your emotions to become more powerfull but do not give to them to not be consumed by your own darkness" i mean in legends Luke always used his emotions And litterally became a lightside Nexus Himself
@@fersho450 Luke’s Jedi order failed it was his arrogance in thinking he was a master already that caused him to start his order and Luke himself says that he thought he was foolish to think he was ready to teach a new generation of Jedi and that he was on a power trip because of what he had already accomplished and thought teaching Jedi would be an easy task for him but his order ended the same way the republic did by the hands of the skywalker and I do mean Luke as well yes Ben solo fought his own classmates but, Luke raised his light saber against him first
Dooku was considered one of the best duelists of his time, able to hold his own against Yoda. And Anakin beat him. Anakin stayed focused the entire fight and out-played him. I don't know why he always assumed Anakin would lose his cool during the fight, he was a very tactical thinker. Luke had no formal lightsaber training, and would get his ass handed to him very quickly by Anakin.
A big thing I think he missed in this video was that Obi Wan was a master of form three and knew Anakin like a book he had personally written. Mace referred to him as, “the” master of form three. Luke is definitely not that and Obi Wan admits that it took everything he had to defend against Anakin’s onslaught so I don’t believe Luke would be able to defend against Anakin for an extended period of time as Obi Wan did at all. If it was such a challenge for Obi Wan after having 13 years to master form three I don’t see Luke coming anywhere near that level of defensive skill. Luke has to win by force ability otherwise he’d be in pieces pretty quickly. The question is if he could realize that in time. Even then his force ability is only by a small margin at best so even then his victory isn’t guaranteed.
Incorrect, he literally force choked his own Wife out of anger. If that's not "tactical thinker" and being calm then... No. Luke had plenty of training, and had experience fighting Vader plenty of times, and a more packed up Galactic Civil war experience. Being older than Anakin. You cannot claim Anakin is a calm person who can keep control of his emotions if he choked his own wife, you just cannot. Domestic abuse is not emotional calmness. It's Irrational, bursty and disgusting behaviour. It's as simple as.
and why would you think Luke would win? if we let them fight in their prime Anakin can obviously win easily.. he has better training (as he have learned for years in the jedi temple) and he has more experience (against other force sensitive powerfull opponents like Dooku or Ventress) and he is stronger in the force (he will use his anger and it will make him more and more powerfull) while Luke had only a few months proper training with Yoda and he (I mean Luke) didn't really ecnounter with other powerfull trained force sensitive beings to pratice/fight with (I mean, yeah he fought with Vader twice and first Vader was only toying with him and the sec. time Vader was holding back/let him win)
@@Kashmulla1 I didn't see it, and I won't watch it, lately I have problems with that theory is confusing canon and legends and he is trying to "sell" it like everything would be canon.. so if he said the same then it is good, if not then we can have different opinion.. I wrote to you, not to him and I asked you, not him
@@Kashmulla1 so asking you a question, that you still can't, could not, or don't want to answer is arguing? Having an opinion is arguing (we live in a free world)? I just asked you a question and said my opinion. I clicked on it cause the title was interesting and stopped watching as soon as theory said again smt that is not canon as it would be canon.. I mean if you think sw theory is a god, he can't be wrong and only his opinion matters and you don't have your own, just his then don't even bother to answer my original question (no offence)
I was thinking the whole time “Luke would probably be a more powerful Obi Wan.” And then you said it! 🤣 Awesome idea; would love to see a legends Luke vs Undefeated Vader video in this style.
It'll be a tough fight tbh but I think still Anakin will overpower luke Anakin literally is the fuckn chosen one but there are still some plus points that luke can give him the toughest fight as an offensive dueler We saw a bit of dark side in luke when Anakin threatens him that he'll make Leia turn to the dark side and he became so offensive that he almost kicked anakin's butt in a few slashes. It would be a fight well to watch if both Anakin and luke are pissed off on each other. Watching an offensive vs offensive duel would be worth watching
@@fersho450 that's what I'm saying ma man He'll still overpower luke But it won't be easy because while trying to face Vader he was being offensive just like Anakin, so that would be more entertaining than Obi wan vs Anakin on mustafar.
Can't really argue with your logic. Luke was on another level in Mando and he would be able to outlast Anakin for the exact reason you state...anakin would grow impatient and overly emotional. He would make a mistake like he did on Mustafar. All he had to do there was jump away from Kenobi and then circle around him but his arrogance and anger made him want to prove his master wrong so badly that he tried to jump over him
While Luke is defo more powerful in the force, Anakin has been formally trained for 13 years, facing constant war for 3 of them, training with and fighting against some of the most powerful duelists out there. Luke had 20 minutes of training with Obi and a weekend of fucking around with Yoda. Ani takes the dub for me
To be fair, most of Luke’s battle experience came from hands-on fights too, namely Darth Vader. It’s why his fighting style mirrors Anakin’s so much; in a way, Luke learned how to duel primarily from his father! And we learn in comics that Luke fought some pretty gnarly opponents during his time as well, including the Grand Inquisitor!
Lmfao he fought old Vader once and got wiped with zero effort and again when Vader just let him win. Also got his ass kicked by Leia and a little girl with a week training. His experience is getting his shit pushed in and looking embarrassingly unskilled doing it
I’d love to see you give your opinion on other versus series creators like EvanNova95 or Jensaari1, they do very in depth videos and seeing your opinion on their matchups would be interesting
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Who wins?
Luke!
Who’s taller? If Luke is taller-> high ground-> Luke wins
Gotta go with Luke here man. Love Both of them
I know you said Anakin had more potential than Luke but I thought George Lucas stated that Luke had the same potential as his father.
I could be wrong, of course.
@@chamilton35 this is true
I think you’re failing to realize that Luke didn’t have the “Jedi Mullet” ability and therefore has somewhere between 10-30 less cool points than Anakin. This alone would be more than enough to give Ani the dub
But… the bowl cut….
Hes got a point
He’s right.
@@grantfuller6123 ikr
LMAOO
All Luke needs to bring to the fight is some sand from Tatooine. He’ll win easily. Know your enemy’s weakness.
But darth vader loves Sand
@@maadtee6281 NO
He pulls a Dale Gribble and throws a handful of pocket sand at Anakin
Pocket Sand!!!
@Anakin Skywalker Take your loss, young Skywalker.
“I’ve become more powerful than any Jedi has ever dreamed of!”
Not a fan of your profile photo
@Hussein Muslemani From Laval, Quebec why tho. It looks sick
@@chancellorpalprotein2886 it's a bunch of lines with a pasted head and a glow stick no offense
@@chancellorpalprotein2886 I disagree it is not sick
Rey: hi
As a teacher and coach myself, I think it’s safe to say that the fall of Anakin was strictly due to the Jedi Order’s fear of him. Luke was much older when he started training but the Jedi order wasn’t there to hold him back; which allowed him to grow and flourish without restraints when the jedi order feared Anakin and he was much younger than Luke was. If they would have allowed Anakin to reach his limits and pushed him to his limits of skill and knowledge as a sith would have, Anakin would have been fine. Anakin knew he was capable of much more than what the Jedi Order were allowing him. But they handicapped him, instead of allowing the student to grow and advance with his skill; allowing Palpatine to capitalize on those frustrations he had.
Also the fact that the Jedi Order didn’t exactly believe in mental health lol
Ani was a deeply traumatized individual as well that needed support and positive reinforcement. A father figure that Qui-Gon wanted to be for him.
This is the greatest explanation I've heard
@@ElPresidenteMargz Been saying for a min. Anakin shouldve had counseling before ANY training began. This kid grew up 9 years as a slave on Tattooine of all places. The literal cesspool of underground crime. The boys seen stuff that would traumatize adults.
Thank you! Totally agree
I think this definitely plays a major part of it as well
The Jedi sabotaged Anakin and Luke for that reason alone he’s more powerful hands down. They were afraid of him.
Anakin has RAW potential but was not as quick a learner as Luke naturally was. And that’s because of the mental blocks the Jedi put in place to slow him down...
Roberto and I share the Star Wars fandom. Nice.
I mean, luke is literally that good cuz he is born out of anakin
I don’t feel like the Jedi order intentionally weakened Anakin, I think that it was just their dogmatic and traditional views that limited his teachings and held him back.
I don’t believe the Jedi would intentionally sabotage the chosen one. Also it’s made clear the Jedi had become arrogant and assured of their superiority, so why would they have reason to fear Anakin? I think it was purely Anakin’s insecurities and Palpatines manipulation that made it seem as though the Jedi were deliberately handicapping Anakin.
@@echo5327 they were holding him back, they didn't fear Anakin they just didn't like to shift from their dogmatic views, hence why he was never made Master even though he deserved it, they also noted how gifted he was but never really took the time to let him advance quickly
I love how in the poll everyone said Anakin but now everyone’s pretending as though they always though Luke was superior.
Anakin: "This is the end for you my son"
Luke: "I kissed your daughter"
Anakin: "YOU KISSED THE WHO NOW??"
Naturally this comment had to be here... I don't even know why I'm suprised. Take my like, you've earned it.
Lol stop it!
Anakin: *Ignites light saber*
Luke: *Ignites light banjo*
@@promiscuouscrab4040 🎵🎵SWEET HOME REBELBAMA!!!!🎵🎵
Anakin: You know what son, before I was shown my future I was considering forcibly taking custody of you and your sister so I could raise you both myself as heirs but now you two have really made me have second thoughts about being a father.
And on top of that you go on to be such an epic failure of a master that you caused my future grandson to turn into some pathetic emo parody of a sith lord who worships me like some fanboy? THIS ended up being my legacy!? Nope, fuck that. This timeline is going to be different! *CUE FORCE CHOKING*
*Anakin proceeds to stab himself* Aight imma head out
I’m pretty sure if Luke said “I have the high ground” Anakin would probably just get really sad and walk away.
You'll notice that in RotJ that Luke _had_ the high ground.
Vader's response was to eliminate it 😁
“You underestimate his power”
Told you
Anakin would never get sad and walk away! He would push the envelope because he feels invincible
@@Hominid.11 told you
The problem with this analysis is that we haven't seen how good Luke has actually gotten with his lightsaber combat by the time he appears Mando. We haven't seen him in a proper duel since ROTJ. And the fight choreography was much better in the prequels than it was in the OT as well. It might not really be as one sided toward Anakin as it seems based off of that. The lightsaber action was just not as good due largely to the technological limitations of the 70s and early 80s. Maybe Luke was better than he seemed even back then and they just didn't have the means to show us.
exactly, the fights back then weren't nearly as good due to the lack of tech. i think it would be a good idea to recast Luke so we can actually see what he's capable of instead using CGI mark hamill
I think it wasn't technology limitations.I think they adopted different approaches.OT lightsaber duels was coreographed by a professional Swordsman if I'm not wrong.While in the prequels they purposefully made the duels to be more spectacular,to show the age where Jedi wasn't rare,the more "civilised age".
@@claudius3359 nah i dont think so, the fight look shit cause it was made in the 70s and thats the best they could do
This is why the books are more canon to me than the movies. The movies are just what could be put on a screen, the books are what actually happened.
@@Kai88988 nah he’s right it was the choreography they literally had christen haydenssen and ewan mcgregory duel with poles to get this scene right and they did it over and over this type of effort is lost when it comes to the Disney dumpster fire also he isn’t powerful as anakin in my opinion because even though both were holding back Vader would have given luke a run for his money if not best him and that is a anakin that lost 40% of his original power at the end of the day anakin became more powerful than the anakin we see at mustafaar and again he lost 40% of his power so just imagine a anakin at his full potential without the suit.
This video in a nutshell:
Anakin: Hey son! Care to join me in a sparring match?
Luke: Yeah sure, father!
Anakin turns on music of a singing Yoda...
"Hope don't mind son, I like to listen to music while I work out."
"Wanna cross swords"
"Yes daddy"
Master Skywalker whatever shall we do?
@@NoahS4226 woah buddy
@@NoahS4226 no just no
Anakins wartime experience, skill with a lightsaber and raw Force ability give him the edge against Luke, in my opinion.
100% agree
Agreed
If Luke has been exploring the outer rim for 5 years, sifting through ancient ruins, inhabited by who knows what kind of creatures or beings, could that not be at least as much experience as Anakin's during the Clone Wars?
@john shaw that’s true but experience is everything and that alone has such an advantage over everything. I believe anakin is going to win cause he’s more skilled than Luke and has more experience but it would be ludicrous of me to say that Luke could never win against him.
Against Luke Legendary prime hell no Luke all the way
“You’re over confidence is your weakness.”
Truer words have never been spoken by Luke to describe this kind of fight.
This is why we need more Luke in new canon, show him building a new order and learning from the mistakes of the past, show him performing amazing feats in the force and being the Luke that he should be
WOW, you just made me like Luke even more, the explanations of him keeping his cool and describing him as a “more powerful Obi-Wan” awesome video!
Luke: it's over father, I have a high ground.
hes much different than obi, mentally similar to obi and qui-gon but luke is much stronger in the force and uses a larger array of the force.
Anakin at this point has much more battle experiance, but Luke has more control of his powers, Anakins are more like spikes...it is a very diffucilt vetdict, excellent video
This can be applied to real life. A cocky well gifted student will fail to a more experienced focused hard trained duelist
@@mikenotic8430 mmmm that’s debatable sometimes the result doesn’t always come out that way
I think AnakinVader is to experienced for him
Luke is calm and such I agree but Anakin maybe inpatient and cock etc etc call him all those things
But he isn’t stupid or blind he’ll know that Luke is no joke and will have to give it his all
@@barcabocalda2583 To be honest I think Anakin / Vader does go blind with anger which is why he faults and makes mistakes like in his duel with Obi-Wan.
Although I agree with you. In all honesty, it’s safe to say they both could definitely kill each other, it just depends how it plays out, what locations and environment as well as mindsets
@@mikenotic8430 like wear each other out .. unless they get tired and realize they are family and stop the fight
@@barcabocalda2583 they realise they are family and bro hug it out and then go for a game of catch 😂
Luke took what little Saber training he had plus his loss to Vader in ESB and developed a technique designed only to overcome Vader. Pretty sharp for a kid. He learns on the fly, that is something most people only develop over time and experience. Couple that with the styles he learned that was lost over time, and Luke never was a fraud of the dark side. I swear Luke could bathe in the dark side and still come put clean. I believe that it because Luke never denied his emotions, he accepted them and learned to use them without subcoming. Like righteous anger.
Another advantage to Luke's credit, he has experienced the DEATH of loved ones and in the lesson taught to him on Cloud City - His hubris was sated. This removed the dam blocking his full use of the Force. Thus making him the last Grandmaster.
Anakin lost loved ones too?
@@romijn1751 True! But he couldn't accept that lost. We all struggle with this I think. Compare, After the loss of Owen and Beru, Luke gains an a self-assured awarenes, a focus - If you will. And with each passing he becomes more in tuned with the force...including his Father's passing.
Owen and Berus death is synonymous with Qui gons in terms of story beats. Luke lost a version of his nephew and hid on an island for. 10 years
@@realBatman-89 That’s Jake Skywalker and is just NOT Canon.
Legends Luke makes a point that he uses the emotion of love to fuel his powers. That is a HUGE no no for the Jedi. The Jedi were far too dogmatic. Emotion doesn’t lead to the Dark Side. Love and compassion are powerful and positive emotions, so I don’t see how it’s bad to use them. Legends Luke PROVES this.
A good quote to follow this come from jolee bindi from KOTOR "passion can make someone fall, but love... Love can save you". Anakin also embodies this when he tells padme "Jedi are required to love".
@@samwilson2250 yeah but Anakins Love for Padme is the main reason for Anakins fall to the dark side, thats why the Jedi didn't allow it. So they had a point.
@@jessemoog5310 its because it was prohibited lmao. If he wasn't worrying about keeping it a secret, im sure he wouldnt turn or anything. Who knows?
@@deadlytofu6520 The main reason was because he feared to lose her and palpatine used that to lure him to the dark side. If it wasnt a secret than maybe he could have talked to somebody else other than palpatine and it may not have happened, but still mainly it was because he feared to lose her. The Jedi tried to prevent things like that by not allowing relationships.
@@jessemoog5310 True, but it was that love that was used against him, as well as his passion that made him fall. I will also argue that it was the love that Luke showed to his father that eventually brought him back to the light side.
Anakin about to abuse his son again:
"This is where the fun begins"
Abuse your son all you want doesn't change the fact that you are still not a jedi master skywalker
@@AnakinSkywalker0066 why be one when he just kills them all?
@@AnakinSkywalker0066 Hm, yeah he should be grandmaster, he killed everyone at the temple, mostly the Jedi Masters
Don't do it
@@AnakinSkywalker0066 don't listen to Darth maul
I think what the Star Wars universe desperately needs is a "What if...?" series. This will answer a lot of questions and confirm a lot of fan theories.
I think your channel has the potential to reach a lot of higher people at Lucasfilm, given your history with your Vader episodes.
so true
Yes your right
And the narrator should be Sam Jackson.
Whilst it would be nice, part of what makes the community as large as it is and as strong, is because we can have all these theories and imagined scenarios and debate who would beat who and what would happen if….. , so part of me hopes they do and don’t
They could take some of the stories from the Infinity comic series.
My problem is Luke’s only fought a couple of times while Anakin is hardened, so I say Anakin hands down.
Experience outranks everything
AGREED!
A couple battles? Luke has fought in like 5 different wars
@@graytheoutwitter4722 he didn’t say battles he said only fought a couple of times, lightsaber combat he means I guess so yeah
@@docf4100 And in those wars he was in a bunch of duels. Duels against Lumiya, Mara Jade, Shadowspawn, Palpatine, Caedus, the Lost Tribe of the Sith, mother fucking Shimrra Jamaane. Luke has the experience
Anakin: **Unpatient, Arrogant, and has overconvidence**
Luke: **KALM**
You misspelled something while having a fortnite pfp.
How "unexpected"
@@incognito2008 r/wooosh
@@MidnightNachos he was referring to "unpatient" which is supposed to be "impatient". And "has overconvidence" which is supposed to be "is overconfidence"
@@MidnightNachos r/woooosh
@@incognito2008 there’s nothing wrong with a fortnite pfp
Also You’re the one who missed the joke
How unexpected
I think Anakin's lightsaber combat capability is a little bit underestimated here. No amount of theory and reading will ever be the same as real practice. Anakin witnessed Yoda, Windu and other incredibly powerful individuals fighting with his own eyes. He also fought against Dooku, one of the best duelists in the galaxy several times throught the films and Clone Wars.
Yes, there is a lot to be said about Luke's mental superiority to Anakin. But I personally think when the combat prowess difference is that big, all others go outta window.
Technique becomes obsolete against overwhelming power, and I believe Anakin is simply far too powerful and skilled compared to Luke for his mental state to make any difference. Kind of like a calm, cool and collected 10 year old boy going up against a 25 year old man throwing a temper tantrum.
You couldn't be more wrong...the smarter, more disciplined fighter will beat the physically stronger, emotional, more aggressive fighter EVERY time, if they're anywhere close to the same level, ability-wise, as Anakin and Luke were.
Exhibit A, Obiwan defeated Anakin in his prime and prime Luke had superior skills to prime Obiwan
I think the Force trump fighting skill any day of the week. If you took the greatest non-Force using fighter in the Galaxy and pitted them against a Jedi who hasn't picked up a lightsaber in decades but meditates every day, the Jedi would always win.
Yes, Anakin was powerful with the force. But at that point he was still extremely conflicted. There was a war raging inside him. He was filled with doubt and arrogance. Luke's mind and spirit were pure. It's not that Luke would have defeated Anakin. It's that Anakin would have defeated himself.
@@mrbill1138 yea that wasn’t due to obiwan being more powerful that was anakin being arrogant which is what caused him to lose. Other wise there was no reason anakin should’ve lost
@@fattiger6957 have you heard of the mandalorians? They litteraly killed jedi without the force for years.
Don't forget what Dooku said: "This contest cannot be decided by are knowledge of the force, but by our skills with lightsaber".
Luke would have to be EXPONENTIALLY more powerful in the force just to even keep up with Anakin’s lifetime of formal training in saber combat. Luke never even held a saber until he was basically an adult.
Mmm maybe not, its worth keeping in mind Vader was his primary opponent an older more flexible, expierenced and subtle lightsaber duelist than his previous self.
Luke fought him a number of times and while there is a good argument that Vader was holding back this still would have forced Luke to very great heights indeed.
Its worth keeping in mind Anakin never really tested his true dueling skills until the clone wars when he fought Dooku and others, the rest of the time it was mostly blaster wielding foes. In a head to head duel with himself I'd argue Vader to be superior to himself when dueling Obi-Wan on Mustafar.
I suspect we'd see a scene much like Vader and Lukes first encounter with objects being lobbed at Anakin constantly to keep him off balance and prevent him from
pushing the advantage in a saber fight.
Most soldiers don't hold a weapon until they reach physical maturity, and it's kinda hard to claim that child soldiers have any real benefit over someone who joins as basically an adult for merit of their experience. Logically, it should make sense that someone trained to use a blade since childhood should be better than someone who started later in life, but realistically early weapons training more often than not just reinforces bad habits and overconfidence. Even Anakins wartime experience is probably more detrimental than it is a benefit, because Anakin at his physical prime had mostly fought far lesser opponents and cut them down without resistance, leading to a near fatal certainty in his own ability. At Luke's physical prime he had learned from the finest living defensive duelist and basically only fought the most physically powerful Sith of his time and both learned from and defeated him. Anakin isn't a pushover, but he presents a painful number of mistakes in most fights, because he's just so good that rarely matters.
@@BigHeadClan Nearly every point you made was wrong, his suit was restricting every aspect of his power by design (Palpatines design). Forcing him to be less flexible, drastically reducing his speed, he was deaf in both ears and his lenses assisted his vision due to the retina damage leaving him almost blind. All of his senses were worse than when he was Anakin, as were his reflexes and athleticism. His force sensitivity was also greatly reduced after losing all of him limbs. He made up for that with his darkside power spike but nevertheless, Anakin (prime) most definitely beats Vader (prime).
@@alexhealey3705 You're right, Vader was less strong then before... but even with that, when you look in the comics or in the future the obi wan series, Vader in a MONSTER of power ! he crush jedi likes nothing, he can fight multiple jedi and still be the winner, he is the jedi slayer of the Empire, that's not a little thing ! When Luke win againts Vader, you can argue that he didn't go to full power, that's true but when luke go berserk on him, Vader HAD to be full power to maintain, yes the element of surprise was a major factor in here, but still he is a sith, mastering the dark side and the lightsaber art, it was not "just" a mistake, luke was stronger then him when he let a little of dark side in is power.
So anakin ? He was cocksure because "i am the chosen one" in the dark side moment and so insure about imself in the light side, Luke is way more calm, more in the "gray" side of the Force, and has we saw in the end of Episode 3, the calm jedi won againts the cocksure sith.
@@alexhealey3705 No vader prime wipes anakin vader is pretty much confirmed to be more powerful
The element you didn't factor in was Luke's Hope. He would not be fighting to kill Anakin. He would be fighting to SAVE Anakin and there, he has the advantage over Obi-wan. He is Anakin's SON, somehow confronting him. He would be able touch a part of Anakin that Obi never could. Yes, they were like brothers, but Luke is a part of him, and more importantly, a part of Padme. Luke would have the appeal that Obi-wan could never muster. Obi-wan made Anakin jealous, but Luke would have made him proud. Even after decades of wallowing in the Dark Side, Luke manages to touch him, and bring him back. If he tried just after he had turned? I think he could have made him see that human immortality is thru our children, not defeating death. He would have brought him back thru his capacity for love and hope. Things that Anakin had given up on.
I think even obi wan couldve reached anakin but he just didnt try enough
One small point: in multiple interviews, George himself said that Luke's potential is the same as his father's. Meaning that in G-canon, Anakin's Force potential is not "farther than Luke's;" Luke's Force potential is equal to Anakin's. George also said in a Rolling Stone interview that Anakin never reached his true Force potential, but Luke could. Apparently, it is also stated in the director's commentary for Empire that Luke is more powerful in the Force than Anakin, but I can't be arsed to watch through it rn to find the exact quote just for a TH-cam comment :p
That doesn’t make sense. Anakin has the most medichlorians. There’s no way Luke would have the same amount considering Padme wasn’t force sensitive
@@jj2059 Anakin may have been made by the force but his mother wasn’t force sensitive either, potential isn’t diluted between blood either.
@@jj2059 Well if you actually used your brain for once instead of just pulling head cannon out of your ass than it make sense to you, that is not how genetics work, you do not always inherent half of a trait off of a parent. Secondly if George Lucas himself the creator of star wars states that which he did, you cannot just disagree with that and write it off as conjecture, purely because it doesn't fit your arbitrary way of thinking
@White knight Where are you getting the mediclorian numbers?
@White knight That doesn't seem accurate all the time because revan and bastila were the most powerfulist Jedi of their era and they gave birth to a non-force sensitive kid so it seems more often it's completely random the potential your offspring can have In regards to your own potential
When Anakin fought Obi wan he had legitimate hatred and resentment towards Obi wan, assuming they are dropped in a neutral place from their respective points in time. Would Anakin get angry enough at Luke to make him blinded by rage?
no, he wouldn't, which is why people who are saying that luke wins by using the high ground is absolute bs
Maybe if Luke went full on really fucked up dark side yea
thats what I am saying unless Luke gets him angry there is no way anakin gets blinded by rage. Thats why I can't see Luke winning against a level headed Anakin unless tapping into the darkside
Uh no,Anakin didn't really hate Obi Wan that much in ep 3. Yes,he was upset cause he thought that Padme brought Obi Wan to kill him,but Anakin's anger is not as big as you might think and he even gave a warning to Obi Wan before the fight by saying "If you're not with me,then you're my enemy". Plus,Anakin has fallen to the dark side now which literally focuses on anger and hatred,he even had the yellow Sith eye when he slaughtered the CIS
@@fred9515 Even in that rage, when he slaughtered the heads of the CIS he was in MUCH more control, and like you said he had the sith eyes at the time. With Obi-Wan, it might not be all hate, but pain through immense love and trying to cut that bond. Dark side draws on a lot of negative feelings/emotions - like pain, heartbreak and anguish too. And most of the fight he didn't have the sith eyes showing.
I really think that yes the arrogance and anger was on full display when Anakin was taken down, and that it existed withiin him....but it was the bond with Obi-Wan that really drew it out and blinded Anakin. At least, narratively that's my understanding from a story that ends their battle not just with the arrogant anti-Maul move, but with the tragic end of brotherhood between Obi-Wan saying he loved Anakin, and Anakin saying he hates Obi-Wan.
In my head, Anakin did reach his prime during 3. At least physically. The way I see it, he pulled off this crazy mission to save the chancellor from the enemy flagship, defeated Count Dooku, one of the greatest duelists in the galaxy, and p saved both Obi-Wan and Palpatine. If it wasn't for Anakins emotions, he probably WOULD have won against Obi-Wan on Mustafar.
thank you for understanding how good of a duelist anakin actually was in rots
Can’t forget that Obi - Won had to use a sith move on Anakin.
Anakin never had obiwan in trouble at all in their duel though. Obiwan beats both in their prime
Yeah he definitely had obi wan beat until obi wan ran to the high ground @@garrettstaack5650
That's why he wasn't the most powerful. He had the talent but his lack of control never would have allowed him to be on the level of prime Luke or Yoda.
Anakin: yells until he reaches maximum power.
Luke: *KAIO-KEN!!*
Anakin: "Kaio-what!?"
Punch to the gut doubles him over.
Tfs references are the best
Luke: Let me show you the KAIO-KEN!!!
YAS
This explains how Vader can just "pop" up
I love how the part where he talks about force crush being questionsble, he show a picture of Mace Windu, who used force crush on Greivous in the classic Clone Wars series
Luke , he's more precise more calm and collected whereas Anakin was reckless
I think you hit the nail on the head at the end saying Luke was a more powerful version of Obi-Wan. I'm sure after Ep6 he went to the Jedi Temple and just learned everything he could, but always considered Obi-Wan as the blueprint of what a Jedi is and so everything he learned was added as "would Obi-Wan do this and how"
So Obi-Wan really is the Star Wars equivalent to Jesus. "What would Obi-Wan do?"
Luke is a more aggressive fighter than Obi Wan. That might be his downfall against Anakin.
I always felt like Obi-wan got too much shit for “allowing” anakin to turn to the dark side. The only thing that Obiwan ever did that negatively affected anakin in that way was the whole Rako Hardeen thing. I blame anakins fall 50 percent on Palpatine 25 percent on the council 25 percent on himself.
So yeah Obiwan is the Jedi template
If Anakin had reached his potential, Anakin by literally miles.
Lucas confirmed himself that Luke is the embodiment of Anikin’s full potential… so yeah; there’s that.
@@theblackprotagonist5936 yeah, but anakin would still be more if he reached his potential.. after all he does have the most mitichlorians of any soul in star wars which would come into play at that point
@@MichaelDouglas-24 The reason he said this was to put to bed any idea that Anakin would easily beat Luke.
He literally said this to explain that Luke beats Anakin only because he is what Anakin had the potential to become
The Black Protagonist lucas isn’t canon anymore so he’s quotes don’t matter
@@lucass8317 By the parameters of this video he is.
I think I have to give to to Anakin, his experiences in the clone wars as a general fighting in massive battlefields or discrete missions or dueling Dooku/Ventress/Savage gives him an edge imo
Na, Luke was just too damn good. Humble and just as talented .
I think this kind of ignores the fact that Anakin would be overly emotional vs Luke and therefore vulnerable.
Luke fought in the Galactic Civil War which lasted longer than the Clone Wars.
@@brendansmithcomedy it did but I feel like anakin had harder opponents like the Droids was way harder then the storm troppers
@@brendansmithcomedy so lol anakan was fighting all kinds of sith
Either way, you are right on this one. “Prime” Anakin was SAVAGE. He was a battle-hardened veteran of the Clone Wars. The Force notwithstanding, Luke was never depicted as being a superior duelist. His training was marginal. We still don’t know how or where ‘Mando-era” Luke upped his game. But either Anakin or Vader, in their “Prime”, would beat Luke with a combination of saber work and dark side powers.
Vader when fighting Luke *was* in his prime, and Luke still won. And people say “oh Vader was conflicted and wasn’t trying”, which isn’t true since the ROTJ novelization says that Vader got angry and wanted Luke to know this fight wasn’t a joke, it was darkness, which implies that he starts trying against Luke. So Luke did beat Vader which obviously means that he can beat Anakin.
@@CallofDutyBlackOps2010 That novelization was written in the early 1980’s. Luke was still conceptualized as the “hero”’ of Star Wars. Anakin was just a ghost that appeared at the end of the movie absent his “Vader” armor. Knowing what the Prequels taught us about the Jedi, Sith and The Force, there is no way a half-trained Jedi could beat a Dark Lord of the Sith. Unless said Sith Lord deliberately “threw the fight”. Luke winning was OK in 1983. The Emperor was a surprise at the end of ROTJ - we had no idea he was the REAL bad guy in Star Wars, or a Sith Master. We didn’t even know what a Sith was in 1983 - it was never mentioned on-screen. Anakin/Vader was unquestionably the superior Force user and combatant, when viewed back from 2021. We knew nothing about him in 1983.
@@AgentM79 that’s a good point you make, but considering that those books are still canon, they continue to apply to the series even with the expanded information about the characters
He had Obi Wans journals which detailed lightsaber forms, as well as the tutelage of Yoda who was a master of all forms. It’s safe to say the fact that it didn’t show was due to constraints, like how Obi Wan and Vader’s duel in New Hope doesn’t match up to what they could choreograph in the prequels.
@@brendansmithcomedy Luke was a farmer on a desert planet with zero training. You say that he was able to learn Anakin-level lightsaber skills from a book? That’s no better than Ma-Rey-Sue in the Sequels, and her defeat of Kylo Ren. That would be like reading a book on Karate, and then going to an MMA championship and winning against athletes who have trained since childhood.
Look; I totally get the direction where things are headed. Star Wars needs Luke back to placate the fan base. And I’m all for it. But they need to develop his story a bit more. Otherwise, folks like me will remain on Team Anakin. No one has swayed me from believing that Vader deliberately threw the fight in ROTJ. At best, he held back, and this led to Luke eventually getting the upper hand. Back in’ 83, I saw Luke as a hero, sure, but “lucky” as opposed to “good”. I thought Vader was defeated by “plot armor”, and Luke would have died had Vader not intervened. They can ret-con that any way they want. But In ROTJ, Vader wasn’t HALF as aggressive as he was in ESB. He didn’t even use his Force powers in the fight with Luke. The “powers that be” need to have Luke get trained by Ahsoka PRIOR to ROTJ.
I have a feeling that they may eventually re-make the Star Wars OT. There is SO MUCH they can do to retcon a consistent canonical narrative. They absolutely need to do SOMETHING, because the franchise in cinematically DEAD now.
I know this is an old video but for the ones watching it right know, Anakin´s force power was evenly matched with Obi Wan`s because he was still conflicted about turning into the dark side, Imagine choking the love of your life, massacring your comrades at the Jedi temple and fighting your brother/mentor, he obviously was conflicted at the time
You are certainly correct.
This is headcanon in terms of the primary canon at least. I like the explanation but sad fact is that they just didn’t do a good job at explaining why Obi-Wan didn’t lose way before Anakin was put into a position where his arrogant would be his demise. From how it’s shown in the film and novel he just lost bc he had to lol
@@KurokamiNajimi they DID do a good job explaining it. It wasn’t that he lost because he had to dude.
@@firestriker3580 Where
I'd like to think of it this way:
Anakin was the Chosen One, so he would've been the most powerful Jedi in the history of Jedi. Like, moving-planets-with-the-force strong. But due to his injuries and fall to the dark side, his power drained significantly. I'd say Darth Vader carries around 40% of Anakin's full potential.
Luke, on the other hand, was Anakin's offspring (making him insanely powerful), but he was NOT the Chosen One. But, do to his rigorous training and connection to the Force, I'd say he attained around 70% of Anakin's true potential (making him more powerful than Darth Vader).
That being said, I'd reckon that Anakin at his prime (100% of his true potential) would have the edge over Luke.
I have to agree. It’s a hard debate, but Like benefits from being Anakin’s son and inheriting so much of his strength, yet more calm and in line with Kenobi.
I still don’t think inherited strength beats years of actual experience and training
There’s no way Luke has the defensive capability of a form three master of 13 years and knowing Anakin inside and out as fully as Obi Wan did. I strongly disagree with that statement made in this video. It took everything he had to defend himself so how could Luke do that with no trouble and wait patiently for an opening as well? He would have to win by force ability unquestionably but he’d have to realize that before getting slaughtered by Anakin’s blade.
The age difference is key, location is key, I was always sort of meh on Luke until mando and this boosted even more. I’d love to see full potential ani vs legends luke. I feel as though that battle would yield a different result but deal much more in speculation because sadly we never saw FP ani. Excited to see your take as always.
Full potential ani would be unstoppable
Full potential Anakin would have been the most powerful Jedi ever. He would beat legends Luke. Full potential Anakin is a scary and dangerous Anakin.
In the disney canon vader has reached his full potential and never lost I only musafar which is why since he had troubles with luke i doubt the version of him that lost to obi wan Kenobi would be capable of defeating like at his prime
Why were you “meh” about Luke before Mando? He has always been super powerful and experienced. It was shown in comics, books, games, sequels etc.
@@thephoenix4093 "Vader" reached his full potential. But "Anakin" did not. Something about all of his limbs being chopped off and is unable to use force lightning without harming himself among other things.
Except if amped.
I think we’re looking at it in the wrong way, boys.
We can’t say “if Luke used the dark side” or “Anakin doesn’t have the composure that Luke does” as both of these concepts go against everything that makes these characters strong. Luke is strong because he *DOESN’T* use the dark side. The dark side by nature utilizes emotion, this is the antithesis of Luke’s calm and collected demeanor that makes him stronger.
Anakin doesn’t *need* composure because his most dominating displays of power have all been when he uses the dark side during moments of intense emotion. Taking these things away completely nullifies everything that makes them strong in the first place.
Now, I agree with your stances on who wins what. Anakin wins combat hands down and Luke wins force hands down. Where it gets iffy is the actual fight itself. It all comes down to circumstance. Even in the OT, the only time Luke beats Vader is when Vader was handicapping himself ( after *already being handicapped in ROTS* ) and *even then* he needed to tap into the dark side. This goes to show how strong Ani was in his prime. If we look at the Clone Wars, Ani isn’t really ever seen as this “master strategist”, but look at how often he comes up with these crazy plans and strategies that somehow work every time. Luke helped in wars, sure. But Anakin served on the front lines of one of the biggest wars the galaxy has ever seen and did more than probably any other Jedi in the order during that era.
I think Ani would have the edge in most circumstances. If Luke could hold him off and keep his cool long enough to read Ani and come up with a plan, he could definitely win. It’s how Obi-Wan won (how he Obi-WON lol). But I’d say Ani takes the W 7-8/10 times. He’s more experienced, stronger, more agile, a highly emotional dark side user, and pretty damn good at unorthodox strategy; just an all around more capable combatant.
If Luke loses his composure and taps into the dark side, he loses. If Luke allows Anakin to push too hard or start to steamroll, he loses. Luke needs to find the perfect balance between defense and offense. Push him hard enough where he doesn’t have the time to think or plan, push him towards his emotions so he literally *can’t* think, but Luke also needs to be capable of defending against Ani’s stronger attacks until he can come up with a plan of his own.
Edit: I’ve been thinking more and more on this fight, so I decided I’d like to add a few more things:
Ani and Obi were both masters of their respective styles: Obi, defense, and Ani, offense. This made for an interesting dynamic for their fight. If the offensive fighter is more skilled, they will break through the defensive fighter’s defenses. If the defensive fighter is more skilled, they will be able to hold off the offensive fighter until he makes an error. We see this exact situation play out. Obi-Wan was playing with fire by fighting Anakin. By waiting him out and letting the fight drag longer, he increased the odds of Anakin making a mistake...but also increased his strength, making the odds of Ani breaking through his defense skyrocket. But Obi-Wan maintained composure as he was the best defensive combatant the galaxy had ever seen. It also helps that Obi never wavers. He refuses to give into his emotions and that makes him stronger and more strategic.
Luke, as discussed in the video, is a hodgepodge of fighting styles. Sure, he mainly uses form 5 like Ani, but he’s not a master of it, more of a jack of all trades and that’s the one he mainly specializes in. Anakin masters it. This means Ani will have an infinitely stronger offense than Luke. And Luke only dabbling in other forms, won’t have the defensive expertise that Obi-Wan did. This makes him stalling out Ani a MUCH more suicidal option than it was for Obi. Not to mention, Luke’s greatest weapon is his calm...but Luke is also more prone to giving into his emotions than Obi.
I think there’s A LOT of factors we need to take into consideration here.
You said it all my guy
Yup I couldn’t agree more…
Anakin stomps Luke in a 1v1
I didnt feel like grading essays so I didn't read that lol
If both were to be looked at I say it’s 50/50 it honestly just depends
That was an amazingly fair and balanced assessment. Looking forward to part 2 😁👍
You keep harping back to his loss to Obi Wan as a weakness, but it is Canonically stated that Anakin was not as powerful as he should be during that fight due to his conflicted mindset . He could not tap into the darkside against Obi Wan as well because he did not actually hate Obi Wan, he still deep down cared for him until Obi Wan cut him down. In this scenario you are presenting there would be no personal connection between Luke and Anakin. Anakin's greatest weakness is when something gets personal in his mind.. Dooku in Episode 2 and Obi Wan in Episode 3 being those examples. Anakin fought Obi wan without Sith eyes.. I have no doubt he would get the Sith Eyes and thus channel more ferocious darkside power against a Luke he has zero connection to.
Yea I agree with you
It's not stated in canon that Anakin was weaker during Mustafar. Official lore says his powers increased after he swore allegiance to the Sith, but he remained equally matched with Obi-Wan, and the reference books state both sides were trying to kill the other. You're also dead wrong about him not hating Obi-Wan. The canon Family at War novel states outright he viewed Obi-Wan as the symbol of everything that was wrong and corrupt about the Jedi and the Republic, and he directed all of his anger and hate towards trying to destroy him. Anakin lost that fight fair and square due to his own rage and inexperience.
@@thewarner2139 yup
Luke would still win
preach brother
I swear I remember George saying that Luke reached his full potential whereas Anakin did not, for me Luke wins because I think that’s what George would have intended. Luke was the redeemer, the one who succeeded where his father failed, so it is only natural the son would surpass his father, especially considering Anakin’s many character flaws.
That's future Luke. Not Mandalorian or OT Luke.
@@kevinthunder3375 true, but Luke in Mandalorian is wiser and best ROTS Anakin.
It's also a lot of people don't remember this but George Lucas literally said that he and his father were equals in potential Luke just managed to achieve it
Here's a fanfic idea this reminds me of: I always liked the idea of Anakin and Vader actually doing a duel within Anakin's heart during Revenge of the Sith. The idea of Anakin suffering from MPD and Vader being a front that consumed him from his traumas and darker emotions has always appealed to me, so the idea that Anakin actually duels Vader and loses to him for dominance in his mind struck me as an interesting thought. I can see the same happening in Return of the Jedi as Anakin regains control and finally destroys Vader. I imagine it would be a lot like the Rey visions scene in The Force Awakens; Anakin and Vader dueling across Anakin's memories, and then in Return of the Jedi, across Vader's memories. It's a fanfic I'd love to write some time, or even direct to life with CGI.
I a StarLog magazine Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker were originally two separate beings that plot would be interesting has taken return of the Jedi and Luke losing to Vader the plot twist Obi Wan statement Darth Vader betrayed and murdered your father in that twist of advents Anakin faked his death and he went into hiding in empire strikes back and Obi Wan says that boy is our last hope And Yoda says there is another Skywalker as of Anakin is alive a elder Anakin Skywalker a fully trained Jedi who would take on Vader and the Emperor
Anakin, force wise, was terrifying. He could literally force choke people by thinking about them.
Luke crushed a dark trooper with ease
I'd like to think of it this way:
Anakin was the Chosen One, so he would've been the most powerful Jedi in the history of Jedi. Like, moving-planets-with-the-force strong. But due to his injuries and fall to the dark side, his power drained significantly. I'd say Darth Vader carries around 40% of Anakin's full potential.
Luke, on the other hand, was Anakin's offspring (making him insanely powerful), but he was NOT the Chosen One. But, do to his rigorous training and connection to the Force, I'd say he attained around 70% of Anakin's true potential (making him more powerful than Darth Vader).
That being said, I'd reckon that Anakin at his prime (100% of his true potential) would have the edge over Luke.
@@Ajedman1027 to that point, he was in the same room. Anakin/Vader could crush your windpipe without you being in the room.
@@LvngBrd also, the current canon Vader is so much weaker than what is now considered legends. Legends Vader was more of 50-60% of Anakin’s true power, bolstered to about 85% when he’s angry.
@@testingmyaudioaddiction3452 doesn’t matter because legends Luke slams too
Anakin would win, thats my prediction before watching.
Damn
same
You're right
True Anakin Skywalker winner 🏆! He's an Elite! Luke Skywalker is Lower class trash!
@@danielcooke3732 Haha he is not bad, but he won't be as good as Anakin!
Excellent in-depth analysis! Even factoring in their heights and how much of their hand/arm was cybernetic! I agree with the overall conclusion: Anakin is basically this raging storm in the Force, and it would be up to Luke to remain centered in the eye of that storm.
Yeah. Im obviously an anakin fan, but the arrogance factor is what plays in. Also, Luke was basically trained by by man who was able to best Anakin. Unfortunately, Luke wins this one (Love both of them tho)
I feel like there is a huge difference between "using the force for good" and "using the good side of the force". This is actually a really keen point and interesting topic. Would love to see an analysis on this.
I fully believe that in that scene in Mando Luke's heart rate never elevated. That is how calm I believe he was. I don't even recall him being out of breath when they opened the doors and walked in.
That's a really good point! Luke moved pretty lazily while he choked out the TWO pig guards in ROTJ, whereas Anakin would have to focus and almost over-gesture to choke a single person.
So I have always interpreted The Chosen One to be Luke. I have always figured that Luke was the one that brought balance to the force. I know Anakin "killed" Darth Sidious, but I have always believed that was only because of Luke. What are your thoughts on this? I'd like to hear what others think.
I mean a lot of people definitely think/used to think Luke was the Chosen One but it's literally canonical fact that Anakin is the Chosen One. It's not even a matter of interpretation. Luke was instrumental in helping Anakin fulfill his destiny but Luke's role is simply to restore balance within Anakin so that Anakin could then restore balance to the Force by killing Sidious.
@@darthhollister01 Respectfully, I disagree. There is the scene with Obi-Wan and Darth Maul on Tatooine in Rebels where Maul asks if the person Obi-Wan is protecting is the chosen one. Obi-Wan says he is, referring to Luke.
@@NoMonies1987 it's not a matter of disagreement. Obi-Wan was just plain wrong. He said that because he thought that when Anakin fell to the Dark Side, it meant that Anakin wasn't the Chosen One anymore. In the OT Yoda and Obi-Wan were training Luke to KILL Vader, not to save Anakin. They both thought that Luke had to be the new Chosen One and destroy the Sith. They were wrong. George Lucas has literally stated multiple times that Anakin is the Chosen One, not Luke. And it doesn't even matter who is "supposed" to be the Chosen One cause when it comes down to it, if Anakin hadn't chosen to directly intervene and to kill Sidious, Luke would have died and balance would never have been restored. Anakin's choice was the direct cause of Balance being restored and the Sith being destroyed.
@@NoMonies1987 That’s what Obi-Wan thought, but wasn’t true.
10 years of being actually in combat duels means a whole lot more than you give credit
Before watching i will say this, no suit vader wouldve thrown em around like a toy in my opinion but in this scenario, i think Luke takes the edge considering how underutilized anakins powers were.
Edit: coming from a vader fanboy and a fan of anakin.
as a fellow vader simp, i agree
canon luke is fodder lmao
you do realize episode 6 luke is equal to episode 6 vader which is him in his prime. Sorry, mando luke absolutely shreads vader, eats that bitch alive. Go watch the ROTJ fight scene where luke shreds vader in the end of it.
Source: George lucas
@@barkley8285 I'm not going to lie vader did loose but it's only cause he was conflicted and he wasn't trying to kill him also he was trying to bring the dark side of luke out
@@barkley8285 1 how about you re-read my comment, i said NO SUIT Vader. (Meaning he doesn't lose on mustafar) plus Vader with his suit lost a big chunk of his potential so he was never able to recover after that loss, thus not being in his prime. No suit Vader would've thrown around Luke like it was nothing and thats just a fact. Plus if you wanna talk about what actually happened Vader wasn't going all out or he would've had the upper hand due to experience, him using dark side powers, and his physical stature.
Anakin is also my favorite character, and I would always say that he would beat Luke. His battle experience is such a huge advantage. Anakin just isn't physically skilled but he is also a tactician. But when you mentioned Luke was trained by the force ghosts. I started thinking which ghosts, and of course it would be Yoda and Obi-Wan but also Anakin himself. Anakin would make sure Luke was superior than he ever was. This, along with Luke having Padame's cooler temperament, leads me to believe that Luke would defeat Anakin.
Full potential wise Anakin would win there is probably alot more force powers we have missed out on after Anakin threw away his full potential he could of created different powers using the force we will sadly never know.
Experience as a general in clone wars, And Luke is just to slow, Luke is wise and smart but falls short on strength,speed,aggression, Raw power with the force, and endurance.
@@scrixz926 luke is the embodiment of anakin in his prime. Plus luke is smarter and far less arrogant.
@@Anakin-Skywalker. I don’t see how you came to the conclusion that Luke is slow and lacks all those other things you mentioned. His trilogy was made in the 70s, when the technology wasn’t as great, and the directors decided to take a completely different approach to the choreography when they made the prequels. Even then, we saw how he could be aggressive and display great strength when he straight up overpowered Vader in ROTJ (Vader was definitely holding back some, but that’s still an incredibly hard thing to pull off regardless considering how Vader’s suit granted him physical strength that was borderline superhuman). Luke could actually be much better than he appeared to be in the movies, especially since we haven’t seen that much of him in his prime after ROTJ
Obsolete Luke surpassed Vader. As of RtoTJ. Canon confirms.
Two counter arguments about anakins size and experience from war: 1. "Size matters not" and 2. "Wars make not one great"
I think since Luke was trained by Obi-wan himself, he would have been taught a few tricks.
Obi-wan probably showed the move that defeated Maul to Luke.
Also Kenobi would have also taught Luke about the high ground.
Basically everything that led to Anakins demise would have been passed down to Luke.
I totally think Mando Luke can take revenge of the sith Anakin.
Luke was also trained by Yoda himself !! lol
@@jasonareman a 969 year old yoda
Obi wan never got to train luke unless u mean on the millenium falcon...and at that point luke thought vader killed anikan. Yoda trained luke, briefly. Luke is basically self taught.
Im not necessarily disagreeing but saying mando luke can beat rots anakin is a VERY hot take
@@Shin_Akumi i believe it’s known that there was a couple month time skip from when Luke met Obi-wan to when they met Han at Mos Eisley’s. There’s an unspoken/unfilmed training with Obi-wan and Luke
My money is on Luke. Even though Anakin might have had more training, he never had the maturity or calm that Jedi Luke had. That's my personal opinion.
Anakin’s most powerful moments came from the dark side. Being emotionally mature or calm is the antithesis of everything that makes Ani 10x stronger.
@@JayArr96 exactly! Like palpating told anakin “I can feel you’re anger, it gives you focus.. makes you stronger” that doesn’t mean anakin isn’t going to lose if he isn’t calm headed cause all of his powerful moments came from the dark side and everyone acts like if you use the dark side you will lose which is bullshit.
@@jaxsontuttle4932 no but it leads you to slipping because of basic combat theory yes anger can give you power but it’s in exchange for decision making and impromptu maneuvering. It lost him his fight with Obi-Wan, he straight up thought the power difference made him invincible. Which in real life analogy, is very realistic when you’re angry your decision making is flawed. Rage is different, which is what he learned in his Darth Vader arc. He went from being an angry sad fighter to a rage machine, which enhances him to his limit, while still being an analytic powerhouse.
@@dontbemad.5435 agreed. His ego was his downfall and led him to lose against obi wan. If anakin was more patient and not on edge to defeat everybody he would conquer Luke or anybody.
@@dontbemad.5435 you can’t say that his anger is what made him lose because anakin became his most powerful self when he was angry that’s what gives him his strength, speed, and focus comes in because he’s angry. It’s like saying if the hulk was more calm minded he would beat thanos or his other villains.
I think Anakin’s actual experience fighting so many different force users over the years gives him an invaluable advantage.
it is debateble but prime luke no-low diffs tho
Nope. He is an Emo and emo's lose their bearings and make more mistakes.
@@lucas-ee2rvluke with fan force can
@@outverse_edits wanna debate it
Crushing the Dark Troopers would like 1 step below crushing beskar, that's how tough those guys are, and Luke squished them like bugs.
I like how you timed saying Luke "expanded his horizons" just when the image onscreen was of him eating Yoda's terrible cooking.
14:27 you said that he’s much more powerful potential wise which is actually incorrect considering what George Lucas said himself about Luke having equal potential to Anakin.
And also, Lucas said that Luke and Leia would complete the Chosen One prophecy that Anakin started and both of their max potentials is as big as Anakin's. Wish we got Lucas's sequels...
Edit: Correction of wrong points. Nothing much
At the same time that statement may not hold true anymore. Mortis Anakin and Force Nexus Vader showed way higher power levels than anything Luke has shown in 6 movies and the Mandalorian
@@lord2.0works No, George said the Leia would be the Chosen One --politically. That she'd bring POLTICAL balance to the galaxy. While Luke re-made the Jedi Order, avoiding the pitfalls of the old Jedi order.
@@lord2.0works no he didn’t lmaoo
“At the center of the movie is a lot of exposition, it's a lot of explaining what has happened, and why things are the way they are. In this particular case, there is a whole issue of Luke's sister, and you know, the fact that they were twins. Which is an element that has to be revealed, which comes in later, in terms of who is the 'other' that was talked about in Empire Strikes Back. And how could that person become as powerful as Luke? Well obviously if they were twins, then if she were trained, then, she has the same abilities as Luke has. That becomes an important issue, especially in terms of resolving all the love triangles."
--George Lucas, ROTJ DVD Commentary.
@@auntmaysumbrella to be fair both Anakin and Vader have had a lot more training than Luke easily and Luke beat a Vader so was holding back, but still beat him so Luke has shown a lot of potential just being able to match Vader alone. Why would Yoda and Obi wan rely on Luke alone to stop both Vader and the emperor.
I just realized that palpatine tried doing the same thing with Luke that he did to Dooku and Anakin. Killing Dooku was the last thing Anakin did before become Darth Vader. He wanted to do the same with Luke by making him kill his father. He also had Vader like Dooku not actually fighting Luke or Anakin so that they would die making it the first step towards the Darkside. Anakin had a lot of steps but this truly was the first step seeing if he would just kill someone unarmed.
I’m pretty sure Anakin’s huge assist in The Windu Slaying was the last thing he did before becoming Lord Vader
From my point of view Anakin would end his son's hallway droid killing career. Too talented and too powerful. Don't under estimate his powers .Good analysis tho.
Everyone in the poll said Anakin would win, but now they’re all pretending as though they never said that.
@@TheAlphatitan no i still think anakin would win
Nah, I know your an Anakin Stan, but that simply is not the case. Luke has more experience in the force and reached to his potential further, more level headed and focused. Luke would win.
@@mikenotic8430 I don't reallu get the "more experienced in the force " thing. Palpatine was way more experienced than Windu and he lost to him in a lightsaber duel. Dooku was way more experienced than Anakin and he lost too.
Anakin may be cocky but it is clear that Luke don't react well to emotions if you consider ROTJ and TLJ.
A big thing I think he missed in this video was that Obi Wan was a master of form three and knew Anakin like a book he had personally written. Mace referred to him as, “the” master of form three. Luke is definitely not that and Obi Wan admits that it took everything he had to defend against Anakin’s onslaught so I don’t believe Luke would be able to defend against Anakin for an extended period of time as Obi Wan did at all. If it was such a challenge for Obi Wan after having 13 years to master form three I don’t see Luke coming anywhere near that level of defensive skill. Luke has to win by force ability otherwise he’d be in pieces pretty quickly. The question is if he could realize that in time.
Theory: Luke would win a fight against Anakin
Anakin: What?! This is outrageous, it's unfair!
But, he's your son.
I personally think Luke from season 2 is stronger in the force at this point while Anakin is better at lightsaber fighting but I think the gap is closer in lightsaber fighting so I personally say luke wins this.
It’s a 50/50 between the two. Me personally I’d say anakin wins more because he’s the chosen one and he’s just way more skilled and more powerful with the force. But luke would be the only person who could defeat anakin more than any other Jedi’s
Me personally I’d say Anakin wins because he’s the chosen one and he’s just way more skilled and more powerful with the force.
@@xhole7 George Lucas stated that Luke has as much potential with the force as Anakin and at this point I would say Luke’s better with the force
@@GamingLegend-ni5qb No.
@@jaxsontuttle4932 anakin was immensily strong but he was more focused on his lightsaber dueling than his force powers hence the stalemate with obi wan. If he fully utilised his raw force power he would easily defeated anyone. luke was more attuned with the force as he practiced more and without limitiations of the jedi order. Anakin is a better duelist and by far the stronger person but luke was the faster more agile fighter plus as star wars theory said more calm so my verdict is luke wins.
Anakin: *I HATE YOU!!*
Luke: *POCKET SAND!*
I think Luke wins also. I mean he does have the same force potential and raw power that Anakin(George Lucas' words not mine) and I think that Luke was trained more as a weapon against Vader and papa palps than any Jedi before so maybe his training on a whole was unorthodox and therefore he is an unknown factor in how he would confront Anakin. Just my opinion.
Great question. For me it depends on at what point in their respective developments this theoretical fight takes place. Anakin had a superior head start with better training in skill and technique. Luke had a superior head start in mental growth and maturity. It's been said that Anakin's offspring would have had the same force potential as him (as well as any subsequent generations). To that end I feel like Luke at the end of the OT would in the next few years eventually be as strong as Anakin at his height in the middle of RotS. Once Luke gained the experience and refined his skills he would have exceeded that level because he would not have fallen (to the dark side nor to his own arrogance) as Anakin did, and Luke would have grown into master-hood to become the great Jedi his father should have been.
Luke as Jedi Master is one reason why I love the "legends" version of him. Also, I find it exceedingly poetic for the son of the Jedi who destroyed the Order to be the one to re-found the Order and begin building it back up, albeit a reformed version of the Jedi Order.
I loved your whole explanation, great video! I also think that Anakin wouldn’t have the same type of emotions fighting Luke vs how he did with Obi wan. Hopefully in the Kenobi series we will see a dark side anakin with just pure drive and I think that version of Anakin would beat Luke in a fight. Anakin’s power at the end of the clone wars + his creativity in battle puts him on top in my opinion. ugh tough analysis 😂😂
I love that you really attempted to give this as fair a look as possible. I think your analysis was great tbh. It'll be interesting to have you revisit this topic in the future as more information potentially comes out.
I think it would just be that Luke would play a “back to the future” role and convert Anakin before he fully goes into the dark side. He’d be like, “Anakin, I am your son”.
That would be great !! 😂
Love this video! One thing to consider- Luke is a carbon copy of Anakin in his force potential, according to George Lucas himself. I would say Luke is not nearly as behind in his power potential compared to Anakin at this point. It is possible that Luke benefits from the potential of the Chosen One status as much as Anakin does.
It's a tough call..Anakin has more experience being taught by a generation steeped in Jedi knowledge. But Anakin had issues, and was the product of a broken system that was about to fall apart due to its inherent flaws. Those flaws within Anakin allowed a less powerful Jedi defeat Anakin in mortal combat. Even before Anakin turned to the darkside fully, in his earlier years he showed his willingness to deceive the Jedi and marring Padme against the rules required of a Jedi. He murdered an entire village in his rage at his mother's death after her capture and torture. He ignored his mother's fate and status for 10 years before making an effort, but it was too late.. Anakin had problems and the Jedi had problems. The system was broken, Anakins fall to the darkside and fall of the Jedi were symptoms of a greater problem. Disinterest and dismissal to listen to and heed the Will of the Force. Qui Gon Jinn, was the last true Jedi, in a broken system with broken teachings.
Luke Skywalkers greatest gift was his struggle with the teaching of Yoda on Dagobah. He failed over and over because he trusted his own judgment. Listening to Yoda is not the same thing as listening to the Force. Luke learned more from his failures than most would have learned from obedience to Yodas teachings. Half trained Luke choose to ignore the council of Kenobi and Yoda, to act on the visions he received in the Force. When Luke refused to stay he was told he would face Vader alone without their support. Vader was in complete control and dominated Luke, and while weakened and defenceless Vader revealed Obiwons lies and manipulation with Vaders connection to Luke.
Luke chose to fall to his death rather than give in to Vader, which surprised Vader, then Luke survived, which surprised Luke and with his friends help he escaped. Luke continued to train on his own for a year while planning with friends to find and liberate Han Solo. In that time Luke grew in power, knowledge, and wisdom that his second fight Vader was very different than the first. Vader beaten and helpless, Luke chooses a second time to deny giving himself to the darkside and become the Emperor pupil.
Anakin allowed his desires and lusts to twist him into something other than what he was meant to be. Luke was his own man, he loved his friends and made them family as he had none. He choose to listen to the will of the Force. He choose Love or Hate, or Fear...Just as Vader was saved by choosing Love over Hatred or Fear.
So you tell me, who do you think is the stronger?
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In my opinion Anakin wins Mid-High Diff. No offense to Luke but he has way less training than Anakin. Anakin also almost broke Obi wan’s arms in their battle on mustifar. He also was described as a blue blur when fighting. Luke is more durable because he tanked Palpatine’s lighting but I just don’t see Luke taking the win here. I’m talking about Anakin at the start of ROTS because I think he was in his prime because he wasn’t as cocky when compared to Knightfall Vader.
Anakin’s stamina in the movies and shows:amazing
Anakin’s stamina in bf2:oh I’m so old I’m so old!!
Sad truth, it is. Apparently the Massive Strikes Star Card is bugged, making the card affect blocking stamina when it should only affect the swing stamina. This is why I like to run Steamroll. Get that maxed out, you get 10 more blocks and 10 more swings
I would still go Anakin, for the simple fact that one line you said calls into question every point you gave to Luke in regards to how he'd already fought and beat Vader. The fact that you said Vader was toying with him, wasn't fighting him seriously as he was trying to turn him, and that gave Luke the chance he needed to win, kind of hurts those arguments. We don't know how Luke would have fared if Vader had been legitimately trying to kill him like Anakin would have been in that versus.
Agreed. Vader wasn’t giving Luke the sauce. Ever. Wanted to turn and didn’t want to kill his son.
Also, imagine the conflict in Anakin's mind when fighting his son who is more powerful than him in the force. He thinks he's the most powerful being in the galaxy only to meet his equal of the same blood. Even normally in life sons surpassing their dads causes conflicting feelings of pride and shame. Anakin didn't raise Luke, so there would be no pride. That would be a huge blow to his arrogance.
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Exactly, there's just 1 mistake tho. Luke isn't more powerful than Anakin, they are equal (with Anakin being slightly a bit more powerful but full potential Ani > full potential Luke).
Oh my goodness that was sooo funny 😂 when you announced the winner as Luke. Anakin “what” hahahaha thank you!! I needed that laugh!!
TBH, I see Luke winning. He may have less training than his father at the same age, but Luke has a purity of purpose. Anakin was always conflicted, his mind and heart torn between the Light and Dark. Luke knew who he was and had already conquered the Dark Side and was wholly committed to the Light. I can't speak on the technical aspects, but Luke's mind and spirit were pure while Anakin was at war with himself (and this war would have defeated him)
Huh? bro Anakin was literally born from the force and any force user torn from light and dark are powerful Anakin at a young age was stronger than most Jedi Masters ik Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion and Ik I’m sucking Anakins dick but It’s crazy to ever think Luke could beat the Legendary Anakin Skywalker even Vader in his prime literally purged the galaxy of the strongest Jedis I’m talking about Jedi at the rank of grandmaster Maybe mace window but Luke? Just no
I think you guys are misunderstanding this comment, Luke’s trust and commitment to the light side and the force itself was extremely similar to that of Obiwans in that when they find their center (which for these two isn’t difficult thanks to their trust in the force) they are nigh unbeatable. It’s not that Anakins raw power wasn’t greater than that of any other force user, it’s that being torn between the light and dark made it nearly impossible for the chosen one to find his true center and to trust that the force will guide him unerringly, his entire life he suffers terrifying visions and his entire drive is to amass such strength that he can cancel out the will of the force which isn’t possible even for the chosen one which is proven in the fight between him and his old master Obi. I’m not saying Luke would for sure win, but I do think he was much more certain about his place in the galaxy and trusts the will of the force completely which is a HUGE advantage, Vader even says in a new hope that the power to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the force.
@White knight the original jedaii, while certain using the force as a whole, was still extremely wary fueling their powers with negative emotions (the book Dawn of the Jedi: Into the Void has some great insight into their beliefs if you’re interested). Like SWT said, Luke doesn’t care about whether the power he’s using is “light” or “dark” but rather his intent and using his will to do good on the galaxy to fuel even these “darker” powers means he will never be submerged in the dark side and the same can be said for the Jedaii, the great schism that saw the birth of the Sith (as a religion not the actual race) was caused by members of the jedaii that began fueling their power with negative emotions to gain greater strength, falling completely into darkness and fleeing from their masters to the Sith homeworld
@@jamesongillen1608 That's exactly what I was saying. Luke trusted the Force 100% because he understood his place in it. Being in such a place gave him focus, confidence and purity. Even Dark Siders needed purity to fulfill their true potential.
Anakin never had that. Maybe as Vader he did (before he was pulled to the Light by Luke) but as young Anakin he was always in conflict with himself.
Since Star Wars is more about character and metaphysics, that would have been the most important thing. Lucas wouldn't have just thought about power levels and neither would most (good) writers. A fictional fight is always about more than how strong or talented the combatants are.
Yeah no. If they both fought, to kill, Vader would win everytime
The fact you want to throw Starkiller into this is amazing! Going off this formula, I would agree with you. Luke a few years after "Return of the Jedi" is more of a grey jedi. I think grey jedi have a stronger connection to the force than any jedi or sith due to their code of justice/balance. Though the experience of dueling and combat that Anakin has is what keeps this battle close until the fatal mistake. Love your theories and content 🤟
I’ve always wanted to see who would win: Luke or Anakin in his prime before he became Vader. This would be BEYOND EPIC!!!
My opinion for who my favorites are would be anakin for his fall to the darkness, the story was amazing and really shows the true side of humanity, as any of us could be succumbed to that, as we’d wanna protect the ones we love too, but sometimes at that point falling so deep you don’t feel like you deserve the redemption anymore so pushing yourself further into the darkness believing it’s who you are now.. as for Luke I like his story for his bravery and heroism, optimism, not giving up on a loved one, believing there’s good in people and is willing to put his life on the line in saving those who he loves, a lot like his father but more like his mother calm and collective and trying to negotiate peace rather than force it through with violence like his father.. as for Qui Gon I love him for his wisdom, caught between light and darkness, he believed rather flowing with the Force but also wasn’t afraid to utilize the force and bending it when needed to be.. which put him in the middle of the dark and light finding balance between the two.. as for Obi Wan well I like his story because the man was literally Anakins Brother, unfortunately he was the only one who could defeat him at the time due to him being the one who trained him, it was literally a tragic story for Obi Wan too, he lost a brother that day.. now for Yoda well I just like him because he was wicked fast in the prequels and was supposed to be the OG and most powerful Jedi of his time, and for Mace well because his lightsaber is purple and he’s just a badass
Given the prognosis of the two, I find the explanation of their abilities: experience, temperament, raw ability and connection to the Force, to be quite accurate.
Luke's calm approach would keep him more connected to the flow of the Force and adapt his self-learned Djem-So to work like Obi-Wan's Soresu; how he would immerse himself into the Force, pushing his technical ability higher to keep up with Anakin's pressure and ferocity all the while parrying at the correct angles without losing advantage in the duel.
Perhaps the only wild card or unknown factor in this duel is Anakin's unachieved potential. Anakin's youth and spur to climb higher than any Jedi in Episode III doesn't come from his lust for power but more from his desperation to keep Padmé alive, quoting Yoda: "The shadow of greed that is." While this coupled with Anakin's unconsolidated foundation within the Dark Side would cause his defeat to Obi-Wan, despite his overwhelming new powers. I concur that it would lead to his defeat against Luke.
Although I doubt we could comprehend the magnitude of Anakin's power if he reached the penultimate height of the Chosen One's ability, as he would truly be the greatest the galaxy had ever seen, where I believe no one would be his equal.
Luke would win. At this point he had less training than Anakin, but Anakin in revenge of the sith, he was always sad, confused, worried, or hurt, leading him to make mistakes. Luke was incontrol of his emotions, giving him the upper hand mentality.
You underestimate the power of the dark side.
But Anakin had rage and anger to help him, which would allow him to overpower Luke easily.
And Anakin only lost against Obi Wan because of his ego.
@@Oxygen97 The same rage he lost to obi-wan when he attempted to jump over the high ground? Sith Anakin over estimates his powers! Luke is in control.
Yup I agree with you.
I would like to add that battle tactic wise and when it comes to dueling anakin all day would smack Luke’s ass because anakin was a Jedi but an extremely unorthodox Jedi just like qui-gon was and I get we have to stick to canon but Luke snapping over just Vader threatening leia is extremely brash and impatient, as to where his father was living a secret marriage that no one could know, was leading armies of clones into battles where they’re outnumbered 5 to 1 almost all the time, was dealing with the council consistently putting his ideas and his skill down and treating him like a dog and only praised and were willing to listen to him when it was convenient for them and had no problem putting all this pressure on him calling him the chosen one but yet not giving or showing their full trust in him as fellow Jedi. Our boi anakin had to grow up a lot faster than Luke did anakin had no such luxury of being able to be himself or be able to grow because the tight leash the council kept on him. To be able to deal with this for even a year requires a lot of patience and mental strength and yes I know anakin eventually succumbed to all this and became Vader. But to say that Luke has the mental strength to even do that at the age in mando for even a year is a hard no because as theory said and today himself the skywalker blood is powerful and their strength lies within their emotions, their passion and after all both anakin and Luke are human and there’s only so much you can take before you snap
That's why luke's Jedi order succeded he teached them the Skywalker's way "Use your emotions to become more powerfull but do not give to them to not be consumed by your own darkness" i mean in legends Luke always used his emotions And litterally became a lightside Nexus Himself
@@fersho450 Luke’s Jedi order failed it was his arrogance in thinking he was a master already that caused him to start his order and Luke himself says that he thought he was foolish to think he was ready to teach a new generation of Jedi and that he was on a power trip because of what he had already accomplished and thought teaching Jedi would be an easy task for him but his order ended the same way the republic did by the hands of the skywalker and I do mean Luke as well yes Ben solo fought his own classmates but, Luke raised his light saber against him first
Beautiful analysis my frienddd
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Dooku was considered one of the best duelists of his time, able to hold his own against Yoda. And Anakin beat him. Anakin stayed focused the entire fight and out-played him. I don't know why he always assumed Anakin would lose his cool during the fight, he was a very tactical thinker. Luke had no formal lightsaber training, and would get his ass handed to him very quickly by Anakin.
A big thing I think he missed in this video was that Obi Wan was a master of form three and knew Anakin like a book he had personally written. Mace referred to him as, “the” master of form three. Luke is definitely not that and Obi Wan admits that it took everything he had to defend against Anakin’s onslaught so I don’t believe Luke would be able to defend against Anakin for an extended period of time as Obi Wan did at all. If it was such a challenge for Obi Wan after having 13 years to master form three I don’t see Luke coming anywhere near that level of defensive skill. Luke has to win by force ability otherwise he’d be in pieces pretty quickly. The question is if he could realize that in time. Even then his force ability is only by a small margin at best so even then his victory isn’t guaranteed.
Incorrect, he literally force choked his own Wife out of anger. If that's not "tactical thinker" and being calm then... No. Luke had plenty of training, and had experience fighting Vader plenty of times, and a more packed up Galactic Civil war experience. Being older than Anakin. You cannot claim Anakin is a calm person who can keep control of his emotions if he choked his own wife, you just cannot. Domestic abuse is not emotional calmness. It's Irrational, bursty and disgusting behaviour. It's as simple as.
count docu was just a shade of his prime when he lost to anny
Anakin slaps luke with absolutely zero effort
@@undefeatedgaul3201 is a lightsaber duel, absolutely! Only the force? Not a chance in hell.
I’ve been waiting for this! I personally think Luke would win. But maybe this video will change my opinion about that. (Haven’t watched the video yet)
and why would you think Luke would win?
if we let them fight in their prime Anakin can obviously win easily.. he has better training (as he have learned for years in the jedi temple) and he has more experience (against other force sensitive powerfull opponents like Dooku or Ventress) and he is stronger in the force (he will use his anger and it will make him more and more powerfull) while Luke had only a few months proper training with Yoda and he (I mean Luke) didn't really ecnounter with other powerfull trained force sensitive beings to pratice/fight with (I mean, yeah he fought with Vader twice and first Vader was only toying with him and the sec. time Vader was holding back/let him win)
@@marco002 okay, watch the video 😄
@@Kashmulla1 I didn't see it, and I won't watch it, lately I have problems with that theory is confusing canon and legends and he is trying to "sell" it like everything would be canon..
so if he said the same then it is good, if not then we can have different opinion.. I wrote to you, not to him and I asked you, not him
@@marco002 so you clicked on the vid just to argue with people?
@@Kashmulla1 so asking you a question, that you still can't, could not, or don't want to answer is arguing? Having an opinion is arguing (we live in a free world)? I just asked you a question and said my opinion.
I clicked on it cause the title was interesting and stopped watching as soon as theory said again smt that is not canon as it would be canon..
I mean if you think sw theory is a god, he can't be wrong and only his opinion matters and you don't have your own, just his then don't even bother to answer my original question (no offence)
I was thinking the whole time “Luke would probably be a more powerful Obi Wan.” And then you said it! 🤣
Awesome idea; would love to see a legends Luke vs Undefeated Vader video in this style.
Luke aint fight noone like maul annakin doku grievous and more...
@@n.b.l.5709 tell me you are only movies star wars fans, without telling me you are only movies Star Wars fans
@@edogawaconan945 I go by the movies, f the rest
@@n.b.l.5709 Luke kills them all
@@n.b.l.5709 lol EU Luke fucking stomps on them all
It'll be a tough fight tbh but I think still Anakin will overpower luke
Anakin literally is the fuckn chosen one but there are still some plus points that luke can give him the toughest fight as an offensive dueler
We saw a bit of dark side in luke when Anakin threatens him that he'll make Leia turn to the dark side and he became so offensive that he almost kicked anakin's butt in a few slashes.
It would be a fight well to watch if both Anakin and luke are pissed off on each other.
Watching an offensive vs offensive duel would be worth watching
Offensive vs offensive. Anakin wins.
Among all the Jedi Anakin had the most aggresive, offensive Style
@@fersho450 that's what I'm saying ma man
He'll still overpower luke
But it won't be easy because while trying to face Vader he was being offensive just like Anakin, so that would be more entertaining than Obi wan vs Anakin on mustafar.
If Obi-Wan could beat Anakin, Luke could as well.
Anakin = potential energy
Luke = kinetic energy
Sadly we will never know how a calm, collected and patient Anakin would have been like
Can't really argue with your logic. Luke was on another level in Mando and he would be able to outlast Anakin for the exact reason you state...anakin would grow impatient and overly emotional. He would make a mistake like he did on Mustafar. All he had to do there was jump away from Kenobi and then circle around him but his arrogance and anger made him want to prove his master wrong so badly that he tried to jump over him
While Luke is defo more powerful in the force, Anakin has been formally trained for 13 years, facing constant war for 3 of them, training with and fighting against some of the most powerful duelists out there.
Luke had 20 minutes of training with Obi and a weekend of fucking around with Yoda.
Ani takes the dub for me
Finally! Someone with sense!😎😜
LUKE IS NOT A JEDI YET!
Luke still clapped vader after training by himself and even eventually overpowered vader luke deffo wins against anakin
Full potential Anakin and legends Luke are similar in power but because Anakin is the chosen one then I think he gets the slight edge
Anakin been training since his was 9 or whatever. Lukes training with Yoda isn't nearly enough to catch up.
@@mrlegkick91 I’m referring to legends Luke which has had a lot more time to train
@@haydenhight738 ye that's true I was thinking about luke at the end of rotj
@@mrlegkick91 understandable
And I think Luke being more knowledgeable in the force would sense that Anakin becomes stronger as the fight goes on and he would counter it
That's a really good point
We need full potential anakin vs legends luke pleeeeeeeeaaaaase
This would be the greatest 1v1 ever!!
Great commentary brother. Luke was my choice as soon as u asked the question. But I do love Anaken the most.
To be fair, most of Luke’s battle experience came from hands-on fights too, namely Darth Vader. It’s why his fighting style mirrors Anakin’s so much; in a way, Luke learned how to duel primarily from his father!
And we learn in comics that Luke fought some pretty gnarly opponents during his time as well, including the Grand Inquisitor!
How did Luke fight the Grand Inquisitor? GI died before Luke even left Tatooine...
@@marleykirton he fought his force spirit or some shit it’s stupid.
Lmfao he fought old Vader once and got wiped with zero effort and again when Vader just let him win. Also got his ass kicked by Leia and a little girl with a week training. His experience is getting his shit pushed in and looking embarrassingly unskilled doing it
I’d love to see you give your opinion on other versus series creators like EvanNova95 or Jensaari1, they do very in depth videos and seeing your opinion on their matchups would be interesting
If there's one thing I've learned from Star wars it's that never get stuck in a hallway with Skywalker
Thanks so much for the video