That little part of his face that's stretched out should be where the model is trying to attach to the bones for moving his mouth. Lothric speaks in a cutscene, so the model has bones for mouth movement, but this skeleton doesn't have them, which could imply it's from quite far back in development, or would have used a different version of Lothric's model.
@@emmanuelecontrerasdongo3997 I think there're also how animation would resolve, how the models would clip when out of sync, how Lothric would have to align with his brother's body for the animation to play smoothly. In the end it's just a hassle and not worth spending resource on, and seeing how the Twin Princes is already infamously hard even with 1 attack resolve at a time, imagine how horrifying they would be if you have to dodge Lorian's slashes and watch out for Lothric's Soul Spear at the same time. I think they made a right decision for this one lol.
@@peterwilliams3190 It's one model but with 'other' Lothric's hitbox active. The animation is almost in sync so they can just hide the other lothric model and keep just its hitbox and its animation.
'Mark my words, Ashen one, you remain amongst the accursed' is my favorite line in the series. Perfectly mirrors the theme of DS1 and DS3 and how regardless of what you do, the world won't be a better place.
"Lorian, the older and larger brother" is just the funniest thing to me, I know it makes sense in context but imagine if we referred to our irl siblings by their comparative sizes
I mean, my brother is also both the older and larger brother, and it makes sense for me to refer to him as such, because I'm 1,57m (5'2)'' and he's 2m (6'5")...
I've gotten a lot of comments from people who haven't played every game in the series but still watch the different videos, so I figured I should specify a physical characteristic to make it obvious which one was which for people who didn't already know.
Usually from books I've read they describe brothers and sisters in that regard, one being the younger "bolder" and another small and scrawny etc but we never really describe each other in person like that, mainly because we would feel like we are insulting each other
@@theonionsystem7779 I think in the case of books, it's to help us visualize the character. But such things usually aren't necessary in person, because we can see the differences for ourselves.
That's basically how he is canonically. He's definitely shorter, but when you pay attention, he's way closer to Lorian's height than you might first expect. Definitely more than I first noticed fighting them.
@@mastermarkus5307 now that i look, yea his features are fucking long he does have a considerably smaller frame compared to his brother though so he's lanky but not as wide
@@OssaLuctus His arms and hands are especially long and that creeped me out the most. Especially since he has a pretty normal face; his body is just weird. Maybe it's the dragon experimenting stuff his dad did.
I think the problem is that they would start to have severe bugs I mean we see it on some single mobs Another thing is that in this case lorian is dependant on lothric and making him seperate would mean that we can knock him off or kill him before the second phase
It actually worked with the two bosses in dark souls, one at anor londo. I've been scratching my head on why they can't seem to make it work in the newer ones.
Probably removed it, given they wanted a two phase fight, and to make that feature work they'd have to buff up his health bar by ALOT since he usually dies way before being able to heal his homie anyways, and it'd be pretty taxing on the player at that point in the game (tho it is an end game boss, so maybe it was more for lore, cuz it'd be kinda weird if he had a bigger health bar then his larger and armored up friend)
The animations of Lothric crawling make me me think maybe at one point when they were separate NPCs there would have been possible to knock him off Lorian’s back. Either as part of the fight or an Easter egg if the player did XYZ
It’s actually really interesting as we come up to the release of elden ring that they tried many times to make rideable npcs and finally succeeded with their newest game To me it’s obvious that from really strives to innovate their games learning from past experiences and I can’t wait for elden ring to give me that sweet mountable goodness
its only after seeing all this recent mount stuff that come up and seeing Elden Ring that makes even more sense why they give us a horse. they get to show off a separate mountable NPC at all times! unless of course its actually part of the player model at all times and the horse part is just hidden away. we shall see once people start cracking that bad boy open to sift through the content.
Lorian and Lothric are incredibly underrated by the entire community and it's a shame. Such a cool boss, their lore, their fight and their ost are absolutely awesome
Zullie on a massive quest to find an actual double character /double npc. This is the most promising one so far, but is Zullie satisfied with the results? Stay tuned.
I have to admit that the Souls fanbase are one of the most dedicated fans that i've ever seen. They keep searching for every detail in the game... That's truly impressive
I actually prefer the way they did it, with him on his back. I just like the visual of it, of the older brother carrying his disabled brother. It’s kinda sweet in a way.
I think it would’ve been cool (but freaky) if once you killed Lorian, Lothric goes berserk and starts fighting you Orphan of Kos style but on all fours like some sorta rabid monster.
If Lothric had the speed of Orphan of Kos, I wonder how many players would shit themselves trying to handle his moves, lol. I love that DS3 has faster combat akin to Bloodborne, but there some bosses that I think are almost too fast for the game. Sister Friede being the main one with fighting a lot like Lady Maria.
@@lethalethan07 Oceiros wasn't bad for me. He took me just 2 attempts. He's got moves similar to Vordt, Ludwig, and some other Soulsborne bosses that I'd fought before I got to him. The crystal breath is annoying, but he really wasn't too bad; definitely not too fast.
It's a pretty smart way of doing it. Getting two character models to interact just for animation purposes is hard enough, then trying to put one on top of the other and have them move together without the rigs completely clipping and exploding is near impossible. Making them one NPC/rig while adding a second hit box is pretty genius.
Seems like they've always been using weird roundabout ways of making interacting npcs work, and because sometimes the solution is to make 1 npc they end up creating new problems that need roundabout solutions. I'm guessing from what we've seen in Elden Ring they've went the mile of having their engineers code something specifically for handling two npcs that should be sync'ing animations/behavior at certain points. And no it's probably something completely separate from throws.
We'll have to see once its out in pc to see if they're doing it properly yet. Still remember that prospect how theres gonna be million of npc below elden ring map lol
Zullie finding all the "rider" type creations has been a trip. Just started DS1, actually, cuz of the great content here. Just wish I could've gotten PTDE instead of the remaster.
Animating him to climb to his elder brother's back and stay there while also staying on accurately while the other one moves? I get the enormous challenge to the point of impossibility.
Probably marking a spot that negates any fall damage and it either sometimes doesn’t work or the person lands in the wrong spot. I’ve seen a couple instances in the Ringed City DLC where that first fall led to deaths cause they landed away from the circle they were meant to land ln
I guess this is what they made before they realized having one character riding another wasn't feasible at the time. Damn these insights are so cool. Thanks Zullie!
I'm always amazed by how cool the FromSoft cut content or just unused stuff is, makes me wonder on what was their purpose and what was the game like in early development. I really appreciate all the digging you do to show us these little treasures.
One thing I've been a bit curious about, how does Sen's fortress work when it comes to the rolling boulders? How does it determine when to rotate paths?
@@yuturtuyieie5544 It's seemed to me that there's a specific spot that triggers that rotation when the player moves through it. Just from listening to the sound cues. It'd be easier to accept if there was a visible pressure plate that could be avoided, like with the dart traps.
This is kind of the penultimate example of the "from soft has been struggling to create mounted NPC's" arc zullie has been focusing on. They actually made a mounted npc, but rather than synch the animations, they just made him invisible and then created a model with an illusory clone that wouldn't look so strange I wonder how much content this inspired. I'm super hype to see zullie data mine through elden ring now
As a game dev student, I must thank you for your work, it's helping me a lot to understand how big companies like From Software build their games and I learned a lot of tricks watching your videos so thank you!
it's really hard to make two seperate character models interact without it looking goofy or running into a toooon of cliping issues esspecially in something like a soulsbornering video game with a lot of fast movements and overlaping animation systems. this was likely done to make the fight look less goofy at what probably was a pretty tight deadline by the end of production
It's notoriously difficult to make it look like two models are _actually_ interacting in a believable way and the idea of getting them to do that properly in-engine on the fly as two npcs acting as essentially one npc is kind of... dumb, honestly, so I imagine someone at From was eventually just like "Why are we even trying to do this with two NPCs at all? Why not just give one NPC two separate hit boxes that relate to two separate health bars??" And thus they did that.
Ahh, this goes some way to explain why you can land a free-aim headshot on Lothric from the front, but it always registers the damage to Lorian. It's the same model and the only valid hitbox for Lothric is in the back despite where his "part" of the model displays.
This is so awesome; I've always wondered what that extra hidden NPC was doing there. I'd usually come across it when scrolling through the game's debug menu.
Hey Zullie, it looks like your channel has really blown up recently, is that the case? You're the only channel I have notifications turned on for and even when I look immediately you have hundreds of comments and several k views. Keep up the good work
Yep, it has. It's good that the algorithm seems to be suggesting Zullie's work even though the videos are short. I'm sure each one requires a ton of work though to put in the research as well as the editing. It's impressive how frequent they are!
I like this contrast of these at times cursed animations and the calm/ upbeat BGM. Makes this fight kinda weird, knowing that you try to attack Lothric himself, but actually you are beating up an invisible copy.
Making two NPCs interact in animation is a MAJOR pain in the a$$. Trust me. Even NPC interacting with static object is a large can of worms. Added me a couple of grey hairs.
"Lothric. I can't concentrate on fighting with your sword hitting my back. Put it in the scabbard." "Sorry dear brother, i'll put it away..." "Good... oh, now there's some sticky liquid dripping under my backplate. Did you drop your estus again Lothric?" "Yes, i'm sorry again... the Estus... some dropped from the flask."
You know, early back in 2016 when the game released a lot of people called these two "The Incest Twins" I guess Lothric is localized in the ancient realm of Alabama.
There are plenty of much more high-class examples of incest; see most royalty through most of human history. Though it was usually of the "pure bloodline" type than the " _REALLY_ take care of your brother" type.
My guess was that originally players could blow Lothric off of Lorian if they hit him hard enough but FromSoft changed their minds, probably because Lothric seemed defenseless on his own and Lorian would lose his stage two capabilities.
This is so cool. Brothers dynamic always reminded me a lot of Karamon and Raistlin from Dragonlance, but now even more, with second Lothric looking so vulnerable.
From an animation perspective it makes perfect sense. It's much easier to animate on single object than it is on two separate objects. Mesh overlap, objects snapping into place for combined animations, etc. It would not be fun to work out for sure.
i rly like how they keep working on ideas they have in older games, and try and try again to get it to work until finally get something out of it. is rly neat to see that kind of progress, kinda....
That little part of his face that's stretched out should be where the model is trying to attach to the bones for moving his mouth. Lothric speaks in a cutscene, so the model has bones for mouth movement, but this skeleton doesn't have them, which could imply it's from quite far back in development, or would have used a different version of Lothric's model.
But why using one jointed npc and an invisible one instead of two separate npcs?
@@torquevonthorne948 collisions? its easier to animate a single object with a single skeleton than 2 interacting ones
@@emmanuelecontrerasdongo3997 I think there're also how animation would resolve, how the models would clip when out of sync, how Lothric would have to align with his brother's body for the animation to play smoothly. In the end it's just a hassle and not worth spending resource on, and seeing how the Twin Princes is already infamously hard even with 1 attack resolve at a time, imagine how horrifying they would be if you have to dodge Lorian's slashes and watch out for Lothric's Soul Spear at the same time. I think they made a right decision for this one lol.
@@torquevonthorne948 well they obviously tried that, but the way they implemented it in the final version is much more optimized.
@@peterwilliams3190 It's one model but with 'other' Lothric's hitbox active. The animation is almost in sync so they can just hide the other lothric model and keep just its hitbox and its animation.
“This spot marks our grave but you may rest here too if you’d like” so simple but this boss has some of the coolest lines.
Its such a polite roast🤣
oh, dear... another dogged contender
'Mark my words, Ashen one, you remain amongst the accursed' is my favorite line in the series. Perfectly mirrors the theme of DS1 and DS3 and how regardless of what you do, the world won't be a better place.
I'm having Gravemind flashbacks "This not your grave, but you are welcomed in it. "
@@ch0s688 was just about to comment this 😂
I really like the part where the independent Lothric model takes like 8 hits in rapid succession and then throws up a gang sign before dying
I didn’t notice the gang sign he Deadass said🗡🗡🗡🗡🤪✌️💀
I love the animations where Lothric gets the absolute shit beat out of him with the series of hit sound effects
It always puts a smile on my face when Lothric gets the absolute shit beat out of him.
@@thecandlemaker1329 poor lothric he a gud boi
Lothric getting gunned down by the mafia
@@gizmohollow lmfao
1:34
1:34 when you're eating soft food and feel something crunch
underrated!
good fucking comment
From soft food
AYYY MEMESEEKER!!!
1:33 me when waitress says “have a good meal” and I accidentally say “you too”
i felt that
I accidentally did this with a flight once. I had to wait 2 hours because I was super early. I'm still dead inside.
I once accidentally said "You're welcome" instead of "thank you".
Y'know at some point that waitress is gonna eat a meal and when she does she's gonna know you wished her a good meal, so I see this as a win.
Absolutely stunlocked
"Lorian, the older and larger brother" is just the funniest thing to me, I know it makes sense in context but imagine if we referred to our irl siblings by their comparative sizes
I mean, my brother is also both the older and larger brother, and it makes sense for me to refer to him as such, because I'm 1,57m (5'2)'' and he's 2m (6'5")...
I've gotten a lot of comments from people who haven't played every game in the series but still watch the different videos, so I figured I should specify a physical characteristic to make it obvious which one was which for people who didn't already know.
Usually from books I've read they describe brothers and sisters in that regard, one being the younger "bolder" and another small and scrawny etc but we never really describe each other in person like that, mainly because we would feel like we are insulting each other
@@theonionsystem7779 I think in the case of books, it's to help us visualize the character. But such things usually aren't necessary in person, because we can see the differences for ourselves.
honestly, a lorian sized lothric while still being basically skeletal and only elongated is fuckign horrifying
That's basically how he is canonically. He's definitely shorter, but when you pay attention, he's way closer to Lorian's height than you might first expect. Definitely more than I first noticed fighting them.
@@mastermarkus5307 now that i look, yea his features are fucking long
he does have a considerably smaller frame compared to his brother though so he's lanky but not as wide
He's trying his best m8
@@OssaLuctus
His arms and hands are especially long and that creeped me out the most. Especially since he has a pretty normal face; his body is just weird. Maybe it's the dragon experimenting stuff his dad did.
@@mastermarkus5307 I think it's meant to be the curse that got split between them. The whole "one 'lost' his body, the other his mind" thing.
Daaaaaamn ! At the end we got the Twin Princes, but with a Twin Lothric...
So is that... a Twin Twin Princes ?
I'm seeing double here - four Lothrics!
@@23Scadu is that a reference to would be four kings? Just go ahead now?
aye! Da 80's guy!
Triplets but only 2 of them are conjoined
Just go ahead now
What I'm getting by watching all of your videos: From Soft really likes the idea of 2 separate npc's, but always ends up making them a single 1
I think the problem is that they would start to have severe bugs
I mean we see it on some single mobs
Another thing is that in this case lorian is dependant on lothric and making him seperate would mean that we can knock him off or kill him before the second phase
looks like it happened again with Radahn lol
It actually worked with the two bosses in dark souls, one at anor londo. I've been scratching my head on why they can't seem to make it work in the newer ones.
@@Darien2016What, Ornstien and Smough?
@@AubergineMans yup them lol
Classic fromsoft and not being able to have a mount and rider have seperate models/healthbars
Elden ring: allow me to introduce myself
To be fair it is a ton more work
perfect comment *Italian chef’s kiss*
@@candybetta4061 Depends on the engine, in Unreal it isn't but I don't think DS engine is even remotely close to being as polished
Most games have trouble making mounts.
Bethesda made a train using a helmet and an npc.
I love that FROM continues to struggle with paired models but finds these ingenious solutions for cheating them into existence. Great find!
That's software development in a nutshell, workarounds, smoke and mirrors, "we will fix it later", "I don't think anybody is going to try that.."
"You can ride here too, if you like"
I would love to ride on Lorian (his back I mean)
Almost looks like they removed a mechanic where you could seperate em by staggering
Probably removed it, given they wanted a two phase fight, and to make that feature work they'd have to buff up his health bar by ALOT since he usually dies way before being able to heal his homie anyways, and it'd be pretty taxing on the player at that point in the game (tho it is an end game boss, so maybe it was more for lore, cuz it'd be kinda weird if he had a bigger health bar then his larger and armored up friend)
What's better than this. Guys being dudes.
Just a couple of dudes rocking. Nothing weird
Lorian and Lothric, chilling in their bedroom, 5 feet apart cuz they're not gay.
Guys beating dudes
@@EzPzLemnSqueezy 5 feet apart cause they're LITERAL BROTHERS
Couple a' dudes bein' guys
The animations of Lothric crawling make me me think maybe at one point when they were separate NPCs there would have been possible to knock him off Lorian’s back. Either as part of the fight or an Easter egg if the player did XYZ
At the start of development their fight was much closer to how throne defender and throne guardian were.
It’s actually really interesting as we come up to the release of elden ring that they tried many times to make rideable npcs and finally succeeded with their newest game
To me it’s obvious that from really strives to innovate their games learning from past experiences and I can’t wait for elden ring to give me that sweet mountable goodness
I can't be the only one who misread that as "sweet mountable goddess".
its only after seeing all this recent mount stuff that come up and seeing Elden Ring that makes even more sense why they give us a horse. they get to show off a separate mountable NPC at all times!
unless of course its actually part of the player model at all times and the horse part is just hidden away.
we shall see once people start cracking that bad boy open to sift through the content.
Melina piggybacking the Tarnished confirmed?
Will they also succeed in spawning things after the room is loaded?
@@TheIcyLinders
It’s ok November has been rough on us all
i love my androgynous and disabled kings
OwO
Bonk
@@laureloneiros1500 **notices u have an ember** OwO what's this?
@@DankbeastPaul rise if you wood 7w7
Ngl, they are kinda cute.
personally felt they had one of the best themes in the game too.
Like, music-wise? Agreed, though they were one of my favourite parts of the game from several angles too, namely lore.
@@mastermarkus5307 yea I absolutely loved everything about lothric and lorian
Lorian and Lothric are incredibly underrated by the entire community and it's a shame. Such a cool boss, their lore, their fight and their ost are absolutely awesome
Yeah, I love the harpsichord.
Yesss
Zullie on a massive quest to find an actual double character /double npc. This is the most promising one so far, but is Zullie satisfied with the results?
Stay tuned.
I have to admit that the Souls fanbase are one of the most dedicated fans that i've ever seen. They keep searching for every detail in the game... That's truly impressive
I actually prefer the way they did it, with him on his back. I just like the visual of it, of the older brother carrying his disabled brother. It’s kinda sweet in a way.
“Try to catch me ridin’ dirty.”
- Lothric to Lorian, presumably
Immediately when I opened the video I was laughing. Perfect song choice for a really sinister and emotional boss duo
I think it would’ve been cool (but freaky) if once you killed Lorian, Lothric goes berserk and starts fighting you Orphan of Kos style but on all fours like some sorta rabid monster.
If Lothric had the speed of Orphan of Kos, I wonder how many players would shit themselves trying to handle his moves, lol. I love that DS3 has faster combat akin to Bloodborne, but there some bosses that I think are almost too fast for the game. Sister Friede being the main one with fighting a lot like Lady Maria.
@@SolaScientiaOceiros’ second phase comes into mind as well.
@@lethalethan07 Oceiros wasn't bad for me. He took me just 2 attempts. He's got moves similar to Vordt, Ludwig, and some other Soulsborne bosses that I'd fought before I got to him. The crystal breath is annoying, but he really wasn't too bad; definitely not too fast.
It's a pretty smart way of doing it. Getting two character models to interact just for animation purposes is hard enough, then trying to put one on top of the other and have them move together without the rigs completely clipping and exploding is near impossible. Making them one NPC/rig while adding a second hit box is pretty genius.
Seems like they've always been using weird roundabout ways of making interacting npcs work, and because sometimes the solution is to make 1 npc they end up creating new problems that need roundabout solutions. I'm guessing from what we've seen in Elden Ring they've went the mile of having their engineers code something specifically for handling two npcs that should be sync'ing animations/behavior at certain points. And no it's probably something completely separate from throws.
I love the DS comunity :D
We'll have to see once its out in pc to see if they're doing it properly yet. Still remember that prospect how theres gonna be million of npc below elden ring map lol
Nothing weird about it. Just a crippled bro helping out his crippled bro the only way he knows how.
Exactly.
Good lord Lothric is huge. Like I knew Lorian was giant but until I saw the full model of Lothric I didn't realize just how big he is.
I like to imagine that this music is what plays in the background when lothric and lorian are just chilling at their house.
I thought it was gonna be about Lothric's shtick grinding on Lorian's dumpy
Zullie finding all the "rider" type creations has been a trip. Just started DS1, actually, cuz of the great content here.
Just wish I could've gotten PTDE instead of the remaster.
You can probably get a steam key from a different website. Just not directly from steam
@@jonnyblade3234 you can, but they're like $160
If you know someone who has it you could maybe use their account to jank around on if it's ok with em
This just makes Lothric even cuter.
Lothric is so tired he couldn't be assed to animate both his cheeks
The fact that they're the same NPC combines well with the lore, if you read their soul item it says that their souls fusionated themselfs
Really goes to show how far From has come with Elden Ring. I'm excited to see what other mechanics they'll be able to fully flesh out in this game.
Twin Princes was one of my favorite bossfights in 3, so it's surprising to see that it's a little messy behind the scenes!
Ahh the classic example of schrodinger's mount. Thanks btw, this answered my question from last video perfectly.
Animating him to climb to his elder brother's back and stay there while also staying on accurately while the other one moves? I get the enormous challenge to the point of impossibility.
So what you're telling me is that there's a Lorian and Lothric model below the arena during the first phase of the bossfight?
Would be interesting to see what makes the "take the plunge, you won't die" work and why you occasionally see someone still die from the fall somehow.
Probably marking a spot that negates any fall damage and it either sometimes doesn’t work or the person lands in the wrong spot. I’ve seen a couple instances in the Ringed City DLC where that first fall led to deaths cause they landed away from the circle they were meant to land ln
Yeah it happend to me, i landed right next to the circle on a tiny piece of wood
If my offhand comment about Lothric riding Lorian lead to this video then I'm proud of that XD
I guess this is what they made before they realized having one character riding another wasn't feasible at the time. Damn these insights are so cool. Thanks Zullie!
I'm always amazed by how cool the FromSoft cut content or just unused stuff is, makes me wonder on what was their purpose and what was the game like in early development. I really appreciate all the digging you do to show us these little treasures.
Technically this one isn't cut or unused lol.
@@exu7325 yeah but, you know we don't see it and i don't think it was known before zullie found it. you are right tho xd
One thing I've been a bit curious about, how does Sen's fortress work when it comes to the rolling boulders? How does it determine when to rotate paths?
Those rolling boulders make no sense, they shouldn't return to the original position
@@yuturtuyieie5544 It's seemed to me that there's a specific spot that triggers that rotation when the player moves through it. Just from listening to the sound cues. It'd be easier to accept if there was a visible pressure plate that could be avoided, like with the dart traps.
Pretty sure one of the Sen (snake men) rotate the position of the lever depending on if the player runs through a certain area. I could be wrong
@@jalcomics I'm pretty sure I managed to run up fast enough once and the lever just rotates itself
Apparently, the direction of the boulders change when you step on certain dart trap pressure pads.
Just bros being bros, nothing weird about it
Gotta love to see the way they made things work. Can't wait to see how they overcome some stuff with Elden Ring.
Lothric: it’s going to get weird, I’m going to make this weird
This is kind of the penultimate example of the "from soft has been struggling to create mounted NPC's" arc zullie has been focusing on. They actually made a mounted npc, but rather than synch the animations, they just made him invisible and then created a model with an illusory clone that wouldn't look so strange
I wonder how much content this inspired. I'm super hype to see zullie data mine through elden ring now
As a game dev student, I must thank you for your work, it's helping me a lot to understand how big companies like From Software build their games and I learned a lot of tricks watching your videos so thank you!
1:33 when you're just chilling in bed, but then you remember than one awkward thing you did years ago
it's really hard to make two seperate character models interact without it looking goofy or running into a toooon of cliping issues esspecially in something like a soulsbornering video game with a lot of fast movements and overlaping animation systems. this was likely done to make the fight look less goofy at what probably was a pretty tight deadline by the end of production
It's notoriously difficult to make it look like two models are _actually_ interacting in a believable way and the idea of getting them to do that properly in-engine on the fly as two npcs acting as essentially one npc is kind of... dumb, honestly, so I imagine someone at From was eventually just like "Why are we even trying to do this with two NPCs at all? Why not just give one NPC two separate hit boxes that relate to two separate health bars??" And thus they did that.
Ahh, this goes some way to explain why you can land a free-aim headshot on Lothric from the front, but it always registers the damage to Lorian. It's the same model and the only valid hitbox for Lothric is in the back despite where his "part" of the model displays.
Are we going to explore all of the "thing riding another thing" instances throughout the series? It feels appropriate given Elden Ring's approach.
There’s no way to make this not weird. He is in fact giving his brother a reach around.
This is so awesome; I've always wondered what that extra hidden NPC was doing there. I'd usually come across it when scrolling through the game's debug menu.
Hey Zullie, it looks like your channel has really blown up recently, is that the case? You're the only channel I have notifications turned on for and even when I look immediately you have hundreds of comments and several k views. Keep up the good work
Yep, it has. It's good that the algorithm seems to be suggesting Zullie's work even though the videos are short. I'm sure each one requires a ton of work though to put in the research as well as the editing. It's impressive how frequent they are!
@@porkstamina The algorithm loves short videos now.
@@Candlemancer Yeah that tracks, given that they're pushing Shorts so much.
Hey potato did you really think you would get answered? Is that the case? Lmao beat it boy
I like this contrast of these at times cursed animations and the calm/ upbeat BGM.
Makes this fight kinda weird, knowing that you try to attack Lothric himself, but actually you are beating up an invisible copy.
Making two NPCs interact in animation is a MAJOR pain in the a$$. Trust me. Even NPC interacting with static object is a large can of worms. Added me a couple of grey hairs.
Only a workflow king knows when to abandon the jank
You know it is going to be a good video when Zullie bust out the skyward sword ost
I love when you use this song, it feel so cute and curious lol
The best unused content is always the stuff that's still used but not how it was going to be.
Why does Knight Academy work so damn well with these two...
Hey don't call Lothric an object! he has feelings too
"Man, that's a nice Lothric asset"
"Stop objectifying my body"
Assigned tool at zulliethewitch
Just a hole sir
Lothric riding Lothric riding Lorian.
The Twin Princest thickens.
In my experience in game development trying to make two NPCs closely interact with each other like this is hell and just asking for trouble
I genuinely had to pause at 0:40 just to… even process how interesting that is
1:05 omg he has little fangies
I'm to this day wishing that Prod had never mentioned the notion of a Lothric-themed backpack, because I still want one.
Talking about back packs. Wasn't there that one ring in ds2 that spawns something hugging you?
Next plot twist is that Ornstein and Smough are actually just one NPC
Zullie truly is a witch, but the good kind who grant us peasants knowledge and insight about things that we are not able to figure out our own
Now that I think of, that second Lothric is very reminiscent of the albinaurics
It's kind of amazing that this much of the prototyping survived into the final product
All I learned from this is that Lothric has modeled feet, and that's all I needed to know.
Thank you, Zullie.
Lothric's invisible demon be like:
I always imagined Lorain was kind of some mindless husk but he helps Lothric get on his back using his hand and that’s pretty cool
"Lothric. I can't concentrate on fighting with your sword hitting my back. Put it in the scabbard."
"Sorry dear brother, i'll put it away..."
"Good... oh, now there's some sticky liquid dripping under my backplate. Did you drop your estus again Lothric?"
"Yes, i'm sorry again... the Estus... some dropped from the flask."
Lorian knows Lothric can't hide a sword on his person. He _knows_ .
"My brother, unyielding sword of Lothric's Prince... _Rise, if you would..."_
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"Ehm... have you noticed only his d*ck is rising?"
"I know what i'm doing Ashen one"
imagine people invested this much work and time in things that actually matter
"That sure is a sturdy door"
Shoutouts to all the residents of the Happy Hob Hotel lmao.
You know, early back in 2016 when the game released a lot of people called these two "The Incest Twins"
I guess Lothric is localized in the ancient realm of Alabama.
I prefer Tyrannicon's name for them, 'the cheating Emo's'. God I hated that teleporting git and his crippled dishrag of a brother
There are plenty of much more high-class examples of incest; see most royalty through most of human history. Though it was usually of the "pure bloodline" type than the " _REALLY_ take care of your brother" type.
@@mastermarkus5307 True, not so much between brothers though, the whole gay thing didn't fly too well with the church
" -Is it unused content?"
" -Well, yes, but actually no"
My guess was that originally players could blow Lothric off of Lorian if they hit him hard enough but FromSoft changed their minds, probably because Lothric seemed defenseless on his own and Lorian would lose his stage two capabilities.
This is so cool. Brothers dynamic always reminded me a lot of Karamon and Raistlin from Dragonlance, but now even more, with second Lothric looking so vulnerable.
Lothric is very polite
Animating two characters against each other is tough.
From an animation perspective it makes perfect sense. It's much easier to animate on single object than it is on two separate objects. Mesh overlap, objects snapping into place for combined animations, etc. It would not be fun to work out for sure.
Dummy Lothric model crawls into a bar. The bartender asks "why the long face?"
That second invisible Lothric must be Ocelotte from the future
Since you can show off the models and manipulate their rig, can you also rip the models from the game to turn them into 3d printable files?
Yes
Lothric amiibo when
1:03
Ah yes, the third brother... Lothric 2: Electric Boogaloo
It's weird how many things they almost had finished and just abandoned
That choice of music is spot on again. Look at them cuddle
I wonder what sort of wacky unused content we'll find in Elden Ring
1:33 That's what EMOTIONAL DAMAGE looks like.
I was not ready for rapid fire flesh hit sounds
The model for the skeleton rig had me convinced that the unused npc was a tiny pair of dino legs from Izalith. And now I'm sad that it isn't.
i rly like how they keep working on ideas they have in older games, and try and try again to get it to work until finally get something out of it. is rly neat to see that kind of progress, kinda....
Kinda? KINDA
As a great man once said
incest is Wincest