@@tomboy1875 I am now replacing my 10 year old 351W with a cast crank and beam-ground and weight matched but stock rods, which has survived 7500 RPM shifts 1000 times plus. So why am I replacing it? Going with a 438" Windsor. 359 wasn't big enough for a 3000 pound pickup. Not a problem. So...keep playing that BS, but put your ear buds in so nobody else has to hear it.
oldmusher oldmusher whoopty doo good for you bud lol. Will say I won’t speak on a Windsor since I’ve never seen one throw down. I was more or less speaking on the poor mans build in my eyes which is a junkyard iron block truck motor and throw some power adders at her until I get to happy with the tune and grenade it. Then I turn around and do it all over. 500 a motor isn’t bad at all lol. I’ve tried a 4.6 and had several coyote f-150’s I let my guys use in the log woods and both the coyotes shit themselves around 100-120k miles and the 4.6 did the same when I pushed it past 500 horses on stock internals. You know what is still getting abused like no other and still kicking though?? The handful of Chevy trucks and even the two damn dodges I have which is a damn good surprise. The ford guy actually came buy my shop the other day trying to sell me more work horses and I laughed in his face.
Mike Oxlong Chebby guys all day long. Be in denial all you want but I rarely ever see anyone throwing bulky ass ford motors in chevys lol. Damn sure see alota LS powered ford though.
What a stupid comment, idiots like you are why it's so hard to find stuff in junk yards now. "Haha, look what happens when I hold it wide open in neutral!" Fn idiot!
What a stupid comment, idiots like you are why it's so hard to find stuff in junk yards now. "Haha, look what happens when I hold it wide open in neutral!" Fn idiot!
More cam and bigger heads on the 302 so it will make peak hp at 7500. The stock short block will hold together. Ps if anyone really wants you to use an old Chevy 302 you would have to compare it to a boss 302 Ford you can even run stock heads on them and just add more camshaft and nitrous. Boss 302s really enjoy nitrous.
Mmmmm what some bigbangs and Explosions with pistons and rods going everywhere that woukd be cool. I love his set up love to have a kit like that to test on . I see his go a msd box all the gauges I do like his garage
Not that impressed with the Ford, and I'm a Ford guy. Ran a 306 till it's tongue hung out. Ported 289 HP with bigger valves. RPM airgap, Fred Flintstone cam from the 70's. Did the math with weight and times slips and got 368hp at the back tires. Wilma Flintstone tried to take the engine, swore it was part of the divorce settlement with Fred. Drove it down every time on drag radials, ran the turd on motor, drove it back. Not earth shattering, but all recycled parts, cam was TRW tp109. At $750
Well...I AM a Ford guy, and I was whining at the lame heads, cam and intake. So... that was fun, now try a 351W against a 350 Blow tie. I think Nitrous wins this one.
As a (more or less) Chevy guy, I will gladly cede 5.0L pushrod superiority to Ford. The cute bore of the Chevy 5.0L really hobbles it in terms of making power; IMO using a 305 outside of a truck application is just using the wrong tool for the job.
@Jeff Kopis Not the two valve pieces... those things were dogs, even though the OHC design let them place the valves in a more advantageous location than a pushrod design would have. Valve shrouding against the bore wall... the struggle is real! But yeah, multiple cams/valves, boost, and RPM work wonders for making power. :-)
@Jeff Kopis True; they at least closed in on making 1 hp per inch. Unfortunately, that was at the same time that GM was rolling out the LS-powered F-bodies...
The 307 Olds, 318 Dodge, and 301 Pontiac’s were battling the 305 Chevy and 302 Ford’s in the 80’s. Let see how the 1980 “other guys” V8’s did against the Ford and Chevy.
The 301 was in the Pontiac A/G-Body cars (Grand Prix, Grand Am, & LeMans) and was one of the rare GM A/G-Body cars with a V8 4 Speed Standard option. The 1978 Grand Am CA is one cool car! I know they might not have the same power potential of the 302 Ford and 305 Chevy but that’s why they are the “Other Guys”!! I really enjoy your videos but to be honest I get more excited to see 10 pounds of boost on the “Other Guys” than another boring 1000HP LS motor.
I've always been a GM or Mopar guy but having owned a 1985 Trans Am with a TPI 305 I found it to be far from great. Just didn't understand GM going with a small bore long stroke set up like they did. Even the old 307 with a 3.875 bore and a 3.25 stroke would have been better. That small 3.736 bore from the old 1955 265 in my view just didn't breath well.
Robert Elmo my buddy had a 307 in a ‘70 g10 van and we threw a cam, intake and 4 barrel on it, as well as a built th350 and welded the rear diff. couldn’t find headers to fit because of the narrow frame rails, but it made decent power for what it was. People gave the craziest looks when we were doing donuts in a Burger King parking lot
Richard Holdener I would love to see you do an episode of “The Other Guys” featuring the 307. Nobody wants them and they can be picked up dirt cheap if not for free. I always felt they had more HP potential than the 305 especially with the shorter stroke and slightly larger bore (ie higher rpms). I personally think the 305 is a lazy lethargic turd and strongly believe the 302 Ford will stomp the guts out of a 305. And I’m mostly a Chevy guy.
@@richardholdener1727 If you ever get the chance you should do a 334 Stroker (305 with a 400 crank) I would love to see how something like this would perform I would also be interested to see how it would perform up against your avarage 350
I saw a dyno test done that once before and the Victor jr beat the funnel web, which I found sort of surprising. On this particular dyno test I would put more cam and run a super Victor and rev it to 7500. I have run many stock 302 short blocks that high over the years and I've never blown one up.
Richard Holdener , If it’s a new test and spacers are included, I’d like to see an HVH super sucker upside down on the funnel web. Joe Sherman said running the spacer upside down would make quite the difference.
Using a dz 302 from the transam era would have been unfair for the 5.0 Ford . you would go back to Chevy 302 vs Boss 302 which you already done a video on. We all know how that ended.
Do another video on the 305 chevy with a Super victor jr or a Speed Master Hurricane intake, a different cam and then use NOS and then turbo. I wanna see if it makes over 700hp
A rich compare the 454 chevy with you 455 Buick and let's see the chevy guys get pissed even though the 455 weather its buick olds or Pontiac yea come on
Hi ,Rich.... Ask a question? You ARE NOT PUSSYFOOT THE 300 FORD I-6 It has a you tube record FRONT engined dragster record of 7:34@ 173+. AIN'T NO SCANT OR BOWED TYE SLICKS NEAR IT. IF YOU MUST i can pass along some 300 tips i have seen God bless. BRIAN. ,
I'm interested to see all of your dyno runs. I love experimenting and if I had a dyno and access to parts I would do exactly what you're doing so the more the merrier. Thanks for the vids and can't wait to see that 429!!
Click bait! I didn't see a single rod shoot out of a block! Seriously though i'm surprised the 305 did that well. Generally when somebody on the Squarebody pages asks "I'm looking to get more horsepower out of my 305 what should I do?" The answer is almost always "Put in a 350," lol.
the obvious "swap a 350" is a lame ass stupid answer and obvious ONLY if you have a 350 in the hole already,dumb people didn't realize the 305 can dance and if it pops ,everything swaps over to a 350 quite easily.
Could you do a video on centrifugal blowers and water mater/meth? I am struggling with my IAT’s because of poor intercooler placement and turning my centri blower outside of its efficiency range (max rpm Novi 1500). I am messing around with injection points now. I’m trying spraying directly into compressor now. Too much water seems to cool temps but extinguish flame front. Will try strait meth but have to find it first. Thanks! I recommended your videos to to my mechanic friend and he loves them!
It's all right Richard, chevy guys don't get that the world doesn't run around the sbc, I mean if they want to have a pissing contest about which is better, I'll only need 2 points to shoot them down, 1 dem heads.. and 2 what moron in the 50's thought putting the oil pump and distributor as far away from the leverage point of the timing chain was a smart idea, Then you watch them founder and flail and it's kinda fun, we wont get into nascar and which side the fuel pumps are located on but... you get the basic idea. And for you chevy guys, remember the cleveland ford? Yeah.. I thought you would. Altho to be fair, the cleveland fords did have a few problems in racing 1 the blocks and oiling system, and ford had to really ruin the exhaust port because of that age old shock tower design they had used for way way to long. So have a bone.
you sure that's a tuned port engine not a TBI one? I thought lb9s were flat topped. also great to see a 276hr in a 305. thought it would be a great cam for one. any idea on idle vacuum?
Have you ever run an air filter test? See how much a standard air filter lowers power, standard paper clean and dirty. K&N clean and dirty. Really curious. Any engine you are running on the dyno, just strap on any similar sized filters.
Use the m90 on a 4.8 to see just how much nitrous can be shoved in an engine under ideal conditions before the rods exit the block. It may not make boost but it will keep the nitrous from backing out the intake.😂
Yeah that wire is just hanging there out of the distributor , down by the head . You had sounds of an engine running ! Are we being played or was that to make it more even ? Lol I'm going to get "h"
Do you have a similar TFS-SBF combo with the typical EFI 5.0l style mega plenum intake(like a TFS Track Heat or similar) that you could add to the Funnel Web-dual plane comparison too? It isn't going to be a "fair" or "equal" comparison due to the charge air cooling effects of carbs vs EFI obviously - but what I'm interested in seeing is how the CURVE of an EFI 5.0l style intake compares to the curves of the traditional single & dual planes(surely must be closer to a dual down low with those runner lengths - but maybe they breathe better than a dual up top?). I have a TFS EFI intake with a cracked plenum mounting flange corner and have been wondering if just swapping the intake out for a single plane with injector bungs(an EFI Funnel Web? hhhmmm...) would be worth doing, since it's primarily a drag car... ...and, frankly, those absolutely gigantic EFI plenums are REALLY annoying to deal with/work on/work around, they're just so damn HUGE! (this is assuming that you don't have a comparable EFI single plane test that could be used for a better comparison to the stock style EFI intake of course)
@@richardholdener1727 NICE! Looking forward to more SBF content! Well, looking forward to more content in general - but, still, more SBF content, WOOOOO!
Did you run the ZEX plate on top of that four hole spacer? Would that affect the nitrous distribution or cause puddling on top of the spacer? I would like to know because I'm running a dual plane intake with a NOS 150 shot plate and I've been wondering about carb spacers.
@@richardholdener1727 I have the NOS spray bar plate mounted on top of a half inch open spacer. Several guys told me that since I run a dual plane intake I would have distribution problems with the nitrous unless I ran an open spacer to aid in evening out the distribution. They also told me not to run over a 150 shot on a dual plane. Is this stuff true? You seem to be VERY knowledgeable about engines and nitrous. I would love to see tests on spacers and especially a test with dual planes and nitrous.
I do think you need to throw a 302 Chevy together now so that we can see if it’s truth or myth that the bigger bore 302 compared to 305 is what makes the difference so we can run big valves. You gotta do It Richard! Pretty please. You’re the best. Love the content. Thanks for making my days better.
I've always loved an underdog or the non mainstream stuff that's why I've always thought a stroker 305 would be neat I think the 383 version of a 305 is a 334... Obviously doing the same work to a 350 is way more bang for the buck and I would go that way also but it's nothing exciting super coming. But if I had disposable money I'd build a stroker 305 for kicks toss it in a nice daily gen 3 or Monte SS or something
of course we want to see it Richard!!! We want to see everything. I just saw a video from motion raceworks saying that each 90 degree bend in intercooler piping loses a pound of boost. I think that would be cool if you would do a test on that and see if it is actually true or not.
@@richardholdener1727 Yea I didn't think so. I would think that most of the pressure loss would be in the intercooler and not in the piping. I don't know why they would just make something like that up though.
@@richardholdener1727 nice! Dang you actually responded LOVE the quality content !!! I wish you go do a big bang on the good ol mitsubishi 4g63 from the 90's 😊🙂
Richard I would love to see the spacer test, I have a stock bottom end 87 302 HO, AFR 185s, XE274HR, Yes I fly cut pistons Weiand Stealth with a Holley 650 double, stock duraspark setup. I put on a 1 inch open spacer and it really woke it up in my opinion. I was always curious as to what if any the difference is. Love your content always look forward to new and interesting tests.
7:22. I've got those heads on my centrifugal supercharged 350. I needed the smallest chamber I could find to bump the compression ratio to 9.17:1. 56cc chambers. I have an HD 4 bolt tbi 350. Low compression, 8.4:1 with 64cc chambers. 190hp stock. She was a turd. Now she's a ripper.
@Jeff Kopis its going in a jeep and it has a pretty tall engine bays so should have the room, but ill cut a hole in any hood if its worth the power. Curious how much low end the single plane will sacrifice
@@jimbo8v92 the single plane sacrifices too much down low. Possibly the single most costly mod that makes your components mismatched, right there with a giant bumpstick.
@Jeff Kopis its definetly no rock crawler lol only has 33's. ocasionally go down trails nothing crazy though. just going to be a fun street toy until i find something cooler to put it in
Chev guys will complain. Back in the 80s the only way they could beat the 302 was with a 350.....GM wanted them to pay to play....Don’t think the 305 was ever developed to beat the 302....extra 3 cid and all.
When I was poor, I used to run nitrous. And then I got a real job and bought a blower. Haha just kidding. Just for safety reasons you should be running two 10lb lb bottles, that way you don't have line pressure loss. Thank you for the great videos
What’s is the longest running nitrous engine? Meaning has anyone made an engine love using nitro other than a weekend of thrills , has anyone ever used nitrous once a week for five years or like 50,000 miles .. I k ow if tuned it will last but real world real people I’d like to see that a long term evaluation of a nitrous tune that is conservative and allows the engine to be enjoyed , Having something that could grenade at anytime has got to be nerve racking for us fellas that don’t have 5k in the bank for a new motor ..... just curious If any has ever had a high mileage engine on juice
I ran my 5.0L Mustang on NOS nitrous for over 2 years-it works fine if tuned right-also ran a Vortech -for the rest of the 85,000 miles-I pulled that motor and ran it endlessly on the Westech dyno for years with all kinds of mods
Richard Holdener wow , that is impressive sir, I guess urban legends , and old timers had me convinced it would blow up all the time any time . You obviously have years of experience and many miles under your belt and lots of tools in your cabinet and can tune a car to be perfect , is this kinda tune generally known? Is it something that can be used across the board in terms of being fool proof , if you do x and y the result is always the same ? I find it fascinating to be able to add that much power , and it’s been a pleasure watching all your videos thank you very much for taking time out to answer , truly awesome sir.
Really didn't get baited. Ford 5.0 with nitrous... I'll watch. 305 with nitrous... I'll probably still watch, even though sbc or ls with anything is pretty much always a rerun. 5.0 chevy Ford nitrous, well yeah I'm here aren't I? I'm more into power adders that work all the time, not just a short burst when your bottle is full. But not averse to nitrous. And engine stuff in general is always good.
VERY SORRY, RICH.... COMPUTER PROBS.. PLEASE LET ME RE-SEND MY ORIGINAL MESSAGE. "HEY, RICH.... YOU ARE NOT GONNA EASY BUILD THAT 300? FROM MANY race attendences thru the 60's to today i have seen in a you tube (i WILL SEARCH IT OUT) video a 300 powered front engined dragster that, in tgis video, ran a 7.34 e t.@173 ÷ quarter. There currenty is a 9 sec. 300 pwd . Maverick that runs in the 9's on a DT-66 turbo. Wonder what you could DO with one. My apologizes Brian .
In the first test is there supposed to be a dangling spark plug wire? Is it connected to the cap? How much power loss is there with 1 less cylinder firing?
I do like to see another test with carb spacers, I assume you already had filmed this and that's OK, I like to see what it does to this particular setup you tested as I have seen results on bigger engines, I notice as well you have different collector extension lengths and I have heard the different theories about how to select these lengths but I have never seeing actual results on a Dyno, same as carb spacer I have seen some results on Dyno but not actually trying to mimic a open plane intake by using a dual plane with different open spacers in order to have the torque advantage of a dual plane and the HP advantage of a open plane intake, I normally see 3/4" and 1" open spacers tested but what about going to 1 1/2" or 1 3/4" how much does it change if at all, same for headers collector extensions how much does it change and where do you want to start sacrificing TQ and HP over each other through these collector extensions, I know each engine have its own requirements and what works with one will not necessarily work for other, but still it will be interesting to see the results with a particular setup.
The Ford and Chevy 5.0 were similar power wise. What really made the difference between head to head shootouts with the Camaro and the Mustang back then was not the Engine, but the chassis. The Camaro just could not compete with the lightweight Fox chassis Mustang. Similar engine power, lighter weight. Mustang wins. Very similar to the current battle between the Mustang, Camaro and the Hellcat.
I’m not a Ford, Chevy, or rotary guy. I’m a “modify the piss out of it” kinda guy. Even my lawn mower is modded.
Same here! I'm pretty sure I have the only modded push mower in this neighborhood.
What did you guys do to your lawn mowers? Lol
I just lowered my mower LOL
I Tennesee Tilted/ Carolina Leaned my push mower. 🤣
I wanna know when we get to see some rotory dyno tests
"Not a Ford guy not a Chevy guy....
I'm and engine guy". 👍
I’m a reliable engine guy. Something I can throw power adders at on stock internals which makes it damn near impossible to be a ford guy lol.
@@tomboy1875 I am now replacing my 10 year old 351W with a cast crank and beam-ground and weight matched but stock rods, which has survived 7500 RPM shifts 1000 times plus. So why am I replacing it? Going with a 438" Windsor. 359 wasn't big enough for a 3000 pound pickup. Not a problem. So...keep playing that BS, but put your ear buds in so nobody else has to hear it.
oldmusher oldmusher whoopty doo good for you bud lol. Will say I won’t speak on a Windsor since I’ve never seen one throw down. I was more or less speaking on the poor mans build in my eyes which is a junkyard iron block truck motor and throw some power adders at her until I get to happy with the tune and grenade it. Then I turn around and do it all over. 500 a motor isn’t bad at all lol. I’ve tried a 4.6 and had several coyote f-150’s I let my guys use in the log woods and both the coyotes shit themselves around 100-120k miles and the 4.6 did the same when I pushed it past 500 horses on stock internals. You know what is still getting abused like no other and still kicking though?? The handful of Chevy trucks and even the two damn dodges I have which is a damn good surprise. The ford guy actually came buy my shop the other day trying to sell me more work horses and I laughed in his face.
Tomboy187 - what a load of bullshit, chebby guys sure do have a good imagination
Mike Oxlong Chebby guys all day long. Be in denial all you want but I rarely ever see anyone throwing bulky ass ford motors in chevys lol. Damn sure see alota LS powered ford though.
Not really a shootout until the rods are hanging out the sides of both of them. 😈
That’s what I’m talking about
Until there are no more blocks for people to axtually use... That's just stupid. Factory blocks are a finite resource.
What a stupid comment, idiots like you are why it's so hard to find stuff in junk yards now. "Haha, look what happens when I hold it wide open in neutral!" Fn idiot!
What a stupid comment, idiots like you are why it's so hard to find stuff in junk yards now. "Haha, look what happens when I hold it wide open in neutral!" Fn idiot!
YES I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A VIDEO ON THE SPACERS
I second that!!
I third it!!
I fourth it
only 4-come on guys!!!
@@seabasschukwu6988 go on then I 5th it lol . Love nos who dont 😁
I have both of these engines and several rotaries too, and I love them all. That probably makes me a Ford/Chevy/rotary guy then...
Nah you just love screamers
This is the best god damn channel on youtube 🤘😎🤘
ABSOLUTELY!!!
Hands down!
More cam and bigger heads on the 302 so it will make peak hp at 7500. The stock short block will hold together.
Ps if anyone really wants you to use an old Chevy 302 you would have to compare it to a boss 302 Ford you can even run stock heads on them and just add more camshaft and nitrous. Boss 302s really enjoy nitrous.
The DZ vs Boss 302 video is up too
@@richardholdener1727 oh cool! You've had some great videos
Love the videos, but why not hit the nitrous down around 4,000. That seems to be where you would hit it on the street
Alright Richard time for some fail videos
Mmmmm what some bigbangs and Explosions with pistons and rods going everywhere that woukd be cool.
I love his set up love to have a kit like that to test on . I see his go a msd box all the gauges I do like his garage
Agreed. Learn more from failures than victories!.
Richard's ROLLIN' in his
5.0 with the drop top down so this dome can glow! NOS, NOS, baby. :)
BlindBatG34 Mr.Clean
Not that impressed with the Ford, and I'm a Ford guy. Ran a 306 till it's tongue hung out. Ported 289 HP with bigger valves. RPM airgap, Fred Flintstone cam from the 70's. Did the math with weight and times slips and got 368hp at the back tires. Wilma Flintstone tried to take the engine, swore it was part of the divorce settlement with Fred. Drove it down every time on drag radials, ran the turd on motor, drove it back. Not earth shattering, but all recycled parts, cam was TRW tp109. At $750
Well...I AM a Ford guy, and I was whining at the lame heads, cam and intake. So... that was fun, now try a 351W against a 350 Blow tie. I think Nitrous wins this one.
As a (more or less) Chevy guy, I will gladly cede 5.0L pushrod superiority to Ford. The cute bore of the Chevy 5.0L really hobbles it in terms of making power; IMO using a 305 outside of a truck application is just using the wrong tool for the job.
@Jeff Kopis Not the two valve pieces... those things were dogs, even though the OHC design let them place the valves in a more advantageous location than a pushrod design would have. Valve shrouding against the bore wall... the struggle is real! But yeah, multiple cams/valves, boost, and RPM work wonders for making power. :-)
@Jeff Kopis True; they at least closed in on making 1 hp per inch. Unfortunately, that was at the same time that GM was rolling out the LS-powered F-bodies...
What compression did each engine's have. Nitrous is awesome lol thanks for the uploads Richard
The 307 Olds, 318 Dodge, and 301 Pontiac’s were battling the 305 Chevy and 302 Ford’s in the 80’s. Let see how the 1980 “other guys” V8’s did against the Ford and Chevy.
what was the 301 Pontiac in except the Turbo Trans Am?
The 301 was in the Pontiac A/G-Body cars (Grand Prix, Grand Am, & LeMans) and was one of the rare GM A/G-Body cars with a V8 4 Speed Standard option. The 1978 Grand Am CA is one cool car! I know they might not have the same power potential of the 302 Ford and 305 Chevy but that’s why they are the “Other Guys”!! I really enjoy your videos but to be honest I get more excited to see 10 pounds of boost on the “Other Guys” than another boring 1000HP LS motor.
I've always been a GM or Mopar guy but having owned a 1985 Trans Am with a TPI 305 I found it to be far from great. Just didn't understand GM going with a small bore long stroke set up like they did. Even the old 307 with a 3.875 bore and a 3.25 stroke would have been better. That small 3.736 bore from the old 1955 265 in my view just didn't breath well.
you had an automatic with the peanut cam....cam swap,better gears,better exhaust=ford killer
Personally, I’d like to see the mods performed on the 305 done to a 307.
Yes, BOTH of you out there that modded a 307 out there would like to see it lol..
Robert Elmo Hmmmm...... It’s a 283 with a 327 crank. To me, it would have more potential than a 305 with it’s tiny bore and 350 crank.
Robert Elmo my buddy had a 307 in a ‘70 g10 van and we threw a cam, intake and 4 barrel on it, as well as a built th350 and welded the rear diff. couldn’t find headers to fit because of the narrow frame rails, but it made decent power for what it was. People gave the craziest looks when we were doing donuts in a Burger King parking lot
the 307 might allow other head choices
Richard Holdener I would love to see you do an episode of “The Other Guys” featuring the 307. Nobody wants them and they can be picked up dirt cheap if not for free. I always felt they had more HP potential than the 305 especially with the shorter stroke and slightly larger bore (ie higher rpms). I personally think the 305 is a lazy lethargic turd and strongly believe the 302 Ford will stomp the guts out of a 305. And I’m mostly a Chevy guy.
Richard, with the ford motor, was there any piston notching required with the tfs heads 11 r heads, and stage 2 tfs cam???
NO-IT FIT
@@richardholdener1727 ok. Thank you for the quick response.
@@GearheadRob319 I used the 11r 190s and when I measured ptv clearance I had a ton of room.
@@richardholdener1727 If you ever get the chance you should do a 334 Stroker (305 with a 400 crank) I would love to see how something like this would perform I would also be interested to see how it would perform up against your avarage 350
I told them not to sleep on the 305 or the 302. Thanks Richard👍🏿
Would love to see some dual plane spacer test! Hard to beat a performer rpm on these little motors in my opinion.. ty for the content Richard
Great video. In the process of building a 305 right now and this has helped a lot
Gotta complain.....you didn't give the Chebby a chance naturally aspirated. 40 hp down? Foul.😣
I like all engines as well. I am Big Block fan more. Cause i like torque. Just wondering could try a 318 (5.2L) Chrysler V8 ?
I'd like to see the new-ish trickflow power ports tried out on a 318.
Future vid? Budget Nitrous from compressed O2 from all those O2 breathers... The only silver lining the C19 is cheap O2 for your car and oxy torch.
I'd like to see a Funnelweb VS Victor Jr shoot out, I think the Victor Jr. would lose.
I'm including that in the test
@@richardholdener1727 need to do a shootout between them both as cast and ported
I saw a dyno test done that once before and the Victor jr beat the funnel web, which I found sort of surprising. On this particular dyno test I would put more cam and run a super Victor and rev it to 7500. I have run many stock 302 short blocks that high over the years and I've never blown one up.
Richard Holdener gap the rings on both engines and do a big bang on both.
Richard Holdener , If it’s a new test and spacers are included, I’d like to see an HVH super sucker upside down on the funnel web. Joe Sherman said running the spacer upside down would make quite the difference.
Using a dz 302 from the transam era would have been unfair for the 5.0 Ford . you would go back to Chevy 302 vs Boss 302 which you already done a video on. We all know how that ended.
Do another video on the 305 chevy with a Super victor jr or a Speed Master Hurricane intake, a different cam and then use NOS and then turbo. I wanna see if it makes over 700hp
I love chevy...but 305s are trash lol. And you couldve built a 302 from a 327/350 block and a 283 crank
Mmm clearly not a rotary guy... Your a cams guy, heads guy, roller rocker guy, springs guy.... Where are the rotary videos?
Carb spacer test I’ll watch. Dual plane low end but curious if those spacers bumped it up.
A rich compare the 454 chevy with you 455 Buick and let's see the chevy guys get pissed even though the 455 weather its buick olds or Pontiac yea come on
Idk how gm got away with puttin 305 in stuff when it was so gutless ss monte was embarresing to drive! As was the camaro
Am I seeing things or was the 302 Ford missing the number 8 plug wire? Looks like it’s hanging down in front of the cylinder head...
Wtf I noticed that too
Would Definitely like to see a manifold and spacer comparison. Great video as always.
Hi ,Rich....
Ask a question?
You ARE NOT PUSSYFOOT THE 300 FORD I-6
It has a you tube record FRONT engined dragster record of 7:34@ 173+.
AIN'T NO SCANT OR BOWED TYE SLICKS NEAR IT.
IF YOU MUST i can pass along some 300 tips i have seen
God bless.
BRIAN. ,
what is the ?
I'm interested to see all of your dyno runs. I love experimenting and if I had a dyno and access to parts I would do exactly what you're doing so the more the merrier. Thanks for the vids and can't wait to see that 429!!
I wish you could test a sprint car (Race Saver) spec 305. They're pretty impressive for an engine so many say can't make any power.
any motor can make power
@@richardholdener1727 it's just tough explaining that to guys who've heard otherwise their entire life
Click bait! I didn't see a single rod shoot out of a block! Seriously though i'm surprised the 305 did that well. Generally when somebody on the Squarebody pages asks "I'm looking to get more horsepower out of my 305 what should I do?" The answer is almost always "Put in a 350," lol.
the obvious "swap a 350" is a lame ass stupid answer and obvious ONLY if you have a 350 in the hole already,dumb people didn't realize the 305 can dance and if it pops ,everything swaps over to a 350 quite easily.
Awesome content, what did you gap your rings to for the 302 for the 125 shot? Just wondering what your looking for for adding clearance. Thanks.
THEY WERE AT .025 WHEN BUILT
Could you do a video on centrifugal blowers and water mater/meth?
I am struggling with my IAT’s because of poor intercooler placement and turning my centri blower outside of its efficiency range (max rpm Novi 1500). I am messing around with injection points now. I’m trying spraying directly into compressor now. Too much water seems to cool temps but extinguish flame front. Will try strait meth but have to find it first.
Thanks!
I recommended your videos to to my mechanic friend and he loves them!
thnx
I want to see a test done on a Ford 3.8 v6 like a 2000 out of the v6 mustang
Or a supercoupe engine perhaps. Would be interesting to see how much power it would make and how many head gaskets it would blow.
Great test good to see. What hp. Do you think with stock heads on the 305??
Any testing on spark plug wire size or type? What about different plug materials?
almost no power in different plugs unless there is a misfire
different plugs being better is a myth
Yes please on the sbf carb intake tests.
I like all different engines from the big 3 manufacturers.
It's all right Richard, chevy guys don't get that the world doesn't run around the sbc, I mean if they want to have a pissing contest about which is better, I'll only need 2 points to shoot them down, 1 dem heads.. and 2 what moron in the 50's thought putting the oil pump and distributor as far away from the leverage point of the timing chain was a smart idea, Then you watch them founder and flail and it's kinda fun, we wont get into nascar and which side the fuel pumps are located on but... you get the basic idea. And for you chevy guys, remember the cleveland ford? Yeah.. I thought you would. Altho to be fair, the cleveland fords did have a few problems in racing 1 the blocks and oiling system, and ford had to really ruin the exhaust port because of that age old shock tower design they had used for way way to long. So have a bone.
both are good
Yes we want to see everything, stop asking, so many are into one or all combinations just like you
302 Ford awesome 305?Chevy ok guess
What's the most cam you have run with 2.02/1.60 aluminum heads on stock piston explorer motor without hitting valves?
depends on head used and exact cam specs (Valve angle and wider lsa improve P-V
Cool to see a 305 make 500 hp!
you sure that's a tuned port engine not a TBI one? I thought lb9s were flat topped.
also great to see a 276hr in a 305. thought it would be a great cam for one. any idea on idle vacuum?
I removed the TPI-motor was factory fresh
I know exactly how much a Ford 5.0 will take. We broke 5 blocks in half.
Jon Doe poor tuning
coyote 5.0 nope. Just wayyy to good at making huge power.
Have you ever run an air filter test? See how much a standard air filter lowers power, standard paper clean and dirty. K&N clean and dirty. Really curious.
Any engine you are running on the dyno, just strap on any similar sized filters.
engine masters did that
A 305 Chevy versus a 302 Ford the Ford will win buy true comparison you need to source you at a 302 Chevy the real 5 liter in a Chevrolet lineup
5.0L vs 5.0L as offered in the 1980s and 90s (they stopped making the 302 Chevy back in 1969
Use the m90 on a 4.8 to see just how much nitrous can be shoved in an engine under ideal conditions before the rods exit the block. It may not make boost but it will keep the nitrous from backing out the intake.😂
Yes please for the carb spacers.
Bore and stroke ib different, Not a comparison.
Yeah that wire is just hanging there out of the distributor , down by the head . You had sounds of an engine running ! Are we being played or was that to make it more even ? Lol I'm going to get "h"
count the wires-none are missing-and there is 1 extra
i can say im more of a ford guy but my question is why even bother wuth the old small block chevy when the LS is just a superior engine.
lots of things can be good
Turbo the 305. Open up the the ring gap and go for it.
How come torque falls during the duration of a nitrous shot instead of climb like the horsepower?
the torque and HP take a jump upon activation
Do you have a similar TFS-SBF combo with the typical EFI 5.0l style mega plenum intake(like a TFS Track Heat or similar) that you could add to the Funnel Web-dual plane comparison too? It isn't going to be a "fair" or "equal" comparison due to the charge air cooling effects of carbs vs EFI obviously - but what I'm interested in seeing is how the CURVE of an EFI 5.0l style intake compares to the curves of the traditional single & dual planes(surely must be closer to a dual down low with those runner lengths - but maybe they breathe better than a dual up top?). I have a TFS EFI intake with a cracked plenum mounting flange corner and have been wondering if just swapping the intake out for a single plane with injector bungs(an EFI Funnel Web? hhhmmm...) would be worth doing, since it's primarily a drag car...
...and, frankly, those absolutely gigantic EFI plenums are REALLY annoying to deal with/work on/work around, they're just so damn HUGE!
(this is assuming that you don't have a comparable EFI single plane test that could be used for a better comparison to the stock style EFI intake of course)
I ran the 302 with EFI as well
@@richardholdener1727 NICE! Looking forward to more SBF content!
Well, looking forward to more content in general - but, still, more SBF content, WOOOOO!
What's that plug wire doing that looks like it should be in the distributor cap on the Ford 5.0 ? 🤔
its a spare
It would be interesting to compare a Chinese Speedmaster intake, to a funnel web.
I did
im a "that sounds great,i dont give a rats what it is" kinda guy
Would a Chevy 302 big bore short stroke change the HP?
not at this power and rpm level
Yes!! Do a carb spacer test!!
Hell yeah I'd like a space test, open,4 hole, id like to see them stacked vs a super sucker 2in
Did you run the ZEX plate on top of that four hole spacer? Would that affect the nitrous distribution or cause puddling on top of the spacer? I would like to know because I'm running a dual plane intake with a NOS 150 shot plate and I've been wondering about carb spacers.
put it under the spacer
@@richardholdener1727 I have the NOS spray bar plate mounted on top of a half inch open spacer. Several guys told me that since I run a dual plane intake I would have distribution problems with the nitrous unless I ran an open spacer to aid in evening out the distribution. They also told me not to run over a 150 shot on a dual plane. Is this stuff true? You seem to be VERY knowledgeable about engines and nitrous. I would love to see tests on spacers and especially a test with dual planes and nitrous.
Thank you so much for the truth.. It is Just all Awesome! Nitrous turbo supercharger = Awesome!
I do think you need to throw a 302 Chevy together now so that we can see if it’s truth or myth that the bigger bore 302 compared to 305 is what makes the difference so we can run big valves. You gotta do It Richard! Pretty please. You’re the best. Love the content. Thanks for making my days better.
bore and stroke don't change anything at this power level
Richard Holdener Even though you’re limited with value size in the smaller 305 bore? Can you run a 2.08 valve in one?
Put my vote in for carb spacers also
Love your show. Yes I want to see the intake shootout high-rise dual-plane.
I've always loved an underdog or the non mainstream stuff that's why I've always thought a stroker 305 would be neat I think the 383 version of a 305 is a 334... Obviously doing the same work to a 350 is way more bang for the buck and I would go that way also but it's nothing exciting super coming. But if I had disposable money I'd build a stroker 305 for kicks toss it in a nice daily gen 3 or Monte SS or something
Please do. on the spacer video.
Guys that hate on 305 never had one that ran good
of course we want to see it Richard!!! We want to see everything. I just saw a video from motion raceworks saying that each 90 degree bend in intercooler piping loses a pound of boost. I think that would be cool if you would do a test on that and see if it is actually true or not.
1 psi per 90-degree bend-that is nowhere near accurate
@@richardholdener1727 Yea I didn't think so. I would think that most of the pressure loss would be in the intercooler and not in the piping. I don't know why they would just make something like that up though.
Am I the only one that noticed the hanging spark plugs wire in the first clip !????! Near the distributor ? Still sounded great
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@@richardholdener1727 nice! Dang you actually responded LOVE the quality content !!! I wish you go do a big bang on the good ol mitsubishi 4g63 from the 90's 😊🙂
Richard I would love to see the spacer test, I have a stock bottom end 87 302 HO, AFR 185s, XE274HR, Yes I fly cut pistons Weiand Stealth with a Holley 650 double, stock duraspark setup. I put on a 1 inch open spacer and it really woke it up in my opinion. I was always curious as to what if any the difference is. Love your content always look forward to new and interesting tests.
Was a plug wire off on the ford in the video? Reguardless, good video.
it was extra
7:22. I've got those heads on my centrifugal supercharged 350. I needed the smallest chamber I could find to bump the compression ratio to 9.17:1. 56cc chambers. I have an HD 4 bolt tbi 350. Low compression, 8.4:1 with 64cc chambers. 190hp stock. She was a turd. Now she's a ripper.
Speaking of other guys... have you done an other guys Big Bang yet? 305 would be a hoot man. Ring gap and send it!
Try using a bosch 044 inline with the nitrous, it basically gives you constant liquid pressure instead of having to warm the bottle.
Would like to see more on the funnel web vs dual plane...working on a 5l out of a lincoln mark 7 now
@Jeff Kopis lol I like that or just run without one lol
@Jeff Kopis its going in a jeep and it has a pretty tall engine bays so should have the room, but ill cut a hole in any hood if its worth the power. Curious how much low end the single plane will sacrifice
@@jimbo8v92 good answer
@@jimbo8v92 the single plane sacrifices too much down low. Possibly the single most costly mod that makes your components mismatched, right there with a giant bumpstick.
@Jeff Kopis its definetly no rock crawler lol only has 33's. ocasionally go down trails nothing crazy though. just going to be a fun street toy until i find something cooler to put it in
This channel is awesome! I would love to be able to have that much knowledge of and fun with engines! I like em all. Thanks and please keep it going.
thnx for the support
Add Nitrous to a 225 Slant 6
Chev guys will complain. Back in the 80s the only way they could beat the 302 was with a 350.....GM wanted them to pay to play....Don’t think the 305 was ever developed to beat the 302....extra 3 cid and all.
When I was poor, I used to run nitrous. And then I got a real job and bought a blower. Haha just kidding. Just for safety reasons you should be running two 10lb lb bottles, that way you don't have line pressure loss. Thank you for the great videos
What’s is the longest running nitrous engine? Meaning has anyone made an engine love using nitro other than a weekend of thrills , has anyone ever used nitrous once a week for five years or like 50,000 miles .. I k ow if tuned it will last but real world real people I’d like to see that a long term evaluation of a nitrous tune that is conservative and allows the engine to be enjoyed , Having something that could grenade at anytime has got to be nerve racking for us fellas that don’t have 5k in the bank for a new motor ..... just curious If any has ever had a high mileage engine on juice
I ran my 5.0L Mustang on NOS nitrous for over 2 years-it works fine if tuned right-also ran a Vortech -for the rest of the 85,000 miles-I pulled that motor and ran it endlessly on the Westech dyno for years with all kinds of mods
Richard Holdener wow , that is impressive sir, I guess urban legends , and old timers had me convinced it would blow up all the time any time .
You obviously have years of experience and many miles under your belt and lots of tools in your cabinet and can tune a car to be perfect , is this kinda tune generally known? Is it something that can be used across the board in terms of being fool proof , if you do x and y the result is always the same ?
I find it fascinating to be able to add that much power , and it’s been a pleasure watching all your videos thank you very much for taking time out to answer , truly awesome sir.
Would love to see the intake comparison on the Ford engine.
Really didn't get baited.
Ford 5.0 with nitrous... I'll watch.
305 with nitrous... I'll probably still watch, even though sbc or ls with anything is pretty much always a rerun.
5.0 chevy Ford nitrous, well yeah I'm here aren't I?
I'm more into power adders that work all the time, not just a short burst when your bottle is full. But not averse to nitrous. And engine stuff in general is always good.
Sorry, Man... that s/b you are not gonna the 300?
Apologies; brother
BRIAN
what?
VERY SORRY, RICH....
COMPUTER PROBS..
PLEASE LET ME RE-SEND MY ORIGINAL MESSAGE.
"HEY, RICH....
YOU ARE NOT GONNA EASY BUILD THAT 300?
FROM MANY race attendences thru the 60's to today i have seen in a you tube (i WILL SEARCH IT OUT) video a 300 powered front engined dragster that, in tgis video, ran a 7.34 e t.@173 ÷ quarter.
There currenty is a 9 sec. 300 pwd . Maverick that runs in the 9's on a DT-66 turbo.
Wonder what you could DO with one.
My apologizes
Brian .
R.H. ..........those 17 degree making good torque and power , standing those valves up , makes a difference ????????
Please post the SBF manifold test. Thank you Mr. Richard!
its up
@@richardholdener1727 You rock!
Yes carb spacer video please.....
Yes do the carb spacers vib
In the first test is there supposed to be a dangling spark plug wire?
Is it connected to the cap? How much power loss is there with 1 less cylinder firing?
it was extra
@@richardholdener1727 Thanks, it was really mind- effing me!
I do like to see another test with carb spacers, I assume you already had filmed this and that's OK, I like to see what it does to this particular setup you tested as I have seen results on bigger engines, I notice as well you have different collector extension lengths and I have heard the different theories about how to select these lengths but I have never seeing actual results on a Dyno, same as carb spacer I have seen some results on Dyno but not actually trying to mimic a open plane intake by using a dual plane with different open spacers in order to have the torque advantage of a dual plane and the HP advantage of a open plane intake, I normally see 3/4" and 1" open spacers tested but what about going to 1 1/2" or 1 3/4" how much does it change if at all, same for headers collector extensions how much does it change and where do you want to start sacrificing TQ and HP over each other through these collector extensions, I know each engine have its own requirements and what works with one will not necessarily work for other, but still it will be interesting to see the results with a particular setup.
Wached dozens of your videos. First time I cant give one thumbs up. Still like you, just hate clickbait
The Ford and Chevy 5.0 were similar power wise. What really made the difference between head to head shootouts with the Camaro and the Mustang back then was not the Engine, but the chassis. The Camaro just could not compete with the lightweight Fox chassis Mustang. Similar engine power, lighter weight. Mustang wins. Very similar to the current battle between the Mustang, Camaro and the Hellcat.