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Review of the KTM 1090 Adventure R - The Future ISN'T Orange!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ต.ค. 2018
- Controversial Crumble here! He rides the KTM 1090 Adventure R for half an hour, slags it off and then takes it back. The Africa Twin rules OK!!!!
I’ve owned both bikes and the AT is soft and great for long calm rides, the 1090 is the devil that wants to rip. I sold my AT.
Haha great comment!
If you want transport buy an Africa twin if you want excitement and fun but the ktm alll dayyloooonnnnggggg plus it has tubeless tyres
the future actually is orange as Japanese bikes keep disappointing.
I've got a 1090r, done just under 5000 miles this year, including around Scotland, i love it, the balance, the power, KTM for me.
I own that exact bike and I love it!! I had been riding Honda’s since 83’ and I’m here to tell u, the ktm is a much more refined machine. I looked at Honda, triumph, and bmw and none of them come close to the ktm.
In my opinion, adventure riding is about being able to go off road and the 1090 r is the only machine that can affectively do that with the off road suspension and knobbies.
I test rode all the competition and they don’t hold a candle in the performance department. The ktm flat out rips!! I can keep up with the 200 lb bikes in the woods and say bye bye on the street and then ride to dinner. There’s no other bike that does that.
Vibey ... I don’t think so. You need to ride it again.
Grabbed me from the first ride Going on year 3. I haven't ridden the AT but it sounds like its quite a lot different. The strange thing about the 1x90 R is that the seat feels tall until you stand and ride hard off road. Once you sit back down you realize how 'in' the bike you actually are. The spread required to straddle the tank while standing is a factor, especially if you have a tank bag but its all something the melts away as you ride. Fantastic off road and on. The power, especially the 1190 is simply addicting. She can cover big miles in a hurry. Nice review.
Crumble just jeep the AT, rev it a bit more, get the suspension set for your weight, try a stunt 1 finger pull clutch lever, maybe get it tuned up then just take out the blackbird when you have power cravings that's the beauty of having two bikes.
You have it sussed mate and it sounds perfick!
Good job we're all different - be a bit boring otherwise! Jumped off my R1200GS at the same dealer, rode the same demo bike and bought one after 45 minutes. Pick it up Saturday. Awesome!
I had a AT and it was a nice looking bike but not a patch on what KTM make. Yes the AT would make a good touring bike but for real off road it's KTM every time. When did Honda last win the Dakar......
Yes I know these are not Dakar bikes but KTM use all there years of off road experience and implement them into there adventure bikes.
I currently own a Super Duke R and if I had to swap back to an adventure bike I'd have a hard decision over the 1290 Adventure and the AT Sport.
Some guys are slating the KTM for reliability but the v twin in the KTM has been around for years,it's a solid unit,but all these electronics that all bikes have now are something we should all be concerned about in the long term!
I would love to own the KTM 990 Adventure. Great looking bike and totally proven too!
@@TheCrumble Had the 990 - got an ATAS now. Does that tell you something?. Yes the 990 is fun and its a good bike but its tiring to ride - no low down torque like the AT due to lean fueling issues (emissions regs) and a throttle thats so twitchy its just tiresome at low speeds. Yes the AT isn't as powerful but its fun to ride and makes you want to keep riding, without just looking for the next overtake or long stretch so you can open it up. Another plus is the AT is more "keeping your licence " friendly!
Interesting vid. I own a 2008 R1200GS, love it to bits, can't afford a new one but my mate gave me a go on his KTM 1290 Super Adventure, christ the power was impressive, a sledge hammer of a thing, nice looking bike too! Must admit it hasn't left me wanting to change my GS though!
The GS is such a good road bike. Wouldn't mind a go on that big KTM. So bloody expensive these things though!
I love how you people in normal countries just go, pick up a bike and test it. In my country you dont get to test it even if you're buying it. You can pay for it and and test it then. And after 3 mins you know it's not the bike for you. Love it!
I own my AT 2 years now, no regrets. It's still the best bike.
Yep agreed matey!
Agreed pal, never wanted more power on or off road as I ride nobblies. I must be doing it wrong lol.
I changed my mind, lol. For the past year I've owned a KTM 1290 sas with 2 sets of rims (knobbies and street) And the funfactor on this bike is almost mindblowing.
I have been riding KTM's for the last 10 years. I understand your comments. You pick the bike that works for you. I do quite a bit of gravel roads not necessarily off-road and then the KTM suspension come alive. That is one place I think Honda cut a few corners on the Africa Twin. That is the main reason I passed on the Africa Twin. The suspension does need to sorting out if you use it off-pavement.
KTM is a good bike but like you I was pleased to get back on my AT after riding my Bro's 1090. I owned a 950 Adventure and it spent many hours in the workshops of your test ridefriends Redline! I think the journos think they get some sort of macho street cred for praising KTM.
Personally I think the most difficult thing about 'adventure bike' ownership is the tyres. More power for the road might be fun but you would really need road oriented tyres to get the most out of it.
Another good video. Thanks
Thanks for the comment Tom. Yeah agreed and when they're spending that much time being repaired they lose their appeal. I love the look of that 950 though - much nicer than the current crop of big KTMs.
If you ride mostly tarmac, AT DCT. Weekly gravel session, 1090 R every day of the week. Good honest review though.
can sense the sheer terror in your voice when that rozza pulled up!
I've been torn between two. Leaning toward the AT. Worried about KTM engine heat and now I know it's vibey. I can do the AT suspension and add some HP. Thx for the info
Just know that adding horses to the AT is a real pain in the butt. It's all based on what you want out of your bike, do you want your bike built for commuting and long distance riding or to you want a bike built to be an absolute weapon in the Baja 1000. I'd say this, if your view of fun is getting out and just riding then go with the AT. If you enjoy pushing your limits of control over a monster with 125hp at the flick of the wrist then go with the KTM.
The grass isn’t greener or oranger, as for your clutch issues as I’ve said before, get on a DCT you won’t look back!
Might try a DCT again. i had a problem with my left foot this summer and didn't ride for a few weeks.
@@TheCrumble I think dct is good for the road and certain instances on dirt but on the whole, serious dirt riders will always opt for the extra control a clutch assisted gearbox offers.
@@chrischristophers5775 Not so sure about that. A lot of hardcore riders/racers use a Rekluse.
Stop telling people or they'll all want one! The DCT is simply unbeatable off road for traction / drift and technical climbs. Err, I mean they're shit get a ktm!
They're both great bikes...and it makes complete sense that you prefer the AT. The 1090 is a total dirtbike in comparison and feels like it. The advantages are how good it works off road, which includes the "on the bike, not in it" thing (as well as the front heavy aggressive standing position) and how well it copes with being dropped. The AT absolutely hates being dropped in comparison - the KTM side panel is pennies, same crash on the AT is a dented metal tank and expensive cracked painted plastics. Coming off a road bike, the AT will feel far more familiar and comfortable. Coming off dirt bikes, the 1090 will feel WAY more familiar and confidence inspiring, especially off road. Good review, bring your AT up to Wales for a trail ride sometime! :)
Very informative, wonder who was more nervous about your test drive, the AT or the ever suffering Mrs c lol
I am happy you found your favorite bike! I used to ride Honda sport bikes while living in So CA, but after moving to remote CO with millions of off-road trails everywhere, I love my KTM 350 EXC-F for technical off-road adventures, and my 2017 KTM 1090 R for fast pavement rides to easier and non-technical off-road adventures. I have been riding motorcycles for 60 years, and having two bikes works best for me. Thanks for sharing your experience!
I bought a AT brand new in 17. A very good bike. I traded it for a 1090R. For me I love the KTM. Susp, electronics, tubeless tires,fuel range. And the power is fun. I added the dongle to save settings. Zero problems. Rear tire is soft but has really good traction. Just my opinion as I've owned both back to back
Thanks for the comment - you are very well placed to judge the two back to back!
Great review. Can you do the T700 if it ever comes out. Sorry, but your top box is a shocker ;)
My top box is terribly offended! Is that Yamaha ever coming out? I keep hearing about it but still it hasn't surfaced!
I haven’t ridden one but those KTMs don’t do much for me generally. Very happy with my 2017 Africa Twin DCT - gorgeous bike and love the character of the engine (I also have the Remus and it sounds so damn good).
Does sound great eh?! I chopped off the end of the baffle to give it a bit more growl. Bit too loud for me without the baffle in.
5:59 Crumble, why don't you just admit - you can't afford it!! :-P
Shhhhh don't tell everyone the truth!!
Lol exactly what I was thinking
Spot on Crumble... first ten minutes in my experience tells you yay or nay...! Great review, KTM, sounded awful...! Maybe a Triumph next test ride...???
Dunno about the Triumphs. I've test ridden the 800 and the 1200 in the past. Liked the big 1200 the second time I tested it - nearly bought it!
Quality vid Crumble. Asking the Motorcycle Po Po what the Merc had done was just class.
He was a proper copper that guy - total sense of humour bypass!
@@TheCrumble very old school copper, which made his brief "interview" all the funnier.
It feels sportier than you can handle...and for sure more adventurous that you could handle...and that's a good reason to pick this one instead of something else...because it will make you a better rider in the end. and if it does not work then you go to a safer choice like the CRF1000L Africa Twin.
Did exactly the same test rides a couple of months ago to choose which one of the two. Came to same conclusion for very similar reasons. Walked back into the Honda dealer and bought the AT. Commuted 2000 Miles plus some green laning since. It was the right decision.! AT is the dogs plumbs! Fitted the Honda quick shifter which adds some fizz when you ride it hard. KTM are pricing the 1090 to sell for a reason. New and apparently much better version due out next year. Peace trout. ✌️
Amazing how KTM prices come down after one year of the bike being out. mind you, the new africa twins are being given away at the moment!
Thanks for clarifying the KTM dislikes :) I recently got a 1090 (not R), and to be honest, it takes some getting used to. Wind protection is crap, the indicator switch is not where it should be, and there are a few other niggles. However, the engine being vibey is not something I recognize. In fact, it is very smooth for a big twin imho! I am pretty sure the tires on the R didn't do it justice. Still, in the end, it all comes down to personal taste. I see another bike in your future, but probably not a KTM. Keep the reviews coming!
Thanks dude! The KTM crew commenting on the vid have been very polite - says something about your average KTM owner I reckon! I would like some more time with that bike and I would definitely like to try it off road!
Good review but you can't compare a parallel twin with a V twin regarding the vibration. I know my 950 ADV has vibration under 5000rpm but over 5000rpm she sings. Also the TKC80 block tyers will give some vibration.
I bloody love that 950 Adventure -that's a proper looking bike!!
Even when the Baron got a KTM for nothing, he decided not to keep it. If a KTM was not good enough for the Grumble, how can it possibly be good enough for the Crumble?
Haha beautiful symmetry!
I only ever ride mine in Sport mode, even in torrential downpours. The more responsive and faster throttle actually gives far better control which is a bit counter intuitive
Another great video Mr.Crumble as always. That Africa Twin does look pretty good. Have u tried any of the BMW bikes? Keep up the amazing work bud!! 😄😊😁
I have ridden the GS a couple of times and my mate has one now. I might ask him if i can do a review on it. He'll love me when i start slagging his bike off haha!
Never ridden an AT just sat on one...hated it! Love KTM`s ran an 1190ADV for 4 years.
Love your vids, liked your honest review.
Vive Le Difference!!
If we all liked the same things life would be so boring!
Amen to that brother! And to be fair this is not the most objective test ever!
Nice video mate, if you want a bit more zip out of your AT, drop a cog on the front sprocket.👍
yeah been thinking about that cos i need new chain and sprockets I think. Does it out the speedo out by a lot?
The Crumble. Yes it does but lowers it so you think you are speeding when you're not. 😂🤙🤟
@@TheCrumble easily sorted with a speedo healer
A "tooth", maybe?
I love the road version of this bike. Just a real pity, KTM doesn't offer it with adjustable suspension.
I'm an off-road racer/rider and own some street bikes as well. I want an adventure bike that's a little more comfortable than the 500 EXC and has some better street manners yet can still hang in the woods on some single track. I rode the Honda, the KTM, Ducati and BMW. Some were better than others on the street, but none were better on the dirt than the KTM.
It has got the pedigree! Would love to have tried it off road!
Just buy a 690 or a husky 701 then mate
Don’t do it crumble. My Ktm broke down every 20 miles
I’ve Honda never had issue and I’d never go back to Ktm
Each to his own though bud. But be warned and don’t mention Ktm service ffs
yeah there has been quite a few comments on here about both of those things. I prefer riding to repairing so will deffo stick with the Honda!
Can I ask which model you owned that you need to service every 20 miles. My 1290 super adventure hasn't given me any problems after 3 years and thousands of miles. For me it's the best bike i've owned so far. But like you said to each his own.
Evan Whitehead it wasn’t a service it required. It just wouldn’t run more than 20 miles. Ktm 690 duke. Known fuel pump issue but Ktm didn’t give a damn 😳💩
Got 3,300 miles on 2016 1290 GT. Costly to buy new but haven't regretted it one bit. I found it easy to ride from day one (unlike a BMW Adventure 1200 I tested) and for a largish bike it handles like a dream. Like the cycle press says, it has what must honestly be one of the nicest motors on 2 wheels. The power is always there when you need it and you can get LOTS more by down-shifting a cog.) The one problem most owners have is using 6th gear, the bike just doesn't like it until travelling 85-90. Yes, it would be nice to have a handsome TFT dash a la Ducati, but what's there is adequate. I did discover (to my horror) that it's svelte 505lb weight was too heavy for me to pick up solo when I dropped it in a parking lot once - but assistance wasn't far away. Blame that on it's high CG and my 67 years of age. Not a thing has yet to break, fail or give way. Still on the original tires and brake pads (and I do ride agressively.) Did you service your KTM on schedule? Or perhaps you purchased it used from someone who didn't service it, or you may just be unlucky and got a lemon. In any case, it's a shame to paint all KTMs with the same unfortunate brush you sadly had to experience as many KTM owners are extremely happy with their purchases.
@mld yep,every KTM owner I've met has had nothing but praise for the brand, curious.......
Hey crumble, did I hear you say no to triumph ! Their 1200 scrambler's out soon which sounds promising. I use them roads. Blimey, will look out for that silver bmw now! Great honest review. KTM's have weak frames too...discuss ha ha
Yeah seen a vid somewhere of a frame snapping. Not good! Triumph not doing a lot for me recently. That Scrambler sounds fun though!
I endorse you to ride the brand new africa twin with the tablet display put it in user mode power 0 eb 2 tc 0 and you will fall in love all over again, thanks to your twin videos ive just bought myself one and collecting her on Tuesday excited is an understatement!
Good man! Tell Honda it was me what did it for you - I want some free shit haha!
@@TheCrumble we want a new review video ;)
I did exactly the same test ride with the idea of changing because I thought I was bored with the AT. Couldn't of been happier to get back on it. Feels a much more expensive bike than the KTM and I can't say I'm unhappy with the power at all.
Yeah I agree with that. The KTM has the better spec but did feel cheaper.
...great review and good to know about the undercover bike on my usual route to Luifbra!
Couldn't believe that guy - would never have taken that for an unmarked copper. Luffbra posse!
The KTM is designed mostly offroad that's why it has the engine configuration that it does. The Honda is a fantastic fire road and road bike. The ktm feels top heavy at first but it's designed for experienced off road riders, the more confident you are on it the more you relise the design is excellent. The AT is the other way round great to start with but you find its limits quickly if you like to ride hard trails off road. But if you ride on the road and light trails then the AT is great
i totally agree with that and that seems to be what people conclude about the tw bikes. the AT is soft and friendly and forgiving, bit not as focused as the KTM when it comes down to it.
We keep coming back for more, it's not the review we are interested in or the wealth of technical data that mr crumble doesn't have it's the 'adventure' it's the puddles, the sheep, the police, the innocent general public......if it wasn't funny, it would be like the rest of the bullshit reviewers out there, that know nothing about why we choose the bikes we do. We choose them because they are the right bike for us and that is good enough. Keep them coming 'crumble' and yes the africa twin rules ok!!! If you get down to Devon some time, pop in for a cup of tea.
What a great comment! Thanks very much tiger! i often watch the reviews back and wince when my lack of knowledge of the bike is revealed but i do concentrate on what it feels like. I should get down to Devon on the bike - I'm not sure I've ever ridden a bike in the south-west. Thanks for watching!
Crumble how tall are you? I am 6'3 and ride a KTM 950 Adv S and I had to make a number of changes to sort of get comfortable standing. Scotts triple clamp plus bar raisers and lower pegs. Normal bar raisers tend to bring the bar closer to you which one actually don't want. Did you have this problem on the AT? It sounds like if one is tall you will have the same problem with theKTM 1090R...
Long after yer ktm has expired under dodgy warranties in the dealers Africa twin will still be chomping along even it's only got 97BHP. ps,,,, I don't own a Africa twin...cheers from dave
Agreed! I wouldn’t touch KTM with a barge pole after a bad experience; ended up having to take the dealer to court in the end 😡 I’m never going to spend my hard-earned with them again!
87hp at the wheel still plenty though
Yep your Africa twin will be that fat comfortable reliable old housewife that’ll always be there for you especially when you come home late on a Friday evening from a hot secret date on your KTM.
haha brilliant! Loving the banter on this vid!
Any possibility of tuning the AT for a few more ponies? Love your work Crumble.
Not sure. i suppose some weight saving (from my stomach) would help!
2018 Ktm 1090r owner feels great. Pretty sure I could ride and place in an enduro on this thing. Great bike.
Shame I couldn't try this one off road!
These are two completely different ADV bikes for two completely different riders. African riders are calmer, the oranges are addicted to the throttle. that's easy to notice anywhere in the world. Of course it comes at the expense of convenience but this KTM 1090 tarmac and off-road performance provides a much higher results. best value for money from all used ADV bikes (with real off road capabilities) IMHO. I loved everything about this bike....-beside the windscreen.
Try the Multistrada 950, stick an ally bash plate on with spoked enduro wheels, near perfect power, sounds great, green lanes, handles beautifully, hours in the seat comfort.
Would love to give it a go to be fair. Not sure about the off-road thing though. The thought of dropping a Ducati is horrifying! Especially at that price!
The 1090R is superior if you ride offroad. The AT can't touch it once the pavement ends. As soon as you get on some serious single track, that dirt bike feel of the KTM chassis and suspension will take you places you would not dare to go on the AT.
Brilliant videos and reviews Crumble !
Thanks John - appreciate you taking the time to comment!
Its cool that you didn't make seeing the copper the title of the video in all caps to milk views, good stuff crumble
I believe you about the vibes, I've got a 990 superduke recently which must be a similar engine and its ridiculously vibey, fun though
i rode one of those a couple of years back and nearly bought one when i bought my Speed Triple. Great fun bike and looks cool-much nicer looking than the current Superduke in my opinion.
Crumble you clearly are no dirt rider.
Crumble, time for VFR 1200X?????? I heard its Dave's country cousin.
Love VFRs and would love a go on the 1200 actually.
Ktm all the way by a country mile, I have an Africa twin as a winter hack but it doesn’t compare to my Ktm’s 👍🏼✌️
Fantastic review 👍👍👍👍👍
G'day mate, first time watcher on your channel. If power is the only issue with your bike, is there a chance to ad a PC5 and Dyno tune it to squeeze another 10-20 horses out ?
rsm8
Thanks for watching dude! Might be better for me to lose a few pounds eh?!
Im a ktm owner, but I wont be pressing the dislike button... too much fun to watch!
I have to disagree about looks though. I think the AT has a pug nose and the ktm is sleek. I also felt that the AT was made for short riders.... too low for me.
Depends who's butt we are talking about I guess ;)
Bob Sacamano it’s too bad the AT isn’t a proper dirt bike LOL.
Thanks for stopping by Mr Nerb and for being so polite. There has been some great banter on here from KTM owners.
He old man. Lol
I am not a KTM owner but I am very close to hit the dislike button...but I won't...
Mate, if I was you I'd get the GS. Well, if it was the last bike on earth and my arthritis was so bad I couldn't walk or cycle anywhere, but yeah, that's what I'd do. Seriously though, for what you do and in the UK the AT is about perfect no? I live down south now so few to fuck all green lanes so no point but when I move back up to mid Wales I reckon the AT or maybe the new T7 have got to be the way forward.
The GS is a great road bike and if I wasn't interested in the trail stuff, I would deffo consider it. i think you're right tho - the AT ticks most of the boxes! is that T7 thing ever coming out?
I'm usually KTM all day long , they build fun into everything (had the 1290 superduke) but ended up with the AT as it jus felt so right and alot more managable off road
I think most folks would find the AT better off road than the 1290 Superduke!
Crumble i bin watching ya for years and love ya man. Why don’t ya upgrade ya africa with a decent shock, poss some headers and poss a power commander . Your love the africa even more then. Honda did a great job for the price but bike has much more to give
Jason Allgood I’m in agreement with you, I would like to see Crumble modify the AT to suit him, suspension etc...
Sounds a good idea - just need about £2k to do it. Might have to sell Dave!!!
Don’t let dave hear you saying things like that he will have ya when ya sleep
on bike number 92 now and best by far was Multi 1200 enduro but 5 hours to change air filter wasnt funny, 1190 Adv now, easy to service and a fantastic all rounder, there isnt KTM austrian word for boring lol.
I felt the Africa Twin was boring compared to the KTM 1090, i tested the AT and thought "ok this i good enough and maybe i'll buy it"... Couple of days later i tried the KTM, drove about 100 meters and thought: "Damn this is the bike im gonna have no doubt in the world" and bought it then and there...... And it is now traded in for a KTM 1290 SAS.. Damn thats a beast!
Horses for courses eh mate! That's the great thing about these bikes - so much variety and so much about personal preference!
The Crumble well the ktms (1090/1290) are objectively better than the workhorse at ;) it's not all down to personal preference.
Why didn't you turn comments on The Crash? THAT was comedy GOLD!!
Magura does a hydraulic clutch kit for the AT. But quite expensive. Meanwhile, may I advise you (and everyone else) to not lube modern teflon lined cables. Sure, it feels better short-term but it wrecks the cable longterm. Yes, even if you use PTFE spray.
Just try to keep them dry and clean and make sure it is routed properly. Makes a huge difference.
Otherwise, buy a new cable (aftermarket is hit and miss, I'd suggest OEM).
Very interesting! i think I will order a cable after your comments. I have lubed the old one but it doesn't feel great.
Interesting that. I have lubed the cable and i actually asked about it in a Honda dealer and he told me how he oils his cables. I asked him if they came pre-lubed and whether me lubing it would actually damage or impede the action of the cable and he said no. i will order a new one now I think. thanks for the comment dude!
One of the reasons I don't desire a shed load of horsepower now is for the very reason you showed, POLICE and speed cameras, radar and lots of new and interesting ways of catching you.
But if high speed is your thing best of luck.
Thank you. I will speed with your love in my heart now x
You know when a bike isn't for you, when you take it out for a test ride and end up playing in the puddles....... 😂
That is definitely a sign that it's not for you haha!
I have to say mate I've test ridden a few KTM's and I know they have good components as a whole, but they never feel right, I do think it's hype over substance. As daft as this sounds the only bike I can compare the AT to is the GS as it feels like you're sat in it, and the standing position is also good, obviously the power is far better too, it's just the dam cost of the things. As you know the AT just feels perfect and only needs a 120bhp switch for road use :)
I like the GS on road - great bike. Wouldn't fancy it on the trails though. i like the KTM brand but so many comments on here about unreliability too.
It's a shame that CRF450L is so dam expensive, as that (you would hope) would make a great green lane
Cutback crumble missed you lad
You are a very good rider.
For a scooter.....
Both are really good bikes. A lot will come down to the intended use of the owner.
Yep totally agree!
The KTM 1090 is the absolute best adventure bike for less that 10grand. The african twin is its slower less talented friend. For men over 6 ft and 200lbs the KTM is no brainer it has way better suspension, better clutch, better engine and way more bike for the money period.
Love my 1090r, Quick, comfy 4 me(6'4") and I can fix a puncture in minutes....
why is it easier to fix a puncture on the KTM? A couple of people have mentioned that.
The Crumble ......KTM is tubeless, so usually an easyish fix. AT on tubes.... wheel out etc.... Though I think you can get sealing tape stuff to convert AT rims to tubeless..
Ps my At is the 18 model which is to be fair better than the older model. Just can’t get my head around tubed tyres and 94 hip 🙈
wrong tyres for the road to start with
Mr Crumble you would totally regret selling that bike, she's a keeper. Some bikes have just got it, ya know?
Agreed Nige!
I agree with several of the comments regarding a BMW GS. Expensive old man bike for sure but don’t old men buy things that are better while young men make do with a budget? Maybe a bit heavy for your muddy roads though. The AT seems a fine bike for what you enjoy.
Yeah I think for the majority of what i do the AT ticks most of the boxes to be honest. I've ridden the GS and think it's a better road bike than the AT but i don't see it as a proper off-road option.
The AT needs 1) more power 2) cruise control 3) illuminated switchgear.
No you are not.
Would like 1& 2 but not really arsed about 3. although the illuminated lights in my Saab give me a thrill every time I switch the light on haha!
When you have ridden a bike with illuminated switchgear at night you realise all bikes should have it especially modern bikes with all their electrickery buttons. Triumph and KTM have realised this. Don't know if the new BMW 1250GS has illuminated switchgear?
I will take Honda reliability any day :)
England is the worst place to test any adventure bike. There’s nothing but pavement and tiny little gravel lanes between fields for a few 100 meters at a time that any car can make it down. it’s no surprise that the less like a Honda GoldWing any bike is, the less ppl there like them.
My review was the opposite I seen the potential of the ktm over the At , the v twin is a different beast it’s best to stretch the gears and she will be smooth and it would be a bit more viby with the tck 80 on and as for the last comment I had issues with my Honda I bought same as you it was in dealers a few times for warranty repairs inc crap wheels and switch gear , I loved the look of my At and ye engine was very smooth but you really did have to think about overtaking , I think Honda for all the hype should have spent more time on build quality when they brought them out ,I just might have kept it more than 9 months , but no regrets on my 1090 R
Just my 2 pence worth . Great vids ride safe
Steven 👍
Cheers for the comment Steven! Yeah the build quality on the AT is nothing like as good as my old Blackbird. I had issues with wheels and switch gear too. I would like more time with that KTM because an hour on it (without off-road) is not enough really. I could see the potential with the bike but that ride just didn't do it for me.
The Crumble
Hi mate yes you need to get what your happy with , why don’t you hang on till the 790 adventure or T7 yam comes out and try them , but think the yam is taking far too long
Stevie
Done some expensive mods to my 2017 AT DCT including full titanium system and ecu flash, non of which are nearly as impressive as swapping the front sprocket to a 15 teeth one, and cost peanuts.. Makes the speedo is less accurate but well worth it I think.
My AT speedo reads way fast anyway! Will look into the 15t sprocket....any problems high speed cruising?
@@glasshopper2010 no, still absolutely fine.
Dct has no issues with the sprocket change?
No issues with the dct.
I love the 1090! African twin does nothing for me and I hardly feel any vibes on the 1090. Interesting. The AT feels just like a Vstrom to me. 1090 solid performance. But interesting your opinion thanks for sharing.
I test rode this bike and it was like riding a road drill!
I bought a wooden dilldo from ktm and found it was quite vibey and gave me splinters. Ill be stickin to my crf250l shes all the girl i need.
Haha!!
Dame first like...I’m amazing. Send stickers.
I’m actually going to look at this bike on Saturday so well see, nice review!
Let us know how you get on!
Good and subjective review. And I own a KTM 690 RFR and a 1290 SAR. It all boils down to personal prefs and taste. If the AT works best for you, that's teh exact bike you shall own. Your review was a refreshing one ;-)
Thanks for the lovely comment dude!
Why didn’t you try the 1290 ? I hate a so called adventure bike, but if you are into that kind of thing then get as much power as you can.
I think the 1290 has about 160bhp. But on the plus side, you still made a good video out of an average bike ride. My best bit was the under cover cop. Big up the Loughborough massive.
Luffbra posse! Would like to try that big 1290. bet it's a beast!
Did you stop near a Tractor Mr Crumble it certainly sounds like it?
New Triumph Tiger Crumble. 👍
New one? New 800 is it?
Love to see that sir.
It is the performance that stops me going for the AT.
I've had a couple of the NC's and they perform like 125's, rode with a guy with an AT and until around 70mph, my DR350 was pacing it - and more exciting while doing it.
They need to raise the rev limiter / red line, it's a bloody joke, it's more like a car than a bike.
I love the looks of the AT, and really want to love the bike, but too much weight and lack of excitement stop me loving it..
And the 270 degree parallel twin to try and emulate a v twin...
Yeah it's a little sterile I think. i like a bit more of a thrill and a kick but this KTM didn't quite do it for me either.
I currently have a KTM 520, a DR 350 and a BMW K1200, but being 1 person I can't ride them all.
I want to get rid of the Beemer and the KTM and get a 'middle weight' Adventure bike, but IT WILL be off-roaded.
I have no idea what I want though, was thinking the older KTM 950 / 990 Adventures, but you're making me think again...
I recently tested both the AT and the 1090 off road. You can definitely ride the 1090 like a big dirt bike. Even get it airborne. The suspension is superb. However the AT still seemed very manageable but with a slight lack of compliance. The AT also sounded better than the Yoshimura that was on the 1090. It’s also a way sexier bike. My club is full of riders that ride big bikes like little bikes. Our President rides am AT in little bike sanctioned events. It’s not the bike, it’s the rider!
Here’s a clip of one of our events called the Smoking Hole Rally.
vimeo.com/270997466
What a brilliant vid mate!! Loved that - that is proper off roading in those conditions. That slow mo when the KTM went down was brilliant. that's how it goes sometimes eh?! and some of that water was ridiculously deep! Thanks for the share. Definitely agree that the rider is the limiting factor - I just haven't got the balls for the proper stuff haha!
Nice Video
Stick with the Honda crumble. I have 2 like you. From a fan in bingham.
Bingham posse!!
what you mean when you say "it needs a can" at min 5:28 ?
exhaust
Hi Crumble,
I noticed the roads are around Loughborough. Where do you take it off road around there? Cheers
Chub Miller Hi matey! Most of the off road I do is round Grantham. Vale of Belvoir has plenty of stuff. Some of my more recent off road stuff has them on. If you can check out an OS map for that area you’ll see plenty of byways and unclassified roads 👍🏻
@@TheCrumble thanks Crumple, picking up my new Tiger 800 xca next week and fancy giving it a bash. Better pop into WHSmith and get a map then. Keep the vids coming, funny real world reviews 🤣👍
Chub Miller I recommend an OS app called Outdoors GPS. You need to subscribe for the year - maybe £15ish now but you get unlimited OS maps and you can download to your phone.
@@TheCrumble cheers Crumble. Top man 👍
You've tried the big Triumph 1200 and 800 explorer. Try the Beemer 1200GS think you'll be surprised, I know I was. Get down to Roy Pidcock in Long Eaton.
I have ridden one a couple of times and i do like it a lot. Not for me though. Not keen on the looks and I do like the off-road capability of the AT.
Your AT will always be way smoother, way softer, way easier to ride than the KTM, but that's not what the KTM is about. KTM is about performance, (ready to race) and you've got to sacrifice quite a bit for that. The 1290 SAS is not much less vibey than the 1190 and I'd guess 1090 too, and the 1290 won't be as smooth as the AT. My mate has an AT and I enjoy riding it everytime I get too, but I wouldn't have one, I love my KTM's. Each to their own 👍 I think no less of you for crapping out on KTM 😂
Thanks for the comment Nick. I would really like to take the KTM off-road but tricky on a test. I think the KTM is better for the more experienced rider and the AT is nice and soft for those rather new to the off-road thing. My test was pretty crap to be fair - I would like a day with that bike to have a proper play.
Cracking vid, friend. ;-)
Cheers matey!!
Not everyone can afford a new bike ,in the real world we're looking at bikes a few years old, how have they fared? well in ktms case not well,all i hear about is mechanicals,overpriced repairs and awful ignorance from ktm .I also recently test rode one and can't say i was at all impressed, why should you need to spend thousands on upgrades when these expensive machines are meant to be "ready to race"