I remember around 2012 as a kid that Firefox was just wayyyyy faster than anything else at the time. Never had any issues with it and I'm just comfortable with it as my browser to this day.
Firefox also has profiles, not just containers. Containers are specifically for segregating different tabs so that they are unable to share certain things like cookies. Profiles work just like Chrome, where multiple profiles are completely separate from each other. The issue with Firefox profiles is that they are a little hidden for standard users.
I have to say that containers and PWAs are enough for me - I don't miss profiles at all. I have installed a blank web page as a PWA for each of my kids so that they can have their own browsing experience. This is working great so far. Kind of having a cheap Chromebook 🙂
8:06 Remember: MOZILLA wanted Canonical to change it to the Snap, not Canonical by themselves, so Mozilla is to blame for that, as that representation of Firefox is what *they* intend Firefox to be like, THEIR own intention, not Canonical's sole intention.
@@xahal "This is the result of cooperation and collaboration between the Desktop and Snap teams at Canonical and Mozilla developers" Source: Ubuntu Discourse announcement Unfortunately, it is true, Mozilla did get involved in this as an official collaboration, thus they wanted this.
somebody at Mozilla* I'm pretty sure that a lot of Mozilla engineers aren't happy about this, and Canonical wasn't "forced" to make the change. They both pushed for it.
the reason you get great feedback to your questions is probably that you foster a very enthusiastic and sincere relationship with your viewers and users, creating a space for open and empathic exchange
I think it pretty much comes down to that there really is no reason to use Firefox over other browsers like Chrome for most people. And because Firefox isn't the default browser on any mainstream OS. And it doesn't help that many people are ingrained in Google or Microsoft services.
"No reason" for people who like to bury their head in the sand and believe that anything that doesn't immediately affect them personally, is not real. If you don't go to vote, you believe there is or should be no such thing as a general public, and you care about nothing in the world but your own little life, then yes - there's no reason to use Firefox.
I think a browser is something you'll engage with so much and so frequently that even minor inconveniences can push someone away from one; and once you've found something that works, you won't really bother to look for an alternative. If you've poured your heart and soul into something you have all the right to be proud of it, but you need to be conscious about praising something on an aspect that others would consider the bare minimum (like being able to use FF as your main browser).
I used FF as my browser at home and at work until last week. I still use FF for home use, but I’ve given up on it for work because of the lack of tab grouping. I tried using the simple tab groups extension, but it’s much slower than the experience on Chromium browsers, and the icon is very similar to the containers icon which means I often mis-clicked. I’ve moved over to Vivaldi. The tab stacking on there is just okay, but the tab tiling is a killer feature for my workflows, and I really missed it when I changed over.
I always used Firefox and being proud of it for their manifesto. I never thought on using edge (I’m even scared by people that use it) and I feel Chrome like the fancy and rich enemy of Firefox. Anyway, during last years the “ignored by industry” problem is forcing me to use Chrome: I’m a private tutor and the majority of the platforms with features for video calls, live boards etc. have had problems with the mic or webcam… Firefox is become unreliable, and that for me it’s the most important problem.
The "Google applications work better in chrome" is actually one of the reasons I DO use Firefox. MS used to do the same to lock users into IE and making sure that Google knows not everyone uses Chrome and that they might loose out on customers is the only way to incite them to do continue to support other browsers.
5:45 I LOATHE Chrome's interface. It lacks title and menu bars. They can be reenabled in Firefox -- but frankly, disabling them should never have been a thing. Programs must always be consistent with the system-wide standard.
Great video! I honestly never understood Chrome's popularity. People keep telling me they use it because it's the fastest. That hasn't been my experience at all. Firefox has definitely been faster for me, especially on Mac and Linux. Chrome also installed garbage all over the place when I tried it out on my MacBook. Between Firefox and Safari, I don't really run into sites that don't work, so I have no reason to use Chrome.
I am a software engineer/web developer and I used to use FF extensively for the dev tools, but Chrome has come a long way in that regard. Now that I am avoiding all things Google, I use Vivaldi, but I will give FF another deep dive. I have long used it as a secondary browser to keep a separate set of cookies/history etc. I did not know you could do that in Chrome. Doesn't matter now. I remember around 2010 when Chrome came out and my coworkers said to check it out because it was fast and lightweight compared to FF being slow and bloated, but of course that is no longer true.
For any Firefox user who especially values its customisability but wants an alternative, either as a primary or secondary, then Vivaldi is a no-brainer.
The main thing that maybe make users reluctant to use firefox is: they can't play videos in many websites. Netflix, Disney, FB, news... in fact, on FB the autoload post doent work (at least for me)
Yeah, that's part of the "random issues" section I talked at the end. Luckily for me, everything works perfectly, but many users have reported strange inconsistent behaviors, and those are indeed very annoying and hard to address.
I use netflix, crunchyroll, hidive etc with Firefox no problem. I don't use fb or twitter though so can't comment on that. It's rare that ff doesn't work though, unless you're on a company network needing single sign on.
I am a web designer. I could feel the difference while installing chrome in my pc. I found the pc gets a little slower after the installation. But firefox works fine for me. Also I found a series of background Google services woks behind even if I'm not using it.
I used Chrome for a long time. Then I switched to Firefox. But now I've been using Brave for a while. It has the same Chrome's engine but it managers the RAM way better and have the "block the advertisements" built in.
I used Firefox for many years. There were always annoying issues, but they became more and more. One day I could not take it anymore and switched to VIvaldi - and I dont regret it. What annoyed me the most: - Updates! How can that be a good decision to update WHILE you use firefox in a way that stops you from working until you restart the app? No! This is a no-go! - Also, I don't care about how the ui looks as long as it is functional. But in many ways firefox kept going for the looks, being "modern" and different. There were default themes, where I couldnt even see, which tab was opened at the moment. - When playing media (youtube or whatever) in the background (in sticky tabs), I clicked the mute button much too often when going back to that tab. - Bugs that won't be addressed, like the one where when Firefox starts in fullscreen mode, It does, but doesnt. The actual window is full screen, but firefox itself is just about half of the screen size. This was/is on linux and windows for many years, I think even today. . Maybe they addressed many of my issues and even improved on functionality. But what I learned during the time I used Firefox: the next update might (again) break your complete workflow. Firefox/Mozilla won't care!
I've deleted Chromium from my Arch Linux system. Firefox only now. In an amazing coincidence, a lot of frustrating minor and major problems have gone away, including keyboard+mouse freeze-ups, problems with Pipewire, heavy memory usage, and Chromium crashing. No chromium, no Chromium crashes! And X11 crashes, rare, but when it does happen, I'm doing something Chromium. I may have to re-install it eventually to test web apps, but I'll try to containerize it, once I figure out how to containerize things.
WRONG. Firefox DOES have profiles. I dont use them, I stick to one, but it does. They are completely separate. Do your rrsearch before knocking something with a false argument. The firefox profile manager is not well-promoted and that IS a fault. A real major fault is it doesnt well handle multiple monitors running at different resolutions. Safari does. Safari’s tab groups are better but it doesnt do containers (only private windows). Safari doesnt do containers and extensions are more limited. I hate Chrome - it does *everything* differently (like google mail does too). My regular browser is Firefox but I do wish it did multiple monitors better.
Game changer if true. However, are you sure it has been integrated? I downloaded the 109.1 release and I couldn't find the container button (nothing in the release notes about it either). I also looked at the developer edition and can't find anything about containers there either.
I have to say that, after being a long time Google Chrome and then Brave user, I tried Firefox on Fedora 37 and got hooked. No, seriously, it felt fresh and modern and welcoming to me. The extensions feel functional and everything is very flexible. So I started modding/messing around and now have a very sleek, functional and fast browsing experience. Still no problems with websites not working correctly or not supporting Firefox at all - and I use a lot of websites, sometimes Google Docs/Sheets and some other PWAs. But I have to keep it installed as an RPM so that the PWA extension can work correctly. Firefox has come a long way and doesn't have to hide at all.
I switched from chrome to Firefox cause I didn't like that chrome interface became so damn circular and circle based Rounded edge rectangles all the waaay
I've used Firefox for as long as I can remember. I liked it that they didn't have all the other microsoft crap they'd incessantly try to force you to use, but the time has come to bite the bullet and move on. Over the past several years, Firefox has had problems running many applications. I stream a lot and was blaming a crappy Centurylink connection for freezing up and lag, when It was A Firefox problem all along.
I thought I had already commented but maybe I'm wrong. In my opinion: - Firefox should integrate PWAs and containers without the need of extensions or to enable stuff in about:config. - Mozilla should be competitive/an alternative to Google where it can by making new apps or partnering with other companies (e.g. search engine, emails, suites and stuff like that) focusing always on open source. - They should focus on meaningful stuff like performance tuning and bug squashing, not unuseful UI updates (I'm using the Lepton mod, I can't stand Proton).
I would think it should still be a add-on but you can choose the features you need when first setting up the browser. So when you first start up firefox you can choose between bare bones, recommend extensions or a walkthrough that lets you decide what you may want and what not.
Could you imagine Mozilla making alternative options to Google products? Imo, I think that it would be cool. For example: - Mozilla Mail with Thunderbird - Gmail - Mozilla Writer - Google Docs - Mozilla Present - Google Slides - Mozilla Cloud - Google Drive - Mozilla Excess - Google Sheets - Mozilla Face - Google Meet - Mozilla Webspaces with Composer - Google Sites - Mozilla ChatZilla 2 - Google Chat - Mozilla Sunbird - Google Calendar - Mozilla Fillout - Google Forms - Mozilla Notes - Google Keep - Mozilla Board - Google Jamboard - Mozilla Atlas - Google Maps - Mozilla Globe - Google Earth
7:58 Whatever you guys do - avoid snap as much as you can. For the general topic. I use Firefox because of privacy and I want to support their product. I dont want Firefox and Tor Browser (which is based on Firefox) to die. And Firefox is a great browser. Havent seen any broken websites recently. Everything is working perfectly fine.
My main browser is Firefox, but I also use Chromium for two reasons (except testing web apps for compatibility): PWAs obviously and the dev tools (i generally like the Firefox Dev tools, but they lack some features Chromium has).
One reason I didn't switch Firefox only, but continued with Chromium and Firefox, is that for watching TH-cam, FF was annoying about changing volume levels at random. Well, not at random, but turning down the volume during a loud ad didn't stick when the video itself started, or when I fast forwarded or backed up to replay part of the video. That problem went away. Not sure it was actually FF's fault. Chromium seems to mess with audio, and I had been using Pipewire during its early phase.
Doubt snap problem is a significant deterent to Firefox - how many users does it actually affect - what is the percentage of users that use it on Linux, Ubuntu and using snaps?
Great video! For me, I strongly prefer Firefox Multi-Account Containers over Chrome(ium) profiles. I use chromium for my PWA needs, but Firefox for everything else.
I LEFT Firefox after using it from the beginning because all the add-ons I RELIED on were BROKEN by new versions. It no longer had distinctiveness FROM Chrome and, as you say, had website compatibility problems which I could not tolerate. To me, it had BECOME Chrome - only WORSE. I DO like the philosophy of the MOzilla Foundation but gave up Linux desktop because thing like my Dymo printer software wasn't supported - and wound-up on Mac because of the "best thing Steve Jobs ever did" - moving Apple to UNIX!!!
I used Firefox for years…but experienced minor slow downs and occasional trouble with some websites. I also wanted fingerprint sign-in… I tried Edge a few times but found various issues… partly just my impatience with the learning curve. Eventually I went to Edge and it stuck. I like the fingerprint sign-in, the overall speed and I really like the side bar to store commonly used sites. I really love Edge…it just works great for me…
I've used quite a few different browsers, and usually keep more than I need installed, but I use Firefox exclusively for normal use. I did used to use chrome (and IE before that) but kinda hopped between chrome and Firefox every few weeks to figure out which I liked more, with nice looking new tab extensions being one of the main factors. I have wanted to use PWA a few times but not enough to move browser, but I'll poke the extensions a bit I guess. 😁
Re: Standalone Profiles You can call Firefox from the terminal with -p -no-remote and that will let you create a new profile just as you would in Chrome. I can see how that's still an annoyance compared to Chrome where's just two clicks.
Too a poor student who has to abuse his computer as a TV. Netflix and other streaming services limit Firefox to 720p. There exists an extension that allows 1080p for Netflix, but only at a low bitrate. I was about just about to give Firefox another shot... I think the main issue though from my experience is that in day to day usage Firefox doesn't do anything substantially better than preinstalled alternatives. Chrome has Android, Edge has Windows, Safari has iOS/iPadOS/MacOS and Firefox has... well some Linux distros.
Am I the only one who actually finds the Chrome settings WAY more confusing. I feel like some items in the Chrome settings are not in very intuitive locations.
The whole "Chrome works better with Gsuite" is SUPER annoying because in a lot of cases it's an artificial handicap by Google rather than an actual shortcoming with Firefox itself. There are a lot of cases where the feature actually works perfectly fine on Firefox, Google has just disabled or nerfed the feature on non-Chrome browsers.
As a firefox user, I did not know containers had that feature of it's own cookies and such so I never really saw much benefit to them. This is an issue with the way they were advertised when launched IMO. When doing web development, I actually prefer Firefox dev tools. Also on that note, I have to target and test IOS safari separately as every single browser on IOS is actually just reskinned safari due to apple's restrictions as far as a web developer viewpoint goes. That section of users gives us no choice, and chrome is most like safari, on any other platform it is possible for the user to switch browser and it work, we have no choice like that on IOS...
I am using Firefox for many years and honestly I never missed any of those points..... I love Firefox general and unfortunately I also reached the point that I love Firefox because it is not Google/Microsoft/Apple/Facebook or any other similar asshole.
I've been daily driving Firefox for years, and never had major issues until a very specific case- Nintendo UK Support. I'd sent my Switch in for repair, and for whatever reason the repair tracking page just didn't function correctly by not having any interactable elements, meaning I couldn't progress with payment and was forced to use Chrome. Still not sure what the issue was- Clearly something missing in Firefox that caused the page to display incorrectly.
you might be actually using them and not realizing it - it doesn't have to be in a separate window in order to be a PWA. Certain websites use PWA-exclusive features
I never understood people's desire or need for web apps. We have desktop programs and we have web pages. I dont need a webpage pretending to be a desktop program.
I used *Firefox* for years, until I realized, like many I know that they seem to keep fixing what is not broke with each new version.... I have seen this with many application before, that they have a working, and fairly convenient setup, they get a *LOT* of users, *then they start trying to upgrade it to the point where you almost forget why you liked it.* *Firefox* has been doing this now for a couple of years to the point where it almost feels like *EVERY WEBSITE* is a security risk anymore, so i have dropped it!!
@@pnylyckjvanof1550 Possibly, it is *'Safer'* perhaps, but the *WEALTH* of things that cause *Firefox* to crash to desktop, is getting ridiculous.... As of yesterday, I cannot even open the *'Bookmark Manager'* windows anymore to search for a bookmark, without it going *Non-responsive* & forcing me to close the browser back to the desktop. Then there are the attempts to contact *Mozilla* for tech support, which could be called *IMPOSSIBLE* truthfully. *They just don't care at all anymore!!*
3:19 profile is so different from containers, and the use case is so very different Profiles are more like isolated sessions that should be run simultaneously along with each other or closed independently. Contains in ff are just containerized tabs, not containerized Firefox app BTW, so wish Tree Style TAB would one day become native, and use more efficient code other than javascript
I've stopped using Firefox and uninstalled it from my computers for the simple fact that it does not work. At one time, it was a serviceable browser. Recently, however, it developed the nasty habit of freezing up in use, and more recently freezing up my entire computer. Resetting defaults, refreshing, uninstalling and reinstalling - none of these tactics resolves the problem. Regular automatic updates never resolve the problem. It freezes on TH-cam, Zoom, Citrix etc., etc., etc.... It does not work with Facebook Live at all, whereas Chrome does. Basically, it's a matter of throwing away a broken tool that no longer works in favor of one that does.
Firefox was successful because it was fast compared to the competition. Now it's the slowest browser out there. When I worked on a web-app with 3d rendering (BabylonJS), the performance gap difference was so vast that the app would render at nice 60fps in Chrome and was unusable in FF.
I use Firefox on my Mobile and PC's and love to use it although i like to also use librewolf browser (which is Firefox with different standard settings) instead sometimes because it's suppose to be setup very privately out of the box
I was a Firefox user since it was first launched (and Netscape before that). But after I upgraded my PC to Windows 11, I found that Firefox's memory management seems to trigger Windows 11 File Explorer's notorious memory leak problems. I would launch Firefox or Blender or Adobe Acrobat and even after I exited those programs, File Explorer would grow and grow to over 4 GB at which point it would crash. Chrome seems less prone to triggering this Windows 11 problem.
I don't use Firefox for those reasons. I didn't use it due to the lack of a synchronizer of bookmarks, later it was included. For a long time, as a front-end user, I stopped using firefox because of the inspect feature in chrome, which had many resources for me to work with, today I see that firefox already has something similar and improved from what it was before. Firefox is still behind in HTML5 resources, if you put it in the html5 test you will see that it hasn't included resources yet and that chrome already has them accounting for more resources. Speed and security for me is indifferent, that's the crucial point because I didn't migrate. Interestingly, I abandoned chrome for one reason, opera GX, as it has specific features for gamers like me, where there are several interesting features for twitch lurker.
I try to use safari most of the time as Chrome can be a hog on resources, with a IDE and Docker my Mac has enough to handle. I can’t say I’ve used Firefox for well over 7 years. On a browser perspective I’m pretty sure hardly any QA is done with it with the CMS I work with, maybe this is the problem?
Normies just use Chrome, Safari or Edge, because it comes pre installed on their device. You could replace Firefox with every other browser that isnt Chrome, Safari or Edge and make the exact same video 20 times over.
I am a web developer myself and use Firefox for my work Mostly because I like the devtools in Ff way better than the chrome ones and well… somebody still has to explain to safari what devtool are these days, i guess. Also, since I will avoid the great Kraken that has long forgotten it’s mantra at all cost. Seriously, does anyone remember when google lived by the phrase “don’t be evil”? The thing that gets me about Ff though and why I can understand people being driven away from it is that it is usually the slowest of the big three to adopt new web standards. This is on one hand understandable, since it is also written by the dev team with the smallest budget in this race, but for a company that literally exists to uphold those same standards it is also mindboggeling.
I do use Firefox in spite of Mozilla's folly of alienating plugin developers and pushing pet projects like Pocket and frivolous window dressing and abandoning power users in their UI/UX. I hate having to hunt for settings options in an about: page that I use regularly in order to improve privacy and security. I don't need another Chrome look-alike. The main reason I do still use Firefox is dreading the total monopoly of Google and of course, having used it since the Beta versions and supporting the Mozilla manifesto of keeping the Web ethical.
I think that FF's interface is more intuitive and easier to use. The other reasons don't apply or appeal to me; e.g. I don't use Ubuntu. I stuck with FF through its dark years and was happy as Larry when quantum was released.
I use firefox on desktops and safari on my mobile devices. My only problem with firefox is speed in specific situation. My university‘s video call solution during covid was browser based and that was almost impossible to do in firefox. Chrome worked much better
In fact, the "it's just faster" argument imo is just nonsense. I bet any measurable speed difference is in fact not discernible for the user, it's just bench mark numbers that don't make a discernible difference in real life.
I find chromium browsers terrible when it comes to TH-cam and other video platforms, while FF pulls videos like a muscle car. Firefox has one giant flaw that I wish it were fixed. Scrolling on laptops sucks out of the box. I'd have to change a ton of settings in about:config to get it close to chromium.
I think the framing of use of certain products over others as an "ethical" choice is not accurate /not the right way to think about it. The ethics or the set of values that one has backing up decisions is political. The fact that Mozilla, as opposed to Google, has values makes the choice a political one.
As a web developer having more than 6 years experience .. I recommend firefox . Have been using it for years and yeah sometimes there are problems but they are worth the privacy ..
I use Firefox for most personal activities and chrome for work. The issue with Firefox currently is that the developer base is not as capable when it comes to responding to security threats. Because of the field I work in, Firefox becomes a nonstarter for that reason unfortunately. If that changes in the future, I will be switching over to use Firefox almost exclusively.
Unfortunately Firefox is not working properly with some wallets (crypto). Never understood why -but for this reason, I have to use Chrome information this.
I am a only firefox user and i didn't feel these problems. I am a web developer and i use Firefox to develop website daily
I remember around 2012 as a kid that Firefox was just wayyyyy faster than anything else at the time. Never had any issues with it and I'm just comfortable with it as my browser to this day.
Same for me!
Firefox also has profiles, not just containers. Containers are specifically for segregating different tabs so that they are unable to share certain things like cookies. Profiles work just like Chrome, where multiple profiles are completely separate from each other. The issue with Firefox profiles is that they are a little hidden for standard users.
@@busimagen I agree. Profile switching should be a more prominent feature. I like the way it's done on MS Edge.
I have to say that containers and PWAs are enough for me - I don't miss profiles at all. I have installed a blank web page as a PWA for each of my kids so that they can have their own browsing experience. This is working great so far. Kind of having a cheap Chromebook 🙂
8:06 Remember: MOZILLA wanted Canonical to change it to the Snap, not Canonical by themselves, so Mozilla is to blame for that, as that representation of Firefox is what *they* intend Firefox to be like, THEIR own intention, not Canonical's sole intention.
I don't think that's true. Canonical is switching plenty of apps to snap.
@@xahal "This is the result of cooperation and collaboration between the Desktop and Snap teams at Canonical and Mozilla developers"
Source: Ubuntu Discourse announcement
Unfortunately, it is true, Mozilla did get involved in this as an official collaboration, thus they wanted this.
somebody at Mozilla*
I'm pretty sure that a lot of Mozilla engineers aren't happy about this, and Canonical wasn't "forced" to make the change. They both pushed for it.
the reason you get great feedback to your questions is probably that you foster a very enthusiastic and sincere relationship with your viewers and users, creating a space for open and empathic exchange
I think it pretty much comes down to that there really is no reason to use Firefox over other browsers like Chrome for most people. And because Firefox isn't the default browser on any mainstream OS. And it doesn't help that many people are ingrained in Google or Microsoft services.
@Pnylyck Jvanof Yeah, but linux isn't on the majority of devices. I say that as a Linux user.
"No reason" for people who like to bury their head in the sand and believe that anything that doesn't immediately affect them personally, is not real. If you don't go to vote, you believe there is or should be no such thing as a general public, and you care about nothing in the world but your own little life, then yes - there's no reason to use Firefox.
I think a browser is something you'll engage with so much and so frequently that even minor inconveniences can push someone away from one; and once you've found something that works, you won't really bother to look for an alternative.
If you've poured your heart and soul into something you have all the right to be proud of it, but you need to be conscious about praising something on an aspect that others would consider the bare minimum (like being able to use FF as your main browser).
I used FF as my browser at home and at work until last week. I still use FF for home use, but I’ve given up on it for work because of the lack of tab grouping. I tried using the simple tab groups extension, but it’s much slower than the experience on Chromium browsers, and the icon is very similar to the containers icon which means I often mis-clicked.
I’ve moved over to Vivaldi. The tab stacking on there is just okay, but the tab tiling is a killer feature for my workflows, and I really missed it when I changed over.
I always used Firefox and being proud of it for their manifesto. I never thought on using edge (I’m even scared by people that use it) and I feel Chrome like the fancy and rich enemy of Firefox.
Anyway, during last years the “ignored by industry” problem is forcing me to use Chrome: I’m a private tutor and the majority of the platforms with features for video calls, live boards etc. have had problems with the mic or webcam… Firefox is become unreliable, and that for me it’s the most important problem.
The "Google applications work better in chrome" is actually one of the reasons I DO use Firefox. MS used to do the same to lock users into IE and making sure that Google knows not everyone uses Chrome and that they might loose out on customers is the only way to incite them to do continue to support other browsers.
5:45 I LOATHE Chrome's interface. It lacks title and menu bars. They can be reenabled in Firefox -- but frankly, disabling them should never have been a thing. Programs must always be consistent with the system-wide standard.
Great video! I honestly never understood Chrome's popularity. People keep telling me they use it because it's the fastest. That hasn't been my experience at all. Firefox has definitely been faster for me, especially on Mac and Linux. Chrome also installed garbage all over the place when I tried it out on my MacBook. Between Firefox and Safari, I don't really run into sites that don't work, so I have no reason to use Chrome.
Small Correction : Firefox does have profiles. Type about:profiles in the URL bar to access profile management.
it's a lot harder to use and manage compared to chrome's profile management... it's not even easily discoverable by regular users lol
Technically correct, but I deliberately ignored that since that's an hidden feature and very hard to use for non technical users.
But in the video it is shown as if Firefox doesn't have profiles and ONLY has containers, which is false. But yea, I guess it's too hidden.
I am a software engineer/web developer and I used to use FF extensively for the dev tools, but Chrome has come a long way in that regard. Now that I am avoiding all things Google, I use Vivaldi, but I will give FF another deep dive. I have long used it as a secondary browser to keep a separate set of cookies/history etc. I did not know you could do that in Chrome. Doesn't matter now. I remember around 2010 when Chrome came out and my coworkers said to check it out because it was fast and lightweight compared to FF being slow and bloated, but of course that is no longer true.
For any Firefox user who especially values its customisability but wants an alternative, either as a primary or secondary, then Vivaldi is a no-brainer.
The main thing that maybe make users reluctant to use firefox is: they can't play videos in many websites. Netflix, Disney, FB, news... in fact, on FB the autoload post doent work (at least for me)
Yeah, that's part of the "random issues" section I talked at the end. Luckily for me, everything works perfectly, but many users have reported strange inconsistent behaviors, and those are indeed very annoying and hard to address.
And also TH-cam made to load slowly purposely by google because I’m not using a Chromium based browser :/
I use netflix, crunchyroll, hidive etc with Firefox no problem. I don't use fb or twitter though so can't comment on that. It's rare that ff doesn't work though, unless you're on a company network needing single sign on.
Even more so, ff is one of the few browsers still supporting v2 extensions so downloading videos and ad blocking is fully working.
I am a web designer. I could feel the difference while installing chrome in my pc. I found the pc gets a little slower after the installation. But firefox works fine for me. Also I found a series of background Google services woks behind even if I'm not using it.
I used Chrome for a long time. Then I switched to Firefox. But now I've been using Brave for a while. It has the same Chrome's engine but it managers the RAM way better and have the "block the advertisements" built in.
@Nobody True!!! Another one that is pretty good is "Sidekick". Same privacy features and Chrome engine + good RAM management.
Brave messes up JS sometimes
I'm using Firefox and thunderbird and love it. I also used you're the thumbs and blocked down button, and love it.
I used Firefox for many years. There were always annoying issues, but they became more and more. One day I could not take it anymore and switched to VIvaldi - and I dont regret it. What annoyed me the most:
- Updates! How can that be a good decision to update WHILE you use firefox in a way that stops you from working until you restart the app? No! This is a no-go!
- Also, I don't care about how the ui looks as long as it is functional. But in many ways firefox kept going for the looks, being "modern" and different. There were default themes, where I couldnt even see, which tab was opened at the moment.
- When playing media (youtube or whatever) in the background (in sticky tabs), I clicked the mute button much too often when going back to that tab.
- Bugs that won't be addressed, like the one where when Firefox starts in fullscreen mode, It does, but doesnt. The actual window is full screen, but firefox itself is just about half of the screen size. This was/is on linux and windows for many years, I think even today.
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Maybe they addressed many of my issues and even improved on functionality. But what I learned during the time I used Firefox: the next update might (again) break your complete workflow. Firefox/Mozilla won't care!
I've deleted Chromium from my Arch Linux system. Firefox only now. In an amazing coincidence, a lot of frustrating minor and major problems have gone away, including keyboard+mouse freeze-ups, problems with Pipewire, heavy memory usage, and Chromium crashing. No chromium, no Chromium crashes! And X11 crashes, rare, but when it does happen, I'm doing something Chromium. I may have to re-install it eventually to test web apps, but I'll try to containerize it, once I figure out how to containerize things.
WRONG. Firefox DOES have profiles. I dont use them, I stick to one, but it does. They are completely separate. Do your rrsearch before knocking something with a false argument. The firefox profile manager is not well-promoted and that IS a fault. A real major fault is it doesnt well handle multiple monitors running at different resolutions. Safari does. Safari’s tab groups are better but it doesnt do containers (only private windows). Safari doesnt do containers and extensions are more limited. I hate Chrome - it does *everything* differently (like google mail does too). My regular browser is Firefox but I do wish it did multiple monitors better.
Firefox now has the Containers integrated and I couldn't be happier.
Game changer if true. However, are you sure it has been integrated?
I downloaded the 109.1 release and I couldn't find the container button (nothing in the release notes about it either).
I also looked at the developer edition and can't find anything about containers there either.
Also, thank you so much, I didn’t know about the PWA add-on. I must try it!
I have to say that, after being a long time Google Chrome and then Brave user, I tried Firefox on Fedora 37 and got hooked. No, seriously, it felt fresh and modern and welcoming to me. The extensions feel functional and everything is very flexible. So I started modding/messing around and now have a very sleek, functional and fast browsing experience. Still no problems with websites not working correctly or not supporting Firefox at all - and I use a lot of websites, sometimes Google Docs/Sheets and some other PWAs. But I have to keep it installed as an RPM so that the PWA extension can work correctly. Firefox has come a long way and doesn't have to hide at all.
Users find Chrome settings UI easier most probably because they're more exposed to the same design system across Google Products.
I'm using. Its great for development, great ui design...
I switched from chrome to Firefox cause I didn't like that chrome interface became so damn circular and circle based
Rounded edge rectangles all the waaay
btw, snaps also break certain features such as smooth touchpad scrolling in firefox (it behaves like an emulated mouse wheel instead)
I've used Firefox for as long as I can remember. I liked it that they didn't have all the other microsoft crap they'd incessantly try to force you to use, but the time has come to bite the bullet and move on. Over the past several years, Firefox has had problems running many applications. I stream a lot and was blaming a crappy Centurylink connection for freezing up and lag, when It was A Firefox problem all along.
I thought I had already commented but maybe I'm wrong.
In my opinion:
- Firefox should integrate PWAs and containers without the need of extensions or to enable stuff in about:config.
- Mozilla should be competitive/an alternative to Google where it can by making new apps or partnering with other companies (e.g. search engine, emails, suites and stuff like that) focusing always on open source.
- They should focus on meaningful stuff like performance tuning and bug squashing, not unuseful UI updates (I'm using the Lepton mod, I can't stand Proton).
Yeah, I fully agree with this :D
I would think it should still be a add-on but you can choose the features you need when first setting up the browser. So when you first start up firefox you can choose between bare bones, recommend extensions or a walkthrough that lets you decide what you may want and what not.
Could you imagine Mozilla making alternative options to Google products? Imo, I think that it would be cool. For example:
- Mozilla Mail with Thunderbird - Gmail
- Mozilla Writer - Google Docs
- Mozilla Present - Google Slides
- Mozilla Cloud - Google Drive
- Mozilla Excess - Google Sheets
- Mozilla Face - Google Meet
- Mozilla Webspaces with Composer - Google Sites
- Mozilla ChatZilla 2 - Google Chat
- Mozilla Sunbird - Google Calendar
- Mozilla Fillout - Google Forms
- Mozilla Notes - Google Keep
- Mozilla Board - Google Jamboard
- Mozilla Atlas - Google Maps
- Mozilla Globe - Google Earth
welcome back Brother hoped for awsome content sooner . but still happy and lovely
Thank you so much 😀
7:58 Whatever you guys do - avoid snap as much as you can.
For the general topic. I use Firefox because of privacy and I want to support their product. I dont want Firefox and Tor Browser (which is based on Firefox) to die. And Firefox is a great browser. Havent seen any broken websites recently. Everything is working perfectly fine.
Title: Why are people not using Firefox?
Me: (watching this on Firefox)
My main browser is Firefox, but I also use Chromium for two reasons (except testing web apps for compatibility): PWAs obviously and the dev tools (i generally like the Firefox Dev tools, but they lack some features Chromium has).
One reason I didn't switch Firefox only, but continued with Chromium and Firefox, is that for watching TH-cam, FF was annoying about changing volume levels at random. Well, not at random, but turning down the volume during a loud ad didn't stick when the video itself started, or when I fast forwarded or backed up to replay part of the video. That problem went away. Not sure it was actually FF's fault. Chromium seems to mess with audio, and I had been using Pipewire during its early phase.
Firefox plugins to maybe try: uBlock Origin to block ads, SponsorBlock to remove most sponsored segments.
I only use Firefox. Dev tools are better than chrome ones. I guess we are all part of the resistance
Lol, probably
The latest iteration of Firefox has lousy video playback! This is why I abandoned it.
it is all mozilla fault
Since I started doing Webdev, i switched to Brave and Chrome
Firefox's default privacy settings is awesome.
I love using Firefox, as a developer it has great tools. CHrome sometimes has no quick updates.
Doubt snap problem is a significant deterent to Firefox - how many users does it actually affect - what is the percentage of users that use it on Linux, Ubuntu and using snaps?
I use kubuntu and I really hate snaps
I have Firefox installed through apt
Great video! For me, I strongly prefer Firefox Multi-Account Containers over Chrome(ium) profiles. I use chromium for my PWA needs, but Firefox for everything else.
I LEFT Firefox after using it from the beginning because all the add-ons I RELIED on were BROKEN by new versions. It no longer had distinctiveness FROM Chrome and, as you say, had website compatibility problems which I could not tolerate. To me, it had BECOME Chrome - only WORSE. I DO like the philosophy of the MOzilla Foundation but gave up Linux desktop because thing like my Dymo printer software wasn't supported - and wound-up on Mac because of the "best thing Steve Jobs ever did" - moving Apple to UNIX!!!
I am using firefox and not ready to change it.
For me, I stopped using Firefox because it's not installed by default on my computer and phone. I just use whatever is installed by default.
I rediscovered Firefox awhile ago and switched to it as my default. I am having trouble finding things that don’t work for me.
I used Firefox for years…but experienced minor slow downs and occasional trouble with some websites. I also wanted fingerprint sign-in… I tried Edge a few times but found various issues… partly just my impatience with the learning curve. Eventually I went to Edge and it stuck. I like the fingerprint sign-in, the overall speed and I really like the side bar to store commonly used sites. I really love Edge…it just works great for me…
I've used quite a few different browsers, and usually keep more than I need installed, but I use Firefox exclusively for normal use. I did used to use chrome (and IE before that) but kinda hopped between chrome and Firefox every few weeks to figure out which I liked more, with nice looking new tab extensions being one of the main factors. I have wanted to use PWA a few times but not enough to move browser, but I'll poke the extensions a bit I guess. 😁
Re: Standalone Profiles
You can call Firefox from the terminal with -p -no-remote and that will let you create a new profile just as you would in Chrome. I can see how that's still an annoyance compared to Chrome where's just two clicks.
Too a poor student who has to abuse his computer as a TV.
Netflix and other streaming services limit Firefox to 720p. There exists an extension that allows 1080p for Netflix, but only at a low bitrate.
I was about just about to give Firefox another shot...
I think the main issue though from my experience is that in day to day usage Firefox doesn't do anything substantially better than preinstalled alternatives.
Chrome has Android, Edge has Windows, Safari has iOS/iPadOS/MacOS and Firefox has... well some Linux distros.
Firefox FTW!
Am I the only one who actually finds the Chrome settings WAY more confusing. I feel like some items in the Chrome settings are not in very intuitive locations.
The whole "Chrome works better with Gsuite" is SUPER annoying because in a lot of cases it's an artificial handicap by Google rather than an actual shortcoming with Firefox itself. There are a lot of cases where the feature actually works perfectly fine on Firefox, Google has just disabled or nerfed the feature on non-Chrome browsers.
As a firefox user, I did not know containers had that feature of it's own cookies and such so I never really saw much benefit to them. This is an issue with the way they were advertised when launched IMO.
When doing web development, I actually prefer Firefox dev tools.
Also on that note, I have to target and test IOS safari separately as every single browser on IOS is actually just reskinned safari due to apple's restrictions as far as a web developer viewpoint goes. That section of users gives us no choice, and chrome is most like safari, on any other platform it is possible for the user to switch browser and it work, we have no choice like that on IOS...
I am using Firefox for many years and honestly I never missed any of those points.....
I love Firefox general and unfortunately I also reached the point that I love Firefox because it is not Google/Microsoft/Apple/Facebook or any other similar asshole.
I have been using Firefox for over 20 years as of 2022
Firefox captures more "trackers" than MS Edge and Google. It minimizes the hack factor.
Indeed, I love the extra protection and privacy out of the box
I love Firefox. I use it on my phone. Two problems I face are I can't use it with Chromecast and web forms sometimes don't work.
I've been daily driving Firefox for years, and never had major issues until a very specific case- Nintendo UK Support. I'd sent my Switch in for repair, and for whatever reason the repair tracking page just didn't function correctly by not having any interactable elements, meaning I couldn't progress with payment and was forced to use Chrome. Still not sure what the issue was- Clearly something missing in Firefox that caused the page to display incorrectly.
I use Firefox as well as Chrome and Edge. Firefox isn't allowed on my work computer so that isn't an option. I also use ThunderBird at home.
Interesting #1 on your list - I must say I run Chrome and I've never used PWA! I just pin sites as tabs, not sure I'd find PWA any better!
you might be actually using them and not realizing it - it doesn't have to be in a separate window in order to be a PWA. Certain websites use PWA-exclusive features
I cant use street maps neither satellite view since like a week or so. I wonder if this is a problem for anyone else.
I never understood people's desire or need for web apps. We have desktop programs and we have web pages. I dont need a webpage pretending to be a desktop program.
I used *Firefox* for years, until I realized, like many I know that they seem to keep fixing what is not broke with each new version....
I have seen this with many application before, that they have a working, and fairly convenient setup, they get a *LOT* of users, *then they start trying to upgrade it to the point where you almost forget why you liked it.*
*Firefox* has been doing this now for a couple of years to the point where it almost feels like *EVERY WEBSITE* is a security risk anymore, so i have dropped it!!
@@pnylyckjvanof1550
Possibly, it is *'Safer'* perhaps, but the *WEALTH* of things that cause *Firefox* to crash to desktop, is getting ridiculous....
As of yesterday, I cannot even open the *'Bookmark Manager'* windows anymore to search for a bookmark, without it going *Non-responsive* & forcing me to close the browser back to the desktop.
Then there are the attempts to contact *Mozilla* for tech support, which could be called *IMPOSSIBLE* truthfully.
*They just don't care at all anymore!!*
I tried to configure everything until I felt comfortable and 1 hour later I returned to chrome
The main feature that forces me to use chrome is the password manager. android autocomplete, app login and google pay integration
But Firefox does have profiles ..? Just type in about:profiles ..? Could be easier and better to use, but the feature IS there.
3:19 profile is so different from containers, and the use case is so very different
Profiles are more like isolated sessions that should be run simultaneously along with each other or closed independently.
Contains in ff are just containerized tabs, not containerized Firefox app
BTW, so wish Tree Style TAB would one day become native, and use more efficient code other than javascript
Were there specific PWA's that people listed as using? I feel like I don't see a PWA option for a lot of the sites I go to.
True
I just use a program called webcatalogue to turn any and all webpages I need into apps
I've stopped using Firefox and uninstalled it from my computers for the simple fact that it does not work. At one time, it was a serviceable browser. Recently, however, it developed the nasty habit of freezing up in use, and more recently freezing up my entire computer. Resetting defaults, refreshing, uninstalling and reinstalling - none of these tactics resolves the problem. Regular automatic updates never resolve the problem. It freezes on TH-cam, Zoom, Citrix etc., etc., etc.... It does not work with Facebook Live at all, whereas Chrome does. Basically, it's a matter of throwing away a broken tool that no longer works in favor of one that does.
Firefox was successful because it was fast compared to the competition.
Now it's the slowest browser out there.
When I worked on a web-app with 3d rendering (BabylonJS), the performance gap difference was so vast that the app would render at nice 60fps in Chrome and was unusable in FF.
I use Firefox on my Mobile and PC's and love to use it although i like to also use librewolf browser
(which is Firefox with different standard settings)
instead sometimes because it's suppose to be setup very privately out of the box
Firefox has profiles too! But the UX there is pretty worse than in chromium based browsers…
Maybe Firefox wouldn't have so many problems running various websites if chrome wasn't in a more dominant position than even IE ever was.
I was a Firefox user since it was first launched (and Netscape before that). But after I upgraded my PC to Windows 11, I found that Firefox's memory management seems to trigger Windows 11 File Explorer's notorious memory leak problems. I would launch Firefox or Blender or Adobe Acrobat and even after I exited those programs, File Explorer would grow and grow to over 4 GB at which point it would crash. Chrome seems less prone to triggering this Windows 11 problem.
sounds great lol. thankfully I am still on w10 (and I will be for as long as it's supported)
I don't use Firefox for those reasons.
I didn't use it due to the lack of a synchronizer of bookmarks, later it was included.
For a long time, as a front-end user, I stopped using firefox because of the inspect feature in chrome, which had many resources for me to work with, today I see that firefox already has something similar and improved from what it was before.
Firefox is still behind in HTML5 resources, if you put it in the html5 test you will see that it hasn't included resources yet and that chrome already has them accounting for more resources.
Speed and security for me is indifferent, that's the crucial point because I didn't migrate.
Interestingly, I abandoned chrome for one reason, opera GX, as it has specific features for gamers like me, where there are several interesting features for twitch lurker.
Your eOS theme for Firefox is custom made by you? Or I can download it too?
Here: github.com/Zonnev/elementaryos-firefox-theme
nice , video love the new formet
Thanks 👍
I try to use safari most of the time as Chrome can be a hog on resources, with a IDE and Docker my Mac has enough to handle. I can’t say I’ve used Firefox for well over 7 years. On a browser perspective I’m pretty sure hardly any QA is done with it with the CMS I work with, maybe this is the problem?
Normies just use Chrome, Safari or Edge, because it comes pre installed on their device. You could replace Firefox with every other browser that isnt Chrome, Safari or Edge and make the exact same video 20 times over.
Why not Firefox?
"We need more than deplatforming"
I am a web developer myself and use Firefox for my work Mostly because I like the devtools in Ff way better than the chrome ones and well… somebody still has to explain to safari what devtool are these days, i guess. Also, since I will avoid the great Kraken that has long forgotten it’s mantra at all cost. Seriously, does anyone remember when google lived by the phrase “don’t be evil”?
The thing that gets me about Ff though and why I can understand people being driven away from it is that it is usually the slowest of the big three to adopt new web standards. This is on one hand understandable, since it is also written by the dev team with the smallest budget in this race, but for a company that literally exists to uphold those same standards it is also mindboggeling.
I do use Firefox in spite of Mozilla's folly of alienating plugin developers and pushing pet projects like Pocket and frivolous window dressing and abandoning power users in their UI/UX. I hate having to hunt for settings options in an about: page that I use regularly in order to improve privacy and security. I don't need another Chrome look-alike. The main reason I do still use Firefox is dreading the total monopoly of Google and of course, having used it since the Beta versions and supporting the Mozilla manifesto of keeping the Web ethical.
I think that FF's interface is more intuitive and easier to use. The other reasons don't apply or appeal to me; e.g. I don't use Ubuntu. I stuck with FF through its dark years and was happy as Larry when quantum was released.
I use firefox on desktops and safari on my mobile devices.
My only problem with firefox is speed in specific situation. My university‘s video call solution during covid was browser based and that was almost impossible to do in firefox. Chrome worked much better
I wanted to try it but there were too many nosy personal questions on the sign up.
What sign up? What questions? Firefox can be downloaded for free from their website without any information needed
I use primary chrome since 12, 13 years. I dont know why to be honest.
In fact, the "it's just faster" argument imo is just nonsense. I bet any measurable speed difference is in fact not discernible for the user, it's just bench mark numbers that don't make a discernible difference in real life.
Android has Chrome by default and due to this chrome gets boost. Then people prefer Chrome on PC to stay sync
I find chromium browsers terrible when it comes to TH-cam and other video platforms, while FF pulls videos like a muscle car. Firefox has one giant flaw that I wish it were fixed. Scrolling on laptops sucks out of the box. I'd have to change a ton of settings in about:config to get it close to chromium.
I think the framing of use of certain products over others as an "ethical" choice is not accurate /not the right way to think about it. The ethics or the set of values that one has backing up decisions is political. The fact that Mozilla, as opposed to Google, has values makes the choice a political one.
I use Fire Fox everyday...work and personal
Me too :D
As a web developer having more than 6 years experience .. I recommend firefox .
Have been using it for years and yeah sometimes there are problems but they are worth the privacy ..
Multi Profile was a deal breaker
There is an extension to mimic Chrome's multi profile... but extensions are spooky!
I use Firefox for most personal activities and chrome for work. The issue with Firefox currently is that the developer base is not as capable when it comes to responding to security threats. Because of the field I work in, Firefox becomes a nonstarter for that reason unfortunately. If that changes in the future, I will be switching over to use Firefox almost exclusively.
Unfortunately Firefox is not working properly with some wallets (crypto). Never understood why -but for this reason, I have to use Chrome information this.
I was using Firefox fairly recently until I noticed that while the browser was open my Steam downloads went from 900+ mbps to 30 mbps. 👎🗑
Use One Click downloader. It's a FF extension.
@@BigHenFor No, thanks.
I never stopped using it 👍
I have used Firefox as far back as Netscape days. The only time I use Chrome is for youtube