Do Snow Foams Really Work? Let's find out!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ค. 2024
- Do snow foams really work? Let’s find out! In this episode, we are going to find out if snow foam does anything to the paintwork? Can it clean? We will be testing a few of the industry leading snow foams, apply them on the surface, let them dwell, rinse, dry the paint and observe the SHOCKING results!
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🇺🇸 For people in USA:
Bilt Hamber Auto-Foam: bit.ly/3JB0HKZ
Bilt Hamber Touch-Less: bit.ly/44nTnxn
CarPro Lift: bit.ly/3wgM2AK
Koch Chemie Gsf: bit.ly/367Gtd5
MJJC Foam Cannon Pro: amzn.to/47sSzak
Kranzle 1122TST pressure washer: bit.ly/3d5kZeK
Mosmatic gun and wand solution: bit.ly/3ovIcPA
🇨🇦 For people in Canada:
Bilt Hamber Auto-Foam: bit.ly/3JB0HKZ
Bilt Hamber Touch-Less: bit.ly/36oJbe0
CarPro Lift: bit.ly/35ZQfhy
Koch Chemie Gsf: bit.ly/3MZwDL6
MJJC Foam Cannon Pro: amzn.to/3qduFgk
Kranzle 1122TST pressure washer: bit.ly/3d5kZeK
Mosmatic gun and wand solution: bit.ly/3ovIcPA
🇬🇧 For people in the UK:
Bilt Hamber Auto-Foam: bit.ly/3Cj4w6w
Bilt Hamber Touch-Less: bit.ly/3Rg0fVV
CarPro Lift: bit.ly/3cc9PtR
Koch Chemie Gsf: bit.ly/3dL4zhl
MJJC Foam Cannon Pro: bit.ly/3A7Bpk1
Kranzle 1122TST pressure washer: bit.ly/3d5kZeK
Mosmatic gun and wand solution: bit.ly/3ovIcPA
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⬇️🔶 LINKS TO PRODUCTS MENTIONED IN THIS VIDEO ⬇️⬇️
🇺🇸 For people in USA:
Bilt Hamber Auto-Foam: bit.ly/3JB0HKZ
Bilt Hamber Touch-Less: bit.ly/44nTnxn
CarPro Lift: bit.ly/3wgM2AK
Koch Chemie Gsf: bit.ly/367Gtd5
MJJC Foam Cannon Pro: amzn.to/47sSzak
Kranzle 1122TST pressure washer: bit.ly/3d5kZeK
Mosmatic gun and wand solution: bit.ly/3ovIcPA
🇨🇦 For people in Canada:
Bilt Hamber Auto-Foam: bit.ly/3JB0HKZ
Bilt Hamber Touch-Less: bit.ly/36oJbe0
CarPro Lift: bit.ly/35ZQfhy
Koch Chemie Gsf: bit.ly/3MZwDL6
MJJC Foam Cannon Pro: amzn.to/3qduFgk
Kranzle 1122TST pressure washer: bit.ly/3d5kZeK
Mosmatic gun and wand solution: bit.ly/3ovIcPA
🇬🇧 For people in the UK:
Bilt Hamber Auto-Foam: bit.ly/3Cj4w6w
Bilt Hamber Touch-Less: bit.ly/3Rg0fVV
CarPro Lift: bit.ly/3cc9PtR
Koch Chemie Gsf: bit.ly/3dL4zhl
MJJC Foam Cannon Pro: bit.ly/3A7Bpk1
Kranzle 1122TST pressure washer: bit.ly/3d5kZeK
Mosmatic gun and wand solution: bit.ly/3ovIcPA
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I wonder how well KCX GSF + greenstar would’ve worked for this test 🤔
Bonjour Pan, est-ce possible de faire cette vidéo en français ?
Merci
La version française était disponible au même moment. Voici: th-cam.com/video/cNDIy3iUu3M/w-d-xo.html
@@PanTheOrganizer en effet je n’ai pas fait attention. Merci pan pour les explications très bien détaillée.
Comme quoi le prélavages est très important.
Je trouve quand même bizarre que les prelavage a fort pH n’ont pas été plus efficace que le gsf
This time I will directly order through the links instead of my Amazon account. Things are going good for my detail business. First, I found a chiropractor who designed exercises and stretches before and after detailing a car. At sixty-four years of age, I’m not groaning exiting my bed the next morning. Two, I’m using my 2013 Subaru Outback with 225,000 miles as a model during weekend rideshare driving. I get a least one client if I’m in the suburban areas (few own cars in Chicago). These cars tend to higher end and I require a very good pre-wash. It looks Bilt Hamber has what I’m looking for. Thanks for the video.
Jon has such a great channel. VERY informative. Pan and jon and epic car show channel are my go to channels for anything detailing.
Yes and he's a great guy too. I interviewed him in this video: th-cam.com/video/YwLd79AJzGs/w-d-xo.html
Agreed, love them both!
Thank you Very much! Nice to see my name being mentioned 🙏
@@epicautomotivedetailing love your channel too brother!
Would be interesting to see it compared to regular car soap, ONR, and an apc like power clean. Lots of people foam with just car soap, onr would be interesting, and powerclean is often used for the same purpose in rinseless and is cheaper per gallon.
That isn't necessary, I can just tell you. ONR doesn't foam, at all. To use an apc as a foam, you need to get a hand pump foaming sprayer so you don't dilute it down beyond being effective through your pressure washer. I would strongly suggest a nonfoaming pump sprayer for your apc so it can be laid down quickly and not having to pull a trigger 300x. You would want to foam your wheel cleaner, as you dont need full strength most of the time. You would be happier without foaming (significantly diluting) your apc to use as a prerinse. However, you can always add an apc to the soap in your foam cannon to make it more aggressive, without buying a separate product. It works with other brands too, not just koch chemie, but kcx actually suggests this method and gives you directions on the bottle on how much to use.
Furthermore, you really should avoid those cheap, harsh degreasers on your car's finish, unless you're degreasing an engine block. The Family Dollar stores have an even stronger and cheaper degreaser they sell, the name slips my mind. But get yourself a quality apc (not a super strong degreaser) that is meant for use on the exterior of vehicles. It won't be the cheapest available, but will work better and safer.
@@scottmattern482 I think you're concentrating too much on the foaming part. I'm more interested in the dirt breakdown effects. I'm asking for a more generalized "prespray" comparison -- snow foam is just one type of prespray. I know ONR doesn't foam, but it does emulsify and break down dirt, so it could be a contender. I mentioned powerclean because it's suitable for exterior use (aside from glass) and can be diluted and foamed. Powerclean is a quality apc and not cheap or harsh.
@@ryeguy01 my fault, I thought you were asking how to foam them.
Curious if the results would’ve been different if it was the actual foam on there instead of the liquid version.
Same. Love Pan and the channel but a bit weird to test snow foam without foam. Maybe a door each?
I did think that was a little odd that it was just the liquid version like it would be for normal car soap
It would have been near impossible to do this test while foaming each snow foam on the same panel, as you would get overspray from one snow foam to the next.
Also, if the products were foamed on, they would actually have performed even better, so the conclusions would be the same, just amplified further.
When foaming, the bubbles cover more surface area, and when the bubbles burst, they also create light mechanical agitation and that also applies a fresh new cleaner on the surface, which further increases the cleaning ability. Also, when foamed, the snow foams cling longer on the paint and keep the paint “wetter” and lubricated for longer, giving more time to the surfactants and other parts of the chemistry to do their job.
Thats what i was thinking it’s not foam if it’s not snowfoam lol
I would like to see the results from foaming as well.
I really did enjoy this video, very informative and really great to see just how effective these are. Excellent video Pan and shout out to Jon also
Thanks Sam!
Hey Pan. I was an avid AngelWax snow foam fan. I switched to Koch Gfs and my experience is that it’s not aggressive on the sealant base I lay on my car. I also get good slickness when I do my contact wash. I have come to realize that there is no one way to wash and clean your car. Sometimes you have to change the method and sometimes the products you use. Till the next one.
This is what I was hoping for. Very happy snow foams work. Can't wait until the pre-wash video. Thanks Pan.
Thanks Jim!
Definitely looking forward to your pre rinse video. I generally use a Marolex sprayer with some ONR before the initial rinse so I can expedite the cleaning process. I sure wish KCX had 1L bottles of SFN and AF because a comparison of those two with the addition GSF would probably bring spectacular results too!
Another great comparison video, Pan! Just curious if the higher Ph level from these soaps would strip polymer based top coats like P&S Bead Maker or ceramic based top coats significantly faster. (Not actual multiple years ceramic coating)
cool test Pan!!!! I enjoyed this a lot, and was interesting to see these snow foams battle each other
Thanks Mike!
Another excellent video pan,I use snow foam on customers cars,so its very helpful to see the most effective ones to use in different seasons
Thanks Pan, another awesome review, totally agree on Bilt Hamber that took 1st place👌
Thanks Mann!
I used to work for a company that made commercial and industrial cleaning products. Everything we made that was designed to be used in a foaming device didn't work very well without one. So I too would love to see a comparison where these products are used when foamed, though they should only work better than they did this way, lol
Also, just to clarify, you wouldn't want to use an alkaline snow foam on any kind of traditionally waxed surface, is that correct?
These are meant to be foamed, so that's how they should be tested. One of the purposes of the foam is to allow the product to work longer. So the results could be different.
Unlss you were intending to reapply the wax, I'd say you're correct? Obviously, it depends on the alkalinity of the foam, but most alkaline products will remove most pure waxes, especially if you're also going to be shampooing. Products like Turtlewax Ceramic and Graphene Wax, Meguiars Hybrid Ceramic Wax, and Fusso Coat will survive a few washes with alkalines, especially the Fusso Coat! Basically, any ceramic infused waxes are my preferred option for waxing my own car if I'm going to be washing every week.
Correct. Repeated use of high pH snow foams or shampoos on regular waxes or sealants will degrade and eventually strip them off. Ceramic coatings have a much higher chemical resistance so no worries there.
It would have been near impossible to do this test while foaming each snow foam on the same panel, as you would get overspray from one snow foam to the next.
Also, if the products were foamed on, they would actually have performed even better, so the conclusions would be the same, just amplified further.
When foaming, the bubbles cover more surface area, and when the bubbles burst, they also create light mechanical agitation and that also applies a fresh new cleaner on the surface, which further increases the cleaning ability. Also, when foamed, the snow foams cling longer on the paint and keep the paint “wetter” and lubricated for longer, giving more time to the surfactants and other parts of the chemistry to do their job.
I have been working long enough with these snow foams and snow foams in general to tell you that the results would be the same as far as which one cleans best.
But you are also free to go ahead and do your own tests at home, on your vehicle and see for yourself by using products you want. Like I used to do before even starting my own channel. No need to wait for a TH-camr to do the tests. ;)
As soon as I saw the title and then the BH products I knew Jon put you up to this :) Glad to see his results duplicated by someone in different conditions. I'm a big fan of removing as much dirt in the pre-wash stage as possible.
I just wished he'd uses different products and made his own video because we've seen John do it there was no need to do it again, it really proved nothing more than a commercial for BH products IMHO.
Thanks!
Really Paul? Leave it to the internet to always find a way to complain about things. I used Gsf and Lift in this test, which Jon didn't use. And again, it was to show this to my viewers, which don't necessarily follow Jon, so I thought it was important to share this info with my audience and also show the results in different climates and conditions.
And given from the popularity of the video and the positive comments so far, this video is a success. It's all about sharing knowledge and information from different sources and having fun testing things. It's a thing of passion.
I wish you would appreciate the efforts that go into producing these videos. It's super hard work to produce and edit content.
Also, when other creators use my videos as an inspiration to reproduce something for their audiences, I'm honoured and take it as a sign that I'm doing something right instead of being mad about it. It's normal that great creators inspire other great creators. As long as credit is given where credit is due (as I gave Jon credit in this video), it's all fine by me.
First and foremost Pan, again, what transpire the most from your videos is your honesty. This is so appreciated. You have all my respect my dear fellow Montrealer! ;) Regarding snow foams, yes I originally saw Jon's test and it was revealing to say the least. I never used Bilt Hamber products as they seem to be more popular and easily sourced on the other side of the pond, but I use CarPro Lift in winter in a 5:1 ratio, followed by my favorite car shampoo ever the classic blue one from Adam's and this is for me the most effective wash stage for winter that I found. In the summer I use Mega Foam as a pre wash stage and also the classic blue or Reset in the contact wash stage and it's just the most satisfying for my preference. To me, honestly, even if the pre-wash stage did nothing I would still do it because it brings joy to my heart. I just happen to absolutely love blanketing my cars with incredibly thick foam and great smell, it's just part of my regimen and as stupid as it might sound I would do it even if it did nothing. There's just that therapeutic part for me detailing my cars, even if I don't have a magnificent 992 Turbo S which to be honest has been for a couple of years my dream car in Gentian Blue. Anyway, thank you again for your superb work and your incredible honesty and transparency Pan. This absolutely deserves the highest respect.
Thanks for the kind words and for your support! Much appreciated. What car do you drive by the way?
Respect to you for giving Jon credit for this video. I watched his video and it was very useful but I do appreciate seeing your review with snow foam products available in Canada.
I agree, a class act from Pan, on the shout out to Jon.
Thanks!
Thank you I appreciate it! I like to give credit where credit is due. Jon is a friend of mine and great person!
@@PanTheOrganizer Jon and you are fantastic resources for the car care enthusiasts out there, with always interesting and informative content.
Merci Pan The Organizer Bon travail et bien expliqué et Bravo !
Merci!
Great video Pan
Thanks Kosta!
Bilt hamber did a excellent job. Currently I'm useing carpro lift. Will be switching to BH when done. I don't mind paying when u get top notch results. Thanks pan! 🏆👊 🇨🇦
Thanks!
It's obvious on camera the 1st Bilt Hammer touchless was the clear winner.
I'd be nice to see this test repeated with the products foamed up on different panels, maybe next time.
Don't you mean Autofoam? The 1st test spot is autofoam, 2nd is touchless 😁
@@afonsofreitas3595 Tomato Toma'to 🤷
@@thenotoriousrvh6091 Just mencioning it as they have slightly different PH levels, just that! They're both awesome 😁
@@thenotoriousrvh6091 😂
@@interceptor7905 Hell they're all touchless in a sprayer 🤣🤣
Your content is simply awesome!!!!
Glad you think so!
Hey Pan, love your channel and have learned a lot. Thanks for all the thorough videos! I've recently seen some videos that test the theory of not doing a water pre rinse before snow foaming claiming the water pre rinse diminishes the performance of the foam. Maybe you could do a video on this theory proving or disproving it?
As I said in the video, I have an upcoming video next Saturday that will demonstrate just that. Stay tuned! ;)
Nice review! Going to invest into Bilt Hamber products
Thanks Donald!
Can't wait for next video. That's been my question for a while now.
;)
I am impressed with the video
Thank you
Thanks!
I really didn’t think they did much cleaning but now I know they do, so thanks for testing and sharing.
;)
Obrigado, Pan. Gosto muito desse tipo de vídeo comparativo. Em relação ao GSF, se for utilizado para pré-lavagem, pode-se associar com 30 mL/litro do Green Star da Koch Chemie. Essa associação é muito eficiente na pré-lavagem. De toda forma, notou-se que o GSF isolado foi capaz de minimizar a sujeira na superfície da pintura. Obrigado pelo vídeo, Pan.
Waston Ribeiro - Brazil
Salut Pan, un test aussi impressionnant , qu' inattendu, c'est vraiment intéressant. Merci 👍🙋♂️
Merci!
All this time I’m watching and commenting on your videos. I’m just realizing I’m not subscribed to your channel. That has been remedied. Liked and subscribed.
Since you subbed, let me officially welcome you to the Pan The Organizer family! What's your favourite video on my channel so far?
Finally a video that answers my question. I have a Canam X3 side by side and I was curious I’d detergents make much of a difference compared to just straight pressure washing. Thanks for the info.
Thanks Kevin. How did you discover my channel by the way?
Welcome to my channel. You discovered one of the biggest car detailing channels on TH-cam as we surpassed 965,000 subscribers and we have over 130 million views! I have been detailing for 26 years and I love to share my knowledge and passion with my viewers.
You found the right channel to help you learn everything about detailing.
@@PanTheOrganizer I think I typed a search asking if foam cannons really work? I was curious if detergents are worth the extra money to clean a SXS. Some companies advertise touch less and make it look awesome in the videos but is what they show a reality. Actual touch is the only success I’ve ever had but that’s challenging when cleaning the surfaces of a side by side
Glad you did this. I live in Colorado and your car looks like my truck in the winter .👍
Welcome to my channel. You discovered one of the biggest car detailing channels on TH-cam as we surpassed 1 million subscribers and we have over 135 million views! I have been detailing for 27 years and I love to share my knowledge and passion with my viewers.
You found the right channel to help you learn everything about detailing.
Awesome 😎 video Pan all those products are wonderful and I really enjoyed watching that video much love ❤️ enjoy your day happy Easter 🐣 have a great 👍 weekend Pan 🙏🙏👏👏👏🤙🤙🤙👍👍💯💯💯💯
Thanks Kimo!
Great episode, Pan! Love your content, as usual. :) I also use Bilt Hamber Auto-Foam on our truck. I first came across BH from watching Jon's videos on it. It was suggested with BH was not to be using it all the time on the same vehicle as a routine wash...more for that extra dirty vehicle. ;) One suggestion I might add would be to add to the list is one or two more commonly used snow foams from us "weekend warriors" from manufacturers like Adams or Chemical Guys. ;)
Correct. Ceramic coatings have a much higher chemical resistance compared to traditional waxes/sealants. So no worries of using high pH snow foams, but not every day. For regular washes, still use pH neutral snow foam. But for decontamination, removing traffic film and grime, especially after winter or after a few months, using high pH snow foams isn't a problem for coated cars.
Thanks! Yes, now I'm wondering what your thoughts are on pre rinsing vs going straight to foam first. Looking forward to that video!
Brian of Apex did it by foaming and the Bilt Hamber touchless worked quite a bit better than the Auto-foam.
I still pre rinse because i feel the water from the pre rinse allows the foam to penetrate the grime and dirt etc easier, it's helping to begin the emulsification process..
I have honestly tried both on my daily driver and haven't found any real difference between grime and dirt removal but I'd rather pre rinse first to remove the loose stuff rather than have more gunk floating around in the foam potentially getting trapped in the moulding or somewhere it could come out later during the washing process...
Remember the car John did was just dusty or sandy not "winter" dirty ..
You do what you feel is right don't let these guys influence you because there's is no right or wrong way...
You will soon find out next Saturday on my channel. ;) (But yes if your car is heavily caked in mud or heavy dirt, please pre-rinse first. Common sense is crucial here).
@@PanTheOrganizerPan, somewhere I read/viewed that water alone in the pre-rinse from the pressure would actually push the grit, having it scratch! And, as you’ve demoed here, the soap, alone, in fact DOES lift the loose grime.
Best, it was said, to foam and, then, pre-rinse; then doing a regular foam, again, before the contact washing. There, it was up to the quality of the mitts (curved, as one pushes) to slop the foam and dirt ahead…. So, a big, sloppy, really soaked mitt mattered. It all made sense to me!
GREAT, great video. Thank you!
Linda
Pan! Wowowowow! Where are my sunglasses? Hands down, the BH on the left. It just shone underneath. Never heard of it, but now I’m a BELIEVER! I was gonna go with the GSF or Adams’ MegaFoam, purely because of what I’d learned about reducing the dreaded spotting. Not anymore…. Thanks SO, so, so, so very, very much. Linda
(Now, (for those of us not having outdoor spigot water softeners:) I’m curious if there’s a safe bucket additive to possibly soften the water and frothy-up the bubbly soap to, perhaps, help reduce water spots, too?)
Hello Pan,
I have just switched to the Bilt Hamber Auto Foam and wow, what a great product. Like Jon, I live in the UK, but I live in the Peak District. So they were still chucking salt around in April. I have Soft 99 Fusso on my cars and I hit it with the Auto Foam and the dirt slid off with the protection standing up.👍
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You sir have inspirated me to start pursuing a career in car detailing, I m loving your videos
Thanks! How did you discover my channel?
I made many videos on how to start a detailing business including a recent one here: th-cam.com/video/WV3FJcWf77I/w-d-xo.html
I ve tried polishing my car just by hand the other day, and I wanted to see how to do it properly and then found your videos
👍🏻
Awesome video! Yeah I watched Jon’s video and it changed my view of foam. Wish you would’ve foamed the product tho! I like that Built Hammer!!
Jon didn't foam the products neither. And there's a reason for that.
It would have been near impossible to do this test while foaming each snow foam on the same panel, as you would get overspray from one snow foam to the next.
Also, if the products were foamed on, they would actually have performed even better, so the conclusions would be the same, just amplified further.
When foaming, the bubbles cover more surface area, and when the bubbles burst, they also create light mechanical agitation and that also applies a fresh new cleaner on the surface, which further increases the cleaning ability. Also, when foamed, the snow foams cling longer on the paint and keep the paint “wetter” and lubricated for longer, giving more time to the surfactants and other parts of the chemistry to do their job.
Thanks Pam for this comparison video. I also follow Jon and that video sold me on giving the new BH Touchless a try. Got it a couple of weeks ago but haven't tried it yet due to weather not cooperating
My pleasure Clay! (Keep in mind my name is Pan, not Pam haha. I'm sure it's just a typo)
@@PanTheOrganizer LOL sorry my bad Pan (definitely a typo)
Hehe no worries ;)
We need to see this same test but with the use of a foam cannon. Great content as always, man! 🙏🏼💪🏼
Thanks John! It would have been near impossible to do this test while foaming each snow foam on the same panel, as you would get overspray from one snow foam to the next.
Also, if the products were foamed on, they would actually have performed even better, so the conclusions would be the same, just amplified further.
When foaming, the bubbles cover more surface area, and when the bubbles burst, they also create light mechanical agitation and that also applies a fresh new cleaner on the surface, which further increases the cleaning ability. Also, when foamed, the snow foams cling longer on the paint and keep the paint “wetter” and lubricated for longer, giving more time to the surfactants and other parts of the chemistry to do their job.
A quality analysis of snow foams with a great range of products! As I have noted before - your scientific method is excellent :) I am not familiar with Bilt Hamber, but I will do some research. I like the CarPro product for coated vehicles as you mention in the video :) I use the snow foam all over the vehicle - fender wells, tires, wheels, etc. Anything that precleans well is welcome in my garage!
The good thing of BH products are their cleaner series all have rust inhibitor. Try the auto wash bh for the hand washing, so economical, potent and has rust inhibitor.
@@jonathan6009 Thank you for the information!
Thanks Brian!
Love this channel
Thanks man! What's your favourite video on my channel so far?
Always amazing videos. What I've been doing for the last few weeks is in one of my foam cannons I shoot krud kutter let it sit for 2 minutes hit it with the power washer. Take my other Cannon with Superior Products dirt buster let the foam sit on for three or four minutes rinse off with power washer then my two bucket method rinse off now I hit it with Superior Products formula 4 drying agent. Towel dry then spray wax or quick detailer.
Thanks for the positive feedback! What's your favourite video on my channel so far?
Hey Pan great video again 👍. Was the car panel ceramic coated before?
Thanks. Yes it's my girlfriend's SUV, and I applied the Adam's Graphene Ceramic Coating Advanced on it 6 months ago. Here's the video: th-cam.com/video/idU5XsHTj7Y/w-d-xo.html
Hi Pan, thanks again for another great video - you are amazing! one comment, if i may - i feel (since we are basically comparing pre-washes) that we might have needed to use GS by Koch Chemie (which is a pre-wash product, with a PH of 12.5), instead of the Gsf that was used in this video, in order to have an "apple to apple" comparison, no? what do you think? i might be wrong, but just thinking out loud with you and your great community here.
I wanted to show what a pH neutral snow foam could do. And I can't possibly include every snow foam known to man in one test. ;)
An idea for the next round of tests, the GSF, vs CarPro Reset and other leading ph neutral soaps AND a pre-treat with Rinseless washes like ONR and N-914. I believe the runseless wash pre treatment does a great job.
i was specting the spray bottles to BE use um the teste. And i get curious to see...how ir wiil show result um the dark.... which Will Shine the most because of the Lost dirt. good job PAN.
Hi Pan, can you recommended a mask for detailing? I have worn a respirator but that is a little to much for me.
My favorites are nanolex professional prewash for heavy dirt and Sonax ActiFoam Energy if I want a ph neutral snow foam.
Built hamber for sure what about a apc before snow foam should break down pretty good thanks pan 👍
From my perspective on my iPad, I would have to say Bilt Hamber products worked the best. Until today, I never heard of this brand before, and because I live in pretty much the same environment as you in Montreal, I will seriously consider buying this pre wash foam cannon product. Thanks again Pan. Great job, great video as well. Cheers from Ottawa. 🇨🇦👏
Bilt Hamber Touch-Less (for winter) and Auto-Foam (all the other three seasons) are the two best snow foams I have tested as far as cleaning capabilities are concerned. You still need to follow with a contact wash, but the amount of dirt and grime they remove in the pre-wash is amazing.
More videos to come with those in the near future.
Hi Sir should I rinse it first with water before foaming?
This was pretty cool.
Thanks!
Hey, Pan. Great video! Just curious what you used for the contact wash?
This: amzn.to/3xwagYg
I'll explain why in an upcoming video on the spring maintenance cleaning of my girlfriend's SUV. ;)
I like using the Koch Chemie GSF since I am always going to do a contact wash afterwards. The closer I can keep all my chemicals to 7 on the scale the better. I will consider the CarPro Snow Foam if ever doing a snow foam without a post contact wash.
I would never just use a pre-wash without following up with a contact wash. Hence why snow foams are referred to as "pre-wash snow foams".
Looking forward to the video on pre-rinsing!
Yessss! :)
Great video Pan and yes the difference is obvious so better use the foams shampoo thanks 👍🏾😎
Thanks!
Hi pan I use bilt hamber auto foam. But when the car is really dirty I start with bilt Hamber surfex hd at a low mix and spray the foam straight after then rinse both off.
Your video did a great job convening me to use a pre wash.
Thanks Eric!
Thanks for continue sharing your great recommendations... i have one auestion. for which conditions we i apply the "Bilt Hamber Surfex-hd Surfex HD Cleaner" on my car?
In which ever scenarios you might need an APC. Cleaning plastics, wheels, tires, etc.
Finally! This will be eye opener for lot of people who use foam completly wrong, this is right purpose to use it, like a pre wash! :)
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Another great informational video. Thanks Pan! Is it safe to use a car cover to help protect my car that I have to keep parked outside?
Don't use a car cover because they can flap around in the breeze and marr the paint when rubbing , not to mention the dust and moisture that can get under them..
Come up with a really good maintenance wash plan with great products and you'll find it easier to wash your car regularly.
Big fan of the Forensic Detailing channel and great content as usual Pan. I’ve been using GSF and Green Star for a while now and they truly are a great combo. The lubrication and cleaning ability are excellent. I lay down the prewash on a dry vehicle, do a thorough rinse, foam again, then proceed with the contact wash. Next ones I want to try are Lift and NV Snow+.
Thanks for Green Star/GSF combo. Pan dialed me onto GSF a few months ago. After watching this video and seeing your comment, I’ll try the combo. Thanks!
@@keithlutz7000 I find it useful in the winter months to spike my snow foam with Boost from Ammo NYC as it really fights off a lot of the winter villains and helps protect against them over the course of Winter as well.
It may sound strange but if you're in a pinch and fighting road salt way hard on a particular vehicle, you can add a bit of Resolve carpet cleaner to your foam cannon with the soap. It's designed to deal with pet urine odors, which exist because uric acid converts to salts and then they're harder to break down. Anyway the resolve (or whatever urine salt attacking option you choose)attacks road salt and other salts and really helps with a wash in the Winter.
Thanks Chris!
Love this video! I travel a lot of gravel and dirt roads, what would be your recomendation for dirt /mud? Would you go with Auto-Foam mixed a little heavier? Thanks for the videos, love them.
For dirt and mud, you always have to pre-rinse first, with a pressure washer or garden hose. Snow foams won't be able to cut through too much of dirt and mud. Once that's done, then you can blanket the vehicle with the snow foam.
I definitely would pre rinse with a power washer. I was looking for something that would help cut the underlying or residual film that was left. When you talked about the Auto-Foam being high alkalinity, I thought that might definitely help cut through that film. Thanks for the reply!
Thanks PAN
My pleasure Nevets!
Should try KCX Sfn, SuperFoam. Rated at pH of 12.5 and is extremely thick, and smells great too!
Hi, great channel with lots of helpful information,
Another step to the experiment was worth adding, just cleaning with water and a clean cloth.
Pretty sure in terms of cleanliness would have done the same effect. Without unnecessary materials
You would never wash the car with just water. You need surfactants and lubricating agents to not scratch the surface.
Very interesting!
:)
Hi Pan - so if I use the Bilt Hamber auto foam, will it strip any sealant, like c2v3 gtechniq? If so, would I reapply c2v3? Or just use beadmaker? Or both?
You wouldn’t have the use for BH for every weekly wash. If you use it weekly, use it at a lower 2% PIR and it shouldn’t strip ceramic based protections.
I'm curious if this test can also be applied to waterless washes. I'm a fan of waterless washes, as I tend to use them once a week between more detailed maintenance washes (I live under a flight path for a big airport and a private airport). Can you run a test using different waterless washes? As they all do state that they encapsulate dirt for a safer washing experience.
Great video, I'm curious if actually foaming them would make more or less of a result. Nonetheless very good to know they help out removing films and dirt and it isn't completely pointless! Thanks, Pan!
It would have been near impossible to do this test while foaming each snow foam on the same panel, as you would get overspray from one snow foam to the next.
Also, if the products were foamed on, they would actually have performed even better, so the conclusions would be the same, just amplified further.
When foaming, the bubbles cover more surface area, and when the bubbles burst, they also create light mechanical agitation and that also applies a fresh new cleaner on the surface, which further increases the cleaning ability. Also, when foamed, the snow foams cling longer on the paint and keep the paint “wetter” and lubricated for longer, giving more time to the surfactants and other parts of the chemistry to do their job.
@@PanTheOrganizer thank you for the information! maybe foaming them with the hand spray foamers wouldn't be too bad of a idea if you do it again in the future with other foams 🤔
I use Bilt Hamber Touchless before every wash......on a dry car so the dry film/dirt absorbs the cleaning chemicals properly and it does a fantastic job, washing after feels pointless. Great product although its more of a wet slushy foam than other products.
I use BH Autofoam. it's excellent. snowfoam makes the contact wash so easy and quick. it's uncanny how clean my mitt is. I also use it in a Pump Sprayer and works great. may try the Touchless next time.
Thanks for sharing
Salut Pan , je suis sur la rive sud de Montréal et j’ai besoin de ton opinion. J’ai une protection céramique et j utilise un snowfoam de prélavage durant l été sauf pour cet hiver, j’utiliserais une pompe manuel et un boyau d arrosage à jardin pour faire mon pré lavage. Quel produit je devrait prendre?
Awesome video and product review good friend. Awesome idea 4 video .results don't lie.b well good friend
Thanks! Happy Easter!
Oooo the forbidden cocktail🍹 me likey
I use lift but the first one let me think about… i live in the caribbean near to the sea, my enviroment its heavy too… thanks for your time
I’m thinking about trying one of the BH products in my Marolux Axel Foamer. But I’m unsure how to determine the mix ratio since it’s not a traditional foamer. What amount would you recommend I add to 1 gallon of water?
You would need to follow the instructions on the rear label.
Hi Pan does the higher alkaline products remove my wax protectant?
Yes if you do repeated use. Waxes aren’t as chemically resistant compared to ceramic coatings.
I’ve had good luck with gsf and adding a little Koch green star if the car is really dirty.
Hi Pan, thanks for the video. For the touchless you say you use the 5% PIR, how many ounces is that in the foam cannon you normally use which I believe is the MTM with the Kranzle pw.
The amount varies according to your setup, so it won't do you any service by knowing my quantities... But if you absolutely want to know:
For a 600 ml solution (20oz) at 5% PIR: 345 ml (11.7oz) of snow foam and 255 ml (8.6oz) of water
That's for my Kranzle 1122TST pressure washer (2.1GPM of water output) and MJJC Foam Cannon Pro foam cannon.
@@PanTheOrganizer thanks for the info. Love your vids, very helpful.
Can you do a comparison between them again but try the GSF with green star added. I feel like the slickness of GSF and the added cleaning power of the green star might take top spot.
Great test, could you do this with a bunch of foam sprayers to see if it works even better with foam? Another test with Decon soaps would be really cool as well. Like Obsessed Garage has, Chemical Guys Clean Slate, Malco, etc.... Cool idea and it shows the benefits of a presoak with foam!
It would have been near impossible to do this test while foaming each snow foam on the same panel, as you would get overspray from one snow foam to the next.
Also, if the products were foamed on, they would actually have performed even better, so the conclusions would be the same, just amplified further.
When foaming, the bubbles cover more surface area, and when the bubbles burst, they also create light mechanical agitation and that also applies a fresh new cleaner on the surface, which further increases the cleaning ability. Also, when foamed, the snow foams cling longer on the paint and keep the paint “wetter” and lubricated for longer, giving more time to the surfactants and other parts of the chemistry to do their job.
Dry application showed with Bilt Hamber by John some Time ago really blowed my mind. I Found the soap's + shipping for a decent Price in Belgium
Hey Pan! Could you do a Rinseless battle with pre rinse like you did here ? That would be awesome!
Noted.
Hi Pan,
I'm confused how to wash my car. I've started using the Optimum No Rinse and it works great. Do I need to use a snow foam instead?
Which way do you wash that beautiful Porsche of yours?
Also, you use a blower to get the water off cars. Which is better the microfiber towels or the blower?
Thank you,
Howard
Oh yes! A Bilt Hamber special! 💪Touch-less is my absolute favourite snowfoam- it actually works unlike 90% out there. That thin layer of crust left is whats almost statically charged dirt particles left over and comes off with the lightest amount of pressure from your noodle sponnge or mitt, the Sugar based (no harsh chemicals it uses a newer way to clean) cleaning power breaks down the molecules that bind the dirt together leaving a very clean surface to contact wash with- this vastly reducing paint swirls. I think a decent prewash is the best way to prevent damage to paint. I recommend this product with Touch-on shampoo makes the touch-less system work very well. If you used an air blower to dry there would be no need to contact the paintwork at all. The odd occasions you might want to use Bilt Hamber's PH neutral shampoo to get some ultra fine residue off. I use this system all the time and my neighbour comments on my 15 year old cars paintwork and how its like a brand new vehicle. I gave him a sachet of Touch-on shampoo to try....😉 buy the way, since its debut on here the price of Touch-less has gone up! So let's keep this product to ourselves....
Hehehe thanks for watching and sharing your experience!
I wouldn't be able to use a sugar-based cleaner outdoors. I'd be swarmed by nearby bees. They are attracted to fruity scented washes, too.
@ericfranke1637 nah, it's a refined sugar based cleaner, it's certainly not sugary 🤣, everyone would have the same problem if it was sugar on the paint, also it would be a sticky mess. It's not actual sugar 🤣
@@79blustone nah, the other agents in the formula would prevent that if that's the case or they would never let the product out the door. At any rate my point is bees are attracted to my fruity/sweet scented car washes so I want to avoid issues with that.
@ericfranke1637 👍Bilt Hamber touchless snowfoam is scent free too. Just the usual chemical clean smell.
Jon got me to buy the Bilt-Hamber Touchless and Auto-foam and I maintained my old car this past winter with it. I applied it using my IK Foam Pro 12 w/ mini air compressor "hack" and it literally MELTED the salt, dirt and muck off of the car, leaving only the slightest film which I easily removed with a RW👍👍
Thank you Jon and Pan for bringing this to masses and btw its available in the U.S. through The Clean Garage👈
Thanks! I’m from Chicago and they use salt and sodium chloride like they own stock in the salt companies!
@@keithlutz7000 I live in Chicagoland also, I know of what you speak. These 2 products keep you clean and protected, along with Blizzaks😉
Thanks for the kind words!
We will definitely be waiting for that video of the "2 different schools" of thoughts for pre-rinse or not before snow foam! I wonder if it's the same procedure whether the car is slightly dirty like few weeks or super dirty like few months of no washing. I would imagine if a car hasn't been washed for 5 months or so (I couldn't because of super busy schedules) a power rinse with water would definitely be helpful before snow foaming. At least that's what I did and hydrophobic tendencies are back.
The seemingly more and more apparent conclusion is that Water in and of itself does nothing at all for cleaning, at least compared to good surfactants, encapsulation agents, and a good ole higher(alkaline) or lower(acidic) pH cleaner.
The only thing I can honestly think of for a traditional pre-wash is the pressure would help with cars where there's lots of dirt that can be separated from the rest, but even then you're watering down the surface already for your snow foam and then pushing around a bunch of dirt under high pressure.
I like to use something like ONR in a sprayer to pre-treat any areas with lots and lots of dirt and then let my foam do it's job to clean as much of the rest of it as it can before I ever get a chance to move dry dirt around.
@@muchachogrande2019 yes. that is my thinking too. thank you for that. I wonder though if being watered down surface matters if you have ceramic coating. and if ONR and APCs have a "fading" effect on the ceramic coating in the long run with multiple washes. but all in all, I'm on same boat with you
how safe is bilt hamber touchless or carpro lift on clearcoat. can this cause issues to the clearcoat over time?
Absolutely zero worries. Both are clear coat safe.
Hey Pan have you ever tried Presta products? I use the polish and it works well for me in my car and my boat I just thought it will be nice to hear an opinion from the expert.
I haven't tested their products.
There is a video done by Autocarehq where she makes a convincing argument that using a pump sprayer instead of a foam cannon might make more sense in products such as reset and auto foam, which are not known for their foam as much as their ability to clean. She postulates that the pump sprayer will require less of the product and do just a good a job at actually cleaning the exterior of the car as a foam cannon. I think I’ll give it a try, but I thought that maybe the great Pan the Organizer might just want to try it, as well. Happy Easter.
Yes using a manual pump sprayer/foamer will allow you to have a better control over dilution ratios, that's a given. Common sense. But using a foam cannon is much more efficient and quick. So it's a question of what you really want. But both work super well.
Higher pH are good for bugs & grease. To remove road salt I use an acidic foam (VER-TECH Salt Shield)
What snow foam would you recommend in Arizona during the summer months. I would be worried about leaving foam on my car when its 100 F (37 C) for 5 minutes. I would think it would rune my paint or graphine coating.
Don't let snow foam dry on the paint that's for sure. If you are working outside, work in the shade and never during noon hours when the sun is at its brightest and hottest. If you have no choice but to work in direct sunlight, stick with a pH neutral snow foam like the Adam's Mega Foam or Koch Chemie Gsf.
Hi Pan
Good test
Try to test Gs with these other its pH 12.5
Or the dedicated pre-wash Vb pH 13.1
Thanks! How did you discover my channel by the way?
@@PanTheOrganizer
Old follower years back
Great channel and content, inspiring
Big thumbs up 👍🏻
Awesome! Thanks for the feedback. Always happy to see long time subscribers still along for the ride. 🙏🏻
What is your go to all purpose cleaner what's good for fabric stain removers im new want to know all good stuff
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Next one please include a Popular & Basic OG product like Maguire's Gold Glass or Adam's in addition to the control. This would illustrate WHY it is more beneficial to use one of these fancy cleaners over a basic one. ...Unless of course the basic ones equally perform.
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Thanks for the video, Pan !
You said that we can add the Green Star to GSF. What the dilution ratio should be for the car from your video?
P. S. Happy Easter to you and for the family!
Greetings from Warsaw/Poland
I’d also like to know this
It apparently says it on the gsf bottle according to another video I saw. I’m gonna try it out since my detail supplier sells Koch Chemi
Thanks Darek! The recommended dilutions for adding Gs to Gsf are on the label. ;)
Always foaming on dry paint. Just my opinion 😎 great stuff again Pan.
Thanks!
You need to add a comparison with KCx Af and Sf too