"So my approach or play style was to use everything I have at my disposal, all the assistance, every scrap of aid that the game offers, and also all the knowledge that I have as the architect of the game… the freedom and open-world nature of Elden Ring perhaps lowered the barrier to entry, and I might be the one who's benefiting the most from that, as a player, more than anyone else." -Miyazaki
Exactly, I think this quote says everything that needs to be said. It also clearly proves that the opinion that ANY way to play these games could be considered "wrong" is completely just some made up, circle-jerking spawn of probably some niche reddit community of insecure neckbeards - these people are not to be listened to or treated with any validity or respect.
There is also this other side that shits on you if you dont utilize all the mechanics of the game. E.g I dont like playing with summons, using consumables, or levelling vigor to tank bosses because that gameplay is not as engaging to me. I just like simple and clean sword fights like sekiro. But whenever someone sees that, they call me stupid, saying I'm trying to be an elitest making things harder for myself for no reason. Like jeez, I play these games to have fun, not to quickly finish them to brag about it.
@@askeladden450 It is also not true, that those things make the game easier necessarily. I suck at the game and pretty much have to use the Miyazaki strategy a lot of times but all in all, I try to do it straightforwardly. And, in the end, I found it is not just more engaging and rewarding. It is also easier to not cycle through consumables for example. Ranged attacks do not work on highly mobile bosses. Which includes many consumables (assuming they even work on a boss in the first place). Ranged combat can work well with summons. However, using summons makes many bosses harder to fight in melee. Timing your (melee) attacks is hard if not impossible with a summon drawing the attention away from the boss. A boss can cut through a big health bar easily if you suck at dodging. Maybe in 3 attacks instead of 1 but not needing to dodge will just end up in you not learning how to. It will not prevent you from getting staggered for example. Good armor will prevent you from getting staggered when eating attacks but you will also not get that attack window that a successful dodge gives you. Etc, etc.
Souls community has two sides. First one contains people who genuinely enjoy the game and welcome all type of other players with different backgrounds and not hesitate to bring up negatives; while the second one contains basement dwellers who thinks being a veteran for a video game is a social status.
Yeah, exactly; FightinCowboy's thinks he's a veteran and thus earns a social status himself. In all seriousness, well yeah, I thought there's worth in these people, uploading themselves being new to the game and being ecstatic when they've defeated Taurus Demon after failing a few times, that was wholesome. I kind of miss these simpler times.
@@Hojijhi >Souls Fan >God God of what? Inceldom, mediocrity and Masochism? Ok, Loser. Mate, if you unironically think something as piss easy as a Souls game is akin to swiming then you should probs do something about your disability.
@@Hojijhi PTSD? Like when Your pussy swordsmong after getting porked by Donovan and after he got Cucked by the actual Chad? Nah, PTSD yourself, pleb. >Waaaaah You got filtered Ah, so that's why you are malding. You couldn't get past Assylum then, you couldn't get past Tree Sentinel now and all you are doing is projecting. Ma'am, you are simply pathetic.
The community was primarily the reason why I held off on playing souls games until today when I bought elden ring. Had people in high school talk about video games, and only ever ended up bringing the souls series into the conversation, and how they would say "You aren't a true gamer until you've played or beaten DS" or whatever. I think the souls games have really gotten to people's ego, especially if they haven't touched grass in 7 years
Elden Ring isn't a "souls game", it's not a sequel, a prequel, a midquel, a spin-off, nor is it even in the same universe, nor is Dark Souls even an open-world game, so no, you have yet to play Dark Souls. Not that I share the opinion of the people at your high school, but I think it's hilarious how insecure you are about not having played some videogame, so just letting you know, that to those people you are *still* not a "true gamer".
You have to remember that 95% of Elden Ring's playerbase have only ever played Elden Ring. It's not their fault that they're retarded, cut them some slack lmao
I’m very new to the series, so I was stunned when I learned how toxic this community really is. First playing through Dark Souls I wasn’t having a fun time at all, and I asked the sub Reddit, respectfully, is this just a me problem or do most people have the same issue when they first pick up a souls game. I was not ready for the level of hate I was about to receive because I wasn’t enjoying the game to that point. I was shocked at how unhelpful and defensive those people are. I beat the game anyway and I’m on to playing other souls games but damn I hate the community with a passion and wish they would stop being little babies
from someone who's first souls game was darksouls 3, yes it is that hard for most people when picking up a game like it for the first time, i spent hours on the first boss alone
I also started with elden ring and got better, i come from the cod community and I didnt think the souls community could be this toxic but damn I was so wrong
I really hate that every discussion about the quality of anything in these games immediately changes to a discussion about the difficulty. That’s how OBSESSED with it the community is: you can’t criticize any aspects of the game or else you’re just bad, unless you call certain parts too easy. It just completely shuts out any criticism or interesting discussion because all anyone cares about is if it’s hard or not, not if it’s GOOD or not. For instance, I love Sekiro but hate Dark Souls. I consider Sekiro the harder game and also enjoy it more by a mile but I really do not like playing DS because I think the controls are absolutely terrible. But nope, I’m not allowed to criticize anything about these games, I’m just bad (completely ignoring that I’ve beaten both games and have completed Sekiro without dying)! It’s such bullshit.
It's crazy, they have never changed. I made a reddit post years and years ago when I first played ds1 essentially doing the same thing. Asked for some tips as a noob and criticised some things (which I still think are bad even after playing all the games multiple times) and was met with nothing but hate and defensiveness. It's not even worth interacting with the community outside of youtube because they are all so angry at the world.
That's the part that sucks, some parts of the community is actually awesome and is so much fun to find out about each other's experiences but you will inevitably came across that one guy that loves ruining everything
@@Neon_Henchman It is easy to blame it on those "git gud" scrubs. I bet those idiots never even beaten a really challenging game for themselves without googling shit or looking anything up on youtube. But looking down on others? Man. I played games before the internet was fully functioning. The fuck are you talking about?
@@TJuice1986Plat chaser does everything you need to get the plat, he will skip and leave behind stuff if it doesn’t contribute to the plat. while cowboy is just a walkthrough of helping people get through the game and get almost everything.
Yeah the souls community has some real elitist goblins. I've seen them flooding 5 year old horizon zero dawn clips that previously had like 200 views and rave in the comments about how elden ring is better. Thats just the most current example of how toxic they are, not even the fact that they're seeking out the videos, but ITS THE WRONG GAME 🤣
I played the game how it meant to be played and destroyed Melanie multiple times, called her the most overrated “hardest Souls boss ever”. And people are like, “you’re playing a broken build, you’re using summons”🤓 Like 🐩 they give me all these tools unlike the rest of the souls games, it’s not cheating to use the things the games provide you 💯
For me, playing as a mage is harder. You get locked into attacks that refuse to hit moving targets, have a limited amount of mana which can only be refilled by your flasks that can either heal you or refill the blue bar. The attacks don't do any massive damage over time like bleed, rot or ice so you have to spec into int for real damage and that usually involves you having lower defensive stats. Even endgame, being a mage is a challenge just as much as anything else.
People completely miss this point and thinks mages are the only OP playstyle in the game cause they see some comet azur on reddit/youtube vs bosses on first try. The truth is, that "kill" probably, multiple tries.
If anything, mage builds are the ones that demand good positioning and timing your attacks and overall strategizing the most, because for eg: while malenia WILL dodge most straight projectile spells, she won't be able to dodge the comet spells because they are semi invisible.
This is how I see it for most souls games: Mage builds make some parts easier and some parts a lot harder Melee builds make some parts easier and some parts a lot harder Hybrid builds make most things normal
Personally I'm more of a pure strength enjoyer, but unless your using the pre-nerf comet azur setup being a mage is absolutely harder. It's as you said, way less health and defensive stats, you can't really use good armour, and you have to sacrifice heals. Being a pure strength build is so much easier. Dual wielding two colossal greatswords that do 2.5k per jump attack with a hp and endurance bar filling your whole screen + flasks that you can keep exclusively for healing and ignore mana. And also dodging is way easier, you don't get locked in place for nearly as long with melee builds.
Totally agree with cowboy here in the terms of gameplay, play how you want, wear what you want, having someone dictate your playstyle just isnt right unless its constructive feedback as it provides you options, a choice to your characters progression. It doesnt give you the right to be arrogant towards somone not running a broken meta build.
@@ih8theleft"I finally found something that I've convinced myself im "good" at through an arbitrary series of delieations and made up requirements about what you need to do to be considered "good"" In reality, 95% of those players that think they're in the top 10% are probably closer to the bottom 50%.
@@Ruffington_Roast That's not even relevant. There are problems with modern gaming, BUT there were crap and mid games in the past as well. We just don't remember them as well.
@@Mr33500 You pointed out why your point is irrelevant. Secondly, how many of those games a decade ago were pushing identity politics and treating every game like a lefty struggle session?
I'd never do that. That's like someone telling you their dream and laughing at them. It's no different than laughing at you. A bunch of disrespectful twats whose parents forgot to whip with branches. Then it goes the other way. I tried to give genuine advice if I pair with a host whose struggling. I don't even tell them to swap stuff I've told people they can jump Horah Loux/Godfrey stomps and they've gotten pissy with me. I've had people where I offered to shield tank to help them with aggro, they still got pissy with me. I'm a co-op enjoyer who gave up on PVP due to a lack of fun hosts. At this point I'm just about done helping.
Yes. Well put, actually. I think this happens a lot, where newer players are sharing their experiences with excitement and they're happy to be experiencing this thing that everyone has been raving about all this time... and then instead of being welcomed into the community as they'd have assumed would happen, the people they were kind of looking up to as mentors of the franchise just clap back at them out of nowhere to ridicule and mock them for the choices they made while playing. I hate it. I'm also convinced it's a group almost entirely composed of 7-16yr old boys with low self worth and high insecurity, and then there's a gap of 17-25yr old males who don't play (it's a fact look it up there's never been a single person of those ages that played these games and never will) and then it starts up again with like, 26+ yr old people who clearly live alone and are just insufferable, arrogant and shockingly immature.
@@KitsGravityit's the worst community in gaming Imo. You can't criticise boss design etc . Or that we are playing against more and more anime stuff while still using demons souls combat
Still relevant today, especially dlc. It’s crazy watching some streams of people playing any Souls game and there’s always someone in chat that is complaining on the streamer’s gameplay. I genuinely don’t understand it, especially when it’s someone who is playing blind and has never played a souls game. It’s their first time, why are you bitching in chat on someone’s first experience?!
It's undoubtedly because they are using one of the 5 streamer weapons that other chatters pressured him into getting and using. That made new player streams completely unwatchable for me since 99% have carbon copy setups that I've seen countless times. Sad part is most setups can be op but the neanderthals in chat just dont let people play organically and must have the streamer play bloodhound fang, greatsword lions claw, moonveil etc.
My best friend had never played dark souls, i got him to play ds1 for the first time. He barely leveled dmg stats and mostly leveled vigor and endurance. He still beat the game with a plus 15 broadsword tank build. If souls elitists were to see how my friend played, they would have probably lost their mind. The point of a soulsborne games for me is figurine out with your own way how to beat the game, not how others tell you.
my friend is playing DS1 for the first time with a black knight halberd and we killed O&S in about 60 seconds (with summon hp boost) honestly I felt bad for him that his sense accomplishment was robbed. he was just like "is that it". I'm not trying to be an elitist but he honestly doesn't sound like he's having fun with the game by breezing through it with no effort. wouldn't overcoming an insurmountable challenge be more rewarding?
@@Alistair_7609 There’s nothing wrong with summoning, though for O&S in particular I think it’s a lot more fun to have the 2V1 experience. Even with an OP Weapon and O&S having less heath it’s still very possible to die since you could get cornered or 2nd phase Ornstein can give new players a lot of trouble. For the most part though I think the fun of DS1 is exploring the world and navigating the areas, it’s one of the reasons why DS1 is my favourite. But if your friend wants some tough bosses, or at the very least tough endgame bosses then maybe they’d enjoy DS3 or Elden Ring more if they haven’t played it already. Alternatively there’s trying DS1 with different builds or playing NG+ with what they’re currently using. The Black Knight Weapons are always very good but they don’t tower over standard weapons by that point.
@lukefitton7329 that's the thing, he played every other souls game with normal, average builds, just saw a cool looking weapon, and started using it. dark souls 3 is his favorite game of all time, which is why I think using the op option just harms the user experience more than helps it.
Its funny how people consider mages easy mode. I’m doing a mage build on NG+ 3 after a respecc and bosses like Morgott/Hoaroaxh Loux and DLC bossess etc spank my shit when I try to get a spell going. Mages without summons using timing and spacing to cast a spell that can actually take a chunk of boss health is a struggle in itself. Oddly enough the easiest playthrough I had was the unga bunga stagger strength build because I could tank damage, get staggers etc.
The reason for the community's elitism is a combination of two things. The first is the industry, which ignorantly pushes Souls games as the new status quo for what makes a game challenging. The second is the influx of players into the community over the past few years who play or acknowledge so few video games that they don't realise how many other games, old and new, demand more from the player than any Souls game.
The most prominent divide I've seen in the Souls community is between cooperators and invaders. It's astounding the amount of distain they have for each other
I am admittedly VERY anti invader but it's because most of the invaders I've had have been assholes that camp RIGHT BEFORE BOSS AREAS and then instantly kill me because I'm not good at the PvP. I wish it was an opt-out system tbh. Just let me have fun, enjoy the silly messages, and summon Solaire without camping and assaulting me before I've even beaten the gargoyles. I always get the guys that like to pick on new characters and players. The sweaty try hards make the game REALLY unfun.
@@HollyAnneThePaganChaosWitch There IS an opt out system. In DS3 invaders only come if you are embered. You can either choose not to be embered, or jump off a cliff if you want to remove the embered state, go back and collect the souls. In Elden Ring, you can turn off your multiplayer in settings.
@@rationalrama but that isn't really an option when playing DSR which is the one I'm currently playing. Also, why can't it be a toggle switch in the options menu for earlier games? It'd probably save plenty of invaders a lot of time if someone who's going to disconnect or jump off of a cliff anyway turns it off. Then they'd only get people who _want_ to PvP them. Now, I have yet to play Elden Ring but I'm pretty invested in how it handles its PvP because it sounds way better than the way DSR handles it. I always play alone in RPGs but I love seeing those little funny messages and hearing the bells go off for another player but when invaders hassle my new characters in the Burg or Parish (or Anor Londo tbh) I get frustrated. So, being able to be online without inviting invaders (or looking like a piece of beef jerky the whole time) sounds kinda nice to me.
@@HollyAnneThePaganChaosWitch Is it not possible to play DS Remastered offline? Idk but I am sure those few messages that you might want to read on the ground aren't worth it if you dislikes invasions so much. :(
@@rationalrama you'd be surprised at how worth it they can be but yeah it is a hassle to manage. I find the experience worth it most of the time. I love hearing the bells and saluting my fellow undead for their achievements and getting the funny messages after a really hard area (I'm thinking of all the ones in Anor Londo). I usually just stay hallowed and go offline when I want to summon Solaire for a boss fight. Part of the issue comes down to when the vast majority of invasions happen in DRS becuase it's normally people twinking. Especially in the Burg and Parish but also Anor Londo. This community has a lot of bullies in it who get off real hard on making potentially new players quit the game entirely. Makes it hard for me to get my friends into the games despite how good they are. :/
I'm 100% with him on this. It's the biggest problem with these games and I can imagine it's why there are so many people who are deterred from playing it because they know they're going to be ridiculed for the way they play or they'll feel like they're playing the game wrong which results in them getting even more frustrated with the game. In the end, it's a game. Play it the way you feel most comfortable and is most fun for you. Whether it's running around smacking things in nothing but a loincloth and a pot on your head or it's being decked out with the best armor slinging magic everywhere. Just play the game, have fun, and don't be a prick. It's not a hard thing to do and it's not asking for a lot.
I never play mages in these games but it's because if how I like to play. I'll personally admit that having to constantly keep distance from enemies is a skill all on it's own that I don't have.
Back in the day before the souls games went super mainstream it was socially acceptable to criticize them. People criticized the hell out of Dark Souls 2 back in the day and no one gave anyone shit for it. Now you cant even say Dark Souls 2 was bad without Fromsoft fanboys losing their goddamn minds
Imagine being an elitist in a game where the entire combat mechanics is pressing circle at the right time lol Play Ninja Gaiden Black at Master Ninja Difficulty and these souls scrubs will realize what difficulty is actually like.
@@randychristensen1028 My man, it's the whole Fromsoft "hard" games. In Sekiro you just press different button, still the facking same "press the button in time" shit.
Making the most OP melee build is my way to play. Around the time when I was new to Elden Ring, I saw comments that were like, "If you start with X build, you're not a true player." Like, why do you care what this person chooses. I'd use some of the most OP magic + melee builds, with a mimic summon to cheese the bosses.
Souls games are puzzles, these puzzles have more than one solution. Each solution has varying levels of difficulty. Finding an easier solution doesn't make you worse than others.
It's always the guys who use meta builds who shit on guys who use summons, moonveil, etc etc. Like, if you use anything besides powerstance uchigatanas, you're big trash.
I am so happy that one of my favorite Souls youtubers have said this. It's also one of the reasons why I hated Dark Souls 3 for the longest time. I'm so glad Sekiro was the way it was and the balancing Elden Ring had when it first released. It was like a big F U to the elitists and souls community. So satisfying.
@@Hojijhi Some of the content in Elden Ring is bad. 😂 Most of the boss fights are poorly designed, most of the bosses are just reskins, the combat isn't that great (especially compared to Bloodborne and Sekiro), there's players who think the map is too big, the whole thing is not as good as they say. It's a good game, but definitely not GOTY.
@user-vv8iu8vh8c Get triggered harder you legbeard fruitcake. Your salt is delectable. ;) Griffith did Nothing Wrong. Well, Except for Hiring a loser like Guts.
It's true that every stat has OP options, doesn't mean that every weapon is OP. In fact most "OP" weapons are only strong when you use their Ash of War, like Moonveil, RoB or Blasphemous Blade.
Honestly I've been playing these games for a decade, and the way ER shifted the discussion around them is sort of weird. FS fans have always been annoying but ER brought in a much wider scope of people. In one camp, some of them tend to mimic the older annoying attitude of FS fans in an exaggerated and flanderized way, removed from the original irony. On top of that, you have people who are more casual but have bitten from the "oh my god these games are so hard" mentality. They clear a boss with level 200 magic beam spell and say oh my god this game is actually not hard at all, (they're not wrong). Where this turned into two camps shitting on each other was with more experienced players talking shop about boss design, and newer players proudly bragging about how they oneshot x boss with magic fuckbeam. This originally used to be an ironic joke, which instead became an earnest point of conversation over the game. Even worse, it's a totally useless and unconstructive way to talk about boss mechanics. There's nothing wrong with avoiding mechanics to reach new content but it adds absolutely nothing to a conversation centered around how those mechanics actually work. From my point of view, it's even more annoying to hear somebody smugly brag about how all you need to do is just not engage with a mechanic at all, when other people are trying to discuss how the mechanic actually works. It's like yes, we all remember playing DS1 and running away from the Asylum Demon but you're not actually contributing to the conversation, and it's also genuinely kind of annoying.
I agree that the conversation has shifted and become more polarised. I find it annoying when people act like we can't nitpick aspects of the game like how much time you're forced to spend not doing anything engaging riding around on the horse. Or the topic of whether or not the soulslike formula is played out and whether or not new mechanics or a new direction is necessary in future titles. So many people either abjectly hate the game or blindly worship it. It's strange how few nuanced opinions there are.
At the end it's a video game it's not meant to be taking too seriously I'm not a fan of souls games I'm more into fps games i love the fps community alot because we have fun without shaming people for playing in their own styles
The gatekeeping and elitism by fanboys is all on the internet. They would never dare speak this way irl since it would expose their face to being punched.
lol they are the worst fanbase in gaming and it’s not even close. And yeah there’s better games out there like ghost of tsushima and baldur's gate 3. These souls dorks treat their games like the second coming of Christ.
Ive said this since my first experience with the souls community back when BB came out. 80% of this community are incels who desperately require validation from software that was programmed for them to be able to beat it. The other 20% are people who just want to enjoy the game how they want but the 80% is soooo insanely objectively toxic. TLDR: be a big boy/girl and form your own thoughts.
Dont miss contennt because of gatekeepers. Magic is fun. Incantation is fun. Watching my summon destroy a camp is fun. Play the game how you want it. Once u beat it, then go ahead do ur "limited run".
The thing is, people have been giving themselves self imposed challenges in gaming since FOREVER. Look up Quake or Doom speedrunning. No death challenges. It's sad really that people act like this.
About the "magic is easy mode" bit. Yes it is. It's naturally easier to keep your distance from a boss while spamming projectiles. I know it because after dying so many times to Malenia's first phase while using a melee build, I first tried it spamming projectiles. Bleed builds are very good, but you have to expose yourself more. This is OBVIOUS. It shouldn't even be a debate. You can play however you want, but do not try to gaslight people into believing projectile builds are equally harder because that's simply not true. This modern youtubers who try at every cost to virtue signal are embarassing. "Look at me, I'm sooo tolerant. I am the protector of newcomers, now worship me 🥰🥰"
you're completely misrepresenting the points hes making. all hes saying about the people whining about magic is easy mode are ignoring the fact that other setups, although not 100% equally as easy, can still make fights so much easier than they are. i told my friend to use rivers prepatch on malenia after using a weaker weapon, and it was night and day for him. all the stress and malding he was doing, ended with "well that was easy". point im making is, what cowboy was saying is you can sit there and argue about what is the absolute easiest and have a stupid pissing contest or actually acknowledge the multitudes of setups that ISNT magic that can just make things trivial. also not once did he say magic builds are "equally harder". the entire crux of this argument is why tf does it matter so much to others how people play in single player non completive modes. in the end its not even about virtue signalling, its about being annoyed as fuck about insufferable elitists. the funny part about alot of those pve elitists too is they pigeon hole themselves to strength unga bunga builds and have zero game iq and most likely trash at pvp too.
let me play devils advocate my friend played through ds3 and bloodborne multiple times with average melee builds and he considers them two of his favourite games of all time. recently he played ds1 for the first time and decided to use the black knight weapons after hearing how good they were. we killed O&S in roughly 60 seconds and he was utterly disappointed with his experience with the game and dropped it shortly after. I'm not trying to gatekeep or be an elitist. I love this series and think everyone should try it, but having seen how removing the challenge strips away such a significant part of the experience, I cant help but think people are doing themselves a disservice by using the "easy mode" builds. obviously everyone has a different skill level but I think everyone should try to challenge themselves or the whole point of the series becomes wasted.
That is, unironically, the smartest comment on here yet. You're 100% correct. Me too, I've enjoyed these games best when I just "winged it", going at my own pace. In fact, I will never forget this experience; DS2's Smelter Demon in the Iron Keep kept demolishing me, to the point that he taught me how to Roll correctly, but I still needed a bit more of an edge, so I looked into my Inventory, and found out I have the Gyrm Greatshield, which completely nullifies Fire Damage. Then, I was able to crush him with a very sizeable amount of health left. Just this one fight means a lot to me, in fact it's my favorite fight in all the Souls I've played so far, it rewarded me being resourceful with what I have, and it gave me the proper timing for Rolls too. When all these people care about are big numbers, instead of something that simply works for them or let alone experimenting with things, it just strips away a lot of the magic the games have. Your comment was a very good read.
Exactly this I know I'm late to this but me and my friends still approach the game like this because it's more enjoyable for us. I think it's ironic because you are easily labeled as an elitist if you voice this opinion and it seems the toxicity towards these elitists is just as bad if not worse at times.
@@seide2829 yeah I don't know when this happened but everywhere I look, voicing concern on someone else's behalf is viewed as being a prick. what most people mean by "you shouldn't use this build because its too easy" is "if you do this, you will damage your own first experience with the game". its too bad we live in an age where people are so defensive that giving someone a piece of genuine good intended advice, is seen as a personal attack on their existence.
@@seide2829 It really doesn't help they act this way, as; Why do the "Elitists" act toxic to begin with? Well maybe the animosity stems from somewhere else, hate just brews more hate. Besides, they cannot explain what their "Easy Mode" would entail, you know how they keep advocating for it while using their "parental responsibilities" as an excuse, among others? Well I asked them how they would make Anor Londo easier, by adding not only it seldomly uses enemies, so removing people would make the area empty, but even with damage reduction, it doesn't prevent the infamous Silver Knight Archer to push you off the edge, you'd still die as many times to the void. They have yet to give me good arguments on my points on why Dark Souls CAN'T have an Easy Mode, I didn't say "shouldn't".
You bought the game, play it how you want But ffs people try to brag about beating a boss first try after using mimic tear, dual great stars bleed life steal build to a rl1 player after sitting in mohgwyn palace for 2 days Its fine to use anything, but these people rating bosses or saying something is easy is instantly invalid and adds nothing of value to the conversation
I mean wtf?? You do you assume the normal way to play the game is a fucking challenge run?? I 100% DOUBT that when people tell you "oh I think the God of War fight with the first Valkyrie was hard" that you expect that the person is talking about fighting the boss without any items, or any powerups or without using specific skills. You ABSOLUTELY assume they are using everything the game let's you use Why the flying fuck people think differently ONLY when it's a Fromsoftware game?? It's the dumbest shit ever. I am absolutely sure the same is not how people behave when others games are considered. It's actually brain-dead
@@Legnica148 You are actually brain dead one if think a story game like god of war is the same as souls likes. It was always a game about challenge, the theme and the game is about a lowly tarnished overcoming the impossible Many people like to bring up that Miyazaki said he uses mimic tear, but you forget that he said that he is using it because he said he is bad at the game. For some reasons every er player has a huge ego despite using the most optimal shit in the game. I sl1d er but I wouldnt consider myself good, everyone can do it, all games are made to be beaten. All Im saying is that yes, you beat the game, you beat all bosses, but you dont know the bossfight if you spammed malenia to death with cheese tactics. The problem is that these people brag and complain all the time about movesets they dont understand, hit and hurtboxes, while they dont even know whats the difference between a hitbox hurtbox or pushbox, hyper armor and poise, stagger or stance break
@@Legnica148and its the same with monster hunter, devil may cry, metal gear rising, all fighting game characters and even stealth archery in skyrim is the boring way of playing the game Even in mario the tanuky suit is a feature made for people who cant play the game normaly
To be fair, don't know why bosses need to be nerfed. Unless there's some truly crazy stuff going on they should just keep them as designed. Don't know exactly what was going on with Radahn in DLC according to players but I don't feel it was warranted.
At this point, anything FromSoft is tainted. A unique company that still produces dark fantasy, something rare nowadays, and its tainted. The community will attack you over any little thing and content creators act very hypocritical and with immense cognitive dissonance when they bring FromSoft up. I'm really tired of FromSoft. Souls games are not even the best action RPGs on the market. Or hard. They're not even that hard, especially with how many broken options you can use.
I'm curious as to what action RPGs you think are "better." Also yeah, I've heard bad things about the souls community. I just refuse to engage or interact with ANY gaming community for the most part outside of smaller circles (such as with friends) or the occasional response to a comment like this. It's just not worth the headache
I actually really enjoyed my playthrough as a wizard. I didn't find it easier than melee builds overall, some bosses were actually nearly impossible without summons to buy some casting time.
From a Bloodborne snob myself I have stayed away from Elden Ring for alot of what you just said of peoples opinions on META META META. I hate meta build #'s and a pocket of the Soulsborne tryhard content community. Havent touched it still
And its all because people love to title this game as "difficult" lmao its a game. You do the same shit as every other game die➡️ repeat ➡️ learn ➡️ get better ➡️ win
I joined Dark Souls with 3 in around 2019, 2020 or so. My end builds have always been High Vigor/Vitality Heavy armor Strength builds. I love these games, a lot, Dark Souls II being my favourite. I joined the souls community right before the "You arent playing the game correctly" purge that Elden Ring brought. Sure, it was there beforehand, but not nearly as bad. My first and only response to the people who regurgitate this garbage is that if its in the game, and you want to use it, use it. These games are in my mind, action puzzle games. Each boss and area is a puzzle, and with enough time they can be overcome, it is sinply choosing the answer that is easiest or the most fun for you to do, sometimes challenging yourself. Using the tools in game to beat the game is not "Playing the Game Wrong." as these people claim, its playing the game in your own way. Pay no mind to anyone who says anything about playing the game wrong, they don't like the fact that these are fun and challenging games that encourage you to solve their "puzzles" with the tools they give you, they like the fact that the games are seen as hard, and want to stroke their egos by telling themselves and others that they're playing the "Right" way.
I like cowboy but some gatekeeping isn't bad. It helps to keep the spirit of the game alive. Also, mages are easy mode but there is other builds that are as well.
Bro even Miyazaki himself is bad at HIS OWN game yet he still ENCOURAGES PLAYER TO USE ALL THE TOOLS THEY HAVE AT THEIR DISPOSAL to make the game easier.
Me and my brother are playing the game, nearly the same progression, he rocked bloodhound for until fire giant, and then switched to morgott sword. I’ve been running rock sling crystal sword, until after morgott where I got the dark moon greatsword. He will not stop talking shit about me for using Tiche when fighting Malenia, but his ass used Margot cursed sword and level 10 mimic tear. Same mindset as these elitist fucks, like he said, we’re all ass unless we can do ng+2 RL1 with fists
Since dark souls 1 ive always played with str build and heavy armor. I decided to play elden ring with dex and int for the first time and its the most fun i had recently with souls games. Its not a common archetype in most rpgs and the customization allows you to create the perfect balance of spells, weapons, types of attacks, schools of magic, fashion etc etc. as a employed man with responsibilities and with no gaming ego, i couldn’t care less about what a neckbeard say about how i should play a game. I buy the game, i learn its mechanics and what the devs give us to use, i use what they gave me, i have fun, the end. Sekiro has a limited approach on how to finish the game but still gives you ways to make bosses easier countering specific mechanics with your tools and i never see anyone complaining about “right way to play”.
i think the community got so much worse with the release of Elden ring due to bringing in alot of non souls players and just glazing elden ring like crazy becuase before elden ring the community was so much smaller and tbh it was gestures and meme videos wich was hilarious back in dark souls 3
Triggered fanboy: You use summons 😡😡 you didn’t beat the game. Me: Sorry but you don’t get to determine the correct way to beat the game lmao like who the fck are you 😂😂😂
Course not, but every one can recognize your just shit at the game. Yet when someone tells you that you get butt hurt despite apparently thinking you can play however you want.
@@echo4567psn dude I beat all the souls games without summons so miss me with that bs lol there’s harder games out there than the souls game. And why you do care so much about how others are playing. Souls fans are worse than GTA fans.
This is what happens when you change anything with your formula, especially when your first journey is really personal to you. Ds1 fans hated 2 for that reason. I am seeing thing happen against Bloodborne, Sekiro, and especially Ds3 players against this game. My point is, which ever game you play first will be more personal to you, but if you play another one and if the devs change anything, it pisses people. Everytime some art comes along that is personal, it has to be an expansion or appeal to that first game a person played. It's the price of success and it's why most art is generic because those artists will not embrace change due to sales. From Software may not seem like it, but they are one of those dev teams who do. As they made Deracine in 2018 and then made Sekiro, which was completely different to Souls before as it is more of an action game.
Dark Souls 2 has some flaws The enemy placement can be very annoying, It made some run backs painful (fuck the iron passage, I Lost a part of myself there😂)
Honestly my biggest issue with ER is that it's just Dark Souls 3 but open world, not a bad thing but playing Sekiro years before ER i was disappointed with the lack of inovation and reused gameplay of previous titles and i'm sick of the whole roll through attacks for Iframes for bosses
I am personally of the opinion that beating bosses solo without summons is the most fun way to play the game, as is going in mostly blind on your first playthrough. I think there is a fair argument to be made there given that learning the bosses' moves after dying repeatedly makes the thrill of combat that much better once you get into the groove. That's my favorite thing about these games. I love overcoming the different enemies. When my friends ask me about the games, I'll lead with my first recommendation. HOWEVER you will never find me hating on other people for the way that they play. I do think most wizards do not know how to play the game very well, which is amusing to me but that is not something that warrants hate or any kind of serious argument. Games are just games.
Wow I remember this one haha. It's just a game. Games are meant to be fun at the end of the day. I played every build I could think of with this game. Any build can be OP barring straight hands. I love these games so much, despite some of the annoying shit(that elevator in mergos loft).
Reading these comments is so bizarre. Everyone in an echo chamber saying "community is bad!! PvP trash!!!" but what community are they talking about? Redditors? They aren't the Souls community, just random people usually looked down upon by everyone else due to their confident ignorance. The Twitch chat of streamers getting into the game? 95% of them haven't even played the game. I can't think of any other "community" example that fits the description these commenters are talking about, because all the ones I've been consist of the best people I've met in gaming.
If anything these comments are a glimpse at the fact PvE'ers are generally way more toxic than PvP'ers, while trying to gaslight everyone else into thinking the opposite
Well another one sees through the cracks. It might sound like a conspiracy theory, but some of these people have nonsensical Profiles, like Cocomelon in their HIp-Hop & Rap Playlists, among other things like Twerking in a Gun Playlists, in other words, a lot of people in this Comment Section are Bots, they keep parroting each other and missing the point of conversations. Something tells me this is orchestrated to some, maybe a great extent, they may be trying to divide the fanbase, even the uploader of this Clip I found to be bizarre due to similar patterns.
Especially if you look at the achievments. Some games do "No damage this multiphased bullet hell boss", while "hardest" dark souls achievement is "grind for rings/magic/weapons".
Being gatekeeper just literally means that person has some major mental health issues. Almost all gatekeepers are braindead fans. If you provide valid arguments, instead of disagreeing or providing counter arguments, they will just say git gud. They say that games from Miyazaki are the best, but yet they criticise Demon souls and Dark souls 2 🤣🤣🤣 Most of them just don't have any clear arguements provided, but they are bashing people for being mages or using some kind of builds. Like come on dude! It's just a game. Everyone is able to use everything, even Miyazaki didn't prohibit magic, summons or any builds. And they clearly don't believe they are playing an RPG. Have they ever played any RPG? Do they even know what RPG means? Guess no.
Gatekeeping is a stupid word. I feel like that word was invented by someone who has never taken a test, an exam, any curriculum or had to learn anything if I'm fr
To be real. Dark Souls groomed this gate keeping. The start was basically like so many came and they all lost and you will never gonna make it and if you do you are something better than all the other losers who quit. FS clearly used this pride fostering to make the game more popular. Also stuff like Prepare to Die edition, what a name. Also that the dev refused easy mode with basically saying "on easy mode you didn't play the game" enforced this.
Dark Souls' just good bro. Nobody had to play Dark Souls, there's also Umihara Kawase series which is still ongoing recently and saying stuff like "Hard to master", amongst other games, don't they also harbor this "Hardcore Gamer" mentality? Dark Souls just became mainstream by some degree luck (from what I recall Demon's Souls started off kinda slow afterall), but it was also a good game, why is FS the only one getting whipped for it when previous games were sleeper hits? There's nothing wrong in not liking it, but now everyone wants everything to be made for anyone instead of it remaining niche.
@@Neon_Henchmancause other fanbase don’t bully gamers like the Fromsoftware fans do. The argument could also be made that Fromsoftware zealots demand ever game be like dark souls. Fromsoftware is basically the Wes Anderson of game developers.
@@Linklex7 But you also have Fallout Fans shit on those not liking the newer stuff, like Creetosis being called a "tourist" for not consuming products. There's always going to be toxic assholes in every fanbases. Whatever the arguments were, I feel the debate has been far too diluted.
@@Neon_Henchman"debate has been far too diluted." No, you're just intentionally missing the point. A few bad apples in the Fallout fanbase isn't the same as the VOCAL MAJORITY of a souls fans being elitist gatekeeping losers. You fromsoft dick riders are the worst thing to happen to the perception of gamers as angry basement dwellers since league dropped.
@@Neon_Henchman Lemme see, we got toxic 99% on DS2 haters. We also got these who "Uh SuMmOn Is FoR cAsUlS" (Praising the sun is one of the most recognisable thing in the game, just saying), and there's also sweats. The list can go on :D
This comment section is like a therapy session group for all the people that cant handle some hard hitting truth. Is playing as a mage or with phantoms "wrong"? Of course not. Is playing as a mage or with phantoms easier than most other builds or playing solo? BIG yes. Stop crying, face the reality and keep it pushing. Nobody really cares how you play at the end of the day.
I kinda agree with this to some extent. The experience is far different if you look at it. If you play as melee oriented guy, you are in the fray of the battle, middle of combat and all danger, as mage you are effectively outside of it and either using support or keeping distance. The experience and vibe is then vastly different, main reason from memory is Gundyr in 3rd DS, he was insanely easy as mage/pyromancer, but a nightmare for melee builds.
If no one cared about this, then such discussions wouldn't even exist. However, I've seen many players who actually believe that there is a “right” and a “wrong” way to play the game.
@@Alexander-pm4pp What I should say is: Normal souls players don't judge others how they play and they don't look for excuses if they play with easy builds. Simple as that
I only started playing souls likes about 5 years ago when Nioh piqued my interest. I've played a lot of this type of game and I came across a post that basically said "If it's in the game it's in the game" and that's the way I play these games. SL1, naked with fists 😂
First off how can you get mad at someone who utilizes what was put into the game in the first place? Secondly I never understood the whole gate keeping & elitist fanboy-ish types in games (or any form of entertainment) but unfortunately the ones in the souls community stand out! Sucks too because the souls community has so many cool people who offer help & guidance yet remain respectful! Unfortunately they are usually overshadowed by the ones taking the games way to serious!
@@glungusgongus I disagree, summons should definitely be in the game. And realistically, they're just an option, them being there doesn't mean they have to be interacted with
Same with monster hunter community when they see you having defense, divine blessing, heroics, or any of the defensive skills you are now considered a lowlife. Especially that guy who bragged about having played world for 5000+ hours, and made a video on how Asmongold should play the game.
The souls community is weirdly competitive for a game that is mostly single-player. Everyone has to be the next letmesoloher. People want bragging rights while gatekeeping how you should beat the game. It doesn't make the game more appealing to shun people for simply playing it differently. If you want competition, go to arenas and duke it out, do invasions. But dont cry when someone kills you with a busted you dont know-how to counter, git gudder.
Yeah, the Souls community is garbage, straight up. I had a bunch of those weirdos jumping on me because I said that invasions should be totally optional. My guess is the dorks got mad because they'll have less people to troll. Like invasions being optional hardly affects them at all and they go and act like I said to get rid of it entirely.
@@dylangaletti395You can't keep moving the goalpost lol. It's completely optional: play solo and not get invaded or play with other people and get invaded. Choose your preference and don't cry about there being no choice. You guys cry so much when you get invaded in ER, when ER is the most host friendly game in souls history. It's embarrassing.
@@UncleGael1999 No one is moving any goal posts, so you clearly don't understand what that phrase means. Also, the fact that you are this upset about something that wouldn't effect you at all shows that you need to find a hobby and a socisl life, probably a girlfriend too. Stop getting upset that people want to play games the way that they want to when they are spending their own money on these games.
@@UncleGael1999 You're the only one crying you mentally unstable clown. You're exactly the problem with this dogshit community. Gatekeeping fuckin loser. 😂
@Neon_Henchman Yeah this dude is the weirdest souls-like channel I have seen 😳 he makes such weird decisions and his walkthroughs are horrendous sometimes like the choices he goes with lol
@@datdamadude The dude also has kept calling me a pedo over one video I've made, where I was saying he could've just hid behind a pillar during a Modded O&S fight and where he whined about it, he kept saying how I "wanted his clout and to earn money", again over ONE video. Since then, I keep being stalked by weird accounts, pretty sure it's his view-bots since they parrot the same things like in this comment section.
@@apbecker Well I don't rape my girlfriend in the mouth like you do, Cowboy. I already dealt with your two sock accounts on Twitter the other day, you couldn't even keep the Tweets up for more than a day.
Dark souls fans the people who threw a tantrum because someone wanted an easy mode. Because remember gamers everyone has to experience a game exactly how you experience it.
I mean using a walkthrough for a puzzle game would ruin the point of what the developers wanted, no? And no, I'm not saying shit like "Magic is OP skrub", but rather I see people who wouldn't read the description of Fire Keeper Souls, like it doesn't strike me as being for them.
@@Neon_Henchman Nobody talks about a walkthrough, scrub. And an easymode wouldn't hurt anyone, except you feel tempted to use easy mode just because it exists. Makes you dumber with each comment I see from you.
Challenge is an inherit part of games. If they weren't every game would have you one shot every enemy and fast travel to the end. Dont like it dont play it.
I think its pretty ironic that when the game first came out I thought int builds were cheap and easy. Then with the launch of the dlc I decided to beat the game and its dlc with an int build. I actually had more fun doing an int build than any other build I've done. There's quite a few draw backs of having an int build and 1 being you have to allocate healing for fp. In the early game you basically only had 3-4 healing flasks and that's it. Also most talismans related to sorceries have draw backs like taking more dmg ect. In boss fights you don't need to dodge any less attacks than you would with other builds. Some bosses even strafe your spells so you have to wait for specific moments to actually hit them. However, everything gets thrown out of the water with pvp but so doesn't everything in pvp.
Bro, you can have 8 healing flasks and still have 6 FP flasks. It's not hard lol. Also, pretty much all of the mandatory talismans for magic users don't have ANY drawbacks except one, and it's slower casting speed. I'm not saying mage is easy mode, but it is easier than STR/DEX/FTH and even bleed (until late game).
@@caulshivers1029 I said early game flask management was hard. Also glintstone blade, magic scorpion, and beloved stardust have big downsides of having decreased dmg negation. Plus the buffs from azurs and lusats staff comes with a huge 25% increase in fp cost. Carian Regal Scepter is the best all around but requires 60 int just to use. Also int is not easier than str. All you have to do is poise break with str and you don’t even have to fight the boss. Plus you get access to the most broken weapon in the game, star fists.
@@LyllianaofMirrah Not at all, as long as someone isn’t using magic barrier then you have a huge advantage over certain builds in 1v1s. The carian slicer is extremely fast and can literally punish strength builds in between swings. Glinstone pebble is excellent for hitting them during heals or as a finish attack. Carian piercer is very good as a mix up in between slicer that dishes over 1000 damage. Finally if you want to be a pos spammer then just ise star shower. The spell is undodgeable unless you have dog shit ping.
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"So my approach or play style was to use everything I have at my disposal, all the assistance, every scrap of aid that the game offers, and also all the knowledge that I have as the architect of the game… the freedom and open-world nature of Elden Ring perhaps lowered the barrier to entry, and I might be the one who's benefiting the most from that, as a player, more than anyone else." -Miyazaki
Exactly, I think this quote says everything that needs to be said. It also clearly proves that the opinion that ANY way to play these games could be considered "wrong" is completely just some made up, circle-jerking spawn of probably some niche reddit community of insecure neckbeards - these people are not to be listened to or treated with any validity or respect.
There is also this other side that shits on you if you dont utilize all the mechanics of the game. E.g I dont like playing with summons, using consumables, or levelling vigor to tank bosses because that gameplay is not as engaging to me. I just like simple and clean sword fights like sekiro. But whenever someone sees that, they call me stupid, saying I'm trying to be an elitest making things harder for myself for no reason. Like jeez, I play these games to have fun, not to quickly finish them to brag about it.
@@askeladden450 It is also not true, that those things make the game easier necessarily. I suck at the game and pretty much have to use the Miyazaki strategy a lot of times but all in all, I try to do it straightforwardly. And, in the end, I found it is not just more engaging and rewarding. It is also easier to not cycle through consumables for example. Ranged attacks do not work on highly mobile bosses. Which includes many consumables (assuming they even work on a boss in the first place). Ranged combat can work well with summons. However, using summons makes many bosses harder to fight in melee. Timing your (melee) attacks is hard if not impossible with a summon drawing the attention away from the boss. A boss can cut through a big health bar easily if you suck at dodging. Maybe in 3 attacks instead of 1 but not needing to dodge will just end up in you not learning how to. It will not prevent you from getting staggered for example. Good armor will prevent you from getting staggered when eating attacks but you will also not get that attack window that a successful dodge gives you. Etc, etc.
Souls community has two sides. First one contains people who genuinely enjoy the game and welcome all type of other players with different backgrounds and not hesitate to bring up negatives; while the second one contains basement dwellers who thinks being a veteran for a video game is a social status.
Yeah, exactly; FightinCowboy's thinks he's a veteran and thus earns a social status himself.
In all seriousness, well yeah, I thought there's worth in these people, uploading themselves being new to the game and being ecstatic when they've defeated Taurus Demon after failing a few times, that was wholesome. I kind of miss these simpler times.
@@Neon_Henchman Keep coping.
I've always thought that "souls veteran" is such a cringe term
@@leinad2934Of all the veterans they can be in this life and they chose to be a Souls vet. Yikes.
@@Neon_Henchman lol this weeb🤣
People have never been good at anything in life they have to hold on to them little bits of pixels
Saddest part? These soulscels aren't even good, they aren't even mid, they are just larping, pretending to be Zerolennies to cope.
@@RedSunUnderParadise git gud
@@Hojijhi
>Souls Fan
>God
God of what? Inceldom, mediocrity and Masochism? Ok, Loser.
Mate, if you unironically think something as piss easy as a Souls game is akin to swiming then you should probs do something about your disability.
@Griffith is Lord. Zero Lenny is a meme challenge run channel lol, nobody is pretending to be him, they are just pretending to be good.
@@Hojijhi
PTSD? Like when Your pussy swordsmong after getting porked by Donovan and after he got Cucked by the actual Chad? Nah, PTSD yourself, pleb.
>Waaaaah You got filtered
Ah, so that's why you are malding. You couldn't get past Assylum then, you couldn't get past Tree Sentinel now and all you are doing is projecting. Ma'am, you are simply pathetic.
The community was primarily the reason why I held off on playing souls games until today when I bought elden ring. Had people in high school talk about video games, and only ever ended up bringing the souls series into the conversation, and how they would say "You aren't a true gamer until you've played or beaten DS" or whatever. I think the souls games have really gotten to people's ego, especially if they haven't touched grass in 7 years
Elden Ring isn't a "souls game", it's not a sequel, a prequel, a midquel, a spin-off, nor is it even in the same universe, nor is Dark Souls even an open-world game, so no, you have yet to play Dark Souls. Not that I share the opinion of the people at your high school, but I think it's hilarious how insecure you are about not having played some videogame, so just letting you know, that to those people you are *still* not a "true gamer".
@@deadvirgin428 Meh nobody cares. There's better games than the souls games like RDR2. Just Fromsoftdrones that hype their games up to the moon
@@jayibarra6243
And Synthetik, and MH, etc.
What did you expect from basement dwelling masochists who jack off to their in game avatars get pegged by virtual Gigachads?
@@RedSunUnderParadise MH is good but Idk I've been starting to hate the MH community at this point.
“Using summons isn’t how your supposed to play the game” damn did you forget about Solaire and Jolly Cooperation?
If you didn't summon Solaire whenever you had the chance consider yourself an opp
You have to remember that 95% of Elden Ring's playerbase have only ever played Elden Ring. It's not their fault that they're retarded, cut them some slack lmao
@@andr3wvnt Not summoning Solaire is indeed mega cringe and smol pp energy
They can't remember, since, the majority of these MFckers never played a single Souls game.
If you're not supposed to have summons, why is it such an extensive part of the game.
I never seen people get mad how other people play. I like the game the but damn, I never seen a community this toxic since I played COD.
"since CoD"
How long ago? MW2 (the old one) days?
@@timur5241 that's kind of irrelevant to the point Mijo
@@Akillez oh
@@Akillez The door is that way. You are not one of us. You didn't beat the game. Go back to your country/game
@@Akillez son’d em en espaniol. Te veo carnale
I’m very new to the series, so I was stunned when I learned how toxic this community really is.
First playing through Dark Souls I wasn’t having a fun time at all, and I asked the sub Reddit, respectfully, is this just a me problem or do most people have the same issue when they first pick up a souls game.
I was not ready for the level of hate I was about to receive because I wasn’t enjoying the game to that point. I was shocked at how unhelpful and defensive those people are.
I beat the game anyway and I’m on to playing other souls games but damn I hate the community with a passion and wish they would stop being little babies
true
from someone who's first souls game was darksouls 3, yes it is that hard for most people when picking up a game like it for the first time, i spent hours on the first boss alone
I also started with elden ring and got better, i come from the cod community and I didnt think the souls community could be this toxic but damn I was so wrong
I really hate that every discussion about the quality of anything in these games immediately changes to a discussion about the difficulty. That’s how OBSESSED with it the community is: you can’t criticize any aspects of the game or else you’re just bad, unless you call certain parts too easy. It just completely shuts out any criticism or interesting discussion because all anyone cares about is if it’s hard or not, not if it’s GOOD or not.
For instance, I love Sekiro but hate Dark Souls. I consider Sekiro the harder game and also enjoy it more by a mile but I really do not like playing DS because I think the controls are absolutely terrible. But nope, I’m not allowed to criticize anything about these games, I’m just bad (completely ignoring that I’ve beaten both games and have completed Sekiro without dying)! It’s such bullshit.
It's crazy, they have never changed. I made a reddit post years and years ago when I first played ds1 essentially doing the same thing.
Asked for some tips as a noob and criticised some things (which I still think are bad even after playing all the games multiple times) and was met with nothing but hate and defensiveness. It's not even worth interacting with the community outside of youtube because they are all so angry at the world.
The best way to play souls games is to completely separate yourself from the community and unless you truly enjoy it avoid pvp
I think that's the best way lol personally I like the genre but I can't stand the elitist part of the community.
Big no. Sharing information from Lore perspective is part of community. Its not the best way, just get out from the toxic ones
@@luckyadrian100 Yeah you’re right about that, the lore and art community gets a pass they’re pretty cool
Problem is when you don't understand game mechanics and you try to find tips you have to interact with the community.
@luckyadrianhutapea yeah I'm really interested in the lore.
remember when games were about having fun?
no
nope, summoning and mage builds have always been frowned upon in souls game.
@@SteveFard nobody have ever cared about them only some little rats hiding on Twitter
@@SteveFard I let Tiche solo Malenia. Start screeching.
Souls community can be garbage. Best thing is to just play the games and ignore the community for the most part.
That's the part that sucks, some parts of the community is actually awesome and is so much fun to find out about each other's experiences but you will inevitably came across that one guy that loves ruining everything
I hate the souls-community more than I hate ticks, and I have Lyme disease.
Me too I hate it, but it's hard to say if it's because of the "git gud" crowd, or those that are so unwilling to learn the games themselves.
@@Neon_Henchman It is easy to blame it on those "git gud" scrubs. I bet those idiots never even beaten a really challenging game for themselves without googling shit or looking anything up on youtube. But looking down on others? Man. I played games before the internet was fully functioning. The fuck are you talking about?
@@Neon_Henchman lol virgin
@@apbecker 🤓
@@Neon_Henchman Lol it's the "get gud" crowd sonny. Don't try and deflect 😂
Aahhh FightinCowboy. The man who helped me get through parts of Bloodborne and Dark Souls on my first playthrough
I used platinum chasers. Much better walkthrough.
@@TJuice1986Plat chaser does everything you need to get the plat, he will skip and leave behind stuff if it doesn’t contribute to the plat. while cowboy is just a walkthrough of helping people get through the game and get almost everything.
Yeah the souls community has some real elitist goblins. I've seen them flooding 5 year old horizon zero dawn clips that previously had like 200 views and rave in the comments about how elden ring is better. Thats just the most current example of how toxic they are, not even the fact that they're seeking out the videos, but ITS THE WRONG GAME 🤣
without these goblins Soulsborne could be another destiny
@@Hojijhi
Keep dreaming, being toxic doesn't help anyone lad.
@@skyfox585 come on dude you know toxicity has it's magic why Deny it.
@@Hojijhi
Idk about that man...
@@Hojijhi it also hurts
And hurts VERY badly (and not just you)
It's just not worth it
I played the game how it meant to be played and destroyed Melanie multiple times, called her the most overrated “hardest Souls boss ever”. And people are like, “you’re playing a broken build, you’re using summons”🤓
Like 🐩 they give me all these tools unlike the rest of the souls games, it’s not cheating to use the things the games provide you 💯
no but it's shameless get gude scrub
@@Hojijhi I stopped reading at no👍
Get mad 🐩
@@Devilmaycry-Joker I'm disappointed not mad getting mad is your game
@@Hojijhi Glad your disappointment doesn’t mean shit to me 👍
@@Hojijhi keep crying 😄
Who the hell criticizes on how people play🤣🤣🤣
Literally 90% of the souls community
@@vitaminwater9662 "JUST DODGE AND GIT GUD NOOB!"
"LEVEL UP YOUR VIGOR!?!?!" "She was easy just GIT GUD" "you didn't beat the game if you Summoned or cheese"
@@gond6099 guess i didn't beat the game then, since i summoned on every boss fight.😅
@@hitsumaru100 breh lol
For me, playing as a mage is harder. You get locked into attacks that refuse to hit moving targets, have a limited amount of mana which can only be refilled by your flasks that can either heal you or refill the blue bar. The attacks don't do any massive damage over time like bleed, rot or ice so you have to spec into int for real damage and that usually involves you having lower defensive stats. Even endgame, being a mage is a challenge just as much as anything else.
People completely miss this point and thinks mages are the only OP playstyle in the game cause they see some comet azur on reddit/youtube vs bosses on first try. The truth is, that "kill" probably, multiple tries.
If anything, mage builds are the ones that demand good positioning and timing your attacks and overall strategizing the most, because for eg: while malenia WILL dodge most straight projectile spells, she won't be able to dodge the comet spells because they are semi invisible.
This is how I see it for most souls games:
Mage builds make some parts easier and some parts a lot harder
Melee builds make some parts easier and some parts a lot harder
Hybrid builds make most things normal
But mages do have ice spells :0 and bleed if you count the blood sorceries but those need a bit of faith.
Personally I'm more of a pure strength enjoyer, but unless your using the pre-nerf comet azur setup being a mage is absolutely harder. It's as you said, way less health and defensive stats, you can't really use good armour, and you have to sacrifice heals. Being a pure strength build is so much easier. Dual wielding two colossal greatswords that do 2.5k per jump attack with a hp and endurance bar filling your whole screen + flasks that you can keep exclusively for healing and ignore mana. And also dodging is way easier, you don't get locked in place for nearly as long with melee builds.
Totally agree with cowboy here in the terms of gameplay, play how you want, wear what you want, having someone dictate your playstyle just isnt right unless its constructive feedback as it provides you options, a choice to your characters progression. It doesnt give you the right to be arrogant towards somone not running a broken meta build.
I never get the elitist fromsoft people. Its a video game the whole point is to have fun and kick it
It's called. "I'm a loser in real life, and finally found something I'm good at", syndrome.
@@ih8theleft"I finally found something that I've convinced myself im "good" at through an arbitrary series of delieations and made up requirements about what you need to do to be considered "good""
In reality, 95% of those players that think they're in the top 10% are probably closer to the bottom 50%.
Have you seen modern gaming?
What's fun about Concord or Veilgaurd?
@@Ruffington_Roast That's not even relevant. There are problems with modern gaming, BUT there were crap and mid games in the past as well. We just don't remember them as well.
@@Mr33500 You pointed out why your point is irrelevant.
Secondly, how many of those games a decade ago were pushing identity politics and treating every game like a lefty struggle session?
Souls community can be very rough, you want to share your experiences with the game but it just becomes a critique of how you experienced it
They’re not worth your time
I'd never do that. That's like someone telling you their dream and laughing at them. It's no different than laughing at you. A bunch of disrespectful twats whose parents forgot to whip with branches.
Then it goes the other way. I tried to give genuine advice if I pair with a host whose struggling. I don't even tell them to swap stuff I've told people they can jump Horah Loux/Godfrey stomps and they've gotten pissy with me. I've had people where I offered to shield tank to help them with aggro, they still got pissy with me.
I'm a co-op enjoyer who gave up on PVP due to a lack of fun hosts. At this point I'm just about done helping.
@@ShadyPlatinum777Amen to that. Pearls upon swine and whatnot
Yes. Well put, actually. I think this happens a lot, where newer players are sharing their experiences with excitement and they're happy to be experiencing this thing that everyone has been raving about all this time... and then instead of being welcomed into the community as they'd have assumed would happen, the people they were kind of looking up to as mentors of the franchise just clap back at them out of nowhere to ridicule and mock them for the choices they made while playing.
I hate it. I'm also convinced it's a group almost entirely composed of 7-16yr old boys with low self worth and high insecurity, and then there's a gap of 17-25yr old males who don't play (it's a fact look it up there's never been a single person of those ages that played these games and never will) and then it starts up again with like, 26+ yr old people who clearly live alone and are just insufferable, arrogant and shockingly immature.
The best opinion ive heard about the souls community! Love Cowboy.
The souls fanbase is worse than Eminem stans
yup. I am ashamed to call myself a fan of their games at this point because of the community.
@@KitsGravityit's the worst community in gaming Imo. You can't criticise boss design etc . Or that we are playing against more and more anime stuff while still using demons souls combat
@@based-ys9um especially the boss designs, which have become comical and ridiculous
@@KitsGravityman i seen MOBA Players having more.....braincell than these souls "fans"do lol
And sure as shit less likely to defend their game
@@muhammadapriputrakurniawan2222 absolutely fucking true
Still relevant today, especially dlc. It’s crazy watching some streams of people playing any Souls game and there’s always someone in chat that is complaining on the streamer’s gameplay. I genuinely don’t understand it, especially when it’s someone who is playing blind and has never played a souls game. It’s their first time, why are you bitching in chat on someone’s first experience?!
It's undoubtedly because they are using one of the 5 streamer weapons that other chatters pressured him into getting and using.
That made new player streams completely unwatchable for me since 99% have carbon copy setups that I've seen countless times.
Sad part is most setups can be op but the neanderthals in chat just dont let people play organically and must have the streamer play bloodhound fang, greatsword lions claw, moonveil etc.
The valuable lesson to learn from the Dark Souls Community is, never ever treat every Dark Souls player as if they are Darksydephil.
DSP review on elden ring was unironically correct
My best friend had never played dark souls, i got him to play ds1 for the first time. He barely leveled dmg stats and mostly leveled vigor and endurance. He still beat the game with a plus 15 broadsword tank build.
If souls elitists were to see how my friend played, they would have probably lost their mind. The point of a soulsborne games for me is figurine out with your own way how to beat the game, not how others tell you.
Sounds like a based way to play through DS1 to be honest, good for him.
my friend is playing DS1 for the first time with a black knight halberd and we killed O&S in about 60 seconds (with summon hp boost)
honestly I felt bad for him that his sense accomplishment was robbed. he was just like "is that it".
I'm not trying to be an elitist but he honestly doesn't sound like he's having fun with the game by breezing through it with no effort. wouldn't overcoming an insurmountable challenge be more rewarding?
reminds me of the first time i played over 10 years ago, the game was way more niche and there was no consensus on how to play
@@Alistair_7609 There’s nothing wrong with summoning, though for O&S in particular I think it’s a lot more fun to have the 2V1 experience. Even with an OP Weapon and O&S having less heath it’s still very possible to die since you could get cornered or 2nd phase Ornstein can give new players a lot of trouble. For the most part though I think the fun of DS1 is exploring the world and navigating the areas, it’s one of the reasons why DS1 is my favourite. But if your friend wants some tough bosses, or at the very least tough endgame bosses then maybe they’d enjoy DS3 or Elden Ring more if they haven’t played it already.
Alternatively there’s trying DS1 with different builds or playing NG+ with what they’re currently using. The Black Knight Weapons are always very good but they don’t tower over standard weapons by that point.
@lukefitton7329 that's the thing, he played every other souls game with normal, average builds, just saw a cool looking weapon, and started using it. dark souls 3 is his favorite game of all time, which is why I think using the op option just harms the user experience more than helps it.
Elden Ring enemies didn't play fair, so neither did I.
Its funny how people consider mages easy mode. I’m doing a mage build on NG+ 3 after a respecc and bosses like Morgott/Hoaroaxh Loux and DLC bossess etc spank my shit when I try to get a spell going. Mages without summons using timing and spacing to cast a spell that can actually take a chunk of boss health is a struggle in itself. Oddly enough the easiest playthrough I had was the unga bunga stagger strength build because I could tank damage, get staggers etc.
The reason for the community's elitism is a combination of two things. The first is the industry, which ignorantly pushes Souls games as the new status quo for what makes a game challenging. The second is the influx of players into the community over the past few years who play or acknowledge so few video games that they don't realise how many other games, old and new, demand more from the player than any Souls game.
Its definitely also the people who act like they know anything about a video game they've never touched
The most prominent divide I've seen in the Souls community is between cooperators and invaders. It's astounding the amount of distain they have for each other
I am admittedly VERY anti invader but it's because most of the invaders I've had have been assholes that camp RIGHT BEFORE BOSS AREAS and then instantly kill me because I'm not good at the PvP. I wish it was an opt-out system tbh. Just let me have fun, enjoy the silly messages, and summon Solaire without camping and assaulting me before I've even beaten the gargoyles. I always get the guys that like to pick on new characters and players. The sweaty try hards make the game REALLY unfun.
@@HollyAnneThePaganChaosWitch There IS an opt out system. In DS3 invaders only come if you are embered. You can either choose not to be embered, or jump off a cliff if you want to remove the embered state, go back and collect the souls. In Elden Ring, you can turn off your multiplayer in settings.
@@rationalrama but that isn't really an option when playing DSR which is the one I'm currently playing. Also, why can't it be a toggle switch in the options menu for earlier games? It'd probably save plenty of invaders a lot of time if someone who's going to disconnect or jump off of a cliff anyway turns it off. Then they'd only get people who _want_ to PvP them.
Now, I have yet to play Elden Ring but I'm pretty invested in how it handles its PvP because it sounds way better than the way DSR handles it. I always play alone in RPGs but I love seeing those little funny messages and hearing the bells go off for another player but when invaders hassle my new characters in the Burg or Parish (or Anor Londo tbh) I get frustrated. So, being able to be online without inviting invaders (or looking like a piece of beef jerky the whole time) sounds kinda nice to me.
@@HollyAnneThePaganChaosWitch Is it not possible to play DS Remastered offline? Idk but I am sure those few messages that you might want to read on the ground aren't worth it if you dislikes invasions so much. :(
@@rationalrama you'd be surprised at how worth it they can be but yeah it is a hassle to manage. I find the experience worth it most of the time. I love hearing the bells and saluting my fellow undead for their achievements and getting the funny messages after a really hard area (I'm thinking of all the ones in Anor Londo). I usually just stay hallowed and go offline when I want to summon Solaire for a boss fight.
Part of the issue comes down to when the vast majority of invasions happen in DRS becuase it's normally people twinking. Especially in the Burg and Parish but also Anor Londo. This community has a lot of bullies in it who get off real hard on making potentially new players quit the game entirely. Makes it hard for me to get my friends into the games despite how good they are. :/
I'm 100% with him on this. It's the biggest problem with these games and I can imagine it's why there are so many people who are deterred from playing it because they know they're going to be ridiculed for the way they play or they'll feel like they're playing the game wrong which results in them getting even more frustrated with the game.
In the end, it's a game. Play it the way you feel most comfortable and is most fun for you. Whether it's running around smacking things in nothing but a loincloth and a pot on your head or it's being decked out with the best armor slinging magic everywhere. Just play the game, have fun, and don't be a prick. It's not a hard thing to do and it's not asking for a lot.
"Hurr, If you play caster You didn't beat the game."
Then Why did I finish the game with Zero Deaths while your ass is still stuck on Margit?
God I'm such a badass
@@Hojijhi
Ah yes, An average Soulsborne player showing self-awarness.
@@Hojijhi
And I wish I could show you how to scam serbs using NFTs.
@@Hojijhi
Very few things offend me. People who use "Yikes" unironically are one of them. It's just as bad as being fr*nch.
@@RedSunUnderParadise yeah gamers thinking they are gamers funny (this one is for your NFTs)
I never play mages in these games but it's because if how I like to play. I'll personally admit that having to constantly keep distance from enemies is a skill all on it's own that I don't have.
Yeah you can’t even criticize a souls game or everyone just starts attacking you like you insulted their mother or something lmao
Back in the day before the souls games went super mainstream it was socially acceptable to criticize them. People criticized the hell out of Dark Souls 2 back in the day and no one gave anyone shit for it. Now you cant even say Dark Souls 2 was bad without Fromsoft fanboys losing their goddamn minds
@@pissant42 It's a bit different with DS2, but if you call their fanfic DS1/DS3/Bloodborne/Sekiro shit, you're in for a shit storm :D
Imagine being an elitist in a game where the entire combat mechanics is pressing circle at the right time lol
Play Ninja Gaiden Black at Master Ninja Difficulty and these souls scrubs will realize what difficulty is actually like.
Or devil may cry
Or the older monster hunters
Men or culture forged by real challenges. Gaiden Black whoop my ass and I love it. Still a ninja dog at heart 😂
If you think that just pressing the dodge button at the right time is more paramount than positioning in Elden Ring you might want to think again
@@randychristensen1028 My man, it's the whole Fromsoft "hard" games. In Sekiro you just press different button, still the facking same "press the button in time" shit.
Being offered an accord is also Weenie Hut Jr mode.
Gatekeeping is necessary, otherwise you get Veilguard
Making the most OP melee build is my way to play. Around the time when I was new to Elden Ring, I saw comments that were like, "If you start with X build, you're not a true player." Like, why do you care what this person chooses. I'd use some of the most OP magic + melee builds, with a mimic summon to cheese the bosses.
Souls games are puzzles, these puzzles have more than one solution. Each solution has varying levels of difficulty. Finding an easier solution doesn't make you worse than others.
It's always the guys who use meta builds who shit on guys who use summons, moonveil, etc etc. Like, if you use anything besides powerstance uchigatanas, you're big trash.
Laughs in greatsword powestancing and royal knights resolve.
I dont use meta and also hate summoms
I am so happy that one of my favorite Souls youtubers have said this. It's also one of the reasons why I hated Dark Souls 3 for the longest time.
I'm so glad Sekiro was the way it was and the balancing Elden Ring had when it first released. It was like a big F U to the elitists and souls community. So satisfying.
Not such a big f you we got content like we never dreamed of ,it's just how you scrubs plagued around it is what's annoying.
@@Hojijhi
Cute cope but Guts got pegged by Donovan. Now leave, scrub.
I can't wait for armored core 6 to be released so that these Souls-sexuals off themselves.
@@Hojijhi
Some of the content in Elden Ring is bad. 😂
Most of the boss fights are poorly designed, most of the bosses are just reskins, the combat isn't that great (especially compared to Bloodborne and Sekiro), there's players who think the map is too big, the whole thing is not as good as they say.
It's a good game, but definitely not GOTY.
@user-vv8iu8vh8c
Get triggered harder you legbeard fruitcake. Your salt is delectable. ;)
Griffith did Nothing Wrong. Well, Except for Hiring a loser like Guts.
Bro really gets upset and people just being people. Bill got trolled hard here.
If FS didn't want you to use magic, summons or buffs, they wouldn't put them in the game. Simple as that.
It's true that every stat has OP options, doesn't mean that every weapon is OP.
In fact most "OP" weapons are only strong when you use their Ash of War, like Moonveil, RoB or Blasphemous Blade.
If you didn't beat the game with the Donkey Kong Bongo controller, can you REALLY say you beat it?
Honestly I've been playing these games for a decade, and the way ER shifted the discussion around them is sort of weird. FS fans have always been annoying but ER brought in a much wider scope of people.
In one camp, some of them tend to mimic the older annoying attitude of FS fans in an exaggerated and flanderized way, removed from the original irony. On top of that, you have people who are more casual but have bitten from the "oh my god these games are so hard" mentality. They clear a boss with level 200 magic beam spell and say oh my god this game is actually not hard at all, (they're not wrong).
Where this turned into two camps shitting on each other was with more experienced players talking shop about boss design, and newer players proudly bragging about how they oneshot x boss with magic fuckbeam. This originally used to be an ironic joke, which instead became an earnest point of conversation over the game. Even worse, it's a totally useless and unconstructive way to talk about boss mechanics.
There's nothing wrong with avoiding mechanics to reach new content but it adds absolutely nothing to a conversation centered around how those mechanics actually work. From my point of view, it's even more annoying to hear somebody smugly brag about how all you need to do is just not engage with a mechanic at all, when other people are trying to discuss how the mechanic actually works. It's like yes, we all remember playing DS1 and running away from the Asylum Demon but you're not actually contributing to the conversation, and it's also genuinely kind of annoying.
I agree that the conversation has shifted and become more polarised. I find it annoying when people act like we can't nitpick aspects of the game like how much time you're forced to spend not doing anything engaging riding around on the horse. Or the topic of whether or not the soulslike formula is played out and whether or not new mechanics or a new direction is necessary in future titles. So many people either abjectly hate the game or blindly worship it. It's strange how few nuanced opinions there are.
If summons weren't supposed to be used fromsoft would take them out
You didn't beat the game blindfolded with xbox kinect motion controls?
Don't @ me, scrub.
At the end it's a video game it's not meant to be taking too seriously I'm not a fan of souls games I'm more into fps games i love the fps community alot because we have fun without shaming people for playing in their own styles
Based. This is because FPS enjoyers are actual human beings and not deranged neurodivergent masochists like the souls "community".
@@RedSunUnderParadiseyou tell emm girl
Bruh remember Mp5 and .32
Or the dual shotguns in MW2 og
bro people in the fps community always complain when people use overpowered weapons 💀💀💀 literally what are u saying 😭
I like int build because cool lights
The gatekeeping and elitism by fanboys is all on the internet. They would never dare speak this way irl since it would expose their face to being punched.
Might be the worst fanbase in gaming. These games are nowhere near as good as these fanboys say they are.
lol they are the worst fanbase in gaming and it’s not even close. And yeah there’s better games out there like ghost of tsushima and baldur's gate 3. These souls dorks treat their games like the second coming of Christ.
One of the worst sure
@rileyf3185 real. They shit on games that aren't made by fromsoft and aren't super hard but it's fun watching them all.cry about the dlc
True. ER is a good game but not a masterpiece by any means. The only reason it won GOTY was because other games are not even worth playing.
@@excalibro8365 brother said gowr wasn't worth playing. L take
Ive said this since my first experience with the souls community back when BB came out. 80% of this community are incels who desperately require validation from software that was programmed for them to be able to beat it. The other 20% are people who just want to enjoy the game how they want but the 80% is soooo insanely objectively toxic. TLDR: be a big boy/girl and form your own thoughts.
Dont miss contennt because of gatekeepers. Magic is fun. Incantation is fun. Watching my summon destroy a camp is fun. Play the game how you want it. Once u beat it, then go ahead do ur "limited run".
no one needs to do a "limited run", should've stopped one sentence earlier.
@@apbecker he just being sarcastic toward the elitist.
The thing is, people have been giving themselves self imposed challenges in gaming since FOREVER. Look up Quake or Doom speedrunning. No death challenges. It's sad really that people act like this.
souls elitists are the equivalent of the taylor swift stans of the gaming community
About the "magic is easy mode" bit. Yes it is. It's naturally easier to keep your distance from a boss while spamming projectiles. I know it because after dying so many times to Malenia's first phase while using a melee build, I first tried it spamming projectiles. Bleed builds are very good, but you have to expose yourself more. This is OBVIOUS. It shouldn't even be a debate.
You can play however you want, but do not try to gaslight people into believing projectile builds are equally harder because that's simply not true. This modern youtubers who try at every cost to virtue signal are embarassing. "Look at me, I'm sooo tolerant. I am the protector of newcomers, now worship me 🥰🥰"
you're completely misrepresenting the points hes making. all hes saying about the people whining about magic is easy mode are ignoring the fact that other setups, although not 100% equally as easy, can still make fights so much easier than they are. i told my friend to use rivers prepatch on malenia after using a weaker weapon, and it was night and day for him. all the stress and malding he was doing, ended with "well that was easy". point im making is, what cowboy was saying is you can sit there and argue about what is the absolute easiest and have a stupid pissing contest or actually acknowledge the multitudes of setups that ISNT magic that can just make things trivial. also not once did he say magic builds are "equally harder". the entire crux of this argument is why tf does it matter so much to others how people play in single player non completive modes. in the end its not even about virtue signalling, its about being annoyed as fuck about insufferable elitists. the funny part about alot of those pve elitists too is they pigeon hole themselves to strength unga bunga builds and have zero game iq and most likely trash at pvp too.
@@Shad0wmosestrue, rivers of blood also make the game easy af.
There are builds that are easy and there are builds that are hard. That's it.
let me play devils advocate
my friend played through ds3 and bloodborne multiple times with average melee builds and he considers them two of his favourite games of all time. recently he played ds1 for the first time and decided to use the black knight weapons after hearing how good they were. we killed O&S in roughly 60 seconds and he was utterly disappointed with his experience with the game and dropped it shortly after.
I'm not trying to gatekeep or be an elitist. I love this series and think everyone should try it, but having seen how removing the challenge strips away such a significant part of the experience, I cant help but think people are doing themselves a disservice by using the "easy mode" builds. obviously everyone has a different skill level but I think everyone should try to challenge themselves or the whole point of the series becomes wasted.
That is, unironically, the smartest comment on here yet. You're 100% correct.
Me too, I've enjoyed these games best when I just "winged it", going at my own pace. In fact, I will never forget this experience; DS2's Smelter Demon in the Iron Keep kept demolishing me, to the point that he taught me how to Roll correctly, but I still needed a bit more of an edge, so I looked into my Inventory, and found out I have the Gyrm Greatshield, which completely nullifies Fire Damage. Then, I was able to crush him with a very sizeable amount of health left.
Just this one fight means a lot to me, in fact it's my favorite fight in all the Souls I've played so far, it rewarded me being resourceful with what I have, and it gave me the proper timing for Rolls too.
When all these people care about are big numbers, instead of something that simply works for them or let alone experimenting with things, it just strips away a lot of the magic the games have. Your comment was a very good read.
@Neon_Henchman I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way 😊
Exactly this I know I'm late to this but me and my friends still approach the game like this because it's more enjoyable for us. I think it's ironic because you are easily labeled as an elitist if you voice this opinion and it seems the toxicity towards these elitists is just as bad if not worse at times.
@@seide2829 yeah I don't know when this happened but everywhere I look, voicing concern on someone else's behalf is viewed as being a prick.
what most people mean by "you shouldn't use this build because its too easy" is "if you do this, you will damage your own first experience with the game".
its too bad we live in an age where people are so defensive that giving someone a piece of genuine good intended advice, is seen as a personal attack on their existence.
@@seide2829 It really doesn't help they act this way, as; Why do the "Elitists" act toxic to begin with? Well maybe the animosity stems from somewhere else, hate just brews more hate.
Besides, they cannot explain what their "Easy Mode" would entail, you know how they keep advocating for it while using their "parental responsibilities" as an excuse, among others? Well I asked them how they would make Anor Londo easier, by adding not only it seldomly uses enemies, so removing people would make the area empty, but even with damage reduction, it doesn't prevent the infamous Silver Knight Archer to push you off the edge, you'd still die as many times to the void. They have yet to give me good arguments on my points on why Dark Souls CAN'T have an Easy Mode, I didn't say "shouldn't".
Melee people tend to forget mages have no defense they are usually one shot killed.
You bought the game, play it how you want
But ffs people try to brag about beating a boss first try after using mimic tear, dual great stars bleed life steal build to a rl1 player after sitting in mohgwyn palace for 2 days
Its fine to use anything, but these people rating bosses or saying something is easy is instantly invalid and adds nothing of value to the conversation
I mean wtf?? You do you assume the normal way to play the game is a fucking challenge run??
I 100% DOUBT that when people tell you "oh I think the God of War fight with the first Valkyrie was hard" that you expect that the person is talking about fighting the boss without any items, or any powerups or without using specific skills. You ABSOLUTELY assume they are using everything the game let's you use
Why the flying fuck people think differently ONLY when it's a Fromsoftware game?? It's the dumbest shit ever. I am absolutely sure the same is not how people behave when others games are considered. It's actually brain-dead
@@Legnica148
You are actually brain dead one if think a story game like god of war is the same as souls likes. It was always a game about challenge, the theme and the game is about a lowly tarnished overcoming the impossible
Many people like to bring up that Miyazaki said he uses mimic tear, but you forget that he said that he is using it because he said he is bad at the game. For some reasons every er player has a huge ego despite using the most optimal shit in the game. I sl1d er but I wouldnt consider myself good, everyone can do it, all games are made to be beaten.
All Im saying is that yes, you beat the game, you beat all bosses, but you dont know the bossfight if you spammed malenia to death with cheese tactics. The problem is that these people brag and complain all the time about movesets they dont understand, hit and hurtboxes, while they dont even know whats the difference between a hitbox hurtbox or pushbox, hyper armor and poise, stagger or stance break
@@Legnica148and its the same with monster hunter, devil may cry, metal gear rising, all fighting game characters and even stealth archery in skyrim is the boring way of playing the game
Even in mario the tanuky suit is a feature made for people who cant play the game normaly
And then there's the "beat the boss before it got nerfed" mentality
To be fair, don't know why bosses need to be nerfed. Unless there's some truly crazy stuff going on they should just keep them as designed. Don't know exactly what was going on with Radahn in DLC according to players but I don't feel it was warranted.
At this point, anything FromSoft is tainted. A unique company that still produces dark fantasy, something rare nowadays, and its tainted.
The community will attack you over any little thing and content creators act very hypocritical and with immense cognitive dissonance when they bring FromSoft up. I'm really tired of FromSoft. Souls games are not even the best action RPGs on the market. Or hard. They're not even that hard, especially with how many broken options you can use.
I'm curious as to what action RPGs you think are "better."
Also yeah, I've heard bad things about the souls community. I just refuse to engage or interact with ANY gaming community for the most part outside of smaller circles (such as with friends) or the occasional response to a comment like this. It's just not worth the headache
I actually really enjoyed my playthrough as a wizard. I didn't find it easier than melee builds overall, some bosses were actually nearly impossible without summons to buy some casting time.
From a Bloodborne snob myself I have stayed away from Elden Ring for alot of what you just said of peoples opinions on META META META. I hate meta build #'s and a pocket of the Soulsborne tryhard content community. Havent touched it still
just imagine a pilot going, "oh you got a kill with the F-35? you didn't truly get a kill until you've done it with a crop duster"
Lolol
And its all because people love to title this game as "difficult" lmao its a game. You do the same shit as every other game die➡️ repeat ➡️ learn ➡️ get better ➡️ win
I joined Dark Souls with 3 in around 2019, 2020 or so. My end builds have always been High Vigor/Vitality Heavy armor Strength builds. I love these games, a lot, Dark Souls II being my favourite. I joined the souls community right before the "You arent playing the game correctly" purge that Elden Ring brought. Sure, it was there beforehand, but not nearly as bad. My first and only response to the people who regurgitate this garbage is that if its in the game, and you want to use it, use it. These games are in my mind, action puzzle games. Each boss and area is a puzzle, and with enough time they can be overcome, it is sinply choosing the answer that is easiest or the most fun for you to do, sometimes challenging yourself. Using the tools in game to beat the game is not "Playing the Game Wrong." as these people claim, its playing the game in your own way. Pay no mind to anyone who says anything about playing the game wrong, they don't like the fact that these are fun and challenging games that encourage you to solve their "puzzles" with the tools they give you, they like the fact that the games are seen as hard, and want to stroke their egos by telling themselves and others that they're playing the "Right" way.
I like cowboy but some gatekeeping isn't bad. It helps to keep the spirit of the game alive. Also, mages are easy mode but there is other builds that are as well.
Bro even Miyazaki himself is bad at HIS OWN game yet he still ENCOURAGES PLAYER TO USE ALL THE TOOLS THEY HAVE AT THEIR DISPOSAL to make the game easier.
Me and my brother are playing the game, nearly the same progression, he rocked bloodhound for until fire giant, and then switched to morgott sword.
I’ve been running rock sling crystal sword, until after morgott where I got the dark moon greatsword.
He will not stop talking shit about me for using Tiche when fighting Malenia, but his ass used Margot cursed sword and level 10 mimic tear.
Same mindset as these elitist fucks, like he said, we’re all ass unless we can do ng+2 RL1 with fists
Since dark souls 1 ive always played with str build and heavy armor. I decided to play elden ring with dex and int for the first time and its the most fun i had recently with souls games. Its not a common archetype in most rpgs and the customization allows you to create the perfect balance of spells, weapons, types of attacks, schools of magic, fashion etc etc. as a employed man with responsibilities and with no gaming ego, i couldn’t care less about what a neckbeard say about how i should play a game. I buy the game, i learn its mechanics and what the devs give us to use, i use what they gave me, i have fun, the end. Sekiro has a limited approach on how to finish the game but still gives you ways to make bosses easier countering specific mechanics with your tools and i never see anyone complaining about “right way to play”.
i think the community got so much worse with the release of Elden ring due to bringing in alot of non souls players and just glazing elden ring like crazy becuase before elden ring the community was so much smaller and tbh it was gestures and meme videos wich was hilarious back in dark souls 3
Beat malenia first phase no summons then mimic for the second.
Used the marais execution sword.
Very fun, very rewarding
Who pissed in this guy's cornflakes?
me
I appreciate this video sincerely
Games like DMC and Ninja Gaiden are way more difficult, just throw those in a Souls elitist’s face.
Strength builds are easier, trading and tanking hits is easier than timing perfect dodges for the entire duration of a 25 hit combo from a boss lol
Triggered fanboy: You use summons 😡😡 you didn’t beat the game.
Me: Sorry but you don’t get to determine the correct way to beat the game lmao like who the fck are you 😂😂😂
the lady doth protest too much, methinks
Course not, but every one can recognize your just shit at the game. Yet when someone tells you that you get butt hurt despite apparently thinking you can play however you want.
@@echo4567psn dude I beat all the souls games without summons so miss me with that bs lol there’s harder games out there than the souls game. And why you do care so much about how others are playing. Souls fans are worse than GTA fans.
The irony is that people who can actually beat the game naked at rl1 don’t even give a fuck about other players 😂
This is what happens when you change anything with your formula, especially when your first journey is really personal to you. Ds1 fans hated 2 for that reason. I am seeing thing happen against Bloodborne, Sekiro, and especially Ds3 players against this game.
My point is, which ever game you play first will be more personal to you, but if you play another one and if the devs change anything, it pisses people. Everytime some art comes along that is personal, it has to be an expansion or appeal to that first game a person played. It's the price of success and it's why most art is generic because those artists will not embrace change due to sales. From Software may not seem like it, but they are one of those dev teams who do. As they made Deracine in 2018 and then made Sekiro, which was completely different to Souls before as it is more of an action game.
Dark Souls 2 has some flaws
The enemy placement can be very annoying, It made some run backs painful (fuck the iron passage, I Lost a part of myself there😂)
Honestly my biggest issue with ER is that it's just Dark Souls 3 but open world, not a bad thing but
playing Sekiro years before ER i was disappointed with the lack of inovation and reused gameplay of previous titles and i'm sick of the whole roll through attacks for Iframes for bosses
I am personally of the opinion that beating bosses solo without summons is the most fun way to play the game, as is going in mostly blind on your first playthrough. I think there is a fair argument to be made there given that learning the bosses' moves after dying repeatedly makes the thrill of combat that much better once you get into the groove. That's my favorite thing about these games. I love overcoming the different enemies. When my friends ask me about the games, I'll lead with my first recommendation. HOWEVER you will never find me hating on other people for the way that they play. I do think most wizards do not know how to play the game very well, which is amusing to me but that is not something that warrants hate or any kind of serious argument. Games are just games.
Real! I do think our discussions around hard bosses though can be disrupted by people who basically played a different game from us!
Wow I remember this one haha. It's just a game. Games are meant to be fun at the end of the day. I played every build I could think of with this game. Any build can be OP barring straight hands. I love these games so much, despite some of the annoying shit(that elevator in mergos loft).
mages are actually easy mode.Just like summons and op builds
Reading these comments is so bizarre. Everyone in an echo chamber saying "community is bad!! PvP trash!!!" but what community are they talking about?
Redditors? They aren't the Souls community, just random people usually looked down upon by everyone else due to their confident ignorance.
The Twitch chat of streamers getting into the game? 95% of them haven't even played the game.
I can't think of any other "community" example that fits the description these commenters are talking about, because all the ones I've been consist of the best people I've met in gaming.
If anything these comments are a glimpse at the fact PvE'ers are generally way more toxic than PvP'ers, while trying to gaslight everyone else into thinking the opposite
@@MiyazakisPVPexperience
I couldn't agree with you more.
Well another one sees through the cracks. It might sound like a conspiracy theory, but some of these people have nonsensical Profiles, like Cocomelon in their HIp-Hop & Rap Playlists, among other things like Twerking in a Gun Playlists, in other words, a lot of people in this Comment Section are Bots, they keep parroting each other and missing the point of conversations. Something tells me this is orchestrated to some, maybe a great extent, they may be trying to divide the fanbase, even the uploader of this Clip I found to be bizarre due to similar patterns.
Saddest part is souls games aren’t even close to being the hardest type of game
Especially if you look at the achievments. Some games do "No damage this multiphased bullet hell boss", while "hardest" dark souls achievement is "grind for rings/magic/weapons".
Being gatekeeper just literally means that person has some major mental health issues. Almost all gatekeepers are braindead fans. If you provide valid arguments, instead of disagreeing or providing counter arguments, they will just say git gud. They say that games from Miyazaki are the best, but yet they criticise Demon souls and Dark souls 2 🤣🤣🤣 Most of them just don't have any clear arguements provided, but they are bashing people for being mages or using some kind of builds. Like come on dude! It's just a game. Everyone is able to use everything, even Miyazaki didn't prohibit magic, summons or any builds. And they clearly don't believe they are playing an RPG. Have they ever played any RPG? Do they even know what RPG means? Guess no.
Gatekeeping is a stupid word. I feel like that word was invented by someone who has never taken a test, an exam, any curriculum or had to learn anything if I'm fr
To be real. Dark Souls groomed this gate keeping. The start was basically like so many came and they all lost and you will never gonna make it and if you do you are something better than all the other losers who quit. FS clearly used this pride fostering to make the game more popular. Also stuff like Prepare to Die edition, what a name. Also that the dev refused easy mode with basically saying "on easy mode you didn't play the game" enforced this.
Dark Souls' just good bro. Nobody had to play Dark Souls, there's also Umihara Kawase series which is still ongoing recently and saying stuff like "Hard to master", amongst other games, don't they also harbor this "Hardcore Gamer" mentality? Dark Souls just became mainstream by some degree luck (from what I recall Demon's Souls started off kinda slow afterall), but it was also a good game, why is FS the only one getting whipped for it when previous games were sleeper hits?
There's nothing wrong in not liking it, but now everyone wants everything to be made for anyone instead of it remaining niche.
@@Neon_Henchmancause other fanbase don’t bully gamers like the Fromsoftware fans do. The argument could also be made that Fromsoftware zealots demand ever game be like dark souls. Fromsoftware is basically the Wes Anderson of game developers.
@@Linklex7 But you also have Fallout Fans shit on those not liking the newer stuff, like Creetosis being called a "tourist" for not consuming products. There's always going to be toxic assholes in every fanbases. Whatever the arguments were, I feel the debate has been far too diluted.
@@Neon_Henchman"debate has been far too diluted." No, you're just intentionally missing the point.
A few bad apples in the Fallout fanbase isn't the same as the VOCAL MAJORITY of a souls fans being elitist gatekeeping losers.
You fromsoft dick riders are the worst thing to happen to the perception of gamers as angry basement dwellers since league dropped.
@@Neon_Henchman Lemme see, we got toxic 99% on DS2 haters. We also got these who "Uh SuMmOn Is FoR cAsUlS" (Praising the sun is one of the most recognisable thing in the game, just saying), and there's also sweats. The list can go on :D
This comment section is like a therapy session group for all the people that cant handle some hard hitting truth.
Is playing as a mage or with phantoms "wrong"? Of course not.
Is playing as a mage or with phantoms easier than most other builds or playing solo? BIG yes.
Stop crying, face the reality and keep it pushing. Nobody really cares how you play at the end of the day.
I kinda agree with this to some extent. The experience is far different if you look at it. If you play as melee oriented guy, you are in the fray of the battle, middle of combat and all danger, as mage you are effectively outside of it and either using support or keeping distance.
The experience and vibe is then vastly different, main reason from memory is Gundyr in 3rd DS, he was insanely easy as mage/pyromancer, but a nightmare for melee builds.
Exactly this
If no one cared about this, then such discussions wouldn't even exist. However, I've seen many players who actually believe that there is a “right” and a “wrong” way to play the game.
@@Alexander-pm4pp What I should say is: Normal souls players don't judge others how they play and they don't look for excuses if they play with easy builds. Simple as that
@@UncleGael1999 No one would make excuses if there was no need for it. However, I've never seen casual players get mad at someone else's playstyle.
I only started playing souls likes about 5 years ago when Nioh piqued my interest. I've played a lot of this type of game and I came across a post that basically said "If it's in the game it's in the game" and that's the way I play these games. SL1, naked with fists 😂
First off how can you get mad at someone who utilizes what was put into the game in the first place? Secondly I never understood the whole gate keeping & elitist fanboy-ish types in games (or any form of entertainment) but unfortunately the ones in the souls community stand out! Sucks too because the souls community has so many cool people who offer help & guidance yet remain respectful! Unfortunately they are usually overshadowed by the ones taking the games way to serious!
I dont think summons should be in the game
@@glungusgongus I disagree, summons should definitely be in the game. And realistically, they're just an option, them being there doesn't mean they have to be interacted with
@logicwizard783 I dont care. Get rid of the low skill summoms.
@@glungusgongus Why does it even matter anyway?
@@logicwizard783 The games were better without them.
Most people who are like this should be not only banned for life but also should not have the privilege of ever playing any Games again
I come past a lot of sore winners in this game. Like people have been literally stalking my inbox with hate mail since i “got gud”
Same with monster hunter community when they see you having defense, divine blessing, heroics, or any of the defensive skills you are now considered a lowlife. Especially that guy who bragged about having played world for 5000+ hours, and made a video on how Asmongold should play the game.
The souls community is weirdly competitive for a game that is mostly single-player. Everyone has to be the next letmesoloher. People want bragging rights while gatekeeping how you should beat the game. It doesn't make the game more appealing to shun people for simply playing it differently. If you want competition, go to arenas and duke it out, do invasions. But dont cry when someone kills you with a busted you dont know-how to counter, git gudder.
Just wait till they mald over how different AC6 plays.
Yeah, the Souls community is garbage, straight up. I had a bunch of those weirdos jumping on me because I said that invasions should be totally optional. My guess is the dorks got mad because they'll have less people to troll. Like invasions being optional hardly affects them at all and they go and act like I said to get rid of it entirely.
But invasions ARE optional in pretty much all instances, across all From games (with the exception of Bloodborne and the sinister bell maidens)
@@caulshivers1029 It isn't optional if you want to play with your friends and that's the problem.
@@dylangaletti395You can't keep moving the goalpost lol. It's completely optional: play solo and not get invaded or play with other people and get invaded. Choose your preference and don't cry about there being no choice.
You guys cry so much when you get invaded in ER, when ER is the most host friendly game in souls history. It's embarrassing.
@@UncleGael1999 No one is moving any goal posts, so you clearly don't understand what that phrase means. Also, the fact that you are this upset about something that wouldn't effect you at all shows that you need to find a hobby and a socisl life, probably a girlfriend too.
Stop getting upset that people want to play games the way that they want to when they are spending their own money on these games.
@@UncleGael1999 You're the only one crying you mentally unstable clown. You're exactly the problem with this dogshit community. Gatekeeping fuckin loser. 😂
Gatekeeping is a comunitie's immune system.
Yet he judges people giving tips on lies of p videos
And let me guess, his "fans" would dogpile too? They tend to do that.
@Neon_Henchman Yeah this dude is the weirdest souls-like channel I have seen 😳 he makes such weird decisions and his walkthroughs are horrendous sometimes like the choices he goes with lol
@@datdamadude The dude also has kept calling me a pedo over one video I've made, where I was saying he could've just hid behind a pillar during a Modded O&S fight and where he whined about it, he kept saying how I "wanted his clout and to earn money", again over ONE video. Since then, I keep being stalked by weird accounts, pretty sure it's his view-bots since they parrot the same things like in this comment section.
@@Neon_Henchman lol virgin
@@apbecker Well I don't rape my girlfriend in the mouth like you do, Cowboy. I already dealt with your two sock accounts on Twitter the other day, you couldn't even keep the Tweets up for more than a day.
Time to find a new series to play.
Dark souls fans the people who threw a tantrum because someone wanted an easy mode. Because remember gamers everyone has to experience a game exactly how you experience it.
I mean using a walkthrough for a puzzle game would ruin the point of what the developers wanted, no? And no, I'm not saying shit like "Magic is OP skrub", but rather I see people who wouldn't read the description of Fire Keeper Souls, like it doesn't strike me as being for them.
@@Neon_Henchman Nobody talks about a walkthrough, scrub. And an easymode wouldn't hurt anyone, except you feel tempted to use easy mode just because it exists. Makes you dumber with each comment I see from you.
@@Neon_Henchman lol virgin
Challenge is an inherit part of games. If they weren't every game would have you one shot every enemy and fast travel to the end. Dont like it dont play it.
I think its pretty ironic that when the game first came out I thought int builds were cheap and easy. Then with the launch of the dlc I decided to beat the game and its dlc with an int build. I actually had more fun doing an int build than any other build I've done. There's quite a few draw backs of having an int build and 1 being you have to allocate healing for fp. In the early game you basically only had 3-4 healing flasks and that's it. Also most talismans related to sorceries have draw backs like taking more dmg ect. In boss fights you don't need to dodge any less attacks than you would with other builds. Some bosses even strafe your spells so you have to wait for specific moments to actually hit them. However, everything gets thrown out of the water with pvp but so doesn't everything in pvp.
Bro, you can have 8 healing flasks and still have 6 FP flasks. It's not hard lol. Also, pretty much all of the mandatory talismans for magic users don't have ANY drawbacks except one, and it's slower casting speed. I'm not saying mage is easy mode, but it is easier than STR/DEX/FTH and even bleed (until late game).
@@caulshivers1029 I said early game flask management was hard. Also glintstone blade, magic scorpion, and beloved stardust have big downsides of having decreased dmg negation. Plus the buffs from azurs and lusats staff comes with a huge 25% increase in fp cost. Carian Regal Scepter is the best all around but requires 60 int just to use. Also int is not easier than str. All you have to do is poise break with str and you don’t even have to fight the boss. Plus you get access to the most broken weapon in the game, star fists.
int build are only useful if you're part of a gank if you're a solo invader or a solo host. you just be eating lot of punishes
@@LyllianaofMirrah Not at all, as long as someone isn’t using magic barrier then you have a huge advantage over certain builds in 1v1s. The carian slicer is extremely fast and can literally punish strength builds in between swings. Glinstone pebble is excellent for hitting them during heals or as a finish attack. Carian piercer is very good as a mix up in between slicer that dishes over 1000 damage. Finally if you want to be a pos spammer then just ise star shower. The spell is undodgeable unless you have dog shit ping.
@@ssspike1696 unfortunately mages are not known to be good players. There's a few good mages in pvpso few so rare