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you missed the 243 and 7mm-08. the 7mm-08 might go through and im curious about the 243 cause a lot of people hunt deer with them. i also know people who have killed black bears with 243
It's not always about penetrating the plate with larger calibers. It's about the immense pressure generated to break ribs and devastate organs. Even though it did not breach the plate. The massive power the plate endured is transfered to the person wearing it causing massive bone and organ damage.
@@lastofthebest5102 You mean halfwits like those who don't notice him saying "the plate stopped the bullet, but you'd have felt that!" or like those who need it explicitly pointing out to them that your torso being displaced by eight inches is going to do damage?
The back-face deformation from those larger rounds, especially the .338, would be lethal. The round may have stopped but your ribs would be shattered and internal organs heavily damaged
Just about all of the cartridges used have a good chance of killing you. The animal studies I've seen say that 40mm (1.5") of backface deformation is a death sentence. Even 1" is something you may not survive (survival rate of 25%). Behind the Armor Blunt Trauma (BABT) is no joke. You're probably still dead, you're just dying slowly instead of quickly.
That 338 Lapua was a good demonstration. The energy transfer can be enough to stop your heart. Body armor is like a seat belt, it will do its job but that doesn’t mean you’ll live. Those plates are designed to stop a bullet not to ensure you walk away. There’s a difference.
A good idea for a video like this I think would be a WW2 Video, things like a Lee Enfield, M1, K98, Mosin, Arisaka, Swiss K31. things like that. And those older rounds that were very powerful for there times, rounds like .303 being used as a Antiaircraft round for years on bombers, and early spitfires. And there are AP-I .303 rounds out there too. For extra spice.
None are going to get through. All of these rounds are in the same class as .30-06 or a bit less powerful. We just saw that plate stop .300 Win Mag and .338 Lapua.
So… I got tossed off of my motorcycle at 85mph in August this year and as a person who broke 11 ribs, 4 vertebrae, a collar bone and an ankle, I have to say I’d do that twice over versus taking any of those rounds to the chest with armor on haha just looks awful 🤣 Also, thank you for your content Scott, you and the other guntubers have been making my recovery easier to handle!!!
Good luck with your recovery man! I also did some very similar injuries to myself on a motorcycle accident on June 2020. I'm never going to walk again either without some sort of ground breaking research and potential surgery. But life is still good and there's a lot that we learn about ourselves and our friends and family while in recovery. Best of luck to you! And Do that physical therapy!
Oh my goodness, I’m so sorry to hear that brother, I really hope you’re doing well, I can’t imagine how you feel with something so life changing. My heart goes out to you and I wish you the best along with hoping they find better ways to repair the damage with minimal intrusion. I’m glad you’re alive be brother!
@@nicksmith4462 is a roller coaster but life is full of beauty and sometimes ya gotta sit down and enjoy what you see around ya. There's tons of simple pleasures in life that anyone can take part in regardless of injury. The most inspirational people I've ever met in my life came from that crash. So I'll take from their attitude and party on! We're all in it together brother.
That really is crazy impressive. I used to develop military rounds for a manufacture. When we worked on the 338, regular civilian rounds destroyed a surprising number of armors, but when we finished with the tungsten medal penetrator round not much stood in it’s way. The velocity on that round is more than you think, it actually scared me on what it went through. It took true military targets to stand up to it, we hit a very heavily armored car and it went through easily.
Hey Scott you’re a huge influence on my life you have helped me through the worst and best of times so happy you survived and are able to do what you love 🤘🏻
When I was working for a specific PMC in 08 we had a two man designated defensive marksman element that praised the .338 Lapua for its accuracy and stopping power. Having seen the effects the round can have on enemy combatants, I’m absolutely blown away that the plates sufficiently stopped the round regardless if your center mass would be jelly afterwards 😂
@@robertlorimer843 While I doubt that it would make any difference, wearing one of these without the regular level III+ ballistic vest underneath seems foolish. Also, Hollow Points, & Ballistic Tips are designed to absorb enough energy to deform enough to double in size, thereby increasing the size of the permanent wound cavity. Full Metal Jackets are designed to punch holes in things & people. So if you're going to shoot at body armor in order to see what punches through, use FMJ. Also, try using 7.92×57mm Mauser, and its little brother the 7×57mm Mauser (preferably with FMJ rounds) on you're next vest test. Some of the 1942 dated Turkish 7.92×57mm Mauser runs a little HOT though.
@@earlwyss520 you miss the point of this video... it wasnt about penetrating the vest, it was about how it holds up with HUNTING ammo and you use SP or HP rounds for hunting not FMJs
@@ManOnTheRange True, for most folks, but I did see a guy go deer hunting with a .30-06 Remington Pump loaded with FMJ. You should have seen the damage done to that poor doe, half of her right shoulder was gone.
Even if the round didn't penetrate the plate (which is pretty amazing, given the horsepower of some of those cartridges at that range) that amount of deformation of the plate might have been fatal regardless. You don't have to depress the chest wall all that far to potentially damage the lungs, heart and major blood vessels. Even a microscopic tear of a cardiac vessel can be fatal in minutes, if not seconds. You can even induce a fatal heart dysrythmia with just a sufficient impact to the sternum. Yeah, its a helluva lot better than taking the round unimpeded, but it might have been fatal anyways. A very very interesting video in any case!
Not to mention the spalling effect from broken ribs, a shattered sternum. All those little bone fragments would do a helluva job slicing up the lungs, heart etc..
That .270 is a rough one. Got shot in the spine with one when I was 11 in a hunting accident. Wasn't supposed to live over night or ever walk again but I beat all odds.
@@Riv_Dyl97 😂😂 thanks. Unfortunately the holes were a bit too big for a thumb. Needed 1 hand for the entrance and it would have taken 2 to cover the exit 😬. I got called a walking miracle by every nurse at Elvis Presley trauma and Le Bonheur Children's hospital 😂
@@ghoulbuster1 😂 nah still here. Lucky for me it was a big shot. I was close enough it cauterized everything when it went through and that literally saved my life. That and amazing surgeon's, can't forget those guys.
The factors that produce penetration in a hard barrier are hardness of the bullet, velocity of the bullet, shape of the bullet tip, and sectional density in that order.
Don't forget the resistance behind it a problem I have a lot of these ballistic test is the plate gets knocked clean over meeting a lot of the energy is actually lost but when you see these plates put up against the weighted dummy you see different penetration and impact characteristics
Really, really surprised by the performance of those armor plates! Food for thought. My favorite deer rifle caliber has always been the 30-06. But I remember fondly a .348 Winchester lever action I had a short affair with. Loved it, but eventually lost it in a trade for a couple of Ruger revolvers. And then, I loved them. That's how it goes.
To be fair... you dodged a bullet (no pun intended). .348 is kinda hard to find, at least for me here in FL. As much as I like the weird cartridges, in this market, it’s best to stick to the more common stuff
Same here. I 've got the Ruger Axis bolt action with a custom made 10 shot magazine to include. Looks like a BAR with that extended mag. 180 grain JHP in 30_06 that should do some real punishment with a double tap shot to the plate.
It doesn’t matter if the plate stops the bullet if the backface deformation punches through your body and dumps all that energy in it. You’ll still be toast. 😳
@@steveb6103 that's nothing I got 3 out of season with a kenworth t680 I'm not sure which were buck or does Because I couldn't really tell afterward and I left the meat on the highway for obvious reasons.
5:41: "At this point in your life you should be questioning, "What did you do to make all these deer hunters so mad..." 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I almost fell off my couch laughing! 🤣🤣
Thanks for this demo. I shoot .300 Win Mag. Your experiment confirms my experience. At 250 yards, itis far more than what is needed for 240 lb. Muleys. Judging by the deformation of the plate, one would be in very bad shape after the impact, especially at such close range. Again, thanks for this demo.
@@mikeslaney3885 How is it overkill? I've only shot two animals with mine so far (170 pound boar hog and a nilgai antelope), with two different kinds of ammo - both shots made pencil holes in them, entrance and exit. I honestly expected a mess lol
So glad to see you’re back in the swing of things. Your faith is absolutely amazing and is no doubt what has kept you around to keep making videos for all of us. Keep up the good work dude!
Easily lethal, any round from .308 and up is going to leave you with some serious internal shock, and probably death if you can't undergo immediate surgery, since there's pretty much nothing that can be done in the field to stop major internal bleeding and organ failure
The slo-mo camera is pretty nifty. We need to see some slow-mo flintlock action. Because they are pretty slow on the ignition process anyway and seeing it in full smoking cinematic glory would be sweet. Why did we not shoot the body armor with the venerable 375 H&H ? 😢 that would be interesting too with soft points and solids to see the difference 😃
“Stopped a .338 lapua magnum FMJ” should be on the package from now on and also I suggest a 7mm magnum. Tiny projectile with a ton of powder behind it. Might defeat body armor
A lot of plates will stop a 338, but as the video shows, the back face deformation would likely be fatal to the wearer. That’s a very important part of plate performance.
The armour plate after being shot multiple times and put back together with duct tape: Please boss im so tired, let me rest. Scott coming back with even more duct tape: *YOU CAN REST WHEN I SAY YOU CAN REST.*
I saw the title to this video and knew right off I had to make a comment. I'm 83 and had to give up deer hunting several years ago for health reasons. I'm happy that I was able to bag numerous whitetails before they started wearing body armor.
I’ve worn plates like that. Interesting to see what happens when they get shot. I wish there was a way to measure the energy transfer from the back of the plate to the gelatin block. Several of those shots look lethal anyway.
@@schrodingersmechanic7622 that’s my understanding of it. It’s also my understanding that ‘taking a shot’ will keep you alive, but you probably won’t be standing around, like the dummies, to be shot again. One is a debilitating injury, with rifle calibers, and some pistols.
@@Foxtrap731 Once he got to the 30-06 round, any hit from that or above caliber, would have broken ribs and started damaging organs. Despite the plates ability to stop the round. Test one of those plates with it taped to a watermelon, then place it against clay, if the watermelon survives then you likely would, if it doesn't.....well.....I'll let your imagination run with that one.
Yeah I was thinking just because It penetrate doesn’t mean it wasn’t like getting smashed in the chest with a sledgehammer…which would still be incapacitating and possibly fatal
The roll of rope just unwinding and then the table taking off so hard it almost snapped in half was cartoon level of hilarious! I love your stuff Scott! Keep it coming lad!
I pulled some M2/AP black tip from .30/06 and loaded it into .30-30, .308 and .300 WinMag brass so I'd have data cards and ammo stocks in those calibers for my bolt guns for SHTF purposes. The AP push-pull did about as well as the issue rounds will do out of a bolt gun and a Garand; not impressively accurate but serviceable. I'm getting set to duplicate that with some AP .303" pulls in .303 Brit and 7.62X54R for an SMLE and a Mosin.
@@ATruckCampbell Regarding strictly ballistics with no discussion of the pros/cons of either platform - They came into service at almost the same time, so they shared a lot of characteristics. You can consider them as triplets with the .30-40 Krag. With the same barrel length and bullet weight, the 7.62X54R will give you about 200 f/s more than the Brit. Like Paul Harrell says, not enough of a difference to make a difference. I own and hunt with both, and despite the slight velocity difference, I can't see any advantage to either one on deer, hogs, nor coyotes. They are both good performers, and both respond to basic accurizing. They're both capable of performance almost on a par with the .308 and .30-06. Pick one by determining which one has the handling attributes that you like in a rifle. Remember that they both (nominally) take the .311" diameter bullets, except for the Mosins rebarreled in Finland which need the .308" slugs. Have your barrel slugged regardless prior to handloading for them.
Not surprised that it wasn't there, but a little sad. It's still my favorite round, and the most common round in my area because of dense brush. Doesn't do any good to have a gun that can reach out to 1000 yards when you can't see more than 30, and the brush will deflect your pointy bullet.
I prefer my 30-06,but I hear you. Just remember,the 45-70 Government and the 30-06 were meant to be man killers.It's what they were designed for,not hunting Bambi's mom.
Be real interesting to see how "lead free" rounds in those calibers would fare. They're all harder than lead. I believe I remember Taofledermaus testing a .270 lead free on some plates and getting through. Might have just been 3 or 3a plates tho.
It's one of those things where I appreciate the information more than I do him but it's glad to see somebody enjoying themselves it's just unfortunate I have to sit through it. All being said, the information is helpful
that ballistic armor is amazing. The only thing I'm concerned about surviving the impact on the armor. But those deer won't be thinking about attacking you with any of those rifles.
thought the same thing. I wonder at what point it would cause less damage to not wear armor at all lol because i don't think one's surviving either way
Pretty sure it would knock you on your butt, maybe crack a few ribs.. But, you'd probably live. Also, in a hostile situation, unlikely your assailant would be shooting this much power. Most likely 9MM or .556.
@@noz182 I honestly think if you got hit by the biggest caliber he fired With this armor on you’d probably get a few broken bones and internal bleeding or something
I feel like even though the armor stops the bullet, you'd still end up with severe internal bleeding and possibly ruptured organs based on where you got hit.
Oh yeah. Demo ranch did a video with a realistic balistic torso. The 308 broke the sternum free from the ribs. The 30-06 lacerated the liver if I remember correctly.
@@Taylormade1717 I think that it would spread the force out over a larger area, but you'd still be in a world of hurt. At the bare minimum you would be laid out on the ground desperately trying to take a breath, as ALL of the air in your lungs would have been driven out via the force of the hit. I tripped while running to the base armory at RAF Upper Heyford and fell chest first into the pavement. I was wearing my FLAK vest, and drove all of the air out of my lungs. I got up, and walked into the armory area, all the time gasping & trying to take a breath. I sat down against the wall, when I started to get dizzy, and the world gray out. I eventually caught a small breath and after some hacking and coughing returned to normal breathing. Granted this WAS NOT a gun shot, but it gave me an idea of what it may be like.
@Robert Tucker It would definitely stop a 45-70 round but the fact that it stopped all these other rounds doesn't mean anything because the energy behind most cities rounds you would kind of wish you were dead You're going to have massive internal bleeding etc broken bones you'd be a mess.
For those who are curious if you're hunting rifle is making contact with their armor you have several and I mean several seconds to run up on them and do what you need to do they will be suffering from broken ribs and hemorrhages from the round hitting so don't worry about the round going through the armor as long as you make contact with it
@@jmmartin7766 not in a real situation, those tangos will be surrounding you. Especially if they aren't Indian or afghanies, so x amount of shots ain't gonna happen.
I'm very happy to see someone finally shooting 30/06 rifles would be even better if you had used Winchester Ballistic Silvertip ammo. Yes it's only 168 grain, but I'm curious as to how well the body armor plates stand up to that type of ammo.
The bullet construction of the silvertip is similar to the round he used.. both expanding , polymer tipped rounds.. the results wouldnt have changed. Velocity actually works against thise rounds vs body armor.. because the violence of the impact rips them apart..
@@jarrettm3728 He's specifically using lead rounds, hollow points and ballistic tips because hunters dont use fmj's. With hunting you want to maximize damage and kinetic energy transfer, preferably the round stopping in the target or dumping most of its energy inside the target before exiting.
It would be interesting to see this with light for caliber bullets. I've always heard that velocity is what defeats this type of armor. That's how I tend to load my deer cartridges, light bullets at ridiculous velocities. Roy Weatherby was on to something with his theory that velocity kills. I've come to prefer light copper bullets at high speed. My new favorite inside 300 yards is the Barnes 130 ttsx in my 308 at around 3100fps. Aim for the shoulder and they fall where they stand.
The normal kinetic method to defeat armor is velocity of the projectile and hardness of the projectile. Even if you use the lightest possible bullet for caliber, if it’s lead or copper it’s likely not hard enough to pierce into armor. Brass however is much harder and may begin to pierce…. Hardened steel or tungsten is usually the core of an AP round. Some AP rounds are a solid hunk or steel with a copper jacket and others are a copper jacketed lead slug with a hardened steel or tungsten penetrator in the middle. Upon striking armor the outer lead and copper will splatter and peel away but the core will continue into and possibly through the armor. The new M855A1 5.56 round uses no lead. It has a hardened core which I believe is tungsten and protrudes out of the slug forming the point and core of the round. The rest around that is copper I believe. The theory being that if it hits a soft, non armored target the hardened tip will smash rearwards into the copper part and begin to tumble or expand. If it strikes armor however, the core should pierce in and strip away the softer copper outer as it passes into/ through the armor. You’re not wrong about velocity defeating armor, but if you don’t change the projectile to deal with the armor then they will often just destroy themselves due to all that velocity. That’s actually pretty favorable for soft target damage…. When that light Barnes bullet hits a deer it’s moving so fast that it begins to go end over end and break up, dumping energy and creating a nice, large wound channel that could go off in multiple directions as the projectile breaks up.
@@James-jg7kv if you're referring to the copper bullets not expanding, you'd be mistaken. They don't expand as well as lead at modest velocity, but they do indeed expand violently at hyper fast speeds I like to shoot them at. If you're long range hunting, they're not the best choice. I prefer them as they don't scatter lead throughout my venison and you can't see past 200 or 300 yards where I live anyway.
The problem with these plates, at least in my mind, is that they are too small. There is no way this plate can completely protect all of a person's vulnerable organs (lungs, heart, liver, kidneys).
They are designed to stop a center mass hit, which is what probably 99% of the world’s military are trained to aim for. Bigger plates mean more weight, it’s a real give and take. Light and fast or heavy and slow. Personally I want light and fast, but that’s just me. We were issued the interceptor armor, and I’ll tell you, the weight combined with the extreme heat of the desert takes a big toll on your body, especially once you add the rest of your gear.
@@txtpqb It's obviously a much more difficult target, both because the brain is a much smaller target than center mass, but also because the target's head is far more likely to be in motion, and to move more quickly, than other parts of the body. Of course no plate system can protect against a head shot. And any system designed to protect the brain bucket has to deal with a myriad of factors that don't come into play when protecting other parts of the body, like weight, not overly restricting visibility, heat, etc. etc.
Great to finally see rifle rounds most of us have and use rather than all military stuff or 50 BMG (which I do enjoy seeing also, but not all the time)
I was excited to see it as well. I adopted the 300 win mag as a utility round several years ago. Resizing the cases is the only issue with belted rounds but still a great round. Huge 308 fan too, but you see that more frequently.
@@oldplace2844 I've been handloading for 40 years now. Never had a single problem loading or sizing any belted round yet. I own a lot of them now and have had a lot more still over the years. There's far too much misinformation floating around the interweb about belted rounds and a lot of newer shooters and handloaders buy into it. Don't. Set your dies correctly for your rifle's chamber and you will never have a single issue either. :-)
@@randomidiot8142 That's exactly right and why all of a sudden having a belt on the case is so evil. The simple truth is- more guys need to learn to handload correctly.
@@404nitro and what about the claim of belts causing feeding issues or hanging up in magazines? Seems to be quite a few belted magnums in service against dangerous game..
Scott, It might have stopped that .338, but the impact would have stopped your heart. The purpose of body armor is to save your life, so even though it stopped the bullets, the blunt force trauma would most likely have been fatal. Still, that is some really tough body armor, to absorb all that energy. Great selection of rifles and ammo, by the way👍👍 hilarious how you snatched that table into next week…😂😂
Scott - can you get your hands on a rifle chambered in .375 H&H? Its my favorite round and its famous for penetration and its not been on your channel so far. Keep up the good work man!
There is a .375 Ruger, which is designed to be very close to .375 H&H magnum. I don't know what a .375 Ruger round costs, but the .375 H&H magnum is very expensive, as I'm sure you know. I would love either rifle, I'm not picky! 😁. The biggest I have is a 45-70, which he didn't test either.
Hahaha 😂 I absolutely love how hard that table gets ripped out of there like that! Also I appreciate you testing out 2 of my favorite calibers. 270 and the 338
Person wearing one of those plates getting hit by a rifle round says, "Do you have ANY idea how much that stings." (MIB 2 reference) Those last rifle rounds, they had a lot of kick to them, and the body armor stood up to it. Very impressive.
Next test idea: plate carrier with those plates, strapped on one of the gel torsos that Garand Thumb uses, so we can see what kind of rib and organ damage occurs from the impact and deformation of the plate. Bonus points if it's a crossover/collaboration video 😁
Here is a video that is close to what you are looking for. Same plate, he is also using pistols and a shotgun and a couple of rifles. th-cam.com/video/pRRr-DGmg-o/w-d-xo.html
You have a very good suggestion. We should probably see if there is a trauma surgeon who would collaborate more closely. We need somebody who's educated on these matters not just opinionated.
The ballistics dummy although good at mimicking body tissue against bullets sucks for other weapons think about it like knives and maces My point is the belly absorbs way to much force to see how the ribs would hold up And the only way to see how it would actually fair would be a meat target similar to what Paul harrel (I think that’s how it’s spelled) uses
Although the body armor may have stopped the round from penetrating through, you have to understand the energy transfer still continues. Looking at the protruding back side of the armor after each round that will break ribs, cause internal bleeding and damage to your organs. So yes you may survive the initial shot, your going to bleed to death before you make it out of the woods.
I was surprised he didn't use a .30-30 Winchester. That's a very common deer hunting round. I would loved to see a .45-90 out there. Not because I think it could penatrate the body armor, I just like those old lever action rifles
The 270 Winchester is normally used for medium game that is true, however if you're not careful with your shot placement and ammunition selection you're going to get a lot of meat that's destroyed. It's more suited for larger game like mule deer elk or moose. Especially the more powerful ones like the 270 WSM or the 270 Weatherby.
Depends on bullet selection 130 grain 270 works just great on whitetails 150 grain is more for mule deer or elk I wouldn't recommend it for moose. It can work but you'd have to fiddle around with you hand loads to get more reliable results or get those new nossler 165 grain bullets.
People always say the larger calibers destroy more meat. I guess I don't understand that argument. I have shot a lot of deer with a .243 and a 7mm mag. The only difference is the size of the exit hole through the ribs on the back side, assuming you get a pass through with a .243. Either way, not like there is much meat between deer ribs.
We used a 7mm Remington magnum on Mule Deer. Blew the top off the heart, but didn't exit the rib cage. No exit wound, just shrapnel inside the ribcage.
I HAVE to mention something I saw recently... In the Q&A section for a shotgun, someone asked if it could shoot slugs. Another replied: "yes it can shoot slugs but watch out for the snails they have body armor" : )
Does it really matter if the round is or isn’t jacketed by armor when it enters your chest? Even the side blowouts looked like they would cause amputations.
The sheer impact would put a fist size hole in you even if the bullet was stopped. It would be like getting kicked in the bear chest by a mule. It would still stop your heart just from the impact.
I use a .243 for deer hunting but still enjoyed this video very much. Very impressed with how the armor held up with all those hits. The trauma to the body would definatly be severe for some of those calibers for sure.
With ammo availability being so poor, you could have tested the .338 Lapua and simply stated; "If the plate stops this cartridge, there is no reason to test anything else"
I bet my 257 wby could make it through with a 80gr copper bullet going 3800. If not then my 28 Nosler with a 100 gr going around 4000 fps. Speed and bullet construction kills body armor and nothing he shot was going faster than 3000 fps.
You pretty much nailed it. 🙂 But you didn't bring the most evil little hunting round there is: The .243. It's fast, has a small suface area, but enough weight to punch through suprisingly thick steel!
I see a lot of videos of people testing body armor, but you never hear about back face deformation. The FBI is of the opinion that 2 inches or more of B.F.D. can still inflict a fatal wound even though the armor stopped the bullet. By the way, I used to manufacture bullet resistant glass. And the most important component was the spall shield on the innermost layer to contain shards glass.
What I got from that; 6.5 creedmoor did about has good as any other short of the 300 mag, no need to go bigger for deer. We can all agree there is no whitetail that requires a 300 Win Mag. Would like to see a .243
i definately wouldnt say the 6.5 is "about as good as the 300wm"... although for practical hunting ranges if you dont live in elk/moose country i dont think theres any question the 6.5cm is enough.
Have been using a .243 for 16 years, no deer has gone more than 40 ft after first shot, 90% of them 10ft or less. Shot placement helps a lot too. Also, using Remington core lokt 100gr I have never found a piece of lead in any of my deer, ALWAYS through and through and minimal damage. Love that round
It would be interesting if you could have a medical expert explain what the trauma would be if a person had the plate on. Love seeing all the different calibers.
That's a pretty good idea. I'm sure even a medical doctor would have to just offer his or her best guess, but it would be interesting. Even though the .338 didn't make it through, I would think that it would still be fatal.
Nice body armor I was really impressed. The 338 was my favorite. Though the armor stopped the 338 I don’t think 🤔 the person wearing it would be getting up under their own power. Great video thank you.
@@carrisasteveinnes1596 .338 lapua magnum can be used for anti-material purposes but is mainly anti-personell due to the lack of kinetic energy compared to other anti-material rounds such as 14.5x114mm from a PTRD or PTRS
Having felt what it's like to get hit by a 9mm with a plate on, I couldn't imagine surviving some of these rounds even though they are "stopping" them.
A very odd deer round (and when I mention it you'll know that it's also quite a dated round too) is the triple deuce .222 remington! Back when my uncle was a teen (probably 13 or maybe 12 at least) got his first deer with a .222! It's a fun round and I'm a big fan!
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you missed the 243 and 7mm-08. the 7mm-08 might go through and im curious about the 243 cause a lot of people hunt deer with them. i also know people who have killed black bears with 243
At a certain point, the question isn't "will this armor stop that bullet," but more like "will I survive the massive internal hemmorhaging afterwards"
thats what im over here thinking. sure. the bullet was stopped. how far in has your chest been caved by that same vest?
@applepie1911e more than likely you won't. That 338 litteraly will cause massive internal bleeding and extreme damage to major organs in your body.
@The IT Guy Probably none to very little. With that round just much you can do.
How many broken ribs?😉
@@ikecarlson6732 It depends. But either way it is still going to hurt bad.
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I always enjoy your videos Scott they're so darn funny and always make me smile.
Love your stuff man keep up the great work!
We appreciate you Scott! Glad to see you're bigger and happier than ever
And I appreciate the awesome videos. I'm glad to see you happy and healthy.
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*nails it like a champ*
Lol he was maybe 10 yards away.
*5th take. Editing is everything.
It's not always about penetrating the plate with larger calibers. It's about the immense pressure generated to break ribs and devastate organs. Even though it did not breach the plate. The massive power the plate endured is transfered to the person wearing it causing massive bone and organ damage.
That’s why you wear layers in between, if you have them that is
Apparently transferred force is a concept lost on him and his half wit audience.
There's also the little caveat that most good deer hunters could just nail you in the head.
@@lastofthebest5102 You mean halfwits like those who don't notice him saying "the plate stopped the bullet, but you'd have felt that!" or like those who need it explicitly pointing out to them that your torso being displaced by eight inches is going to do damage?
@@WJS774homie thinks he’s smart or something
SURVIVORS: sorry guys the only food we have left is eggplants
SCOTT: willingly holds his arm out for the zombies to bite! 😂
So would I. If eggplant is the only way to survive I ain't gonna!
He survived a .50. Do you think some measely zombie teeth will do the job of killing Scott? PSH!
For sale: Gently used lvl 4 body armor. Some assembly required.
No low ballers, I know what I've got.
Just send it back under warranty - they'll never notice.
I seriously come here almost more for the comments than the content... you folks are HILARIOUS!!!
Best comment on here 🤣🤣🤣
@@jmackinjersey1 every time
The back-face deformation from those larger rounds, especially the .338, would be lethal. The round may have stopped but your ribs would be shattered and internal organs heavily damaged
Just about all of the cartridges used have a good chance of killing you. The animal studies I've seen say that 40mm (1.5") of backface deformation is a death sentence. Even 1" is something you may not survive (survival rate of 25%).
Behind the Armor Blunt Trauma (BABT) is no joke. You're probably still dead, you're just dying slowly instead of quickly.
Right? It caught the bullet but your spleen was forcibly ejected through your nostrils so...
@@ganthrithor You'll live long enough to regret wearing plates.
@@ganthrithor LMFAOO!!!!
GOD but folks are hilarious here!!!
@@shaunolinger964 He broke my little arm
That 338 Lapua was a good demonstration. The energy transfer can be enough to stop your heart. Body armor is like a seat belt, it will do its job but that doesn’t mean you’ll live. Those plates are designed to stop a bullet not to ensure you walk away. There’s a difference.
Steel a stop that energy in my laymen mind
A good idea for a video like this I think would be a WW2 Video, things like a Lee Enfield, M1, K98, Mosin, Arisaka, Swiss K31. things like that. And those older rounds that were very powerful for there times, rounds like .303 being used as a Antiaircraft round for years on bombers, and early spitfires. And there are AP-I .303 rounds out there too. For extra spice.
I've seen videos of 8mm Mauser AP rounds piercing AR500 armor plates, would be a neat to see Scott shoot some of these classic calibers and rifles
Same here
I second this
I'd like this too, especially since I've heard a lot of those rifles are now used as hunting rifles.
None are going to get through. All of these rounds are in the same class as .30-06 or a bit less powerful. We just saw that plate stop .300 Win Mag and .338 Lapua.
So… I got tossed off of my motorcycle at 85mph in August this year and as a person who broke 11 ribs, 4 vertebrae, a collar bone and an ankle, I have to say I’d do that twice over versus taking any of those rounds to the chest with armor on haha just looks awful 🤣
Also, thank you for your content Scott, you and the other guntubers have been making my recovery easier to handle!!!
Jesus dude
Could have been much worse my friend haha
Good luck with your recovery man! I also did some very similar injuries to myself on a motorcycle accident on June 2020. I'm never going to walk again either without some sort of ground breaking research and potential surgery. But life is still good and there's a lot that we learn about ourselves and our friends and family while in recovery. Best of luck to you! And Do that physical therapy!
Oh my goodness, I’m so sorry to hear that brother, I really hope you’re doing well, I can’t imagine how you feel with something so life changing. My heart goes out to you and I wish you the best along with hoping they find better ways to repair the damage with minimal intrusion. I’m glad you’re alive be brother!
@@nicksmith4462 is a roller coaster but life is full of beauty and sometimes ya gotta sit down and enjoy what you see around ya. There's tons of simple pleasures in life that anyone can take part in regardless of injury. The most inspirational people I've ever met in my life came from that crash. So I'll take from their attitude and party on! We're all in it together brother.
Those slow mo shots r sick seeing the fragments of the bullet and plate flying through the air at slow speeds shows how violent it is
That really is crazy impressive. I used to develop military rounds for a manufacture. When we worked on the 338, regular civilian rounds destroyed a surprising number of armors, but when we finished with the tungsten medal penetrator round not much stood in it’s way. The velocity on that round is more than you think, it actually scared me on what it went through. It took true military targets to stand up to it, we hit a very heavily armored car and it went through easily.
Sounds like a dream job right there
Where do I sign up?
Hey Scott you’re a huge influence on my life you have helped me through the worst and best of times so happy you survived and are able to do what you love 🤘🏻
Your a really good woman, Kyle. Keep being the sweet heart you are.
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@@agentmueller
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Remember: Just because the vest stops the round, it doesn't mean you would survive.
The guy behind you is probably glad you had the vest.
I keep hearing about a 10 gauge slug pulling a vest through a fence post. Technically the vest stopped the slug.
@@randomidiot8142 The vest did indeed stop the round. Sadly, you are probably not able to stop *the vest.*
Still good to know that you will fail before the vest does.
@@RaptorJesus So you're going to need a vest proof vest for your bullet proof vest?
@@randomidiot8142 A 12 ga with a sabot will rip a vest off and screw it into a steel box at 30 paces. It screwed the vest 9 inches into the box.
When I was working for a specific PMC in 08 we had a two man designated defensive marksman element that praised the .338 Lapua for its accuracy and stopping power. Having seen the effects the round can have on enemy combatants, I’m absolutely blown away that the plates sufficiently stopped the round regardless if your center mass would be jelly afterwards 😂
I was thinking the same thing. Ones sternum would have to be in about 50 pieces by now lol
@@robertlorimer843 While I doubt that it would make any difference, wearing one of these without the regular level III+ ballistic vest underneath seems foolish.
Also, Hollow Points, & Ballistic Tips are designed to absorb enough energy to deform enough to double in size, thereby increasing the size of the permanent wound cavity. Full Metal Jackets are designed to punch holes in things & people. So if you're going to shoot at body armor in order to see what punches through, use FMJ.
Also, try using 7.92×57mm Mauser, and its little brother the 7×57mm Mauser (preferably with FMJ rounds) on you're next vest test. Some of the 1942 dated Turkish 7.92×57mm Mauser runs a little HOT though.
You might enjoy this then ( .50 cal ): th-cam.com/video/cxyJRGxWN0k/w-d-xo.html
@@earlwyss520 you miss the point of this video... it wasnt about penetrating the vest, it was about how it holds up with HUNTING ammo and you use SP or HP rounds for hunting not FMJs
@@ManOnTheRange True, for most folks, but I did see a guy go deer hunting with a .30-06 Remington Pump loaded with FMJ. You should have seen the damage done to that poor doe, half of her right shoulder was gone.
Even if the round didn't penetrate the plate (which is pretty amazing, given the horsepower of some of those cartridges at that range) that amount of deformation of the plate might have been fatal regardless. You don't have to depress the chest wall all that far to potentially damage the lungs, heart and major blood vessels. Even a microscopic tear of a cardiac vessel can be fatal in minutes, if not seconds. You can even induce a fatal heart dysrythmia with just a sufficient impact to the sternum. Yeah, its a helluva lot better than taking the round unimpeded, but it might have been fatal anyways. A very very interesting video in any case!
I mean liquefied insides from kinetic energy.
Mad true dude ☠
Not to mention the spalling effect from broken ribs, a shattered sternum. All those little bone fragments would do a helluva job slicing up the lungs, heart etc..
That's why trauma pads should be worn behind your armor... even then your getting the wind knocked out of ye
It’s a great day when both Matt and Scott post in the same day
True
Yes yes it is
That .270 is a rough one. Got shot in the spine with one when I was 11 in a hunting accident. Wasn't supposed to live over night or ever walk again but I beat all odds.
God bless you were able to make a full recovery!!
"Put a thumb in it"" ;)
p.s. .270 is best hunting rifle ;D
@@Riv_Dyl97 😂😂 thanks. Unfortunately the holes were a bit too big for a thumb. Needed 1 hand for the entrance and it would have taken 2 to cover the exit 😬. I got called a walking miracle by every nurse at Elvis Presley trauma and Le Bonheur Children's hospital 😂
You sure you aren't a zombie?
Damn that's a big shot!
@@ghoulbuster1 😂 nah still here. Lucky for me it was a big shot. I was close enough it cauterized everything when it went through and that literally saved my life. That and amazing surgeon's, can't forget those guys.
That's crazy. You're tougher than boiled owl.
Glad you made it!
KB: Shoots a deer with a lapua round
The Deer: [Cut to a shot of a plastic deer full of tannerite exploding]
Nah, now you know you screwed up, that was a plastic gotcha deer the police use for illegal hunters!
Lol, you know nothing about hunting.... 338 is a common hunting round, it don't explode deer or we wouldn't use it you half wits.
@@plotholedetective4166 if you need a 338LM to hunt deer you are doing something wrong
@@plotholedetective4166 I use it on Jack Roberts
@@brawlercustomperformance4394 What if they're reallllly far away? 😀
The factors that produce penetration in a hard barrier are hardness of the bullet, velocity of the bullet, shape of the bullet tip, and sectional density in that order.
Don't forget the resistance behind it a problem I have a lot of these ballistic test is the plate gets knocked clean over meeting a lot of the energy is actually lost but when you see these plates put up against the weighted dummy you see different penetration and impact characteristics
338 didn't make it through but you'd probably be better off if it had lol
For real, the blunt trauma would shatter everything 🤣
Doctor- dafuk you expect me to do I'm not Jesus should of just took the bullet sir.
Either way, your chest cavity is hamburger meat.
Just watching the ballistics gel, looks like a real bad day anyways
@@chrisgauthier669 .30-06 would as well
"we can't get your platoon a new load of body Armour. It's to expensive."
Scott:" hold my Table."
Really, really surprised by the performance of those armor plates! Food for thought. My favorite deer rifle caliber has always been the 30-06. But I remember fondly a .348 Winchester lever action I had a short affair with. Loved it, but eventually lost it in a trade for a couple of Ruger revolvers. And then, I loved them. That's how it goes.
To be fair... you dodged a bullet (no pun intended). .348 is kinda hard to find, at least for me here in FL. As much as I like the weird cartridges, in this market, it’s best to stick to the more common stuff
@@kyledodson2992 I learned to load my own the moment I realized I was a unique cartridge guy. I hunt with an old Enfield Mark III.
Does your wife know of this affair?
I have a .348 Winchester. It was my dads first rifle. I’ve heard many stories about what this rifle can do.
Same here. I 've got the Ruger Axis bolt action with a custom made 10 shot magazine to include. Looks like a BAR with that extended mag. 180 grain JHP in 30_06 that should do some real punishment with a double tap shot to the plate.
It doesn’t matter if the plate stops the bullet if the backface deformation punches through your body and dumps all that energy in it. You’ll still be toast. 😳
Shattered bones become shrapnel, so it's a coin toss if you're having supper with Gun Jesus, or Lord Jesus.
Considering I just got back from white tail hunting, I needed this.
See anything?
I filled 2 of my 3 tags. And my son in law got 3. And both got 8 pointers.
@@steveb6103 that's nothing I got 3 out of season with a kenworth t680 I'm not sure which were buck or does Because I couldn't really tell afterward and I left the meat on the highway for obvious reasons.
@@steveb6103 congrats. Tell him I said great job!
After seeing hunting calibers vs steel i was most impressed by .243 win. Highly underrated round.
I've used 243 all of my life and it's never failed me it's a super fast small round that can drop a deer from 200 yards instantly
the .338 lapua was my fav, and how the body armour held it up to repeated punishment was incredibly impressive
Keep in mind it’s a hollow point round
@@tonyh2640 ... No it wasn't? He was firing FMJ's. Not Hollowpoints.
5:41: "At this point in your life you should be questioning, "What did you do to make all these deer hunters so mad..." 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I almost fell off my couch laughing! 🤣🤣
Ditto, then I thot 'i know, I packed my bow into the bush before them!! Got that 8 point they had seen last year!
Thanks for this demo.
I shoot .300 Win Mag. Your experiment confirms my experience. At 250 yards, itis far more than what is needed for 240 lb. Muleys.
Judging by the deformation of the plate, one would be in very bad shape after the impact, especially at such close range.
Again, thanks for this demo.
The 300 win will still be death in a sense your not getting up and follow up shots on a not moving target are easy
I can drop a moose at 600 with a 30-06 bro, .300 win mag is a little overkill for a little deer imo
@@mikeslaney3885 How is it overkill? I've only shot two animals with mine so far (170 pound boar hog and a nilgai antelope), with two different kinds of ammo - both shots made pencil holes in them, entrance and exit. I honestly expected a mess lol
So glad to see you’re back in the swing of things. Your faith is absolutely amazing and is no doubt what has kept you around to keep making videos for all of us. Keep up the good work dude!
Look at this man, he's living his best life.
So basically, this body armor will stop 338 and make you wish you were dead instead. Got it.
The .338 Lapua transferred so much energy, that it may have still been lethal even without penetrating.
not might, it deffinitelly would be still lethal... no holes just ruptured organs and internal bleeding ...
A sternum would become a bone grenade after a hit like that ☠️
Easily lethal, any round from .308 and up is going to leave you with some serious internal shock, and probably death if you can't undergo immediate surgery, since there's pretty much nothing that can be done in the field to stop major internal bleeding and organ failure
If you can get 2 inches or more of indentation then that itself can cause damage without going through the plate.
Even with the the plate, a .338 Lapua would liquefy your insides 400 meters away
The slo-mo camera is pretty nifty. We need to see some slow-mo flintlock action. Because they are pretty slow on the ignition process anyway and seeing it in full smoking cinematic glory would be sweet. Why did we not shoot the body armor with the venerable 375 H&H ? 😢 that would be interesting too with soft points and solids to see the difference 😃
Survived an exploding .50bmg
Only to be killed by a folding table in slow motion.
“Stopped a .338 lapua magnum FMJ” should be on the package from now on and also I suggest a 7mm magnum. Tiny projectile with a ton of powder behind it. Might defeat body armor
Even better if used 7mm STW
A lot of plates will stop a 338, but as the video shows, the back face deformation would likely be fatal to the wearer. That’s a very important part of plate performance.
Or 7mm RUM
The armour plate after being shot multiple times and put back together with duct tape: Please boss im so tired, let me rest.
Scott coming back with even more duct tape: *YOU CAN REST WHEN I SAY YOU CAN REST.*
Finally! I’ve always been curious about how body armor fairs against common deer rounds. Never had the money to try my own plates out though lol
I honestly thought that the 300 mag was going through. But I was wrong. Those plates are good.
I can't believe that plate took so many .338 Lapua. That's just insane. I'm definitely getting two Premier Body Armor level 4 plates for Christmas.
“Sierra matchking 190 grain boat-tail hollow points, say that five times fast”
Paul Harrell would easily take that challenge
I'd pay to see Paul Harrell get together with Kentucky Ballistics and Demo Ranch
@@generalkayoss7347 i doubt thatll ever happen, paul unlike demo actually knows what hes talking about and isnt friends with traitors
@@jakegrube9477 Traitors? lol. What gibberish are you speaking?
@@generalkayoss7347 black rifle coffee, they gave money to the biden campaign and left kyle rittenhouse out to dry, theyre also brovet morons
I saw the title to this video and knew right off I had to make a comment. I'm 83 and had to give up deer hunting several years ago for health reasons. I'm happy that I was able to bag numerous whitetails before they started wearing body armor.
That's extremely impressive to see it continued to stop such a large round even after being taped back together multiple times. Well done!
I’ve worn plates like that. Interesting to see what happens when they get shot. I wish there was a way to measure the energy transfer from the back of the plate to the gelatin block. Several of those shots look lethal anyway.
@@schrodingersmechanic7622 that’s my understanding of it. It’s also my understanding that ‘taking a shot’ will keep you alive, but you probably won’t be standing around, like the dummies, to be shot again. One is a debilitating injury, with rifle calibers, and some pistols.
@@Foxtrap731 Once he got to the 30-06 round, any hit from that or above caliber, would have broken ribs and started damaging organs. Despite the plates ability to stop the round. Test one of those plates with it taped to a watermelon, then place it against clay, if the watermelon survives then you likely would, if it doesn't.....well.....I'll let your imagination run with that one.
Yeah I was thinking just because
It penetrate doesn’t mean it wasn’t like getting smashed in the chest with a sledgehammer…which would still be incapacitating and possibly fatal
Could use them force pads that myth busters used that'd be neat
NIJ tests use a huge block of clay to measure backface deformation
The roll of rope just unwinding and then the table taking off so hard it almost snapped in half was cartoon level of hilarious! I love your stuff Scott! Keep it coming lad!
I would love to see testing like this done with .300 Winchester magnum hand loads using black-tip .30-06 armor piercing projectiles.
I pulled some M2/AP black tip from .30/06 and loaded it into .30-30, .308 and .300 WinMag brass so I'd have data cards and ammo stocks in those calibers for my bolt guns for SHTF purposes. The AP push-pull did about as well as the issue rounds will do out of a bolt gun and a Garand; not impressively accurate but serviceable. I'm getting set to duplicate that with some AP .303" pulls in .303 Brit and 7.62X54R for an SMLE and a Mosin.
@@edbecka233 It seems you would know, is .303 more powerful than 54R or are they about the same?
@@ATruckCampbell Regarding strictly ballistics with no discussion of the pros/cons of either platform - They came into service at almost the same time, so they shared a lot of characteristics. You can consider them as triplets with the .30-40 Krag. With the same barrel length and bullet weight, the 7.62X54R will give you about 200 f/s more than the Brit. Like Paul Harrell says, not enough of a difference to make a difference. I own and hunt with both, and despite the slight velocity difference, I can't see any advantage to either one on deer, hogs, nor coyotes. They are both good performers, and both respond to basic accurizing. They're both capable of performance almost on a par with the .308 and .30-06. Pick one by determining which one has the handling attributes that you like in a rifle. Remember that they both (nominally) take the .311" diameter bullets, except for the Mosins rebarreled in Finland which need the .308" slugs. Have your barrel slugged regardless prior to handloading for them.
I was honestly expecting to see a 30-30 at some point but at the same time I am not surprised by it's absence...
Still a fun little video :-)
Not surprised that it wasn't there, but a little sad. It's still my favorite round, and the most common round in my area because of dense brush. Doesn't do any good to have a gun that can reach out to 1000 yards when you can't see more than 30, and the brush will deflect your pointy bullet.
@@michellewilt4479 I'm in PA and the 30-30 is probably #1 and the .300 #1A.
And where is the 243
@@drewnewman207 I did expect to see the .243, I feel like it would out perform expectations because its such a hot round with a small POI
Would have loved to see some lever calbers tested as well. None would have made it through but 30-30s and 45-70s are still pretty common.
Don’t forget .35
I love my Henry in .44 mag for deer hunting michigan thickets but it's def not getting through level 4a 🤣
@Chase Langford what lever gun was a 264 in? A BLR?
I prefer my 30-06,but I hear you. Just remember,the 45-70 Government and the 30-06 were meant to be man killers.It's what they were designed for,not hunting Bambi's mom.
This man breaks more tables than the Dudley boyz ever dreamed of
It's sad I actually remember them
Noice retro reference 💪 their intro music sucked though (yes, I'm that old).
SCOTT.... GET THE TABLE. COULDN'T RESIST.
Be real interesting to see how "lead free" rounds in those calibers would fare. They're all harder than lead. I believe I remember Taofledermaus testing a .270 lead free on some plates and getting through. Might have just been 3 or 3a plates tho.
It is impossible to watch this guy's videos and see his personality and not love him. Keep making us smile brother 😀
he's living the life! :)
To much B S
It's one of those things where I appreciate the information more than I do him but it's glad to see somebody enjoying themselves it's just unfortunate I have to sit through it. All being said, the information is helpful
Well said
@@wallacerose7499 Actually, just too much duct tape... /jk
that ballistic armor is amazing. The only thing I'm concerned about surviving the impact on the armor. But those deer won't be thinking about attacking you with any of those rifles.
thought the same thing. I wonder at what point it would cause less damage to not wear armor at all lol because i don't think one's surviving either way
Pretty sure it would knock you on your butt, maybe crack a few ribs.. But, you'd probably live. Also, in a hostile situation, unlikely your assailant would be shooting this much power. Most likely 9MM or .556.
@@noz182 I honestly think if you got hit by the biggest caliber he fired With this armor on you’d probably get a few broken bones and internal bleeding or something
Depending on where it hits, it might bust an organ: liver, kidney, etc. But if you get to the OR fast enough, you'll probably survive it.
@@annoyanceking yes alot of people wear trauma pads underneath the plates for frag and shock.
I feel like even though the armor stops the bullet, you'd still end up with severe internal bleeding and possibly ruptured organs based on where you got hit.
Oh yeah. Demo ranch did a video with a realistic balistic torso. The 308 broke the sternum free from the ribs. The 30-06 lacerated the liver if I remember correctly.
You'd live long enough to really regret not dying faster! 😁
Plus one of those punctured your heart. Good demo...
I think having soft armor under a plate would mitigate this a great deal, still a really bad day with anything .3+
@@Taylormade1717 I think that it would spread the force out over a larger area, but you'd still be in a world of hurt. At the bare minimum you would be laid out on the ground desperately trying to take a breath, as ALL of the air in your lungs would have been driven out via the force of the hit.
I tripped while running to the base armory at RAF Upper Heyford and fell chest first into the pavement. I was wearing my FLAK vest, and drove all of the air out of my lungs. I got up, and walked into the armory area, all the time gasping & trying to take a breath. I sat down against the wall, when I started to get dizzy, and the world gray out. I eventually caught a small breath and after some hacking and coughing returned to normal breathing. Granted this WAS NOT a gun shot, but it gave me an idea of what it may be like.
That little stunt with table makes me think you been hanging out at Demolition ranch too much !! lol
Awesome video! The ballistic gel slap is a timeless KB classic. Love the sweater too, picking one up.
Would love to see you test these plates against .45-70
If it stopped 338 lapua, 45-70 stands no chance
@@daltonmiller5117 never said I expected it to go through, just wanna see the results
@Robert Tucker It would definitely stop a 45-70 round but the fact that it stopped all these other rounds doesn't mean anything because the energy behind most cities rounds you would kind of wish you were dead You're going to have massive internal bleeding etc broken bones you'd be a mess.
@@polarbear5740 oh I know, I understand how body armor works, and can see the results of it
For those who are curious if you're hunting rifle is making contact with their armor you have several and I mean several seconds to run up on them and do what you need to do they will be suffering from broken ribs and hemorrhages from the round hitting so don't worry about the round going through the armor as long as you make contact with it
@Ay Yo: Great point. But, for multiple tangos, I might have to take five or six well placed shots
@@jmmartin7766 not in a real situation, those tangos will be surrounding you. Especially if they aren't Indian or afghanies, so x amount of shots ain't gonna happen.
Wow! This was one of the best armor plate tests that I have seen. I laughed so hard "Let's try another 338 Lapua!"
I'm very happy to see someone finally shooting 30/06 rifles would be even better if you had used Winchester Ballistic Silvertip ammo. Yes it's only 168 grain, but I'm curious as to how well the body armor plates stand up to that type of ammo.
The bullet construction of the silvertip is similar to the round he used.. both expanding , polymer tipped rounds.. the results wouldnt have changed. Velocity actually works against thise rounds vs body armor.. because the violence of the impact rips them apart..
Ikr he should use all fmjs
@@jarrettm3728 He's specifically using lead rounds, hollow points and ballistic tips because hunters dont use fmj's. With hunting you want to maximize damage and kinetic energy transfer, preferably the round stopping in the target or dumping most of its energy inside the target before exiting.
It would be interesting to see this with light for caliber bullets. I've always heard that velocity is what defeats this type of armor. That's how I tend to load my deer cartridges, light bullets at ridiculous velocities. Roy Weatherby was on to something with his theory that velocity kills. I've come to prefer light copper bullets at high speed. My new favorite inside 300 yards is the Barnes 130 ttsx in my 308 at around 3100fps. Aim for the shoulder and they fall where they stand.
I hunt with a sawed-off
22-250, 6 creedmoor, 243 and 150gr 300 win mag are really hard on ar500 from what I've heard from metal Target makers.
The normal kinetic method to defeat armor is velocity of the projectile and hardness of the projectile. Even if you use the lightest possible bullet for caliber, if it’s lead or copper it’s likely not hard enough to pierce into armor. Brass however is much harder and may begin to pierce…. Hardened steel or tungsten is usually the core of an AP round. Some AP rounds are a solid hunk or steel with a copper jacket and others are a copper jacketed lead slug with a hardened steel or tungsten penetrator in the middle. Upon striking armor the outer lead and copper will splatter and peel away but the core will continue into and possibly through the armor. The new M855A1 5.56 round uses no lead. It has a hardened core which I believe is tungsten and protrudes out of the slug forming the point and core of the round. The rest around that is copper I believe. The theory being that if it hits a soft, non armored target the hardened tip will smash rearwards into the copper part and begin to tumble or expand. If it strikes armor however, the core should pierce in and strip away the softer copper outer as it passes into/ through the armor. You’re not wrong about velocity defeating armor, but if you don’t change the projectile to deal with the armor then they will often just destroy themselves due to all that velocity. That’s actually pretty favorable for soft target damage…. When that light Barnes bullet hits a deer it’s moving so fast that it begins to go end over end and break up, dumping energy and creating a nice, large wound channel that could go off in multiple directions as the projectile breaks up.
I'd rather take my chances with lead bullets that expand instead of straight through for hunting, to each their own and what works well for you
@@James-jg7kv if you're referring to the copper bullets not expanding, you'd be mistaken. They don't expand as well as lead at modest velocity, but they do indeed expand violently at hyper fast speeds I like to shoot them at. If you're long range hunting, they're not the best choice. I prefer them as they don't scatter lead throughout my venison and you can't see past 200 or 300 yards where I live anyway.
The problem with these plates, at least in my mind, is that they are too small. There is no way this plate can completely protect all of a person's vulnerable organs (lungs, heart, liver, kidneys).
They are designed to stop a center mass hit, which is what probably 99% of the world’s military are trained to aim for.
Bigger plates mean more weight, it’s a real give and take. Light and fast or heavy and slow.
Personally I want light and fast, but that’s just me.
We were issued the interceptor armor, and I’ll tell you, the weight combined with the extreme heat of the desert takes a big toll on your body, especially once you add the rest of your gear.
That's what armored cars are for. 😉
@@jedironin380 True statement however, your not gonna be in one 24/7.
what about the head? No one ever talks about the head shot.
@@txtpqb It's obviously a much more difficult target, both because the brain is a much smaller target than center mass, but also because the target's head is far more likely to be in motion, and to move more quickly, than other parts of the body. Of course no plate system can protect against a head shot. And any system designed to protect the brain bucket has to deal with a myriad of factors that don't come into play when protecting other parts of the body, like weight, not overly restricting visibility, heat, etc. etc.
Use a medium weight all copper bullet, and it will go through with the magnums, maybe even the 30/06.
Great to finally see rifle rounds most of us have and use rather than all military stuff or 50 BMG (which I do enjoy seeing also, but not all the time)
I was excited to see it as well. I adopted the 300 win mag as a utility round several years ago. Resizing the cases is the only issue with belted rounds but still a great round. Huge 308 fan too, but you see that more frequently.
@@oldplace2844 I've been handloading for 40 years now. Never had a single problem loading or sizing any belted round yet. I own a lot of them now and have had a lot more still over the years. There's far too much misinformation floating around the interweb about belted rounds and a lot of newer shooters and handloaders buy into it. Don't. Set your dies correctly for your rifle's chamber and you will never have a single issue either. :-)
@@404nitro if the new shooters buy into the belted case hype they'll buy the newer stuff the ammo and gun makers are selling.
@@randomidiot8142 That's exactly right and why all of a sudden having a belt on the case is so evil. The simple truth is- more guys need to learn to handload correctly.
@@404nitro and what about the claim of belts causing feeding issues or hanging up in magazines? Seems to be quite a few belted magnums in service against dangerous game..
Watching the impact was awesome but seeing how well those armor plates held up was insane. Thank you
Operating a ballistics lab, I’ve seen a lot and been shocked a few times.
Scott: Say that 5 times fast..
Me: I can’t even say it 1 time slow.
When Scott said 338 Lappula light went through my head was OK now that’s just overkill😂
Scott, It might have stopped that .338, but the impact would have stopped your heart. The purpose of body armor is to save your life, so even though it stopped the bullets, the blunt force trauma would most likely have been fatal. Still, that is some really tough body armor, to absorb all that energy. Great selection of rifles and ammo, by the way👍👍 hilarious how you snatched that table into next week…😂😂
Scott - can you get your hands on a rifle chambered in .375 H&H? Its my favorite round and its famous for penetration and its not been on your channel so far. Keep up the good work man!
There is a .375 Ruger, which is designed to be very close to .375 H&H magnum. I don't know what a .375 Ruger round costs, but the .375 H&H magnum is very expensive, as I'm sure you know. I would love either rifle, I'm not picky! 😁. The biggest I have is a 45-70, which he didn't test either.
Hahaha 😂 I absolutely love how hard that table gets ripped out of there like that! Also I appreciate you testing out 2 of my favorite calibers. 270 and the 338
That is some really really good armor, normally the 30-06 goes thru anything not hard plate.
Thank you for doing this, I'm from Kentucky and I hunt a lot as well, so I've always wondered about deer rifles
Doesn’t matter if the plates stop the round.
We can’t all be as awesome as you.
Blunt-force trauma would definitely end most.
Person wearing one of those plates getting hit by a rifle round says, "Do you have ANY idea how much that stings." (MIB 2 reference)
Those last rifle rounds, they had a lot of kick to them, and the body armor stood up to it. Very impressive.
I like how Scott always says he will miss when he has weird sights yet he always hits. This man is to good. Lol
Next test idea: plate carrier with those plates, strapped on one of the gel torsos that Garand Thumb uses, so we can see what kind of rib and organ damage occurs from the impact and deformation of the plate.
Bonus points if it's a crossover/collaboration video 😁
Here is a video that is close to what you are looking for. Same plate, he is also using pistols and a shotgun and a couple of rifles. th-cam.com/video/pRRr-DGmg-o/w-d-xo.html
You have a very good suggestion. We should probably see if there is a trauma surgeon who would collaborate more closely. We need somebody who's educated on these matters not just opinionated.
My thoughts exactly.
The ballistics dummy although good at mimicking body tissue against bullets sucks for other weapons think about it like knives and maces
My point is the belly absorbs way to much force to see how the ribs would hold up
And the only way to see how it would actually fair would be a meat target similar to what Paul harrel (I think that’s how it’s spelled) uses
Just strap the PC to. Big water melon….
Magician " watch me pull this table cloth" Scott "hold my beer"
The table's market blowed up the day that scott was born
He broke the operating table when he was born.
Although the body armor may have stopped the round from penetrating through, you have to understand the energy transfer still continues. Looking at the protruding back side of the armor after each round that will break ribs, cause internal bleeding and damage to your organs. So yes you may survive the initial shot, your going to bleed to death before you make it out of the woods.
When Scott walks past the portable tables in the store, the entire shelf starts rattling from them trembling.
I was surprised he didn't use a .30-30 Winchester. That's a very common deer hunting round. I would loved to see a .45-90 out there. Not because I think it could penatrate the body armor, I just like those old lever action rifles
More deer killed with .30-30 than any other round
@@Bustin_cider00 Maybe elk too
Well, good luck finding any rounds left for it... like $4 each online
@@Hunter-bn6sm still? jeez....
45-90? Never heard of it I’d prefer 45-70 or 50-70
“I don’t have a sight. I’m gonna miss”
Proceeds to slam the plate nearly dead center.
The 270 Winchester is normally used for medium game that is true, however if you're not careful with your shot placement and ammunition selection you're going to get a lot of meat that's destroyed. It's more suited for larger game like mule deer elk or moose. Especially the more powerful ones like the 270 WSM or the 270 Weatherby.
Depends on bullet selection 130 grain 270 works just great on whitetails 150 grain is more for mule deer or elk I wouldn't recommend it for moose. It can work but you'd have to fiddle around with you hand loads to get more reliable results or get those new nossler 165 grain bullets.
People always say the larger calibers destroy more meat. I guess I don't understand that argument. I have shot a lot of deer with a .243 and a 7mm mag. The only difference is the size of the exit hole through the ribs on the back side, assuming you get a pass through with a .243. Either way, not like there is much meat between deer ribs.
We used a 7mm Remington magnum on Mule Deer. Blew the top off the heart, but didn't exit the rib cage. No exit wound, just shrapnel inside the ribcage.
My favorites were the .270 Winchester and the .30-06 Springfield! I've taken deer with both calibers
I HAVE to mention something I saw recently...
In the Q&A section for a shotgun, someone asked if it could shoot slugs. Another replied:
"yes it can shoot slugs but watch out for the snails they have body armor" : )
Does it really matter if the round is or isn’t jacketed by armor when it enters your chest?
Even the side blowouts looked like they would cause amputations.
The sheer impact would put a fist size hole in you even if the bullet was stopped. It would be like getting kicked in the bear chest by a mule. It would still stop your heart just from the impact.
Armor Plate to Lapua: "I'm strong enough to hold you back!"
Lapua to Armor Plate: "That's fine. I'll just push you through my target."
Magician: Removes table cloth leaving behind the things on top of the table.
Scott: Removes table leaving behind the objects.
"I don't even have a rear sight on this, I'm gonna miss..."
*proceeds to nearly center the plate*
You absolute beast
The moral of this story is that's some of the best body armor on the planet and is definitely worth every penny.
I use a .243 for deer hunting but still enjoyed this video very much. Very impressed with how the armor held up with all those hits. The trauma to the body would definatly be severe for some of those calibers for sure.
I wished he did use .243. It's the first gun you get in Hunter classic.
With ammo availability being so poor, you could have tested the .338 Lapua and simply stated; "If the plate stops this cartridge, there is no reason to test anything else"
Probably true if it stops .30-06 tungsten AP as well. That is some impressive body armor....at least part of the answer.
I bet my 257 wby could make it through with a 80gr copper bullet going 3800. If not then my 28 Nosler with a 100 gr going around 4000 fps. Speed and bullet construction kills body armor and nothing he shot was going faster than 3000 fps.
Just an observation. That plate compared to Scott's chest looks like it was made for a 6-year-old. Not saying Scot is Thor.
You pretty much nailed it. 🙂
But you didn't bring the most evil little hunting round there is: The .243. It's fast, has a small suface area, but enough weight to punch through suprisingly thick steel!
Facts! The 55 grain 243 I’d bet zips right through it
The only round I was hoping he would test ☹️
I see a lot of videos of people testing body armor, but you never hear about back face deformation. The FBI is of the opinion that 2 inches or more of B.F.D. can still inflict a fatal wound even though the armor stopped the bullet.
By the way, I used to manufacture bullet resistant glass. And the most important component was the spall shield on the innermost layer to contain shards glass.
Much love from South Africa 🇿🇦 ❤
What I got from that; 6.5 creedmoor did about has good as any other short of the 300 mag, no need to go bigger for deer. We can all agree there is no whitetail that requires a 300 Win Mag. Would like to see a .243
i definately wouldnt say the 6.5 is "about as good as the 300wm"... although for practical hunting ranges if you dont live in elk/moose country i dont think theres any question the 6.5cm is enough.
Have been using a .243 for 16 years, no deer has gone more than 40 ft after first shot, 90% of them 10ft or less. Shot placement helps a lot too. Also, using Remington core lokt 100gr I have never found a piece of lead in any of my deer, ALWAYS through and through and minimal damage. Love that round
It would be interesting if you could have a medical expert explain what the trauma would be if a person had the plate on. Love seeing all the different calibers.
That's a pretty good idea. I'm sure even a medical doctor would have to just offer his or her best guess, but it would be interesting. Even though the .338 didn't make it through, I would think that it would still be fatal.
Strap the plate on one of those trauma dummies.
This is perfect for when that beautiful buck is in full combat gear
Nice body armor I was really impressed. The 338 was my favorite. Though the armor stopped the 338 I don’t think 🤔 the person wearing it would be getting up under their own power.
Great video thank you.
Imagine using an anti-tank round on a deer...
@@carrisasteveinnes1596 .338 lapua magnum can be used for anti-material purposes but is mainly anti-personell due to the lack of kinetic energy compared to other anti-material rounds such as 14.5x114mm from a PTRD or PTRS
Having felt what it's like to get hit by a 9mm with a plate on, I couldn't imagine surviving some of these rounds even though they are "stopping" them.
I have to ask, hard or soft armor?
@@westonpierson2532 plate implies hard armor.
A very odd deer round (and when I mention it you'll know that it's also quite a dated round too) is the triple deuce .222 remington! Back when my uncle was a teen (probably 13 or maybe 12 at least) got his first deer with a .222! It's a fun round and I'm a big fan!
They evolved that to make the 223
@@MrMattydavee you are correct! Though I still wish that the triple deuce was a common and popular round i still really dig the 223
Yeah I've heard a lot of people swear by the 22-250 for deer. Now that'd put body armor to the test!