Remington actually went out of business in 2020 and was sold to multiple different companies. They've since resumed operations, and moved from New York, to Georgia.
I live in Herkimer, NY which is the neighboor town to Ilion, NY. After WWII, my grandfather worked at the Rem plant for 41 years. Occasionally Big Green would have employee only sales of overrun or display items (rifles, shotguns, ammo). My father told my grandfather to pick up 7mm rem mag 700 if one made the list. One day my grandfather brought home a BEAUTIFUL BDL in 8mm rem mag he picked for $85 thinking that 1mm isnt much difference. Oooof what a difference it is. Shorten the story- It made it to my cabinet and i am one of the biggest fans of this ctg and ever the tinkerman. My handloads send a a 200gr Barnes TSX around 3200fps and a 250 Woodleigh Weldcore RN at 3000fps into cloverleaf holes at 100yds. No signs of over pressure. Destroys beercans at 300yds. Havent had a chance to test the TSX on game yet. and probably never would need the 250gr Woodleighs. Truth be told it really is brutal recoil but not bad with a heavy coat. I do understand the obsolesence argument here, but the capability of this cartridge could never be questioned.
My old construction partner shot the 8mm Remington for everything from coyotes to elk using handloads. He loved it. Thanks for bringing back good memories Ron.
@vernonlarson7016 I've been seating a bunch of different combinations in my stw and punching paper, but nothing great yet except maybe a hot load of H1000 behind a 166gr Atip
I'd like to blow up a hog with mine just for the fun of it. But it's an absolute hammer on aoudad and elk and should work well for anything on this continent.
You don't have my favorite on the table. Best cartridge Remington has ever made.... 25-06! I can't wait to hear more from you about your build with a quick twist rate and heavier Berger projectiles.
25-06 is the greatest cartridge of all time. My opinion, but she is the most underrated overlooked caliber ever. I’m glad Ron appreciates its and mentions it a lot I’ve taken white tail Mule Sheep Caribou And when I got to afford my elk hunt 3 years ago before Covid hit all my friends said take ur 300 or borrow my 338 like really a 338 for elk. More elk have fallen to 30/30/270/3006/25-35/ and or weaker cartridges. In the end I grabbed one of my 3 25-06, maple stock medallion x bolt with hand loaded speer 120 grains at 3100fps plus and one shot boiler room. He went 10 ft and died. Big bull elk. I will always love the 25-06 and love the new 135 grainers coming out. Just gotta get a 1:7.5” Barrel kr even a custom 1:8” and use that barreled gun for 120-135 and you 1:9/10” barrels for all else 87-115
Energy, trajectory and recoil she is unmatched for what she can do. Most underrated caliber of all time. Glad new heavy bullets are coming to shut up all the 6.5 hype that Hornady marketed like crazy.
Pretty much anything in 8mm/32 caliber is AWESOME, all the way down to the 32acp and 32 rimfire. The 32 calibers would make a great topic for a video. Lots to explore there.
Remington did produce a 32 for the Model 8 rifle in 1906. It was chambered in the Model 8, Model 141 and Model 30. It is part of the group that includes the 25 Remington, 30 Remington and 35 Remington.
At the 4 minute mark I genuinely guessed right with the 8mm Rem Mag. I have one in my collection - The cartridge that is. I've never fired one but I have owned the cartridge since I was about 12 years old. The day an old gun smith gave me the 8mm Rem Mag he also gave me a 250-3000 and a 221 Rem Fireball cartridge. I still have them in my small collection. Thanks Ron. Good health to you and yours. :-)
Craig Boddington experimented with the 8mm Rem Mag, with good results and excellent accuracy (in a rifle with a 28” barrel). Like many other cartridges, it is a “tweener” right in the middle of cartridges that were already popular themselves. Hard for owners of rifles on either side to justify adding an 8mm Rem Mag to their collection.
The 220 Sierra Game King he built the rifle around and that target was one of the best combinations there,and that rifle with the Black Walnut stock is one very fine one.
@@MrPh30 sounds like you were reading the same magazines I was. :-) There was also a period where he couldn’t get the rifle to shoot well, tried a number of things to improve the situation, and finally replaced the Nightforce scope with a Leupold. As it turned out, that was the problem- the NF scoped failed, and groups instantly shrank with the Leupold in place. It was a beautiful rifle and I enjoyed reading about his experiences with it.
@@jasonf.4107 strange a NF fails,but thats dcope life, also i got a book by Col Askins and he really liked 8mm also, 8RM, 8x68S ,and a wildcat which is nothing more than a pre ww2 German developed one ,the 8mm-404 that was part of a number of others developed then. Largest was 9,3, smallest was 7,65.
Minute in, guessing 8mm rem mag. Never caught on, because it was before the mm craze. Have stuff to reload it, and would love to find a rifle chambered in it again. Great elk cartridge
Gotta be 8mm, don’t need to watch the video, only needed to see the Title…awesome cartridge. I’ve got friends that use it for whitetail, elk, moose, black bear, antelope.
@Jacob McCandles definitely more bullet selection for .338 diameter. Dad was loading 225gr spire points and 180gr spires. Seen 2 deer killed with the 225s and its a bit overkill for whitetail. Then other hand its weak for African big game. It's a niche cartridge that really only works right for moose and elk
I owned an 8mm Rem Mag in the late 70's and loved it!! It was very accurate with factory ammo and was deadly on moose. It was my loaner rifle for those who were just getting in the hunting game and it was used on moose and elk out to 350 yds with great efficiency. I sold it to one of those borrowers in the early 80's as I had several other rifles that I was experimenting with. I got my price for it which was unexpected as it was in a Rem 700 BDL and the price was well over the MSRP. Biggest regret was even though it was numerically a heavy recoiling rifle the rifle fit me so well it felt more like my several 30-06's. Sad to see it might be removed from the inventory!!
My guess at 4:00 in was the 416. I just couldn’t imagine a cartridge that prolific and popular worldwide being discontinued. I was surprised by the answer. I forgot that one existed. 😉As usual, great video! Thanks Ron!!!
When our hint was stated as “1 of 2” I was thinking either 6.5 Rem Mag or their 350. My immediate dismissal of the long belted was the fact that Remington introduced/legitimized 3 long belted I believe: 7mm STW, 8Mag and 416 Rem Mag. Mr. Spomer threw me for a loop!
Id like to see a video on the 264 win mag. Its a really flat shooter. I useto own one & I really liked it . At times I could put a dime on 3 shots @ 250 YARDS bench shooting.
Three years ago, I called my gunsmith up, and told him, I wanted him to build me another rifle.He asked which caliber. I said everyone is going crazy over the 6.5 bullet. He said a 6.5 Creedmoor? I said, nope, going old school, a 264 Winchester Magnum!!!! Man, he built me a shooter!!!
I remember when Remington came out with the 8mm. A cartridge I am starting to fall in love with the 8 is the parent cartridge of it. Thats the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner. Basically equals the 300 Winchester in performance but take a look at the BC of those 7MM bullets!! I don’t have one right this minute but the much higher BC on those 7mm bullets tells me it should really outperform the 300 at range. Would love it if you would go in depth on this idea of mine.
I had a 7mm STW for a while in a Weatherby Accumark, it was a nice rifle and shot well with heavy bullets. It kicked just like my .300 Weatherby though, and was just as heavy, they are both gone now. I found like you did, that the .300 Winchester Magnum had similar ballistics, and for me in a slightly lighter rifle it worked out well. For as far as I will shoot it's more than enough. We all have our favorites, that's the great thing about all the choices we have, and maybe a little bit of a curse as well. Enjoy that STW!
Well here goes then I have that 7mmstw and I have taken some 8 mag brass and necked it down. Just a couple of weeks ago I put together some loads of h1000 seated with a Hornady 166 GR a tip bullet and I think the coefficient on that was supposed to be up there around nearly 7 it was really really good but I'm not shot any yet and you're right that's 7 mm has some really good BC. I added a good muzzle brake to my model 700 went with a void stock which I floated the barrel and also went with a good recoil pad and it is easy to shoot now trying to build a good one 🤔
I'm an 8mm fan. I couldn't decide between a 338 mag and a 300 mag and really wanted something in between. I picked up an inexpensive used Rem 700 in 8mm Rem Mag. I really like the performance. It's sort of in the same niche as the 338 Win Mag. The 325 WSM will almost match it's performance in a short action. I think the ideal 8mm would be somewhere in between the WSM and the Rem Mag. The old 8x68mm S Schuler cartridge would be just about perfect, IMO, except for the odd bolt face diameter that's bigger than our 30-06 size and smaller than our magnum bolt faces. That presents challenges in building a modern rifle in this old cartridge. I've considered doing a wildcat, probably based on the 375 Ruger, but shortened a little. Didn't have a good way to push the shoulder back. Now that the 7mm PRC is out there, all sorts of gears are turning in my head about maybe necking that up to 323. I do like my Big 8. I tamed the recoil a little bit by putting a McMillan Fiberglass stock on it with a LimbSaver recoil pad. Mine came with a 24" barrel and I really think you'd need at least 26" to get the potential out of this big cartridge. I don't really want to go longer because I like short, handy rifles. That's part of the reason I'm considering a wildcat design, or maybe just getting a 325 WSM and calling it good. EDIT: Nosler makes factory ammo for it. I've been shooting the 200 gr AccuBond at an advertised 3000 fps. I have some 220 gr Sierra Game Kings and some 220 gr Swift A-Frames I want to try reloading.
A guy that I hunted elk with had one in a 700 Bdl rifle. He passed away from a brain hemorrhage.... It was thought then, that maybe his brain hemorrhages wete caused by the recoil of his favorite elk rifle. We'll never know! I shot it a couple of times. Yeah, it kicks! The best thing about the cartridge is getting the brass for reforming into other cartridges.... 358 STA, 300 Weatherby, 375 H&H, 7mm STW, 340 Weatherby, etc.... They can all be reformed from the 8mm Rem Mag. case.
Ron , I have owned a 700bdl in 8mm mag since 1978 love it and I have used up to a 300 gr. solid great long range. Several of the lads I hunt with made the comment it was over kill, I always returned it was instant kill. Over the years it has proved out as I have never had to track a wounded deer elk moose or caribou.
The old 32 Remington was in the old 30 rem case along with the 25 rem. The 35 rem actually had a bigger case. They were Remington's answer to the 25-35, 30-30 and 32 win special. Chambered in Remington's pumps and semiautomatics, even a bolt action I believe.
The 32 was released with the model 8. I have one from firat year of production, and the old fella my dad bought it from had saved the original box with a bunch of sales literature. One of the flyers was for their new Model 8 rifle and their new 32 and 25 Remington cartridges. It featured an illustration of a man facing down a grizzly with a Model 8.
The 32 Rem was a 32 cal too Ron. Not popular anymore nor for a long time, but it was around for years and my cousins hunted with one. Excellent video once again.
I wish they made brass for the 32 rem and 30 rem, I know it’s possible to convert 30-30 to 30 rem. Just looked at a 32 rem pump the other day and almost bought it, great guns left unused because of the oddball calibers
@@rex8958 Quality Cartridge makes brass for the 32 rem, but like everything right now, getting some may be a while. Midway usually carries it or you can go directly to QC and buy it/ $35.50 per 20 is not bad by any means now. They have a sign on their site that tells you that due to the covid shutdowns in their crazy state, they are WAY behind. Still, get on their waiting list or call and talk with them. I can't post the link or YT will delete it instantly. Check with Jameson Brass as well.
Also check out Colorado custom cartridge, they made some for me as well. They even sell loaded ammo. It’s made from 30-30 brass so it’s stamped as such but that didn’t bother me
I have a 325 WSM and I really like it. Ammo is just too expensive so you have to handload for it. With the right load I can get close to 3000 fps and the energy is near the 4000 foot pound mark.
I've always had a strange affinity for oddball cartridges and the 8 mm Rem mag hasn't escaped my notice. I was wondering if you've ever done anything on the 264 Winchester magnum? A round that was certainly ahead-of-its-time. And ahead of what was bullet Construction for its day. Funny thing is, I was reading Shooters Bibles in the 80s that said 8 mm Rem Mag was on its way out But here it is still.
I had an 8-Mag in a Model 700 Classic. It was a handful as far as recoil but shot lights out. I could never figure out why the recoil was so severe with it, but the same model in the 375 H&H was "milder". I lost both (among others) in a house fire back in '14, otherwise, it would still be in my collection. I believe that they introduced the 8mm Magnum because of the wild popularity the 7MM brought in 1962.
Not only have I heard of it and shot it, I own one in a BDL with a 24 inch barrel, with a sako extractor and muzzle brake. Hand loading absolutely squeezes the best out of it with modern slower powders. Remington and nosler offer factory loads, my local gun shop always has nosler accubond factory loads on the shelf. It has a bit of a following here. I absolutely love it. I shoot a 200 grain accubond and 220 Sierra out of it, I call it the hammer. I’ve shot everything from deer to moose and wood bison with it here in Yukon Territory, and it just makes things feel sick and die fast. It is similar to lots of others, but it has a unique feel and gets people talking. I love mine and will never let it go. I also love the 325wsm so I guess I’m just a bit weird. I agree it’s on the way out commercially, but there will always be a few purists that will keep it alive and taking game up here in the north. Good video Ron.
I had an 8mm Rem mag, and loved it. Its funny the negatives that get thrown around about a lack of bullets or recoil. There are 150, 175, 180, 195, 200, 220 and 250gn bullets for it, how many do you need? The talk of recol, any cartridge that has the energy the 8mm has will boot a bit, the .300's and the .338's with similar weight bullets at similar speeds, will kick about the same. The 8mm is a real killer and is a great 1 gun rifle for non DG big game.
8 mag, had one for years, I liked it but, really didn't do much my .300's and .338 didn't do, and was no match for my .340 Weatherby. Also, for the record, I have handloaded the 8mm Rem. Mag and the .325 WSM quite extensively. With both cartridges loaded properly with bullets 200 grains and up, the 8mm Rem. Mag beats the .325 by a pretty good margin.
I’m a 325 fan. But I must say it just can’t come close to 8Mag......unless we’re only talking factory loads. I think that was Mr. Spomer’s point. The only way my A-Bolt 325 trumps and 8Mag is light and handy short action and 23” bbl.
@@larrybassett5559 btw I’ve owned a 300 WM & WBY and handloaded for and shot a 338 WM. But it was a dream of mine to own a 340. The rifle I wanted it in (the year was ‘97) a Sako 75. Back when Sako was pretty much chambering EVERYTHING in FIVE different action sizes! How I wanted a Deluxe in 340!
@@robertfree1908 that would be a fine rifle for sure! I believe it was Ross Seyfried that wrote something to the tune of. "If you can't do it with a .340 Weatherby, it probably can't be done with a rifle. " Or something to that effect.
The comment, "You may find one cheap". That's funny! They are a collectors item. Great Video! I bought one that was like new, 4-5 years ago. I shot some factory 185 gr. Corelokt factory ammo in it. The recoil was stout but not near as bad as what I thought it would be. I got 1-1.25" groups at 100 yds. It's a 700 BDL. Next time I elk or moose hunt, that's the one I'm taking. I have handloads some 200 gr. Barnes X bullets but have not shot yet. It's about time someone had a video about the 8 mm Rem. Magnum. THANK YOU!!!!
Hi Ron. I got a custom 8mag in a 700 with a cut rifle 26 inch barrel. I shoot 200 accubonds at 3244. Rl26 is the magical powder. It does shoot awsome with sub moa but the recoil is alot.
A buddy of mine years ago had a Remington Model 700 BDL in 8mm Rem Mag. He took about a 200 sow running directly at us at about 75 yds. Craziest example of hydrostatic shock I ever saw! The pig, flew up in the air, landed right on it's back, all four legs almost straight up quivering for 25-30 seconds like it was hit by a lightning bolt! I'll never forget that hunt in Northern California on a private ranch near Ukiah in 1983, I think...What a memory, and what a howitzer of a cartridge!
wow, thought this one had gone a long time ago. not surprising--8's never really caught on here in the US. the 8x68s might have some interest today, if there was any reliable loading data or factory rifles. i'd take an 8mm-06 any day of the week. great video!
Gregory, it happens that, after ww-1, the germans developed just that.!! It's the 8×60S Mauser.!!! I'm a happy owner of an old, (but like new), excellent CZ-Brno bolt action rifle in that cal., and I love it.!!!
I had a Thompson Center Encore 338 Winchester Magnum rifle barrel rechambered in 338-8mm Remington Magnum. Yes, 26 inch barrel utilizing resized 300 H&H Magnum brass.
Good job Ron, had me going for a moment there, as I’m a 7 Rem Mag guy. Just put a Bushnell Banner 6x18 on my Model 670 Winchester for some power line hunting. Take care, Me
Fun video again Ron. For many reasons the 8mm/32 cal has never caught on, in America. 8mm RM done and dusted, 325 Short Fat was a flash in the pan, probably the 32 Special was the most popular and that has gathered dust for years. 32s and 35s just don't gain traction. The 25s are getting that way too. Ron, a key part is missing in this video. Where the heck is Covey? 😁
@@georgesakellaropoulos8162 yes they were. And a lot stayed as 8x57. But since 8mm-06 was never a factor round and 8x57 ammo is difficult to find, that shows that the 8mm/32 has yet to gain much traction in America. I don't think it will in the future, either.
America has always been a straight .30 cal country. Although in todays world thanks to the ar15 we've become more of a .224 and 6.5 cal country thanks to the creedmoor. But .308 and .3006 still hold high for many.
I got it, and yes it's a shoulder killer! back around 1990, I had a fellow ask me to load a lighter load for him as he couldn't handle the recoil and he was a huge man Broad-shouldered all muscle but the recoil was such that he flinched every time he touched off a round. We changed the powder to IMR 4831 around 50 gns and pared down the bullet to something around 165 gn bullet. The recoil if memory served, was cut in half.
And yet I know 115-pound women who shoot 338 Win. Mag. as their light rifle, 458 Win. Mag. when something heavier needed. Convinced recoil is more perceived than real, but depends on stock design to significant degree.
Model 8 Remington design by John Moses Browning. Came in a 32 caliber. Rimless ammo made for the auto loader was in 25,30,32, and 35. 35 Remington is the only one they still make. I have one in 32 Remington and it’s hard to find ammo.
It's an amazing cartridge. 8mm Mauser is also great. But in spite of massive availability of 8mm Mauser surplus rifles, that diameter just ever caught on. New high end Mauser rifles are still chambered for the old warbird.
I bought a Portuguese Mauser from 1908 for $200 once. It came "with ammunition" listed in the sale. On pickup, I was walking out with the rifle when the clerk mentioned I'd better take the ammo. I turned to see him with two full shopping bags of milsurp! Best $200 I ever spent.
Many years ago, I flipped a coin to choose between the 8 MM Rem Mag and a 375 H&H Mag. I came home with a Rem 700 Classic (1996) 375 H&H Mag... Very worried as I haven't seen 35 Rem 200 RN on the shelves in almost 3 years. The Marlin 336 was my favorite woods rifle for a long time.
Before Winchester developed the 325WSM, I developed an 8mm magnum on an Improved 7mm Dakots case. I named it "8mm Elkhamr." It's an Incredible cartridge, fits in an 06 length action and will push 200gr Accubonds over 3125fps. It's a pretty flat shooting thumper! The downside is recoil. It's a fast, sharp, grenade in the armpit type of recoil. I do not have a muzzle brake installed on the rifle either. The rifle is built on a custom Rem 721 action, Stainless 26" match grade magnum contour barrel, Bell and Carlson stock. It's a fine shooting rifle.
So I just bought a Remington 700 chambered in 8mm mag and no wonder I can’t find bullets for it. Did I screw up by buying this rifle? Is Remington not making this anymore?
I have a 32 remington model 26. Can't find ammo anywhere. Have to make it from 30 remington which hard to find too. I also have a Winchester 94 in 32 winchester special. The 32 winchester dies also load the 32 remington. 32 remington was made for 2 rifles. The 26 pump action and a semi auto version. The semi used pointed bullets while the slide action used round nose like the 32 winchester special.
Ron says you might pick one up cheap. Yeah, right! The market for used 8 Rem Mags is off the chart! I bought one in March 1978 and still have it. I have taken black bear, whitetails, and hundreds of woodchucks with it. Yes, it is definitely overkill for woodchucks. But they are a great way to get some trigger time in with whatever rifle you want to hunt with. Would I buy it again? Probably. Especially if I were in my early 20's again.
I'm trying to figure out the same thing as to why S&W just came out with a new 10mm pistol? I haven't seen a lot of support in making 10mm ammo readily available. Is there something that I don't know? Help me out Ron.
I got a Remington 8mm magnum back when they fist when they first came out , but found it was a bit too much recoil for me, so I had it Mag-Na -Ported", I Ioved it!
Have one in a 700, figured the pick would be a belted case. My first guess was the 350MAG. Bought the 8mm to hunt moose or elk, has work just fine every time it was used on game. Tamed the recoil with a HS Precision stock. Will most likely pass it on to a to a family member when I can't take the gun for a walk.
8mm Rem Mag excellent accurate and powerful when loaded with IMR 7828. 220 gr. Sierra BT at 3075 fps. Once shot a 2 shot 2 in. group at 600 yards. Factory Model 700 with 3x9 Leopold.
I wished I was watching when this first came up. I knew right away it was the 8MM. When I got my beloved 7MMSTW I studied all about the 8MM with that being used as the parent case. It is weird to me that the 8mm isn’t more popular. It falls perfect between the .30 and .338. However there isn’t much between the .338 and .375’s either.
I think the 8mm Rem Mag is super cool. I legitimately didn't know that Remington was still making ammo for it. I don't think I've ever seen a box on sale.
@@Chilly_Billy after 40 S&W came out the consensus was “no need for a 10mm”. The fans kept it alive and look at 10mm now. I’m not saying the 8Mag can or will be the Phoenix that the 10mm is. But maybe there are enough fans to keep it alive. Like 41 Mag
@@robertfree1908 agreed. The 10mm is more popular than ever, while the .40 is dying a slow death. I have never liked the .40 - why settle for the detuned version of the real deal?
@@highplainsdrifter9631 the 40 may die away. I’ve never liked it as much as the 10mm. But I do like the 40 for what it does: fit in 9mm sized autos. I believe the 40(357 SIG & 9mm as well. They just give users more options. Say a heavy bullet in 40 for instance if that’s what they want). It also has good ballistics. Honestly I don’t believe it was ever meant to replace the 10. It was meant for what the 9mm is heralded for today[as it always has really]: performance with lower, manageable recoil. Hate to be long winded. Just felt it should be said. ALL of our cartridges are great cartridges but for different platforms and uses. Take the new 30 Super Carry; though I don’t think it was intended for this but I think it would be great for a low recoiling target auto target round. Your thoughts?
I own an 8mm Rem. For hunting it is fantastic. For the big stuff it is every bit as good as and better than many inits power category. If the component manufacturers wound have made better bullets it may have done better.
My dad had, and I still have his 700 BDL 8mm Remington magnum. It has stout recoil and it is extremely lethal out to 500 yards, and beyond. I honestly believe that if there were more bullet options it would’ve rose more in popularity because it is a flat shooting big magnum that will take anything in North America and African plains game no problem.
I think it was one of three. 7stw, and 416 as well as the 8 mag. Which I have one of, plus an extra barrel and a ton of unfired brass and 416 brass as well. Even chambered a 338 win rem 700 to 338x 8 mag, best big cartridge I have 250’s over 3000 and accurate.
Got a 8mm rem mag in a 700 classic love the rifle . Nosler was loading and making brass for it before pandemic. Only thing I own harder to find ammo for is my 350 rem magnum.
You're right. I have never heard of it. Though, being from the Midwest, and never getting to hunt outside of the region, I have never heard of a lot of cartridges. Ballistic history certainly is interesting.
I've heard of the 8mm Remington Magnum, but never knew anybody who even had one. I have a Remington 700 Classic chambered in .17 Remington and a Remington 700 BDL chambered in .280 Remington, and I handload both (just like all of my other centerfire rounds.) Love both of those rounds. The .17 Remington has killed a ton of varmints, and the .280 has killed a good number of deer and big game as well throughout the years. Awesome video as always, Ron!
Hey Ron: I know you're a quarter-bore fan, and an -06 fan, but if you were to design a quarterbore short-action in bolt and gas guns, what would you design? 25-creedmoor using a hybrid 277 Fury style case? A 25-western? Something in-between?
In your opinion, does a .308 Ruger Scout Rifle Bolt-Action make since these days? I want one rifle that will do everything and a caliber that will be around for the next 20-30 years. Thanks for any insight.
Mine is a first year production bdl. I shoots a 200g Accubond just under 3k, it is a thumper and I wouldn't get rid of it. Mine is muzzle braked, call it Louten Frua for fun.
I knew a number of people who these. Considerably less popular than the 338 win mag. Which is a great cartridge. Since the 338 is shorter,it,in my opinion is superior
I only found out about this cartridge last year. I was @ a gun show in Duncan, BC & a guy at a counter has a Remington 700 & when I asked what caliber it was chambered in, he said “8mm Remington Magnum” and I was like “what”? I googled it & I realized I never heard this cartridge, but when i found out, I was in love. I’ve been dying to get my hands on an 8mm Rem Mag since (hopefully in a Winchester 70).
I'm pretty sure the 7mm STW that uses the 8 Rem Mag as a parent case is actually more popular than it's parent case. And let's face, people aren't exactly beating down the doors of their local gun shop to get their hands on a 7 STW.
I thought sure you were going to say the .350 Rem Mag. I’m sure it’s hot on the tail of the 8mm. I have a .350, and I like it a lot. But I’ve stocked up on brass, anticipating it’s demise.
I've been trying to get some brass for my 350 rem mag. Got lucky last year at a gun show and got 100 unfired Remington brass. Started to load for it using them and some I had from factory ammo and love this cartridge.
@@garretttippett-patterson4767 I also love the .350 Rem Magnum. I load 200 gr. Barnes TSX bullets and use TAC powder. I get around 2800- 2850 fps out of a 22" brl. Look in the Barnes #4 manual. I don't even load the maximum load.
No they're not going to get rid of that 25-06 that's too good of a gun I actually thought it was going to be the 222 not because it's bad round or anything but mainly because there's so many out there that outdo it
I may have misunderstood you at the 06:54 mark when you stated that the 8mm was the only .32 caliber under the Remington name. Apologies if I am wrong but the Remington semiauto model 8 and 81 Woodsmasters and the Remington pump model 14 and 141 Gamemasters as well as the Remington model 30 bolt action all came in the 32 Remington developed in 1906 and also known as the 32 Remington Rimmed or 32 Remington Auto loading. Before everybody breaks out torches and pitchforks, Yes 8mm Remington Magnum is an actual .323 and the 32 Remington is a .321 but I respectfully believe they are both 32 Cal’s
The 8mm just doesn't have the support for component bullets. I have some big 220 gr bullets on the shelf for it if I ever got one. Those probably wont get used.
ER Shaw will make you a 8mm Remington magnum and you will have to roll your own or go with a custom reloader outfit. Great caliber for big thin skinned critters.
This was fun to watch, I wonder if Rem. remarketed this cartridge as the “8mm RM” if it would improve sales? Perhaps they don’t want to cut into their 7mm RM sales. They have that history with the 7 SAUM (which I hand load for,) only offering it with a 22” barrel. I have it in a 25” barrel in my Tang Safety 77 short-action that isn’t any longer overall than a 7 RM with a 24” barrel, and it has similar performance- With less powder and recoil!
In 1906 Remington came out with the 32 Remington for the model 8 and could get it in a model 14 which I have and some other models.But the 32 remington had a bullet diameter is a . 321
Judging by the empty shelves in my area, all of Remington's cartridges must be on their way out.
Bought some 30-30 in Maine @ Cabela's and the local Walmart has .270s .... I'm sure they are pumping it out. It's coming around ...
That’s funny!
You can say that again! Same in my area!
The new Core Lokt tipped are making their way around soon !
Remington actually went out of business in 2020 and was sold to multiple different companies. They've since resumed operations, and moved from New York, to Georgia.
I live in Herkimer, NY which is the neighboor town to Ilion, NY. After WWII, my grandfather worked at the Rem plant for 41 years. Occasionally Big Green would have employee only sales of overrun or display items (rifles, shotguns, ammo). My father told my grandfather to pick up 7mm rem mag 700 if one made the list. One day my grandfather brought home a BEAUTIFUL BDL in 8mm rem mag he picked for $85 thinking that 1mm isnt much difference. Oooof what a difference it is.
Shorten the story- It made it to my cabinet and i am one of the biggest fans of this ctg and ever the tinkerman. My handloads send a a 200gr Barnes TSX around 3200fps and a 250 Woodleigh Weldcore RN at 3000fps into cloverleaf holes at 100yds. No signs of over pressure. Destroys beercans at 300yds. Havent had a chance to test the TSX on game yet. and probably never would need the 250gr Woodleighs. Truth be told it really is brutal recoil but not bad with a heavy coat.
I do understand the obsolesence argument here, but the capability of this cartridge could never be questioned.
My old construction partner shot the 8mm Remington for everything from coyotes to elk using handloads. He loved it. Thanks for bringing back good memories Ron.
Yeah and I've got some 8mm cases that I neck down to shoot in my 7mm STW considering I couldn't find brass but they work pretty darn good.
@@michaelapple2753 I do the same. I got a custom 8mag and two custom 7stw. Great cartridges. I love old school stuff. I load everything.
@vernonlarson7016 I've been seating a bunch of different combinations in my stw and punching paper, but nothing great yet except maybe a hot load of H1000 behind a 166gr Atip
@@michaelapple2753 I load rl26 in my 2 7stw rifles
I'd like to blow up a hog with mine just for the fun of it. But it's an absolute hammer on aoudad and elk and should work well for anything on this continent.
280 REM is so good. Wish it was more popular as it should be. I don’t own one however always wanted a 280 REM. 😍
7mm Mag steals it's thunder.
I bought a Remington 700 BDL in 8MM Mag back when it came out and still have it. Its a good round that never caught on.
Just like the 358 win
Hold onto it. I have one also. Prices are going up, up and up.
You don't have my favorite on the table. Best cartridge Remington has ever made.... 25-06! I can't wait to hear more from you about your build with a quick twist rate and heavier Berger projectiles.
The 25-06 is definitely a favorite of mine.
25-06 is the greatest cartridge of all time. My opinion, but she is the most underrated overlooked caliber ever. I’m glad Ron appreciates its and mentions it a lot
I’ve taken white tail
Mule
Sheep
Caribou
And when I got to afford my elk hunt 3 years ago before Covid hit all my friends said take ur 300 or borrow my 338 like really a 338 for elk. More elk have fallen to 30/30/270/3006/25-35/ and or weaker cartridges. In the end I grabbed one of my 3 25-06, maple stock medallion x bolt with hand loaded speer 120 grains at 3100fps plus and one shot boiler room. He went 10 ft and died. Big bull elk. I will always love the 25-06 and love the new 135 grainers coming out. Just gotta get a 1:7.5” Barrel kr even a custom 1:8” and use that barreled gun for 120-135 and you 1:9/10” barrels for all else 87-115
Energy, trajectory and recoil she is unmatched for what she can do.
Most underrated caliber of all time.
Glad new heavy bullets are coming to shut up all the 6.5 hype that Hornady marketed like crazy.
25/06
@@randylong8156. I’d one day love to have one.
Pretty much anything in 8mm/32 caliber is AWESOME, all the way down to the 32acp and 32 rimfire. The 32 calibers would make a great topic for a video. Lots to explore there.
LOL! Called from the second I read the title..
I swear that cartridge has been the red-headed step child of Remington Cartridges since it came out.
Remington did produce a 32 for the Model 8 rifle in 1906. It was chambered in the Model 8, Model 141 and Model 30. It is part of the group that includes the 25 Remington, 30 Remington and 35 Remington.
Have a 32 Remington for aModle 141, brass was hard to find, nice little brush and timber rifle. Lucked out a few years ago, Midway had some brass.
Huntington's might have brass too. They always advertise that they have 30 Rem
At the 4 minute mark I genuinely guessed right with the 8mm Rem Mag. I have one in my collection - The cartridge that is. I've never fired one but I have owned the cartridge since I was about 12 years old. The day an old gun smith gave me the 8mm Rem Mag he also gave me a 250-3000 and a 221 Rem Fireball cartridge. I still have them in my small collection.
Thanks Ron. Good health to you and yours. :-)
Craig Boddington experimented with the 8mm Rem Mag, with good results and excellent accuracy (in a rifle with a 28” barrel). Like many other cartridges, it is a “tweener” right in the middle of cartridges that were already popular themselves. Hard for owners of rifles on either side to justify adding an 8mm Rem Mag to their collection.
The 220 Sierra Game King he built the rifle around and that target was one of the best combinations there,and that rifle with the Black Walnut stock is one very fine one.
@@MrPh30 sounds like you were reading the same magazines I was. :-) There was also a period where he couldn’t get the rifle to shoot well, tried a number of things to improve the situation, and finally replaced the Nightforce scope with a Leupold. As it turned out, that was the problem- the NF scoped failed, and groups instantly shrank with the Leupold in place. It was a beautiful rifle and I enjoyed reading about his experiences with it.
@@jasonf.4107 strange a NF fails,but thats dcope life, also i got a book by Col Askins and he really liked 8mm also, 8RM, 8x68S ,and a wildcat which is nothing more than a pre ww2 German developed one ,the 8mm-404 that was part of a number of others developed then. Largest was 9,3, smallest was 7,65.
@@jasonf.4107 Are you sure it wasn't the Leupold that broke, and was replaced with a NF? That's normally how that works.
@@LRRPFco52 yes
8 mag great cartridge and spawned many fine wildcats my favorite the 7stw..it was the big daddy of the day
Minute in, guessing 8mm rem mag. Never caught on, because it was before the mm craze. Have stuff to reload it, and would love to find a rifle chambered in it again. Great elk cartridge
Good job 👏
I agree
Gotta be 8mm, don’t need to watch the video, only needed to see the Title…awesome cartridge. I’ve got friends that use it for whitetail, elk, moose, black bear, antelope.
The heck of it is, if you need an action that long, the .338 Lapua bests it.
@Jacob McCandles definitely more bullet selection for .338 diameter. Dad was loading 225gr spire points and 180gr spires. Seen 2 deer killed with the 225s and its a bit overkill for whitetail. Then other hand its weak for African big game. It's a niche cartridge that really only works right for moose and elk
I owned an 8mm Rem Mag in the late 70's and loved it!! It was very accurate with factory ammo and was deadly on moose. It was my loaner rifle for those who were just getting in the hunting game and it was used on moose and elk out to 350 yds with great efficiency. I sold it to one of those borrowers in the early 80's as I had several other rifles that I was experimenting with. I got my price for it which was unexpected as it was in a Rem 700 BDL and the price was well over the MSRP. Biggest regret was even though it was numerically a heavy recoiling rifle the rifle fit me so well it felt more like my several 30-06's. Sad to see it might be removed from the inventory!!
I have an 8mm Rem Mag. I also have a 325 WSM and two 8x68S's. I like the obscure stuff.
My guess at 4:00 in was the 416. I just couldn’t imagine a cartridge that prolific and popular worldwide being discontinued. I was surprised by the answer. I forgot that one existed. 😉As usual, great video! Thanks Ron!!!
The .416’s (especially the Rigby) are super popular overseas.
The bullet weight range ruled it out for me.
When our hint was stated as “1 of 2” I was thinking either 6.5 Rem Mag or their 350. My immediate dismissal of the long belted was the fact that Remington introduced/legitimized 3 long belted I believe: 7mm STW, 8Mag and 416 Rem Mag. Mr. Spomer threw me for a loop!
I'm a big Winchester fan all day.
243w 308w 270w 300wm 🤠🇺🇲
I'v used for all game and is the most popular in America.
I would love to see you do a comparison between Remington and Winchester…8mm Remington Magnum and the 325 Winchester Short Magnum.
I compare them a bit in 8mm RM extended video posting to RSOTV.com later today.
Id like to see a video on the 264 win mag. Its a really flat shooter. I useto own one & I really liked it . At times I could put a dime on 3 shots @ 250 YARDS bench shooting.
Last 264 ammo I saw for sale were over $100/20rnds
@@donlovell6708 I saw rem core lokt the other day for $50/20
@@ChallisVenstra my local Sportsman's Warehouse has it for $82/20. 😲
Three years ago, I called my gunsmith up, and told him, I wanted him to build me another rifle.He asked which caliber. I said everyone is going crazy over the 6.5 bullet. He said a 6.5 Creedmoor? I said, nope, going old school, a 264 Winchester Magnum!!!!
Man, he built me a shooter!!!
I remember when Remington came out with the 8mm. A cartridge I am starting to fall in love with the 8 is the parent cartridge of it. Thats the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner. Basically equals the 300 Winchester in performance but take a look at the BC of those 7MM bullets!! I don’t have one right this minute but the much higher BC on those 7mm bullets tells me it should really outperform the 300 at range. Would love it if you would go in depth on this idea of mine.
I had a 7mm STW for a while in a Weatherby Accumark, it was a nice rifle and shot well with heavy bullets. It kicked just like my .300 Weatherby though, and was just as heavy, they are both gone now. I found like you did, that the .300 Winchester Magnum had similar ballistics, and for me in a slightly lighter rifle it worked out well. For as far as I will shoot it's more than enough. We all have our favorites, that's the great thing about all the choices we have, and maybe a little bit of a curse as well. Enjoy that STW!
Yep, my rechambered 7 mag loves 8mm reformed brass
Well here goes then I have that 7mmstw and I have taken some 8 mag brass and necked it down. Just a couple of weeks ago I put together some loads of h1000 seated with a Hornady 166 GR a tip bullet and I think the coefficient on that was supposed to be up there around nearly 7 it was really really good but I'm not shot any yet and you're right that's 7 mm has some really good BC. I added a good muzzle brake to my model 700 went with a void stock which I floated the barrel and also went with a good recoil pad and it is easy to shoot now trying to build a good one 🤔
@@michaelapple2753 uuuu u
Had one built and used it in Colorado elk and bear hunting for a dozen years, loved it! Fast, flat and powerfull.
Saw the thumb nail and knew it was going to be the 8mm Rem Mag.
Actually makes me want to chamber a custom Mauser in this "obsolete" cartridge!
Give that great cartridge some love 💕
I'm an 8mm fan. I couldn't decide between a 338 mag and a 300 mag and really wanted something in between. I picked up an inexpensive used Rem 700 in 8mm Rem Mag. I really like the performance. It's sort of in the same niche as the 338 Win Mag. The 325 WSM will almost match it's performance in a short action. I think the ideal 8mm would be somewhere in between the WSM and the Rem Mag. The old 8x68mm S Schuler cartridge would be just about perfect, IMO, except for the odd bolt face diameter that's bigger than our 30-06 size and smaller than our magnum bolt faces. That presents challenges in building a modern rifle in this old cartridge. I've considered doing a wildcat, probably based on the 375 Ruger, but shortened a little. Didn't have a good way to push the shoulder back. Now that the 7mm PRC is out there, all sorts of gears are turning in my head about maybe necking that up to 323.
I do like my Big 8. I tamed the recoil a little bit by putting a McMillan Fiberglass stock on it with a LimbSaver recoil pad. Mine came with a 24" barrel and I really think you'd need at least 26" to get the potential out of this big cartridge. I don't really want to go longer because I like short, handy rifles. That's part of the reason I'm considering a wildcat design, or maybe just getting a 325 WSM and calling it good.
EDIT: Nosler makes factory ammo for it. I've been shooting the 200 gr AccuBond at an advertised 3000 fps. I have some 220 gr Sierra Game Kings and some 220 gr Swift A-Frames I want to try reloading.
A guy that I hunted elk with had one in a 700 Bdl rifle.
He passed away from a brain hemorrhage....
It was thought then, that maybe his brain hemorrhages wete caused by the recoil of his favorite elk rifle.
We'll never know! I shot it a couple of times. Yeah, it kicks!
The best thing about the cartridge is getting the brass for reforming into other cartridges....
358 STA, 300 Weatherby, 375 H&H, 7mm STW, 340 Weatherby, etc....
They can all be reformed from the 8mm Rem Mag. case.
Ron , I have owned a 700bdl in 8mm mag since 1978 love it and I have used up to a 300 gr. solid great long range. Several of the lads I hunt with made the comment it was over kill, I always returned it was instant kill. Over the years it has proved out as I have never had to track a wounded deer elk moose or caribou.
My grandpa passed his Remington 700 bdl down to me and I love it it kicks like hell but deadly
The old 32 Remington was in the old 30 rem case along with the 25 rem. The 35 rem actually had a bigger case. They were Remington's answer to the 25-35, 30-30 and 32 win special. Chambered in Remington's pumps and semiautomatics, even a bolt action I believe.
The 32 was released with the model 8. I have one from firat year of production, and the old fella my dad bought it from had saved the original box with a bunch of sales literature. One of the flyers was for their new Model 8 rifle and their new 32 and 25 Remington cartridges. It featured an illustration of a man facing down a grizzly with a Model 8.
The 32 Rem was a 32 cal too Ron. Not popular anymore nor for a long time, but it was around for years and my cousins hunted with one. Excellent video once again.
I wish they made brass for the 32 rem and 30 rem, I know it’s possible to convert 30-30 to 30 rem. Just looked at a 32 rem pump the other day and almost bought it, great guns left unused because of the oddball calibers
@@rex8958 Quality Cartridge makes brass for the 32 rem, but like everything right now, getting some may be a while. Midway usually carries it or you can go directly to QC and buy it/ $35.50 per 20 is not bad by any means now. They have a sign on their site that tells you that due to the covid shutdowns in their crazy state, they are WAY behind. Still, get on their waiting list or call and talk with them. I can't post the link or YT will delete it instantly. Check with Jameson Brass as well.
@@404nitro thanks for the info, now I’m considering it. Wouldn’t be a range gun or anything I shoot a lot so price of brass isn’t really an issue.
@@rex8958 Good luck!
Also check out Colorado custom cartridge, they made some for me as well. They even sell loaded ammo. It’s made from 30-30 brass so it’s stamped as such but that didn’t bother me
I have a 325 WSM and I really like it. Ammo is just too expensive so you have to handload for it.
With the right load I can get close to 3000 fps and the energy is near the 4000 foot pound mark.
I've always had a strange affinity for oddball cartridges and the 8 mm Rem mag hasn't escaped my notice.
I was wondering if you've ever done anything on the 264 Winchester magnum? A round that was certainly ahead-of-its-time. And ahead of what was bullet Construction for its day. Funny thing is, I was reading Shooters Bibles in the 80s that said 8 mm Rem Mag was on its way out
But here it is still.
My buddy only shoots .264 magnum with cutting edge bullets on elk and it hammers them!
I'll never get rid of my 8mag and 2 of my 7stw rifles.
I had an 8-Mag in a Model 700 Classic. It was a handful as far as recoil but shot lights out. I could never figure out why the recoil was so severe with it, but the same model in the 375 H&H was "milder". I lost both (among others) in a house fire back in '14, otherwise, it would still be in my collection. I believe that they introduced the 8mm Magnum because of the wild popularity the 7MM brought in 1962.
Not only have I heard of it and shot it, I own one in a BDL with a 24 inch barrel, with a sako extractor and muzzle brake. Hand loading absolutely squeezes the best out of it with modern slower powders. Remington and nosler offer factory loads, my local gun shop always has nosler accubond factory loads on the shelf. It has a bit of a following here. I absolutely love it. I shoot a 200 grain accubond and 220 Sierra out of it, I call it the hammer. I’ve shot everything from deer to moose and wood bison with it here in Yukon Territory, and it just makes things feel sick and die fast. It is similar to lots of others, but it has a unique feel and gets people talking. I love mine and will never let it go. I also love the 325wsm so I guess I’m just a bit weird. I agree it’s on the way out commercially, but there will always be a few purists that will keep it alive and taking game up here in the north. Good video Ron.
This Video brought a smile to my face.
The genuine 😊 joy
I suspected the 8MM Rem Mag at first, but once you mentioned bullet weight, it was pretty much obvious. Thanks again for a thoughtful video!
Bullet weight helped me guess it
I had an 8mm Rem mag, and loved it.
Its funny the negatives that get thrown around about a lack of bullets or recoil. There are 150, 175, 180, 195, 200, 220 and 250gn bullets for it, how many do you need? The talk of recol, any cartridge that has the energy the 8mm has will boot a bit, the .300's and the .338's with similar weight bullets at similar speeds, will kick about the same.
The 8mm is a real killer and is a great 1 gun rifle for non DG big game.
8 mag, had one for years, I liked it but, really didn't do much my .300's and .338 didn't do, and was no match for my .340 Weatherby. Also, for the record, I have handloaded the 8mm Rem. Mag and the .325 WSM quite extensively. With both cartridges loaded properly with bullets 200 grains and up, the 8mm Rem. Mag beats the .325 by a pretty good margin.
I’m a 325 fan. But I must say it just can’t come close to 8Mag......unless we’re only talking factory loads. I think that was Mr. Spomer’s point. The only way my A-Bolt 325 trumps and 8Mag is light and handy short action and 23” bbl.
@@robertfree1908 Agreed, sure wouldn't want a lightweight 8mm Rem mag!
@@larrybassett5559 that depends on where the weight is and how often you have to shoot it! Lol
@@larrybassett5559 btw I’ve owned a 300 WM & WBY and handloaded for and shot a 338 WM. But it was a dream of mine to own a 340. The rifle I wanted it in (the year was ‘97) a Sako 75. Back when Sako was pretty much chambering EVERYTHING in FIVE different action sizes! How I wanted a Deluxe in 340!
@@robertfree1908 that would be a fine rifle for sure! I believe it was Ross Seyfried that wrote something to the tune of.
"If you can't do it with a .340 Weatherby, it probably can't be done with a rifle. "
Or something to that effect.
The comment, "You may find one cheap". That's funny! They are a collectors item. Great Video! I bought one that was like new, 4-5 years ago. I shot some factory 185 gr. Corelokt factory ammo in it. The recoil was stout but not near as bad as what I thought it would be. I got 1-1.25" groups at 100 yds. It's a 700 BDL. Next time I elk or moose hunt, that's the one I'm taking. I have handloads some 200 gr. Barnes X bullets but have not shot yet. It's about time someone had a video about the 8 mm Rem. Magnum. THANK YOU!!!!
Hi Ron. I got a custom 8mag in a 700 with a cut rifle 26 inch barrel. I shoot 200 accubonds at 3244. Rl26 is the magical powder. It does shoot awsome with sub moa but the recoil is alot.
A buddy of mine years ago had a Remington Model 700 BDL in 8mm Rem Mag. He took about a 200 sow running directly at us at about 75 yds. Craziest example of hydrostatic shock I ever saw! The pig, flew up in the air, landed right on it's back, all four legs almost straight up quivering for 25-30 seconds like it was hit by a lightning bolt! I'll never forget that hunt in Northern California on a private ranch near Ukiah in 1983, I think...What a memory, and what a howitzer of a cartridge!
I had it fairly early on but you sure had me second guessing toward the end ! Lol
wow, thought this one had gone a long time ago. not surprising--8's never really caught on here in the US. the 8x68s might have some interest today, if there was any reliable loading data or factory rifles. i'd take an 8mm-06 any day of the week. great video!
Gregory, it happens that, after ww-1, the germans developed just that.!!
It's the 8×60S Mauser.!!!
I'm a happy owner of an old, (but like new), excellent CZ-Brno bolt action rifle in that cal., and I love it.!!!
thanks again Ron!
I had a Thompson Center Encore 338 Winchester Magnum rifle barrel rechambered in 338-8mm Remington Magnum. Yes, 26 inch barrel utilizing resized 300 H&H Magnum brass.
Good job Ron, had me going for a moment there, as I’m a 7 Rem Mag guy. Just put a Bushnell Banner 6x18 on my Model 670 Winchester for some power line hunting.
Take care,
Me
Ok random question I got a Browning A bolt 270 I got a box of 156 gr sako bullets. They should stabilize right??
Fun video again Ron. For many reasons the 8mm/32 cal has never caught on, in America. 8mm RM done and dusted, 325 Short Fat was a flash in the pan, probably the 32 Special was the most popular and that has gathered dust for years. 32s and 35s just don't gain traction. The 25s are getting that way too.
Ron, a key part is missing in this video. Where the heck is Covey? 😁
I didn't want Covey sneaking it and giving away the 8mm RM answer.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors lolololololol, come on man I can tell Covey is trustworthy. As long as the biscuits keep coming his way.
Lots of K98s were rechambered to 8mm.'06 when they were brought back.
@@georgesakellaropoulos8162 yes they were. And a lot stayed as 8x57. But since 8mm-06 was never a factor round and 8x57 ammo is difficult to find, that shows that the 8mm/32 has yet to gain much traction in America. I don't think it will in the future, either.
America has always been a straight .30 cal country. Although in todays world thanks to the ar15 we've become more of a .224 and 6.5 cal country thanks to the creedmoor. But .308 and .3006 still hold high for many.
I got it, and yes it's a shoulder killer! back around 1990, I had a fellow ask me to load a lighter load for him as he couldn't handle the recoil and he was a huge man Broad-shouldered all muscle but the recoil was such that he flinched every time he touched off a round. We changed the powder to IMR 4831 around 50 gns and pared down the bullet to something around 165 gn bullet. The recoil if memory served, was cut in half.
And yet I know 115-pound women who shoot 338 Win. Mag. as their light rifle, 458 Win. Mag. when something heavier needed. Convinced recoil is more perceived than real, but depends on stock design to significant degree.
Model 8 Remington design by John Moses Browning. Came in a 32 caliber. Rimless ammo made for the auto loader was in 25,30,32, and 35. 35 Remington is the only one they still make. I have one in 32 Remington and it’s hard to find ammo.
It's an amazing cartridge. 8mm Mauser is also great. But in spite of massive availability of 8mm Mauser surplus rifles, that diameter just ever caught on. New high end Mauser rifles are still chambered for the old warbird.
Yes, I cover the 8mm Mauser in my 8mm Rem. Mag. video on RSOTV.com. Remarkable cartridge for its size.
I bought a Portuguese Mauser from 1908 for $200 once. It came "with ammunition" listed in the sale. On pickup, I was walking out with the rifle when the clerk mentioned I'd better take the ammo. I turned to see him with two full shopping bags of milsurp!
Best $200 I ever spent.
Many years ago, I flipped a coin to choose between the 8 MM Rem Mag and a 375 H&H Mag.
I came home with a Rem 700 Classic (1996) 375 H&H Mag...
Very worried as I haven't seen 35 Rem 200 RN on the shelves in almost 3 years. The Marlin 336 was my favorite woods rifle for a long time.
Great show and thanks again for the info Ron 👍👍👍👍👍
Before Winchester developed the 325WSM, I developed an 8mm magnum on an Improved 7mm Dakots case. I named it "8mm Elkhamr." It's an Incredible cartridge, fits in an 06 length action and will push 200gr Accubonds over 3125fps. It's a pretty flat shooting thumper! The downside is recoil. It's a fast, sharp, grenade in the armpit type of recoil. I do not have a muzzle brake installed on the rifle either. The rifle is built on a custom Rem 721 action, Stainless 26" match grade magnum contour barrel, Bell and Carlson stock. It's a fine shooting rifle.
Sounds like a good wildcat, Steve.
So I just bought a Remington 700 chambered in 8mm mag and no wonder I can’t find bullets for it. Did I screw up by buying this rifle? Is Remington not making this anymore?
I have 2. Getting one re-barreled. And Woodleigh from Australia makes 250 grain projectiles for it.
I have a 32 remington model 26. Can't find ammo anywhere. Have to make it from 30 remington which hard to find too. I also have a Winchester 94 in 32 winchester special. The 32 winchester dies also load the 32 remington. 32 remington was made for 2 rifles. The 26 pump action and a semi auto version. The semi used pointed bullets while the slide action used round nose like the 32 winchester special.
Ron says you might pick one up cheap. Yeah, right! The market for used 8 Rem Mags is off the chart! I bought one in March 1978 and still have it. I have taken black bear, whitetails, and hundreds of woodchucks with it. Yes, it is definitely overkill for woodchucks. But they are a great way to get some trigger time in with whatever rifle you want to hunt with. Would I buy it again? Probably. Especially if I were in my early 20's again.
Thanks for the history , used the cases to make the 7 stw . Please consider doing an episode on the 6x45 a great little cartridge.
Thanks for this fascinating look at an obscure cartridge.
i have never heard of at least half of them. I have so much to learn .
I'm trying to figure out the same thing as to why S&W just came out with a new 10mm pistol? I haven't seen a lot of support in making 10mm ammo readily available. Is there something that I don't know? Help me out Ron.
I got a Remington 8mm magnum back when they fist when they first came out , but found it was a bit too much recoil for me, so I had it Mag-Na -Ported", I Ioved it!
Col Charles Askins liked the 8mm Rem very much also, he was a huge 8mm fan,and had several different ones, a 8x68S and a 8mm-404 .
Have one in a 700, figured the pick would be a belted case. My first guess was the 350MAG. Bought the 8mm to hunt moose or elk, has work just fine every time it was used on game. Tamed the recoil with a HS Precision stock. Will most likely pass it on to a to a family member when I can't take the gun for a walk.
8mm Rem Mag excellent accurate and powerful when loaded with IMR 7828. 220 gr. Sierra BT at 3075 fps. Once shot a 2 shot 2 in. group at 600 yards. Factory Model 700 with 3x9 Leopold.
I wished I was watching when this first came up. I knew right away it was the 8MM. When I got my beloved 7MMSTW I studied all about the 8MM with that being used as the parent case. It is weird to me that the 8mm isn’t more popular. It falls perfect between the .30 and .338. However there isn’t much between the .338 and .375’s either.
No need for it.
I think the 8mm Rem Mag is super cool. I legitimately didn't know that Remington was still making ammo for it. I don't think I've ever seen a box on sale.
@@Chilly_Billy after 40 S&W came out the consensus was “no need for a 10mm”. The fans kept it alive and look at 10mm now. I’m not saying the 8Mag can or will be the Phoenix that the 10mm is. But maybe there are enough fans to keep it alive. Like 41 Mag
@@robertfree1908 agreed. The 10mm is more popular than ever, while the .40 is dying a slow death. I have never liked the .40 - why settle for the detuned version of the real deal?
@@highplainsdrifter9631 the 40 may die away. I’ve never liked it as much as the 10mm. But I do like the 40 for what it does: fit in 9mm sized autos. I believe the 40(357 SIG & 9mm as well. They just give users more options. Say a heavy bullet in 40 for instance if that’s what they want). It also has good ballistics. Honestly I don’t believe it was ever meant to replace the 10. It was meant for what the 9mm is heralded for today[as it always has really]: performance with lower, manageable recoil. Hate to be long winded. Just felt it should be said. ALL of our cartridges are great cartridges but for different platforms and uses. Take the new 30 Super Carry; though I don’t think it was intended for this but I think it would be great for a low recoiling target auto target round. Your thoughts?
Glad to hear about the new cartridge coming,,,,,the 360 Remington !!!!
I own an 8mm Rem. For hunting it is fantastic. For the big stuff it is every bit as good as and better than many inits power category. If the component manufacturers wound have made better bullets it may have done better.
The 8 mag is great. Hits hard and feeds slick! I may need one!
My dad had, and I still have his 700 BDL 8mm Remington magnum. It has stout recoil and it is extremely lethal out to 500 yards, and beyond. I honestly believe that if there were more bullet options it would’ve rose more in popularity because it is a flat shooting big magnum that will take anything in North America and African plains game no problem.
I think it was one of three. 7stw, and 416 as well as the 8 mag. Which I have one of, plus an extra barrel and a ton of unfired brass and 416 brass as well. Even chambered a 338 win rem 700 to 338x 8 mag, best big cartridge I have 250’s over 3000 and accurate.
Got a 8mm rem mag in a 700 classic love the rifle . Nosler was loading and making brass for it before pandemic. Only thing I own harder to find ammo for is my 350 rem magnum.
You're right. I have never heard of it. Though, being from the Midwest, and never getting to hunt outside of the region, I have never heard of a lot of cartridges. Ballistic history certainly is interesting.
I've heard of the 8mm Remington Magnum, but never knew anybody who even had one. I have a Remington 700 Classic chambered in .17 Remington and a Remington 700 BDL chambered in .280 Remington, and I handload both (just like all of my other centerfire rounds.) Love both of those rounds. The .17 Remington has killed a ton of varmints, and the .280 has killed a good number of deer and big game as well throughout the years. Awesome video as always, Ron!
I have and love my 8mm Rem Mag, I just wish I could get a better bullet for it, it was the first ultra mag before ultra mags became popular
As soon as you said 150-220gr I screamed 8mm rem mag. MY ABSOLUTE FAVORITE ELK CARTRIDGE!
Good one Ron!
Hey Ron: I know you're a quarter-bore fan, and an -06 fan, but if you were to design a quarterbore short-action in bolt and gas guns, what would you design?
25-creedmoor using a hybrid 277 Fury style case?
A 25-western?
Something in-between?
Probably 308 Win. necked down, shoulder at 30-degrees, long throat, 1-7.5 twist.
It’s an incredible round. This would stop ANYTHING legal to use or not. I never had one but like the .280 REM the performance Shute is impressive.
Good old chambering but you detailed is shortcomings quite well. Thank you
Very welcome
In your opinion, does a .308 Ruger Scout Rifle Bolt-Action make since these days? I want one rifle that will do everything and a caliber that will be around for the next 20-30 years. Thanks for any insight.
That'll be around.
Mine is a first year production bdl. I shoots a 200g Accubond just under 3k, it is a thumper and I wouldn't get rid of it. Mine is muzzle braked, call it Louten Frua for fun.
I knew a number of people who these. Considerably less popular than the 338 win mag. Which is a great cartridge. Since the 338 is shorter,it,in my opinion is superior
Great stuff Ron, looking forward to the podcast!
I only found out about this cartridge last year. I was @ a gun show in Duncan, BC & a guy at a counter has a Remington 700 & when I asked what caliber it was chambered in, he said “8mm Remington Magnum” and I was like “what”? I googled it & I realized I never heard this cartridge, but when i found out, I was in love. I’ve been dying to get my hands on an 8mm Rem Mag since (hopefully in a Winchester 70).
Thanks for your videos buddy….
I'm pretty sure the 7mm STW that uses the 8 Rem Mag as a parent case is actually more popular than it's parent case. And let's face, people aren't exactly beating down the doors of their local gun shop to get their hands on a 7 STW.
No maybe not but I bought one of them and yes I have some 8 mag brass that I've necked down and shot already works just fine.
I thought sure you were going to say the .350 Rem Mag. I’m sure it’s hot on the tail of the 8mm. I have a .350, and I like it a lot. But I’ve stocked up on brass, anticipating it’s demise.
Smart man! Me too!
I've been trying to get some brass for my 350 rem mag. Got lucky last year at a gun show and got 100 unfired Remington brass. Started to load for it using them and some I had from factory ammo and love this cartridge.
@@garretttippett-patterson4767 I also love the .350 Rem Magnum. I load 200 gr. Barnes TSX bullets and use TAC powder. I get around 2800- 2850 fps out of a 22" brl. Look in the Barnes #4 manual. I don't even load the maximum load.
My initial guess was that too.
I was afraid it was the 25-06 until you mentioned the bullet weight and recoil!
"KEEP ON KEEPIN ON"!
No they're not going to get rid of that 25-06 that's too good of a gun I actually thought it was going to be the 222 not because it's bad round or anything but mainly because there's so many out there that outdo it
Loved this video, would also really like to see one about the 416 Remington magnum, maybe compared to the 416 Rigby or 375 H&H
I may have misunderstood you at the 06:54 mark when you stated that the 8mm was the only .32 caliber under the Remington name. Apologies if I am wrong but the Remington semiauto model 8 and 81 Woodsmasters and the Remington pump model 14 and 141 Gamemasters as well as the Remington model 30 bolt action all came in the 32 Remington developed in 1906 and also known as the 32 Remington Rimmed or 32 Remington Auto loading. Before everybody breaks out torches and pitchforks, Yes 8mm Remington Magnum is an actual .323 and the 32 Remington is a .321 but I respectfully believe they are both 32 Cal’s
The 8mm just doesn't have the support for component bullets. I have some big 220 gr bullets on the shelf for it if I ever got one. Those probably wont get used.
ER Shaw will make you a 8mm Remington magnum and you will have to roll your own or go with a custom reloader outfit. Great caliber for big thin skinned critters.
This was fun to watch, I wonder if Rem. remarketed this cartridge as the “8mm RM” if it would improve sales? Perhaps they don’t want to cut into their 7mm RM sales. They have that history with the 7 SAUM (which I hand load for,) only offering it with a 22” barrel. I have it in a 25” barrel in my Tang Safety 77 short-action that isn’t any longer overall than a 7 RM with a 24” barrel, and it has similar performance- With less powder and recoil!
Love the 8mm Remington.
In 1906 Remington came out with the 32 Remington for the model 8 and could get it in a model 14 which I have and some other models.But the 32 remington had a bullet diameter is a . 321
they made a 32 remington but it is long gone now and is hard to find reloading supply for them 170 grn bullet with IMR 4320 powder
Sure do enjoy your show Ron thanks!
Thanks for watching
This would make a great drinking game.😂
I was guessing 7 RSAUM before the grain bullet comment. Have one and love it. Life became easier after we started loading cartridges.
Another fantastic video. Thanks again Ron.
Glad you enjoyed it
Remington did make another 32 caliber cartridge in the early 1900s. The 32 Remington, although I believe it used a .321 bullet.