Before TH-cam, us car kids and guys had Power Block on Saturday and Sunday mornings. Joe was one of the most iconic hosts and no doubt, a favorite to all. Godspeed Joe.
I had no idea Joe was as old as he was, I thought he was 20 years younger!! I really enjoyed watching him every Saturday, Joe is a big reason I’m a horsepower addict!! RIP Mr. Elmore
Yea its tricky on youtube, ive seen some episodes were he looked 40 or 50 and then some where he looked twenty, i was wondering at the time what the release dates were. Sux growing old, life is so short.
Growing up in the 90's would have been very different if I wasn't able to watch Joe Elmore and Stacey David on Saturday and Sunday morning. R.I.P. Joe. Thank you for everything.
I miss that long bowl mullet of Stacy's. Two icons of my life. Same, I would set alarms to get up and watch those guys on TNN . Sad that he is not here but happy that he is where he belongs....there's gonna be a pretty good party up there with all the greats.
@robsorgdrager8477 yeah, I'm sure he and my engine builder dad are swapping war stories up there about the engines and cars they pushed too far and blew up. Take care my friend.
I'm 62 years old. When I graduated high school, I bought a 1967 Camaro SS with a Muncie and a 327. I rebuilt the engine, blue printed it, added better headers, bigger carb and intake and a big ass manifold. Loved it! When my grandmother stopped driving, she gave me her 1967 Mustang coup with a 289. I did basically the same stuff to that car as I had done to the Camaro and then gave the car to my younger brother. I hate to say, but that damn Mustang walked away from that Camaro! I swear, my brother told me sometimes he would rev than damn thing to over 7,000 rpms! Those were the good old days......rubber and gasoline, carbs and grease!
RIP Joe. I’m almost 40 and I’m starting to see parts of my childhood slip away. You don’t realize how cool or special some of them are until they are gone. Many a Sunday mornings after my paper route were spent watching this show with my dad. Condolences to his family at home and the network.
Wow, I can't believe it. That iconic smile and voice and the decades of knowledge are gone for now. Thanks Joe for the years of entertainment and instruction. You'll be deeply missed, brother.
Wow, both of those are fabulous engines!! I love how smooth the SBF 302 ran before you guys did the modifications! That was definitely a very well-maintained motor!
Damn, this Crushed me. I grew up, watching Joe. All through Highschool, the Saturday morning afternoon Fridays game, if Wake up super sore and banged up, and there was nothing more exciting than watching Joe put an engine a project together. I'd watching while eating breakfast. Great memories. Wow. May he continue making great rides in Heaven 🕊️🙏🏾🫡🤙🏾
Used to sit with my daughter on Sundays that she wasn't with her bio father, and record Power block when she was. She broke the news to us, as we knew him through SEMA. Wonderful man. Reason my wife and I started our shop with the first disability check after the loss of my legs, was a chat with Joe. Miss him so much, but we'll see each other again. I feel the same way.
I started watching because of Joe back in the 80's on TNN. I'm going to miss you Joe, RIP. PS. Best quote I think was " I'm happier than a woodpecker In a lumber yard" !
R.I.P. Joe! The news of your death put a lump in my throat. Thank you for being a part of my childhood. I'm now grown up with kids and started watching Joe when I was a kid. He really seemed like a genuine, happy sincere guy. I pray he had faith 🙏
@@amemestoanend1958 The two engines have a different background. The 302 started out as a 260 and grew from there. The 305 started out as a small block - a 350 for the most part but shrunk a bit to make a cruising engine, the small v8 for the Camaro - but the high performance was the 350 if you had the extra money for it.
@@rogerrussell9544I’m surprised that the Ford didn’t still beat it despite being as closely matched as possible. The Ford has better bore for valve size and better head design. I would have thought a 305 would need some sort of aftermarket heads to be even.
@@jamessharp9790 true the 302 had the same specs or bigger piston bore than 350 orbigger than a 350 with only shorter rods wich made it rev faster .....but that 305 H.O camaro with 373 rear end would give it a run for its money
A neighbor came over one day. He brought his mustang. Said car starts good. Oil press is low? So i started it. No oil pressure. I told him the drive rod on the oil pump is broken. Since its broken. I suggested i check the bearings. He said ok. And said, i have a better cam. Can you install it too? I said yes. We will pull engine. He said ok and to Replace the oil pump and drive rod. I said ok. During that time, one of my grand daughters was living with us. So we got it up on ramps and started work. 1st thing, drain oil. I started draining. My 7 qt drain pan was filling up. I grabbed another pan. We found 13 qts of oil We tore the engine down. The main and rod bearings were still in good condition. But he bought a new set. My grand daughter was there helping disassemble the bottom engine. The owner didn't want new rings. Since the car wasn't smoking. But we scrubbed the engine down and got it on the stand. I was the instructor and talked her how to put it together. The heads were not touched. Just cleaning. At the end, she put it together. We installed the engine. We were just about to fire it up for the first time. The owner showed up just in time. Car starts up nice. I set the timing. We let the car warm up and broke in the cam for 15 minutes at 1500 rpms. Then the owner and myself took the first test drive. The new cam pulled very nice and started pulling as the rpms increased. He paid the bill. I gave my grand daughter half of the money we earned. ❤❤
Thats a win! I bought a 5.0 Cobra Mustang from a guy about to stuff a absolutely outrageous cam in a completely stock high mile long block. I checked the cam specs and laughed. Told him you can keep the cam. Would have wiped out the valves even with fly cutting the pistons. I saved it just in time!
@@Shade_tree_garage01 Nope, Just the small bore 305 is useless. I grew tired of watching those IROC-Z Camaros grow smaller in my 302 Foxbody's rearview mirror!
Super cool guy, 👍 I always remember turning on the TV on Saturday mornings and my stereo would kick on before the TV did. Once I heard his unmistakable voice i felt the weekend kick in gear😊 I wish everyone had his vibe
Great episode, wasn't expecting to get a little choked up at the end but growing up watching Joe on TV every Saturday it's to be expected. See you in the Kingdom Joe. :)
I absolutely love these kinds of videos. Rebuilding/rescuing old motors and showing the results. Fantastic work. I am sorry that Joe passed away. His unique voice and character will be missed.
I am in Australia and didnt know Joe Elmore at all as a celebrity, but watching him on this power nation was a delight, he had the coolest voice and a cool style of everything, he wasnt that old, what a shame.. i will miss him even as an Aussie 12,000 miles away... sad news for sure, i hope his family were living well and thank you again. steve in Australia.
I really loved watching anything Joe was on. I remember the first time they worked on something that wasn't a small block of some sort...the Honda Civic project back around 2005-8 and just the amount of honest enthusiasm he had for that was awesome! RIP Joe!
As a Ford 302 owner, I can say that it's the best of the two and way more expensive to modify. Also, as a former 305 owner, when I was 16, in the 90s, there were very few 305 parts worth buying out of the Summit catalog. However, there were pages for the 302 Mustangs. I was jealous. If you can't beat them, join them. Besides, a Windsor 302 is one of the best sounding engines ever. Arguably the best. IMHO.
I'm confused. All sbc parts are interchangeable. The sbc has always had more parts available than the sbf. I'm 49 and I was constantly going through the jegs and paw magazines looking for parts. Built my first engine in 1989 at 14. Was working as a certified mechanic at 19. I now have 35 years as a master tech and have 2 first place finishes and a 3rd place at Detroit Autorama and your response confuses the hell out of me...
@@oldskool235 Ford 302 = better and more expensive to build. More parts available mid 90s. 305=boat anchor. Cost not a factor bc not much is available. SBCs are generally cheaper to build. Compare cylinder head prices.. SBC=great; 305=turd. My 305 was tpi. You could buy an accel intake, runners one of 2 or 3 chips for the ecu in the mis 90s. Cam choices were very limited bc the ecu wasn't very adaptive, whereas the Ford computer would pretty much adapt to anything. There were, as best as I can remember, only a few head opinions. They were 306 specific bc of the limited bore. You could not blindly interchange heads on a 305 like you could every other SBC. No t so much with the 302. The large bore allowed it to take much better heads. The 305 was created for smog purposes. The 302 was created to kick ass and take names and sound better than anything else in the world. You should remember the Mustang Flownaster sound from the 90s. That sound instantly made me a believer. My 305 sounded decent, but a 302 sings a heavenly tune. Hope that helps.
Glad got a fair test ! To many years had a 302 ford vs chevy 350 Rest in peace Joe! Don't think I would be where I am today without watching you Saturday mornings!
Man i watched this just for old times sake to watch the two engines and yall crushed me at the end. I have watched Joe for decades. Rest in peace and fly high brother. ❤️😔
I still can't get over what you guys did with the Chrysler slant 6. Just amazing.👍 Next up: The 426 Wedge vs The 426 hemi. Or 440 Magnum versus 454 Chevy.
I was incredibly surprised how well the 305 did. They've always been known as boat anchors, and knowing that this one was worn out, up against the 302 that was not worn out and with an aftermarket intake manifold, I didn't expect it to be as close as it was stock for stock
305's - Great for Turbo or Supercharge engines IMO. They have their place. Seems to me the 302 has a better chance because of larger cylinders and better breathing heads.
They were considered boat anchors because it’s the same size and performance parts as a 350, so why bother? 350 core is cheap so swap and modify 350 and ditch the 305.
@@Dingleberry1856 Yu give the same clueless ignorant arguement, only your opinion, not fact. Their are Race Classes that require a 305. Those blocks are available Aftermarket, and the complete engines cost upwards of $10,000. I guess you buy 350 cores on a regular basis? If you did you would know they are no longer inexpensive. A stock 305 is a boat anchor, so is a stock 350. Even a bone stock 400 with short rods is weak. Modifying makes all the difference.
@Roxx______________ you are so ignorant. We are not talking race engines. EVERYONE in my area bought a 350 through parts at it then swapped out the 305. There was no point keeping the 305. You could pick up a 350 from a junkyard for $100
They just made so many ragged 305s of differing tunes while Ford made one 302 for mustang. You can fit a vortec head or any 1.94 valve on a 305 with no work.
Great episode guys, and great tribute. Joe is part of the blame for who I am today. Every weekend me and my dad would sit in the garage watching all the powerblock shows, then we would tear up the garage with tools and flying metal. More than afew projects and obsessions have resulted to this day. Thanks for the memories, RIP Joe.
Find a set of 305 Vortec heads. Look up the casting numbers to make sure they are Vortec heads. Should be years 1995ish to 1999. They are hard to find. You may have to buy a whole engine to get a set. Match that with the correct Edelbrock or Holley Vortec manifold, then select the same cam as this test. It will make the 305 run great.
The fact that they got that power out of 2 engines with emissions choked compression ratios and mostly stock internals says a lot about how much late 60’s early 70’s manufacturers were lying about the numbers on their engines lol.
A revisit with vortec heads and gt40 heads? J/k thanks for the video guys. I happen to love both ford and Chevy so this episode was a complete win for me. You will be missed Mr. Elmore.
I actually second this idea, I think it would be cool to see how they would each respond to good factory iron heads, then maybe step up to some RPM heads for both with the same cams/intake manifolds.
Watching Joe, Stacey and the other hosts every Saturday morning as a kid is what got me into cars. Now I'm in my 40's and I enjoy being able to turn wrenches for fun and for a paycheck. I don't know what I would be doing now if I hadn't had Joe and the crew to teach me about cars at a young age. Thanks Joe for being the ignition coil that sent a spark through the wires of TV to light off the spark plug in my mind and heart. You'll be missed. But at least we can still watch old shows and clips on the internet. I guess technology isn't all bad after all
Started watching on TNN. Learned so much and loved watching those guys. Scheduled my day around being able to watch that stuff for years. All those car shows. Always wished they’d give me the parts they used. lol
1st time on your channel - I subscribed! My first car was a 1967 Camaro 350+ HP modified with racing cam, roller lifters, 12 inch Lakewood bell housing, Mickey Thomson rear 12" tires, 4 speed manual transmission, inline 4 shift racing stick shift, racing boat engine that came from a wrecked 1966 Corvette, LT1 i think. Got 7 miles to the gallon when you wanted to go, but got you there quick. Got 20 mpg at 1300 rpm in 4th gear when cruising at 65 mph on the highway because of the high speed interceptor rearend out of a State Patrol car. I bought this car while in college at ECU for $1200 from a guy in Hollywood NC during November1977. This car taught me everything about how to drive and fix cars!!! I learned how to fix cars! This was the only way to get around and I was ready. This was the first car to teach me to me a mechanic. I have never let anyone touch my cars since. 😁
My 1981 Malibu with 2:94 gears and 26" tires has a 350 with Edelbrock performer cam intake and carb, turbo 350, now not fast but 14.01 at 93 mph getting 25 mpg, is impressive for a cruiser in my book
@@stevemabry6718 My poor Malibu! 1974 brand new! My mother's car. 350 hp from the factory, fresh. One week after getting my driver's license - I torn the entire passenger side off the car when I side swiped a tree (8 feet behind a chain link fence. ) One year later, one week before going to ECU college in 1975 - took the driver's side off the car when I side swiped a TELEPHONE pole. All the lights on the street and my car went out! I asked my passenger Tommy: "Are we DEAD? Is this what death feels like?" It was totally black everywhere. Tommy said: "I have no idea!!! Just keep driving. LOL.
I loved watch Joe on Horsepower and Stacey on Trucks. Lot of good memories sitting on my couch as a young teenager watching them build awesome vehicles.
Godspeed Joe! Your voice was unmistakable as my Saturday mornings always included the power nation on TNN. As I was deployed many times to far off countries catching the power nation videos always reminded me of home. Thanks for everything!
At 16 years old, i bought my first car, which was a 1978 Chevy Nova with the 305. Not big on horsepower, but man, it was reliable with regular maintenance. I think about that old car every now and then and all the fun i had in it. It was in excellent condition for a 16 year old car back then. With a new radiator, starter, alternator, and carb rebuild, i was off. I learned alot about cars with that one. It's really a shame they dont make them like that anymore.
We are 1st car brothers. I also got a 78 nova with a 305 at 16. was a great car until the oil sending unit cracked on a 25 mile drive home. Never smoked and didn't notice all the oil leaking out. It was knocking by the time I got home. Sad but I learned so much drooping my first 350 in. Oh and I actually spray painted the entire car blue and it wasn't terrible. lol
thanks for including Joe on what was already a super cool episode. he’ll be missed by many of us strangers, while the earlier comment made between Blue Oval vs Bow Tie rings true: if it Burns Gasoline, We Like it. that’s the way to be. take something & make it better, regardless of label/brand. RiP, Joe. your blue Fender Strat was sexy…see if Jimi will play it for you up there.
I will perfer the Ford simply because they staggar the valves. Unlike Chevy who puts exhaust valves next to each other in the middle of the head which causes hot spots head gasket faliures and cracking.
The standard ford 302 dous not have canted valve heads. Only the 302 Boss wich was a very special & rare engine. Also the 351 Clevlands heads was canted valve heads. Wich is what was on the 302 Boss. But the standard 302/5.0 did not have those heads.
Chevy learned from their mistakes & built the LS👍. Ford went full tilt & built unreliable OHC engines👎, then Ford learned from that mistake & built the 7.3 Godzilla👍.
@delbertmcfinklestein8576 All Ford's SOHC V8s & V10s are unreliable. My thumb down on the coyote is for the limited production. Why didn't they just straight up replace the 4.6 with it?
This was a rabbit hole of memories. I was only curious about this comparison and I was reminded of Joe Elmore and Horsepower TV. I watched that and shade tree mechanic growing up every weekend with my dad. Good times, rip Joe
I don't know why. But!!!!---> When a fellow gear head passes on. No matter what age they are. I genuinely cry while praying for him at the same time. I feel for all of his TRUE family friends and loved one's. 😞
Man, I didn't know Joe passed. I grew up watching powerblock on the weekends as a kid, not watching cartoons like all the others. Always enjoyed watching his episodes..... I might need to go watch some old ones today just for him
The Chevy had a few wiped cam lobes. It was basically a broken engine. -But it ran! I wonder how many project car engines could go from poor to at least average, just by being stock rebuilt? You'd have to do it yourself, but a true gear head should tear down at least one engine in their life (I did a 50cc moped as a teen, that counts!) :D
I watched him many many many times make engine mods and rebuilds looks effortless and fun. Then I try it and fall flat on my face! What a good man. He will be missed RIP buddy
Joe "bowted up" a lot a parts and hearts. RIP. I was surprised and disappointed Stacy didn't say anything that I saw at least. If I'm wrong apologies but Joe was a fixture for decades and an undeniable one. As to your test. It is awesome how you immediately pointed out "similar VE" so few of the modern wrenches know that. A VE improvement is where power hides. A cold air intake to a super 40. I'd love to see this test back with some head replacement. THEN put some stroke in them both. Think there might be a big difference when all that happens.
The debate will never end. All that Ford needed was the cam and springs. Junkyards are full of roller 302's that will perform like that with 500 bucks worth of parts.
@@member57 both got carb, single plane intake, electronic distributor, wires, coil, timing chain and gears.....and last but not least, valve springs, pushrods, cam, and roller lifters. Both were run with headers in the end too, instead of stock exhaust. Ford roller lifters, even with 200,000 miles, are good to go. Give it a bumpstick and springs only.....pushroods probably will not need changing. So they produced equal power....but the Ford really only needed 500 bucks in parts. That is my point. The title of the show was DOLLAR FOR HORSEPOWER. The debate will never end.
They should have used the 305ho out of the Camaro, it would have been a much closer match to the 302. They used an old smog era 305 for this that probably barely had 8:1 C/R with purely junk heads designed to clean up emissions with a carb. I'm shocked they said it made 200hp as I believe they were only rated at 140 stock.
The Ford 302 heads are crap also, they can barely make 300 fully ported. Trust me, that is an even comparison. The comparison to the Chevy 302 is the Boss 302. But the Boss wins that comparison too
When I was growing up watching this on TV, Joe's voice was always something that stood out if I was in the other room. As soon as I heard Joe, I'd be glued to the TV for the whole show. Thanks for all the entertainment, Joe, as we pass the wrenches on to these fellows.
They could do a 350 block, 350 5.7" rods, 327 pistons, and a 283 crank with small journal crank spacers. That's a lot of effort compared to grabbing a 305 though. It is a lot of effort and cost to reduce your engine displacement.
Bc they are a bit boring. They are just the same stroke and bore. And if you use simular cylinder heads they will make About the same power. Really this episode is if the "small" bore of the 305 actually limits power potential in any serious extent.
Rest in peace Joe Elmore. I grew up watching him on TV
Great voice.
If you watched anything about cars on TV you saw Joe.
Me too! I grew up watching him as well. Reat in peace Joe
Don't forget Chuck
Between Chuck and Joe, Stacey David, and Ian and Jesse I wouldn't be nearly the gearhead I am today.
Before TH-cam, us car kids and guys had Power Block on Saturday and Sunday mornings. Joe was one of the most iconic hosts and no doubt, a favorite to all. Godspeed Joe.
Power Block was amazing
What does godspeed mean? I always see Americans say it when people die....
And Car Craft magazine
I remember my dad watching power nation every Sunday after church. At the time I didn't get it. Now, I totally get it
@@lollipop84858 it's wishing some good wishes on a journey. In this case, the great beyond. Wherever that may be.
I had no idea Joe was as old as he was, I thought he was 20 years younger!! I really enjoyed watching him every Saturday, Joe is a big reason I’m a horsepower addict!! RIP Mr. Elmore
Yea its tricky on youtube, ive seen some episodes were he looked 40 or 50 and then some where he looked twenty, i was wondering at the time what the release dates were. Sux growing old, life is so short.
@@stevenbelue5496 I believe he was in his 50's back in the Hot rod TV / Horsepower TV days but looked like he was in his early 40's
That was my first thought. I am 60 and I thought we were about the same age.
Working in a field that you love makes a big difference how you age.
I wouldn't have thought he was in his early 50s back then...
Man his voice is all it takes and I'm right back watching powerblock tv on my parents living room couch. What an icon to automotive culture. Rip Joe
Growing up in the 90's would have been very different if I wasn't able to watch Joe Elmore and Stacey David on Saturday and Sunday morning. R.I.P. Joe. Thank you for everything.
I miss that long bowl mullet of Stacy's. Two icons of my life. Same, I would set alarms to get up and watch those guys on TNN . Sad that he is not here but happy that he is where he belongs....there's gonna be a pretty good party up there with all the greats.
@robsorgdrager8477 yeah, I'm sure he and my engine builder dad are swapping war stories up there about the engines and cars they pushed too far and blew up. Take care my friend.
@@daryljoseph you as well. Keep the rubber side down✌️🤙
Couldn't have said it better
Same here 😭
RIP Joe Elmore. He was such an iconic voice of my younger years and I appreciate all that he taught me about cars.
RIP Joe.
As was the case with most of us here, I grew up watching him.
Thanks for the ride Joe.
I'm 62 years old. When I graduated high school, I bought a 1967 Camaro SS with a Muncie and a 327. I rebuilt the engine, blue printed it, added better headers, bigger carb and intake and a big ass manifold. Loved it! When my grandmother stopped driving, she gave me her 1967 Mustang coup with a 289. I did basically the same stuff to that car as I had done to the Camaro and then gave the car to my younger brother. I hate to say, but that damn Mustang walked away from that Camaro! I swear, my brother told me sometimes he would rev than damn thing to over 7,000 rpms! Those were the good old days......rubber and gasoline, carbs and grease!
"If it burns gasoline we like it." Count me in boys!
RIP Joe. I’m almost 40 and I’m starting to see parts of my childhood slip away. You don’t realize how cool or special some of them are until they are gone. Many a Sunday mornings after my paper route were spent watching this show with my dad. Condolences to his family at home and the network.
Same here, I'm 39, grew up in a machine shop, watched him and stacy every weekend when we weren't in the shop, so many iconic people are gone now
Wow, I can't believe it. That iconic smile and voice and the decades of knowledge are gone for now. Thanks Joe for the years of entertainment and instruction. You'll be deeply missed, brother.
Wow, both of those are fabulous engines!! I love how smooth the SBF 302 ran before you guys did the modifications! That was definitely a very well-maintained motor!
Damn, this Crushed me. I grew up, watching Joe. All through Highschool, the Saturday morning afternoon Fridays game, if Wake up super sore and banged up, and there was nothing more exciting than watching Joe put an engine a project together. I'd watching while eating breakfast. Great memories. Wow. May he continue making great rides in Heaven 🕊️🙏🏾🫡🤙🏾
Used to sit with my daughter on Sundays that she wasn't with her bio father, and record Power block when she was. She broke the news to us, as we knew him through SEMA. Wonderful man. Reason my wife and I started our shop with the first disability check after the loss of my legs, was a chat with Joe.
Miss him so much, but we'll see each other again.
I feel the same way.
It's like you were reading my mind
Great show guys. 302 is one of my fav engines. Rest in Peace Joe.. lots of Saturday mornings were spent watching him.
I started watching because of Joe back in the 80's on TNN. I'm going to miss you Joe, RIP. PS. Best quote I think was
" I'm happier than a woodpecker In a lumber yard" !
Referring to the TNN days is taking a big step back in history. Joe Elmore and Chuck Hanson were quite a team.
Gosh, I feel old now, TNN dang that was so long ago.
Loved the tribute to Joe at the end, RIP to the man who helped get me into cars when I was a kid in the 90s.
R.I.P. Joe! The news of your death put a lump in my throat. Thank you for being a part of my childhood. I'm now grown up with kids and started watching Joe when I was a kid. He really seemed like a genuine, happy sincere guy. I pray he had faith 🙏
302 all day long, bulletproof. Smaller block as well, and narrower.
I want to know for sure but I believe the 302 can also rev much higher than a 305.
OK I see they put an HEI gm style distributer in it. I go with a edlebrock carb over holley all engines.
@@amemestoanend1958 The two engines have a different background. The 302 started out as a 260 and grew from there. The 305 started out as a small block - a 350 for the most part but shrunk a bit to make a cruising engine, the small v8 for the Camaro - but the high performance was the 350 if you had the extra money for it.
@@rogerrussell9544I’m surprised that the Ford didn’t still beat it despite being as closely matched as possible. The Ford has better bore for valve size and better head design. I would have thought a 305 would need some sort of aftermarket heads to be even.
@@jamessharp9790 true the 302 had the same specs or bigger piston bore than 350 orbigger than a 350 with only shorter rods wich made it rev faster .....but that 305 H.O camaro with 373 rear end would give it a run for its money
omg i did not expect that ending...man joe was a legend...many weekend morning spent watching the power block ...he will be dearly missed RIP
That man brought more to automotive video journalism than anyone past or present. He will be missed by many many people.
A neighbor came over one day. He brought his mustang.
Said car starts good.
Oil press is low?
So i started it. No oil pressure.
I told him the drive rod on the oil pump is broken.
Since its broken.
I suggested i check the bearings.
He said ok. And said, i have a better cam. Can you install it too?
I said yes. We will pull engine.
He said ok and to
Replace the oil pump and drive rod.
I said ok.
During that time, one of my grand daughters was living with us.
So we got it up on ramps and started work.
1st thing, drain oil.
I started draining. My 7 qt drain pan was filling up. I grabbed another pan. We found 13 qts of oil
We tore the engine down.
The main and rod bearings were still in good condition.
But he bought a new set.
My grand daughter was there helping disassemble the bottom engine.
The owner didn't want new rings. Since the car wasn't smoking.
But we scrubbed the engine down and got it on the stand.
I was the instructor and talked her how to put it together.
The heads were not touched. Just cleaning.
At the end, she put it together.
We installed the engine.
We were just about to fire it up for the first time. The owner showed up just in time.
Car starts up nice. I set the timing.
We let the car warm up and broke in the cam for 15 minutes at 1500 rpms.
Then the owner and myself took the first test drive.
The new cam pulled very nice and started pulling as the rpms increased.
He paid the bill. I gave my grand daughter half of the money we earned.
❤❤
Thats a win! I bought a 5.0 Cobra Mustang from a guy about to stuff a absolutely outrageous cam in a completely stock high mile long block. I checked the cam specs and laughed. Told him you can keep the cam. Would have wiped out the valves even with fly cutting the pistons. I saved it just in time!
No one here asked for your life story
@@lollipop84858 🤡
Joe!! My man- you taught me sooooo much in the 90’s and 2000’s. God bless my tv mentor.
Well, this episode should end the Ford vs Chevy debate… 😂
RIP Joe, you were a pioneer. 🙏🏼
That the 302 was an is as useless a 305? Yeah I agree
proved ford can do it with less cubes...😂
It should’ve pitted the Chev 302 vs the Ford 302.
The bore and stroke is in favour of the Ford.
@@Shade_tree_garage01
Nope,
Just the small bore 305 is useless.
I grew tired of watching those IROC-Z Camaros grow smaller in my 302 Foxbody's rearview mirror!
@@kyliejm2 Ford Boss 302 vs Chevy DZ 302 👍🏼
Super cool guy, 👍
I always remember turning on the TV on Saturday mornings and my stereo would kick on before the TV did. Once I heard his unmistakable voice i felt the weekend kick in gear😊
I wish everyone had his vibe
Jesus, Joe is a beauty!.. I grew up at a time, when we only had a handful of automotive how-to icons. Joe was always on that list
Great episode, wasn't expecting to get a little choked up at the end but growing up watching Joe on TV every Saturday it's to be expected. See you in the Kingdom Joe. :)
I absolutely love these kinds of videos. Rebuilding/rescuing old motors and showing the results. Fantastic work.
I am sorry that Joe passed away. His unique voice and character will be missed.
RIP Joe Elmore I watched you for many years on Horsepower TV!!! Thanks for everything that you taught me!!!!!
I am in Australia and didnt know Joe Elmore at all as a celebrity, but watching him on this power nation was a delight, he had the coolest voice and a cool style of everything, he wasnt that old, what a shame.. i will miss him even as an Aussie 12,000 miles away... sad news for sure, i hope his family were living well and thank you again. steve in Australia.
Joe Elmore was 80 years old. Great person, who will be remembered fondly❤️
RIP Joe from Melbourne, Australia
Why do you guys always specify your in or from Australia like it matters??
RIP Joe, thanks for the education and the encouragement.
Joe just was that special kind of soul and person, his positivity and passion radiates! RIP
Great show fellas. RIP Joe, your voice was instantly recognizable and we all loved watching you work ❤
I remember waking up excited on Saturdays just to watch horsepower tv and watch Joe. He was the first host I watched. RIP Joe.😢
I really loved watching anything Joe was on. I remember the first time they worked on something that wasn't a small block of some sort...the Honda Civic project back around 2005-8 and just the amount of honest enthusiasm he had for that was awesome! RIP Joe!
As a Ford 302 owner, I can say that it's the best of the two and way more expensive to modify. Also, as a former 305 owner, when I was 16, in the 90s, there were very few 305 parts worth buying out of the Summit catalog. However, there were pages for the 302 Mustangs. I was jealous. If you can't beat them, join them.
Besides, a Windsor 302 is one of the best sounding engines ever. Arguably the best. IMHO.
289/302/351 all have a big 4 inch bore too which helps with power, junk 305 is useless, everyone builds 350s for a reason.
I'm confused. All sbc parts are interchangeable. The sbc has always had more parts available than the sbf. I'm 49 and I was constantly going through the jegs and paw magazines looking for parts. Built my first engine in 1989 at 14. Was working as a certified mechanic at 19. I now have 35 years as a master tech and have 2 first place finishes and a 3rd place at Detroit Autorama and your response confuses the hell out of me...
@@oldskool235 Ford 302 = better and more expensive to build. More parts available mid 90s.
305=boat anchor. Cost not a factor bc not much is available. SBCs are generally cheaper to build. Compare cylinder head prices.. SBC=great; 305=turd. My 305 was tpi. You could buy an accel intake, runners one of 2 or 3 chips for the ecu in the mis 90s. Cam choices were very limited bc the ecu wasn't very adaptive, whereas the Ford computer would pretty much adapt to anything. There were, as best as I can remember, only a few head opinions. They were 306 specific bc of the limited bore. You could not blindly interchange heads on a 305 like you could every other SBC. No t so much with the 302. The large bore allowed it to take much better heads. The 305 was created for smog purposes. The 302 was created to kick ass and take names and sound better than anything else in the world. You should remember the Mustang Flownaster sound from the 90s. That sound instantly made me a believer. My 305 sounded decent, but a 302 sings a heavenly tune.
Hope that helps.
@@frmula1fan51350 parts fit 305
Windsor has that sporty crackle on overrun & urge to race up the tacho 👍
Thanks Engine Power for always providing relevant engines for us guys to dream about upgrading, and proving real performance after upgrades
I looked forward to watching Joe on a Saturday morning back in the day. Rest easy sir!
RIP Mr. Elmore! I learned so much from you. I couldn’t wait to watch your programs every Saturday 🙏🏼
R.I.P watch many saturdays even recorded some shows thank you !
Glad got a fair test ! To many years had a 302 ford vs chevy 350
Rest in peace Joe! Don't think I would be where I am today without watching you Saturday mornings!
There's nothing Fair comparing engines when one is a roller cam and the 305 isn't . Roller is always going to make more power straight out of the box.
He made it so enjoyable watching him work.I’ve watched a lot of his videos over the years.
Man i watched this just for old times sake to watch the two engines and yall crushed me at the end. I have watched Joe for decades. Rest in peace and fly high brother. ❤️😔
I watched Joe every Saturday in my teens and he’s one of the major reasons I’m a gear head today!! Thanks for the awesome montage and memories
I still can't get over what you guys did with the Chrysler slant 6. Just amazing.👍
Next up: The 426 Wedge vs The 426 hemi. Or 440 Magnum versus 454 Chevy.
Oldsmobile rocket vs chevy
People make way more power than they did.
Oh, 440 vs 454 - that would be epic!!!
@@tambosnipes1652 Or a Buick-Olds-Pontiac-Chevrolet 350 shootout. Or maybe just the B-O-P. We've seen the Chevy build every way possible.
How about 426 hemi, 426 SOHC Ford and 426 chevy =P
Hi Pat, Frankie, and staff. Nice show, and nice tribute to Joe. Thanks
I was incredibly surprised how well the 305 did. They've always been known as boat anchors, and knowing that this one was worn out, up against the 302 that was not worn out and with an aftermarket intake manifold, I didn't expect it to be as close as it was stock for stock
305's - Great for Turbo or Supercharge engines IMO. They have their place. Seems to me the 302 has a better chance because of larger cylinders and better breathing heads.
They were considered boat anchors because it’s the same size and performance parts as a 350, so why bother? 350 core is cheap so swap and modify 350 and ditch the 305.
@@Dingleberry1856 Yu give the same clueless ignorant arguement, only your opinion, not fact. Their are Race Classes that require a 305. Those blocks are available Aftermarket, and the complete engines cost upwards of $10,000. I guess you buy 350 cores on a regular basis? If you did you would know they are no longer inexpensive. A stock 305 is a boat anchor, so is a stock 350. Even a bone stock 400 with short rods is weak. Modifying makes all the difference.
That motor also looked like shit on the inside. I've never in my 20 years of owning engines ever had anything that looked so bad.
@Roxx______________ you are so ignorant. We are not talking race engines. EVERYONE in my area bought a 350 through parts at it then swapped out the 305. There was no point keeping the 305. You could pick up a 350 from a junkyard for $100
RIP Joe and thank you for all the Horsepower TV programs that we loved to watch!
I can't hate on the 305 anymore! I'm shocked how well it changed with a couple bolt ons.
They just made so many ragged 305s of differing tunes while Ford made one 302 for mustang.
You can fit a vortec head or any 1.94 valve on a 305 with no work.
But you cant put 202 heads or Cleveland big valve heads on a 305 like you can on a 302.@@anthonyrowland9072
@@anthonyrowland9072What are you talking about? The 302 went into the Mustang, F150, F250, Crown Vic, Town Car, etc.
The 302 went into everything Ford made during the 70's.
@@GMbowtie350 What I said, they made one V8 for the mustang.
thanks for the memories joe I could not tell how many time I watched joe love his way of explaining cars and engines projects he well be missed.
New Engine Power. The only show actually worth watching on Powernation.
Great episode guys, and great tribute. Joe is part of the blame for who I am today. Every weekend me and my dad would sit in the garage watching all the powerblock shows, then we would tear up the garage with tools and flying metal. More than afew projects and obsessions have resulted to this day. Thanks for the memories, RIP Joe.
Man, this video is making me reconsider pulling the 305 out of my 85 SS Monte Carlo. That was a super impressive jump with a couple of bolt on's.
Find a set of 305 Vortec heads. Look up the casting numbers to make sure they are Vortec heads. Should be years 1995ish to 1999. They are hard to find. You may have to buy a whole engine to get a set. Match that with the correct Edelbrock or Holley Vortec manifold, then select the same cam as this test. It will make the 305 run great.
i would do that. if you have a stock 84 block.... put 202 intake heads, 292/475 hyd cam & lifters. 650cfm or FInj. double roller timing chain.
@@larry77117
Any small block head with 2.02 valves will not fit on the 305. The bore is too narrow. 1.94 is the maximum diameter.
There is a combo video I watched.. before they blew it up with nitrous, the base NA run was 350 hp out of the 305 with vortec heads
The fact that they got that power out of 2 engines with emissions choked compression ratios and mostly stock internals says a lot about how much late 60’s early 70’s manufacturers were lying about the numbers on their engines lol.
Thanks for the memories, Joe!
A revisit with vortec heads and gt40 heads? J/k thanks for the video guys. I happen to love both ford and Chevy so this episode was a complete win for me. You will be missed Mr. Elmore.
that would be a good fair matchup, should we match port them just for s and gs?
I actually second this idea, I think it would be cool to see how they would each respond to good factory iron heads, then maybe step up to some RPM heads for both with the same cams/intake manifolds.
Watching Joe, Stacey and the other hosts every Saturday morning as a kid is what got me into cars. Now I'm in my 40's and I enjoy being able to turn wrenches for fun and for a paycheck. I don't know what I would be doing now if I hadn't had Joe and the crew to teach me about cars at a young age.
Thanks Joe for being the ignition coil that sent a spark through the wires of TV to light off the spark plug in my mind and heart. You'll be missed. But at least we can still watch old shows and clips on the internet. I guess technology isn't all bad after all
I watched him while growing up and as a adult reminiscing on my younger years....R.I.P. Joe.....💪🏾🙏🏾✌🏾
Started watching on TNN. Learned so much and loved watching those guys. Scheduled my day around being able to watch that stuff for years. All those car shows. Always wished they’d give me the parts they used. lol
I didn't know he passed! I grew up watching Joe, lots of Saturday mornings in front of the TV. Hope he went peacefully.
Thanks Joe! We will miss you a ton!
Spent many hours watching Joe , Rest easy my friend!!!!
Finally! I always thought the 350 vs 302 tests were obviously flawed. RIP Joe and thank you for all those Saturdays.
1st time on your channel - I subscribed! My first car was a 1967 Camaro 350+ HP modified with racing cam, roller lifters, 12 inch Lakewood bell housing, Mickey Thomson rear 12" tires, 4 speed manual transmission, inline 4 shift racing stick shift, racing boat engine that came from a wrecked 1966 Corvette, LT1 i think. Got 7 miles to the gallon when you wanted to go, but got you there quick. Got 20 mpg at 1300 rpm in 4th gear when cruising at 65 mph on the highway because of the high speed interceptor rearend out of a State Patrol car.
I bought this car while in college at ECU for $1200 from a guy in Hollywood NC during November1977. This car taught me everything about how to drive and fix cars!!! I learned how to fix cars! This was the only way to get around and I was ready. This was the first car to teach me to me a mechanic. I have never let anyone touch my cars since. 😁
My 1981 Malibu with 2:94 gears and 26" tires has a 350 with Edelbrock performer cam intake and carb, turbo 350, now not fast but 14.01 at 93 mph getting 25 mpg, is impressive for a cruiser in my book
@@stevemabry6718 My poor Malibu! 1974 brand new! My mother's car. 350 hp from the factory, fresh. One week after getting my driver's license - I torn the entire passenger side off the car when I side swiped a tree (8 feet behind a chain link fence. ) One year later, one week before going to ECU college in 1975 - took the driver's side off the car when I side swiped a TELEPHONE pole. All the lights on the street and my car went out! I asked my passenger Tommy: "Are we DEAD? Is this what death feels like?" It was totally black everywhere. Tommy said: "I have no idea!!! Just keep driving. LOL.
Go pirates!!!!!
I loved watch Joe on Horsepower and Stacey on Trucks.
Lot of good memories sitting on my couch as a young teenager watching them build awesome vehicles.
Godspeed Joe! Your voice was unmistakable as my Saturday mornings always included the power nation on TNN. As I was deployed many times to far off countries catching the power nation videos always reminded me of home. Thanks for everything!
Rip joe... Sad to hear of your passing. Just know lots of us watched you Over the years and loved it all!
At 16 years old, i bought my first car, which was a 1978 Chevy Nova with the 305. Not big on horsepower, but man, it was reliable with regular maintenance. I think about that old car every now and then and all the fun i had in it. It was in excellent condition for a 16 year old car back then. With a new radiator, starter, alternator, and carb rebuild, i was off. I learned alot about cars with that one. It's really a shame they dont make them like that anymore.
We are 1st car brothers. I also got a 78 nova with a 305 at 16. was a great car until the oil sending unit cracked on a 25 mile drive home. Never smoked and didn't notice all the oil leaking out. It was knocking by the time I got home. Sad but I learned so much drooping my first 350 in. Oh and I actually spray painted the entire car blue and it wasn't terrible. lol
thanks for including Joe on what was already a super cool episode. he’ll be missed by many of us strangers, while the earlier comment made between Blue Oval vs Bow Tie rings true: if it Burns Gasoline, We Like it. that’s the way to be. take something & make it better, regardless of label/brand.
RiP, Joe. your blue Fender Strat was sexy…see if Jimi will play it for you up there.
I will perfer the Ford simply because they staggar the valves. Unlike Chevy who puts exhaust valves next to each other in the middle of the head which causes hot spots head gasket faliures and cracking.
So simply buy some canted valve heads for the chevy small block. Or go big block chevy then it's a non issue...😂
The standard ford 302 dous not have canted valve heads. Only the 302 Boss wich was a very special & rare engine. Also the 351 Clevlands heads was canted valve heads. Wich is what was on the 302 Boss. But the standard 302/5.0 did not have those heads.
Chevy learned from their mistakes & built the LS👍. Ford went full tilt & built unreliable OHC engines👎, then Ford learned from that mistake & built the 7.3 Godzilla👍.
@@tobbytownsend9968
You can give a thumbs down to the 4.6 but no way to the Coyote.
@delbertmcfinklestein8576 All Ford's SOHC V8s & V10s are unreliable. My thumb down on the coyote is for the limited production. Why didn't they just straight up replace the 4.6 with it?
This was a rabbit hole of memories. I was only curious about this comparison and I was reminded of Joe Elmore and Horsepower TV. I watched that and shade tree mechanic growing up every weekend with my dad. Good times, rip Joe
Joe.... May God go with you and keep you, Brother.
Many Saturday mornings I woke up just to watch his show.
RIP Joe.❤ 😢 Grew up watching you after school. 😢
Me and my grandpa watched power block every Saturday morning. He was a mechanic for 50 years. I love mechanic work as well. Sure miss those days
I don't know why. But!!!!---> When a fellow gear head passes on. No matter what age they are. I genuinely cry while praying for him at the same time. I feel for all of his TRUE family friends and loved one's. 😞
May Joe be with the Lord in peace, forever, amen 🙏
It doesn't matter the brand or model they make us all a family of gearheads
Sorry to hear of Joe's passing. Loved watching him, learnt a lot.
Man, I didn't know Joe passed. I grew up watching powerblock on the weekends as a kid, not watching cartoons like all the others. Always enjoyed watching his episodes..... I might need to go watch some old ones today just for him
That was quite the test and comparison. Sorry to hear of the loss of your colleague. Keep up your work.
The roller cam vs non roller does make a huge difference. That's not a fair comparison for baseline.
The Chevy had a few wiped cam lobes. It was basically a broken engine. -But it ran! I wonder how many project car engines could go from poor to at least average, just by being stock rebuilt? You'd have to do it yourself, but a true gear head should tear down at least one engine in their life (I did a 50cc moped as a teen, that counts!) :D
I watched him many many many times make engine mods and rebuilds looks effortless and fun. Then I try it and fall flat on my face! What a good man. He will be missed RIP buddy
Nobody is as cool as Pat running the dyno. 🤦♂️
Pat is my spirit animal
What happened to Mike Galley? He just went poof!
Joe was always the face I associated with Power Nation and all the other shows. Thanks for so many enjoyable episodes and learning experiences.
Same old story different day. The smaller Ford is just as powerful or usually more powerful. The 302 Ford smokes a lot of 350/400 chevys 😂🤣
302 vs 305...lol
Thanks for informing and entertaining me Joe. Rest in Peace
Rip Joe i grew up on HP and watched every Sunday learned alot and will miss ya more brother rest easy in the Mechanic Sky
HAHAHA! in the mechanic sky
RIP Joe. Watched every Sunday as a kid on power nation.
Prayers for the family, thanks so much Joe, for the great memories!
Rest easy Joe
You guys have the greatest job in the world. I'd never complain, never be late..... probably never leave.
An icon has left us and are poorer for his leaving didn't realize he was that old. Will miss him
Joe was a fantastic individual, I used to wake up early on Saturdays to watch power block and all these great original car shows. He will be missed!
Joe "bowted up" a lot a parts and hearts. RIP. I was surprised and disappointed Stacy didn't say anything that I saw at least. If I'm wrong apologies but Joe was a fixture for decades and an undeniable one.
As to your test. It is awesome how you immediately pointed out "similar VE" so few of the modern wrenches know that. A VE improvement is where power hides. A cold air intake to a super 40. I'd love to see this test back with some head replacement. THEN put some stroke in them both. Think there might be a big difference when all that happens.
RIP Joe ... Spent many Saturday mornings watching n learning from you ..
The debate will never end. All that Ford needed was the cam and springs. Junkyards are full of roller 302's that will perform like that with 500 bucks worth of parts.
That's what the 305 received also. Same numbers. 😂
@@member57 both got carb, single plane intake, electronic distributor, wires, coil, timing chain and gears.....and last but not least, valve springs, pushrods, cam, and roller lifters. Both were run with headers in the end too, instead of stock exhaust. Ford roller lifters, even with 200,000 miles, are good to go. Give it a bumpstick and springs only.....pushroods probably will not need changing. So they produced equal power....but the Ford really only needed 500 bucks in parts. That is my point. The title of the show was DOLLAR FOR HORSEPOWER. The debate will never end.
As a kid I watched Joe and loved learning so much about engines and it turned me into a muscle car lover RIP Joe
As far back as the 1970's Ive always had better reliability with Ford Engines.
If you only run fords that’s all you can relate to. That’s the same as saying mac n cheese is my favorite food and it’s the only thing you eat
God speed Joe! You where there when I first started watching. Thank you
Should have base lined a Vortec 305…..
If so, would also have to equally run the late model Explorer 5.0 with swirl GT40P heads
It'd be the same shit, 305 has a tiny little econobox bore on it, useless for making power.
They should have used the 305ho out of the Camaro, it would have been a much closer match to the 302. They used an old smog era 305 for this that probably barely had 8:1 C/R with purely junk heads designed to clean up emissions with a carb. I'm shocked they said it made 200hp as I believe they were only rated at 140 stock.
Why not compare a Ford 302 vs Chevy 302. The 305 has a huge disadvantage because of the really crap cylinder heads and small bore.
The Ford 302 heads are crap also, they can barely make 300 fully ported. Trust me, that is an even comparison.
The comparison to the Chevy 302 is the Boss 302. But the Boss wins that comparison too
Great Episode Guys !!!
But I'm crushed to hear of Joe Elmore's passing. Thanks for mentioning him.
How about building a 318
economy junk engine
When I was growing up watching this on TV, Joe's voice was always something that stood out if I was in the other room. As soon as I heard Joe, I'd be glued to the TV for the whole show. Thanks for all the entertainment, Joe, as we pass the wrenches on to these fellows.
Why not have 302 Chevy vs 302 Ford?
I’d like to see a battle of the 400’s. Dodge, Chevy and Ford
because they only made it for 3 years and they just aren't laying around in junkyards like a 305 is.
They could do a 350 block, 350 5.7" rods, 327 pistons, and a 283 crank with small journal crank spacers. That's a lot of effort compared to grabbing a 305 though. It is a lot of effort and cost to reduce your engine displacement.
The possibilities are endless.
Bc they are a bit boring. They are just the same stroke and bore. And if you use simular cylinder heads they will make About the same power. Really this episode is if the "small" bore of the 305 actually limits power potential in any serious extent.