Gus... "here's the gate to hell, I wanna go". Woody... "check out my hat". Love you guys. Both of you have great wisdom to share and are both excellent teachers. Keep up the great work. Proud to be a member.
“more people die in car accidents” FALSE. FOR EVERY 4000 cave dives, there will be one death. For cars you have to do 3,000,000 trips for each death. Cars are waaaaaaaaay safer
“more people die in car accidents” FALSE. FOR EVERY 4000 cave dives, there will be one death. For cars you have to do 3,000,000 trips for each death. Cars are waaaaaaaaay safer
Well in the cave itself yes, but you still need to setup and organize the mission at the surface and that would for sure be safer for the crew if it's done during the day (and since it was body recovery not rescue there wasn't any time pressure anyway)
Here is more about Shannon Lewis from the instructor that was with her: The day of the accident I was training only one student, Dave, as a Basic cave diver. We had already made a couple of dives that morning and were just starting our lunch break when Shannon arrived. I did not know she was coming to North Florida that day and had not talked to her since she completed her Basic cave class in December 2007. It turned out that she had no one to dive with that day and asked me if she could dive with Dave and I. Our plan was for him to conduct a lost line drill and Shannon was happy to tag along and watch Dave do this drill. Shannon then went to rent a set of double tanks to dive with at a local dive shop. A while later after Dave and I had finished our lunch, Shannon came back ready to dive. We planned the dive as described above. It was decided for Dave to enter the ear first, Shannon second and I would be third. We were going to enter and exit the ear. We already had a line in from the morning dives and we agreed we should recheck it on the way in. The three of us conducted normal safety drills in the water, set our turn pressures and began the dive. We got to the bottom of the chimney in the ear and then proceeded another fifteen feet of lateral distance, which is about twenty-five feet from the grim reaper sign, nearest to the entrance. We were still in the cavern zone and could very clearly see daylight. At that point Shannon pointed to her right ear, and indicated a problem. We waited while she continued to clear, she flashed an OK sign and we continued into the cavern zone. She had only moved ten to fifteen feet more of lateral distance, which is about two to three feet deeper when once again she indicated her inability to clear her right ear. Subsequently, I thumbed the dive for her. I flashed my light at Dave and indicated to him she was having an ear issue. We all were still in the daylight zone. Dave and I escorted her back to the bottom of the chimney and watched her ascend to the deco log. We watched her sit on the deco log, exchanged OK signs and then she waved us off. It was my judgment at the time that she was OK and should be able to ascend the final 15 feet to the surface and without any problems. Sometime during our dive, snorkelers found Shannon in Devil’s Ear, brought her to the surface and revived her. She was transported to the hospital via helicopter while we were still in the cave. When my student and I surfaced we were immediately informed. I was absolutely shocked by the turn of events. I was also told that she was alive and responding to the people caring for her. She lived for about two weeks after the accident.
That's absolutely awful. What more could they have done? Besides baby sitting her right to the surface over an ear issue, you couldn't really ask for more. In fact bizarrely, if she had have carried on the cave dive she might have actually done better, just because there would have been people nearby when she had her emergency. Her poor family.
“more people die in car accidents” FALSE. FOR EVERY 4000 cave dives, there will be one death. For cars you have to do 3,000,000 trips for each death. Cars are waaaaaaaaay safer
@@MrSNARFSNARF I'm in the same boat as you all! But I second your comment. I LOVE how interactive they are. They listen to viewers (even though some have garbage opinions. Like that they act like they're the best and elitist. Or that they shouldn't pause so much. OR that they're not sensitive enough...) but you can tell the channel is about passion and education, not solely to generate income!
The datas isnt inaccurate though. Since 2021 alone 3 people have died there. Theres probably more than 28 people that have died since 2010.why don’t you and them do more research instead of making ignorant comments
“more people die in car accidents” FALSE. FOR EVERY 4000 cave dives, there will be one death. For cars you have to do 3,000,000 trips for each death. Cars are waaaaaaaaay safer
I actually have know why certain footage is being shown. Channels that show this content started getting copy right claimed by individuals who filmed certain footage. To be safe, they now try to only use content featured in content libraries that they have paid for, and/or where the owner states the footage can be used for free.
I do not dive. I have never gone diving. I never plan on going diving. Heck, I have not even gone snorkling even in a swimming pool. Yet here I am watching yet another Dive Talk video. The Chernobyl videos got me hooked one day and I haven't stopped watching since I found that video. Appreciate the time you guys put into these videos.
Sounds like me 🤣. The more I watch, the less chance I'll ever try any of it myself. Heck I'm not even curious lol. But I LOVE the videos, the interaction, and learning all of the things I'll never have use for personally. Someone's I even surprise myself and actually recognize issues in a video. In my mind, I'm a virtual visionary cave diver. 😭
“more people die in car accidents” FALSE. FOR EVERY 4000 cave dives, there will be one death. For cars you have to do 3,000,000 trips for each death. Cars are waaaaaaaaay safer
@@ahmedsamy8406 little hard to go diving when I have been homeless for 5 years and continue to never hear back from employers about a job. I gave up about a 2 years back and I'm just waiting to die.
10:36 The point of the video is that the guy is just a ghoul, and he delights in his morbid fascination. He's a guy who will stop on a highway just to take a picture of an accident and drive on. He doesn't care about the victims, he doesn't care about the causes, he only cares that he gets to talk about people who've died in unfortunate circumstances.
It’s 3800ft into the cave. Not 3800ft down. They are talking about going that far straight into the cave which isn’t always straight down. If you went a mile into a dry cave you wouldn’t say that’s your depth, it’s just the literal length of the cave itself.
@@crowmilliken7826 it's 3800 ft in to a cave. Idk if you know the definition of a cave but that means no matter what there is 3800ft you have to travel back before there is no overhead obstruction. It don't matter if it was down or sideways, 3800ft on a testing rebreather is just stupid
The gate to hell is such a funny story when reduced to "Hey why don't we just light this natural gas leak on fire and let itself burn out" Like best case that happened worst case it blows up which thankfully didn't happen. So funny that it just never went out and people took one look at it and went "Yup, definitely the devil at work here, no other explanation."
Hey I’m 15 and you guys educate me so much…I told my mom about some of the things I learned from your videos and she was shocked 😭 keep up the good work gus and woody
Ginnie Springs is a awesome place to go to. Not just for cave diving. It has a beautiful river to go tubing down. Crystal clear water that’s spring fed. My friends and I had a blast camping at Ginnine Springs and tubing all weekend.
I did a quick check of Shannon's death. According to the account of her former dive instructor, she showed up while he was teaching a student and asked to tag-a-long. She didn't mention that she had an infection that lead to disequilibrium as in vertigo not as in buoyancy control problems, and she was having problems clearing. She didn't make it past the cavern zone before they accompanied her to a shallow log where people apparently often do a decompression stop. She waved them off to go back to their business, which teacher and student did. During that time, someone apparently found her drowning or drowned. There happened to be people present with medical training who were able to revive her but she died two or so later in the hospital. When teacher and student surfaced they were shocked to find out what had happened. I gleaned that from several newspaper articles and a scuba forum posting claiming without dispute to be the teacher. He was trying set the record straight about rumors that were flying since it was soon after the accident. Would give a link but closed the tab and am too lazy to look for it again. Just my pointless conjecture: I've had vertigo before. It can make you feel like, out of the blue, you suddenly fell over. Before you really get a chance to think, reflexes kick in to right you which might actually make you fall over. Then you might feel something like the worst ever laying in bed booze spins. Trying to get around even in the best circumstances is pretty difficult, worse than being drunk. I think maybe she was sitting on the log and suddenly felt like she fell over, her reflexes wrongly kicked in and knocked her off the log, maybe the regulator fell out of her mouth. She may have become disoriented while feeling like she was tumbling all over the place in the water, maybe panicked, maybe just couldn't coordinate a swim toward the sun.
That is an accurate account of what happened. The original video mangled the facts badly to the point of being unrecognizable. I was a new cave diver around the time of this incident, and it stuck with me. I personally think it's likely that she was more sick then she realized and simply lost consciousness under water. Possibly from just breathing very shallow combined with her lungs which were still affected by recent/current respirator infection. It's extremely sad, but unfortunately this kind of thing can happen anytime people are in a body of water, it can happen without warning, and it only take a minute or so for it to end in tragedy. I know this incident caused a lot of instructors to re-consider how their policies around divers tagging along with classes. I also know of an incident in which a diver could not start the dive due to some minor issues (similar to Shannon's dive). His dive team made a point to accompany him to the surface and watch him exit the water. They then proceeded to restart their dive. After the dive they found him face down in the parking lot unconscious still in his dive gear. He had suffered a heart attack and later died. I'm sure the divers in both incidents wish they had accompanied the victim one step further as to avoid the outcome, but there also has to be a reasonable cutoff point for any given situation.
During my cavern class, I had pretty intense vertigo due to unequal equalization coming up the Peanut tunnel. The current pushes you out as you ascend at an angle, so you can't really stop to get your bearing. I felt like I was rapidly rotating, and you brain evidently uses this information to cooridate your eye movement, so I couldn't see clearly either. Bad as that was, I don't see how that could translate to being unable to surface in 20ft of water from at that log in Ginnie, unless she panicked in some strange way, or had another adverse condition.
If you ever want to have a panic attack on DRY GROUND just experience an extreme case of vertigo! Positional vertigo is bad enough, but central vestibular vertigo (even if triggered by one ear) can absolutely make you unable to look,talk,think, breath normally, retain memory and vomit violently... All culminating into an uncontrollable panic attack... I'm not sure if that's what happened, but imagine that but underwater breathing through a regulator with the added possibility/anxiety/fear of this causing you to drown... If everyone had the same sensitivity levels to vertigo/vestibular disruption waterboarding would no longer be neccessary for bruiseless "enhanced interrogation " that's for sure... 😐
@@Sethgolas uh extreme vertigo underwater while being sick and you don't get how that could cause you to drown? I knew a chick that would get it so bad she had to stay home and call out sometimes... like couldn't function when she had spells of it...
If people took the “ hell “ part of that seriously there wouldn’t be people doing their training and certifications there .. but once again I probably would have heard this and thought it was the facts so I’m glad you guys were here to clear that up .. love everything I learn from you guys 🍻👍
“more people die in car accidents” FALSE. FOR EVERY 4000 cave dives, there will be one death. For cars you have to do 3,000,000 trips for each death. Cars are waaaaaaaaay safer
I met two U.S. military divers in Grand Cayman. I was leading a dive with typical tourists with the military divers doing there own dive. I watched them and both looked extremely comfortable and buoyancy was rock solid; I told them this after the dive. One had 20,000 dives and "the rookie" only had 10,000.
Wow, it amounts to dive a day for lile 57 years straight. Seems like ex-military diver, unless age standards for army are dramatically different in us.
@@vitkasal950 there's no way this is accurate.. assuming they were 20 when they started diving in the military ( in giving a couple years from 18 since its a more specialized field and not your average military dude gets to do it so they probably had to switch around their MOS and jobs and didn't instantly get in to diving however they did also if they were actual special forces they probably were even older) so that puts them in the 77 to 80 age range I would say when OP talked to them. Also if you are a " military diver " you need to have time to train for other aspects of military... you know like PT, Hit the range, clean the toilets, it's not just fun and games diving. No way they dove every day for 57 years straight even if they dove 3 times a day it would be a ridiculous claim to say 20,000... 2000 and 1000 would be believable over their life time.
Love the video and also the hat Woody! I will say I think it makes sense that a heart attack in a cave counts as a cave diving death because it's definitely a contributing factor. It's way harder to get help in a cave, while at a golf course you just call 911 like anywhere else on land. You can't call 911 until you get out of the cave.
Hey guys, I love your content and I’ve learned so much about diving that I didn’t know! Also, I’m super excited to learn diving now from great instructors. Have a great day 👍
I mean c’mon there’s so much stock free diving footage on a cave diving video so this guy MUST know what he’s talking about! Lol Legitimately spat out my drink at the ‘one of the most experienced divers in the world’ comment 😂. Awesome video as always guys!
“more people die in car accidents” FALSE. FOR EVERY 4000 cave dives, there will be one death. For cars you have to do 3,000,000 trips for each death. Cars are waaaaaaaaay safer
I don't think I've ever hit "Subscribe" harder in my life, and I'm so glad I did! You're videos have literally made my days lately, and I'm no diver or any other type of sports person. You both have great attitudes and personalities, so please just keep doing what you're doing :D (also I think Woody should have a different animal hat for everyday of the week, just my thoughts haha)
I’ve been watching your videos for a while and y’all have inspired me to further advance my diving skills. I recently completed the Diver Rescue and it was 100% worth it.
I saw this video last week and I was about to leave a comment "hey maybe you should do some research... great channel whatever" but then I looked at the comments and about 150 people had already gotten there first. I'm not sure why cave diving has the reputation that it does, people die hiking but you never hear about how dangerous a dirt path is... glad guys like you are around to dispel the myths and misconceptions.
People say it a lot, especially on the “disaster” side of TH-cam. They say they’ll never go hiking because there was once a bear attack, or disappearance. It’s coping with never going outside and taking chances.
Keep in mind that the video they were reacting to is total nonsense. A lot of details are wrong, omitted, and the rest is dramatized. It's all just a bunch of word salad. What actually happened with Shannon is that she was tagging along (not a student in the class, just helping) with an Intro to Cave class. At the very start of the dive, just inside the cave entrance, she couldn't clear her ears and she signaled that she was going to surface and for the class to continue. They watched her get to her safety stop in open water and then continued on the dive. Nobody knows what happened to Shannon while on her safety stop, but she was found unconscious by other divers shortly thereafter. Obviously, given the chance to do it over her dive group would done things differently. I know one of them and they have deep regrets to this day. However, this video implies that Shannon was having some kind of serious issue (it says a bunch of non-sensical stuff about "equalizing nitrogen in her system") and her team just left her. Not being able to go on a dive because you can't equalize your ears is not a cause for a dive team to be alarmed so while the outcome is tragic, I'm not willing to throw her friends under the bus. Anyway, just adding some context since the original video is clearly just trying to generate clicks using the deaths of others.
@@CL-gq3no thanks for the info! I'm sorry for your friend, must be real hard knowing specially knowing the full context. These pseudo drama videos with no research do more harm than good. You'd think people would show more respect and do the research if they're going to talk about deceased persons and the related accidents.
@@DoAqua, I never met Shannon, but I remember the incident well. I was a new cave diver at the time and it had an impact on me. Woody correctly pointed out that the original video has no point and just vague scary sounding language. It gets nearly all of the facts wrong for both incidents. That is a shame because there is something to be learned from both incidents, but nobody is going to learn anything when the stories are told so poorly. So you are exactly right about the pseudo drama video comment.
That's correct...it's all about how much gas would we need if we had to bail out at the worst possible time. Then you can adjust your bailout gas for that...for example, I have two LP50s and two LP85s...if I'm going to do a monster dive, like 3,500 ft penetration and I don't want to stage tanks then I will dive the LP85s, but more than likely nowadays I choose the LP50s and stage a tank somewhere, because it is a pain until you stage the bottle but then you have smaller tanks to swim the rest, rather than not staging but having huge tanks the whole dive.
Again an interesting video! You are doing a great job in analysing other dive videos. As a former scuba diver I really enjoy watching dive talk and already learned a lot. In terms of this video dealing with the Ginnie Springs cave I totally agree with that this video is pointless and does not even try to analyse the reason for the tragic accidents happened there. However, the worst thing is that the video contains any archived sequences having nothing to do with the Gennie Springs cave at all! At 4:50 it shows the tragic death of Audrey Mestre, a French freediver, drowned in 2002 at the Dominican Republic. At 11:05 the body of a drowned diver found at the bottom of the Blue Hole in Dahab (Egypt) is shown. I think it’s not ok to use those terrifying clips just as click bates. Thanks to you guys for carefully analysed and absolutely instructive videos. I’m looking forward to watch your next dive talk videos.
Hey guys, id like to see you guys do a talk over the recent guy who died in florida working for a company who dives to retrieve golf balls, i think you guys do a great job of describing the importance of proper gear and safety witch this guy wasnt even offered or supplied, alot of younger divers such as myself watch your channel for tips and advise, thanks for the good content. im only 10 but would love to dive with you guys sometime
Mad respect to anyone who dives caves. My thalassaphobia already kicks in in not so well lit caverns. Imma gonna stick to them corals, but your channel is still fun and educational, so I'll gladly hang out here and listen.
That whole video seemed to be based on opinion rather than actual facts. I'm sure those deaths while tragic, had some cause behind them. Most likely people not properly trained I imagine. Great video guys!
There is no shortage of these "most deadly" videos on YT, usually created by someone who has no expertise on the topic, but is simply attempting to accumulate clicks. To say that Ginnie is the "most dangerous" cave, would be like saying that Cessna's are the "most dangerous" small aircraft, because more Cessna's are crashed than any other plane. That's because Cessna's are also the most COMMON plane. If you look at crashes per hours flown, Cessna's are actually one of the safest small planes.
“more people die in car accidents” FALSE. FOR EVERY 4000 cave dives, there will be one death. For cars you have to do 3,000,000 trips for each death. Cars are waaaaaaaaay safer
This video is like those 'supernatural sightings' videos were people tell stories about seeing something in the dark in the forest, hearing noises in a remote lost place etc and I just sit there and think 'it's a forest, there is tons of animals that see, hear and smee you without letting you know they are there and that's why you suddenly see a pair of eyes reflecting' or 'it's a abandoned building. There can be all kinds of vermin living inside, there could be squatters, there might be remains of water in pipes that trickles, wind might move stuff'
"...in over her head." is that like the worst diving pun known to divers? I'm a fan of puns, but that made my eyes roll so hard it hurt. Especially given the death involved.
Wow. That video is just click bait. Here I am in High Springs right now doing my CCR course for my Choptima hoping I have time to dive Ginnie again. Whew.
I'm seriously thinking about getting open water certified just so I can go see the entrances to these areas. I don't think I will ever be cave certified but I would also love to learn to use a rebreather and see cool wrecks like in the last video!
Plenty of divers have 0 interest in caves. I'm one. I prefer there to be light and corals or a nice wreck. I don't even do night dives, because it makes me uncomfortable.
Ginnie in my limited experience was AWESOME. And all I did was tour the ballroom which was amazing. I can't wait to go back when I'm told I'm ready for training.
I’ve thought casually about getting a cave cert for a few years but with so many other types of adventurous dives I just put it on the back burner (I’m a DM and Tec 40 certified). You’ve got a damned good channel here and have been watching many episodes. Well, I’m going to Quintana Roo in a few weeks to get Cavern, Intro, and Side Mount certified. Nuff said.
I’m not a diver, but Woody’s first (unpaused) question of “What kind of diver is she?,” was literally my first question too. A true testament to you guys and your fantastic teaching. 2nd death (Mark), he didn’t bring a buddy, and he was using “an experimental rebreather.” What? So he was so experienced, he covered ALL angles, but he (according to you) went farther than you guys normally do WITH AN EXPERIMENTAL REBREATHER! That’s textbook “not covering all the angles.” If something is experimental, you test it under safer conditions to see if it’ll work.
Hey woody and Gus, I'd love it ever so much if you can upload you two diving on rebreethers. The best video I've enjoy the most is when you took that subscriber out to become rebreather certiuicate. I just loved how woody sung and waved to the fishes please more
I only found your channel recently! It's so informative and I really appreciate your energy and commitment to educating the diving and non-diving community. Dispelling the myth and grounding all of us in the reality of what it takes to dive. I wanted to recommend a video for you to react too! There is an anime called Made in Abyss, the premise being cave raiders going into a mythical 7-layered cave known as the abyss. The "abyss curse" mimics nitrogen narcosis, in so far as the deeper in the abyss you go, the harder it is on your body and ability to come back out. Once cave raiders hit a certain layer, it will be impossible for them to come back out. It's a great show which I'm sure took some notes from diving stories. Would love to see you react to it! The main characters are young children who are cave raiders. The show is beautiful but brutal and speaks to the call for adventure and and desire to seek the unknown.
It's been 10 years since I last dived. I got stung by a stingray (wasn't trying to touch them but I was to close). I sold my gear and swor I would never return to the water. After discovering you channel I have decided to get back in. It's been hard to overcome my fears but I know I can do it. Thank you Gus and Woody!
As always CLASS video, your expertise as well as the way you explain and communicate it without being condescending or anything continues to shine, and as a result this amazing channel continues you grow and grow and grow much love woody and gus
Gus took my thoughts right out of my head! I’m a first responder, clinical healthcare worker and psych major who also studies forensic science and I was listening and saying the same exact words! That makes no sense and Gus is right, it’s unfair. That’s like a person becoming “unalive” in a car accident but they had Covid and succumbed to their traumatic injuries from the crash….Covid didn’t kill them? The accident did! (Not trying to be political). I’m just trying to understand because that doesn’t make sense…..then they throw the actual numbers off and that causes misinformation! Damn this got deep very early guys…great video!!❤️❤️
@NoOne I used common sense because my job is to save lives and help people! My job is also to help solve crimes by using critical thinking so I apologize if my comment was not to your liking. It made sense to everyone else but have a wonderful day.😊
I cant stop watching ur vids here on Dive Talk. I dont like diving. Would never dive at all. But man, these vids are so interesting! And think i have learned a whole bit about diving that i never knew. Keep em coming!
If you ever end up in Pennsylvania, check out Centralia, PA. Years back they dug a trash burn pit that was a little too deep in coal country and lit the seam on fire. Only a couple people still live there and it's cool/spooky.
2 weeks ago, couple of my friends and I were hanging out and drinking. My friend mentioned how into cave diving he is and how he wants to do it. I didn't really know what it was unit he started showing me videos (like the Joe Rogan one with that guy and the cowboy hat) and I was like YEAH NOPE. this is 100% supid. Everyone who does cave dives an idiot like why would u even want to look at nothing but rock? Until I found your videos! You guys have changed my perspective on cave diving. I still have 0 interest in doing it (like Gus and just normal caving lol) but i understand why people cave dive as a hobby because it's pretty awesome. Mother nature is so beautiful and pure. Everything down there has been untouched by humans. And if you're properly trained, certified, experienced it's not necessary a scary hobby people set it up to be like me before I watched your videos. I've been watching them for 2 weeks straight and I absolutely love you guys and your content!! Sorry for the long comment wanted to write this to you, Woody and Gus for a while! 😊
I have been watching a lot of your videos on cave diving and cave exploration. It seems on advanced cave diving it is extremely crucial to stick to the dive plan. What do cave divers do if they run into other divers in complex cave systems. I imagine it could make things tricky with leaving air tanks along the way etc. Do divers leave some sort of note or sign to indicate there are people currently diving the cave? I would love to see you do a video on the topic.
I actually live in high springs and love visiting this spring and know a worker there he says every summer there is at least a couple deaths from diving and it is really common which is wild
Recently youtube suggested your videos to me with no interest or knowledge of cave diving aside from the youtube "Top Ten...." style. Now im obsessed and this Saturday im driving 4 hours to go see Ancient Caves in Imax
Hi Gus and Woody, I just wanted to say how great your channel is it's really stirred my interest in cave diving but I'm not a diver yet and have no training whatsoever. So that being said I wanted to ask y'all if you could elaborate on the process of becoming dive certified, and cave certified, also rebreather certification. Aside from understanding the time commitments required for each type of training, I was also wondering if you could speak to the financial investment, for the training and for the different types of equipments and other costs of participating in the sport.
It depends on the type of cave diving you want to do and how much you practice/dive as you work your way up to cave diver. It is a huge investment of time and money that’s for sure. But it is a big goal for many divers and if you work hard you can reach that goal.
Disclaimer: I am not a diver. I am terribly afraid and claustrophobic. I do like learning anything and I'm fascinated with the knowledge you two share for divers. I watch all types of things here but vids like the one you're reviewing drive me nuts for the very reason Woody asked... what's the point. IF I wanted to dive, I know where to find the best info. Yall keep me entertained when I'm bored. Thanks
I just went to the link for the original video to see what kind of reactions they got over there. The darn thing appears to have been removed. I wonder why. ???
They wouldn’t even let my boyfriend get in the water with his gear on until he brought a dive buddy up to them to show he had a buddy they wouldn’t let him dive alone
Have yall covered Silver Glen springs in Florida I grew up camping there back in the day and although I'm not a diver I have free dived into the both springs just to the bottom in the round hole but I have been about 5 feet in the crack in the ground beautiful place most people don't know exist
On the death of Mark Fyvie.. video describes him as one of the most experienced divers in the world. Yet decided to do a solo dive with an experimental rebreather (Megalodon?). That seems a bit of a risky decision.
I'm not a diver, but "testing" a rebreather in a cave instead of in open water also seems like a strange decision. Given the video as a whole, I'm going out on a limb here and say that that's probably the video rather than the diver. By the way, how much cave diving experience did he have? Genuinely interested in the answers. The least I deserve for backseat diving is being corrected ;)
He was ignorant, to say the least, he based the decision on what he wanted to do and it turned out bad. Things in life can't be decided or acted upon based on what our character is or what we like to do, you have to be sound when making decisions, otherwise you can end up in sh*t.
@@JohnSmith-xb4ux absolutely! Even for a non- diver, that seems like common sense. And that's even disregarding the fact that he didn't have backup while testing this experimental equipment. Either you're testing it and thus not taking any chances, or you already know it works and it's not experimental any more. Seems like an odd choice to make. I also wonder how many cave dives were among those 1000 dives. Even if the guy did everything right, those are some questions I would have liked to have at least seen addressed in the video
Mark was doing exploration which has a much higher degree of risk than a normal fun dive. In cave diving exploring is often done solo for some good reasons. Also, the "experimental" aspect of the rebreather was a modification/upgrade intended to make the exploration feasible. So, it's not that he decided on a whim to swim 3800' into the cave for the first time on a modified rebreather. He had upgraded/modified the rebreather over time as he continued to push his exploration further and further over a number of dives. The outcome is still tragic, but it's important to get the context right. There isn't really a contradiction here. Being solo/alone/self-sufficient (for all intents and purposes) and using cutting edge technology is par for the course throughout the history of exploration.
@@CL-gq3no wait, I thought they said that this entire cave system was mapped? Right, that modification thing makes much more sense than "let's solo dive deep into this cave to see if this thing works". Thanks!
That video shows perfectly how bad information gets passes around! I wonder how many divers have seen it, who are not cave certified and think the place is a monster lol. Gus the footage also bugged me as well haha
I love you guys I was thinking if you haven't done it already I thought it would be cool if you guys did a skit talking about your worst or scariest dive and if you can tell us how it could have gone better just a suggestion love you guys👍👍
Most outdoor hobbies are dangerous to a degree, which is why training and proper prep and protocol if something goes wrong is massively important. While I don't cave dive I do a lot of multi day hikes, and you better believe I prep for longer than I'll be out, and have safety nets in place if I'm not back in time.
Heyyy guys I used to work at gennie and man they are telling the truth it's so dangerous these days it's crazy, anywho thanks for the amazing content ❤
Hey guys, lately i been watching videos about the Cueva Cheve in Oaxaca Mexico, is a cave that is being considered as the large cave in the world. A team of explorers go back to the cave every year to continue with the exploration. At this time, i believe the team is training to do some cave diving. I watched a conference from a member of the team that give a brief explanation about the type of equipment needed for this particular cave diving and the technics (would be awesome if you can give us an explanation base in your experience). Just wanted to mention if you want to take a look on the ongoing exploration, and also wondering if you guys would dare to do this type of cave exploration. Greetings from Mexico.
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Gus... "here's the gate to hell, I wanna go". Woody... "check out my hat". Love you guys. Both of you have great wisdom to share and are both excellent teachers. Keep up the great work. Proud to be a member.
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To much weight no air
“more people die in car accidents” FALSE. FOR EVERY 4000 cave dives, there will be one death. For cars you have to do 3,000,000 trips for each death. Cars are waaaaaaaaay safer
I was reading this the same time Woody said that 😂😂 perfect. Love these guys!
@@davidwaynemain🤣🤣🤣🤣 I was cryinggg!! With Gus
‘The body could not be recovered until the next day due to darkness’ HES 3800 into a cave… I’m not sure there’s ever going to be light
“more people die in car accidents” FALSE. FOR EVERY 4000 cave dives, there will be one death. For cars you have to do 3,000,000 trips for each death. Cars are waaaaaaaaay safer
Well in the cave itself yes, but you still need to setup and organize the mission at the surface and that would for sure be safer for the crew if it's done during the day (and since it was body recovery not rescue there wasn't any time pressure anyway)
Just thinking about all the bodies that didn't get picked up until years later... one day ain't so bad
It's the only to let you come in to terms with the fact they drownd
Yeah how dare they wait, they run the risk the diver will come back to life and leave a bad Yelp review...
Here is more about Shannon Lewis from the instructor that was with her:
The day of the accident I was training only one student, Dave, as a Basic cave diver. We had already made a couple of dives that morning and were just starting our lunch break when Shannon arrived. I did not know she was coming to North Florida that day and had not talked to her since she completed her Basic cave class in December 2007.
It turned out that she had no one to dive with that day and asked me if she could dive with Dave and I. Our plan was for him to conduct a lost line drill and Shannon was happy to tag along and watch Dave do this drill.
Shannon then went to rent a set of double tanks to dive with at a local dive shop. A while later after Dave and I had finished our lunch, Shannon came back ready to dive. We planned the dive as described above. It was decided for Dave to enter the ear first, Shannon second and I would be third. We were going to enter and exit the ear. We already had a line in from the morning dives and we agreed we should recheck it on the way in. The three of us conducted normal safety drills in the water, set our turn pressures and began the dive.
We got to the bottom of the chimney in the ear and then proceeded another fifteen feet of lateral distance, which is about twenty-five feet from the grim reaper sign, nearest to the entrance. We were still in the cavern zone and could very clearly see daylight. At that point Shannon pointed to her right ear, and indicated a problem. We waited while she continued to clear, she flashed an OK sign and we continued into the cavern zone. She had only moved ten to fifteen feet more of lateral distance, which is about two to three feet deeper when once again she indicated her inability to clear her right ear.
Subsequently, I thumbed the dive for her. I flashed my light at Dave and indicated to him she was having an ear issue. We all were still in the daylight zone. Dave and I escorted her back to the bottom of the chimney and watched her ascend to the deco log. We watched her sit on the deco log, exchanged OK signs and then she waved us off.
It was my judgment at the time that she was OK and should be able to ascend the final 15 feet to the surface and without any problems.
Sometime during our dive, snorkelers found Shannon in Devil’s Ear, brought her to the surface and revived her. She was transported to the hospital via helicopter while we were still in the cave. When my student and I surfaced we were immediately informed. I was absolutely shocked by the turn of events. I was also told that she was alive and responding to the people caring for her. She lived for about two weeks after the accident.
That's absolutely awful. What more could they have done? Besides baby sitting her right to the surface over an ear issue, you couldn't really ask for more. In fact bizarrely, if she had have carried on the cave dive she might have actually done better, just because there would have been people nearby when she had her emergency. Her poor family.
“more people die in car accidents” FALSE. FOR EVERY 4000 cave dives, there will be one death. For cars you have to do 3,000,000 trips for each death. Cars are waaaaaaaaay safer
Why did she only live for 2 weeks after?
@@updatedotexe Because she died.
@@Upstaged07I don't like how much you made me laugh with this
she was in a coma and they took her off the respiratory
I've been binge watching your videos for weeks now and I can safely say this is my favourite TH-cam channel of all time. You guys are hilarious!
100% and they always are in the comments.
This person gets it 👍🤣
@@MrSNARFSNARF I'm in the same boat as you all!
But I second your comment. I LOVE how interactive they are. They listen to viewers (even though some have garbage opinions. Like that they act like they're the best and elitist. Or that they shouldn't pause so much. OR that they're not sensitive enough...) but you can tell the channel is about passion and education, not solely to generate income!
Did the same awhile back when I found em
im on my 3th day was hooked after 1 vid never seen annything abouth caving before and its so interesting
I love how upset Gus is that they couldn’t even steal the correct footage to go with their inaccurate data…
The datas isnt inaccurate though. Since 2021 alone 3 people have died there. Theres probably more than 28 people that have died since 2010.why don’t you and them do more research instead of making ignorant comments
“more people die in car accidents” FALSE. FOR EVERY 4000 cave dives, there will be one death. For cars you have to do 3,000,000 trips for each death. Cars are waaaaaaaaay safer
They don't have inaccurate data
I actually have know why certain footage is being shown. Channels that show this content started getting copy right claimed by individuals who filmed certain footage. To be safe, they now try to only use content featured in content libraries that they have paid for, and/or where the owner states the footage can be used for free.
I do not dive. I have never gone diving. I never plan on going diving. Heck, I have not even gone snorkling even in a swimming pool. Yet here I am watching yet another Dive Talk video. The Chernobyl videos got me hooked one day and I haven't stopped watching since I found that video. Appreciate the time you guys put into these videos.
Sounds like me 🤣. The more I watch, the less chance I'll ever try any of it myself. Heck I'm not even curious lol. But I LOVE the videos, the interaction, and learning all of the things I'll never have use for personally. Someone's I even surprise myself and actually recognize issues in a video. In my mind, I'm a virtual visionary cave diver. 😭
“more people die in car accidents” FALSE. FOR EVERY 4000 cave dives, there will be one death. For cars you have to do 3,000,000 trips for each death. Cars are waaaaaaaaay safer
SAME HERE!!🙂 I’m also landlocked here in KANSAS!!
Diving is cool you missing a lot
@@ahmedsamy8406 little hard to go diving when I have been homeless for 5 years and continue to never hear back from employers about a job. I gave up about a 2 years back and I'm just waiting to die.
10:36 The point of the video is that the guy is just a ghoul, and he delights in his morbid fascination. He's a guy who will stop on a highway just to take a picture of an accident and drive on. He doesn't care about the victims, he doesn't care about the causes, he only cares that he gets to talk about people who've died in unfortunate circumstances.
I don't even think it's that, just clickbait. There are other channels like him, just tragedy porn trolling for clicks
Why in the world would you go 3,800 ft on a rebreather you are "testing"? Even worse doing it by himself.
It’s 3800ft into the cave. Not 3800ft down. They are talking about going that far straight into the cave which isn’t always straight down. If you went a mile into a dry cave you wouldn’t say that’s your depth, it’s just the literal length of the cave itself.
The man had a death wish :/
@@crowmilliken7826 it's 3800 ft in to a cave. Idk if you know the definition of a cave but that means no matter what there is 3800ft you have to travel back before there is no overhead obstruction. It don't matter if it was down or sideways, 3800ft on a testing rebreather is just stupid
The gate to hell is such a funny story when reduced to "Hey why don't we just light this natural gas leak on fire and let itself burn out" Like best case that happened worst case it blows up which thankfully didn't happen. So funny that it just never went out and people took one look at it and went "Yup, definitely the devil at work here, no other explanation."
Hey I’m 15 and you guys educate me so much…I told my mom about some of the things I learned from your videos and she was shocked 😭 keep up the good work gus and woody
Ginnie Springs is a awesome place to go to. Not just for cave diving. It has a beautiful river to go tubing down. Crystal clear water that’s spring fed. My friends and I had a blast camping at Ginnine Springs and tubing all weekend.
I literally laughed out loud when he said "It is a harbinger of death"!
I did a quick check of Shannon's death. According to the account of her former dive instructor, she showed up while he was teaching a student and asked to tag-a-long. She didn't mention that she had an infection that lead to disequilibrium as in vertigo not as in buoyancy control problems, and she was having problems clearing. She didn't make it past the cavern zone before they accompanied her to a shallow log where people apparently often do a decompression stop. She waved them off to go back to their business, which teacher and student did. During that time, someone apparently found her drowning or drowned. There happened to be people present with medical training who were able to revive her but she died two or so later in the hospital. When teacher and student surfaced they were shocked to find out what had happened. I gleaned that from several newspaper articles and a scuba forum posting claiming without dispute to be the teacher. He was trying set the record straight about rumors that were flying since it was soon after the accident. Would give a link but closed the tab and am too lazy to look for it again.
Just my pointless conjecture: I've had vertigo before. It can make you feel like, out of the blue, you suddenly fell over. Before you really get a chance to think, reflexes kick in to right you which might actually make you fall over. Then you might feel something like the worst ever laying in bed booze spins. Trying to get around even in the best circumstances is pretty difficult, worse than being drunk. I think maybe she was sitting on the log and suddenly felt like she fell over, her reflexes wrongly kicked in and knocked her off the log, maybe the regulator fell out of her mouth. She may have become disoriented while feeling like she was tumbling all over the place in the water, maybe panicked, maybe just couldn't coordinate a swim toward the sun.
That is an accurate account of what happened. The original video mangled the facts badly to the point of being unrecognizable. I was a new cave diver around the time of this incident, and it stuck with me.
I personally think it's likely that she was more sick then she realized and simply lost consciousness under water. Possibly from just breathing very shallow combined with her lungs which were still affected by recent/current respirator infection. It's extremely sad, but unfortunately this kind of thing can happen anytime people are in a body of water, it can happen without warning, and it only take a minute or so for it to end in tragedy.
I know this incident caused a lot of instructors to re-consider how their policies around divers tagging along with classes. I also know of an incident in which a diver could not start the dive due to some minor issues (similar to Shannon's dive). His dive team made a point to accompany him to the surface and watch him exit the water. They then proceeded to restart their dive. After the dive they found him face down in the parking lot unconscious still in his dive gear. He had suffered a heart attack and later died. I'm sure the divers in both incidents wish they had accompanied the victim one step further as to avoid the outcome, but there also has to be a reasonable cutoff point for any given situation.
During my cavern class, I had pretty intense vertigo due to unequal equalization coming up the Peanut tunnel. The current pushes you out as you ascend at an angle, so you can't really stop to get your bearing. I felt like I was rapidly rotating, and you brain evidently uses this information to cooridate your eye movement, so I couldn't see clearly either. Bad as that was, I don't see how that could translate to being unable to surface in 20ft of water from at that log in Ginnie, unless she panicked in some strange way, or had another adverse condition.
Wow that's unfortunate, but thanks for more clarification.
If you ever want to have a panic attack on DRY GROUND just experience an extreme case of vertigo! Positional vertigo is bad enough, but central vestibular vertigo (even if triggered by one ear) can absolutely make you unable to look,talk,think, breath normally, retain memory and vomit violently... All culminating into an uncontrollable panic attack... I'm not sure if that's what happened, but imagine that but underwater breathing through a regulator with the added possibility/anxiety/fear of this causing you to drown... If everyone had the same sensitivity levels to vertigo/vestibular disruption waterboarding would no longer be neccessary for bruiseless "enhanced interrogation " that's for sure... 😐
@@Sethgolas uh extreme vertigo underwater while being sick and you don't get how that could cause you to drown? I knew a chick that would get it so bad she had to stay home and call out sometimes... like couldn't function when she had spells of it...
Woody has the greatest smile. You can tell this man loves what he does.
yeah. if only he has a single twin brother who doesn't dive, I'd love to meet him 😆
I love that you put in the metric to imperial (and vice versa) units whenever you talk about measurements.
If people took the “ hell “ part of that seriously there wouldn’t be people doing their training and certifications there .. but once again I probably would have heard this and thought it was the facts so I’m glad you guys were here to clear that up .. love everything I learn from you guys 🍻👍
“more people die in car accidents” FALSE. FOR EVERY 4000 cave dives, there will be one death. For cars you have to do 3,000,000 trips for each death. Cars are waaaaaaaaay safer
I met two U.S. military divers in Grand Cayman. I was leading a dive with typical tourists with the military divers doing there own dive. I watched them and both looked extremely comfortable and buoyancy was rock solid; I told them this after the dive. One had 20,000 dives and "the rookie" only had 10,000.
Wow, it amounts to dive a day for lile 57 years straight. Seems like ex-military diver, unless age standards for army are dramatically different in us.
@@vitkasal950 Or they're just full of shit.
@@vitkasal950 there's no way this is accurate.. assuming they were 20 when they started diving in the military ( in giving a couple years from 18 since its a more specialized field and not your average military dude gets to do it so they probably had to switch around their MOS and jobs and didn't instantly get in to diving however they did also if they were actual special forces they probably were even older) so that puts them in the 77 to 80 age range I would say when OP talked to them. Also if you are a " military diver " you need to have time to train for other aspects of military... you know like PT, Hit the range, clean the toilets, it's not just fun and games diving. No way they dove every day for 57 years straight even if they dove 3 times a day it would be a ridiculous claim to say 20,000... 2000 and 1000 would be believable over their life time.
BS
It is likely they were talking about dive hours not individual dives. Kinda like flight hours or practice hours towards mastery.
They buy the diving footage or use royalty free clips.
Big channels will not use accurate diving clips from TH-cam because of copyrights.
Love the video and also the hat Woody! I will say I think it makes sense that a heart attack in a cave counts as a cave diving death because it's definitely a contributing factor. It's way harder to get help in a cave, while at a golf course you just call 911 like anywhere else on land. You can't call 911 until you get out of the cave.
Hey guys, I love your content and I’ve learned so much about diving that I didn’t know! Also, I’m super excited to learn diving now from great instructors. Have a great day 👍
I mean c’mon there’s so much stock free diving footage on a cave diving video so this guy MUST know what he’s talking about! Lol
Legitimately spat out my drink at the ‘one of the most experienced divers in the world’ comment 😂. Awesome video as always guys!
Yeah same! Almost had a simultaneous reaction with gus 😅🤣
Edd sorenson, mike young, sheck exley, mike or mark or whatever, jacques cousteu. All famous divers, for sure.
“more people die in car accidents” FALSE. FOR EVERY 4000 cave dives, there will be one death. For cars you have to do 3,000,000 trips for each death. Cars are waaaaaaaaay safer
I don't think I've ever hit "Subscribe" harder in my life, and I'm so glad I did! You're videos have literally made my days lately, and I'm no diver or any other type of sports person. You both have great attitudes and personalities, so please just keep doing what you're doing :D (also I think Woody should have a different animal hat for everyday of the week, just my thoughts haha)
I’ve been watching your videos for a while and y’all have inspired me to further advance my diving skills. I recently completed the Diver Rescue and it was 100% worth it.
I saw this video last week and I was about to leave a comment "hey maybe you should do some research... great channel whatever" but then I looked at the comments and about 150 people had already gotten there first. I'm not sure why cave diving has the reputation that it does, people die hiking but you never hear about how dangerous a dirt path is... glad guys like you are around to dispel the myths and misconceptions.
People say it a lot, especially on the “disaster” side of TH-cam. They say they’ll never go hiking because there was once a bear attack, or disappearance. It’s coping with never going outside and taking chances.
I've gone from loving "scary cave diving death" videos... To despising them, after learning from you guys.
Regarding the first incident, her friends LEFT when she had a known problem?? Yikes. That goes against everything we learn starting in OWD.
Keep in mind that the video they were reacting to is total nonsense. A lot of details are wrong, omitted, and the rest is dramatized. It's all just a bunch of word salad. What actually happened with Shannon is that she was tagging along (not a student in the class, just helping) with an Intro to Cave class. At the very start of the dive, just inside the cave entrance, she couldn't clear her ears and she signaled that she was going to surface and for the class to continue. They watched her get to her safety stop in open water and then continued on the dive. Nobody knows what happened to Shannon while on her safety stop, but she was found unconscious by other divers shortly thereafter. Obviously, given the chance to do it over her dive group would done things differently. I know one of them and they have deep regrets to this day. However, this video implies that Shannon was having some kind of serious issue (it says a bunch of non-sensical stuff about "equalizing nitrogen in her system") and her team just left her. Not being able to go on a dive because you can't equalize your ears is not a cause for a dive team to be alarmed so while the outcome is tragic, I'm not willing to throw her friends under the bus. Anyway, just adding some context since the original video is clearly just trying to generate clicks using the deaths of others.
@@CL-gq3no thanks for the info! I'm sorry for your friend, must be real hard knowing specially knowing the full context.
These pseudo drama videos with no research do more harm than good. You'd think people would show more respect and do the research if they're going to talk about deceased persons and the related accidents.
@@DoAqua, I never met Shannon, but I remember the incident well. I was a new cave diver at the time and it had an impact on me.
Woody correctly pointed out that the original video has no point and just vague scary sounding language. It gets nearly all of the facts wrong for both incidents. That is a shame because there is something to be learned from both incidents, but nobody is going to learn anything when the stories are told so poorly. So you are exactly right about the pseudo drama video comment.
11:23 love your reaction, Gus.
When you guys are diving CCR, how do you calculate what your penetration distance is; is it restricted by your bail out bottle capacity?
That's correct...it's all about how much gas would we need if we had to bail out at the worst possible time. Then you can adjust your bailout gas for that...for example, I have two LP50s and two LP85s...if I'm going to do a monster dive, like 3,500 ft penetration and I don't want to stage tanks then I will dive the LP85s, but more than likely nowadays I choose the LP50s and stage a tank somewhere, because it is a pain until you stage the bottle but then you have smaller tanks to swim the rest, rather than not staging but having huge tanks the whole dive.
Again an interesting video! You are doing a great job in analysing other dive videos. As a former scuba diver I really enjoy watching dive talk and already learned a lot. In terms of this video dealing with the Ginnie Springs cave I totally agree with that this video is pointless and does not even try to analyse the reason for the tragic accidents happened there. However, the worst thing is that the video contains any archived sequences having nothing to do with the Gennie Springs cave at all! At 4:50 it shows the tragic death of Audrey Mestre, a French freediver, drowned in 2002 at the Dominican Republic. At 11:05 the body of a drowned diver found at the bottom of the Blue Hole in Dahab (Egypt) is shown. I think it’s not ok to use those terrifying clips just as click bates.
Thanks to you guys for carefully analysed and absolutely instructive videos. I’m looking forward to watch your next dive talk videos.
Really appreciate you putting the meter conversion on the video makes it much easier to follow for me as I’m Australian
Woody was spot on in this video, his new hat deserves recognition!!
❤️😂 Love you guys.
Hey guys, id like to see you guys do a talk over the recent guy who died in florida working for a company who dives to retrieve golf balls, i think you guys do a great job of describing the importance of proper gear and safety witch this guy wasnt even offered or supplied, alot of younger divers such as myself watch your channel for tips and advise, thanks for the good content. im only 10 but would love to dive with you guys sometime
Mad respect to anyone who dives caves. My thalassaphobia already kicks in in not so well lit caverns. Imma gonna stick to them corals, but your channel is still fun and educational, so I'll gladly hang out here and listen.
1 year ago at 20k… great seeing you guys blow up!
That whole video seemed to be based on opinion rather than actual facts. I'm sure those deaths while tragic, had some cause behind them. Most likely people not properly trained I imagine. Great video guys!
There is no shortage of these "most deadly" videos on YT, usually created by someone who has no expertise on the topic, but is simply attempting to accumulate clicks. To say that Ginnie is the "most dangerous" cave, would be like saying that Cessna's are the "most dangerous" small aircraft, because more Cessna's are crashed than any other plane. That's because Cessna's are also the most COMMON plane. If you look at crashes per hours flown, Cessna's are actually one of the safest small planes.
“more people die in car accidents” FALSE. FOR EVERY 4000 cave dives, there will be one death. For cars you have to do 3,000,000 trips for each death. Cars are waaaaaaaaay safer
This video is like those 'supernatural sightings' videos were people tell stories about seeing something in the dark in the forest, hearing noises in a remote lost place etc and I just sit there and think 'it's a forest, there is tons of animals that see, hear and smee you without letting you know they are there and that's why you suddenly see a pair of eyes reflecting' or 'it's a abandoned building. There can be all kinds of vermin living inside, there could be squatters, there might be remains of water in pipes that trickles, wind might move stuff'
Holy shit congratulations on nearly 200k, I found your videos at
"...in over her head." is that like the worst diving pun known to divers? I'm a fan of puns, but that made my eyes roll so hard it hurt. Especially given the death involved.
Thank you for the foot - meter translation during the video!
Wow. That video is just click bait. Here I am in High Springs right now doing my CCR course for my Choptima hoping I have time to dive Ginnie again. Whew.
Love your channel. Glad I found it. Now I gotta get an "Octopus are aliens" mug. (Love that too. :) 🐙
I'm seriously thinking about getting open water certified just so I can go see the entrances to these areas. I don't think I will ever be cave certified but I would also love to learn to use a rebreather and see cool wrecks like in the last video!
Plenty of divers have 0 interest in caves. I'm one. I prefer there to be light and corals or a nice wreck. I don't even do night dives, because it makes me uncomfortable.
@@IreneWY a night dive sounds like the worst idea ever, terrifying.
Ginnie in my limited experience was AWESOME. And all I did was tour the ballroom which was amazing. I can't wait to go back when I'm told I'm ready for training.
I’ve thought casually about getting a cave cert for a few years but with so many other types of adventurous dives I just put it on the back burner (I’m a DM and Tec 40 certified). You’ve got a damned good channel here and have been watching many episodes. Well, I’m going to Quintana Roo in a few weeks to get Cavern, Intro, and Side Mount certified. Nuff said.
I’m not a diver, but Woody’s first (unpaused) question of “What kind of diver is she?,” was literally my first question too. A true testament to you guys and your fantastic teaching. 2nd death (Mark), he didn’t bring a buddy, and he was using “an experimental rebreather.” What? So he was so experienced, he covered ALL angles, but he (according to you) went farther than you guys normally do WITH AN EXPERIMENTAL REBREATHER! That’s textbook “not covering all the angles.” If something is experimental, you test it under safer conditions to see if it’ll work.
Everybody with a keyboard pretends to be a expert 😂
Hey woody and Gus, I'd love it ever so much if you can upload you two diving on rebreethers. The best video I've enjoy the most is when you took that subscriber out to become rebreather certiuicate. I just loved how woody sung and waved to the fishes please more
That opening of the video and the reactions was perfection :D
Even saying "Ginnie Springs" puts your life at risk. Stay safe guys.
“Gateway to Hell.” I absolutely love that intro.
On a Dive Talk binge. Thanks for the new video.
I only found your channel recently! It's so informative and I really appreciate your energy and commitment to educating the diving and non-diving community. Dispelling the myth and grounding all of us in the reality of what it takes to dive. I wanted to recommend a video for you to react too! There is an anime called Made in Abyss, the premise being cave raiders going into a mythical 7-layered cave known as the abyss. The "abyss curse" mimics nitrogen narcosis, in so far as the deeper in the abyss you go, the harder it is on your body and ability to come back out. Once cave raiders hit a certain layer, it will be impossible for them to come back out. It's a great show which I'm sure took some notes from diving stories. Would love to see you react to it! The main characters are young children who are cave raiders. The show is beautiful but brutal and speaks to the call for adventure and and desire to seek the unknown.
You know it’s a good Monday when five talk uploads. Love you woody and Gus ! New favorite channel since about a month ago!
I meant dive ! 🥲 dang auto correct
It's been 10 years since I last dived. I got stung by a stingray (wasn't trying to touch them but I was to close). I sold my gear and swor I would never return to the water. After discovering you channel I have decided to get back in. It's been hard to overcome my fears but I know I can do it. Thank you Gus and Woody!
Thanks for sharing this kind of videos and expose in such a polite way all the misinformation there is out there!
As always CLASS video, your expertise as well as the way you explain and communicate it without being condescending or anything continues to shine, and as a result this amazing channel continues you grow and grow and grow
much love woody and gus
I've been there a few times! When I think of scuba diving at all that's the first place that comes to mind! Great video!
Gus took my thoughts right out of my head! I’m a first responder, clinical healthcare worker and psych major who also studies forensic science and I was listening and saying the same exact words! That makes no sense and Gus is right, it’s unfair. That’s like a person becoming “unalive” in a car accident but they had Covid and succumbed to their traumatic injuries from the crash….Covid didn’t kill them? The accident did! (Not trying to be political). I’m just trying to understand because that doesn’t make sense…..then they throw the actual numbers off and that causes misinformation! Damn this got deep very early guys…great video!!❤️❤️
And their name was Albert Einstein
LOL
@NoOne I used common sense because my job is to save lives and help people! My job is also to help solve crimes by using critical thinking so I apologize if my comment was not to your liking. It made sense to everyone else but have a wonderful day.😊
@@davidr5284 😂😂😂
@NoOne help me understand lol!
I don’t even have interest in diving EVER. But I enjoy the hell out of listening to your both. Thanks for the content guys!
Love you guys, since I’ve been watching your channel I’ve got another thing to look forward to in life. More DiveTalk videos! 🎉
I cant stop watching ur vids here on Dive Talk. I dont like diving. Would never dive at all. But man, these vids are so interesting! And think i have learned a whole bit about diving that i never knew. Keep em coming!
You guys should react to the plura cave diving incident on the channel scary interesting
"Where's my keyboard!" I knew that first line would make Woody roll his eyes. Also, thank you for including metres :) 🇨🇦
If you ever end up in Pennsylvania, check out Centralia, PA. Years back they dug a trash burn pit that was a little too deep in coal country and lit the seam on fire. Only a couple people still live there and it's cool/spooky.
2 weeks ago, couple of my friends and I were hanging out and drinking. My friend mentioned how into cave diving he is and how he wants to do it. I didn't really know what it was unit he started showing me videos (like the Joe Rogan one with that guy and the cowboy hat) and I was like YEAH NOPE. this is 100% supid. Everyone who does cave dives an idiot like why would u even want to look at nothing but rock? Until I found your videos! You guys have changed my perspective on cave diving. I still have 0 interest in doing it (like Gus and just normal caving lol) but i understand why people cave dive as a hobby because it's pretty awesome. Mother nature is so beautiful and pure. Everything down there has been untouched by humans. And if you're properly trained, certified, experienced it's not necessary a scary hobby people set it up to be like me before I watched your videos. I've been watching them for 2 weeks straight and I absolutely love you guys and your content!! Sorry for the long comment wanted to write this to you, Woody and Gus for a while! 😊
I have been watching a lot of your videos on cave diving and cave exploration. It seems on advanced cave diving it is extremely crucial to stick to the dive plan. What do cave divers do if they run into other divers in complex cave systems. I imagine it could make things tricky with leaving air tanks along the way etc. Do divers leave some sort of note or sign to indicate there are people currently diving the cave? I would love to see you do a video on the topic.
While it's unlikely that I'll ever go diving, I live hearing different perspectives from those that do. Great, thoughtful content guys. Thanks.
The Interstate near my apartment has had thousands of more deaths than the back alley behind the industrial complex. Clearly, the back alley is safer.
I actually live in high springs and love visiting this spring and know a worker there he says every summer there is at least a couple deaths from diving and it is really common which is wild
Recently youtube suggested your videos to me with no interest or knowledge of cave diving aside from the youtube "Top Ten...." style. Now im obsessed and this Saturday im driving 4 hours to go see Ancient Caves in Imax
I love free diving in ginnie springs, haven't got the chance to dive the ballroom since I've been scuba certified but I really want to.
Been here since at least 60k your subs are growing SO fast!!!
5:00 "Orrrr perhaps she was simply a bit in over her head" - Was that supposed to be a pun? Classy.
@ 1:40 oh woody, he's a professor at knowing how to make Gus go low-key crazy lol
So Mark was a Profi that dives very calculated and leaves nothing to Chance....but he dives into a cave alone? .....
Stupid Question Alert!!!! If you get a headache Diving in a Cave Can you take a couple Asprin Capsules? No one has to answer just curious. 🙂
Thanks for putting the metric conversions in as you speak👍
Woody: "What's the point of this video?"
Oheeeoh: "They want people to click on it"
Hi Gus and Woody, I just wanted to say how great your channel is it's really stirred my interest in cave diving but I'm not a diver yet and have no training whatsoever. So that being said I wanted to ask y'all if you could elaborate on the process of becoming dive certified, and cave certified, also rebreather certification. Aside from understanding the time commitments required for each type of training, I was also wondering if you could speak to the financial investment, for the training and for the different types of equipments and other costs of participating in the sport.
It depends on the type of cave diving you want to do and how much you practice/dive as you work your way up to cave diver. It is a huge investment of time and money that’s for sure. But it is a big goal for many divers and if you work hard you can reach that goal.
Im glad to wake up to these guys, btw Gus watch game is sick
Man, I’ve been bored watching videos on TH-cam today, notifications don’t seem to work for me. I could’ve watched you guys 3 hours ago!
I dont cave dive at all but i love you guys and your channel. You guys are chill. I found ed sorensen through you . Hes awesome too
Disclaimer: I am not a diver. I am terribly afraid and claustrophobic. I do like learning anything and I'm fascinated with the knowledge you two share for divers. I watch all types of things here but vids like the one you're reviewing drive me nuts for the very reason Woody asked... what's the point.
IF I wanted to dive, I know where to find the best info.
Yall keep me entertained when I'm bored. Thanks
I love all yalls stuff one of my top 3 channels to watch.
I just went to the link for the original video to see what kind of reactions they got over there. The darn thing appears to have been removed. I wonder why. ???
They wouldn’t even let my boyfriend get in the water with his gear on until he brought a dive buddy up to them to show he had a buddy they wouldn’t let him dive alone
Have yall covered Silver Glen springs in Florida I grew up camping there back in the day and although I'm not a diver I have free dived into the both springs just to the bottom in the round hole but I have been about 5 feet in the crack in the ground beautiful place most people don't know exist
On the death of Mark Fyvie.. video describes him as one of the most experienced divers in the world. Yet decided to do a solo dive with an experimental rebreather (Megalodon?). That seems a bit of a risky decision.
I'm not a diver, but "testing" a rebreather in a cave instead of in open water also seems like a strange decision. Given the video as a whole, I'm going out on a limb here and say that that's probably the video rather than the diver.
By the way, how much cave diving experience did he have?
Genuinely interested in the answers. The least I deserve for backseat diving is being corrected ;)
He was ignorant, to say the least, he based the decision on what he wanted to do and it turned out bad. Things in life can't be decided or acted upon based on what our character is or what we like to do, you have to be sound when making decisions, otherwise you can end up in sh*t.
@@JohnSmith-xb4ux absolutely! Even for a non- diver, that seems like common sense. And that's even disregarding the fact that he didn't have backup while testing this experimental equipment. Either you're testing it and thus not taking any chances, or you already know it works and it's not experimental any more. Seems like an odd choice to make. I also wonder how many cave dives were among those 1000 dives.
Even if the guy did everything right, those are some questions I would have liked to have at least seen addressed in the video
Mark was doing exploration which has a much higher degree of risk than a normal fun dive. In cave diving exploring is often done solo for some good reasons. Also, the "experimental" aspect of the rebreather was a modification/upgrade intended to make the exploration feasible. So, it's not that he decided on a whim to swim 3800' into the cave for the first time on a modified rebreather. He had upgraded/modified the rebreather over time as he continued to push his exploration further and further over a number of dives. The outcome is still tragic, but it's important to get the context right. There isn't really a contradiction here. Being solo/alone/self-sufficient (for all intents and purposes) and using cutting edge technology is par for the course throughout the history of exploration.
@@CL-gq3no wait, I thought they said that this entire cave system was mapped?
Right, that modification thing makes much more sense than "let's solo dive deep into this cave to see if this thing works".
Thanks!
That video shows perfectly how bad information gets passes around! I wonder how many divers have seen it, who are not cave certified and think the place is a monster lol. Gus the footage also bugged me as well haha
Could you guys review Dive Addicts CCR vid.?Thanks and your channel is very informative .
I love you guys I was thinking if you haven't done it already I thought it would be cool if you guys did a skit talking about your worst or scariest dive and if you can tell us how it could have gone better just a suggestion love you guys👍👍
I love your hat, Woody. LMAO😂😂
It's always a damn good day when you guys upload a new video. Gonna grab a coffee and watch this masterpiece.
I can't get enough of these react vids. Keep them coming guys 👍
Well,they are..literally 2 or even 3 videos per week.
Most outdoor hobbies are dangerous to a degree, which is why training and proper prep and protocol if something goes wrong is massively important. While I don't cave dive I do a lot of multi day hikes, and you better believe I prep for longer than I'll be out, and have safety nets in place if I'm not back in time.
Ayo Dive Talk… Gus, with no disrespect,any way you could talk about diving for us bigger guys? You give me more confidence and for that I thank you 🙏🏼
Heyyy guys I used to work at gennie and man they are telling the truth it's so dangerous these days it's crazy, anywho thanks for the amazing content ❤
Hey guys, lately i been watching videos about the Cueva Cheve in Oaxaca Mexico, is a cave that is being considered as the large cave in the world. A team of explorers go back to the cave every year to continue with the exploration. At this time, i believe the team is training to do some cave diving. I watched a conference from a member of the team that give a brief explanation about the type of equipment needed for this particular cave diving and the technics (would be awesome if you can give us an explanation base in your experience). Just wanted to mention if you want to take a look on the ongoing exploration, and also wondering if you guys would dare to do this type of cave exploration. Greetings from Mexico.
Im a JAWS baby in so much that I did NOT choose a water going rate in the military. Dive Talk is the best; feel these guys are honest and caring.
as soon as I saw this drop on the other channel I knew ya'll were going to do it :D