If I'm not mistaken, El Diablo is only a short distance away from Cenote El Aerolito. I wonder if after Gus had his incident, he yelled.. "Daddy's Comin' Home!!!" 😮
The mystery and beauty of cave exploration on dry land alone is amazing. So I imagine diving intensifies that sense of wonder and intrigue. Regardless of the obvious and unknown dangers its appeal is just mesmerizing to some. 👏
i saw a great documentary about a rare fish, and they were filming it in the Mediterranean. The diver said it got really dangerous at times because as he was focusing on filming the fish, he didn't realize he was being dragged deeper and deeper by it's beauty. I think filming adds a whole nother level of danger to diving, especially cave diving
In my mind it makes sense for the main line to be a little thicker and one color. Then all the side tunnels or other paths will each use a different color. You would just have to study the cave you are in to know which color leads where. Kind of like how they differentiate ski slopes.
I've been a sea urchin/scallop diver tender for over 25 years. Most sea urchins are harvested couple hours before, during, and after low tide. My diver is in 5-15 feet of water. Aluminum 80 lasts 60-90mins. Scallop diving is a lil deeper. 30-40feet. Tanks last 45-60mins. We never think about decompression stops, or do any dive planing other than I follow the diver, toss empty bags on a line, pull in the catch.
Been watching this channel for a minute i don’t cave dive but I like to listen to you guys talk about it for hours. You said one thing at 2:15 that brought my attention “you can do everything right and still die” as an NJ firefighter that phrase is drilled into our heads. That’s the best way to explain the activity you guys do.
Few questions I’ve had for a long time 1.) why are aluminum bail out tanks used why not steal?? Is it just a weight thing or is there something else? 2.) can woody teach me to speak to fish? Does he instruct a fish speaking course???
The only thing that could get me to cave dive would be a cenote. Most of these cave diving videos are dark murky rock, I'd want to see some beautiful underwater caves.
Love the way Gus and Woody are such great experienced divers but still acknowledge their limits and when diving places dangerous always have one or more of the elites with them. They are great divers and genuinely good guys
I do most of my cave diving in Mexico and it's because of these 2 incidents that it's common practice to jump from your own arrow so that there is no doubt about your exit direction.
I would think (as a baby SSI XR Nitrox diver) that road signs in Ginnie or any given cave would give some divers the notion that they can go further than their planned rule of thirds with minimal additional effort. Other than that, it would make perfect sense to have these road signs.
Your opinions are both enlightening and entertaining. Both of you have such accessible and honest opinions about safety and perspective on diving that I'd love to learn ! Gold stars guys ⭐
There is always an increased risk. Each step increases the risk: whether Swimming (waves, currents, tides, rocks/corals, wildlife), Scuba Diving, Filming while Scuba Diving (awareness of your surroundings beyond the object filmed), Diving on different gases (correctly mixed, correctly labelled; breathing your decompression gas too deep can kill you from an oxygen (O2) seizure and breathing your bottom gas for a deep trimix dive too shallow can kill you from hypoxia). Diving on re-breathers also increases some risks as you are increasing the needed technical skills to properly maintain and assemble your kit; Cave Diving, further increases complexity, and task load. People die from "diver error:" not adhering to safety protocols, and missing steps, either deliberately or from plain tiredness, forgetfulness, excitement, or "she'll be alright" idiocy.
2:22 this is the exact reason I only fly privately now. One of my buddies and old coworkers died in a crash because a nut in the elevator failed. Our mechanics even inspected the exact part the day before because the same make and model aircraft crashed just prior. Sometimes your number gets called.
If I were Lord of the Caves, I'd add the road signs at junctions in embossed letters and in Braille. I'd probably glue them with concrete or rock climbing pitons to rocks and add tie points for lines. At least in high traffic caves I'd add an electronics box to make the sign into an ultrasonic communicator repeater station with easy to replace standard battery packs and emergency light. Yes, it might be unnatural looking and maybe some people might become dependent on them and have problems when they fail and it might seem wussy to some. Some cave should be designated for testing new technology and protocols for working out bugs and determining if it really does save lives. I can see where it might be neat to be totally cut off from the world and self reliant, but in my mind preventing death takes priority over most things in life.
I doubt it's just me, but in the last 3 years I noticed that Gus is looking great. People can just scroll through the thumbnails and see the progress he's made. Honestly incredible!
Might be my ignorance showing, but has anybody thought of using mule tape for cave lines? Mule tape is the polyester flat webbing used for pulling electrical and communication lines through conduit. Most mule tape also has distance printed on it, wouldn't that help with navigation? IE "There's a round cookie at 735 ft in marking the Gus's gut sucker offshoot tunnel". Would also enable knowing your direction almost immediately, #'s going down you're headed toward the entrance.
Could use different coloured line, different textures and/or signs for different tunnels would make sense but as you said that makes things easy which breeds complacency.
When talking about signs that indicate the distance to an exit, the direction to the exit, etc., there is a cave in Hungary called Janos Molnar Cave that has similar “markers.” These markers provide direction/distance to exit, depth, intersection numbers, and lines numbers - literally like a highway. This makes it much easier to navigate and plan, as you can write down the numbers on slates and check them at every intersection.
would be cool to have long enough lines that at the end you can charge it with a flashlight or the light from the opening and it illuminates the entire strand so if youre light dies you have some visual aid
19:41 so they want cave diving to be challenging so that cave divers don't underestimate their dives and potentially put themselves in danger, but by doing so they make it more complicated than it ought to be, resulting in cave divers being at higher risk to get lost, making things more dangerous. so when we say cave diving is dangerous, it is, but not just because of caves, and diving, and diving in caves, but also because of cave divers who don't want to make it "too easy"
35:30 , curious on your thoughts but I think the public’s view of this is not that there are extreme odds of dying while cave diving, but more so what was shown in this video; the smallest mistake such as making a wrong turn can lead to death. It’s the same argument that “flying a plane is safer than driving a car”, but again people’s minds go to the fact that you can generally survive a mistake (crash) in a car where in a plane you are almost certainly dying.
Guys - Back in the '80s, there were over 300+ cave diving deaths in the accidents files of the NSS/CDS and rthe NACD, and if I recall, only about 1% or less were full cave certified, all the other 99% were NOT full cave trained. And lot of the cave trained fatalities were due to diving extremely deep on AIR John
Putting more signs in the caves is like bringing more trash there. Our task is to keep the caves pristine and untouched. First a bunch of signs for navigation, and then we'll build lights and underwater buses?
I've never commented on this channel but I'm a long time viewer. I actually came across your channel from Mr ballen. I just want to say, I love you guys!! I couldn't be farther from you guys in terms of lifestyle. Snorkeling makes me nervous! And I will NEVER even recreational scuba dive, I am claustrophobic and that seems like the most claustrophobia inducing thing to me. However, you are so realist and instructional. I so appreciate that. I feel like I know more about recreational diving and cave diving than a lot of people who actually do those things because of this channel. I follow along and say "oh, that's where they went wrong!". You'll never find me personally doing anything close to what you do but I think you are an invaluable asset to the diving community as a whole.
And to illustrate my point, at the end Gus says the vast majority of deaths are from non trained divers, i.e. not trained for cave diving. I knew this as a non diver from this channel!
I read a comment from a dude that would have taken his inherited diving gear to check out a cave close to where he lives. He was very lucky to find these dudes before he learned the hard way that diving isn't a 'plug-and-play' endeavor.
I think asking "why would you cave dive?" is like asking "why would you explore the arctic?" or "why would you be an astronaut?". People do dangerous things all the time, it's human nature to go out into the world, to train, and to challenge ourselves with epic feats of ability.
Just found this channel like 2 days ago i never binged so much 😂 cave diving is hella interesting to watch and learn about i personally would never but am living viciously through yall keep up good work 🫡
I’m mildly claustrophobic, mostly just don’t like being restrained and feeling like I can’t breathe. That’s why I don’t cave dive, I don’t mind dry caving, but that’s because you have all the time in the world to get out. With cave diving if something happens you can’t just come up! I’ve been under some big enough rocks in low vis to make me feel like I wouldn’t enjoy it. Maybe crystal clear vis, and open I’d do a cave dive
I'm a beekeeper. Bees are mostly unpredictable. Their mood can be influenced by many things, like whether it's light or dark out, temperature, how I smell, if it's windy, if they are thirsty, if they have a queen or not. (Sometimes, she dies or is killed.) The list goes on. It's a risk every single time I go out to them. I'm not allergic, but anyone can develop an allergic reaction to bee venom, anytime in their life. The best I can do is be educated, be aware of their mood, wear protective clothing, and carry my Epipen with me. A million things can kill you, even if you do everything right. I'd no more stop beekeeping than Gus and Woody would stop cave diving. Life would be a lot less fun if everyone decided not to do what they love, just because there's risk involved. Cave on, gentlemen!
Been a while since I caught a video from you guys... and I gotta say Gus is lookin lean and mean!!! Keep doing whatever you doing my guy... you look like a new man 💯
My experience from hiking is that it is very easy for people to lose their awareness of where they are and should be headed at any given time. Instead they fall into the routine of simply following a trail or marked route and rely on what they are following to be right. With this lack of awareness a small 'complication' can easily head them in the wrong direction because they don't have the idea of what 'should be' in mind.
I’ve been watching this channel for a year or more now and I notice that Gus is if not often seems grumpy lol woody is the upbeat, bubbly personality and Gus reminds me of squidward at times. Idk how to process that 😂 you two balance each other out well I guess
I'm an open water diver. And I ride horses. I've spent most of my life around horses, and I have an immense amount of experience and knowledge. I wear a helmet every time I ride and I take all recommended safety precautions. But I'm aware that any time I'm around a horse I could possibly be killed. They're big dangerous animals and their first instinct when something startles them is to run away. It doesn't matter if you're holding the reins or standing in the way when they panic - their only thought is to flee. Many people think riding is the most dangerous part about horses, but they're wrong. Most accidents happen on the ground. Even though I'm aware of all the bad things that could happen I'm not going to let that stop me from doing something I love. I imagine most people who participate in a "dangerous" sport feel the same way.
@@Upstaged07 I seriously tell people I had a near death experience on a horse as a complete novice and they think I'm joking. I had never ridden one and we did one of those rides through the mountains where they say "oh, you don't even have to do anything, the horses know where they're going". I'm quite tall so they put me on a giant who was a race horse in another life and 15 minutes into the 2 hr ride we reach the sandy clearing where they let the horses run on their off time. Mine tried to take off like a shot and I was pulling so hard on the poor thing's reins she literally tried to buck me off. I was only 20 at the time and luckily my dad was behind me, who had much more experience. He pulled his sweet gentle girl up beside me after I yelled "daddy!!" and he said "let go of the reigns, you're hurting her!". I did and I spent the next hour and half gently patting her and apologizing. My dad said later he saw my butt come out of the saddle and knew he had to intervene or I was done in one way or the other, (I was getting OFF that freaking horse!) while I also yelled for the guide who was USELESS. That was the scariest hour and 45 minutes I've ever ridden and I vowed right then I would never get on an animal so much more powerful than me! That horse was in charge and she knew it! It is definitely a dangerous activity to mess with something a hundred times bigger than you, even when you know what you're doing, much less than when you don't!
@@llsher5210 The OP was right when they said most accidents happen when the person us on the ground, BUT most of the FATAL OR CRIPPLING INJURIES happen from falls from a horse. I've ridden all my life too. I've known quite a few people who broke bones or were put in a (temporary) coma by falls from horses. 2 people I've known were put permanently in wheelchairs, 1 was paralyzed from the neck down, and 1 died. None of those were novices, in fact ALL of them were VERY accomplished horsemen and women. Even with a helmet it IS dangerous. I have merely been lucky. I very nearly landed on my back on a tree trunk shaped like sharp spike. I missed it by under 3 feet. I would have broken my back and maybe died, because I was alone. For the grace of God... Now they make vests that work like airbags, but I see them as being of very limited use. You are wise to be somewhat afraid. A healthy amount of fear is what keeps us alive and well. If it's not for you, that's fine. I couldn't live without horses, and riding is a part of it. But each to his own. I hope you do have some kind of outdoor activity that gives you a connection to nature and some joy.
@@cattymajiv I actually know someone who died as the result of a fall off a horse as well. I think in my case the company doing the guiding was very derelict. They gave us minimal instructions and this when we were already on the horse. I had no idea I was hurting the poor thing because I didn't know how reins worked, I simply thought the harder I pulled the more control I had. And like I said I said the guide was USELESS, my dad had to rescue me and thank God he was right there! I'm sure it wasn't pleasant for the horse either. We're all cut out for skills and passions other people are not. My husband is an engineer in the automotive industry, his specialty is motorsports engineering, and his passion is motorcycles. I'm not a risk taker by nature and whenever asked if I ride with him my reply is always "nope, I refuse to orphan our children". I'm actually a medical speech therapist and I've seen the worst of the worst of head injuries, many from motorcycles. However, I've never in our 18 years of marriage tried to dissuade him from riding, because I know he loves it. He mitigates the risks as best he can and I send him off with God. On the other hand, I've seen things in the medical field most people would blanche at best, vomit, or head for the hills. It doesn't phase me because that is what I was meant to do, it's my passion and skill set. And at times it IS dangerous, don't think a recently head injured patient 3x my size isn't a danger to me or even a dementia patient. But I don't think twice about entering their space because it's my job and it's where I want to be. I've not once been injured (although I know several colleagues who have ) but I have mitigated volatile situations and held the hands of family members and given them hope or consolation. I live in the CO Rockies and have nature most could never dream of at my feet. But that is a hobby. My most important calling is a mother and a person who helps others. Either is not (usually) a risk taking venture but it is the most fulfilling calling I could ever dream of.
I saw someone suggesting that a rule for diving needs to be if you are going to be using a camera, especially caving, you need to have a buddy whose job it is to keep track of everything. No swapping camera between people or anything, just one person runs the dive and one person runs the camera.
@@brownmold Exactly. I mean, my partner and I do something similar when doing photography *not* underwater, because we know we both tend to lose situational awareness when using a camera. The rule is we won't both be taking photographs if there's any concern about the safety of the environment we're in. (Traffic, terrain, etc.) The person not taking photos is responsible for keeping an eye on everything for both of us.
Guys, I love your work but I love the dynamic between the two of you more than anything. Do you ever stop and think about how lucky you are to have each other? Well, you are almost as lucky as we are to have you.❤
Cave diving is viewed as highly, highly dangers not because of statistics but because it is one of the most terrifying ways to die... out of air, lost, hopeless... and it's ultimately an unnecessary risk. Driving on the highway is also risky, but I have to go to work.
I would never go cave diving, or diving in general, because I have a phobia of being underwater. Oddly enough, your videos are helping me face that fear in a round about way. In addition to that I get to learn a lot about diving, underwater safety etc while enjoying your friendship dynamic and banter. I applaud the folks brave enough to do these kinds of things, and love that y'all always stress proper safety. Whatever adventures y'all have stay safe, stay aware, and enjoy!
i felt this. i have no knowledge on swimming & don't know how to, but watching their videos encourage me to want to learn. besides that, i've also learned so much about diving and how humans react to water pressure/being underwater, it's all fascinating to learn.
This was a devastating tragedy that indeed could have been prevented if they were on rebreathers..... and a good promo for them here. Thank you for reacting sensitively to this one. I'm no diver but continue to learn so much from your videos.
There are a lot of hobbies (skydiving, circuit racing) that can get you denied from many insurance carriers. It significantly increases risk compared to normal daily activities, but the rate of failure within the activity may not be that high. Perhaps they look at whether an activity is necessary or not.
Man. I’m not a diver but just the rebreather vs open circuit thing. I just know the level of things that can go wrong in a dive is massive, and rebreathers give soooo much more flexibility in terms of time. And down there… under deco commitment situations and emergency situations… time is everything. Even as a non diver… I feel like I’d feel so much safer on a rebreather than open circuit.
I think permanent signs with arrows and distance indicators is a great idea-especially at the most popular dive sites. Also, there should be guide lines that fluoresce once light is shown on them that way it would be easier to find.
This case was one of the incidents discussed and analyzed during my cave course. My instructor was involved in the body recovery. IIRC the main issues were following the guide too blindly (basically a trust me dive) and being distracted with their camera.
The ones in caves are not made of hemp but are a very tough synthetic line. Gold line is slightly thicker, with an extra nylon sheath and gold colored and sometimes used to line the more heavily trafficked Main line. Both for wear and to help identify that your on a main line.
With the jump line gaps, assuming your smart, and studied where your going you know.. Okay I hit the end of this line & go left out or right continue.. When you make your path then you pick up the rest of the line. Lesss confusing rather then following one line
I have gone down a rabbit hole of cave diving and have learned so many amazing things about the planet we live on because of it. Also Gus and woody yall are truly an amazing duo and don’t stop being your amazing selves! Thanks for the amazing and inspiring content 🩷
If a line was broke of id pick it back up & look for the other end bc it's gotta be close by & just tie off & continue with the other side in the direction I'm sure is the surface
Isn't there any rule to understand which line is the one to get to the exit? For example the main line being green, any options to leave a main line, yellow colour, any turns from a yellow line then red lines. This way if you follow a red line you know you are 2 lines away from the exit and you need to look for yellow colour line, and then the green line, with arrows pointing always to the exit. My point is that with any colour line you don't know where to go, in case of taking photos around or looking whatever, you can get disorientated very easily and a mix of arrows and colour code would help deciding whether to continue or exit, if the arrows would have a colour code or even numbers, would still be better.
There is an animated kids show called Octonauts on Netflix, about a team of brave mammals who live underwater and protect the creatures of the sea. They did an episode that takes place in the caves of Sac Actun, and includes cartoon cave diving. It would be absolutely hilarious if you did a Cave Divers React of "Octonauts and the Caves of Sac Actun."
When people compare the different risks of different hobbies, i don't think anyone brought up the fact that it matters how your last minutes are spent. Laying on a highway while paramedics try to help you is very different than being lost in a dark cave while taking your last breath.
Miss a turn and die. Nah, we don’t need arrows and signs for the exit. All these experienced divers dying…. Nah we don’t need arrows and signs….Los Angeles to Las Vegas….crazy
Sanctum, do you mean? Yeah! That and The Cave (the one that turns out to be a horror film with the symbiont that turns people into massive bat creatures, but which is a pretty good portrayal of cave diving.)
I'm not a diver, I am actually just a sailor (small craft). But I find your channel absolutely fascinating. From all of your videos my takeaway is that much like with sailing, the key to mitigating danger when diving, is planning, practice and maintaining constant good environmental awareness. When I first started sailing nearly twenty years ago I was dragged with my boat's mast down to the seabed after we capsized and after my legs became tangled in the rigging. I could see the sunlight above me on the surface but couldn't free myself because my bouyancy aid was trying to make me float upwards. I would have died if my instructor hadn't been as fast as he was. It was a good lesson and since that day my boats are neat, everyone knows where their legs are and everyone communicates clearly and properly.
Risk is a personal decision- I ride a motorcycle, it's higher risk than being in a cage, but I enjoy it. I try and take steps to mitigate the risk. But ultimately, for me personally the risk is worth it. I'm far calmer and less stressed riding a motorcycle than I am driving a car. Life is to be lived. Live it well.
People thinking cave diving means death is probably a good attitude to have, so it filters out the amateurs and gets the determined people to make darn sure they're doing everything right.
It's about a feeling of adventure and accomplishment. If you make it easy, where's the enjoyment in that, where's the feel I g of pride. Setting these lines gives you that sense of virtual danger that we all relish as human beings. Give yourself something to be proud of. That's me, I did that. As for complexity. I have to agree. Unnecessary complexity is an invitation to mistakes and disaster. Again, you don't want it to be so easy that the sense of mystery and of being first just isn't there. But you want a modicum of effort to be needed to overcome obstacles. Yeah, it's not true, and dozens have gone before you, but it's fun to let your imagination run a little wild. You want the heart to beat a little faster with a bit of trepidation.
The discussion around underwater signage brought to mind hiking trails. Obviously it's helpful to know where you are on a map and how to navigate the area you're in, but having simple blazes (i.e., a strip of paint on trees/rocks/etc) helps so much when you're not sure where you are at. I'm sure someone much more familiar than I am with cave diving could develop a similar system to mark out underwater systems.
Spools are clipped to your harness, usually around your lower back. Cookies and markers are usually on a bungee at your shoulder. Cave divers will usually have a pouch at their lower back with spare gear and a notebook
A buddy of mine almost died in one of Florida’s tour cave dives. The dive master/tour guide was an easily spooked DEI hire. She got lost, then panicked. By some miracle, the group made it out of there with about 150 psi. When it comes to wreck/cave diving, I admit I’m a pussy, I won’t enter a structure unless I can see the exit.
I’m like of a similar belief when it comes to safety in any activity. Cave diving is a small community and ALL CDs should go out of their way to increase the safety of the community. I can’t help but feel many of these deaths could have been avoided if most did or believed as you do. If there is no consensus on prominently marking exits do it yourselves. Carry a few extra large exit markers and if you come to a juncture or jump point place that extra large marker pointing the way out. So many of these deaths should be avoidable if the community came together and made it a priority. The only thing I see standing in the way would be a few overly large egos. The safer the entire community can make their sport the more that could enjoy it. Again, ego and a “keep it to ourselves” attitude should/would be the only thing standing in the way.
Maybe a dumb question - if you are long into the dive and your rebreather fails and you have to use your normal tanks - would you drop the rebreather and continue without it? Because carrying less weight would last the normal tanks support even longer? Just something I’m wondering about.
Every now and then I get the urge to become a cave diver and then I inevitably end up watching DIVE TALK and decide against the idea... it's a never ending cycle!
Why dont cave divers invent something like short range LIDAR mapping. (I know light does not travel far in water, but it is a cave system and people use flashlights because they are useful) Small computer with a 360 LIDAR output input sensor that will shoot out infrared light x times every second and map the hits. Then you can make a 3d map of where you have been, the depth and so on. You could practically create augmented reality to show your own way back. Other maps created by others could also be overlay and used as safety to warn when people were going the wrong way.
You can sit around and come up with what if for just about everything on any subject you want and the reality is one of the most dangerous things you can do that most of us do nearly every day is walk out the door and get in your automobile and drive across town. I personally do not see the allure to Cave diving because there is nothing I’ve seen inside of a dry cave that would make me think that there is anything inside of a submerged cave that I would want to see and the only dry cave I’ve seen something like 500 feet underground, but it is a very commercialized well traveled guided tour Through a cave and it is as much as I would want to and for that matter is equally as dangerous if not more so. I don’t have to understand it, but I do enjoy listening to the stories and I enjoy watching the videos not when there is an accident, but I get everything I need watching other people , I get to watch it through your camera. It’s good enough for me. I’m glad you guys enjoy it. I don’t think that they should go closing caves just because people die. We don’t close the roads for more than a few minutes to clean up when people die on them.
Don't want to sound harsh but people who have this attitude of "but they did everything right, I don't understand how they died" simply don't understand risk and risk mitigation. You can do everything by the book and still have an unfavorable outcome, that is the reality of risk, unfortunately there simply are no guarantees in life. Same way you can go cycling, obey all the rules of the road, be super cautious and wear a helmet etc and still have a crash and die... it happens However doing everything right increases your odds of things ending favorably for you, its the difference between a 50% chance of something going wrong vs a 20% chance
At 34:31 the narrator asks if it is worth risking your life to see these place's??? I will have to answer that question with a RESOUNDING YESSSS and the reason I say that is because there are place's to venture to and see that are just Amazing "I don't know any other word to describe it... Except just AMAZEBALLS LOL" and that you won't be able to see above ground or in a dry cave that you could see in an underwater cave system "Such as the Crystal Caves" I have never even heard of a dry cave with such a beautiful and amazing Crystal structures only a wet cave "Underwater Cave" have I seen or heard of somthing such as this "BTW It's my belief every diver should put abacose on there bucket list 😉 😊 😂
Personally, learning how to drive a car on the public road as an 18year old goofball was way more dangerous than me climbing an 8ft boulder with 20years of experience, a crashpad and some mates. It's all about risk mitigation, trusting your skill and knowing your limits. Knowing something is dangerous and thus taking precautions is way safer and logical then pretending it's safe and thus not being aware or prepared. I've always been the former in climbing and I was the latter with driving a car, as driving a car was so normalized I didn't realize the danger at first.
the problem with putting a huge arrow for the exit is Wile E Coyote might come along and spin the arrow to point the wrong way
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Or Dennis Nedry(Jurrasic Park):)
Legit
Or painted a fake exit with a train that comes out of it.
@@DrDeuteron you could just paint an airpocket so divers can breathe lol
If I'm not mistaken, El Diablo is only a short distance away from Cenote El Aerolito. I wonder if after Gus had his incident, he yelled.. "Daddy's Comin' Home!!!" 😮
The mystery and beauty of cave exploration on dry land alone is amazing. So I imagine diving intensifies that sense of wonder and intrigue. Regardless of the obvious and unknown dangers its appeal is just mesmerizing to some. 👏
i saw a great documentary about a rare fish, and they were filming it in the Mediterranean.
The diver said it got really dangerous at times because as he was focusing on filming the fish, he didn't realize he was being dragged deeper and deeper by it's beauty.
I think filming adds a whole nother level of danger to diving, especially cave diving
In my mind it makes sense for the main line to be a little thicker and one color. Then all the side tunnels or other paths will each use a different color. You would just have to study the cave you are in to know which color leads where. Kind of like how they differentiate ski slopes.
I've been a sea urchin/scallop diver tender for over 25 years.
Most sea urchins are harvested couple hours before, during, and after low tide. My diver is in 5-15 feet of water. Aluminum 80 lasts 60-90mins.
Scallop diving is a lil deeper. 30-40feet. Tanks last 45-60mins.
We never think about decompression stops, or do any dive planing other than I follow the diver, toss empty bags on a line, pull in the catch.
Been watching this channel for a minute i don’t cave dive but I like to listen to you guys talk about it for hours. You said one thing at 2:15 that brought my attention “you can do everything right and still die” as an NJ firefighter that phrase is drilled into our heads. That’s the best way to explain the activity you guys do.
Few questions I’ve had for a long time
1.) why are aluminum bail out tanks used why not steal?? Is it just a weight thing or is there something else?
2.) can woody teach me to speak to fish? Does he instruct a fish speaking course???
15 feet is so tragic, I mean I understand why they shared, if I go down with my budy, we booth coming home or none of us, but they nearly made it😢
The only thing that could get me to cave dive would be a cenote. Most of these cave diving videos are dark murky rock, I'd want to see some beautiful underwater caves.
I really enjoy both your points of view, on all diving related events. What valuable information ! ❤ 🙏
Love the way Gus and Woody are such great experienced divers but still acknowledge their limits and when diving places dangerous always have one or more of the elites with them. They are great divers and genuinely good guys
I do most of my cave diving in Mexico and it's because of these 2 incidents that it's common practice to jump from your own arrow so that there is no doubt about your exit direction.
I would think (as a baby SSI XR Nitrox diver) that road signs in Ginnie or any given cave would give some divers the notion that they can go further than their planned rule of thirds with minimal additional effort. Other than that, it would make perfect sense to have these road signs.
Your opinions are both enlightening and entertaining. Both of you have such accessible and honest opinions about safety and perspective on diving that I'd love to learn ! Gold stars guys ⭐
Dr. Deco is a great villain name :)
dr. deco sounds like a super villain
There is always an increased risk. Each step increases the risk: whether Swimming (waves, currents, tides, rocks/corals, wildlife), Scuba Diving, Filming while Scuba Diving (awareness of your surroundings beyond the object filmed), Diving on different gases (correctly mixed, correctly labelled; breathing your decompression gas too deep can kill you from an oxygen (O2) seizure and breathing your bottom gas for a deep trimix dive too shallow can kill you from hypoxia). Diving on re-breathers also increases some risks as you are increasing the needed technical skills to properly maintain and assemble your kit; Cave Diving, further increases complexity, and task load. People die from "diver error:" not adhering to safety protocols, and missing steps, either deliberately or from plain tiredness, forgetfulness, excitement, or "she'll be alright" idiocy.
2:22 this is the exact reason I only fly privately now. One of my buddies and old coworkers died in a crash because a nut in the elevator failed. Our mechanics even inspected the exact part the day before because the same make and model aircraft crashed just prior. Sometimes your number gets called.
There is no way in hell id ever say anything about any kind of diving on an insurance application.
If I were Lord of the Caves, I'd add the road signs at junctions in embossed letters and in Braille. I'd probably glue them with concrete or rock climbing pitons to rocks and add tie points for lines. At least in high traffic caves I'd add an electronics box to make the sign into an ultrasonic communicator repeater station with easy to replace standard battery packs and emergency light. Yes, it might be unnatural looking and maybe some people might become dependent on them and have problems when they fail and it might seem wussy to some. Some cave should be designated for testing new technology and protocols for working out bugs and determining if it really does save lives. I can see where it might be neat to be totally cut off from the world and self reliant, but in my mind preventing death takes priority over most things in life.
I doubt it's just me, but in the last 3 years I noticed that Gus is looking great. People can just scroll through the thumbnails and see the progress he's made. Honestly incredible!
@@csmQueso oh dang, 100%! Good for him 😁
To right.
Gus gotta watch out for sharks, 'cause he be looking like a snack
I found the channel a while back and binged through and was blown away at the weight loss
You read my mind 😀
Might be my ignorance showing, but has anybody thought of using mule tape for cave lines? Mule tape is the polyester flat webbing used for pulling electrical and communication lines through conduit. Most mule tape also has distance printed on it, wouldn't that help with navigation? IE "There's a round cookie at 735 ft in marking the Gus's gut sucker offshoot tunnel". Would also enable knowing your direction almost immediately, #'s going down you're headed toward the entrance.
Could use different coloured line, different textures and/or signs for different tunnels would make sense but as you said that makes things easy which breeds complacency.
When talking about signs that indicate the distance to an exit, the direction to the exit, etc., there is a cave in Hungary called Janos Molnar Cave that has similar “markers.” These markers provide direction/distance to exit, depth, intersection numbers, and lines numbers - literally like a highway. This makes it much easier to navigate and plan, as you can write down the numbers on slates and check them at every intersection.
You put your life at risk when you drive your car (or board any vehicle), you put your life at risk when you board a plane... There are no guarantees
would be cool to have long enough lines that at the end you can charge it with a flashlight or the light from the opening and it illuminates the entire strand so if youre light dies you have some visual aid
Has Gus been hiding Woody’s creature hats? 😂
I'm glad to see Woody dress more professionally lately. i.i : silly hats. LOL
no no no the risk level is way more dangerous in a cave
19:41 so they want cave diving to be challenging so that cave divers don't underestimate their dives and potentially put themselves in danger, but by doing so they make it more complicated than it ought to be, resulting in cave divers being at higher risk to get lost, making things more dangerous. so when we say cave diving is dangerous, it is, but not just because of caves, and diving, and diving in caves, but also because of cave divers who don't want to make it "too easy"
35:30 , curious on your thoughts but I think the public’s view of this is not that there are extreme odds of dying while cave diving, but more so what was shown in this video; the smallest mistake such as making a wrong turn can lead to death. It’s the same argument that “flying a plane is safer than driving a car”, but again people’s minds go to the fact that you can generally survive a mistake (crash) in a car where in a plane you are almost certainly dying.
Gus is now the size of Woody, good job dude!
I just can't understand why anyone would put themself at such risk getting into a car and driving to work in the morning!
For money?
Guys -
Back in the '80s, there were over 300+ cave diving deaths in the accidents files of the NSS/CDS and rthe NACD, and if I recall, only about 1% or less were full cave certified, all the other 99% were NOT full cave trained. And lot of the cave trained fatalities were due to diving extremely deep on AIR
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Putting more signs in the caves is like bringing more trash there. Our task is to keep the caves pristine and untouched. First a bunch of signs for navigation, and then we'll build lights and underwater buses?
I've never commented on this channel but I'm a long time viewer. I actually came across your channel from Mr ballen. I just want to say, I love you guys!! I couldn't be farther from you guys in terms of lifestyle. Snorkeling makes me nervous! And I will NEVER even recreational scuba dive, I am claustrophobic and that seems like the most claustrophobia inducing thing to me.
However, you are so realist and instructional. I so appreciate that. I feel like I know more about recreational diving and cave diving than a lot of people who actually do those things because of this channel. I follow along and say "oh, that's where they went wrong!". You'll never find me personally doing anything close to what you do but I think you are an invaluable asset to the diving community as a whole.
And to illustrate my point, at the end Gus says the vast majority of deaths are from non trained divers, i.e. not trained for cave diving. I knew this as a non diver from this channel!
I read a comment from a dude that would have taken his inherited diving gear to check out a cave close to where he lives.
He was very lucky to find these dudes before he learned the hard way that diving isn't a 'plug-and-play' endeavor.
@@staomruel Wow! He was 1 VERY lucky guy!
I think asking "why would you cave dive?" is like asking "why would you explore the arctic?" or "why would you be an astronaut?". People do dangerous things all the time, it's human nature to go out into the world, to train, and to challenge ourselves with epic feats of ability.
So was that guy who said he said he had done 4000 dives full of crap?
I don’t think the stigma comes so much from the likely hood that you’ll die I think it’s more the fact that the death itself is so scary
I had dived for vouple years not cave but diving is rrlaxingvand the silence under water gaveva special feeling
Just found this channel like 2 days ago i never binged so much 😂 cave diving is hella interesting to watch and learn about i personally would never but am living viciously through yall keep up good work 🫡
I’m mildly claustrophobic, mostly just don’t like being restrained and feeling like I can’t breathe. That’s why I don’t cave dive, I don’t mind dry caving, but that’s because you have all the time in the world to get out. With cave diving if something happens you can’t just come up! I’ve been under some big enough rocks in low vis to make me feel like I wouldn’t enjoy it. Maybe crystal clear vis, and open I’d do a cave dive
I'm a beekeeper. Bees are mostly unpredictable. Their mood can be influenced by many things, like whether it's light or dark out, temperature, how I smell, if it's windy, if they are thirsty, if they have a queen or not. (Sometimes, she dies or is killed.) The list
goes on. It's a risk every single time I go out to them. I'm not allergic, but anyone can develop an allergic reaction to bee venom, anytime in their life. The best I can do is be educated, be aware of their mood, wear protective clothing, and carry my Epipen with me. A million things can kill you, even if you do everything right. I'd no more stop beekeeping than Gus and Woody would stop cave diving. Life would be a lot less fun if everyone decided not to do what they love, just because there's risk involved.
Cave on, gentlemen!
Been a while since I caught a video from you guys... and I gotta say Gus is lookin lean and mean!!!
Keep doing whatever you doing my guy... you look like a new man 💯
Can you put phosphor in the lines so they glow?
My experience from hiking is that it is very easy for people to lose their awareness of where they are and should be headed at any given time. Instead they fall into the routine of simply following a trail or marked route and rely on what they are following to be right. With this lack of awareness a small 'complication' can easily head them in the wrong direction because they don't have the idea of what 'should be' in mind.
yess even a tiny thing can throw you into autopilot! cause you're not doing exactly what you expected and it resets your brain in a weird way
I’ve been watching this channel for a year or more now and I notice that Gus is if not often seems grumpy lol woody is the upbeat, bubbly personality and Gus reminds me of squidward at times. Idk how to process that 😂 you two balance each other out well I guess
I think those Google glasses from a few years ago would be something good for divers To have heads up display
I'm an open water diver. And I ride horses. I've spent most of my life around horses, and I have an immense amount of experience and knowledge. I wear a helmet every time I ride and I take all recommended safety precautions. But I'm aware that any time I'm around a horse I could possibly be killed. They're big dangerous animals and their first instinct when something startles them is to run away. It doesn't matter if you're holding the reins or standing in the way when they panic - their only thought is to flee. Many people think riding is the most dangerous part about horses, but they're wrong. Most accidents happen on the ground. Even though I'm aware of all the bad things that could happen I'm not going to let that stop me from doing something I love. I imagine most people who participate in a "dangerous" sport feel the same way.
@@Upstaged07 I seriously tell people I had a near death experience on a horse as a complete novice and they think I'm joking. I had never ridden one and we did one of those rides through the mountains where they say "oh, you don't even have to do anything, the horses know where they're going". I'm quite tall so they put me on a giant who was a race horse in another life and 15 minutes into the 2 hr ride we reach the sandy clearing where they let the horses run on their off time. Mine tried to take off like a shot and I was pulling so hard on the poor thing's reins she literally tried to buck me off. I was only 20 at the time and luckily my dad was behind me, who had much more experience. He pulled his sweet gentle girl up beside me after I yelled "daddy!!" and he said "let go of the reigns, you're hurting her!". I did and I spent the next hour and half gently patting her and apologizing. My dad said later he saw my butt come out of the saddle and knew he had to intervene or I was done in one way or the other, (I was getting OFF that freaking horse!) while I also yelled for the guide who was USELESS. That was the scariest hour and 45 minutes I've ever ridden and I vowed right then I would never get on an animal so much more powerful than me! That horse was in charge and she knew it! It is definitely a dangerous activity to mess with something a hundred times bigger than you, even when you know what you're doing, much less than when you don't!
@@llsher5210 The OP was right when they said most accidents happen when the person us on the ground, BUT most of the FATAL OR CRIPPLING INJURIES happen from falls from a horse.
I've ridden all my life too. I've known quite a few people who broke bones or were put in a (temporary) coma by falls from horses. 2 people I've known were put permanently in wheelchairs, 1 was paralyzed from the neck down, and 1 died. None of those were novices, in fact ALL of them were VERY accomplished horsemen and women. Even with a helmet it IS dangerous.
I have merely been lucky. I very nearly landed on my back on a tree trunk shaped like sharp spike. I missed it by under 3 feet. I would have broken my back and maybe died, because I was alone. For the grace of God...
Now they make vests that work like airbags, but I see them as being of very limited use.
You are wise to be somewhat afraid. A healthy amount of fear is what keeps us alive and well. If it's not for you, that's fine. I couldn't live without horses, and riding is a part of it. But each to his own. I hope you do have some kind of outdoor activity that gives you a connection to nature and some joy.
@@cattymajiv I actually know someone who died as the result of a fall off a horse as well. I think in my case the company doing the guiding was very derelict. They gave us minimal instructions and this when we were already on the horse. I had no idea I was hurting the poor thing because I didn't know how reins worked, I simply thought the harder I pulled the more control I had. And like I said I said the guide was USELESS, my dad had to rescue me and thank God he was right there! I'm sure it wasn't pleasant for the horse either.
We're all cut out for skills and passions other people are not. My husband is an engineer in the automotive industry, his specialty is motorsports engineering, and his passion is motorcycles. I'm not a risk taker by nature and whenever asked if I ride with him my reply is always "nope, I refuse to orphan our children".
I'm actually a medical speech therapist and I've seen the worst of the worst of head injuries, many from motorcycles. However, I've never in our 18 years of marriage tried to dissuade him from riding, because I know he loves it. He mitigates the risks as best he can and I send him off with God.
On the other hand, I've seen things in the medical field most people would blanche at best, vomit, or head for the hills. It doesn't phase me because that is what I was meant to do, it's my passion and skill set. And at times it IS dangerous, don't think a recently head injured patient 3x my size isn't a danger to me or even a dementia patient. But I don't think twice about entering their space because it's my job and it's where I want to be. I've not once been injured (although I know several colleagues who have ) but I have mitigated volatile situations and held the hands of family members and given them hope or consolation.
I live in the CO Rockies and have nature most could never dream of at my feet. But that is a hobby. My most important calling is a mother and a person who helps others. Either is not (usually) a risk taking venture but it is the most fulfilling calling I could ever dream of.
I saw someone suggesting that a rule for diving needs to be if you are going to be using a camera, especially caving, you need to have a buddy whose job it is to keep track of everything. No swapping camera between people or anything, just one person runs the dive and one person runs the camera.
No one feels more invincible then someone holding a camera
That is a good suggestion. Buddy's job to keep track of position, gas, depth, and ensure adherence to the plan.
@@brownmold Exactly. I mean, my partner and I do something similar when doing photography *not* underwater, because we know we both tend to lose situational awareness when using a camera. The rule is we won't both be taking photographs if there's any concern about the safety of the environment we're in. (Traffic, terrain, etc.) The person not taking photos is responsible for keeping an eye on everything for both of us.
Guys, I love your work but I love the dynamic between the two of you more than anything. Do you ever stop and think about how lucky you are to have each other? Well, you are almost as lucky as we are to have you.❤
Gus does look great, glad to see him get in better shape. Kudos man
Cave diving is viewed as highly, highly dangers not because of statistics but because it is one of the most terrifying ways to die... out of air, lost, hopeless... and it's ultimately an unnecessary risk. Driving on the highway is also risky, but I have to go to work.
I would never go cave diving, or diving in general, because I have a phobia of being underwater. Oddly enough, your videos are helping me face that fear in a round about way. In addition to that I get to learn a lot about diving, underwater safety etc while enjoying your friendship dynamic and banter. I applaud the folks brave enough to do these kinds of things, and love that y'all always stress proper safety. Whatever adventures y'all have stay safe, stay aware, and enjoy!
i felt this. i have no knowledge on swimming & don't know how to, but watching their videos encourage me to want to learn. besides that, i've also learned so much about diving and how humans react to water pressure/being underwater, it's all fascinating to learn.
Go play Subnautica. Will ether cure you or give you PTSD. :D
As Rick Stanton rightly pointed out, just because a sport is considered dangerous, doesn't mean you should do it dangerously
So very well said!
have you ever had a spider crawl out of your breath thing
Love your videos !
This was a devastating tragedy that indeed could have been prevented if they were on rebreathers..... and a good promo for them here. Thank you for reacting sensitively to this one. I'm no diver but continue to learn so much from your videos.
There are a lot of hobbies (skydiving, circuit racing) that can get you denied from many insurance carriers. It significantly increases risk compared to normal daily activities, but the rate of failure within the activity may not be that high. Perhaps they look at whether an activity is necessary or not.
Man. I’m not a diver but just the rebreather vs open circuit thing.
I just know the level of things that can go wrong in a dive is massive, and rebreathers give soooo much more flexibility in terms of time.
And down there… under deco commitment situations and emergency situations… time is everything.
Even as a non diver… I feel like I’d feel so much safer on a rebreather than open circuit.
I think permanent signs with arrows and distance indicators is a great idea-especially at the most popular dive sites. Also, there should be guide lines that fluoresce once light is shown on them that way it would be easier to find.
This case was one of the incidents discussed and analyzed during my cave course. My instructor was involved in the body recovery.
IIRC the main issues were following the guide too blindly (basically a trust me dive) and being distracted with their camera.
Gold Line ropes were used in mountaineering way back in 1920's? It was made of hemp.
The ones in caves are not made of hemp but are a very tough synthetic line. Gold line is slightly thicker, with an extra nylon sheath and gold colored and sometimes used to line the more heavily trafficked Main line. Both for wear and to help identify that your on a main line.
With the jump line gaps, assuming your smart, and studied where your going you know.. Okay I hit the end of this line & go left out or right continue.. When you make your path then you pick up the rest of the line. Lesss confusing rather then following one line
I have gone down a rabbit hole of cave diving and have learned so many amazing things about the planet we live on because of it. Also Gus and woody yall are truly an amazing duo and don’t stop being your amazing selves! Thanks for the amazing and inspiring content 🩷
It's truly amazing. Never cave dive.
If a line was broke of id pick it back up & look for the other end bc it's gotta be close by & just tie off & continue with the other side in the direction I'm sure is the surface
Isn't there any rule to understand which line is the one to get to the exit? For example the main line being green, any options to leave a main line, yellow colour, any turns from a yellow line then red lines. This way if you follow a red line you know you are 2 lines away from the exit and you need to look for yellow colour line, and then the green line, with arrows pointing always to the exit. My point is that with any colour line you don't know where to go, in case of taking photos around or looking whatever, you can get disorientated very easily and a mix of arrows and colour code would help deciding whether to continue or exit, if the arrows would have a colour code or even numbers, would still be better.
There is an animated kids show called Octonauts on Netflix, about a team of brave mammals who live underwater and protect the creatures of the sea. They did an episode that takes place in the caves of Sac Actun, and includes cartoon cave diving.
It would be absolutely hilarious if you did a Cave Divers React of "Octonauts and the Caves of Sac Actun."
When people compare the different risks of different hobbies, i don't think anyone brought up the fact that it matters how your last minutes are spent. Laying on a highway while paramedics try to help you is very different than being lost in a dark cave while taking your last breath.
heeyy my favorite cave divers, Gus and Woody 😊, i havnt seen you guys in a fair while, you both look great ❤
Miss a turn and die. Nah, we don’t need arrows and signs for the exit. All these experienced divers dying…. Nah we don’t need arrows and signs….Los Angeles to Las Vegas….crazy
I don’t understand why dive computers don’t have alarms that can be set to monitor air usage and alert the diver to turn back.
Tough choice, just one navigation error doomed them. What do You guys think of a compass as an additional tool to confirm decisions?
I agree with you guys saying that you do it because it’s awesome, a lot of times I get asked why I skate even though people have or can die from it.
At 22:04 that looks like an skull.
I love how the movie Sanctuary is basically b-reel footage for content creators when they cover cave diving. 🤣
Sanctum, do you mean? Yeah! That and The Cave (the one that turns out to be a horror film with the symbiont that turns people into massive bat creatures, but which is a pretty good portrayal of cave diving.)
@@thomasjoychild4962 Sounds like an awful movie though! I can't watch that kind of crap!
I'm not a diver, I am actually just a sailor (small craft). But I find your channel absolutely fascinating. From all of your videos my takeaway is that much like with sailing, the key to mitigating danger when diving, is planning, practice and maintaining constant good environmental awareness.
When I first started sailing nearly twenty years ago I was dragged with my boat's mast down to the seabed after we capsized and after my legs became tangled in the rigging. I could see the sunlight above me on the surface but couldn't free myself because my bouyancy aid was trying to make me float upwards. I would have died if my instructor hadn't been as fast as he was. It was a good lesson and since that day my boats are neat, everyone knows where their legs are and everyone communicates clearly and properly.
Risk is a personal decision- I ride a motorcycle, it's higher risk than being in a cage, but I enjoy it. I try and take steps to mitigate the risk. But ultimately, for me personally the risk is worth it. I'm far calmer and less stressed riding a motorcycle than I am driving a car. Life is to be lived. Live it well.
Non-zero chance of a fatality
Glitter PLA arrows?
People thinking cave diving means death is probably a good attitude to have, so it filters out the amateurs and gets the determined people to make darn sure they're doing everything right.
It's about a feeling of adventure and accomplishment. If you make it easy, where's the enjoyment in that, where's the feel I g of pride. Setting these lines gives you that sense of virtual danger that we all relish as human beings. Give yourself something to be proud of. That's me, I did that. As for complexity. I have to agree. Unnecessary complexity is an invitation to mistakes and disaster. Again, you don't want it to be so easy that the sense of mystery and of being first just isn't there. But you want a modicum of effort to be needed to overcome obstacles. Yeah, it's not true, and dozens have gone before you, but it's fun to let your imagination run a little wild. You want the heart to beat a little faster with a bit of trepidation.
Gus looking trim af, good job buddy
The discussion around underwater signage brought to mind hiking trails. Obviously it's helpful to know where you are on a map and how to navigate the area you're in, but having simple blazes (i.e., a strip of paint on trees/rocks/etc) helps so much when you're not sure where you are at.
I'm sure someone much more familiar than I am with cave diving could develop a similar system to mark out underwater systems.
A question- how do the divers carry those cookies and spools? Do they have pockets in their diving suits, or some sort of tool belt?
Spools are clipped to your harness, usually around your lower back. Cookies and markers are usually on a bungee at your shoulder.
Cave divers will usually have a pouch at their lower back with spare gear and a notebook
A buddy of mine almost died in one of Florida’s tour cave dives. The dive master/tour guide was an easily spooked DEI hire. She got lost, then panicked. By some miracle, the group made it out of there with about 150 psi. When it comes to wreck/cave diving, I admit I’m a pussy, I won’t enter a structure unless I can see the exit.
I’m like of a similar belief when it comes to safety in any activity. Cave diving is a small community and ALL CDs should go out of their way to increase the safety of the community. I can’t help but feel many of these deaths could have been avoided if most did or believed as you do. If there is no consensus on prominently marking exits do it yourselves. Carry a few extra large exit markers and if you come to a juncture or jump point place that extra large marker pointing the way out. So many of these deaths should be avoidable if the community came together and made it a priority. The only thing I see standing in the way would be a few overly large egos. The safer the entire community can make their sport the more that could enjoy it. Again, ego and a “keep it to ourselves” attitude should/would be the only thing standing in the way.
Maybe a dumb question - if you are long into the dive and your rebreather fails and you have to use your normal tanks - would you drop the rebreather and continue without it? Because carrying less weight would last the normal tanks support even longer? Just something I’m wondering about.
Every now and then I get the urge to become a cave diver and then I inevitably end up watching DIVE TALK and decide against the idea... it's a never ending cycle!
Why dont cave divers invent something like short range LIDAR mapping. (I know light does not travel far in water, but it is a cave system and people use flashlights because they are useful)
Small computer with a 360 LIDAR output input sensor that will shoot out infrared light x times every second and map the hits. Then you can make a 3d map of where you have been, the depth and so on. You could practically create augmented reality to show your own way back. Other maps created by others could also be overlay and used as safety to warn when people were going the wrong way.
You can sit around and come up with what if for just about everything on any subject you want and the reality is one of the most dangerous things you can do that most of us do nearly every day is walk out the door and get in your automobile and drive across town. I personally do not see the allure to Cave diving because there is nothing I’ve seen inside of a dry cave that would make me think that there is anything inside of a submerged cave that I would want to see and the only dry cave I’ve seen something like 500 feet underground, but it is a very commercialized well traveled guided tour Through a cave and it is as much as I would want to and for that matter is equally as dangerous if not more so. I don’t have to understand it, but I do enjoy listening to the stories and I enjoy watching the videos not when there is an accident, but I get everything I need watching other people , I get to watch it through your camera. It’s good enough for me. I’m glad you guys enjoy it. I don’t think that they should go closing caves just because people die. We don’t close the roads for more than a few minutes to clean up when people die on them.
Why does the line not go all the way to Grand cenote? Jumps are good because too many "T's" can be confusing. Use your cookies and arrows!
They were 2 bros - geared, skilled, experienced and the cave wasn't hard for them. This is very very strange Oo
I don't know jack sh+t about diving but i love these reaction videos. Very interesting
This channel never gets old
Guy making the video is like 'Please don't let the dive talk guys get mad.."
Don't want to sound harsh but people who have this attitude of "but they did everything right, I don't understand how they died" simply don't understand risk and risk mitigation.
You can do everything by the book and still have an unfavorable outcome, that is the reality of risk, unfortunately there simply are no guarantees in life. Same way you can go cycling, obey all the rules of the road, be super cautious and wear a helmet etc and still have a crash and die... it happens
However doing everything right increases your odds of things ending favorably for you, its the difference between a 50% chance of something going wrong vs a 20% chance
At 34:31 the narrator asks if it is worth risking your life to see these place's??? I will have to answer that question with a RESOUNDING YESSSS and the reason I say that is because there are place's to venture to and see that are just Amazing "I don't know any other word to describe it... Except just AMAZEBALLS LOL" and that you won't be able to see above ground or in a dry cave that you could see in an underwater cave system "Such as the Crystal Caves" I have never even heard of a dry cave with such a beautiful and amazing Crystal structures only a wet cave "Underwater Cave" have I seen or heard of somthing such as this "BTW It's my belief every diver should put abacose on there bucket list 😉 😊 😂
I cliff dive, even though I see throughout the summer that you can die or get seriously injured cliff diving. It's just fun
I can't find my way out of a paper bag. I would miss a jump without question! 😮
Personally, learning how to drive a car on the public road as an 18year old goofball was way more dangerous than me climbing an 8ft boulder with 20years of experience, a crashpad and some mates. It's all about risk mitigation, trusting your skill and knowing your limits. Knowing something is dangerous and thus taking precautions is way safer and logical then pretending it's safe and thus not being aware or prepared. I've always been the former in climbing and I was the latter with driving a car, as driving a car was so normalized I didn't realize the danger at first.