Divers React to Drowned while forcing through
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.พ. 2025
- Three divers go diving at Eagle's Nest - considered 'The Mount Everest of Cave Diving', and only one survived. Here's their story.
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I actually love the long conversations in the middle to be honest. Breaks up the reaction and gives time to ponder.
@@WarriorOfSIN wrong
@@671Neuhofalmost like people can have different opinions don’t pretend it’s objective I like the commentary
@@JaySay28 i find myself watching reaction channels and end up just clicking on the original video because i'm uninterested in what they have to say, but it's different with these guys.
Same, I want to hear what they have to say, not just their reactions.
@@mitchie985
Agree 💯
It is different with these guys. They are experts on the topic they react to. It's rather unique in comparison to other "reaction" channels.
I love to hear their input 👍
Yeah, if you say you be back by 3, and you’re not, I’m calling rescue. If you show up after another 30 minutes, great, we can tell them it was a false alarm.
Agreed. Just tell them they aren't back at the ageed apon time. People need to realize its not like a fire truck. Its going to take a while for trained rescuers to stop what they are doing, go get their gear, get to the area (hernando county is big, and you could easily be 30 mins away by car just to the preserve.) Then they still have to spend time finding you.
this man waited 3hrs!!!????!? like yes if they are not back at 3:00pm, call 911 at 3:00pm, not 6??? like what?
I definitely wouldn’t wait more than 15/20 minutes…
calling instantly, i think, it’s a bit excessive
If you call for rescue every single time someone doesn’t show up the moment the clock hits “3pm”, you’re gonna become everyone’s nightmare..
like imagine you are maybe having to decompress for a lil bit longer, and you are just sitting there knowing your partner is mobilising search and rescue cause you are 2 minutes over time 💀like…
If i still have air and it’s been just a few minutes since the determined time, i’d at least go down a bit and see if my partner is coming, before i start calling
But what if you had to pay a $500 fee for every false alarm? Does that change your decision?
911 ain't free, bro
Good plan.
I'm going to offer a slightly different perspective. To be clear, I am NOT a cave diver. I am a firefighter who worked in swiftwater rescue. No cave or diving experience, only surface.
One of the biggest things you need to factor in when deciding at what point after a failure to return 911 should be contacted is time. Specifically, the time it will take to get the right resources in place. We'll move as fast as we can, but it will take us a while.
For cave diving we would need to contact a specialized team with the right certifications and training. That can take an hour or two to actually get them activated, on the road, and to the site. Maybe more. Then there's the gear up and planning time. Granted we try to keep that short, but every second counts in a situation like this.
Though I never want to discuorage anyone from calling for help, with a specialized situation like cave diving, your best option if qualified is to perform a self rescue or rescue of your buddy if you think you can safely do so. Get us started as soon as you hit the decision point, but if you think you can rescue your buddy go for it.
Thank you, Gus and Woody, for covering topics like this.
I'm not EMS, and am only open circuit, non tech diver. But I've been in a fair bit of emergency planning environments (Things like living on a boat, multi day passages, situations where EMS might not be reachable quickly, let alone response time).
I was going to comment something similar. But I'd be interested in a firefighter's perspective on this one aspect: you get to the decision point. lets say 30 minutes, and lets say 30 minutes is reasonable. You call EMS and they get started on their end gathering the team and deploying (in this case to a fairly secluded spot it seems). You have the gas and ability to go after the missing diver.
I see threeish outcomes.
1) you find them, bring them back, everyone's fine. you call 911 back and update them, and call's cancelled. any hard feelings?
2) you find them, bring them back, not everythings fine. ems is already en route and this seems fine to me
3) you don't find them.
3 splits off, either you don’t find them, they surfaced in the mean time. i assume whatever should happen here can be planned (leave a note, and figure out what should happen)
if you don’t find them, but everyone’s still in the water. EMS gets here without anyone to question at the surface, and two divers in the water. Is this a meaningful detriment that outweighs the risk of not getting rescue to the missing diver asap?
sorry this is a bit rambly, but if i found myself in the situation, i think i would call ems and then conduct search and rescue as i've had training for it. but i don’t know if there’s complicating factors to consider in that decision?
@@aviananalyst404 those are very good questions. To start with, in your first scenario there would be no hard feelings. Most of us would just be relieved they are ok and happy we no longer have to conduct the dive. It is always better to get the wheels spinning and not need them than to face the opposite situation.
The second scenario would be fairly similar. We’d be happy they’re out of the water, and it would enable us to start rapidly addressing the rest of the issues.
In the third scenario, I would start by saying it is critical that you are as descriptive as you can possibly be in the initial 911 call. “I am going back down to perform a search. I will be going through X entrance, maximum time submerged will be Y. I have X PSI left, which I expect to last me X amount of minutes or hours. Last confirmed sighting of the two missing divers was in X location at Y time, with an intended destination of Z.” This way you convey all possible information to the dispatcher. You also need to confirm that they understood and have copied down the information prior to hanging up. I would also try to leave a written note with the same information for either Fire/EMS or the missing divers to see. Leave bits of gear on the shore where you went in if possible- even a jacket or something to help them see where you entered and find the note.
At the end of the day you are the best judge of the limits of your own training and abilities. If you do not feel it would be safe enough for you to conduct the dive, don’t do it. Waiting on shore is a perfectly valid option in that situation. Tell us everything you know when we arrive and let us pick your brain for additional information.
@@headshot_hermionegranger7401 Thank you for the quick response! I really appreciate it :D
On one hand your right about how long rescue workers would take to respond but I worry about saying “save your buddy if you think you can”. The panicked actions of the person in need of help have often led to the rescuer also dying. These types of situations create a perfect storm of desperation for people to try and take on things that are way beyond what they can handle because the alternative is basically condemning a friend to death, no one assumes they’re going to be the statistic.
@@pappanalab I agree with you to a point. That risk to the rescuer is always there. No matter how trained you are. While I certainly wasn't trying to encourage people to take on a task beyond their skill level, I also won't discuorage those that believe they can do it from making an attempt.
Time is of the essence. Statistically, while it is not unlikely that the victim will panic and may fight the rescuer, it is a mathematical certainty that they'll die without the ability to breathe.
One of the questions you have to ask yourself before you're confronted with a situation like that is what exactly you personally are willing to live with.
In my case, I wouldn't be willing to live with the knowledge that I didn't try beyond calling 911. Granted, I have some degree of additional training that may help with that (though again, no cave diving experience).
I can tell you right now, I couldn't look at myself in the mirror again if that happened. Even if the only "active" thing I did was swim down to the entrance again to see if I could lay eyes on them.
Asking yourself if you could have done more is a horrible question to face. Borderline unlivable, if I'm being honest. Even when the answer is clearly no. I have had calls where I asked myself that, realized consciously that the answer was no, and I still struggle with wishing I could have done more. Could have been faster. Could have searched more thoroughly, or cut through metal faster.
At the end of the day, the only one who can determine the limits of your abilities is you. You are also the only one who can determine what you're willing to risk, or what you're willing to live with. So, I'll stick with "save your buddy if you think you can". With the full understanding that I don't judge those who do not believe they have the skills and instead choose to remain on shore and point us in the right direction when we do get there.
Sorry for the long reply- it's difficult to convey exactly what I'm trying to say through text.
I've never scuba dived in my life and never will but these videos feel like hanging out with a couple of friends so I love watching them😂
@@emilyc8958 I feel the same way! Never will do any type of diving but love watching these guys!
Same ❤ I have awful social anxiety and chronic fatigue and my social life is very limited but I feel relaxed and calm at the idea of hanging out with Woody and Gus!
You can try it just don’t go deep theses guy push the limits the 3 guy understood his limits
Totally! Though I think Gus would kind of scare me. Woody would have to calm me down! Lol!
Totally same for me .
The look of absolute fear in woody’s eyes when Gus said “it’s an hour” lmfaooo
His scared "Can you PLEASE not wait an hour for me" killed me. And potentially Woody.
I'm with Woody. And definitely don't just think you can stay down a 'bit longer' because you can. If you have arranged a time and possible extra time e.g. 30 minutes, to go beyond that, to me, is irresponsible because you are technically putting others at risk if they reenter and something happens to them because of it.
Also, it is crying wolf. You keep being late, so when something happens no one will realise it.
@@rachelwalker1135 it’s within my personal belief, that like their friend Mike said, if you say you’re gonna arrive at a certain time, if anything you should be early. It’s like the worst most uncomfortable suspense waiting for your friends to emerge 30 minutes after they said they would. If 30-45 minutes pass, I HAVE to assume there was a problem, and I would call, and then head into the water to try to help right after.
@@rachelwalker1135 I agree! In addition, being strict about planned times (because you know otherwise alarms will be raised) means that there is less temptation and room to divert from your planned dive which reduces the likelihood of ending up in a bad situation in the first place. You don't want to get into the habit of making rash decisions in places where you are potentially narced and not in full control of your faculties.
Comment from a RB Cave Diver (I suspect more watch you than you think) - its really going to depend on the cave profile you are diving. Assuming its a deco dive then the last hour or so is going to be within 12m of the surface (vertically) so this should be somewhere you can relatively easily get back to see if people are just late on their schedule or not. Clearly there are some systems where the shallow deco portions have to take place a long way horizontally in, which makes this more difficult.
Again the time to calling for help also depends on how long it will take for anybody to get to you. Ultimately its going to take a minimum of 30 mins or more - where I am its going to take an hour or more for our rescue teams to get to any of our flooded mines, so you are going to have to start looking yourselves as long as you are trained and safe to do so, but again it really depends on the site and system.
Bottom line, yes this should be part of your dive plan taking into account the dive profile, teams present, and how much gas you have.
If you do go back in looking, then you need to
1) Get out as soon as a rescue team arrives so you don't get in the way
2) Make sure you don't become the next casualty
3) Remember that most cave diving rescue is unfortunately recovery.
“they didnt want to close it because of the danger, its because you can get lost”
*thats exactly why its dangerous*
"They didn't close it because it was dangerous, they actually closed it because it was dangerous" like what?? 😂😂
@SK-XMBCBH lol. I was like, yeah. That's what makes it dangerous lol. But, they're cave divers, so they don't know what danger is lol.
I think what they mean (and actually said) is that cave diving IS inherently dangerous. In the case of Eagle's Nest, the ease of getting lost is the _particular_ danger (not just the regular inherent dangers, but say, strong currents, tight areas, etc.)
@@saga2964 No, these fuckheads in other videos say that it's not dangerous, people just die. They seriously say this.
You cant close it. How would you do it? Build a fence around it? People will climb over it.
Woody- “Your bio on the site is amazing how long did that take you?”
Gus- “Days…”
Gus’ bio on the website- “He’s a cave diver”
That's why its called di-ver cause your diving to your death
That's why it's called di-ver cause your diving to deaf
😂
As a first responder, you need to call as soon as possible. This is especially true if the rescue involves specialized training and equipment, since we will need additional time to locate the proper respurces and move them to the scene. In most areas, we are reliant on local experts who take time to contact and get on scene. You can always go back down and help AFTER you have alerted us. We would rather get there and have you say "hey, we fixed it ourselves, sorry to bother" than get out there and spend hours of work recovering bodies because someone was too proud or overconfident to call. As an EMS crew member, my favorite calls are the "hey, its not as bad as we thought", much better than the "oh shit this guy is gonna die because his 'friends' waited too long".
Seems to me that doing something this dangerous you should have emergency rescue staged and ready to go on site (whether fellow divers or specialized hired help,) or at least contact the specialized rescue before the dive and let them know that you'll be diving that day and there's a possibility they may be needed. Maybe this is too onerous for regular divers, but I don't think I'd ever do a dive like these if I didn't have that set up beforehand
Okay but do you have to pay some kind of fee for the false alert? I think thats what keeps most people from calling early.
I worked with Chris Rittenmeyer a few years before this happened. Cave diving was an absolute passion for him, and he did it pretty much every weekend. Based on our conversations, it seemed like he took safety extremely seriously and the video seems to confirm this. Some other accounts in the press seemed to indicate that he went above and beyond trying to save his buddy which led to his eventual demise. We'll never know for sure.
Glad to see that the hosts stayed balanced in their critique of the situation since this was certainly a very prepared and more experienced group by the vast majority of people diving in caves.
RIP ChrisR...
It just goes to show that no one is infallible. Please always be careful, Woody and Gus! The world is a better place with you in it!!! ❤
I'm not a diver, but wouldn't it make sense, especially for cave divers, to carry some sort of tracker with an automated trigger?
@@gmatev11 thank you for your input. Interesting to hear personal accounts.
@@tjroelsma If you have ever used a GPS unit in a dense forest, you may know it has a hard time connecting to satellites through that canopy, once rock and earth is involved such as in a cave, there would be no way for a GSP tracker to send and receive a signal. Im not aware of other tracking systems like radio that would have much luck through the ground either. would be nice though wouldn't it!
@@MrKeljin42 I haven't ever tried to use a GPS unit in a dense forest, so I wouldn't know. The thought just crossed my mind watching the video. It sure would be nice.
Couldn't they use a military style repeater system? I mean: put the main unit outside of the cave and then use repeaters inside?
And those repeaters could even be hardwired, so you'd have both a signal and a guideline back to the surface.
Seeing the real dangers that are present in cave diving or even cave exploring, it should be worth the money if someone got it to work.
I love how you note mistakes in _sincerely_ compassionate and understanding ways. You are never condescending or pious.
I am glad you DO point out the mistakes, the vulnerabilities, the panic-striken actions people take AND I am EQUALLY glad you point out what should have been done, as it may help someone identify tgeir OWN descent into panic and rethink their actions. It also DRIVES HOME the best way to proceed and further "normalizes" it for those watching to learn. It is no longer a "textbook fact" but a hard-hitting story that might stick in a moment where logic goes out the door and only things remembered with emotion comes to mind.
Gus with his Eagle eyes knew his equipment in a 10 Second quick look!! And even seen the tiny VERY tiny Dive Talk
There’s only one like it!
@@DIVETALK and it's the best
The first time I saw it I thought it was ANTI-Dive Talk bc of the slash thru it!
@@saga2964People have made Anti-Dive Talk stickers?
@@intothemystic5223 no no no! At least I hope not! No, Ihad first _thought_ it was bc of the slash thru the words.
Always remember that you reduce your chances of dying during a cave dive by not going cave diving.
@@jetsolar338 Always remember that you reduce you chances of dying during a drive home from work by not driving home from work
@@JNeutronFTW I work from home 😆
@@jetsolar338 me too, you can’t generalize concepts 😆😆
@ a concept is a general notion by definition? Why shouldn’t you generalize them?
More people have died in the sea than have died in space, that's how I know I'll be safe there.
I'm not a diver but I love your guys content. There's banter and personality while being incredibly informative.
Same here.
hoping magnus gets a hold of these guys pretty sure there's been mentions of him wanting to try out more cave and diving stuff
You’re absolutely right when you say that it’s impossible to know what any one of us would do in this situation.
I had an incident on a dive with my father several years ago. It was a relatively deep dive in poor visibility. At our deepest decomp point, my father’s regulator completely failed him. He panicked (of course) and his first response was to attempt to swim to the surface. When I pulled him back (he had thrown his reg out of his mouth), he saw mine and tore it out of my mouth in order to get air. I used my octopus instead, but had to take hold of the back of his BCD and physically tow him for the remaining dive time. Meanwhile, another diver took off his fins since he was panicking so much, not replying to signals, still attempting to swim up etc. He still cannot remember most of those things happening and he is still so ashamed for taking my supply off me in the way that he did (he didn’t even believe that it had happened at first).
None of us should judge how anyone reacts in a sudden and unexpected survival situation like that. It’s like fight, flight and freeze. None of us can control that reaction and yet our bodies and minds will respond with one of them whether we like it or not!
And your dad was experienced so it happens to them, too.
@@alirpa1 absolutely. When this occurred, my father had been diving for 15 years and had many certifications (including rescue diving) and a high number of dive hours. He also had never had a panic attack before. Thankfully, we had completed those certifications together and we were always dive partners. I was able to recognise that something was seriously wrong and also gauge the best response for him specifically.
@@alirpa1 The benefit of being dive partners for so long was incredibly evident on that specific dive. The large amount of time we had spent both in training together as well as during recreational dives meant that I was thankfully able to assess the situation reasonably quickly and predict his response. Also, while my father had never had a panic attack before, I was able to tell that he was having one at that point. I had been working as an assistant diving instructor for newbies during this time and had seen multiple people have panic attacks while diving.
Most of our time during decompression on that dive was spent face to face, maintaining eye contact while I demonstrated and instructed him in taking deep, paced breaths.
When we got to the surface, I manually inflated his bcd and attempted to tow him to the boat (holding the handle at the back of his bcd). Unfortunately, he broke free of me and swam directly into the prop of the boat we were diving from 😬. He split his lip in the process, but I’m just glad that it was turned off at the time 😅.
@@_Kyprioth_ You guys have an amazing relationship. I bet, even if it brings him shame as it would, there is a part of him that is more proud of you than he could ever verbalize appropriately even if he's said it a million times.
@@thegraymouser12 Thank you so much! My father is now actually a grandfather in his 70’s and this event occurred well over a decade ago. While my father is still definitely ashamed of his actions (he often says that any father would sacrifice their oxygen for their child given the choice, but in that moment he didn’t actually choose anything), no one ever blamed him for it.
In a way you are absolutely correct. My father has had time to reflect on what happened and has gained an air of pride whenever he talks about what I did at what he believes is quite a young age 😅.
Despite the fact that he is aging, we do still have the occasional recreational dive together (albeit in shallow, calmer waters than previously 😅)
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There's a similar kind of thing that happens with commercial pilots, "get-there-itis", where they're tempted to ignore issues like poor weather or technical stuff, because they're do close to the end they just want to land, but they end up getting into trouble. Its a really hard thing to be mindful, especially when it seems like its only a little bit further
This is a good point. We do tend to want to get to the end quickly. There are some of us who tend to be reckless with our choices, in order to speed up the outcome. No worry of potential outcome. "It couldn't happen to me," comes to mind.
@@SacredWaves "Tend to be"? That's reinforcing my dislike of flying, lol. Haven't been on a plane since 2017.
@Vingul
Lol.. I hear ya. I used to love flying. I haven't flown since 2009. If I can't take a car, I don't go. Too many risks now... dei amd terrorist attacks come to mind. 🤔
@@SacredWaves Yeah, the DEI stuff makes it even worse. But to be clear, I read your comment as if it was written by a commercial pilot -- in which context "there are some of us who tend to be reckless" would be particularly disconcerting, lol. Anyway, I used to enjoy flying as well (been to America five times, for instance -- I'm Norwegian), until one day I suddenly realised I didn't just as the airplane was speeding up to get airborne.
@Vingul
Oh no! That's a bad time to discover you actually don't want to fly anymore! 🥴
As for your visits to America, I hope you enjoyed it, and we didn't disappoint. I will 1 day get to Norway. It is on my list before death. Woth probably 2 or 3 other countries. I just dont have funds, especially right now. The economy is horrible. Not to mention.. I am afraid my government will finish going full tyrannical while I'm gone. I'll come home to some new insanity they want to promote. 🤦🏽♀️
I remember starting watching you guys back when yall had less than 20 or 30k subs. I’m so glad to see how much the channel has grown.
Gus's bio is awesome. Super informative and weaves a tapestry of beautiful diving history.
Glad you enjoyed it!
😂😂😂
Meanwhile, Woody's is a small novel?
Gus: short 'n sweet.
Woody: long 'n lively!
Hear that, Gus, your bio weaves a tapestry :D
Dive Talk fans clicking off? Do they? Would they? This was a sad but engrossing video. Sidetracking to your stories/experiences and what you might do in such & such a situation, is all part of what keeps us hooked. (non-diver here).
Hell, watching videos of these tragedies, while some are bone-chilling, It kinda awaken my spirit of adventure a bit. It is scary, but also beautiful.
@@HavenarcBlogspotJcK Many on this channel have been inspired to take up scuba/cave diving/get certified etc but that won't be me. I'm a Terra Firma gal; love hiking in stunning locations but this underwater world IS fascinating & beautiful. Sticking strictly to all the regs a la Gus 'n' Woody, you can't go far wrong though.
Y'all chatting about your experiences and sharing your thoughts are the best parts of the videos. The times you say people have clicked off now always surprises me because it's when I'm the most engrossed. 💜
New to this channel, and if you mean some folks are annoyed with their frequent interruptions, l agree. It's a feeling of tension, not knowing if your focus is going to be jarred yet again by another extraneous comment. Couldn't finish, disappointingly.
The problem with defining a “stretch” time before you’re late is that, as soon as you do that, you might as well have just planned for that later time. Because when the first time comes, you’ll KNOW you don’t actually have to turn around yet. So of course you won’t, it’s human nature. If you say plan a return by 3, but 3:30 if we find a tunnel, now everyone is thinking that 3:45 is only 15 minutes late, not nearly an hour…
Still, it does make sense to have a plan of “if I’m x minutes late, come look for me” and “if you can’t find me by this time/location, call 911”
You don't necessarily want to dive for the longest time possible. Maybe it's cold and you think an hour is long enough to see everything you want to see and you don't want to endure the cold longer than that, but if you find something particularly interesting it might be worth being cold for an extra 30 minutes. Having flexibility in your plan can be good as long as that flexibility is fully planned out. You can easily plan for a maximum dive time of 1.5 hours but an expectation that you'll probably leave after an hour.
Not necessarily, if i say that the time of regrouping is 3pm, then i am gonna act accordingly, aka turning around at a certain time etc.
The “buffer time” is there cause sometimes, even if you do try to be back exactly at 3, you can run a bit late for a variety of reasons, the other person shouldn’t instantly go in a panic and you shouldn’t be stressing like crazy cause the police is being called, you have a bit of a leeway
yeah but if someone is 30 seconds late when they should have hours of air left does that really warrant calling emergency services?
@@tomatodamashi If they’re only 30 seconds late you’ll see them coming long before you reach your phone. They’re not invisible until they reach the meeting point.
I’m not a cave diver , or a diver at all, but love watching your videos. Your both great at talking about all of the cave diving situations. Never knew any of this stuff about cave diving. Pretty cool.❤
@@JamieHenrickson-g7x do you want to go diving one day? Or are you happy watching the videos?
Just curious;)
@@user-qh9ej2qi9g Just happy watching the videos. You all just enlighten so many about cave diving and just riding in general, stuff I never knew about .
I meant diving in general sorry about that. Lol but yeah , just love the videos.❤️❤️❤️
@@JamieHenrickson-g7x I'm very much in the same boat - I'm fascinated by caving, diving, and cave diving, but have no particular desire to do it myself. As someone who is asthmatic, and recovering from a spinal injury, I simply don't want to take those risks, or put friends at risk because I decided to try anyway. There's just risk factors to such activities due to my own health limitations. Much more enjoyable, and safe, to enjoy such experiences vicariously by listening to knowledgeable people on the subject.
I was all set to call that guy a negligent idiot for waiting for hours before calling for help, but y’all set me straight!
Thanks for the info!
Uhm no. That was horrendously stupid and they basically agreed, saying 1 hour max
I'm neither a diver or mountaineer, but there's a well known phenomenon on Everest, called summit fever. It's where the hard turnaround time has been reached but the climber continues to ascend anyway. Many deaths have been attributed to it, including those of experienced climbers. I wonder if something similar can come in to play in cave diving where so much work has gone in to getting where they are that the diver stays down longer than agreed and complications ensue? On the question of an agreed return time, I feel like that should be non-negotiable or it places a very unfair burden on the safety diver of when to call for assistance.
For sure, but it's important to note the difference between mountaineering and diving. If you have a "turn around time" in diving, in reality it's the "GTFO or you're going to drown" with maybe a bit of wiggle room planned in advance, though usually that's more equipment and exertion based as opposed to relying on a static predetermined time. In mountaineering, turn around times are usually based on year over year environmental factors. They in themselves are just best estimates of when the dangers associated with summiting place you at a higher risk compared to more ideal time frames throughout the day. They're in no way death sentences, they're just precautionary. Now, if you're someone who's summiting Everest without O2 assistance, then you'll probably have a much stiffer turn around time compared to someone with O2, just to avoid becoming hypoxic. But for someone with O2, they have a much more flexible turn around time, weather permitting. For example, a lot of the climbers in the 96' disaster were well past their turn around time before summiting, but the weather seemed good so they summited. Unluckily for them, a storm front which was initially expected to just miss the area shifted unexpectedly, and they were all caught in a blizzard on their descent. Had that not had happened, they all would have likely been completely fine.
Concur your comment. As Woody says you could be tempted to continue just a little, having got that far but if it's turn back time, it's turn back time for all the reasons, even with a rebreather. (non-diver here)
@@Ჽum Thanks for the thoughtful reply - all sound points. I was really posing the question about the thought processes driving the increase in risk taking behaviour and the breaking of pre-agreed "rules" by even highly experienced explorers.
@@Robutube1 You're right in your original comment that it's pretty much the same thought process. Though I would say just from my own observations and training that divers on average are far more risk adverse than climbers, especially alpinists. Most divers, especially when it comes to cave divers, have to receive far more training in order to become certified (whereas you really don't need any formal training to get into climbing, and even when there are barriers in place they're almost always just fees), so in that way there's an added layer of security in that divers will almost always be trained to handle SHTF situations and do everything in their power to avoid them in the first place.
As you also mentioned, the amount of time put into the journey is definitely a massive factor. To once again use Everest as an example, you're almost always going to be climbing it as part of a guided team nowadays, and it costs tens of thousands of dollars on the low end. You then have to fly there, take the two week hike to base camp, then spend weeks doing acclimatization climbs so that your body can adjust to the altitude. Only then will you actually attempt to climb the mountain.
It's a massive investment, so naturally you're more likely to see risks as something being worth taking. As you climb and become more fatigued, it's much harder for anyone to draw the line between reasonable and unreasonable risks. That's where the real trouble starts. I'm not saying this same exact thing doesn't happen in diving to some extent, but it's far more prevalent in climbing
For climbing, I would say that more emphasis is placed on the destination and getting there. Whereas diving is just as much about getting out of there as it is getting to a destination or reaching a specific milestone. You're constantly reminded of your mortality, because you're regularly having to monitor your gauges and keeping track of the duration and depth of the dive so you can calculate decompression. In climbing, it's all about ascending, descending is just an afterthought, which again, is where the problems can really begin. Climbers are known for expending too much of their energy on their ascent, only to die on their descent because they were fatigued and not paying enough attention to what they were doing.
@@Ჽum Excellent - you've really captured the difference in mindset between climbers and cave divers there I think. I'm a vicarious observer of both and have to say that my non-scientific conclusion is that climbers tend to have more hubris and your point about divers regularly being reminded of their mortality by their dials is very well made. I very much appreciate you taking the time to have these exchanges!
I watch you guys but I’m not a scuba diver and I’m deathly afraid of drowning. However, your shows are so informative I’m not as afraid anymore and went swimming in the ocean after many years of phobia. I truly appreciate you both. Stay safe to all who do this and thank you for sharing videos and real life stories for us all to experience ❤
Plan and dive the plan is so important here in case of rescue / emergency @17:33
Was taught when you go diving/hiking or any activity where things could go south, leave information behind about expected return time frame, path, and how long to wait before sounding an alarm. This makes a lot of sense to me.
Same concept with military operations and the importance of phase lines. You should always plan in advance exactly how long you expect each stint of your journey to take, have pre-planned contingencies should an incident or accident occur (with an understanding of the additional challenges posed should one happen at any point therein on the journey), and pre-planned channels of communication with scheduled check-ins.
@@Ჽum Yep, and almost all of my outdoorsman skills were taught to me in a military context, so I take that stuff very seriously. I'm just working on getting my health back into shape to start going on hikes again after injuring my back very severely, and in that health build-up time, and gear acquisition time, I've been thinking more and more about my procedures for who to inform, what my "please contact emergency services if I haven't gotten in contact with you" deadline should be, and I'm beginning to track my average speed to start work on calculating basic estimates of expected time for each phase of a hike so that I can plan my hikes accordingly.
Yeah I don't cave dive; never would, but it does seem particularly odd that they're so loose with their standards on when to call 911. "30 minutes late? Eh they're probably just enjoying their time down there". That would be ringing alarm bells for me. Dive partners need to rely on each other to be punctual and stick to the plan. I would be so mad if I was in trouble and my partner was just sitting around waiting.
This was a great video. I’m still not a diver but I’m a subscriber for almost 4 years at this point. It’s time for a new dive talk shirt. Love you both!
Thank you so much Emily!
Still watching DT since it's beginning ❤ love you guys.
Hi Woody and Gus! I'm not a diver but find these stories interesting, and I especially love hearing your own experiences and knowledge. The rambling parts of these reaction videos are my favorite because you both add so much context and understanding for a layperson like myself. Plus it sounds like a podcast, and I enjoy listening to 2 friends talk like this. You're both very personable and seem like great people. Love your channel!
I look forward to Dive Talk videos more than almost any other channel. Thanks for the awesome content!
I like the pauses to talk about the video. I knew nothing about diving before watching this channel. The pauses to explain what's happening and what went wrong is the most interesting part. Plus you guys are essentially a reaction channel. Reacting is the whole point. It would be boring if we watched the entire video in silence then you guys said a few words at the end. Keep doing what you guys are doing. I along with many other people really enjoy what you do. Much love from upstate NY.
My favorite people for getting proper information regarding anything diving 💪👍
Love to see the breakdown from actually experienced divers!
Hi guys. I'm not a diver but I'm a paramedic. Talking about when to call in right? How long do you wait etc. I think you should call in as soon as possible. Don't wait until the last minute. Just inform what is going on, that they are not back as planned. This gives time to prepare. Maybe call in the right person for the job if needed etc. Especially if like in this case, where they are far away from responders. Just inform 911, make a plan with them and call back later with an update. In between the calls 911 can start working and preparing the right people if necessary. Like.. we might have a situation at this location and we might need you. What do you think? Calling in doesn't mean someone will respond. But I can guarantee in a situation like this a heads up call would be very appreciated. If anyone thinks something else, please comment 👌🏻😊
Not even a diver and this is still my favorite channel to watch! You guys are awesome🤙
As a non-diver (but hopefully one day soon), let me say that I very much appreciate two things about your channel, a bit more than any other so far… 1. You don’t assume your audience knows everything about diving. 2. You don’t assume that someone not knowing about diving means that they are just ignorant in general. .
I have no idea how or why I found your channel a couple months ago, but it’s become one of my favorites. Much love, guys.
Narrator: *talking about the gruesome deaths of 2 divers*
Gus: AYE YO THATS MY SIDEWINDER!
Love you guys lmao
Be Careful with these stories because they could be generated by AI. If the voice says, "he was an Olympic diver"... AI probably doesn't realize that Scuba diving isn't an Olympic sport... it could be false all together. I get fooled sometimes too. There are entire channels out there run by AI just for income. I was watching one by accident, and I didn't realize it was an AI channel until the guy said that Dean Martin died of AIDS.... also you'll hear them pronounce things in a way that humans never do.
it does seem like, if this was written by AI, it was checked by a human, bc I wouldn’t expect AI to get some of these diving specifics correct like describing trimix.
Yeah it be entirely automated by AI now - they make up the stories, read them, make the thumbnails, etc. If a random small channel sounds like they've got a professional narrator it's probably made up.
I didn't check every detail, but it mostly seemed like a reworded version of the write-up on the NSSCDS website, they directly quote it at points, but it all just seems to be from there. The gold medal diver thing was an addition made in the video for whatever reason, could be ai. Even before ai, mistakes would show up in videos like it, because they are just trying to push it out.
The main reason I started tuning into these guys was because their offices looked super comfy and I actually enjoy listening to their occasional ramblings while I multitask things on my PC. I don't know why, it just gives me comfy background noise I can pick up at any point in their videos lol.
My behind would fall asleep during decompress. I would be like so tired so exhausted. I would fall asleep shoot. I fall asleep the minute I sit still in my couch. You think I'm going to go down there and do a decompress? This is why I enjoy you guys doing the diving for me and I can just watch the shows. Thank you very much❤❤
That’s why most recreational divers dive within ‘no decompression time’ limits. Because it’s about how little time can you spend at depth, and then spend the most time at a shallower depth. Then you do a safety spot (which ends up rearranging pockets) 3 minutes.
i’m a certified OW diver and i swear these videos both take off and add years onto my life
that is one thing I have always wondered, when divers/cavers are doing something extreme and they call for help it must be a huge task for the local rescue teams or law enforcement
It's mostly recovery there is no getting out alive. Running out of air is a death sentence.
@@brandonshannon8631alone yeah unfortunately, unless you somehow get very, very lucky.
If you are lost and with supplies it usually a search. When you are stuck or without any supplies, the results can be very grim and a lot of the time, the bodies will be left there
Watch Dive Talk's videos about Ed Sorensen. He was often the expert called in to do recovery after similar situations (and in at least one case, an unexpected cave rescue). Of course, he is a private citizen, he's not gonna show up with 911.
But yeah, if you can't get help from your local dive buddies, Ed is both your best chance and last resort.
@@Nikolai2s Ed will absolutely show up for 911. When you call 911 search and rescue is going to call the cave dive recovery and rescue organization where they have a list of skilled divers that have volunteered to do rescues and recoveries, Ed is not only on this list but he is in the leadership of the organization, if he happens to be near by they will absolutely call him and he will show up, it's happened multiple times before.
Gus and woody I just wanted to tell you thankyou so much for making videos and being yourselves. I have been watching for years now and you guys have help me with depression. Im not sure how but your guys attitudes and friendship is something too admire. thankyou so much Daq c. Much love from Arizona!
I’ve been diving for 50 yrs. NOT a cave diver. I love your channel and your comments and experience
Cave diving is clearly amazing but you need serious training, lots of experience and a wonderful dive buddy and plan. Yikes. It’s a serious endeavor!!
I’ve had amazing OW dives myself from Cocos, Deep South Red Sea, Komodo, Marshall Islands etc. it’s been an amazing privilege.
Anyhoo… I really enjoy your channel.
Thank you and I wish you great dives and safe returns back to the surface.
You plan the dive and dive the plan. If the plan is to rendez-vous at 3 pm, you can have some contingency, but that's like 10, max 15min and then it's 911 time. It's not ok to be blase about it, or have others worry and you brush it off. It can work out perfect 1000 times, it only has to go wrong 1 time. People died there, so you better take it serious. Just my 2 cents :)
Although in this case, it's quite possible that the authorities wouldn't have made it in time, even if they had been called at 3.
@@annep.1905 yes, but I'd rather live knowing I did my best to save them than have the regret of knowing they were alive at some point and I hadn't even called for help yet.
@@dandotvid 👍
I never click out of your streams, I love listening to you guys talk. I have to add I am not a diver nor do I want to be I just love your content
Truly I watch the videos from start to finish even as an individual who has never been diving, you guys make me feel that there is a safe way to start this dangerous hobby
I genuinely don't understand why people would roast you guys on the things you say. I think you both make excellent points that are absolutely valid that are based in sound judgement and experience. .
I enjoyed the show. Great job Fellas.
Because some people just have to be THAT guy.
@@saga2964 yep, I think you nailed it
I’m calling authorities if you’re five minute late. Stick to the plan. That’s why we made it. I’d rather feel like I needlessly called the authorities than live with the feeling of guilt of just sitting around while my friend drowned below me for the last 30-60 minutes.
5 minutes?!? No way.
@@DIVETALK ha. Keep in mind that this is coming from somebody who has absolutely zero experience in this field and has an immense fear of deep dark waters. Perhaps I shall leave it to the experts.
@@DIVETALK .. what if when making 'the plan' you gave us not just a 'meeting time' but also a 'if by the time of X we're still not back' ....
If you haven't done the latter, giving a contingency.. at which time I will ask why you're giving me two different dive durations.. what's the purpose of them then?
If you're 'we'll give a time, but you can add or substract a couple of hours because we're on rebreathers so ...' what value does that time still have?
Even more so, if you give me a time and you exceed it, even if you're on rebreather when you left shouldn't the safety diver always assume worst possible scenario? You needing to bail out, now on open circuit AND late?
Or even still on rebreather, but there been a ( partial ) collapse somewhere and you're trying to dig yourself out.
Wouldn't it be beneficial if your safety diver has alerted the proper people, adding to the likelyhood you'll not just have to dig yourself out but have some help from the other side?
As a non diver I just feel I wouldn't be ok with a ' ow around that time you might start to become worried, but not to much because we just gave you a conservative time' .. I would press for a hard definitive time at which I need to 'get worried'. And I will stick to that time, and the moment you're even one minute past that max duration timestamp, I'm calling in everything and everyone.
@@DIVETALKI’m no diver, never will be. Claustrophobic. But I could never dive with Gus. If you say to regroup at 3pm, don’t come back at 3:45 and act like everything’s fine. It’s selfish.
I watched a talk ed did on complacency, and I think that kind of thinking leads to complacency - just cause it was fine this time doesn’t mean it will always be fine. People need to know your word is your word. Cause then they know you’re late something’s wrong, begin rescue measures.
Plan the dive, dive the plan. If I did scuba, especially if I did cave diving that’s the only mantra I’m going with, for me and my buddy. Let an act of nature take me out, not reckless stupidity.
I'm not a diver but your videos feel like listening to some super clever friends around a campfire who exchange stories and who know EVERYTHING there is to know about diving lol. Super interesting!
I have some minimal scuba experience, but zero cave diving at all (I am severely claustrophobic and tbh just normal scuba diving is difficult for me due to that, but I have all the respect for you guys who do this and love it and are so experienced and knowledgeable!)
That being said, I feel like it’s a pretty basic/easy precaution to take to just say beforehand to whomever you’re diving with or anyone who is looking out up top, “hey, if I am not back in XX amount of time, call 911”.
I know timing can be so variable for any reason, but if you know and agree to a set time beforehand that is the absolute max/latest time to be back to surface or whatever checkpoint you agree on, it’s fine to call 911 if that time has passed.
Better to call and give a better chance of survival even if it seems overkill at the time than to wait and lose time that can literally make the difference between life and death.
I’d rather the cops and whomever be upset with me or even catch a charge for misuse of services (extreme and unlikely) than know I let someone die bc I was afraid of annoying first responders .. 🤷🏻♀️ it’s literally their job and a life/lives are at stake!!
I've been the first responder on a lot of those type of calls. Different environment, it was mountain trails, but usually someone is delayed coming back beyond their planned schedule. Sometimes people would call when a day hiker was a couple hours late, or a multi-day camper/hiker was a day late. We'd rather get the call early and come out to find it was no big deal or a minor injury that slowed someone down rather than get the call too late. Sometimes, by the time we got the call, we knew it was over, no chance the hiker was still ok if they're 3 days late on what was supposed to be a week-long trip in severe weather. Some of those we never found because snow in the mountains covers everything.
Just call. Maybe it turns out to be a nothing, but don't take the risk of delaying help in case it isn't.
I absolutely love your conversations in the middle of the reactions. Thats where I learn (and laugh) the most. Never change, fellas. 💙
The other issue with calling 911 is how long would it take for rescue to get there... and how qualified are the members of the rescue team??? Just a thought... and yes it would be nice if Ed was on call and could drop from a helicopter with all his gear on with 80's rock blasting and fireworks...
Right. Like he said, they are the 911 in most situations.
If you have to call 911 it’s just to attempt to recover the body at that point.
The rescue teams' qualification is not your problem. You call, fill them in, and then hope for the best.
@@informitas0117 Personally I would still feel like it is my problem though, if I was diving there and my friends didn't come back out, I'd feel like I'm possibly sending in more people to die. Yeah it is what it is and it's a pointless thing to shoulder blame on, but I can understand the feeling at least.
That's probably why it's best to call them earlier so they can get their. I mean, what's the harm?
Thank you for the laymens terms! I'm new to the channel and always found diving very interesting and I'm learning so much from you guys!
"Ya see? It's fine. An extra 30 minutes doesn't kill you."
The word he's looking for is complacency.
Complacency kills.
It's so nice to watch your in-depth, thorough, and well-intentioned discussions after a long day at work listening to people who have no idea what they are talking about (and talking about it with absolute certainty).
"The reason why they've tried to close it is not because it's dangerous but because people have died there."
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Was literally about to type this exact comment with the dots included. What exactly is it then??? Such a weird statement.
What he ment to say but didn't is that the cave isnt that technically dangerous compared to others but because of its accessibility to naive people who get them selves killed it gets decided to be closed
People trip, fall and die on sidewalks but that doesn't make sidewalks inherently deadly and worthy of being removed everywhere they exist. This is all he's saying. He actually explains his viewpoint in the video, so we don't even need to guess about what he means. I guess you all have difficulty with nuanced thinking.
@@Letsberealish to me i think these places get locked not to keep divers lifes for their's sake but it is more to keep away the inconvenience the owners go through when in accidents dealing with the long tedious
rescue efforts and police investigation that disturbe the overall scene in these places
Assuming you are genuinely rolling your eyes at apparent "contradiction" here and not just having a little laugh about how it could be misinterpreted, I would note that if people properly engaged their brains and actually tried to figure out what people meant - if they tried resolve seeming contradictions on the basis that others likely have a point, rather than just concluding they are idiots - they would perhaps understand what was meant in cases like this because he actually had a good point and it wasn't that complicated.
To spell it out, he never suggested the cave wasn't dangerous, which would be contradictory, rather he said they didn't close this cave BECAUSE it was dangerous, which is not contradictory at all. What he's driving at is that there are many caves just as dangerous that remain open because they are yet to encounter a tragedy. He's not saying this cave isn't dangerous, he's saying all caves can be dangerous including this one, this one has just been singled out because of a tragedy that could have happened anywhere.
25:40 That's amazing that Gus was able to discern that was his personal rebreather in ~2 seconds flat in a random youtube video. To all you people who think they are missing stuff because they are talking, take note. I'm thoroughly impressed by that, and you can see the look of respect from Woody to Gus. Great job!
Thanks!
@@JamieHenrickson-g7x thank you so much for the Super!
@@DIVETALK of course, I actually upgraded , my subscription.🙂 Because why not! I’m addicted to watching Dive Talk!
When do you typically go live? Is it daily or every other week? On certain days and times?
Awesome video! For the record, the banter and hypotheticals and personal experiences are actually as good as your reactions! I love listening to two people nerding out about something they're passionate about-- it's why I subscribed to you two.
I'm calling at 1500. That's the agreed upon time, but I'm a stickler for timings and plans.
If you’re picking up a romantic interest to go on a date and the agreed upon time is 20:00, but they don’t come out until 20:15… are you still there or have you left?
@@TitaniumTurbineI'm texting to just make sure they are OK or if they are just running late
I think there needs to be a redline time, like we plan on this time but if they are not there by this time, then call. It takes time for people to be called, get ready, and get down there.
@@TitaniumTurbine When I've had zoom meetings, if the other person doesn't log-on, I double-check to make sure I have the right location and place etc., then I wait 30 minutes before logging off.
@@TitaniumTurbineThat is such a goofy false equivalency. Your date who is 15 mins late is probably not dying. Cave diving is just ever so slightly riskier.
as someone who isn’t a diver, I really enjoy the discussion aspect of this video. i’ve seen many diver accident videos and there are many points at which a non-diver like myself will think something is obvious which y’all’s expertise actually provides further perspective on. great vid!
I think caves can be seductive. There's a hole in the ground, what could be down there? I think that gets dangerous, if like me people want to discover what's down this virgin cave, passage etc. Which is also why training and planning is so vital. Getting into a cave is often easy, but getting back out alive can be a whole lot harder. I think there is also a danger with places being ever more accessable, and the advent of social media where people might trade risks for views.
I think there's a perception that cavers and divers are risk takers, but the ones that are still breathing are more risk managers. I think this is also where planning is again critical. A deadline is a deadline, and I was always taught that if we weren't back by the agreed time, it would trigger an emergency call. That could get very expensive, or just be embarrassing. In the UK, cave & mountain rescue is usually done by volunteers, and the caving community used to be fairly small and close knit. So having been rescued for something stupid may have resulted in a lot of beers owed.
This is the first cave-diver video I really enjoyed. The stories you sharead are fascinating! I can listen to you guys forever, even though I had never go diving
I have never been so early before but I’m so thrilled💜💜💜 I love all of DTs content, and I always will ☺️
Hey guys, thanks for this video, it was really nice to see you guys have that really honest talk about things. Gus, I get where you’re coming from but I’m with Woody, make a plan and stick to it. Regardless of the diving style. If you are late out a couple of times, people waiting for you won’t be surprised when you’re late again. That time might be the last.
I really appreciate your channel, you guys have made me a better diver. Please stick to diving safely and call for help early, gives the best chances
It’s not diving specific but when I was in the Infantry and when we were doing patrols we would use GOTWA when we would separate from the main element. GOTWA stands for 5-Point Contingency Plan, which is a brief that soldiers in the US Army use when a leader or other individuals separate from the group. The brief outlines five details:
G: Where the leader is going
O: Who is going with the leader
T: How long the leader will be gone
W: What the team should do if the leader doesn't return on time
A: Final actions to take if the leader doesn't return
It lays out specific actions to take if something were to happen that wasn’t planned.
I love the long talks you guys have! Never stop! Whoever skips is missing out lol 😂
This is the reason we should always do our best to follow after the dive plan we as divers has planed because if we dont some people will wait for 3 hours to call for help.
Loved this video and the fact that you were so open to admit that you were not in that exact situation and would not know how you would have reacted yourself.
If we speculated that one of them potentially died from a heart attack, wouldn’t the medical examination shows signs of stress on the heart? I don’t know if seizures leave visible signs afterwards so that (and subsequently drowning) and another panicking could be an explanation. We’ll probably never know. The evidence doesn’t say much, which in itself says it was probably something that couldn’t have been avoided through more preparation.
A death from hypoxia can look similar to a heart attack in an autopsy. It's not like on TV where the coroner can always determine a clear and definitive cause of death.
Good question, I'm inclined to believe they would discover a heart attack had it occurred. But it would explain why his gear was abandoned
I’m sure I’ve seen this comment before, but cave diving has always been a huge fear of mine. Yup, one of those “You must be crazy!” As I hope on my motorcycle and ride away. lol but I feel like I have learned so much in finding your channel and it has inspired me to research more. I’m still gonna be staying on dry land but I have a newfound respect for divers who take the proper precautions, the training, get the experience, and know their limitations. It’s come a long way over the years from what I can see and I absolutely can appreciate the beauty in doing it as recreation. And absolute awe and respect to those who do rescue and retrieval. Thank you guys and thank you to the positivity in the community! It’s fascinating.
They say you haven’t really lived until you’ve seen a dead end in a really deep underwater cave.
Underrated comment!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂
I actually enjoyed the talk and the morals of waiting before calling an emergency.
I have never dived but I do a lot of outdoors exploring and I have had this conversation with a couple of friends and interesting to hear everyone’s threshold.
Solid video
Make a plan, and stick to it. Safety is always #1. As the old addage goes, better safe than sorry👍
Really loving these 20-30 minute videos. I get depressed when I see a new video and it's only 10 minutes or less. Love listening to you guys!
Plan the dive and dive the plan. I don’t care if the sorb can last longer than that.
But you should care, because if we run into issues the dive will take longer. It doesn’t mean you should call 911.
I’ll give you an example, diving on rebreathers means you will be doing Deco on rebreathers, but if you bail out, you will be doing deco on open circuit, which will extend your deco time. In other words, maybe you would have 10 minutes of deco if everything goes well but 25 if things fail at the worst possible time. Just because you have 15 minutes extra of deco doesn’t require you call 911 and assume the worst.
@@DIVETALK My comment was solely related to the context you guys were talking about as it related to having a plan and sticking to it regardless of the ability to extend time. You even made the same comment in one of your Mexico trips to the cenotes when your guide gave you the “time to return” signal even though you were in the middle of laying line and exploring. Sticking to a plan is important and should always be followed. Appreciate all of your content, Gus and Woody!
@davidbonnichsen2901 Things don't always go to plan, as in this case.
@@DIVETALK But isn’t it better to call and then not need the help than need the help and not call?
I'm at 20 mins, I don't dive, I'm here and I'm hooked 😂 I love these conversations
So, there's no way of knowing if their gear was somehow taken off them or if they discarded the gear themselves due to some kind of sudden madness situation where they were not in full control of their faculties for some reason? It's just so eerie how divers of their caliber would be found separated from their fully operable, top of the line gear. So terrifying and heart breaking, God bless their memory.
I‘m living in Switzerland. Sometimes accidents happen too, even when here aren’t the biggest mountains in the world. Some climbers are stripping their clothes off, if they‘re trapped on the mountain. Often it’s a combination of dehydration, snow blindness and freezing that causes this reaction.
@@JasminMernica Yes, that's a reaction to hypothermia, but it doesn't quite fit in it situation where you're in a wet suit, etc. It makes you wonder if there was a fight or something.
Interesting, I was wondering the same thing
First time seeing one of your guys' videos pop up on my feed in awhile. I see Woody is still just as fly as ever and Gus is still looking like a lean mean fighting machine. Keep killing it Kings!!!
the thing about mt everest and eagles nest is if you really want to go there you need to rally be dedicated. if youre that dedicated nothing will stop you from trouble. keep it open, add a legal disclosure "we arent responsible for your stupidity" and allow experienced professionals get passes or permits
The guy on the left has the exact same candence and voice as the comedian Harland Williams. I keep expecting him to say something wild 😂
I love how you joked about Gus being in the video (when the name Gonzales shows up at 23:31) but then he was actually in the video at a different time.
Aww man :( idk why i watch these videos. They’re so brutal and sad, but I’m so fascinated by people who do these things and the commentary. I feel especially bad for the guy who made it through the pass and turned back for his friend. RIP to them both
Thanks for another great episode.
Non diver here. Would be great if you guys talked about dive computers - And if there is something special with them when cave diving.
It's been so long since I've swung through. I missed you guys. Always great content. One Love.
It's hard to watch this video.. seeing people dive in underwater caves unlocks a real phobia in me lol
This is my first video back in awhile and I just want to say what an inspiration you are Gus. Keep up the good work 🎉
Just found your channel. I know nothing about diving but find you videos very interesting. Having 2 experts talk about accidents is way more engaging and enlightening than some random "horror" youtuber reading off of Wikipedia.
I’ve watched you guys for a while. Long enough to know that while I am not cut out to be a cave diver, if I woke up in an alternate universe where I needed to be, I should have four lights and two knives and any number of redundancies and plans in place. I can imagine the allure of staying down beyond the initial limits of your dive plan, particularly when your rebreathers give you that luxury, but I think Woody is right and calling for help at an hour past time should be in your plan. I mean what’s the worst that happens? Cave rescue shows up and you come out of the cave; late, and sheepish? You apologize to first responders?
Tell you what, I was a first responder (EMS) for a number of years. I’d rather someone show up alive with an “I lost track of time, I’m so sorry you all came out” than be called too late and end up with a body bag.
I’m glad you guys talked about this. It should be part of the dive plan, and it should be something everyone agrees to stick to. You can always go back down another day, another week, another visit. But you can’t do that if you’re dead.
Love the content and the discussion. Sorry I’m so late to the video.
My dad was a great diver and infected me with the intrest in diving as well. I don't dive much anymore but I found that these videos bring me closer to him. It was very interesting to watch and trying to understand what it was about caves he found so fascinating (I'm only aowd).
“The reason why they are trying to shut down the cave is NOT because it’s dangerous, it’s because people have died there.”
Hallelujah! Death is no longer dangerous!
Death's never been dangerous.
According to your logic driving a car is dangerous even if you're a professional
Wow, never knew there is so much to cave diving! So dangerous. Thank you, guys.
I would definitely not go in to try to rescue anyone without making sure someone else knows and 911 is the most obvious for that. Even if I was the most experienced person to mount the rescue myself I wouldn't. It is just common sense to have someone there who knows the rescue attempt is taking place, both in case the rescuers need rescue and because there might be things to do to prepare for the rescued.
I'm not diver, but after seeing your previous videos, I was amazed how slightly you guys took the time limit. Even laughing about it. No wonder other divers were furious.
don't have really the ability to go diving here in NM but there are a few water caves that would be really interesting to explore. Most here are definitely not allowed without supervision or licenses to even attempt to dive. The Blue Hole in outside Santa Rosa comes to mind.
I really like that you 2 got diffrent opinions on some stuff, thats really awsome
As a responder 1/3 of the time of the recommended for the time of the equipment allotment.
I agree with Woody, be there on time if you can't have a direct connection with others.
Just recently found this channel and it’s one of my favorites now love the commentary!
Why dont divers have a distress button they can press to at least let their buddy at the top know that theyre gonna die. Old people got a button if they fall and cant get up.
@@heraldfbubhEO21 same reason you can't just call with your phone while in a cave.
Because you have tons of rock and water around you.
@freetek23 if you can run a line you can run a bell
@@heraldfbubhEO21 I think the risk is what attracts them. If they have some kind of alert system it takes a lot of the risk out of it.
@@donnamurphy8551 I don’t think the risk is as much of a factor in cave diving, as in other extreme sports. I think the bigger motivation is to observe and experience places which almost no one has had the chance for. In some cases, the adventure comes from discovering a place. I almost wonder if these types of people don’t experience ‘thrill’ in the same way as the rest of us.
I could watch the original video wherever I want, I click for your explanations. Love em.