Plywood subfloor techniques in a Promaster van build. Watch before you cut!

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  • You need to familiarize yourself with the intricacies of the Promaster van floor...before laying your plywood subfloor . These tips and secrets will save you time and materials. Watch now!
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  • @lkazanov
    @lkazanov 4 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    George, your videos are absolutely inspiring. I really like how you think out loud with us. I don't need to be told how to drive a screw. You talk about the philosophy instead. Nicely done sir!

  • @NealHill0
    @NealHill0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Yes! Subfloor... can't watch enough of this guy!

  • @leoneranger9348
    @leoneranger9348 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The Van Whisperer 😋
    And Vicky's van looks very promising. Great WC idea there. Wishing her well

  • @LilyWasHereMB
    @LilyWasHereMB 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    The chopper sound effect. Nowhere else but on Humble Road.

  • @ArchWayE
    @ArchWayE 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for showing us your viewer Vicky’s build too. Nice to see variants outside of your own mental box.

  • @kurrie.kaiator.2726
    @kurrie.kaiator.2726 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When ya got a fan that comes to you. You know you succeeded in life.

  • @xmiguelx
    @xmiguelx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    “You let the van talk to you”...lol this guy is awesome

  • @briank.c.3647
    @briank.c.3647 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for explaining the subfloor your doing.........

  • @esparka
    @esparka 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like her floating toilet. I share her Georgian appreciation.
    Great share!
    Thnx

  • @leoneranger9348
    @leoneranger9348 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wishing you a chilled out Sunday George ☺️ Thanks for another installment ✌🏾🙋🏾‍♀️

  • @TOTALLYRELAXED
    @TOTALLYRELAXED 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Nothing like having a cup of coffee and watching YOU, George, before I head off to church! Thanks for another superb video! Stay safe and God bless! ( btw, how do you like my new channel logo?!)

  • @kathleenreyes4345
    @kathleenreyes4345 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love the detailed info on the flooring!! And, yes, you are our hero, George!! That was so nice of you to take time to check out her van!!

  • @IppiopaidFEEDBACK
    @IppiopaidFEEDBACK 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It never ceases to amaze me all the information that is available for us in this information age. Thanks a lot for passing on all your knowledge!

  • @Jesus-warrior
    @Jesus-warrior 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you soooooo much!!! I Love you!! ❤❤❤ I am 6ft and I didn't know what I was gonna do but I will do this thank you so much, I really appreciate it

  • @rvwall-e
    @rvwall-e 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are not only talented and smart, but kind as well. Way to go George! You are correct, tho...... if you gave us the opportunity, many of us would love to come and work with you and learn from you. I wish I were 20 years younger so I could do just that.🥰🥰🥰🥰

  • @laylalu920
    @laylalu920 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I watched hundreds of van build videos and I just have to let you know Humble Road is one of the most informative and entertaining I’ve ever watched thank you so much. I’m really looking into building a van and your ideas inspire me on a regular basis. Thank you again

    • @tedbrogan1262
      @tedbrogan1262 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Perfectly said. Typical van builds only show the glammour side of why they think their choice is the beat choice. George takes us down rabbit holes which allows us to see a deeper level of how certain choices affect other issues in a van build.

    • @laylalu920
      @laylalu920 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ted Brogan He also shows us the tricks and trades, that Flipping of the board over the tires that’s amazing and such a time saving aspect. I am so hyped just underfunded for my van LOL

    • @elizabethgolding2754
      @elizabethgolding2754 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Layla Lu ,
      Just jump in with both feet. I am funding as I go. A lot of the joy and satisfaction is in the build journey (slowwwww as it may be). Working it slowly forces me to check and double check my plans for each step, helping avoid mistakes. Bound to be a few of those regardless. I just mean to say that there was never going to be the time when I had everything lined up, so I bought the van and am taking it one step at a time. Learning and absorbing all the knowledge that George is so willing to share with us. He is a Gem for sure. Thank you George.
      Hope you decide to just “do it”, you will find the journey amazing.

    • @laylalu920
      @laylalu920 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Elizabeth Golding I would love to jump in with both feet, but financially it’s not possible. I’m in New York where the pandemic hit the hardest and I’m still out of work and barely making ends meet from what I get from unemployment I can’t be making any other purchases at the moment.

    • @tedbrogan1262
      @tedbrogan1262 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@laylalu920 Good luck on it then. I hope it works out in the future. My wife and I have 4 little kids, so all of this learning for me is only meant to give me ideas of what I can do in 25 years. So much will change between now and then.
      I'm so glad George teaches the "why", rather than simply showing the results. It's the "why" that you and I can take in to a Van build whether it be 1 year or 25 years down the road

  • @rachelavil6598
    @rachelavil6598 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    LOL. I wasn't expecting the chopper sounds. Thanks for the template tips.

  • @tommynikon2283
    @tommynikon2283 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I LOVE your knowledge, experience, and on-camera patter; in addition, your POV camera angles, lighting, audio, and overall production values make THIS channel tops.

    • @HumbleRoad
      @HumbleRoad  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you Tommy!

  • @julierehoric3856
    @julierehoric3856 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This guy is a genius and craftsman- love his videos.

  • @issamusharbash6486
    @issamusharbash6486 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There is a german van build company that sells sprinter van paper templets, which I love! You should sell your templets George, they'd be so super helpful to other builders who are neither as accurate nor as patient as you to get the right measurements :)

  • @MsRotorwings
    @MsRotorwings 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome job Vicky! George you’re an inspiration.

  • @lass-inangeles7564
    @lass-inangeles7564 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ah! I feel much better now that I got my Humble Road fix! Thanks George!
    Glad you got a CNC machine. All the Euro camper vans have a CNC cut teak bath mat in their shower stalls. Now you can make them too, yay!!! They look so cool and are very functional. What about a CNC cut acrylic wine glass cabinet as well? All the Euro vans have them along with a strip of blue LED lights to glamorize it. Apparently, in all those German Hymer vans, the wine glasses stay put and never knock around in their custom acrylic seats.

    • @HumbleRoad
      @HumbleRoad  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh we're going to be routing fools once that machine is set up!

  • @donnamac.6362
    @donnamac.6362 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I finally seen you insulating a van. You are one smart smart man 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

  • @zak-a-roo264
    @zak-a-roo264 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    All the floor info I needed today AND you make me glad to be dealing with a totally square old Grumman, thanks!!

  • @janespanoramicrvadventures652
    @janespanoramicrvadventures652 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    In the future check out a product from Illinois called Therma-floor which is a floor heating system that isn't thick. I installed it at my house last year and it is easy and effective as insulation and thermostat control. Can cut into any shape needed.

    • @jerryw62
      @jerryw62 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Interesting product. Unfortunately it's fairly heavy at 12 lbs per square foot and the R-value is only 0.2 per inch. Being a gypsum product I have to wonder how it would hold up to the constant shock and vibration of driving, too.

  • @petermanipella4569
    @petermanipella4569 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love it man ! “Let the van talk to you “ haha mine has talked a lot to me

  • @JohnDoe_toetag
    @JohnDoe_toetag 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Get yourself a N100 respirator. The N95 is not up to snuff for that task. Want to see you making vans & videos for a lot longer.

  • @DrShonto
    @DrShonto 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So-0000000 cool...CNC machine...Humble Road to the next level...👍👍👍

  • @nrg_fre
    @nrg_fre 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Imo, George is Definitely the Professional Van Man. Always thinking about everything from all angles and situations to create the highest quality of everything. Also Amazing Attention to Detail.
    Doing everything as if he was keeping the van forever, with Options.

  • @linda_lawson
    @linda_lawson 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    You never disappoint! If I were nearby, I'd volunteer to be your videographer because I know quite well how much goes into production. Thanks for all you do. Happy Sunday.

  • @lisavalentine1717
    @lisavalentine1717 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yay for Vicki. You should have done a whole video of her van tour, but thanks for including her. Can you tell us what model frig she has? I'm interested in finding that frig with separate compressor. Maybe you could do a video about the best and narrowest (depth) refrigerators to allow maximum isle space in a van. 😊

  • @BMOC1Mr
    @BMOC1Mr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for videos like this...you inspire us all.

  • @kingrafferty
    @kingrafferty 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love her van! thank you for sharing it with us. You are a mensch!

  • @claudiafrasca-jones5006
    @claudiafrasca-jones5006 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love how generous you are, George!

  • @geoffsimns8424
    @geoffsimns8424 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another excellent video, George - I just love seeing you work and explaining your thought processes - can't wait for the full length movie to come out.....

  • @edbyron3483
    @edbyron3483 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    George, another great video with attention to understanding the base flooring. 👍👍👍👍😁😁😁😁

  • @c.marquez8821
    @c.marquez8821 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You have a STORY TELLER voice.
    And also wonderful designs.

  • @jstoney6471
    @jstoney6471 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another nice Sunday morning lesson!

  • @lynnekerr3890
    @lynnekerr3890 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    While it’s not easy, I can see that!....I’d love to see or hear something that gives a rough idea of what these vans cost. Even keeping it to materials would be very interesting for a Dreamer who does regularly turn into a Doer.
    I’d already decided on a Promaster, but flipping that cardboard around just made me happy.
    Thanks for the info, the inspiration, and the Funny.

  • @margiesvanmori
    @margiesvanmori 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is amazing! I am working on my floor now and this is so helpful!!!

  • @GimpyCamper
    @GimpyCamper 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Looks like a big project. Good job so far! I like the analogy with MIkey... lol.

  • @erikaamac2727
    @erikaamac2727 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great work thank you for sharing how you're doing things. I totally love her toilet. I want.

  • @JonniesJourney
    @JonniesJourney 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    learning so much from you, thanks for all you do

  • @nomadnotmad6196
    @nomadnotmad6196 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Re: headroom - I was paranoid about this building my van, only to realise that walking around the van and standing naturally with feet shoulder width apart drops your height a couple of inches: next time I will improve the insulation on my floor - love your videos and vans: got to be the best on TH-cam, and thanks for sharing all this info with us

  • @Colin_Butler
    @Colin_Butler 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    George is a great craftsman and a super nice guys! Keep up the good work brother!

  • @chipped
    @chipped 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for the cardboard trick!

  • @sandienochs6132
    @sandienochs6132 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great job, I love the helicopter sound. My camera doesn’t have that feature.

  • @jasbirkaur8122
    @jasbirkaur8122 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You r d master hero number one.

  • @rickdejean4649
    @rickdejean4649 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks for the helicopter ride! 😍

  • @donjones3355
    @donjones3355 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for another entertaining and enjoyable video.

  • @dizheller2101
    @dizheller2101 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm watching and learning! Thank you! (The helicopter noise for moving the camera took me straight back to 'Apocalypse Now', the 'Ride of the Valkyries' theme. 😉

  • @assumedprivacy3940
    @assumedprivacy3940 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Flip it and flop it, flop it and flip it. Awesome!

  • @Timeculture
    @Timeculture 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very good idea with the air underneath the floor because air is the ultimate insulation.
    But it has to be kept air tight tho.
    Also, spray-insulating the underside of the van is an impressive idea

  • @holalulis1032
    @holalulis1032 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your detail info!! My BF likes your videos and he's usually picky, he just calls you 'Rumble guy', which is actually very endearing that he talks about you often, probably admiration. Sooo, hope ya keep sharing your work with us :)

    • @holalulis1032
      @holalulis1032 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Someone said you explain theory versus how to put in a screw... that's a perfect description of why my BF and I admire your videos and smarts!!! Nice! We choose you to do our build when we reach that point :)

  • @David_11111
    @David_11111 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    so nice you took the time to meet the lovely Vicky.... where do I join the cue :) I bet it will be long enough to reach here... The UK.

  • @officergroyman-lastoughest3067
    @officergroyman-lastoughest3067 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It’s a pleasure to watch these videos, your problem solving and attention to detail is amazing George 👍👍

  • @ricks.1318
    @ricks.1318 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    LOLOL .... Loved the "ending", !!!!

  • @as6709
    @as6709 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great work as always, George!

  • @greenfrog58
    @greenfrog58 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video!

  • @ethangonzales442
    @ethangonzales442 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m learning a lot from you thank you for giving us the thought process it does help understand

  • @dachshund1245
    @dachshund1245 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love your personality! Just subscribed. You aren't like some of the other van builders. Keep up the great work I love how methodical you are and honest.

    • @HumbleRoad
      @HumbleRoad  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Welcome to Humble Road!

  • @arlcrane
    @arlcrane 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your video's and builds continue to impress, with all the detail you so graciously provide. I'm surprised tho.....at 12:45 you discuss thoroughly covering the scuffed area of the ribs with sealant, yet you installed with only a zigzag adhesive pattern on the wood. It will likely cover most of the scuffs, but smoothing a thin layer on the metal ribs also is the best way to guarantee complete coverage. Don't you just 'love' arm chair quarterbacks like me? All the best.

  • @seidmadur
    @seidmadur 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You work so well George! :)

  • @YesItsReallyKeith
    @YesItsReallyKeith 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think car manufacturers should watch this video and see how Ol' Bill and Mikey are not talking to each other !! seriously though, life would be so much easier for designers if they made a very clean interior without weird nooks and crannies !!!

  • @ArchWayE
    @ArchWayE 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video in showing us. Thanks.

  • @stephenlunt342
    @stephenlunt342 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another awesome video. Can't wait for many more

  • @FrancisRoy
    @FrancisRoy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So instructive and entertaining. Thanks

  • @capt-_-flame3958
    @capt-_-flame3958 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very informative episode! Love the content.

  • @FRZNTYM1
    @FRZNTYM1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    George these are great videos and you do awesome work. Regarding the differences of the widths fore/aft of the wheel wells these were specifically designed this way since that angled wall in front of the wheel well transitions to the pillar for structure. The "holes" in the sheet metal are referred to as access and or lightning holes. In some of the other videos you have made reference to the curve in the body side - that is referred to as tumble home.

  • @MooreDoing
    @MooreDoing 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wish I saw this before I did my subfloor. Discovered the floor curving up at the sides after the fact. I'm sure I'll build another van in the future so there's that.... :P

  • @dandewar4874
    @dandewar4874 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    George, you gave me another reason I want a promaster high roof, the tip on template's for the floor well be a good time saver, to bad my budget says I need to start with an Econoline 👍

    • @ZydecoBreakfast
      @ZydecoBreakfast 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dan, if you don’t mind buying used, you can get a heck of a lot of value for your dollar by buying a Van from a reputable commercial business. My 2014 van came from a company that used it for delivering doors to job sites. They have a maintenance contract with the local Mercedes Dealership and service records were available for me to review!
      Yep, it was dirty and scuffed up but I saved about 6 grand!
      Just a thought!

    • @dandewar4874
      @dandewar4874 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ZydecoBreakfast
      Hi John, I think I buy almost everything gently used at this point in my life. Lots of life changes during this plandemic.
      My plans are becoming even simpler than I expected. I just came across a step van with low mileage. I think the 4spd transmission has kept it on the market, and is reflected in the low price. Glad I grew up driving manual transmissions 🤣

  • @pretread
    @pretread 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    George - I learn a lot from you .. thank you .. keep it going

  • @RJGilman1967
    @RJGilman1967 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for your demeanor and cool energy = your videos are pleasant, engaging, and educational. ✌

    • @HumbleRoad
      @HumbleRoad  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you, Robert.

  • @jdaleske2
    @jdaleske2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi George, Wonderful series! Thank you.
    Given your nautical background am wondering why one wouldn't lay down marine plywood for flooring and possible wet areas?
    + John

  • @Nomadic.A
    @Nomadic.A 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I need to find this Vicky persons van and see how she did you bench pull out bed, exactly what I want in mine.

  • @lorcro2000
    @lorcro2000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Promaster is actually a Fiat Ducato - so it's an Italian design. Which might at least partially explain some eccentricities with differing widths. :) Also, in my personal opinion, you really should have secured the ceiling strips with Plusnuts and mechanical bolts. Self-tapping screws can't help to be potential rust startup points, since you're screwing through bare metal. Also, they're much weaker than Plusnuts insofar as pull-out strength goes, at least individually.

    • @HumbleRoad
      @HumbleRoad  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I agree with the PlusNut theory. In fact I just purchased a PlusNut air tool from Bollhoff to the tune of a few thousand dollars. In this van's install, I will be using very lightweight removable panels.

  • @deborahgiles3649
    @deborahgiles3649 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As usual, I enjoyed the video. I learn so much from your videos. I love the time and patience you take to make your cardboard templates. Adding that little extra spray to act as primer on the untouched side of your ceiling beam is that extra mile or that little detail to make your van builds special. I really like that. It is good that the sound of your soul is faring well today, it just needs a little quiet time. It was good to hear you laugh today. Be well and be safe. Lizard skin spray! What in the world?

  • @maitildamcintyre9344
    @maitildamcintyre9344 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great instructional video that’s going to be so helpful to all the DIY’ builders. Love that a sub stopped by. You’re so helpful and creative to inspire the van community. That helicopter ride was fun, ah memories. I see many other channels now using 80-20 and I’m sure you’re a big reason why. That new equipment is going to be great to see. As always thanks for another great video. 🚐❤️

  • @georgeshaw6207
    @georgeshaw6207 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Superb video. Really relaxing presentation too. George U.K.

  • @richkucharski8824
    @richkucharski8824 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great informative video as always.. Thanks

  • @vita-girl4345
    @vita-girl4345 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fun video as always. Lee, help your Mom!

  • @VictoryMC
    @VictoryMC 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm renovating my Class A Southwind. I only watch these videos for the tips, the humor and public shaming of LEE. :-)

  • @ToniReviews
    @ToniReviews 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just stumbled across your channel, and really enjoyed that!

  • @tonydel1139
    @tonydel1139 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you George!

  • @seven_o_savage
    @seven_o_savage 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love it George!

  • @AventureroViejaEscuelaAVE
    @AventureroViejaEscuelaAVE ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi, how do you stick insulation to van walls, what kind of glue....tks and congrats

  • @j-suncamp6326
    @j-suncamp6326 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome videos great job!!!!

  • @lemonherb1
    @lemonherb1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wonder if you could use a product from the home construction world. There's a product called Zip R sheathing. It's an insulated and sealed sheathing material to act as a thermal break on wall studs to reduce thermal bridging from the wood framing of the house.
    Normally it's meant to be used as sheathing on the walls, but if it can be used on the floor, it might be a way to provide a thermal break on the floor for your future builds

    • @HumbleRoad
      @HumbleRoad  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have a very effective floor insulation system that I normally employ. In this build, the owner is too tall and we can't even afford 1/4" under the ply.

  • @propertiesbysalkhan3510
    @propertiesbysalkhan3510 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful work Amazing like your videos blessings

  • @stevethurlow6284
    @stevethurlow6284 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    when you use finish washers on vinyl, you should use the ones that are called flanged finish washers, they won't cut the vinyl, boat supply stores have them

  • @stevenno91
    @stevenno91 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm thinking the reason for the difference in width is the sliding door. It is most likely added support because of the missing material where the side door is placed.

  • @kimc8566
    @kimc8566 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love this guy!

  • @thangala
    @thangala 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just love your videos!

  • @johngoogle7626
    @johngoogle7626 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Maan! You are da BOSS!!!

  • @gerlandkent6377
    @gerlandkent6377 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thank, you for you're van build video. / RANDOM VANNERS EAST COAST VA. 2% ✌

  • @ddjwebb
    @ddjwebb 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    New subscriber here. Excellent videos! I'm dreaming of converting a Fiat Ducato over here in Europe, so this is very interesting.

  • @emersonkelly2612
    @emersonkelly2612 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    George, truly appreciate all your hard work and dedication to quality craftsmanship! I was excited to hear you mention Lizard Skin, could you spray inside the van? Great thermal break, sound deadening and no height loss. Safe??? Thanks!

    • @HumbleRoad
      @HumbleRoad  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not sure how safe it is interior. I have to research it

  • @U2JEN2U
    @U2JEN2U 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had an idea of a kickplate shower pan that pops out from under my kitchen cabinet. Utilizing EVERY inch is so vital. I don't think the ppl that have showers or dedicated "bathrooms" use them enough to sacrifice that space. In addition you can cut grooves (to bend) and attach the wooden crossbeams to the front or back of the metal ones to utilize more vertical space since the guy is tall.

  • @franslinem
    @franslinem 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow!!!!!! Great!!!!

  • @livewiya
    @livewiya 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I suspect the channels intrude into the floor space more as you move towards the midpoint of the van's length because the middle of the van is subject to more stresses than the rear. Lol, this is why I myself went with a body-on-frame Chevy Express; too much thought goes into these unibody vans! Unibodies are the better product for most people, but once I start cutting into something, I don't want to try and anticipate all the consequences