I met this man on the streets of Brighton today. I told him I was a huge fan and I was astonished by his amiability. He offered to shake my hand even though I had only spoken in passing. Made my day.
Jesus says to the Maître D, “ I’d like a Table for 26 please.” Maître D, looks at his group and says, “But there are only 13 in your group.” “Yes”, Jesus says, “But we all want to sit on one side.”
the history channel actually has investigated corn flakes! The series on businesses that built america includes Kellogs and Post cereals and the discovery of corn flakes. The history channel's people are great, but I agree, Tony would probably have made it even more interesting.
Once again, Tony Robinson did a wonderful job. It was as thorough as possible, without being overly academic. It was a quest to satisfy a mystery, and I believe he was successful.
If you liked the Da Vinci Code, I cannot recommend enough Foucault's Pendulum by Eco. It precedes the Da Vinci code by some years, but explores very similar subjects; secret societies, ancient rituals and ceremony and esoterica. What is great about it is that it is more an exploration into the nature of conspiracy and the human ability to infer any number of connections between disparate data if they are told there are connections. It is also a very funny, satirical look on works such as the Da Vinci code and is packed with history. When Eco was asked about Dan Brown and his novels he said - "I invented him. He shares my characters' fascinations - the world conspiracy of Rosicrucians, Masons, and Jesuits. The role of the Knights Templar. The hermetic secret. The principle that everything is connected. I suspect Dan Brown might not even exist.". Highly recommend.
Sounds like a good read. Lemme check it out too. Maybe create a little connspirasy of my own.... the abdication of the immediate ascendent Pope would make a great start😅 then COVID is a must ingredient. Epstein' s soul would be mad if left out. What next... assassination of Tupac would have to be thrown in to attract the hip hop crowd, that declassified UPA tic tac chased by US pilot would make the UFO community potential consumers and the MAGA mob would also pose a gullible consumer community if dealt right without rebuffing the real book reading community😅C' mon , we'r talking about millions here, man. So no need for the honest factual BS.We need to tread lightly to produce a million dollar blockbuster. 😅
typically pompous full-of-shit Eco. he read Holy Blood, Holy Grail and immediately decided he could do better by the expedient of just making shit up to insert extra sPoOkiNeSs.
in minute 6:18 you can see the side cover of that book, you can only see the authors last name, reading ECO. thought it was funny too see after reading your comment.
Indeed! I mean, I'd rather have been able to watch it with ads than not at all, but how refreshing is it NOT to be assaulted throughout by "piffle" (a word used in this film that really deserves a comeback)
What I liked about Dan Brown’s books is they got people to really look at art and architecture Beyond that, they are works of fiction and tell tale for enjoyable reading
Here's something that you could make a movie about a good god in the Bible and the evil God of the Bible could santan be playing the part of God in the Bible do many of prosperity church's know this are this spices of humanity really that stupid or slow I want you to try and use critical thinking let's try this for low hanging fruit in this realm there's good and there's evil right and wrong the real truth of the Bible is quite simple I believe certain things are true I believe are creator said this love one an other as I have loved you think About that I know it's hard for simple minded person to understand remember to use critical thinking at least try
I liked that it made me question the original high tale. I grew up in a cult I call vanilla ISIS, and it's beaten into you that the Bible is the honest truth, despite being written hundreds of years later and translated a dozen times, so it was refreshing to even think of a variation. Like anything there's 3 sides, with the correct one somewhere in the middle.
@@JohnSmith-yd5wq When I read that book, I thought it's such a jinga tower theory. It's built if so many "if that, then this" and "if THIS, then that"s, that if only one building block is BS, the whole thing collapses.
Whenever I'm trolling through YT vids trying to find an interesting story, I'm always drawn to the image of TR sitting with a cup of tea and reading a book...makes me want to watch story all over again...
I can’t tell you how many times, after an hour of doom scrolling looking for something to watch I’ve exasperatingly settled on watching any number of his shows for the three thousandth time. And they remain as thoroughly enjoyable as the first thousand times I’ve seen them
As with all of Tony's shows, this was far more interesting than The Da Vinci Code. Tony has such a great way that he communicates with his audiences. I prefer to watch his shows more than 99% of other presenters. What can I say? I am a fan.
Same. He's my go-to. But I do enjoy richard Hammond as well. Lolol. But yea, I absorb pretty much anything coming from Tony, where as, from others, when I read or even in school, my brain seems to refuse to take in information no matter how interested I am in the subjects 🤷♀️ He's obviously a wizard. Lol.💕💕💕💕
Tony Robinson doesn't exist, he's played by an actor called Steven Nifty Slovach. "Tony Robinson" was the name of a made up stand up comedian who played the comedy store in the 1980's, Nifty Slovach in reality is woman, but had to have a sex change in 1985 when Dig!, the precursor to Time Team became popular.
Yes he is very engaging, though I think there are many others who are excellent - the historian David Starkey immediately comes to mind. My absolute favourite is the eclectic Jonathan Meades.
This is one of my favourite documentaries. Tony Robinson tells the story in such a clear way, going through each of the arguments and dismantling them one by one. Makes absolutely fascinating viewing. Really enjoyed.
The trouble is he only gives you what some people want you to hear the templar Knights we're not destroyed only the French templars and not all were captured and tortured what Robinson tells you is half a story and by the way I'm a historian
@@robertsimkin3949 - I like Tony Robinson but whilst watching this I wanted to punch him in the face. I have read quite a number of books around the subjects of Arthur, the Grail and the Templars but this 'documentary' was so laughably constructed as a mere debunking exercise it made the term 'research' a dirty word.
This whole programme was incredibly salty, and just goes to show that there is nothing like professional jealousy. The Da Vinci Code has only ever been a fictional romp, and criticising a fictional story is just laughable. Dan Brown's wife (who did a lot of the research) was a keen gamer, and obviously had played Broken Sword, and Gabriel Knight 3, as these games are so similar - even down to the female sidekick. People hate the DVC book because it was so successful. Still, nice the TR can sup off the crumbs left by the book's legacy.
I read "The DaVinci Code" as a fiction book and was very entertained. I had read Greek and Norse mythology when I was a teen and I didn't believe them to be true, but a glimpse into what some people in the past believed. Until proven, I consider this book to be a modern mythology but very entertaining, IMO.
I read the Bible as a fictional story. Found it to be entertaining. Just the account of the great flood. Do you realize the amount of water needed to cover every mountain on earth? Where did it come from? Where did it go? then we have 2 of every animal on earth from countries not ever herd of or known at the time. Not to mention it would be imposable to fit on such a small boat. To repopulate the world from just a few people? We would all have the same genes. All be suspectable to the same disease. All be the same color. Thats a few of the so many impossibilities.
@@leostgeorge2080 I love to watch tv shows, and some of it in the past 5 years i watched over 13x from start to the end ( Suits ).. And allways i find something oppened to interpretation or something that i didnt have linked. I want to say that bcz the 1st thing you should take in consideration about the bibble is to not take in consideration the literal read. This is a rule, and just by knowing the whole scope of the bible, we can fullfill the gaps by handling well the Literal part. Plus, would be needed a knowldge on history and geography and geopolitics to solve this part. Thats why your " read by the fictional way " cant be taken as true.. How could you be fair with it, if you have knowldge that surpass it ( science ). You, flooded by knowldge of mordern science, must be fair with the inspiration of the past and translate it... to put it in a fictional way. till that, even em having inferior explanations in face of science, still a solid question to solve.
@@ryanparker4996 Not nearly as ignorant as you. The world holds the water that is present without global flooding. Your ignorance is only surpassed by your arrogance. Just to cover mt. Everest you would need water 5 miles deeper covering the hole of the earth. Any clue in your ignorant mind how much water that is? Over 50,000 times more water than we have now. Since we are in and have always been in a closed eco system no water escapes and no new water enters. So where did it come from and where did it go? Let me guess a bible thumper unable to answer with facts would say god brought it here and took away after? IGNORANT!
@@ryanparker4996no, it’s you who is dense. How would you fit all the animal pairs onto a boat? How would all the humans not suffer from degenerative desees (look at royal families past and present). Bible is a myth same as Greek and Roman myths are. We just hold on to it forever some reason
If Dan Brown had settled for saying "yeah I made the whole story up, inspired by earlier novels and legends, but it's a cool story, right?", then I would have respected him and his work a lot more. But as long as you treat it as entertainment fiction, it's a pretty good read.
He says something to that effect in the foreword. Starts off by saying this is a work of fiction, and then some other stuff about the material. I never got the impression he was selling this story as a documentary. But yeah, its a great read. Made me read some of his others which are pretty good, too. Loved lost symbol.
as an artist i would say the V is there exposing the support column and window and scenery beyond in order to provide a sense of depth to the scene in a geometrically pleasing way
Keep in mind that Da Vinci lived 1500 years after the life of Jesus. So even though he may have created a painting called the Last Supper, it can no way accurately depict what happened back then, nor can it accurately show what the people looked like. Its not like Da Vinci was there in person and took a picture of Jesus with a camera. In fact, everyone in Da Vinci's painting look like typical Europeans, when Jesus and his followers would have all had darker skin, like everyone from Middle East regions.
That's because the caucasian's hijacked history, and the story it Jesus was based around Ceasar Borgias, who was a tyrant and villain, and went from place to place raping and pillaging all in his way. Ceasar was the son of the 1st Pope, who apparently stole the true story or Jesus and replaced it with their own.
@@Plantandpeoplecarer well no, the Gospels were either eye witness accounts or written by ppl who interviewed eye witnesses. You should read a book called: The Case For Christ which was written by a, formerly atheist, reporter who set out to disprove the resurrection. At least you could get your facts straight
Actually that was a trend in European, and especially Italian, art at the time - it wasn't focusing on realism but rather to portray Jesus and the Jesus story with the cultural references of the time - to put a contemporary interpretation on it (contemporary for them back then). We still do this today in the arts eg. Shakespearean plays in modern dress etc. The goal is to make it more relatable in the modern context I'm not disagreeing with you though re eye witnesses
The Knights Templar were taken down by Phillip of France, who not only owed them money he did not wish to pay back, but also wanted their own private fortune. The church excommunicated them and allowed their arrest, torture and execution, not because the charges against them were true, but because the Pope was afraid of Phillip. Their treasure was from fees, but many of them were younger sons who brought endowments to the order; similar to a woman’s family paying a dowry to the convent when she enters as a novitiate.
I actually just tried to see who the pope was at the time and a bit difficult to find. I recently hear that different search engines give different information!! And I believe it. Anyway I knew it was Clement and indeed it was Clement V. There was something or other about the prior pope having died suddenly and looks like it was timely for Philip's plan. I will tell you that I may have read it in The Bloodline of the Holy Grail by Laurence Gardiner. Now Holy Blood, Holy Grail was just amazing but The Bloodline of the Holy Grail, for me anyway, took it to another level, so I suspect that was where I read it. Though I am a voracious reader I could be wrong. There is no doubt in my mind that there is much more to this story than just poo pooing it away.@@loditx7706
I’ve only just found out that only a few of the Templars were actually killed…a lot sailed away or confessed and were pardoned….some were said to go to Scotland.
Makes it all the more hilarious going back to that one episode in season 1 where Baldrick debunks Percy’s holy relic by holding up his collection of counterfeit Jesus finger-bones.
I went to Roslyn, it's a lovely place (there is a truly sweet cat). A Sinclair chatted to me and proudly showed off his ancestor and freemason garb. No one mentioned the grail, no one cared! It was just a really lovely local church and nice service to go to.
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My uncle bought a tiny oil lamp in a bazaar in the Middle East during WW2. It didn't look especially valuable, but when it was valued many years later he was told it was probably at least 2,000 years old. So I can believe the Roman ointment jar.
I would dare say that the best people on Earth to host such programs, comes from the UK. They have this edge to seriously enable you in every way, and it really demands your attention.
Okay, around the 21 minute mark, Tony says that in the mid-1980's something remarkable happened that re-sparked interest in the Holy Grail. Of course, it turns out that he's talking about the book "The Holy Blood and The Holy Grail," but I don't think I'm the only one who thought he was talking about Indiana Jones. I hope I'm not the only one, at least.
+Greg Dorthe Of course it was Indiana Jones.... and the Grail is still kept in secret US government facility ... we know for sure it was there in 1950's from Indiana Jones and Chrystal Skull. Baldric AKA Tony Robinson is a part of cover up...
Anthony Butler holy blood holy grail was an amazing book! that's crazy. it's really well researched and really well written. I've read it cover to cover twice.
My 25th grade grandfather helped build that church his name was Rognvald Kolssen earl of Orkney Island in Scotland in 1100s He went on to pilgrimage with the Templars and wrote part of the Viking sagas...
@starriderkittykat: Love your moniker. The title I’ve always preferred is Lord of the Isles. Just fits with the Scots and is impressive and mysterious and romantic. Earl or Duke of something is just blah.
I'm an Rollo descendant , Scott family crest 3 black Leon's knight helmet on the top with a arm holding a sarecen sword, Richardson Crest, Normandy, I didn't know this tell 10 years ago!! Rollo tomb is in Normandy France goes back further to knights Templar foundation!! Laurance Gardner book explained our Crest meaning very exactly!! Thank you for sharing.
Foucaults Pendulum by Umberto Eco. I’ve always referred to it as the thinking mans da vinci code. But written in ‘88. It’s actually there at the start in his box of books. Mainly about the Templars. Satirises the whole PS/grail thing as well. Other gems include comparing the Cabala tree to an automotive engine. Great book.
Wow ty for the info. I was hoping most of that reading list was nonfiction. Once a theory is postulated, it should be examined under the lens of truth only. Other theories can be introduced once all known truth is applied. If greater than 10% probability cannot be determined among over a dozen possibilities, or 30% among seven or less, or 60% among two, then the group can introduce other theories. Throwing down a 101 of a reading list including more than one fiction read to introduce a newb to a think tank is not real. It is likely this 'history communicator' took ALL their reading lists, including the advanced, and put them in one bin for dramatic effect. Also look for bias fallacy in nonfiction inspired directly by fiction. The author will 100% reference the fiction, so reading of the fiction is necessary, but always remember that it is full of pretty lies; lies you will not fall for. You must research every claim, listen to every detractor, give audience to absurdity. The truth is felt as much as it is sought.
I consider this book as one of my top three best , but the satyric side of the narrative,(jokes about templars obsessed writers), but at the end the very subtil feeling that i had was that the author disguised with humor the evanescent truth, by point of view, truth is relative....like if the thing was a big mockery and became door on the holy good and evil...
LOL... that's not really a luxury, in my mind... if the world fell into a dystopian state, you could still easily get that if you wanted, theoretically ... to me a luxury is something like refrigeration and ice, glorious ice.
"You'll scrape the top off, I've seen you do it." I instantly pictured Mick, Carenza and Phil, waiting outside the chapel, trowels shaking in anticipation.
What one must never forget when studying the final persecution of the Knights Templar by Philipp of France and the Pope, is that the Order was immensely rich, staggeringly rich indeed. Not only was the king of France in debt to the Order, so were kings all over Europe. In one fell swoop, using trumped up charges intermixed with half- truths, the Royalty of Europe and the Church not only acquired the Templar's immense fortune, they cancelled all the debts. It was like getting richly paid to rob the bank, they couldn't lose - apart from the final curse of course that cut down both Philipp, his ancestors and the Pope himself. 😨
Most likely. Indiana Jones somehow hit the mark on the notion of the actual cup. The Catholic Church even differentiates what the cup of the Last Supper is to the medieval legend. The Holy Chalice is what Jesus used. The Grail is merely a legend.
@Neil Mcintosh --As these men where so wealthy and slept in the very best accommodations each night? Rather as Christ stated."The Son of Man has not even a place to rest his head at night". They slept outdoors or in the homes of others who loved the Son of God. Why would they waste limited funds on things pleasing to the world? When they spent HOURS preaching the value of GODS Kingdom blessings to the poorest of the poor. The meek and humble among the Earth? Get back. You speak Satan's thoughts--not Gods. What use are shinning bits of stone--when you throw away such valuable TRUTH? This was a FUN bit of FICTION--nothing more.
I love hearing different theories on topics like this. Some of these "experts" are forgetting this is a fictional book centered around the interpretation of art and documents made much closer to our time that the time they depict.
What are the different "theories"? Everything in this documentary only considers the fantasies of Dan Brown. All the experts (with solid academic credentials) considered here debunk everyone of Dan Brown's fabrications. Tony does interview some deluded people, like the owner of the Scottish building, and several people who are clearly outright con artists, but no one considers these to be "experts".
You can find another docu on history of christianity and what is written in the death sea scrolls. I think the narrator/ investigator calls Micha or something. Church turned a lot of the real truth of the early Christians into their own narrative to fit a certain agenda especially the denigration of women which a lot of popes feared or hated.
In 500 years time, New Zealand will be underwater and the few remaining humans left on Earth will be struggling so hard to survive in the after-after-time that this type of rubbish won't have any relevance at all. A small price to pay for the eradication of christianity as far as I'm concerned, not to mention ridding us of Islam into the bargain. It's too early to call it for the Jews though; that's been done before but those fuckers are resilient...
With fiction, an author can use elements of truth cleverly intertwined/disguised to entice the reader to find out more of how the bigger story pieces 'fit' together - teasing, calling out to curious minds. Artists too, are storytellers, just using a different voice of delivery. We all see what we want to see, even the skeptic. I think the only solution to finding the truth is by keeping an open mind.
Conspiracy theorists use the same technique and there's a reason that sub-educated countries believe them. This technique is also used by politicians today and have some success either because the average person has no curiosity or independent thought, or because they're poorly educated. There's a reason most conspiracy theorists live or move to America!
The way to find the truth is to examine the statements made and then test the statements with the evidence. I guess you need to have a open mind for the evidence. if statements made are clearly shown to be wrong, than no openness of mind will make any difference. At at least two points Dan Brown claims tht statements he has made, historical events he has made up, and organizations he has made up, are real and Tony shows us they are not. Period
Would a bunch of carpenters and fishermen today have an expensive gold/silver cup with jewels in their house? No they have simple glass/plastic ones you get from the local shop... the same two thousand years ago.
Your mistake is that you didn't explain with crayons and blocks , obviously forgetting that you are posting on youtube, the central hub of ignorance and stupidity...
Anybody who thinks Jesus would need such a lavish cup to drink from has not been paying attention.. More than likely if there even was one it was just a normal cup.
Just love ya Tony! You never engratiate or patronise or endeavour to change. You're respectful of peoplle. Respect the individuals faith and belief. You're doing a wonderful job. Thank you for your sensitivity and respect. I'm open to new ideas and views BUT it always ends in the the same beginning for me. I'm always open to alternative ideas. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🤗👏❤️
If you read "Holy Blood, Holy Grail," one of the first things they say in the book is that the evidence they have gathered cannot be dealt with by a historical or judicial method of evaluation, or any one of several types of investigation. So, the authors say that they use the "novelist's way on investigation" where you can take any single item of evidence and relate it to any other piece in any way you can think of.. In other words, you can make it up as you go. That in itself should be a loud enough alarm to realize that the book is basically put together out of speculations by the authors and that there is no valid historical research in it at all. And, of course, don't forget that the Priory of Sion, which figures heavily in both "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" and "The Da Vinci Code" turned out to be the product of a French man in the mid-20 Century who concocted that whole story and manufactured "evidence" for it, just so he could claim that he himself, Pierre Plantard, was related to these historical figures!
Plantard may well have had an ego with so voracious an appetite it demanded divine blood. He certainly came across as a nit if a smug bustard in the bits 9f interview in this doco.
I hope Sir Laurence Gardner said it himself that his work was done with private royal family papers.... Le Prioré de Sion exist and still there today.... Pièrre Plantard was his job to keep the attention on him and not at Reine Le Château.
What sadly gets missed about Holy Blood Holy Grail is how much it is a summary of the currents running thru the occult revival in France in the later 1800s and in a way it is a captivating novelization of that time period.
"...[The Davinci Code]'s not even particularly well written. But so what? Dan Brown isn't the first person to have a smash hit writing that way and he certainly won't be the last." Oh how right you were. *cough*ELJames*cough*
I feel we should be able to post exclamation points with a thumbs up sometimes. How I hate those books and am deeply ashamed of all women who like them - this is like a huge slap in the face to all the women who've gone before us claiming ground for women's rights (not to mention the extremely poor quality of writing - read like the diary of an extremely precocious 13yo)
I thoroughly enjoyed the book. I never understood why people freaked out about it. It was just well done fiction. So well done, in fact, some people thought it was real! People actually were going to great lengths to "bebunk" it. Silly. He mixed fact and fiction which usually makes for the best stories.
Well Dan Brown himself insisted that all the historical elements are ostensibly correct. The name of the protagonist is even a play on the author's name of a book Dan Brown used as his main source (and then pretended on not knowing this book). Umberto Eco has a hilarious essay on this ridiculous saga.
@@Ghoddal No, they were not correct. DaVinci's painting was wrong. The Hebrews did not use tables like that. At formal dinners, they had a round platform and laid down on cots, all of which were low to the floor. The tables depicted in the painting were the Western style with chairs.
I must confess I still don't get why it was Dan Brown who became a household name, as there is a genre of its own about grailmysteries. Brown was not the first to write about it, not the best of those writers, nor has the most stunning, clever, or creative plot. Still, he became the bestseller. Now, there's a real mystery for you...
Lovely documentary but I must admit I laughed when Tony says "...a secret society that no ones ever heard of..." because.....isnt that the point of a secret society? That its, y'know, secret?
I just love his simplicity and humor how he can explain things to a mere mortal like me and an Old Grammy! He like joining Steve across his European tours. LOL. He goes everywhere, too!
Here's something that I'm surprised they didn't mention... Les Saintes Maries de la Mer. There is a church by that name built on the southern coast of France at the place that is said to be where Mary Magdalene and Mary (mother) landed, bringing with them 'the holy grail'. It is said that they escaped after the crucifixion and fled to Egypt (where Sarah was born?) and then went by boat to France. (I just shared that from memory, so it's a little light on facts.) Fascinating place to visit.
I'm not going to lie - I really want to meet Tony Robinson and ask him if there were any shows or segments he did where the history was so scuffed that it annoyed him... His humility and good cheer both on screen and in person makes me so curious if there's anything that broke him. XD
There was one Time Team episode where they excavated a 'well' and nothing made sense...until they found an ancient sword above some barbed wire. The farmer or someone had planted the objects. They couldnt accuse directly and neother am I but they did ask the farmer.
It’s not a photograph of a moment in time but rather an Artistic impression by someone born many,many hundreds of years after the event. How you can draw anything from it other than artistic critique is beyond me.
You're quite right. The painting is just an artistic impression. Da Vinci is free to express his idea through the painting. I would readily believe it if he was there as a witness at the last supper. Sadly he was not. It's beyond me too, to draw anything from the painting. What we should look for is how the "canvass" was divided, how the grouping of elements is made to achieve balance in the division, the colors, shading, and contrast. etc. Besides all the subjects are caucasians, contrary to what we know now that is not what the people looked like back then in that particular place and time.
Exactly. Da Vinci lived approx. 1500 years after Christ. How would he know anything outside the NT Gospels from that distance in time? He may well have had his ideas and beliefs, and the painting might give us pointers as to what Da Vinci believed. But as for the factual likelihood of what he believed, well... that's another story ;-)
The problem is that right in the front of the book Dan Brown boldly states "Fact | All descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents, and secret rituals in this novel are accurate." The problem is that he tries to have it both ways and takes a motte-and-bailey approach: when people point out how wrong his book is as a matter of fact, he resorts to saying it's just a novel; but he's also the person who, asked on television "How much of this is based on reality in terms of things that actually occurred?", gives the answer "Absolutely all of it." I guess that's like how my novel about Abraham Lincoln's trip with Henry VIII to the Great Pyramid at Giza in the seventieth century B.C. is "based on reality in terms of things that actually occurred": Abraham Lincoln really existed, Henry VIII was a real person, you can go see the Great Pyramid yourself, and there really was a 70th century B.C.-but I combine them into something that is extremely unlikely.
In Leonardo da Vinci’s autobiography, he stated that when you draw women you either draw them sitting straight up and looking forward or you incline them sharply to the right.
@@Cynnas Come on. It's an Italian Renaissance painting. They're all white, they're in a totally anachronistic building, they have a tablecloth with individual wine glasses. John was the youngest of the apostles, and Greek philosophy, along with it's tradition of the beardless youth at the foot of his master, was super in-vogue. And look to Jesus' left: Phillip doesn't have a beard either, but no one's ever suggested he's a woman. And soft, feminine features were usually associated with virtue, while sterner, masculine ones were associated with moral failings. Look at Thomas amd Peter's faces. It's probably not a coincidence that the denier and the doubter have the most masculine faces. The most female face of the whole set-up is the study of Christ's face Da Vinci did to prepare for the fresco. It's so feminine it could be the Mona Lisa's twin, with not a chin whisker to be seen. In the final painting, Jesus' beard is badly dabbed on the bottom of his chin like a last-minute fix. Da Vinci might have done it beardless like his original drawing and the monks who hovered over his every move for 3 years maybe got upset so he changed it.
I spent three years in a Convent as a live in boarder in my teens, and was intent on becoming a novice, then a nun. That was, up until I went to spend the weekend of my 15th birthday with my father and baby (5 yo) brother. My parents had separated, hence I was put in boarding school. ('Young ladies don't need to be at home with two 'men' ) my dad had told me. I cried myself to sleep silently for weeks. While at home for my birthday, I was surprised to answer the knock at the door, to one of the priests from the Rectory near the Convent. 'Hello Megan, I've come to visit for tea with you and your family.' I was more than shocked. I didn't even know how he discovered where I lived away from the Convent. Afterward, he said goodbye to father and was leaving, then there was another surprise. 'Megan, would you walk me to the car?' Our home was on a huge street block, with a massive garden, and the street couldn't be seen from the house. We arrived at the car, and he got in. He started the engine, then.. 'Well I guess you'd better get a birthday kiss.' Surprise. Reluctantly, nervously, and hesitantly, I leaned down, presenting the side of my face. Suddenly he reached out, grabbed my face, turned it around, and put his tongue half way down my throat. 'See you back at school' he said, and happily drove off. It took me what seemed like forever, to stop sobbing and shaking and get up off the kerb. My future should have been as an actress. Once in the house, I cheerily said I was going to study, and went to my room, where I sobbed into my pillow for another half hour. That priest made my life a panic stricken hell until I left the Convent. He would wink, blow kisses, and give knowing smiles. My grades suffered. I though that if this was what I was in for in my future in a Convent, it wasn't going to happen, and I was almost counting days until I got away from there. Since then, every horrible thing I've learned about the history of the Catholic Church has tarnished my beliefs forever.
I'm not Catholic but many of my friends are and have never suffered and happy with their church. It's sad that your mentors were tormentors and you suffered. In fact the "true" religion tainted your faith. Better to be a non-conformist. Your faith should free you! I hope you find your way back and your trauma is lessened and leaves you. Love your life fully. True faith will reveal itself. You must be happy and free within it. It can happen. 🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️
They even did that in the last crusade, pick poorly (the ornate and fancy cup) and you turn to mush. Pick the plain, dusty cup in the back covered by cobwebs and you save your Father.
No, it's silly to think there's some kind of magical grail in the first place. None of this is real, and even if it is, the guy who supposedly left this 'grail' wasn't in any way shape of form the son of God, lol. The bible is either made up completely, or it's a collection of Chinese whispers originating from some guy who was going around falsely claiming to be devine. God doesn't exist and neither does Jesus (as the bible described him). It all made for an entertaining book and film series though.
Leonardo in the last supper is obvious that he has hidden many secrets, I have been living in Milan for 30 years and obviously I have been to see that fresco .. and as many know it is full of codes, there is an "extra" hand and in particular it is the hand that he is holding a knife and pointing it at Judas, he is on the left looking at the fresco .. also the position of the loaves on the table is not a randomness .. the table is the musical score and the loaves are the musical notes, they create a melody sweet when they are played, the face of MARIA is sweet and undoubtedly feminine, even the face of the christ is not so divine .. the three openings behind "the three doors" are a clear reference to a very ancient culture .. those same three openings yes can be found in many other ancient monuments, always having the same proportions, there are the 12 stones of paradise on the clothes .. the positions and attitudes of all those present represent the constellations of the zodiac every character expresses his own figure .. to name one: Judas is Scorpio, in the position of Mars, an unfaithful sign that represents disintegration and death; his fingers are contracted like the scorpion's pincers ready to attack. Johann Wolfgang Goethe fell in love with the Upper Room and wrote an essay not by chance ..
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What I truly enjoy about Dan Brown’s books is the “WHAT IF--“ factor! WHAT IF THE HOLY GRAIL IS A BLOOD LINE, WHAT IF ANGELS ARE PRESENT AND SO ON. We do know of the Catholic Church’s actual hatred of women to the point where they erased them from as much history as possible so what else is TRUE?
exactly this last sentence is simply BS - Maria Magdalena was/is one of the most popular saints in catholicism, there are churched named after her - the eradication of women from christian religion happened in the wake of protestantism - no more nuns, nor more female saints, i.e. female models and guding figures..... Dan Browns mediocre drivel is nothing but a late outflow of traditional English/British/US hatred for Catholics and Catholic cultures.... from the "black legend" about Spain to anti-French resentments....
Time Team renewed my cynicism about much modern archaeology. Francis Pryor could find a ritual in any fragment. The geofiz guy was just about useless in every episode. "And as usual, we've got just three days to do it" -- so much for science being led by the facts. It was led by the program format...
If I'm remembering correctly, the last supper was a Passover meal. The Seder. There are specific cups used during the ceremony. One of which is Elijah's cup. That is what could have been the "Holy Grail".
Good to see that someone has done actual research, and debunked a great deal of deception. Too bad so many were captivated by the lies and symbology of the best selling book(still not even close to the greatest bestseller - The Bible.)
@Anne O'Nymous It might help, in your quest to be taken seriously, if you actually checked your facts and spoke the truth. Then, when people did their own research, you wouldn't be thought an ignoramus. Go check the date of the first usage of the word "symbology". It predates Brown's book by about 150 years.
I'd hardly call the selectively compiled book of abrahamic mythology, kirstian strain, a best seller. 😆 And yes, I know you were referring to Dan Brown's book.
@@GenXJen - Did you really need to be so rude and snippy about this? You could not have politely stated that "The first usage of the word "symbology" predates Brown's book by about 150 years." and let it go at that? Why be so insulting?
Given the flimflam that politicians and churches hand out and expect people to believe these days, Dan Brown's basic premise of his book is just as plausible and possible.
Around 15:30: Chretien de Troyes made up the Holy Grail -- yep. They could've just asked a scholar of Medieval French literature, and saved themselves the whole program. But then we would've missed out on a lot of interesting scenery, I suppose. Around the same time, Robinson says that Le conte du gral is the "first novel ever written." No, no, no. There are novels thousands of years old -- novels written in prose, such as The Golden Ass by Apuleius and the Satyricon by Petronius -- unlike Le conte du graal, which is written in verse. Well, nobody's perfect. Other than saying that Chretien de Troyes was history's first novelist, I didn't notice a lot of huge mistakes in this video. And whether you call him a novelist or not, Chretien is an interesting writer. A Hell of a lot better than Dan Brown, that's for sure. And he didn't claim that his work was non-fiction. He didn't start any of his poems with "Fact," followed by a list of assertions which were not facts.
never mind the clip is nearly 10 years old, and it is SIR Tony Robinson now. what an amazing man and an even more amazing story. and if it is true or not, who cares. Dan Brown's books are interesting to read. SMD he is laughing all the way to the bank. every day... editing and adding,October 2022... watching -Time Team - and - we have only 3 days to find out -, it would be -fun indeed Tony Robinson,Phil Harding, Carenza Lewis and the rest of the team, digging here. And finally i also understood, here in the film, the story about the - JCV - that even Tony Robinson left for a second laughing nad astonished. something one did not see every day...
Really the Holy Grail legend is just like any cult fiction story - people continue to rework it for generations (especially if it's left unfinished - kinda like Dune). But personally I like the idea of the Grail in terms of a quest - seeking is important; it's like life - the destination isn't nearly so important as the journey (or the quest you may say). I think the MOVIE (Davinci Code) could've been an even better sell than it was - if it had capitalized more on locations than the drama of the characters (berk, was it me or was this demonstrably over-acted? Tom Hanks I'm ashamed of you); should've concentrated on the tourist potential that the plot allows - could've got more sponsorship too. If you want a truthful Catholic church conspiracy I recommend a little movie called The Statement,(Michael Caine, Tilda Swinson, Jeremy Northam), not that the plot is true but the conspiracy is. You get all that plus great acting, beautiful scenery AND a very interesting character study - highly underrated movie!
Just because Da Vinci painted it, it does not make it an evidence of a historical value. The true history is buried under two thousand years of speculations, yet who needs an object to confirm fate? It's either one is a believer or not. No one is to tell me one way or another.
I feel history that hasn't been proven is mostly conspiracy. You either believe, or you don't. 😊 Much like the masonic crap. With silly handshakes and silly grown men😂
That should be enough to convince anyone it's not supposed to be evidence ffs. I can't believe they made a whole documentary to try and debunk a fictional novel. Imagine someone going on a quest to prove Alice in Wonderland or The Lord of the Rings never really happened, or that Discworld is a fictional universe.
It wasn't the Grail, but the Ark, in reality. Shortly after leaving it in safe hands in Bézu, the Head of the Templars, Simon IV de Montfort, was flattened by a mangonel stone fired by four doughtly women in the siege of Toulouse. What happened next is his first cousin on the distaff side, Cardinal Konrad von Urach, went haring off and became legate of the Albigensian Crusade. You'll find this in the Vaux de Cernay history. A bit later, the army's headed into winter quarters, when he goes haring off for three days, to relieve the siege of Bézu. Winter's over, and he disappears back to Brussels, and starts building an almshouse, with a chapel, dedicated to the Ark - exceptionally, because it has no intercessory powers. Wind on three hundred years, and Brussels is now the heart of Eucharistic Alchemy - see René Taylor, Magi y Arquitecture, in the Spanish Siruela edition. Felipe II retasks the Escorial as the Third Temple of Solomon, ie "I have the Tabernacle". The last trace I've found is just before Pope Leo XIII's girlfriend gets mixed up in it, Charlotte Bronte, who's living next door, reports ball lightning from the crypt. The girlfriend owned extensive property in Watermael-Boitsfort, and this is where Plantard, whose Priory of Sion hoax started the Grail leg, lived.
@@littlefurrow2437 Axum? There were two Arks, in the Jewish tradition. The one in Brussels was the chest capacitor, a pre-Faraday source of serious electric power: there's no such evidence in Axum.
Just now getting to this one. I read the Holy Blood books when they came out and wondered about some of the same things. They are fun reads though if you don't take them too much as fact.
Omg that can be the problem though, can''t it? I almost wish novels like this came with a warning label: I have someone in my life, already mentally disturbed, who has restructured their life and identity around the religious revelations Dan Brown's "brave exposure of the hidden truth" has led them to. I've even showed them interviews where Brown himself talks about making up the codex messages, and they say "well of course he has to pretend it's not real or the Illuminati from the Vatican will disappear him..." Not everyone can distinguish this type of fiction writing from reality. Of course none of this is Dan Brown's fault: it's the schizophrenia fault, but when someone believes they are the reincarnation of Mary Magdalene, and the second coming will happen when they follow the Priory of Scion's trail to their former body, because they read The Da Vinci Code...it's hard to not be just a touch irritated with Mr. Brown. Just a smidge.
Unfortunately, judging from this, the co-author of that book seems to take it as fact. Which annoys me more than anything. If Dan Brown or this chap want to write a book that is fine. Until you try to sell it as fact. And you can see it here. When confronted with the fact that there is no evidence that the cathars were in possession of any kind of secret, his reaction and response says it all. "Well the inqusition went to great lengths to wipe them out, that means they must have been in possession of a secret". Or you know they wiped them out because they were a sect that didn't follow church doctrine. Clearly, he believes what he wrote and it wasn't just a work of fiction.
In the world of secrets, ancient lore, Tony Robinson ventures to explore. The Real Da Vinci Code, a quest profound, Unraveling mysteries that still abound. With keen insight and a curious mind, He leaves no stone or parchment behind. From cryptic symbols to hidden art, The enigma of Da Vinci, he'll impart. From the Mona Lisa's cryptic smile, To codes and riddles that span a mile, Leonardo's genius, beyond compare, Tony delves into the secrets buried there. The Holy Grail, a fabled quest, Intrigues and puzzles put to the test. From the Louvre to ancient scrolls, Tony's journey unearths the hidden roles. With history's pages and secrets untold, The Real Da Vinci Code, a story unfolds. Tony Robinson, a modern-day sleuth, Reveals the mysteries, uncovering truth. So join the adventure, as Tony guides the way, Through the secrets of Da Vinci, in the light of day. In this quest for knowledge, the code's true face, Is unveiled, as history finds its rightful place.
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As much as I love Tony I think he missed the mark in his closing statements I dont think that the take away of the book was to know its untrue like a romance novel I think that it did what a good book should do it sparked a public debate it got people talking about things that had long gone stagnant and slipped into the slow death of dogma. How many people watched this with little knowledge of further church knowledge and how many left here and went on to other sources to learn more. That's an amazing feat for any author whichever side your on you gotta respect that...
@@lizardog Funny, because I had no issues reading it either. Maybe Phil's eyes need some help... Or maybe... Phil is emotionally charged. Cheers Connie.
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What actually happened after the last supper? Did a bus boy come in and clean up the table. Throwing all the cups and dishes into a basket for washing?
And Dan Brown wasn't even original in the 20th century when turning grail fantasies into a murder mystery novel. A far superior, and far better one is Umberto Eco's "Foucault's Pendulum" which predates it by several years. Far less known, because the advertising budget was far smaller, and no movie was made out of it, it's far better written.
jwenting Foucault's Pendulum was good. Dan Brown's book was such a rip off of Holy Blood, Holy Grail of which Eco's book is supposed to debunk. I knew the ending of Brown's book before I was even half way through it... I just kept thinking this is such a rip off... how Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln failed to get royalties out of Brown is beyond me, especially as Brown admits that some of the characters in his book are anagrams of their names. I would be well pissed off if it had happened to me.
Nymeria Meliae My experience exactly. I had read 'Holy Blood Holy Grail' and MANY years later read 'The Da Vinci Code' I actually checked to see if Dan Brown had anything to do with the first book, because I thought he must be one of the authors who had written a novelization of it. Then of course when I found he was not connected with the original authors I thought: "Well I hope they get some money out him because it's a the same bloody story." Anyway this documentary was fantastic because it gave me lots of facts, and joined the dots as to how the whole 'affair' came about. I'm enjoying being a sceptic for the first time in my life. :) Also read 'Foucault's Pendulum' now that's a real work of literature. *However I am with Tony on Mary/John in 'The Last Supper' - that isn't a male, it is most definitely a female.
Nymeria Meliae Read the biblical scholar (and agnostic: he has no religious axe to grind) Bart D. Ehrman's book, Did Jesus Exist? about the historical Jesus. In fact, there is a good deal of historical evidence, archaeological and documentary, to prove the existence of an historical figure behind the various traditions and stories. Part of the fun of the book is seeing Ehrman (a Princeton scholar) demolish the numerous counter arguments against Jesus' existence.
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I met this man on the streets of Brighton today. I told him I was a huge fan and I was astonished by his amiability. He offered to shake my hand even though I had only spoken in passing. Made my day.
ive met him before too, such a humble lovely man, he hasnt let his 'fame' go to his head!
+Alex Stein Who, Jesus?
+Dr Verity Strange-Fish I think he met Jenson Button.
Baldrick you mean? ;)
I met him as well when he was filming an episode of Time Team in Northern Ireland, he was nothing less than a gentleman.
Jesus says to the Maître D, “ I’d like a Table for 26 please.” Maître D, looks at his group and says, “But there are only 13 in your group.” “Yes”, Jesus says, “But we all want to sit on one side.”
Brilliant joke and puts the paintings by so many artists of the last supper into historical context: Fact vs fiction.
Dad Jokes....
John S. Richards, That’s a dad joke for sure and I surely got a chuckle out it. Haha!
Brilliant
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I’d watch Tony investigate and narrate a box of corn flakes. He has a great knack of managing a script and presenting brilliantly.
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the history channel actually has investigated corn flakes! The series on businesses that built america includes Kellogs and Post cereals and the discovery of corn flakes. The history channel's people are great, but I agree, Tony would probably have made it even more interesting.
😊😊Definitely
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I just love tony , he really is a great personality to this show.
Once again, Tony Robinson did a wonderful job. It was as thorough as possible, without being overly academic. It was a quest to satisfy a mystery, and I believe he was successful.
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If you liked the Da Vinci Code, I cannot recommend enough Foucault's Pendulum by Eco. It precedes the Da Vinci code by some years, but explores very similar subjects; secret societies, ancient rituals and ceremony and esoterica. What is great about it is that it is more an exploration into the nature of conspiracy and the human ability to infer any number of connections between disparate data if they are told there are connections. It is also a very funny, satirical look on works such as the Da Vinci code and is packed with history. When Eco was asked about Dan Brown and his novels he said - "I invented him. He shares my characters' fascinations - the world conspiracy of Rosicrucians, Masons, and Jesuits. The role of the Knights Templar. The hermetic secret. The principle that everything is connected. I suspect Dan Brown might not even exist.". Highly recommend.
Ha, ha! Wonderful ! 😮
Sounds like a good read. Lemme check it out too. Maybe create a little connspirasy of my own.... the abdication of the immediate ascendent Pope would make a great start😅 then COVID is a must ingredient. Epstein' s soul would be mad if left out. What next... assassination of Tupac would have to be thrown in to attract the hip hop crowd, that declassified UPA tic tac chased by US pilot would make the UFO community potential consumers and the MAGA mob would also pose a gullible consumer community if dealt right without rebuffing the real book reading community😅C' mon , we'r talking about millions here, man. So no need for the honest factual BS.We need to tread lightly to produce a million dollar blockbuster. 😅
typically pompous full-of-shit Eco. he read Holy Blood, Holy Grail and immediately decided he could do better by the expedient of just making shit up to insert extra sPoOkiNeSs.
Fascinating book; Brown is not even close in comparison to Eco! :)
in minute 6:18 you can see the side cover of that book, you can only see the authors last name, reading ECO. thought it was funny too see after reading your comment.
Thank you for uploading a great documentary that was not ruined by 27 TH-cam ads!!!! Ever so grateful.!
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Indeed! I mean, I'd rather have been able to watch it with ads than not at all, but how refreshing is it NOT to be assaulted throughout by "piffle" (a word used in this film that really deserves a comeback)
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What I liked about Dan Brown’s books is they got people to really look at art and architecture
Beyond that, they are works of fiction and tell tale for enjoyable reading
People knew when Holy Blood Holy Grail came out in the 70s that it was just a story. An interesting one but B.S
Here's something that you could make a movie about a good god in the Bible and the evil God of the Bible could santan be playing the part of God in the Bible do many of prosperity church's know this are this spices of humanity really that stupid or slow I want you to try and use critical thinking let's try this for low hanging fruit in this realm there's good and there's evil right and wrong the real truth of the Bible is quite simple I believe certain things are true I believe are creator said this love one an other as I have loved you think About that I know it's hard for simple minded person to understand remember to use critical thinking at least try
I liked that it made me question the original high tale. I grew up in a cult I call vanilla ISIS, and it's beaten into you that the Bible is the honest truth, despite being written hundreds of years later and translated a dozen times, so it was refreshing to even think of a variation. Like anything there's 3 sides, with the correct one somewhere in the middle.
@@JohnSmith-yd5wq When I read that book, I thought it's such a jinga tower theory. It's built if so many "if that, then this" and "if THIS, then that"s, that if only one building block is BS, the whole thing collapses.
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Whenever I'm trolling through YT vids trying to find an interesting story, I'm always drawn to the image of TR sitting with a cup of tea and reading a book...makes me want to watch story all over again...
I can’t tell you how many times, after an hour of doom scrolling looking for something to watch I’ve exasperatingly settled on watching any number of his shows for the three thousandth time. And they remain as thoroughly enjoyable as the first thousand times I’ve seen them
As with all of Tony's shows, this was far more interesting than The Da Vinci Code. Tony has such a great way that he communicates with his audiences. I prefer to watch his shows more than 99% of other presenters. What can I say? I am a fan.
Same. He's my go-to. But I do enjoy richard Hammond as well. Lolol. But yea, I absorb pretty much anything coming from Tony, where as, from others, when I read or even in school, my brain seems to refuse to take in information no matter how interested I am in the subjects 🤷♀️
He's obviously a wizard. Lol.💕💕💕💕
Tony Robinson doesn't exist, he's played by an actor called Steven Nifty Slovach. "Tony Robinson" was the name of a made up stand up comedian who played the comedy store in the 1980's, Nifty Slovach in reality is woman, but had to have a sex change in 1985 when Dig!, the precursor to Time Team became popular.
LOVE Time Team, the tv show he was on
@Lori Hoop I loved Time Team too!
Yes he is very engaging, though I think there are many others who are excellent - the historian David Starkey immediately comes to mind. My absolute favourite is the eclectic Jonathan Meades.
The best part of the whole show was when Tony offered to bring in the Time Team to excavate the church in Scotland, and the fellow's response!
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The Scottish Freemasons would love that 😂
This is one of my favourite documentaries. Tony Robinson tells the story in such a clear way, going through each of the arguments and dismantling them one by one. Makes absolutely fascinating viewing. Really enjoyed.
The trouble is he only gives you what some people want you to hear the templar Knights we're not destroyed only the French templars and not all were captured and tortured what Robinson tells you is half a story and by the way I'm a historian
@@robertsimkin3949 - I like Tony Robinson but whilst watching this I wanted to punch him in the face. I have read quite a number of books around the subjects of Arthur, the Grail and the Templars but this 'documentary' was so laughably constructed as a mere debunking exercise it made the term 'research' a dirty word.
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This whole programme was incredibly salty, and just goes to show that there is nothing like professional jealousy. The Da Vinci Code has only ever been a fictional romp, and criticising a fictional story is just laughable. Dan Brown's wife (who did a lot of the research) was a keen gamer, and obviously had played Broken Sword, and Gabriel Knight 3, as these games are so similar - even down to the female sidekick. People hate the DVC book because it was so successful. Still, nice the TR can sup off the crumbs left by the book's legacy.
@@robertsimkin3949 if you can you add any links with the rest of this storyline it would be greatly appreciated.
I read "The DaVinci Code" as a fiction book and was very entertained. I had read Greek and Norse mythology when I was a teen and I didn't believe them to be true, but a glimpse into what some people in the past believed. Until proven, I consider this book to be a modern mythology but very entertaining, IMO.
I read the Bible as a fictional story. Found it to be entertaining. Just the account of the great flood. Do you realize the amount of water needed to cover every mountain on earth? Where did it come from? Where did it go? then we have 2 of every animal on earth from countries not ever herd of or known at the time. Not to mention it would be imposable to fit on such a small boat. To repopulate the world from just a few people? We would all have the same genes. All be suspectable to the same disease. All be the same color. Thats a few of the so many impossibilities.
@@leostgeorge2080 I love to watch tv shows, and some of it in the past 5 years i watched over 13x from start to the end ( Suits ).. And allways i find something oppened to interpretation or something that i didnt have linked. I want to say that bcz the 1st thing you should take in consideration about the bibble is to not take in consideration the literal read. This is a rule, and just by knowing the whole scope of the bible, we can fullfill the gaps by handling well the Literal part. Plus, would be needed a knowldge on history and geography and geopolitics to solve this part. Thats why your " read by the fictional way " cant be taken as true.. How could you be fair with it, if you have knowldge that surpass it ( science ). You, flooded by knowldge of mordern science, must be fair with the inspiration of the past and translate it... to put it in a fictional way. till that, even em having inferior explanations in face of science, still a solid question to solve.
@@leostgeorge2080most of the surface of the earth is ocean. You really are a bit dense arent you.
@@ryanparker4996 Not nearly as ignorant as you. The world holds the water that is present without global flooding. Your ignorance is only surpassed by your arrogance. Just to cover mt. Everest you would need water 5 miles deeper covering the hole of the earth. Any clue in your ignorant mind how much water that is? Over 50,000 times more water than we have now. Since we are in and have always been in a closed eco system no water escapes and no new water enters. So where did it come from and where did it go? Let me guess a bible thumper unable to answer with facts would say god brought it here and took away after? IGNORANT!
@@ryanparker4996no, it’s you who is dense. How would you fit all the animal pairs onto a boat? How would all the humans not suffer from degenerative desees (look at royal families past and present). Bible is a myth same as Greek and Roman myths are. We just hold on to it forever some reason
Tony Robinson makes everything interesting to me he is the best at these kind of documentaries.
Are you Tony Robinson?
@@craigaddecott2240 😂😂😂😂😂 oh sh*t, that got me good
He is England's anthropological David Attenborough
Has your dad been abusing you again, or has your mom disowned you.
@Soylent GoogleCuck ； Really!!!
If Dan Brown had settled for saying "yeah I made the whole story up, inspired by earlier novels and legends, but it's a cool story, right?", then I would have respected him and his work a lot more.
But as long as you treat it as entertainment fiction, it's a pretty good read.
Me too, but he wouldn't have made millions of dollars if he'd said that
it's a fucking awfully written book
Maybe he thought it real
He says something to that effect in the foreword. Starts off by saying this is a work of fiction, and then some other stuff about the material. I never got the impression he was selling this story as a documentary. But yeah, its a great read. Made me read some of his others which are pretty good, too. Loved lost symbol.
you can literally research everything he has written and find truth in a lot f his writings.
as an artist i would say the V is there exposing the support column and window and scenery beyond in order to provide a sense of depth to the scene in a geometrically pleasing way
The book did a great job in getting people interested again in those topics.
Keep in mind that Da Vinci lived 1500 years after the life of Jesus.
So even though he may have created a painting called the Last Supper, it can no way accurately depict what happened back then, nor can it accurately show what the people looked like.
Its not like Da Vinci was there in person and took a picture of Jesus with a camera.
In fact, everyone in Da Vinci's painting look like typical Europeans, when Jesus and his followers would have all had darker skin, like everyone from Middle East regions.
The bible isn't an eye witness account of Jesus, its all man made... the council of nicea saw to that...
Yeah and Jesus is described as basically a black man not even close yo what da Vinci painted whoever that was wasn't Jesus
That's because the caucasian's hijacked history, and the story it Jesus was based around Ceasar Borgias, who was a tyrant and villain, and went from place to place raping and pillaging all in his way.
Ceasar was the son of the 1st Pope, who apparently stole the true story or Jesus and replaced it with their own.
@@Plantandpeoplecarer well no, the Gospels were either eye witness accounts or written by ppl who interviewed eye witnesses. You should read a book called: The Case For Christ which was written by a, formerly atheist, reporter who set out to disprove the resurrection. At least you could get your facts straight
Actually that was a trend in European, and especially Italian, art at the time - it wasn't focusing on realism but rather to portray Jesus and the Jesus story with the cultural references of the time - to put a contemporary interpretation on it (contemporary for them back then). We still do this today in the arts eg. Shakespearean plays in modern dress etc. The goal is to make it more relatable in the modern context
I'm not disagreeing with you though re eye witnesses
The Knights Templar were taken down by Phillip of France, who not only owed them money he did not wish to pay back, but also wanted their own private fortune. The church excommunicated them and allowed their arrest, torture and execution, not because the charges against them were true, but because the Pope was afraid of Phillip. Their treasure was from fees, but many of them were younger sons who brought endowments to the order; similar to a woman’s family paying a dowry to the convent when she enters as a novitiate.
I agree and don’t forget the pope de jour was Phillip’s brother in law conveniently.
@@tracyanne8616 Thank you. 👍 That fact was not mentioned in anything I’ve read about this horrible crime of power.
I actually just tried to see who the pope was at the time and a bit difficult to find. I recently hear that different search engines give different information!! And I believe it. Anyway I knew it was Clement and indeed it was Clement V. There was something or other about the prior pope having died suddenly and looks like it was timely for Philip's plan. I will tell you that I may have read it in The Bloodline of the Holy Grail by Laurence Gardiner. Now Holy Blood, Holy Grail was just amazing but The Bloodline of the Holy Grail, for me anyway, took it to another level, so I suspect that was where I read it. Though I am a voracious reader I could be wrong. There is no doubt in my mind that there is much more to this story than just poo pooing it away.@@loditx7706
@@loditx7706You need to watch the series Knightfall only two seasons but worth the watch time.
I’ve only just found out that only a few of the Templars were actually killed…a lot sailed away or confessed and were pardoned….some were said to go to Scotland.
46:56 - 47:32 Time Team! I can just imagine Phil with his hat digging away, John geo-physing, and everyone wishing Mick was with them. RIP
Two new five will happen starting in September. "Time Team Official" is the name of their channel here
It was nearing the end of this video that I realised Sir Tony played one of my favourite characters of television history...Baldrick😍
Good grief
He always had a cunning plan.
Makes it all the more hilarious going back to that one episode in season 1 where Baldrick debunks Percy’s holy relic by holding up his collection of counterfeit Jesus finger-bones.
When I hear his voice, I see Hugh Laurie in the trenches.
I went to Roslyn, it's a lovely place (there is a truly sweet cat). A Sinclair chatted to me and proudly showed off his ancestor and freemason garb. No one mentioned the grail, no one cared! It was just a really lovely local church and nice service to go to.
sinclairs are one of the 'bloodlines'
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Its going to be one hell of a journey tracking down the "Holy grail". And we've got three days to do it! Xxx
here I saved you the trouble Mate!
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Haha thank you for this, Mike! Made my day!
Hahahahaha
Mike Quirk underestimated comment 👍
It may take 2000 years for others, but Tony and the time team I'm sure could find it in 3 days.
The fact that this video has no advertising, made me stay after seeing it was an hour long video
ci at guy en bach seat,e borkchoo an ice creams....
My uncle bought a tiny oil lamp in a bazaar in the Middle East during WW2. It didn't look especially valuable, but when it was valued many years later he was told it was probably at least 2,000 years old.
So I can believe the Roman ointment jar.
Wow
Great memory. Thanks.
Baldrick and the Quest for the Holy Grail: A Cunning Tale
I saw what you did there Isaac.....!!
fanciful nonsense
Oy Vey!
You've outdone yourself with that Isaac! Had me in stitches
@@miketonon7946 That sound's like my father. He would lie to us about all kinds of things.
Tony's an amazing host; I really enjoy the docs he presents.
I would dare say that the best people on Earth to host such programs, comes from the UK. They have this edge to seriously enable you in every way, and it really demands your attention.
He's a tool alright. No doubt. Misleading the masses... on queue.
agree. we all know jesus way gay
We will never know
He's a Labour jagoff who would put you in prison for using someone's wrong pronouns in a facebook post.
Okay, around the 21 minute mark, Tony says that in the mid-1980's something remarkable happened that re-sparked interest in the Holy Grail. Of course, it turns out that he's talking about the book "The Holy Blood and The Holy Grail," but I don't think I'm the only one who thought he was talking about Indiana Jones. I hope I'm not the only one, at least.
+Greg Dorthe
Of course it was Indiana Jones.... and the Grail is still kept in secret US government facility ... we know for sure it was there in 1950's from Indiana Jones and Chrystal Skull. Baldric AKA Tony Robinson is a part of cover up...
Thanks for the info,
+Lucas Davis I thought he was talking about Monty Pythons quest for the Holy Grail.
I wouldn't know. I haven't read it.
Anthony Butler holy blood holy grail was an amazing book! that's crazy. it's really well researched and really well written. I've read it cover to cover twice.
My 25th grade grandfather helped build that church his name was Rognvald Kolssen earl of Orkney Island in Scotland in 1100s
He went on to pilgrimage with the Templars and wrote part of the Viking sagas...
Wonderful..
I think that there's something significant buried there on Templar instructions
@starriderkittykat: Love your moniker. The title I’ve always preferred is Lord of the Isles. Just fits with the Scots and is impressive and mysterious and romantic.
Earl or Duke of something is just blah.
I'm an Rollo descendant , Scott family crest 3 black Leon's knight helmet on the top with a arm holding a sarecen sword, Richardson Crest, Normandy, I didn't know this tell 10 years ago!! Rollo tomb is in Normandy France goes back further to knights Templar foundation!! Laurance Gardner book explained our Crest meaning very exactly!! Thank you for sharing.
Wow!
Must have the family crest of a flying porcine rampant!
Foucaults Pendulum by Umberto Eco. I’ve always referred to it as the thinking mans da vinci code. But written in ‘88. It’s actually there at the start in his box of books. Mainly about the Templars. Satirises the whole PS/grail thing as well. Other gems include comparing the Cabala tree to an automotive engine. Great book.
Wow ty for the info. I was hoping most of that reading list was nonfiction. Once a theory is postulated, it should be examined under the lens of truth only. Other theories can be introduced once all known truth is applied. If greater than 10% probability cannot be determined among over a dozen possibilities, or 30% among seven or less, or 60% among two, then the group can introduce other theories. Throwing down a 101 of a reading list including more than one fiction read to introduce a newb to a think tank is not real. It is likely this 'history communicator' took ALL their reading lists, including the advanced, and put them in one bin for dramatic effect. Also look for bias fallacy in nonfiction inspired directly by fiction. The author will 100% reference the fiction, so reading of the fiction is necessary, but always remember that it is full of pretty lies; lies you will not fall for. You must research every claim, listen to every detractor, give audience to absurdity. The truth is felt as much as it is sought.
I consider this book as one of my top three best , but the satyric side of the narrative,(jokes about templars obsessed writers), but at the end the very subtil feeling that i had was that the author disguised with humor the evanescent truth, by point of view, truth is relative....like if the thing was a big mockery and became door on the holy good and evil...
Do you know what Eco was collectioning, sorry for my english, old very old books about Magic......
Thanks for that :)
A brilliant book, I got completely lost in his world when I read it. Name of the Rose is also a great read.
Tony Robinson was once asked "what's the one luxury you couldn't live without?".His answer "Hash".Good on you Tony legalise herb!
Robert Elliott ~The yummy food dish silly!! As in "corned beef hash," Not getting high on drugs!!
Heavy use of grass makes you impotent - proven fact
LOL... that's not really a luxury, in my mind... if the world fell into a dystopian state, you could still easily get that if you wanted, theoretically ... to me a luxury is something like refrigeration and ice, glorious ice.
@@jastrajobscura9579 that's not a bad thing for some fellas
Lol... you're joking, right? Hash is chopped up meat and potatoes, maybe with onions. Not hashish
I had a friend who actually thought that Jesus Christ and the disciples posed for the painting
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Why not? If you believe in God, surely this would not be out of the question?
So if people believe that then it is easy to believe that earlier in time Peter actually made church and theology with excluding of Mary Magdalene.
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That interview with Michael Baigent is gold....the looks on both their faces as they both know he's bullshitting at every turn
"You'll scrape the top off, I've seen you do it."
I instantly pictured Mick, Carenza and Phil, waiting outside the chapel, trowels shaking in anticipation.
Best moment of the documentary :)
What one must never forget when studying the final persecution of the Knights Templar by Philipp of France and the Pope, is that the Order was immensely rich, staggeringly rich indeed. Not only was the king of France in debt to the Order, so were kings all over Europe. In one fell swoop, using trumped up charges intermixed with half- truths, the Royalty of Europe and the Church not only acquired the Templar's immense fortune, they cancelled all the debts. It was like getting richly paid to rob the bank, they couldn't lose - apart from the final curse of course that cut down both Philipp, his ancestors and the Pope himself. 😨
Only the gold, along with the Templar fleet, got clean away and left Philip with nowt. :)
What one must never forget is that religion is a political instrument.
Of course. No surprise. The Church was like the present day incarnation of the Chinese government. No amount of wealth or property is ever enough.
And yet their legacy of falsity remains...
I think the cup of the last supper would have been a very simple one. Nothing fancy.
Most likely.
Indiana Jones somehow hit the mark on the notion of the actual cup.
The Catholic Church even differentiates what the cup of the Last Supper is to the medieval legend.
The Holy Chalice is what Jesus used. The Grail is merely a legend.
@Neil Mcintosh --As these men where so wealthy and slept in the very best accommodations each night? Rather as Christ stated."The Son of Man has not even a place to rest his head at night". They slept outdoors or in the homes of others who loved the Son of God. Why would they waste limited funds on things pleasing to the world? When they spent HOURS preaching the value of GODS Kingdom blessings to the poorest of the poor. The meek and humble among the Earth? Get back. You speak Satan's thoughts--not Gods. What use are shinning bits of stone--when you throw away such valuable TRUTH? This was a FUN bit of FICTION--nothing more.
Who cares what you think
@@daytonasayswhat9333 you clearly.
@@michaelshort2388 you're right. Tell me some more about your very interesting religious world history theories? I'm captivated
I love hearing different theories on topics like this. Some of these "experts" are forgetting this is a fictional book centered around the interpretation of art and documents made much closer to our time that the time they depict.
What are the different "theories"? Everything in this documentary only considers the fantasies of Dan Brown. All the experts (with solid academic credentials) considered here debunk everyone of Dan Brown's fabrications. Tony does interview some deluded people, like the owner of the Scottish building, and several people who are clearly outright con artists, but no one considers these to be "experts".
I love this video! 😀
But I never thought Dan Brown's book was factual ...
Great to hear the mystery and the background 😀
You can find another docu on history of christianity and what is written in the death sea scrolls. I think the narrator/ investigator calls Micha or something. Church turned a lot of the real truth of the early Christians into their own narrative to fit a certain agenda especially the denigration of women which a lot of popes feared or hated.
Apparently Dan Brown thinks it’s factual
in 500 years time.... New Zealand will be known as origin of middle earth
Fuck off, nerd
Greg Penismith oh the jealousy of wannabenerd%-
The Norwegians are going to be pissed about that. People in Oslo will be wearing tshirts reading "Norway, home of Beowulf. NZ is our bitch."
In 500 years time, New Zealand will be underwater and the few remaining humans left on Earth will be struggling so hard to survive in the after-after-time that this type of rubbish won't have any relevance at all. A small price to pay for the eradication of christianity as far as I'm concerned, not to mention ridding us of Islam into the bargain. It's too early to call it for the Jews though; that's been done before but those fuckers are resilient...
So true
With fiction, an author can use elements of truth cleverly intertwined/disguised to entice the reader to find out more of how the bigger story pieces 'fit' together - teasing, calling out to curious minds. Artists too, are storytellers, just using a different voice of delivery. We all see what we want to see, even the skeptic. I think the only solution to finding the truth is by keeping an open mind.
True, just as with the fiction in the Bible
Conspiracy theorists use the same technique and there's a reason that sub-educated countries believe them. This technique is also used by politicians today and have some success either because the average person has no curiosity or independent thought, or because they're poorly educated. There's a reason most conspiracy theorists live or move to America!
The way to find the truth is to examine the statements made and then test the statements with the evidence. I guess you need to have a open mind for the evidence. if statements made are clearly shown to be wrong, than no openness of mind will make any difference. At at least two points Dan Brown claims tht statements he has made, historical events he has made up, and organizations he has made up, are real and Tony shows us they are not. Period
I love Tony Robinson as a narrator and host. When I saw the still for this video, all I could see was Baldrick.
Would a bunch of carpenters and fishermen today have an expensive gold/silver cup with jewels in their house? No they have simple glass/plastic ones you get from the local shop... the same two thousand years ago.
yahhhhh, plassstic
glass? they didnt used glass they used clay potery
I shouldn't have to explain that they would buy the equivalent of the time
Your mistake is that you didn't explain with crayons and blocks , obviously forgetting that you are posting on youtube, the central hub of ignorance and stupidity...
the holy grail is your own two hands. cup thine own hands and humbly drink. not only that but we work with our hands... how creative they are.
If they holy grail was a cup......Why has no one been chasing the holy Bread Basket, for 2k years?
Jesus and apostles are poor why that cup look soo expensive
Exactly
Hahahaha that sounds like something Lenny Bruce would say!!!
I do believe in a Holy Toast Rack ...
I always thought the holy grail was the cup his blood was collected from at the cross when he was pierced in the side by the soldier
Anybody who thinks Jesus would need such a lavish cup to drink from has not been paying attention.. More than likely if there even was one it was just a normal cup.
MelonHead1848 prob a solo, or a dixie
A mug with who loves ya baby on it.
Indiana Jones and the Holy Grail got it right lol.
The figures on which jesus was based in the mythology would not recognise themselves from reading it.
We've all seen Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade...
Just love ya Tony! You never engratiate or patronise or endeavour to change. You're respectful of peoplle. Respect the individuals faith and belief. You're doing a wonderful job. Thank you for your sensitivity and respect. I'm open to new ideas and views BUT it always ends in the the same beginning for me. I'm always open to alternative ideas. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🤗👏❤️
If you read "Holy Blood, Holy Grail," one of the first things they say in the book is that the evidence they have gathered cannot be dealt with by a historical or judicial method of evaluation, or any one of several types of investigation. So, the authors say that they use the "novelist's way on investigation" where you can take any single item of evidence and relate it to any other piece in any way you can think of.. In other words, you can make it up as you go. That in itself should be a loud enough alarm to realize that the book is basically put together out of speculations by the authors and that there is no valid historical research in it at all.
And, of course, don't forget that the Priory of Sion, which figures heavily in both "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" and "The Da Vinci Code" turned out to be the product of a French man in the mid-20 Century who concocted that whole story and manufactured "evidence" for it, just so he could claim that he himself, Pierre Plantard, was related to these historical figures!
speculations by the authors and that there is no valid historical research in it at all. You mean just like the bible.
@@nickacelvn or any historical book.
Plantard may well have had an ego with so voracious an appetite it demanded divine blood. He certainly came across as a nit if a smug bustard in the bits 9f interview in this doco.
I hope Sir Laurence Gardner said it himself that his work was done with private royal family papers....
Le Prioré de Sion exist and still there today....
Pièrre Plantard was his job to keep the attention on him and not at Reine Le Château.
What sadly gets missed about Holy Blood Holy Grail is how much it is a summary of the currents running thru the occult revival in France in the later 1800s and in a way it is a captivating novelization of that time period.
"Will you join us in our quest for the Holy Grail?" "Ah don't think so. We already got one". (To his friends "Ah tell them we already got one.)"
"...[The Davinci Code]'s not even particularly well written. But so what? Dan Brown isn't the first person to have a smash hit writing that way and he certainly won't be the last."
Oh how right you were. *cough*ELJames*cough*
I feel we should be able to post exclamation points with a thumbs up sometimes.
How I hate those books and am deeply ashamed of all women who like them - this is like a huge slap in the face to all the women who've gone before us claiming ground for women's rights (not to mention the extremely poor quality of writing - read like the diary of an extremely precocious 13yo)
There’s been a few like that, Twilight, which then inspired 50 Shades Of Grey. Both terrible stories but best sellers.
I thoroughly enjoyed the book. I never understood why people freaked out about it. It was just well done fiction. So well done, in fact, some people thought it was real! People actually were going to great lengths to "bebunk" it. Silly. He mixed fact and fiction which usually makes for the best stories.
Well Dan Brown himself insisted that all the historical elements are ostensibly correct. The name of the protagonist is even a play on the author's name of a book Dan Brown used as his main source (and then pretended on not knowing this book). Umberto Eco has a hilarious essay on this ridiculous saga.
@@Ghoddal No, they were not correct. DaVinci's painting was wrong. The Hebrews did not use tables like that. At formal dinners, they had a round platform and laid down on cots, all of which were low to the floor. The tables depicted in the painting were the Western style with chairs.
I must confess I still don't get why it was Dan Brown who became a household name, as there is a genre of its own about grailmysteries. Brown was not the first to write about it, not the best of those writers, nor has the most stunning, clever, or creative plot. Still, he became the bestseller. Now, there's a real mystery for you...
@@davidlafleche1142 I didn't say Dan Brown was correct, I said exactly the opposite.
@@jonestrm252 If you write Satanic garbage, it sells.
Lovely documentary but I must admit I laughed when Tony says "...a secret society that no ones ever heard of..." because.....isnt that the point of a secret society? That its, y'know, secret?
I love Tony Robinson. His documentaries are the best.
I just love his simplicity and humor how he can explain things to a mere mortal like me and an Old Grammy! He like joining Steve across his European tours. LOL. He goes everywhere, too!
To do this with British humour is the way to go, only British can do this, I love it, education with entertainment.
They are lucky they never ran into the knights of nee while they hunted the grail.
the cellulon triptometer it’s a good job too, I hear they smelled of elderberry..
the cellulon triptometer or the holy hand grenade.
joerahman1 I fart in your general direction
I thought it was "Ekke Ekke Ekke Ekke Ptang Zoo Boing!" now.
I Thought they were the Nights of Knee?
Here's something that I'm surprised they didn't mention... Les Saintes Maries de la Mer. There is a church by that name built on the southern coast of France at the place that is said to be where Mary Magdalene and Mary (mother) landed, bringing with them 'the holy grail'.
It is said that they escaped after the crucifixion and fled to Egypt (where Sarah was born?) and then went by boat to France. (I just shared that from memory, so it's a little light on facts.)
Fascinating place to visit.
When Tony Robinson speaks, I keep seeing and hearing Baldric.
I'm pretty sure he's got a clever plan! (one that probably involves a turnip!)
Thank you!!! Was driving me nuts trying to figure out where I have seen him before.
Not me. I never saw him in that role. I think of Time Team, and got a chuckle over his comment that he knows a lot of archaeologists. He sure does!
I'm not going to lie - I really want to meet Tony Robinson and ask him if there were any shows or segments he did where the history was so scuffed that it annoyed him... His humility and good cheer both on screen and in person makes me so curious if there's anything that broke him. XD
There was one Time Team episode where they excavated a 'well' and nothing made sense...until they found an ancient sword above some barbed wire. The farmer or someone had planted the objects. They couldnt accuse directly and neother am I but they did ask the farmer.
My Dad usta say there were enough pieces of the true cross to make a 3 story building
Maybe the cross was really, really tall. Torture the poor sods with height too.
@Thoth Al Khem Does anybody know how many foreskins? And there are, of course, the nails too!
@@corneliawissing7950 Don't forget the vials of the Virgin's breast milk they used to sell at Canterbury!
How many pieces of Jesus's foreskin?
@@danaglabeman6919 Now see, I've never ever heard of that!
Yes, but what does the geo-phys say?
Well I got it!
It will be all arse ways though. They never get it right
poetdriver that’s all drain and sewer pipes?
I pissed myself laughing when I read your comment because I love Time Team and watch episodes all day
The drink or the machine ?
It’s not a photograph of a moment in time but rather an Artistic impression by someone born many,many hundreds of years after the event.
How you can draw anything from it other than artistic critique is beyond me.
You're quite right. The painting is just an artistic impression. Da Vinci is free to express his idea through the painting. I would readily believe it if he was there as a witness at the last supper. Sadly he was not. It's beyond me too, to draw anything from the painting. What we should look for is how the "canvass" was divided, how the grouping of elements is made to achieve balance in the division, the colors, shading, and contrast. etc. Besides all the subjects are caucasians, contrary to what we know now that is not what the people looked like back then in that particular place and time.
Exactly. Da Vinci lived approx. 1500 years after Christ. How would he know anything outside the NT Gospels from that distance in time? He may well have had his ideas and beliefs, and the painting might give us pointers as to what Da Vinci believed. But as for the factual likelihood of what he believed, well... that's another story ;-)
im gad somebody finally said it kudos mate
The problem is that right in the front of the book Dan Brown boldly states "Fact | All descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents, and secret rituals in this novel are accurate." The problem is that he tries to have it both ways and takes a motte-and-bailey approach: when people point out how wrong his book is as a matter of fact, he resorts to saying it's just a novel; but he's also the person who, asked on television "How much of this is based on reality in terms of things that actually occurred?", gives the answer "Absolutely all of it."
I guess that's like how my novel about Abraham Lincoln's trip with Henry VIII to the Great Pyramid at Giza in the seventieth century B.C. is "based on reality in terms of things that actually occurred": Abraham Lincoln really existed, Henry VIII was a real person, you can go see the Great Pyramid yourself, and there really was a 70th century B.C.-but I combine them into something that is extremely unlikely.
Depends where the novel starts. Frederick Forsytrh used a similar trick. So did Alfred Hitchcock. The 'its real' is already rhe novel and fictional.
@@vetinaris1297 , are Dan Brown's television interviews part of the novel?
@@smadaf must be. He takes that role play seriously.
In Leonardo da Vinci’s autobiography, he stated that when you draw women you either draw them sitting straight up and looking forward or you incline them sharply to the right.
WHY?
Of course it's a woman, she has no facial hair. Jewish men at the time had beards
@@Cynnas Come on. It's an Italian Renaissance painting. They're all white, they're in a totally anachronistic building, they have a tablecloth with individual wine glasses. John was the youngest of the apostles, and Greek philosophy, along with it's tradition of the beardless youth at the foot of his master, was super in-vogue. And look to Jesus' left: Phillip doesn't have a beard either, but no one's ever suggested he's a woman. And soft, feminine features were usually associated with virtue, while sterner, masculine ones were associated with moral failings. Look at Thomas amd Peter's faces. It's probably not a coincidence that the denier and the doubter have the most masculine faces. The most female face of the whole set-up is the study of Christ's face Da Vinci did to prepare for the fresco. It's so feminine it could be the Mona Lisa's twin, with not a chin whisker to be seen. In the final painting, Jesus' beard is badly dabbed on the bottom of his chin like a last-minute fix. Da Vinci might have done it beardless like his original drawing and the monks who hovered over his every move for 3 years maybe got upset so he changed it.
I think it's a coffee mug with " I hate Sundays" on it.
!Sundays? Cross words!
@@kenlieck7756 very funny. Love it.
"I hate fridays" would be more appropriate... :)
Hilarious!!
Maeve Scott or “there are no Good Friday’s”
I don't know if there's a Holy Grail but there's definitely a Holy Handgrenade.
Amen. It's talked about in detail in the Book of Armaments.
Hallelujah boom!
I believe the Book of Armaments is held by Brother Maynard.
That's the Koran. But close. Oops did I say that out loud?
That's true, it's featured in the film Ready Player One.
I spent three years in a Convent as a live in boarder in my teens, and was intent on becoming a novice, then a nun. That was, up until I went to spend the weekend of my 15th birthday with my father and baby (5 yo) brother. My parents had separated, hence I was put in boarding school. ('Young ladies don't need to be at home with two 'men' ) my dad had told me. I cried myself to sleep silently for weeks. While at home for my birthday, I was surprised to answer the knock at the door, to one of the priests from the Rectory near the Convent. 'Hello Megan, I've come to visit for tea with you and your family.'
I was more than shocked. I didn't even know how he discovered where I lived away from the Convent.
Afterward, he said goodbye to father and was leaving, then there was another surprise. 'Megan, would you walk me to the car?' Our home was on a huge street block, with a massive garden, and the street couldn't be seen from the house. We arrived at the car, and he got in. He started the engine, then.. 'Well I guess you'd better get a birthday kiss.' Surprise. Reluctantly, nervously, and hesitantly, I leaned down, presenting the side of my face. Suddenly he reached out, grabbed my face, turned it around, and put his tongue half way down my throat. 'See you back at school' he said, and happily drove off. It took me what seemed like forever, to stop sobbing and shaking and get up off the kerb. My future should have been as an actress. Once in the house, I cheerily said I was going to study, and went to my room, where I sobbed into my pillow for another half hour. That priest made my life a panic stricken hell until I left the Convent. He would wink, blow kisses, and give knowing smiles. My grades suffered. I though that if this was what I was in for in my future in a Convent, it wasn't going to happen, and I was almost counting days until I got away from there. Since then, every horrible thing I've learned about the history of the Catholic Church has tarnished my beliefs forever.
I'm very sorry to hear of your suffering.
Power is sickening
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I'm not Catholic but many of my friends are and have never suffered and happy with their church. It's sad that your mentors were tormentors and you suffered. In fact the "true" religion tainted your faith. Better to be a non-conformist. Your faith should free you! I hope you find your way back and your trauma is lessened and leaves you. Love your life fully. True faith will reveal itself. You must be happy and free within it. It can happen. 🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️
It is silly to think the grail is something gold and bejeweled, or whatever.
They even did that in the last crusade, pick poorly (the ornate and fancy cup)
and you turn to mush.
Pick the plain, dusty cup in the back covered by cobwebs and you save your Father.
Like.....TOTALLY.
It was probably a simply crafted cup made from either wood or ceramic.
@@vector6977 . I know right. Jesus was a poor man. He would not have access to anything ornate or expensive.
No, it's silly to think there's some kind of magical grail in the first place. None of this is real, and even if it is, the guy who supposedly left this 'grail' wasn't in any way shape of form the son of God, lol. The bible is either made up completely, or it's a collection of Chinese whispers originating from some guy who was going around falsely claiming to be devine. God doesn't exist and neither does Jesus (as the bible described him). It all made for an entertaining book and film series though.
Leonardo in the last supper is obvious that he has hidden many secrets, I have been living in Milan for 30 years and obviously I have been to see that fresco .. and as many know it is full of codes, there is an "extra" hand and in particular it is the hand that he is holding a knife and pointing it at Judas, he is on the left looking at the fresco .. also the position of the loaves on the table is not a randomness .. the table is the musical score and the loaves are the musical notes, they create a melody sweet when they are played, the face of MARIA is sweet and undoubtedly feminine, even the face of the christ is not so divine .. the three openings behind "the three doors" are a clear reference to a very ancient culture .. those same three openings yes can be found in many other ancient monuments, always having the same proportions, there are the 12 stones of paradise on the clothes .. the positions and attitudes of all those present represent the constellations of the zodiac every character expresses his own figure .. to name one: Judas is Scorpio, in the position of Mars, an unfaithful sign that represents disintegration and death; his fingers are contracted like the scorpion's pincers ready to attack. Johann Wolfgang Goethe fell in love with the Upper Room and wrote an essay not by chance ..
"Blessed are the cheesemakers"
"Well, obviously, this is not meant to be taken literally. It refers to any manufacturers of dairy products."
HEY! I'm from Wisconsin.
@@pphedup Ah, Wisconsin.....the Land of Curd. Many blessings upon you.
@@Martin.Wilson Thank you.
Thank you ABIZA & ANDREAS 🙏 May the world & those looking for an example, or some model, be inspired by the humbleness Intelligence & aptitude of these 2 amazing gentlemen.
Much love & prayers for you both, & your continued success, productivity & safety along your paths forward 💯😊👍
Looking forward to the next Africacast!! Abiza has been a favorite guest of mine on ur show ever since i saw him on the 1st time.
Blackadder: well Baldrick, it seems that new American novel is causing quite a stir
Baldrick: sir, I have a cunning plan
"That's the cup of a carpenter."
Next, lets do Gandalf's staff!!
@Thoth Al Khem well that was an awkward rant...
dig carefully there should be a ghetto blaster with paint on it....too/
@@ct1762 yeah... Jesus was middle management ...Our Hero.
Full Indy Vibes. Good ole.Jones.
'Baldric and the Holy Grail' He has a cunning plan, and it involves coconuts.
Not a single turnip? I dont believe you
What I truly enjoy about Dan Brown’s books is the “WHAT IF--“ factor! WHAT IF THE HOLY GRAIL IS A BLOOD LINE, WHAT IF ANGELS ARE PRESENT AND SO ON. We do know of the Catholic Church’s actual hatred of women to the point where they erased them from as much history as possible so what else is TRUE?
exactly this last sentence is simply BS - Maria Magdalena was/is one of the most popular saints in catholicism, there are churched named after her - the eradication of women from christian religion happened in the wake of protestantism - no more nuns, nor more female saints, i.e. female models and guding figures..... Dan Browns mediocre drivel is nothing but a late outflow of traditional English/British/US hatred for Catholics and Catholic cultures.... from the "black legend" about Spain to anti-French resentments....
@@riccardodececco4404Ooooo the Black Legend of Spain is totally true.....writing this from Spain right now😅😅
@@deboraballes9044 do you even know to what the black legend refers to?
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You think the Catholic Church isn't sexist & misogynist as you can get?
@@littlefurrow2437 not as much as the Protestants, the Moslem or the Jews... and of course the Wokists....
It was watching Tony presenting The Time Team that rekindled my interest in history. Thank you Tony.
Loved Time Team. Loved Worst Jobs in History. Love any doco fronted by Baldrick.
Time Team renewed my cynicism about much modern archaeology. Francis Pryor could find a ritual in any fragment. The geofiz guy was just about useless in every episode. "And as usual, we've got just three days to do it" -- so much for science being led by the facts. It was led by the program format...
If I'm remembering correctly, the last supper was a Passover meal. The Seder. There are specific cups used during the ceremony. One of which is Elijah's cup. That is what could have been the "Holy Grail".
You do remember correctly. I haven't finished watching this yet, but I'm waiting to see if that "duh" moment comes up.
Exactly but most wouldn’t know what a Seder is, and DB wouldn’t let the truth get in the way of a good yarn
There is also no way there would have been bread on the table... The passover holiday mandates there be no bread consumed for 8 days.
@@natty5129
I thought the "no bread" rule was specifically about breads with yeast. Isn't Matza involved in the meal?
@Ubiquitary
Some Evangelical/Pentecostal Christians refer to the cup mentioned in Matthew 26:27 as being Elijah's Cup.
Good to see that someone has done actual research, and debunked a great deal of deception.
Too bad so many were captivated by the lies and symbology of the best selling book(still not even close to the greatest bestseller - The Bible.)
I mean it's sold as a novel, not a factual reference.
@Anne O'Nymous It might help, in your quest to be taken seriously, if you actually checked your facts and spoke the truth. Then, when people did their own research, you wouldn't be thought an ignoramus. Go check the date of the first usage of the word "symbology". It predates Brown's book by about 150 years.
I'd hardly call the selectively compiled book of abrahamic mythology, kirstian strain, a best seller. 😆 And yes, I know you were referring to Dan Brown's book.
@@GenXJen - Did you really need to be so rude and snippy about this? You could not have politely stated that "The first usage of the word "symbology" predates Brown's book by about 150 years." and let it go at that? Why be so insulting?
@@MossyMozart Agree.
DaVinci appears in all of Dan Brown's secret societies. Man that busy with his clubs, I'm surprised he had time for making art
I just love Tony aka baldrick. A comedy and educational hero!
Can't help but say " It was a cunning plan"😂😂😂
very entertaining,. Tony is very good at his work, love to meet him someday.
Given the flimflam that politicians and churches hand out and expect people to believe these days, Dan Brown's basic premise of his book is just as plausible and possible.
Around 15:30: Chretien de Troyes made up the Holy Grail -- yep. They could've just asked a scholar of Medieval French literature, and saved themselves the whole program. But then we would've missed out on a lot of interesting scenery, I suppose.
Around the same time, Robinson says that Le conte du gral is the "first novel ever written." No, no, no. There are novels thousands of years old -- novels written in prose, such as The Golden Ass by Apuleius and the Satyricon by Petronius -- unlike Le conte du graal, which is written in verse.
Well, nobody's perfect. Other than saying that Chretien de Troyes was history's first novelist, I didn't notice a lot of huge mistakes in this video. And whether you call him a novelist or not, Chretien is an interesting writer. A Hell of a lot better than Dan Brown, that's for sure. And he didn't claim that his work was non-fiction. He didn't start any of his poems with "Fact," followed by a list of assertions which were not facts.
I think I would like to read some of his work.Would libraries have copies do u think?
never mind the clip is nearly 10 years old, and it is SIR Tony Robinson now. what an amazing man and an even more amazing story. and if it is true or not, who cares. Dan Brown's books are interesting to read. SMD he is laughing all the way to the bank. every day...
editing and adding,October 2022... watching -Time Team - and - we have only 3 days to find out -, it would be -fun indeed Tony Robinson,Phil Harding, Carenza Lewis and the rest of the team, digging here.
And finally i also understood, here in the film, the story about the - JCV - that even Tony Robinson left for a second laughing nad astonished. something one did not see every day...
Yes Tony researched no royalty since 1500s,but still got knighted by false royalty.
Really the Holy Grail legend is just like any cult fiction story - people continue to rework it for generations (especially if it's left unfinished - kinda like Dune).
But personally I like the idea of the Grail in terms of a quest - seeking is important; it's like life - the destination isn't nearly so important as the journey (or the quest you may say).
I think the MOVIE (Davinci Code) could've been an even better sell than it was - if it had capitalized more on locations than the drama of the characters (berk, was it me or was this demonstrably over-acted? Tom Hanks I'm ashamed of you); should've concentrated on the tourist potential that the plot allows - could've got more sponsorship too.
If you want a truthful Catholic church conspiracy I recommend a little movie called The Statement,(Michael Caine, Tilda Swinson, Jeremy Northam), not that the plot is true but the conspiracy is. You get all that plus great acting, beautiful scenery AND a very interesting character study - highly underrated movie!
Just because Da Vinci painted it, it does not make it an evidence of a historical value. The true history is buried under two thousand years of speculations, yet who needs an object to confirm fate? It's either one is a believer or not. No one is to tell me one way or another.
I feel history that hasn't been proven is mostly conspiracy. You either believe, or you don't. 😊 Much like the masonic crap. With silly handshakes and silly grown men😂
Dan Brown is laughing all the way to the bank.
You can find his book in the FICTION section.
That should be enough to convince anyone it's not supposed to be evidence ffs. I can't believe they made a whole documentary to try and debunk a fictional novel. Imagine someone going on a quest to prove Alice in Wonderland or The Lord of the Rings never really happened, or that Discworld is a fictional universe.
@@loud6037 The guy cleaned up Ha
Imagine thinking the Bible isn't fiction too.
Tony is so thorough in his research. Kudos to Tony.
Thank you, Reijer.
His research??
@@monkeytennis8861 Exactly!
How he did not burst out laughing when he came out with that egg cup lol. Classic.
Yes. It did look like an egg cup. I thought no it isn't the holy grail. 😳.
It wasn't the Grail, but the Ark, in reality. Shortly after leaving it in safe hands in Bézu, the Head of the Templars, Simon IV de Montfort, was flattened by a mangonel stone fired by four doughtly women in the siege of Toulouse. What happened next is his first cousin on the distaff side, Cardinal Konrad von Urach, went haring off and became legate of the Albigensian Crusade. You'll find this in the Vaux de Cernay history. A bit later, the army's headed into winter quarters, when he goes haring off for three days, to relieve the siege of Bézu. Winter's over, and he disappears back to Brussels, and starts building an almshouse, with a chapel, dedicated to the Ark - exceptionally, because it has no intercessory powers. Wind on three hundred years, and Brussels is now the heart of Eucharistic Alchemy - see René Taylor, Magi y Arquitecture, in the Spanish Siruela edition. Felipe II retasks the Escorial as the Third Temple of Solomon, ie "I have the Tabernacle". The last trace I've found is just before Pope Leo XIII's girlfriend gets mixed up in it, Charlotte Bronte, who's living next door, reports ball lightning from the crypt.
The girlfriend owned extensive property in Watermael-Boitsfort, and this is where Plantard, whose Priory of Sion hoax started the Grail leg, lived.
I see you haven't been to Ethiopia recently.
@@littlefurrow2437 Axum? There were two Arks, in the Jewish tradition. The one in Brussels was the chest capacitor, a pre-Faraday source of serious electric power: there's no such evidence in Axum.
@@littlefurrow2437
In Axum there is a curtain. No one is allowed behind it except one person, who has every reason to hide the truth.
Just now getting to this one. I read the Holy Blood books when they came out and wondered about some of the same things. They are fun reads though if you don't take them too much as fact.
Omg that can be the problem though, can''t it? I almost wish novels like this came with a warning label: I have someone in my life, already mentally disturbed, who has restructured their life and identity around the religious revelations Dan Brown's "brave exposure of the hidden truth" has led them to. I've even showed them interviews where Brown himself talks about making up the codex messages, and they say "well of course he has to pretend it's not real or the Illuminati from the Vatican will disappear him..." Not everyone can distinguish this type of fiction writing from reality. Of course none of this is Dan Brown's fault: it's the schizophrenia fault, but when someone believes they are the reincarnation of Mary Magdalene, and the second coming will happen when they follow the Priory of Scion's trail to their former body, because they read The Da Vinci Code...it's hard to not be just a touch irritated with Mr. Brown. Just a smidge.
Unfortunately, judging from this, the co-author of that book seems to take it as fact. Which annoys me more than anything. If Dan Brown or this chap want to write a book that is fine. Until you try to sell it as fact.
And you can see it here. When confronted with the fact that there is no evidence that the cathars were in possession of any kind of secret, his reaction and response says it all. "Well the inqusition went to great lengths to wipe them out, that means they must have been in possession of a secret".
Or you know they wiped them out because they were a sect that didn't follow church doctrine.
Clearly, he believes what he wrote and it wasn't just a work of fiction.
The Templers were wiped out in France but not in Portugal. Prince Henry the navigator became a Grand Master.
Templars in spain n Portugal were disbanded in formed the new order called The Knights of Christ
Follies were also a form of 'hidden' social safety net, providing work for local craftsmen and laborers during times when work was scarce :)
In the world of secrets, ancient lore,
Tony Robinson ventures to explore.
The Real Da Vinci Code, a quest profound,
Unraveling mysteries that still abound.
With keen insight and a curious mind,
He leaves no stone or parchment behind.
From cryptic symbols to hidden art,
The enigma of Da Vinci, he'll impart.
From the Mona Lisa's cryptic smile,
To codes and riddles that span a mile,
Leonardo's genius, beyond compare,
Tony delves into the secrets buried there.
The Holy Grail, a fabled quest,
Intrigues and puzzles put to the test.
From the Louvre to ancient scrolls,
Tony's journey unearths the hidden roles.
With history's pages and secrets untold,
The Real Da Vinci Code, a story unfolds.
Tony Robinson, a modern-day sleuth,
Reveals the mysteries, uncovering truth.
So join the adventure, as Tony guides the way,
Through the secrets of Da Vinci, in the light of day.
In this quest for knowledge, the code's true face,
Is unveiled, as history finds its rightful place.
Well versed! 55:34
I stand corrected. Tony Robinson did a very good job presenting the facts and debunking the conspiracy theories.
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As much as I love Tony I think he missed the mark in his closing statements I dont think that the take away of the book was to know its untrue like a romance novel I think that it did what a good book should do it sparked a public debate it got people talking about things that had long gone stagnant and slipped into the slow death of dogma. How many people watched this with little knowledge of further church knowledge and how many left here and went on to other sources to learn more. That's an amazing feat for any author whichever side your on you gotta respect that...
If you punctuated this it might, _just might,_ be readable.
@@philaypeephilippotter6532 I had no trouble at all filling in the punctuation as I read Kootenay's comment. Try harder.
@@lizardog Funny, because I had no issues reading it either. Maybe Phil's eyes need some help... Or maybe... Phil is emotionally charged. Cheers Connie.
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5:10 Tony: 'Is this the Research Institute of Systematic Theology?'
Man: 'Fak off, were the Systematic Theology Research Institute.'
😂
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I loved the movies but then Tom Hanks is brilliant. It was a fascinating plot line for both movies. But just that.
What actually happened after the last supper? Did a bus boy come in and clean up the table. Throwing all the cups and dishes into a basket for washing?
The big problem was that the nobles ended up in debt to the Templars and they needed a way to get that debt forgiven.
And Dan Brown wasn't even original in the 20th century when turning grail fantasies into a murder mystery novel.
A far superior, and far better one is Umberto Eco's "Foucault's Pendulum" which predates it by several years.
Far less known, because the advertising budget was far smaller, and no movie was made out of it, it's far better written.
jwenting Foucault's Pendulum was good. Dan Brown's book was such a rip off of Holy Blood, Holy Grail of which Eco's book is supposed to debunk. I knew the ending of Brown's book before I was even half way through it... I just kept thinking this is such a rip off... how Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln failed to get royalties out of Brown is beyond me, especially as Brown admits that some of the characters in his book are anagrams of their names. I would be well pissed off if it had happened to me.
Nymeria Meliae My experience exactly. I had read 'Holy Blood Holy Grail' and MANY years later read 'The Da Vinci Code' I actually checked to see if Dan Brown had anything to do with the first book, because I thought he must be one of the authors who had written a novelization of it. Then of course when I found he was not connected with the original authors I thought: "Well I hope they get some money out him because it's a the same bloody story."
Anyway this documentary was fantastic because it gave me lots of facts, and joined the dots as to how the whole 'affair' came about. I'm enjoying being a sceptic for the first time in my life. :)
Also read 'Foucault's Pendulum' now that's a real work of literature.
*However I am with Tony on Mary/John in 'The Last Supper' - that isn't a male, it is most definitely a female.
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I am of the belief that Jesus never existed... there is no historical evidence from the time he was supposedly alive of him having ever lived.
I agree, there is more evidence for Robin Hood than there is for Jesus. It's politics and power all the way down ;)
Nymeria Meliae Read the biblical scholar (and agnostic: he has no religious axe to grind) Bart D. Ehrman's book, Did Jesus Exist? about the historical Jesus.
In fact, there is a good deal of historical evidence, archaeological and documentary, to prove the existence of an historical figure behind the various traditions and stories. Part of the fun of the book is seeing Ehrman (a Princeton scholar) demolish the numerous counter arguments against Jesus' existence.
I didn't think Baldrick was this well spoken and clever