Alias Billy the Kid: The Case for Brushy Bill Roberts
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.ย. 2024
- Was Brushy Bill just an old fraud that was disproven long ago? Not according to evidence. The University of New Mexico press said that Alias Billy the Kid was "the product of honest research". The co-writer of the book was a distinguished professor with a PhD from Harvard. Another famous supporter of the book was President Harry S. Truman. The research of Mr. Morrison was recognized as an academic work by these people and more, so why do critics continue to mischaracterize the story incorrectly?
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That photograph you showed at the end always blows me away.The way Brushy stands its identical to the Tin Type of the kid.The way he holds his head the kind of offset lobsided way his body naturally holds it's self.I think your doing solid work and i do think your winning hearts and minds.
Thank you. The detective referred to that as "gait" and its definitely a factor. How we hold ourselves naturally and mannerisms are hard to hide.
Holy , Freaking Smokes! Where the heck did that last pic in this video come from? I am totally blown away. My grandpa who was 5’4 wore his hat like that because it made him taller. I love the hat. I love the stance and the shoulder droop, the gait and the “head cocked “ and general appearance. It’s also amazing to me that he also ties his neck bandana in the same way every time. I noted too in another Brushy photo that the sweater texture is in the same pattern as the old tintype. What a lot of folks don’t know about the tintype is it was about 2 and 3/4 inches wide by 3 and half inches tall,very small and had been messed with by those who tried to alter it. Federal Charge but thrown out…..amazing that Brushy again told the true story that was found out later to be true blue. It’d be interesting to learn more about that getaway gun fight that night , where he was injured in the moonlight. Wonder if more could be found out about that? The more i find out the more I am inclined to agree with the President that Brushy Bill was not treated fairly. If I had been him, I’d definitely been afraid to meet and with policemen and Pat Garrett’s kin and any mockery taking place. Anyway thanks for the great video and approach to the subject at hand. I also did not realize the Author’s credentials. Excellent video.Thank you.
That last pic is a bronc buster in the rough riders. Exactly what Brushy said he did amd there he is. ...pinky ring and all.
@@aliasbillythekid His Kerchief/ Bandana around neck is always worn the same way.
I like how you approach your investigating to evidence and not just pre judge as a fraud. Things are so different than back in the 1880 and the 1950 their mindset and the way they looked at things. Thank you
Another great video Dan. I had no idea about the co author Dr. Sonnechsen graduated U of Minnesota and teaching/living in Faribault, MN. Your book and this one are now on my to get list.
Also he was born in Fonda, Iowa about 38 miles due north of where I currently am in Iowa.
Thank you. I appreciate it.
Looking back, I find it almost funny that, as of about a month ago, I knew nothing of any of this.
For me, it began on a rainy day where I decided to give a re-watch of both Young Guns movies, of which I hadn’t seen either in over a decade. When I came to the second film, I thought the tale of the old man coming out of the desert to claim he was Billy the Kid was nothing more than a fiction created to set the stage for a film sequel.
I watched both, which led me to Wikipedia, which led me to TH-cam. I’ve been on this amazing journey of discovery and have lost track of how many videos and interviews and documentaries I’ve watched or listened to since that rainy day.
My mind is blown. Thank you for being part of this journey.
Morrison wrote that Severo Gallegos and Brushy talked for hours. I'll bet that was an interesting and informative conversation!
Thank you for this information. I just ordered a copy of the book and can’t wait to read it!
I enjoyed this very much. I'm learning more and more. Thank you for all your information.
Thank you!
Your most welcome
Brushy claimed to:
Fought with Pancho Villa
Joined The Rough Riders
Pro boxer
Worked for Belle Starr
Lived with native Americans multiple times
Fought through 1000 Mexican soldiers
Started Wild West show
Worked for Buffalo Bill as a performer
Worked as a Pinkerton
Horse thief detective
Expert bronco buster
Pro rodeo performer
Was real Billy The Kid
Worked as stagecoach guard in deadwood
US deputy Marshall
Owned a ranch in Mexico
Livestock trader
Assumed identity of dead cousin
Every time I see one of your videos, I see more and more evidence that Brushy was Billy. I also remember what his wife said about Brushy, after he was gone!
I think Brushy was Billy I feel if someone after fame or to con others there would have motive behind it normally $ However the only motive here was to leave this world with a clean slate. Would have been so easy back then to start over. I think its easy for many to pick things a part they really haven't taken the time to research for themselves when you do everything paints a much different picture and starts to come together .
I'm almost fully onboard with Brushy being BTK because of the overwhelming evidence. There is one thing that is holding me back, and maybe someone here can help me reconcile this one thing. When BTK was supposedly killed in Ft. Sumner, and Garrett passed the dead man off as BTK, then Brushy said he came out and fired at Garrett and his deputies, but was shot 3 times himself. I can understand if the locals that saw BTK's dead body and the town folks that were on the coroners jury, lied and said it was BTK, because he was well liked and they wanted him to get away. But at some point, someone would have talked to their kids, grand kids, to other friends. In a small town gossip like this runs thru the town like wildfire, everyone would have known that Garrett shot the wrong man and was passing it off as BTK. But no one in the town ever talked that I know of. Not to mention no one talked about Brushy's version about there being a gunfight, and him being wounded 3 times. 50 to 70 years later, someone (many ppl in my opinion) would have talked about it. This is what's hanging me up. I know Pat Garrett's daughter said that her father didn't kill BTK, but Is that just her own opinion? We know from his book that he is a liar, but maybe she knew he was a liar and didn't trust anything he said, so she said that her father didn't kill BTK without qualifying it.
That shootout has always been a question for me also. While there are corroborations for certain aspects of his story like the body was on the porch and it was a moonlit night he seems to be the only one talking about the shootout and we have to be honest about that. He pointed to scars as evidence it happened but that doesnt mean he was being honest. As with a lot of things, Im willing to wait and see. The more info that comes out the more it seems to back up his version of events but nothing yet on this. If Im rationalizing I could say there was a dance that night and back then people would fire off guns to celebrate. Maybe they didnt really hear it as a gun battle? Dunno, like I said thats rationalizing.
I wish there was more on this shoot out. Is there video that discusses this shootout?
@@aliasbillythekid Bob Boze Bell was quoting another westerner who said "It takes two Easterners to believe one Westerner". BTK was probably no different and could have added some flourishes to the story, like his shootout. He wouldn't have wanted to look like a coward and just ran away. But there I go, rationalizing...lol.
Dan, i notice in the photo of old Brushy at the beginning there seems to be a large mark on left cheek. There is also a mark on the photo of 27 year old brushy and on the tintype. Is this remnants of where Buckshot Roberts hit the kid with rifle? Am i just seeing things?
Ive zoomed in on that before and studied it but dont know what it is. I was wondering if thats from being shot in the jaw that night at Maxwells. Dunno but you are right there is something there.
New Mexico will never give up claiming Billy is from their state. The truth is, Billy the kid is from Arizona. They measured the eye sockets n calculated aging and...no, not a match... Read the book; Billy The Kid, The Endless Truth, by Michael Wallis
You are saying they measured Brushy Bill's eye sockets vs. Billy the Kids?
You are a great researcher and an A - 1 academic
very kind, thank you
If only we could obtain DNA from both Billy's brother Joe and his mother (or most likely Aunt) and be able to compare that with Brushy's. Of course, getting all party's to get on board with that just isn't going to happen.
Good Morning Daniel, Another great show filled with facts. Thank you, I really enjoyed it.
People always say "well he claimed a lot of stuff that wasn't true"?.
I think he knew he was still technically an outlaw. I would say a lot of nonsense along with the truth myself. If they give me the pardon then great! If they don't and want to lock me up I could say "I was just jiving, I'm not the Kid.
Exactly. Also, I was thinking this morning. Brushy had fallen on hard times and yet he never sold that 44-40 Colt Single action. He still had that on him when Morrison found him....just in case.
@@aliasbillythekid Billy wasn't a fool. Anyone know where that 44 is now? Needs to be in a museum and not in a personal collection imo
I am subscribed but have also been trying to join your channel but I can’t seem to locate the join button?
Im told you have to be logged in amd also sometimes you have to join with a desktop. Afyer you jpin you can use mobile. Sorry fpr the inconvenience!
You know my mom's maiden last name is carr and before my teeth fell out my front teeth were crooked like Billy's I wonder if I am somehow related since brushy used the alias when he was marshall disappearing around 1890 something.
Man, I wish President Truman could have given Brushy a presidential pardon!
I've heard that certain people are blocking DNA tests, which would finally determine whether Brushy really was Billy. That's too bad, because I believe that would finally prove his story and he could at least be pardoned posthumously.
...plus it would shut a few people up in the comments lol!
DNA in regards to Billy the Kid is a hoax.
@@aliasbillythekid well I know we don't know where his body is, but if they could get Brushy's DNA or a direct relative and get DNA from a known close relative of Billy the Kid; then they could narrow down the likelyhood of Brushy being Billy.
Like with the Golden State Killer. They put his DNA into a genealogy website and found his closest relatives
@@stephanwatson7902 The issue isnt with the technology its with the credibility of the people who claim to have the Kid's DNA.
@@aliasbillythekid ah, I see what you mean
You can make a case for him being Jesse
James or Evans?
Great Video Dan!! Keep on going!!
Hey Dan has anyone ever thought to go back to the very beginning of what started all this? Track down "Joe hines'?
If morrison did probate work, for this gentleman over a land dispute surely their exists signed documents that would show where this land was and where he could be reached. Which could lead us to his descendants. Obviously he's no longer living, but he clearly had family. hence him trying to get land back at the time.
Maybe he kept a journal or Old photos. If he is the one that set morrison down the rabbit hole that some of the regulators were still alive, then he must of met up with them at some point or else how would he know to imply that Billy had survived.
I have always wondered why there isn't more to this Joe Hines character.
I would definitely spend time and resources and look into this. This guy is basically started the whole thing with Billy Surviving and living inconspicuously under an alias and we have nothing on him no photos, no documents I mean I don't buy it, there has to be photos of this guy something has to exist, and if he really was Jesse Evans. there could be a literal treasure trove of materials just waiting to be dug out. Photos , records, journals, old weapons, clothes etc.
This is of course if you haven't already tried this route and were unable to find anything.
The story goes, as I know you are aware this joe Hines character meets up with a probate lawyer, to help get land back over a will, something akin to that, and they bond and he shares with morrison that some of the regulators are still alive but he won't tell him where. This sends Morrison on an adventure and down a rabbit hole to find out.
If the story is true, and I believe it is, and this guy is Jesse Evans, then at some point prior to meeting with Morrison, he met up with the surviving regulators AKA Brushy Bill and had a stroll down memory lane, otherwise how else would he be able to make these suggestions and tell morrison.
LIke I said, I am not sure if there has been any real digging on this Joe Hines character, but if you and Brett can dig up some super awesome rare tidbits of brushy, perhaps with maybe some financial backing from Mr. Estevez, you could make a documentary about finding Joe Hines. Maybe a 2 hours documentary or even a mini-series, where you could have 1-2 hour episodes dedicated to investigating certain people/era's. Would be a great way to drum up interest for Young Guns 3.
Thanks for the comment. Yes, I've been after Joe Hines for a long long time. I have some info on him. He lived with another family at one point as a border, I believe. Morrison believes he was Jesse Evans so that's where that comes from. I believe Hines sent Morrison to J. Frank Dalton who outed Brushy. This is something I'll continue to dig for.
How do we know the famous picture of Billy is the real picture.i know someone said it was giving to someone and said it was billy but what if that person didn't get the real info .I've seen pictures where people say that the picture was a jesse james but not the outlaw jesse .there's a picture of a guy being hung named jesse james so is that jj the outlaw .or when people see paper work in news paper after his death saying billy didn't die who do you believe .and back then like now they wanted to sell papers so a little lie helps sell papers .
Its been accepted for close to 100 years and I dont believe the people that knew Billy the Kid disputed it at the time, they only said it was a poor photo.
Well you would better then me but I like the new picture I think you had that guy from young guns.if that picture is real its going to go for alot of money I see on the left hand he has a ring on it.and they say they know someone else in the picture but didn't they say that about that new picture of them playing crokey.
What about brushys family who said brushy. wasnt billy and told storys like this his whole life im still on the fence about this but when your family said that all he was was a labor on farms and shows in there family bible when he was born im just not sure what to believe any more yes i would love to believe billy didnt get killed and for garrett im starting to believe he didnt shot billy i think it was mckenny who might of shot someone .for one he never tslked about it or wrote a book like garrett or poe .and i heard the shooting took place on the out side porch with a shotgun in the face .poe and mckenny where on the porch and someone walk up to them in the moon lit nite they dont know what billy looks like and walks right through them with out questioning him it dont sound what a law man would do even now .silva grea grand son said in a interview that his grand father said that who ever it was got shot on the porch i think the back part and werent they in the front part of the porch near the gate poe i thing said that .this will never be known no dna and the body could be in the river somewhere or on the land .
Hi Eddie. You have to understand that unethical people use those soundbites like "his own family said..." when it really wasn't his own family. There was one niece of Ollie that wrote one letter. The niece was much younger and only knew him as her uncle because he had assumed the identity way earlier. She looked in the family bible and saw Ollie was born in 1879 so she said "oh, then he couldn't have been Billy the Kid." These were not NASA scientists and it doesn't sound like she was too bright. All it proves is that Brushy successfully fooled her into thinking he was her uncle. On the other hand, Ollie's brother in law, who was closer in age, said to his wife, Ollie's sister "that's not your brother." So, one distant niece doesn't make a "family." but they push that line as far as they can because they have nothing else. thanks for the comment.
Yes it was the niece wasn't his brother name Joe didn't billy have a brother name Joe maybe he was hiding the lie.like I said before it's a confusing topic .if they can dig up the body and find the bullets that could answer some questions if the bullet are from the time period.look at brushy face the photos ares to clear on the phone see if he has any scars on it the cheek and the nose the old picture looks like he was in a fight or fell on his face swollen nose busted lip one nostril the left is bigger but I think everyone's are half your face is a little different fron the other side thanks for getting back to me so fast.did you ever look into bell star to see if there where any writing from her at all maybe she wrote about billy didn't she name billy Bonney. I know j frank dalton write about her but who knows I think he's got something to do with all this .I think he was harrison trow or that could of been a fake name too jesse james used it and on tje wanted poster it said wm something not Bonney you know what I'm talking about.
Wm Wright was the name ever heard of him using that name.
@@eddieboulrice6791 No sir