F-35 Aerial Demonstration Debut at 2017 Paris Air Show
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- The F-35A made its aerial demonstration debut on June 19, 2017 at the Paris Air Show in front of crowds of thousands. Watch this impressive display of 5th Generation innovation in aviation. f35.com/pas17
This was the flight display that left all of the F-35’s critics speechless. Turns out this thing can turn, climb, and run no problem!
Pierre Sprey: _"The F-35 can't turn, can't climb and cant run"_
F-35: *Turns, climbs, runs*
still wondering how a record producer became a defense analyst
@@Mianhe by lying a lot
@@Mianhe sound like you know what you're talking about and say what gets people riled up
Tobe faire he said that in 2011
@@Vulcain-we5tw Still wrong
The actual combat capabilities of these aircraft are everything that you CANNOT see in these aerial displays.
merlingt1 This is Air Show after all. What was the reason for that pregnant hippo to just take off and landing.
Al K kek, you're either russian, or one of those guys from the Boeing Department who lost against the YF-35.
WHY DONT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THIS?! Literally people arguing over this airplane and this airplane, and these demo's mean absolute shit. They are demo's, and if you think you see everything this monster is capable of, you're a fucking idiot.
Evidently you didn’t grasp the stability controls on these maneuvers and how many 4th generations would crash attempting the same things.
@@Slimzyjoe True we will really only know which aircraft will win if they actually fight.
I believe this is Billie Flynn flying the first ever air show demo of the F35. He was a long time premier test pilot for Lockheed Martin, the Eurofighter, and an F18 combat pilot in the RCAF for twenty years. He now trains test pilots at the International Test Pilot School in London, Ont.
That was pretty unique, loved the slow pass and the square loop, a clever display of maneuvers in a tight airspace, considering this thing's thrust to weight ratio, good show.
For those wondering why the aircraft seems slow:
The program for this performance was mostly about slow speed flight and showing off the amount of control that the aircraft has and the unique aspects of the high angle of attack maneuvering:
aviationweek.com/paris-air-show-2017/f-35-demo-pilot-paris-performance-will-crush-years-misinformation
"The flight demonstration is carefully scripted to highlight the kinematic capabilities of the F-35A, particularly its slow-speed handling qualities, said Flynn. He will start with an afterburner takeoff, almost immediately pointing his nose to the sky and letting the aircraft climb away essentially vertically. This impressive move is unique to the F-22 and the F-35, he said.
Next, Flynn will reverse back in front of the crowd, and perform a “square loop” to show the aircraft’s instantaneous pitch capability and high angle-of-attack (AOA) maneuverability. Then he will turn around, reverse back in front of the crowd, and perform a slow-speed, high-AOA pass. Afterward, he will light the afterburner and fly straight up into the sky once again.
From there, Flynn will pull up vertically in front of the crowd and execute a maximum AOA “power loop,” where the aircraft flips on its back-another signature Raptor move. Then he will initiate a spiral at 50 degrees AOA, called a “pedal turn,” which he says will be the most impressive part of the entire routine.
After reversing again in front of the crowd, the last move is a maximum-G, 360-deg. turn, which highlights the maximum-rate, minimum-radius-turn capability of the aircraft, Flynn said. The F-35 in its current 3i configuration is limited to 7g; when the fighter gets its full war-fighting capability with the final 3F software, it will be able to pull 9gs."
That 360 degree turn was very fast despite the 7g limitation. When the aircraft can hit 9g, the performance will be eye watering.
TeaSipper this guy gets it.
What control? Go watch the Su35 at Maks, then you can talk about control ...
Wow, fantastic work there Billie Flynn! Totally impressive! 28 maneuvers in total!
Came here today after listening to the Fighter Pilot Podcast, he was the guest (circa 2021) and was chatting up this show. Good eye there sir.
@@gdlonborg yup. Listened to him talking about designing this display on the Afterburn podcast. He wanted to shut the ney sayers up.
@@louissanderson719 cool!
Watch it and weep, trolls. Proof that the F-35 is clearly the best strike fighter ever made just as I was saying all along. Amazing performance. The slow-speed, high-AOA pass was insane.
Ah, how disappointed you will be to find out it is based on a Soviet aircraft that even the Soviets dumped….
That was bad ass. For some reason this is the 1st real air demonstration of the F35. All we have seen in the US is fly byes. Thanks.
Americans make great fighter jets. Thanks for the F16s... from Pakistan
The control is amazing. The SU-57 has to throw itself into crazy manuvers. The more I see this plane get updates the better it gets.
F 35A ,rafale M, su 34 and j 20 are all very comparable turning agile birds but f 35 has complete sensor dominance... plus stealth
Aren't there only like 3 SU-57's even in existence?
I was a u s missile tech and this plane will be shot down more than believable in a real war with russia. you should consult someone who has knowledge about this planes systems and also is not biased in one way or another. This plane performs poorly. AND IT IS FAR TOO EXPENSIVE !!!!!!!!! I would add a few more lines but you get the point.
And that my friends, was all done WITHOUT thrust vectoring
Good enough... look at all the Su 27family of fighters...including
Su30/33 and the most recent Su-35 etc... do cobra movement at air show
seems so cool. in real war had proven almost mostly useless....when
against western nation fighters and planes .
And limited to 7Gs
woon.... when the real war starts then the voice will submit, but for now shut up.... your new planes are only good to kill innocent people
Benjamin Huang. A model rated at 9g.
Benjamin Huang It is software limited to 7 Gs until block 3I
Most planes when you pull back on the stick both horizontal stabilizers move at the same time. Same with the vertical stabilizers and basically all flight control surfaces. Watch how active the tail is as all surfaces move independent of eachother with a very advanced fly by wire system allowing for far more maneuverability than you guys thought now that the handicaps have been taken off. This plane is very capable and very maneuverable.
And this is a 7G limited one! 9G's are even harder turning!
And what makes this better than the famous Sukoi flight show appearances?
1. It didnt crash.
2. It didnt crash and kill anyone in the audience.
It crashed near south carolina..lol
This is why F-35 outmaneuves Sukhois:
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Lol priceless
Exactly 😂
Evidently the capabilities were lost on you.
Considering the remit of the display, and the fact that it's a first outing, this looked great to me. Some subtly great moves here. I wasn't expecting that much. The stupid, pre-formed f35-is-shit comments on the other hand, were entirely predictable. This aeroplane is going to win every encounter it has, purely because it is the most harshly underrated thing that ever had wings.
It's no F22 but I am impressed. Did way better than I thought.
That's a crazy short take off without being in a STOL/VTOL configuration.
Yeah no fuel and weapons makes it easy
That roar... You can feel the raw power
3:30
Most impressive part so far. you're welcome :)
Augmented control services... very clever - the Raptor was probably the first aircraft who had this type of flight control system - but you would not really realize, because of its thrust vectoring. The F-35 shows off what you can do in the Digital age just with computer aided flight controls.
@@Dominikmj Hornets can do this. Its been around longer then you think. Its called a J Turn.
This is such an incredible demo flight
“We took off out of Madison (to join the fight),” said Lt. Col. Bart Van Roo, the commander of the Wisconsin Air National Guard’s 176th FS, which has F-16 Fighting Falcons. “We went to our simulated airfield out in the far part of the airspace. As the two ship from the northern half of the airspace we turned hot, drove for about 30 seconds and we were dead, just like that. We never even saw (the F-35A).”
www.hill.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/931394/f-35a-continues-fifth-generation-tradition-of-air-superiority-against-legacy-ai/
Nice enough video LM, but the haters will still slam it for any false reason they can. You can bet on that.
Of course they will. Because they are poorly informed haters.
Robert Brockway it stays really expensive.....
Well the currently available Tranche (IIIa) in the Eurofighter Typhoon line up is actually more expensive per plane than the F-35A is. The IIIa is currently 100 million US dollars per unit. The F-35A, once it goes into full production will be 85 million. Even today in LRIP (schedule 10), they are "only" 94.6 million.
D. Brandtair WRONG, less than most other fighter. You are just being ignorant on price of F-35.
Robert Brockway nope i didn't say that others aren't really expensive.
And people still try to say this aircraft isn't maneuverable
MiG-21 A2A Kill ratio 240 to 501
MiG-23 Kill ratio 25 to 102
MiG-25 8 to 8
MiG-29 6 to 18
Su-27 6 to 0
F-15 102 to 0
F-16 77 to 1 (Turkish F-16 shot down by Greek Mirage 2000)
It's far more agile than it needs to be to destroy virtually anything from 250 miles away without being seen. Which is what it was designed to do and will do if required. I believe it will turn out to be a very successful aircraft with those airforces that have chosen to use it
I lol to the people that still thinks combat with these monsters are like WWII
A combat plane today has to be much more agile than WWI for they have to evade missiles. This flying brick can't outmanoeuvre a weather balloon! bwahahaha!
Putin ReReloaded nice b8 m8
yes, PLA and china lovers think like that. wkwkwkwk
US military brass are very well prepared to fight WWII, but life shows, that every war moves military technology very unexpected ways. F35 design philosophy repeats American design philosophy of F-4, before Vietnam war American generals pronounced that dog fighting is over and supersonic speed is the king. USA paid heavy price loosing thousands of airplanes due to AAA and SAM.
how does one "dodge" a missile going mach 2 and can do 100G turns?
To understand the F-35, one must understand modern warfare. This is not the modern aerial version of a Sherman tank. It's more of a command-and-control capable, supersonic, airborne-weapons platform.
And, by virtue of its nature, and the nature of its potential threats, it can show off a bit at an airshow.
The further future of air dominance will probably be a 3-D maneuvering, anti-gravity sphere, with directed energy-type weapons. Will it create the visceral experience of 70,000lbs of F-22 thrust blowing by the crowd? No. But it will be faster, deadlier, and more maneuverable than anything else in human inventory.
Right now, the F-35 is the main event. It's not made to overwhelm the senses. It's made to defeat them. Enjoy seeing loud, fire-spitting jets at shows now. Their days are numbered.
I too would call something that will happen in at least a minimum of a century later “numbered” are you seriously thinking anti gravity spheres with laser weapons would come anytime in the next 10 years? Wake up from your fever dream pal
@@insertdeadmemehere9397 Have you been living under a rock? The vehicles are already here. Will we see them at air shows? Probably not for at least 25 years? Lasers? Probably MASERs, gravity beam weapons, and/or neutral particle beam weapons, all of which have been built and tested.
@@LostAnFound I know laser weapons exist and work against aircraft but all that gravity bs? You are saying that they would be able to manipulate or turn off gravity and fly at incredible speeds in the near future. I’m not sure how that would work but it probably happens on an atomic scale sometimes. If that’s the case, do u think it will take less than half a century to scale up to our macro world and work effectively?
@@insertdeadmemehere9397 Yes, that is what I’m saying.
Read the book, Hunt for Zero Point by Nick Cook (former Jane’s Defence contributor and weapons expert).
Or, read Hal Puthoff’s paper on spacetime metric engineering here:
arxiv.org/pdf/1204.2184.pdf
Or
Read this paper, The Impulse Generator, by Evgeny Podklentov:
pdfs.semanticscholar.org/70b6/0cf306a162fe4273b71d057a3a141bdec280.pdf
. . . the same man whose spinning, ceramic, superconducting disk experiments were successfully in reducing gravity:
www.wired.com/1998/03/antigravity/
They were ready to formally publish this finding, and it had been featured in many popular periodicals, but suddenly, for some reason, he and his Dutch co-researchers retracted the submission.
There is a lot more out there too, if you just look up the science.
Try researching high frequency gravitational wave generators by beginning with this patent that the USPTO awarded to a supposed Salvatore Cesar Pais (I’m not sold on the name being real) and assigned to the US Secretary of the Navy:
patents.google.com/patent/US10322827B2/en
@@insertdeadmemehere9397 Here’s a list of BS being developed by the Navy. It’s really special BS because the Secretary of the Navy had to offer up the fact that these patents are not just theoretical, but actually being demonstrated with test articles. He added that the importance of the Navy owning these patents (publicly) was of increasing importance because of same-area advancements by China and presumably Russia. You don’t wanna have to pay Bejing to build your own flying saucer / Tic-Tac:
patents.google.com/?inventor=Salvatore+Cezar+Pais
314 Russian Disinformation professionals didn't like this.
The F-35's ability to fly slow and low at high angles of attack will make it an airshow favorite for years to come. Something to look forward to.
Check this. They took the handicap off allowing its all individually moving flight surfaces, extremely aerodynamically unstable airframe aided by fly by wire, and lifting body/low wing loading to now pull 9g turns and be supermaneuverable. The pilot has no need to “point his nose” at enemy aircraft so instead the pilot will use this maneuverability to take the much more survivable defensive position while he uses his helmet to look through the aircraft, find the enemy who cannot get a radar lock on him, and finally fire aim 9x missiles in any direction from the path of travel with no need for him to ever point his nose at the enemy and get into a turning fight. The aim 9x can also get a lock without opening the doors and then will only open when firing the missile and then immediately close again only raising the radar cross section for a split second. Truly deadly design.
Impressive! I didn't think the F-35 could move like that!
I didn't expect that pedal turn! And this A model is still restricted to 7g's. With the "nearly complete" software and engine upgrades, the F-35 will be fully unleashed!!!
Beautiful feat of engineering!
Beyond visual range the f35 is a killer plane. It can even jam f 22 radar. within visual range it is shaping up to be a decent dog fighter. When the engine is uprgaded to more thrust it would be even better
The maneuverability is actually very impressive yet it wasn't even trying very hard.
If you set the video to 1.5X speed it looks kinda like an f-16 viper demo. If this thing gets full combat payload, it will have a turning radius similar to the SR-71 at Mach 3.
Angezerus Um this test was carried out under full payload more or less. Unlike all other airshows it was not trimmed down to enhance performance.
Mark Lol what? :D I am pretty sure it did not carry jdams, sidewinders, ammo for the gun and it did not have full fuel onboard.. I seriously doubt that aircrafts on show are allowed to carry any armament. I am not sure where did you get that idea..
@@604WOLVERINE It wasn't. It's really easy to tell it wasn't done at full payload. At it's true full payload of 8,100 kilograms, it has to carry equipment externally.
Excellent travail de caméra
The little Stealth fighter that could!!!!!!!!
is it just me or is the sound quality incredible? you can really hear the roar as it passes by
The haters who say it can't turn need to watch this! Can't wait to see it at JBSA later this year!
Damn, turn on a dime and leave nine cents change. Excellent piloting.
beautiful jet and probably more maneuverable than it needs to be for what it does and to be honest it really wouldnt make sense to make it as agile as the su-35 because the f-35 would blow the enemy out of the sky before it ever knew the f-35 was their, so a dogfight isnt going to happen, not to mention dogfighting is a thing of the past. 🇺🇸🚁✈🚀⚓#1
By the way, the weakness of a system is the weak link in the system. The electronic is very fine, top of the art, undeniably, when... It works!, but can be jamed. And the plane, itself, is an iron. This system is too predictable.
Don't worry. This plane will just do the job of an A10 or a F16 against poor or non existent air force, but for a very big amount of $. America best of the best, Sir! hahahahahaaaa !
Lol Su-35 vs F-35 is like waving a knife at a gunfight. Su will be quickly killed >99% probability
Beautiful? Really?
+MrSoulPatrol Yeah, maybe these newer aircraft with the necessary internal weapons stores will grow on me, but so far they look like fat turds. Especially compared to the razor sharp F-16.
Jason Edward the f35 can literally fly straight and level and the pilot can fly undetected towards an enemy and turn his head to fire the extremely high off boresight aim9x in any direction. It has no need to “point its nose” at enemy fighters as it can fire in any direction. If another fighter gets its nose pointed at the f35 he wont be able to get a radar lock and the f35 can still fire at them even if they are behind it. Even with all this the engineers have taken the handicap out of the fly by wire system allowing its all individually moving flight surfaces to give it extreme maneuverability and they now allow it to make 9g turns. This is helpful because the f35 has no need to get into a tangle of trying to point his nose but instead use this maneuverability to take the much easier position of flying defensive for just the time it takes to look around through the aircraft, find the target, and then fire an aim 9x in any direction regardless of where they are. Deadly.
Looks like it can point and shoot with the best of em.
Astonishing, and all under perfect control! Lethal machine
What you armchair aces fail to grasp is the F-35 is a smart bird, not a brawler. It integrates all other attack and ISR assets so that it doesn't need to close into a knife fight. If it did it has roughly the same maneuverability as an F-16.
It's also limiting it's full control surface deflection. The precision it is executing each maneuver is completely machine-like as well, very little drifting or sliding.
In short, my son is going to enjoy his job when these phase out the Viper.
The F-35 Lightning II, a beautiful and deadly Spector.
Well done!
Considering the reputation of the F35, these maneuvers are pleasantly unexpected. I'm wondering if the thrust vectoring technology can eventually be added to this aircraft.
Old comment, I know, but certainly _possible_ that the A or C variant could incorporate thrust vectoring with a new engine design. The B variant, most likely not, since it already has a specific thrust vectoring design for vertical flight. However, the specific advantage of thrust vectoring is chiefly to enable supermaneuverability, which is certainly useful in a dogfight, but less useful for other operations, and the F-35 was not designed with dogfighting in mind (that is for the F-22), so how valuable it would really be to the F-35 is probably marginal; it wouldn't necessarily hurt it, but it wouldn't offer enough of an advantage to justify the additional cost for the engines and complexity of the software.
Where thrust vectoring would be supremely useful, however, would in an aircraft that had no ailerons, no flaperons, no rudders, and no stabilizers; two engines with software that could manage asymmetrical thrust vectoring and no control surfaces could, in theory, make up the shape of the stealthiest aircraft possible. Would that offer a significant enough advantage over current generation low observable aircraft? Probably not. But it would be pretty cool.
Thank you for putting this up without a whole bunch of Marketing bumpf. Enjoyed it. I'm not a hater on the F-35
I'm a fan of the F35 so please don't take this the wrong way folks. The F-35 is plenty maneuverable. The problem is that in bleeds a lot of energy during turns and tights maneuvers. And while it's extremely powerful engine and internal stores makes up for this a bit, there is no doubt that it is still at a bit of a disadvantage in a dog fight with some of the more modern and maneuverable Russian planes. But you have to realize that the F-35 wasn't developed to be a dog fighter. It's designed to kill it's opponent beyond visual range. In this regard it is many decades ahead of all current opponents.
Looks slightly more agile than I expected. Hopefully the engine upgrade will come quickly. No F-22 video? Thank you for the hard work on the F-35. Any upgrades would be well received.
Agile? Old Panavia Tornado is way more agile :D
But is more agile at low speeds than an Tornado in my view .
Uh, no. Not even close.
1Young99Man0 it's because the pilots are getting use to how it flys
1Young99Man0
F-22 is banned in Paris Air Show, MAKS - Moscow Air show, and Aero India.
i love lockheedmartin aircrart
그냥 하늘을 날 수 있다는 것에 의의를 둔 모양.... 고기동은 거의 없음..... 진짜 하늘만 뱅뱅 돌다 끝나는듯...
기동성은 별로 안중요해요..
0:02 that take-off roll and vertical climb and the capability to maintain control at such low speeds afterwards...
From 3:28 to 3:55 is pure F-22 without the thurst vectoring assistance (impressive as hell)
4:34 marks the start of a seriously short minimum radius turn with excellent sustained lift and thus speed ("draggy" "fat" and "too heavy" critics are full of shit)
You have very low standarts.
Considering it had a 50% internal fuel load equating to over 9,000 lbs compared to the 2,500-3,000 lb internal fuel load other aircraft carry at displays in a non-combat configuration I'd say my standards are far from low. Or are you honestly going to try and tell me that adding an extra 6,000 - 6,500 lbs of external ordinance (see the F-35 carries internally and is in a combat config here) wouldn't handicap other aircraft? Lol, yeah, such low standards...
What a beauty! And impressive. It will kill you before you know! Shape of the future!
Историк и эксперт по развитию военной техники Алексей Славицкий прокомментировал главную сенсацию Ле-Бурже...
"Он всё же может летать , - это всё, что говорит полёт F-35 во Франции. Программа полёта американской машины оказалась предельно стандартной и на уровень сенсации никак не тянет. Такие фигуры высшего пилотажа способны легко выполнять все самолёты четвёртого поколения, и некоторые третьего.
Но зрители, эксперты и потенциальные покупатели явно ожидали большего. Вся шумиха вокруг этого полёта сформировалась из-за завышенных ожиданий. Американцы слишком уж расхваливали своё предстоящее выступление, но на деле не показали ничего нового.
Зато всплыли старые проблемы. Во время выступления было видно, что пилот ведёт машину крайне осторожно и на относительно малых скоростях, а в повороты ложится очень плавно. Вероятнее всего инженерам Lockheed Martin так и не удалось решить проблему с перегрузками. Насколько мне известно, ещё пару лет назад для F-35 поставили временный порог перегрузки в 6G. Но, как говорится, нет ничего более постоянного чем временное. Сравните, у российских машин, да и у европейских тоже, предельная перегрузка составляет 9G. И это не предел, выше просто пилот не выдержит. А 6G - это, например, уровень советского дозвукового штурмовика Су-25..."
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Looks like it was flying a square.. How can that be? Trick camera work ? This thing looks more like a space craft than air craft !! Wow !!
I saw a diagram of his flight plan and it called for what is called a "square loop". So, your eyes were not deceiving you. It's actually a common aerobatic maneuver.
Square Loop, shows off instantaneous turn and acceleration.
It reminds me the flight of the Space Shuttle when it was going for the landing.
Tim Rutkevich - No one will ever confuse you with someone who understands aerodynamic handling. That's something, I guess. Have another shot of vodka and raise a toast to your paymaster, your Great Dictator.
StereoSpace lol. Great understator of aerodynamic handling, please enlighten me on subtle things of this flying brick
The best 🇺🇸💪
Plenty of detractors comment about its small wings when in reality having such wide fuselage makes out for it. I've seen the F-35 close up at front and it is a wide mofo. It is almost like a lifting body design.
In a word that demo was just...Wow!! I...Am...Impressed.
Still looks pretty sluggish to me. But hey, at least it didn't catch on fire while taking off this time.
1:55 Omg, you can't even hear it when it comes towards you.
Hmm I remember a Focke-Wulf Fw 190 making these moves in the early 40s.
An Air show in Paris? My God I would love that.
I believe that is Flynn in the Cockpit. About time we see him doing something outside of interviews.
THIS IS THE NEW SHIT!!!!
*Marilyn Manson song plays in the BG*!!
SU 35 at MAKS 2017!
That one is a blast!!
Lol yea lets watch more sukhois kill the crowd
И что он показал интересного?
Да лошки забугорные скушают. Не додумаются посмотреть наши пролеты и шоу)))
@@dinastylock истребител - это не пилотажный самолет- вы заметили на сирийско-турецкой границе :)
Very impressive bit of flying!
Great sound quality
Great vid
best aircraft ever
Well, it does fly though a weather balloon is more agile.
Putin ReReloaded: Your weak rhetoric does you no credit.
No need for rhetoric, this flying brick speaks for itself. By the way, did the pilot sruvive the flight? LOL
Putin ReReloaded: And still you do not learn. Pity. Or a troll, maybe.
Your helpless whining is actually teaching me something.
Awesome video!
the cow in the sky
Klim Samgin your mom is a cow on the land. Mmmm hmmm.
Oh, look, he can fly in a straight line!!!! A born killer !!!!
True
there she is in her glory
To any aerospace engineers. It seems like it has a comparatively small wing area. What affect does this have on its flight characteristics?
Basically none. It's fuselage generates more than 30 percent of its lift. It's doing manouvres that aircraft with thrust vectoring are doing. Bear in mind it's still limited to 7gs still later in the year, so it'll be able to push even harder once it's opened to 9g's in the coming months.
Беременная антилопа. И летает так-же. Нежно-нежно.
От смеха?
Если попытается сделать что то в воздухе, то может развалится)))
Таки да.
- "Испытания и опытная эксплуатация истребителей F-35 показали, что топливная система самолета, занимающая большие объемы в крыле и в фюзеляже вокруг двигателя, подвержена серьезным рискам развития катастрофического пожара или взрыва. Согласно докладу, огневые испытания показали уязвимость топливной системы от повреждений, ведущих к последовательному возгоранию топлива, пожару топливной или гидравлической систем с последующим взрывом. "
- "к устойчивому возгоранию ведет прострел воздухозаборника, из-за утечки гидравлической жидкости, а также прострел в районе перепускных створок канала воздухозаборника, из-за расположенных вокруг него топливных баков, приводя к катастрофическому повреждению планера"
- "к устойчивому возгоранию ведет прострел воздухозаборника, из-за утечки гидравлической жидкости, а также прострел в районе перепускных створок канала воздухозаборника, из-за расположенных вокруг него топливных баков, приводя к катастрофическому повреждению планера"
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Истребитель пилотов ВВС США
Ну, русских оттуда выставили, теперь самый приличный самолёт там это французкий же Рафаэль. А это.... ну, летает он заметно поприличнее чем на прошлых аэрошоу, даже какой никакой высший пилотаж присутствует, а не просто пролёты по прямой. На большее он вряд ли способен, программная компенсация и так работает с заметными тормозами.
По этому Россию и не пустили, что f-35 там будет как фанера над ........ ну поняли.
did you see it? he can fly!
bob smith Can you fly it?
Get you some! USA!! USA!!
Izno Iznogoud what tests? No link or source =full of shit. You just making stuff up
Izno Iznogoud More spurious comments with no links. Yea, we understand. Despite your presumption of ascendancy. You should not be surprised if people ask for links or sources to back up your absurd claims.
Don't be daft. The Typhoon and Rafales radar are seeing the Luneburg lenses that must be attached to the fuselage of the F35 & Raptors every time these planes train together. Claims they are seeing the planes themselves is disingenuous. Even the most basic internet search will explain this. In the Rafales gun camera footage You can actually see these Luneburg lenses. If You want to delude yourself in to actually believing this is analogous to getting a radar lock on the F35 or Raptor. Be my guest.
You are right the F35 is looking promising.th-cam.com/video/zgLjNsB_hyM/w-d-xo.html
"Rafale doesn't give a fuck about using radars" ...LOL. Good luck banning F35 from NATO/EU members. The UK, Canada, Denmark, Norway, Italy, Turkey, Australia and the Netherlands might have something to say about that. Not to mention S.Korea and Japan are NATO& EU allies. How many countries are buying Rafales? 3?
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Totally forgot Spain another NATO & EU Country wants the F35. More countries in the EU want the F35 than Rafales. Good luck wit that ban.
great demo. i want to see what a C model can do with the larger wing.
Am actually impressed by that. That pilot is a BOSS!
1. The F-35 does not meet all the requirements for the fifth generation.
2. Okay, the F-35 can fly. Why is this strange? This is Fighter plane. I did not notice anything that other (modern) fighter planes can not do. I really do not understand why some are so enthusiastic. What is innovation here?
lol... that F35 will own any fighter jet on earth if it was in a aerial fight... it would hit any other fighter jet before they even knew the F35 was there... F35 has a 20 to ONE win to loss ratio against the BEST fighter jets already in existence MASSIVE performance and stealth increase
"ol... that F35 will own any fighter jet on earth if it was in a aerial
fight... it would hit any other fighter jet before they even knew the
F35 was there.."
Not in real war. The F-35 is stealth (not invisible) only for a limited range of frequencies (X-band mostly). Modern fighters fly in formations. They are networked not only with each other, but also with radars on the ground (these are radars that use much longer waves). Even
in the case of an X-band, the stelt is effective only (and only) in
case the transmitter and receiver are at the same point.
" F35 has a 20 to ONE win to loss ratio against the BEST fighter jets
already in existence MASSIVE performance and stealth increas"
The F-35 has never been against the best fighters on the world.
Red Flag is in fact a kind of computer game. Like any computer game, this depends on the parameters that you have entered into the program of the computer. If you put 90% for BVR missiles, this does not have much to do with reality.
Look at the recording from the hearing in (I think) the American Congress. The US generate at one point says that the "bad guy" could not see the F-35 on his radar, even when he had a visual detection.
If you have an average radar (which works normally), this is even theoretically impossible. At least according to the laws that apply to our universe.
Wow, The F-35 is as maneuverable as Eurofighter Typhoon, Rafale and SU-30. It may come second only to F-22 and SU-35 in terms of maneuverbility but is far superior to Russian planes in terms of stleath and Sensors. No F-16 or Mig-29 has remote chances of facing it successfully.
Well that was a short demo, the single engine seems to do the job, but still the aircraft looks heavy and slow, as expected.
Guildou It was showing pure power, dumb ass.
Pure awkwardness, F-35 is too heavy, too bulky, it has bad aerodynamism because of it's shapes, it is underpowered by a single engine.
This plane, along with the F-22 will secure American air dominance for the next several decades.
Are you absolutely sure?
Everyone knows that the world's best aeronautical engineers spend their free time in the you tube comment battles. Notice American airshow jets land on their wheels, not in a ball of fire like SU and MiG?
По русски это называется "полёт блинчиком". Или самолёт хреновый (в пилотажном смысле) или пилот.
Whoa 😲 cool 😎 show
Izno Iznogoud No, it wasn’t. Case closed.
AWESOME JET.
Man that thing can move...not sure but I believe its the most powerful single engine fighter in the world!
Well now see that's our real power...the ability to get so many to buy, and others that want to buy a complete and utter POS....now that's a world power for ya! Sorry Adolf but how long did it take you to get all that pertinent info and find the time to give us this rendition of "I hate the F-35"? I can only surmise that the KGB trolls we hear about and oh by the way don't exist...do exist! :)
It's a shame back in BF4 we couldn't fly these like this.
Sometimes it's nice to show off after destroying your enemy with the best jet hands down out there.
Must visit the Paris Air Show one day.
Looks like wobbly ride
StigmADiabolicuM not exactly a graceful exhibition. I have a feeling that partner nations will be cutting their orders significantly. you certainly can't just believe what the USAF and Lockheed say about the aircraft, kill ratios, etc.. no air force pilot would dare criticize the airplane while serving, but once experts and foreign pilots start talking, it's going to be a firestorm.
Beside being "stealth" and have optimal electronics for usaf only all else has been down point for this plane
Jt Williams1 - Maybe you'll get lucky and they'll order 30 year old technology from Russia. But then they'd still need to retrofit them with Western avionics and engines, so don't get your hopes up.
Its nothing strange that some1 orders planes from 1 country and electronics from other and i never heard that something is wrong with russian engines after all f35 has yak-141s engine ;)
StigmADiabolicuM - You live in world constructed entirely in your imagination.
MIG-29 only!
That’s a lamb Duck against Eurofighter or best Russian Fighters or even the F16 or F18.
All the F-35 haters do not understand the purpose of this aircraft . It was not intended as a air superiority fighter . The situational awareness of the F-35 is a generation ahead of any other jet in the world . It really is not worth commenting with the all trolls that just post rhetoric and not facts .
What about just to place AEGIS in to the Cesna and that's enough?
Using targeting information transmitted from the Marine Corps F-35B, the Navy’s Aegis test site at the White Sands Missile Range, New Mexico launched an SM-6 anti-air missile and struck a Beechcraft MQM-107 target representing an adversarial fighter.
You are a lying fucking troll and you think anyone believes a word that you typed . I believe the FUCKING PILOTS THAT FLY THE JET fucktard .
The jet is flown in Red Flag exercise against NATO aircraft dumbass . Since the latest software and firmware updates it has no problem with aggressor squadron planes either . The F-35 has a 17-1 kill ratio in Red Flag exercise . When the F-35 works with the F-15 it has a 40-1 KDR .
The results of Red Flag exercises are published dumbass . Look it up yourself it you are capable.
Что у многих за мания обсирать всё чужое?Лучше бы гордились что Локхид Мартин использовали наработки и опыт ОКБ Яковлева при создании F-35,и объективно оценивали боевую технику.
The Russians are already shaking in their boots over how well the F35 performs
lol, no they're pointing their fingers and laugh...
Guildou Yes right after their own plane fails epicly in every catagory
At the moment, the most epic fail in history of aeronautic is the F-35.
Yeah more than 250 F-35s already built, more and more countries are lining up to buy the F-35. How many countries are buying the Su-35? Only China, plus a couple of other countries say are interested and nothing more. And PAK FA, don't even get me started on that lol
Countries "lined up" for F-35 are really mad actually, because the development costs are rising for years, because the delivery schedule is always more late, because of the accumulation of defects.
Russian SU-35S demonstration showed some serious maneuverable skills.
This plane doesn't have any moves. Basically, flies like every other planes out there.
Roshan Babu Sundararaj No one says it can maneuver better. Any plane enthusiast or expert knows that in today's battlefield you need tech and this plane has is loaded with the best. The SU-35 would not stand a chance if it found itself against a fleet of F-35s. If you paint a bigger picture, the F-35 can assistant in Intel collection regarding the F-35 while some F-22s sneak up. No chance
SU 35 will be always behind this cow ass
Yea no moves, just 90 degree turns xD fucking fool
There is a difference between fancy air show maneuvers and actual combat maneuvers. This isn't meant to do absurd trick maneuvers, it is meant to do combat maneuvers while carrying a payload.
For example, those SU-35's you see doing these air shows are ALL flying without weapons or extra fuel. With a combat load, they could not perform at that level.
Like that f35 flying with full fuel and weapon load.
i've seen a demo with 40years old RF4E much more dynamic...
but thanks for sharing anyway :)
Average viewers probably won't be able to make out the significance of this demonstration, but the F35 executes a couple of maneuvers here that are signature F22 Raptor moves - something that F35 critics have said would be impossible. So there isn't going to be any pilot or engineer of another nation who will watch this and take the quality of the airframe lightly.
School me up: Is this the alpha variant? It's fun to see it do a pirouette. You guys have built a great plane. Should have called it the iFighter.
If this were 1973 everything you said would be correct. This fighter is not a fighter. It is a sensor shooter. If you;'re thinking in terms of fighter aircraft you're already behind what's going on out there.
So many point you made are outdated thinking in the modern battle space. Often a new piece of hardware won't be as good as the tried and true hardware you have in place that has been refined by years of improvements. Just because muzzle loaders are tried and true and cheaper, doesn't mean that automatic machine gun shouldn't have been fielded.
The F-35 and JSF are different things. They may look that same, but the F-35 is a better aircraft than what the JSF project tested out to be. As much a difference comparing the YF-17 to the F/A-18
It doesn't turn like a dog. It has alpha performance better than the legacy planes.
The one thing you haven't mentioned is the information acquisition, interpretation and dissemination this thing has. That's what this plane is. It's like you took the E-8 Joint Stars, P-8 Posiedon and the E-3 Sentry and put it into a fighter-like platform, and made it easy to deseminate all that data to the rest the fleet in real time. It a sensor node with the ability to shoot.
F-117 was shot down because the bomb bay door were open. That's true with all "stealth" jets.Stealth doesn't mean invisible. It only means reduced detection. There is no way to hide an airplane unless you get some Romulan cloaking device like in Star Trek.
1.6 Mach is all they need right now. Besides the F-35 can supercruise. Though it wasn't designed for supercruise the shape and engine combo has proven this to be a suprecruising aircraft. That means more fuel to fight. You can't run at 2.0 Mach all day. You 15 minutes of flighttime at those speeds. That's a joke.
You're right there are lots of problems with this plane. Have the time they cant get the thing to start up. Show me any new platform that didn't have massive problems at the first.
Costs have come down to about 80 million per plane. That figure is old, dude.