The ULTIMATE Browser Tier List (Based Tier to Spyware Tier)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ค. 2024
- With the amount of web browsers out there, how are you supposed to know which one to use? In this video, I'll rank every popular browser out there from the best to the worst. You want a browser that respects your privacy but is still easy enough to use for normal people. Will Google Chrome come out on top? Find out in this video...
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0:00 Intro
2:16 Brave
5:15 Firefox
6:48 Hardened Firefox
10:28 GNOME Web (Epiphany)
11:48 Google Chrome
12:48 GNU IceCat
16:54 LibreWolf
20:24 Microsoft Edge
20:50 Opera
21:47 Pale Moon
24:31 Qutebrowser
28:41 Ungoogled Chromium
30:55 Vivaldi
35:03 Waterfox
38:08 My recommendations
39:02 Conclusion - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
If you're wondering why I care about privacy so much, watch this video: th-cam.com/video/0aXIXozAsOE/w-d-xo.html
3:45 "(...)so , you're blocking ads from creators , maybe you're watching a TH-camr and you're blocking their ads but instead of the TH-camr getting money from the ad , now Brave is getting the money because you're viewing their ads (...)"
That is such a normie take - Brave doesn't replace the ads they removed with their own, Brave ads are displayed independently as a push-notification.
@@Cymessuch a normie take💀
what about cpu and add blocking, how would be the tier list?
lmao failfox will doxx you and send antifa to your house if you ever say something they deem problematic... such privacy, wow.
Lol this guy is so clueless. brave has garbage ad blocking ability. firefox runs like garbo when so many tabs are open. he's clearly a one-tab-open-at-a-time AKA mobile user.
Google's already collecting everything on my phone because of android I don't think leaving chrome unused does anything meaningful
Time to use MicroG😁
@@canotik not an option on a majority of modern devices without contacting shady companies to unlock the boot loader, and shady methods to rooting your phone
At least your browsing history won’t be collected with Firefox.
@@spamguy1156 I can unlock it without contacting Xiaomi but since I have had this phone for 2 years I don't want to mess with it and erase all of my app data
Even if Google and CIA can get your Webbrowser data don't give it for free.
Using Brave or opera means someone else is selling your data and only that already trims a bit of leverage for Google
People don't hate opera for being owned by a Chinese company, they hate it for being owned by a Chinese company that was sued by the US government for privacy breaches.
Interesting, didn't know that.
I tried it…it was bad…really bad…
If chrome is spyware, then Opera GX is malware!
Auto adds a sidebar, auto defaults to browser of choice, auto sets to launch on startup. Yeah…😅
They aren’t even remotely subtle about it…😂
That is like being sued by Epstein for child abuse. Can't take it seriously.
@@KunoichiPeri it overrides edge on a windows machine as default browser? IMPOSSIBLE
it doesn't ppl just mash tru buttons when setting it up
Brave got caught adding their own referrals to crypto sites within their browser. I think that shows how much they really care about transparency.
And now there's AI bs build in the brave browser, time for me to move on. Maybe i'll try librewolf
I find it baffling that Vivaldi gets shafted merely for not being fully open source, while Brave passes with flying colors depite promoting its weird crypto wallet and being caught red-handed on hardcoding referal links.
Open-source is so overrated
@@SilverInThePitchBlack it definitely isn't, Free software is always better than proprietary s##t
Make some sense but not all, it's possible to read and understand the code Vivaldi ? I guess in terms of transparency it is really worse... Open source is better because of this and usually has more people helping at least that's why i think it's better in terms of spyware which is his anchor in terms of ranking so more transparency is better.
@@Sensorywolf It is, of course, but for the normal consumer? What do they care? What are they doing that they really wanna stay private?
@@SilverInThePitchBlack you do realize open source means you can check for issues and potentially make the program better right?
I think Brave has a great sustainable business that is open source and privacy-respecting. In order for an actively maintained software to keep working they need some type of monetary compensation that is not just donations. Brave runs non-fingerprinting ads, though they can't earn as much as fingerprinting ads, it doesn't track any users. I would recommend to turn the ads on just to show them support, and since the ads' algorithm literally cannot track you, you would not compromise your security.
I didn't know this, thanks.
You can always be tracked 😜
@@tortoisejohnny7227No. Never.
Don't they also compensate you in crypto for you attention, too? So it's a win-win! ...Although I don't use crypto.
@@CosPlaywright Yeah something like 0.1 BAT valued at around 0.19$ per BAT, per week, if you use your browser 2- 3 hours a day at least. You also get browser freeze without reason quite often. Brave rewards are just BS. If you use Brave, don't base your choice on rewards. Accuracy of searches are extremely impacted too if you don't allow precise localisation. Weight the pros and cons depending on your own use and needs. There are a lot of bad browsers out there but not real "good" ones.
"Waterfox is a browser which is focused on privacy and boasting “No Telemetry”. It has been sold to Marketing / Tracking company System1 who also own Startpage."
Not now
One thing you didnt mention is lightness. Chrome will use an absurd amount of ram increasing exponentially with each tab. For people who play a lot and don't like closing their browser every single time, or have 100 yt videos stacked to watch later, vivaldi is probably the best one. It doesnt increase ram for each tab nearly as much because the idle ones are either frozen or kept in another workplace, and in case you need to close it for the extra space it's very easy to save all tabs.
im pretty sure last night i turned on a setting that makes tabs basically freeze completely and not use any memory if they're "idle tabs"
on google chrome
Or just use Opera GX. You can close it/exit the application or even restart your PC and every time, your browser will have the same tabs open. The only way to delete the tabs you have open is manually.
Normal Opera has this as well - i have 100s of tabs open/saved all the time
@@xxboxofmuffinsxx4252There are FAR better browsers than Spywarepera GX.
Vivaldi should be much higher imo, customisation is overkill which is nice. Syncing is great too
chromium based garbage
but brave is also that
@@OxxidCZ
@@OxxidCZGuess who asked
@@officialsamumix
Me.
I did.
Ok Mr chrome, oouuushb you're commenting "chromium based Garbage" hmmm maybe don't fuck around on your CHROMIUM TH-cam app and eith your shitty CHROME and your GOOGLE HOUSE mmabmsjdndn (I typed this on mobile and autocorrect is failing me)
The thing I value the most about Vivaldi is not necessarily the features (although there's loads of stuff that other browsers don't have), but the customization. It feels overwhelming at first, and honestly compared to Firefox or Chrome the first experience is meh af, but you can really change almost everything to your liking. Now you can sync settings too and there's a phone version of it (which is one of few mobile browsers that blocks ads too).
not to mention you can customize the uis css yourself , and the phone version has tabs which is just a must , i can never change away from vivaldi fr
You can CSS design Firefox as you like too
@@astral5698 how can you inspect its ui ?
i switched from real opera (on presto) to vivaldi. im not gonna go wank in a corner over whether something is open source or not, so couldnt care less about that. its just one of the best, most customisable browsers out there.
I always come back to Vivaldi. Stacking tabs is just too useful, I'm a maniac for customization and there's just nothing like it. When I used Waterfox for a while, stacking tabs was THE missing feature
Honestly I also wish they would copy some Opera GX stuff. I love the ambient music, typing sounds and stuff. It's useless, but it's just fun.
Even though Vivaldi's UI is indeed not open source (which I frankly couldn't care less about), I think it should be pointed out that people behind Vivaldi, starting with the CEO himself, have a long and proven track record of caring about and fighting for internet privacy, and Vivaldi's default settings generally reflect that.
Also, something I think is really cool about Vivaldi the company behind the browser, is the fact that it is technically owned by the employees - even though the CEO owns the majority share, every employee also has a share.
It's also made by the original Opera team before it was sold out to the Chinese, making Opera spyware and Vivaldi the safer version of Opera.
Was one of the main reasons I switched from Opera to Vivaldi after years and years. Vivaldi just uses features they invented when working on Opera before the sell-out.
Also aren't there many other ways your browser can collect data from you even if the browser is fully open-sourced?
The fact that he put firefox, a browser by mozilla, a company known for their support of internet censorship above Vivaldi
@@WeldersFSCRemember the time when the original Opera had a web server built in so you could host your own cloud services
Oh I noticed the UI was a lot like Opera. It looks like it may actually have a real bookmark bar though, so I'm going to download it and try it. Palemoon is the only browser on his list that has a real bookmark bar.@@WeldersFSC
I am not power user, though I prefer Vivaldi, and I still don't use such features as calendar, notes, feed, etc. It's all about customness of the browser itself for me, I made it convenient. And the killer feature for me is interfaceless mode (don't confuse with fullscreen) which allows convenient work with several windows at once.
quite obviously he doesn't use a browser to work or doesn't understand that a good browser should be reliable, flexible and offer easy ways to manage complicated tasks. He just wants to yammer on tht he doesn't use expedia, but can't hit the "minus" tab to delete the quick link. He'd go insane if he saw how complex and rich Vivaldi can be for a researcher.
I've used Brave for years, but I may consider switching to Vivaldi if the security and adblocking features are as effective.
Have you switched to any with such decent security and adblocking?
@@unholydonuts I've never had a problem with Brave in this regard.
@@BridgetGX Discovered Brave through NBTV, seems like a great chromium option.
Ad blocker and traffic blocking is on point
It is the reason I personally use it
I’ve been using LibreWolf as my daily driver for more than a year ago and it’s great for me, that sweet spot between privacy and not compromising your experience with crashed web sites all over the place.
Same. I have both LibreWolf and Firefox, but I use LibreWolf most of the time...I only use Firefox for the sites LibreWolf doesn't really play nice with.
LibreWolf hasn't paired up well with KeePassXC for me, so I still use Firefox. :/
I really did like how few settings I had to mess with using LibreWolf though.
@@whannabi are u being ironic?
@@thejourneyoffaith8116no, they're being alluminic
@@whannabi yeah let me watch videos on my terminal
Hardened Firefox is the way to go. Took me about a week tweaking the settings to improve some quality of life stuff, but after I was done I never looked back.
I really wanted to try Vivaldi, it looks amazing, but I also tend to avoid closed source when an open source option is available.
Close source is more likely to be spyware tier💀
Get fucked, open source fanatics
@@VallisMansonOfficial Cryptocurrency browsers like Brave are worse
Erect firefox has the worst logo
@@Sr.Anonimo-bk1uzno
Vivaldi has been my fav so far though I haven’t tried them all. It’s significantly better than anything else I’ve tried. Any feature you want you can simply press F2 and type from switch to a name tab, workspace, keyboard shortcut, etc
Also, I need very few plugins to make it as good as it needs to be for my tastes.
Btw. If I was the creator of Vivaldi I wouldn’t wanna give away all my secrets either. And no, I’m not bitter and won’t be disliking your video, lol.
Tab stacking and workspaces are essential, once you use them once. Other browsers need an add-on for these features and are nowhere near as good as Vivaldi's baked in features. Honestly though, if FF implemented tab stacking like Vivaldi, I'd probably switch back to it.
Is it possible somehow to bring a UI like oldfirefox/palemoon to Brave? :D I have looked for it, but didn't find anything like that. Sry, but my OCD don't let me skip the menu line on the top.
Honestly, Waterfox is much more than just preconfigured Firefox, it also has some _really_ neat features like being able to open private tabs in the same window as your other regular tabs if you want to, or having support for (some) Chromium extensions, which is insane for how fast that browser actually works! Features like these really do make the bargain for me, personally.
waterfox's logo is way better ngl
@@Miguellyy Dude the original FireFox logo is iconic... I was hoping WaterFox's would just be the same thing but with a blue fox
@@DanteToskathe waterfox logo was like that at some point (pre 2016/2017ish i think?)
@@Nunuchu42also IceCat/IceWeasel
In addition, they went completely independent again as of July.
Vivaldi is 100% based. I know some of the team behind it and they are truly great people.
You think that absolutely bloated shit of a web browser can stand along with an hardened firefox and librewolf?
@@juhaeerjayran4246 100%
@@benf4531 imagine using a closed source browser. See i want a browser which just allows me to browse the internet and not an entire os
@@juhaeerjayran4246 imagine complaining about a company protecting their intellectual property.
@@benf4531 brave does that firefox does that so why cant vivaldi huh? and also you didn't answer my second argument which is about vivaldi being more of a os than a browser which is completely unnecessary
I'm a Vivaldi user, there is no other browser which can reach in regards of versatility and functionality, plus it has no record of any spy-activities or security breaches, and is developed and managed by very experienced veterans of browser development. I particularly like its ad block functions (I still don't have any problems with YT's anti adblock scheme), the tab stacking, and the integrated mail client. When it finally gets a platform crossing calendar, it has everything I wish for. To put it into the second worst tier just because parts of its code is not open source doesn't convince me to change.
You do realize it takes 15 seconds to install Ublock origin right? Having a built in mediocre adblocker is not a selling feature. And btw the youtube anti adblock thing was getting rolled out slowly, same as when they started removing dislikes, it wasnt an overnight change
@@ThunderingRoar I use Vivaldi and the only time I saw any TH-cam ads or the "adblockers aren't allowed" message after the adblock ban was put in place was *after* I had installed a third-party adblock. The Vivaldi adblocker has worked perfectly for me so far, been using it for most of this year. I've read a lot of user messages complaining about having to refresh/clear the cache of Ublock to get it to work for TH-cam (and having to do this once every few days), but with Vivaldi I've not had to do that. I think the built in adblock is better than many that I've seen, but maybe that's just me
I dont think its meant to convince you to change. Its his tier list and he doesnt trust closed source code.
I dont either, do i think viv is havesting 3x as much data as google? No not at all. But im wary of anything i cant look over myself and know exactly what and why its doing something. Id probably rank it about the same for that reason fantastic features or no.
it's definitely reliable, extremely flexible and relatively easy to customize... and seriously doubt if there is a better browser for daily research and work between desktop and internet or even between websites on the internet. Only the original firefox was so flexible but it always crashed and too often broke.
Completely agree
What would you recommend for android then? Librewolf or waterfox are what im looking at doing on my pc but what browser should i swap mobile too? Preferably something that would sink woth either or both of those 2
late but I'd recommend Iceraven
Vivaldi was launched after the developers of Opera realized that the company they sold out to wiggled out of previous agreements.
I've been using browsers since the beginning of the WWW. I've tried numerous browsers over a span of many years including Opera, Chrome, Vivaldi, Brave, LibreWolf, Firefox, etc. I have to have a browser that combines a high degree of privacy with the ability to configure the browser the way I want it, not the way the company 'thinks' I want it. I gave both Vivaldi and Brave a whirl, but became frustrated when I couldn't configure them to my satisfaction. I currently have Firefox, LibreWolf, and Tor installed on my desktop, but use Firefox the vast majority of the time, and so far no other browser has convinced me to abandon it.
Brave being open source is what caught my attention. Been 8 months of use and loving it! Hopefully it stays the same so I don’t have to get used to another interface.
How has it been so far for you?
Brave's sync is best between another browsers.
I love this browser for features.
It's interesting to know that the creator of this browser is the same person who created JavaScript :)
hey, i have some questions about security. how much difference it makes if i use security browser but using google search? have i done anything that way or i need to change the search engin too
Vivaldi is the spiritual successor to Opera 12, the best browser that ever existed. Heck, I used that version of opera even years, after the last release (it still got a few security updates). It was the absolute best browser one could ever ask for and Vivaldi gets quite close to that. Obviously Vivaldi is already a better browser, but that is because of modern times. Nevertheless, at this moment there is no better browser available and I can only recommend anybody to at least test it for a few month.
The one issue I have with Vivaldi is that I like traditional Chromium's tab groups over Vivaldi's tab stacks, and have had issues where the browser's internal tab order and what it shows to the user go out of sync which breaks Ctrl+Tab predictability. I haven't used it in a while to know if that bug's been fixed, but the tab stacks are a killer in a bad way for me. Still my #2 rec after Brave.
CLOSED SOURCE
@@moioyoyo848?
@@notyoutube8128 stupid
@@Komatik_you can deactivate tab stacks in the settings. I think you can even deactivate stacking completely. You can also maybe use the mouse gestures to have tab switching more reliably
Nice to see someone else's insight into these browsers. I'm personally gonna stick to vanilla Firefox (with some settings I changed), but maybe in the future I'll consider applying a user.js file.
Yeah. For me, sticking to 3rd party companies is a bigger concern than privacy, though privacy is still a major concern. Vivaldi seems like it has too much going on, and I’m honestly not too upset by generalized/anonymized telemetry going to Mozilla.
@@LordBeefWhat do you even mean by 3rd party companies
@@greenhat7618 I assume he meant the small names unlike Google, Apple and Microsoft and that he doesn't trust them.
Great video! Very informative.
I totally agree with the spyware tier, however you could have given some more arguments why those browsers belong there.
Also I would be very curious what do you think about Arc browser and Safari.
Really amazing video. Thank you!
Do you have another video on Android browsers? I really want to move away from Google, and was looking at maybe Librewolf, but I still want the convenience of having my windows pc browser linked to my android phone. Such as sharing history, searches, autofills, account logins ,etc
Something being "open source" does not automatically mean it's good or vice versa. But sure, as you are ranking "spyware", I guess not being able to literally see everything does detract points.
"Delete cookies and site data when Firefox is closed" is the way to go in my opinion. If I actually need a certain website to store cookies persistently on my PC, I can just add it to the exceptions. That being said, the process of managing the exceptions is way more cumbersome than it needs to be. I would like a simple button in the menu bar to toggle whether or not to keep this domain's site data across sessions (with the option to only trust a subdomain).
@@g4utham You can either just click "Accept" in the knowledge that they will be erased at the end of the session anyway. Or use an extension like Ghostery's Never-Consent to deny non-essential cookies by default.
If it is exceptions nothing does it better than uMatrix, from the author of uBlock Origin. Never seen a better way to do it.
Question.
I have seen you put nearly all the attention on privacy for your list.
But privacy aside... as feature and performance. Who is the best and how the lis would change?
Because I already Use brave with some tweak for normal browsing and it's OK for me. BUt sometime I like more performance and mostly, low weight on system, for example Watching outube while gaming...ad as when I'm in youtube Google already see everything... not a big deal if it reads again the same thing.
3 month old comment but if privacy and open source isnt your first concerns, vivaldi is probably perfect for whatever you use a browser for
Thank you Eric Murphy, amazing video and explanations on every browser! Thank you very much for this informative video.
Ranks Vivaldi as "Mediocre" tier because the UI is closed source, despite the fact that Vivaldi as a company have proven their mettle in respecting and guarding user privacy, even hosting their own open source Mastodon instance...
Ranks Waterfox as "Excellent" tier, despite the fact that it's literally owned by an advertising company, and providing no evidence of research that they've not been harvesting data. Seems to me just trusting the advertising company that they've not been doing exactly that is a great idea.
Seems legit 🤔
Very helpful, thank you. A couple of things, though:
- All JavaScript code that runs in a browser is viewable. The only way to secure it is to obfuscate it, but that takes about a day for anyone with know-how to work out.
- Chrome, Edge, and Opera are *not* closed-source, but portions of the code (no more than 20%) are.
So only the portions concerning phone home telemetry, data harvesting and poc browser fingerprinting techniques are closed source from the Chromium fork? Thank my lucky stars, let me go install Chrome at once! Next you'll be telling me the CCP is a good governing body.
Im not sure thats much of a distinction. He admitted Vivaldi is mostly open source but not entirely and still called that closed source.
I feel its a fair statement to say that a program is not open source if its not 100 percent open source.
my laptop has only 2 gb ram can you please recommended which browser is lightweight and consume less ram . brave or ungoggled chromium which browser you recommend for 2gb ram laptop ??
man if you still using a 2gb ram laptop then pls change it ight if ya dont have cash then ok
I think ungoogle chromium would be better listen im just a random guy so if ya dont wanna the dont
what do think about sidekick? Looks really impressive and I hear a lot of really good things about it
Vivaldi also has lightweight version without all features that nobody would think about using in a browser.... and if you want, you can activate them without having to reinstall
I used Firefox starting in around 2009, then switched to Chrome for a while. In 2020 when I got a new computer, I switched back to Firefox, and it didn't occur to me that there could be something better.
is there a hardened edge browser? I only have 4GB ram, I was using hardened Firefox for a long time, but edge does have some features built-in (like auto tab hibernation, shortcut for duplicating tab, quick Spotify side panel, and is faster on windows) / (I know some of these can be achieved using extensions, but it also adds on the bulk) and these help it run a lot faster than Firefox. I have changed few important settings on my own but would love to strip down it a little more.
No, its not open source, based on chromium, its one of the worst privacy browsers. Best you can do is use a good dns server (like mullvad which has ad and tracker blocking for free), enable privacy settings, setup ublock origin with all filters enabled and auto clear cookies but add exceptions for sites where you dont want to be logged out and clear history often. Also if you are a little more experienced, you can try switching to some lightweight linux distro which could save your ram and even better privacy
Thanks for the video! Good info, I can't help but wonder though if you truly have never heard of gnomes, or if the company pronounces the G on purpose lol.
Yeah Vivaldi even though it is tailored for power user and it is really flexible, I kinda wish the developers were faster in implementing stuffs and fixing bugs, like this version 6.1 is still suffering some crashes from some service worker (shazam e.g.) extensions and new, no login profile after a while.
I still wish they didn't rely on Chrome. Maybe pulling extensions from the web is fine... but A LOT of extensions I searched in the Chrome Store (AdNauseam, PrivacyPossum, CanvasBlocker) don't exist there, and the Ad/tracking blocker setting doesn't tell WHAT they are really blocking, nor can it be customized (it only has "Off, Ad block, and Ad+Track block, no text). And the mobile version, right now, has no support for extensions at all.
I think there is compromise for in-browser customization, but no 3rd-party support, being Chromium-based (even if it is ungoogled) and being closed source is complicated. That is just my own opinion, though. It does surprise me that, while using it, it felt (as mentioned) like an OS in itself.
@@NothingXemnas Chromium is still getting much support, and it is kinda hard to get something else can compete against. Cmiiw but i only know some web engines like gecko which is not all good enough, even extremely slow for some websites I use, webkit is just for macos and the old engine from opera got scrapped. As long as web devs still prefers the api provided by google and chromium and no big support for others, the best solution is still a dual browser with a chromium-based one and new browser will still pick chromium as a base. Also due to so many differences in chromium and gecko engine, even if vivaldi decides to create their own extension store and allow those, they might not work at all. Fitefox multi-account container is one example.
Vivaldi although has come far away from its start and it is slowly getting its name, there are some road blocks. Vivaldi is still a niche browser with so many experiments, suggestion is overwhelming and limited (24 iirc for all the platforms) staff. Afaik in nearly 100 top suggestions, only about 20 is in progress or in pipelene stage (including some like extension support in mobile browser, session customization). Bugs are still a problem too with so many things inside browser and privacy features are still in need for reform. So for me we can only hope for the browser to stay strong and have more staffs or help to tackle the problems.
@@NothingXemnas i wish it was open source. if you have nothing to hide, why hide it?
@@cewla3348 i mean... if you made a recipe of a dish or drink, and want it to make it something only you have, wouldn't you keep it for yourself without ever sharing it? While i can see the reasonable concerns and doubts about it not being open source i also can see the point of not sharing the UI so nobody else can copy them, so they have these features and make them something only they offer as a personal and unkque touch.
when you worry so much about your privacy then dont use internet, simple as that, there is always going to be some app that is going to steal your info
Or just don't use any of your real information on the Internet.
Thank you for this good instructions. I like Firefox a lot, but one thing that bothers me a lot is that when I start typing in the search field, it immediately appears in the address field. Is it possible to change so that the text remains in the search box the entire time I type?
Thats a very interesting question, i dont know if its possible but may i ask why is that an issue?
@@ok-mx1mi I want the text to be in front of my eyes. When I use Avast Browser and even Opera, there is just as want it to work. But Firefox has other good things as I like a lot.
I was able to type text into the search bar before in Firefox, but for some reason this has changed. This annoys me and that's why I stopped using Google Chrome as well.
Opera doesn't seem to be as secure. Avast Browser is very secure as I understand it, but it is not possible to fix custom layout very well. But now I use Avast Secure Browser as the best best browser, because it is so safe together with Avast Antivirus all functions.
i would like to use a different browser beside chrome but i don't know of any that sync bookmarks with an account, which i require with how often i add/remove them, and I don't want to have to extract and back them up every time i do in case something happens to my PC
use ungoogled chromium
Have you done a best and worst search engines? I'm curious how search engine stacks up to each other. I'd also like to see it include "old school" search engines like Lycos, Exite, webcrawler etc.
Already made it: th-cam.com/video/Yjm6lGwqnGs/w-d-xo.html
As a Vivaldi user, I weep, but I understand your reasons. I just really like its features, having an all-in-one package.
i love vivaldi, but on mac it has problems. still use it though.
Is it faster than chrome? I run with 2 profiles and I'm thinking of switching to it.
@@Grogueman I don't expect it would be necesarilly faster than chrome with all the features Vivaldi offers. Maybe look into something like Brave or ungoogled-chromium?
yes. Use vivaldi my friend, I tried literally every browser; chrome, opera, firefox, edge but I gotta say, Vivaldi is the best browser I have ever seen in my whole life! @@Grogueman
@@GroguemanIts way faster than chrome and also way better
I admire your choices. The only thing I would like you to talk about in your video are the two arc and safari browsers. Specially safari because there are tons of people using it through IOS and Mac. What is your opinion about these two?
Arc is great. I assume he would hate it because it’s not open source, but the speed of updates and communication from the Arc team is truly wild. I made a suggestion once and two weeks later the feature was fully implemented into the released version. The privacy stuff really just isn’t a big concern for me, I’m already logged into Microsoft and Google for 95% of the stuff I have to do on the web anyway and the polish and purposeful design of Arc goes a long way.
I have a question for iPhone or iPad users, do you think that by installing a browser other than Safari you are simply using a "skin" and are you really using the same engine that powers Safari (WebKit)? I ask the question because I have seen this on several forums.
I heard the same thing. Something with it being an obligation for being in the app-store. iOS is very gated when it comes to access of its various parts.
The way you talked about Vivaldi was like you've never used it. The vertical tab stacks & workspaces are great.
I have my tabs in Vivaldi set at the bottom of the screen. The real way tabs should be used. 😁
@@jeffreycole2816shit… I never thought about it like that bro… “the way tabs SHOULD BE” omg it’s so true
I've been using Vivaldi since I believe 2017 or 2018, at the time, I just used it because it was pretty good with privacy and the tab stacking was super useful. I have enjoyed seeing more and more features being introduced over the years, and it hasn't been overwhelming for me because of that, but I'm sure getting it now could be overwhelming.
Tab stacking in the old days of Vivaldi was pretty horrible. I remember fighting that feature. Thing is there were no way to reorganize tabs other than stacking them. Try to move a tab left or right on the tab bar and nothing happened. You could (working from malfunctioning memory) open up some window ant try to reorganize them, but if I remember correctly that was very hit and miss. It took years but eventually the developers got around to fixing this and today it's almost flawless.
I originally went with Vivaldi just because Opera was absolutely refusing to even consider enabling tab stacking on the "New" Opera versions they released after 12.14 (I think it was) when they abandoned Presto.
I started using Opera way back when a part of their goal was that the installation file for Opera would always fit on a standard 1.44 MB floppy... I stayed with them through 12.14, and kept using it for years, waiting for Opera to finally get their head out of their ass and implement tab stacking again. But when 12.14 no longer worked on most sites, I think it was TH-cam that finally broke me, I tried just about every browser there was trying to find a new home.
Firefox for some reason rubbs me the wrong way. I felt clunky and they had just changed over to a modern UI that I hated. Sure it can be customized, and sure there's an extension for that, what ever that is. But after a while I just couldn't stand hunting for extensions that broke with updates of FF and so on.
Chrome was the browser I ended up using a lot for a year or so. Still a lot of things that had to be done by installing extensions, but at least it wasn't quite as clunky as FF. Never really had any performance problems with Chrome even when people were crying about memory usage and CPU hogging. Guess I was lucky. But no matter what extensions I tried I couldn't find something that let me stack tabs the way I used to in Opera 12.14 and earlier. I think tab stacking was introduced in Opera around version 5 or 6, so it was an old friend by 12.14.
Vivaldi was something I found when I googled tab stacking and opera. And it turned out that some of the devs came from the old development team at Opera. And they had largely the same complaints about the "New" Opera releases as I did. What's more it was possible to relatively easily set Vivaldi up with the menus and everything looking much like the old Opera I had thought was lost forever. So that's what I run up until this day.
What I love about Opera is that it is a complete package. You do not need to hunt down all kinds of extensions just to get a working browser. Most everything you may need is built in, but you do not need to use it. Don't want to use the mail client? Fine ignore it and it won't ever show up. Same with the RSS reader and so on. Personally I run two, maybe three extensions. Tamper Monkey and Return TH-cam Dislikes are the only two I have enabled.
so do all those privacy things on by default in librewolf?
putting brave above firefox is unhinged lol
If youtube hadn't tried to kill my adblocker, I never would have found this channel - and this video - and learned how easy it would be to find a safer and more secure browsing experience. Thankyou!
Librewolf on PC with Mull on Android is a great combination, and Firefox Sync between the two of them makes them even better. I love the convenience of Librewolf by providing toggle settings on certain hardened privacy settings (resist.Fingerprinting, strict policy, etc.) to combat website breakage.
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What browser should I use for iOS?
@@goofyahdemoman1134 there are not many options on ios, safari is ok and firefox or duckduckgo is also good. Dont forget to change your settings and add ublock origin if possible
What is Fingerprinting? Curious here
You should have done a tier chart with spywaryness and the general user experience.
Firefox would win
I use chrome, and will continue to do so. I use lots of google services and the integration is nice, and _in my experience_ it is the fastest browser. Yes it’s a resource hog, but I don’t multitask to much, and all those resources it uses are what makes it so fast. When it comes to data, I honestly don’t trust any free browser to not take loads of data, so I’d rather just use the browser I’m familiar with and like
It IS the fastest. I am also a Chrome user. PPL who crap all over chrome because of google should also throw away their apple phones and/or andriod phones.
Just be wary of what u do on the web, and that it can always be tracked.
I used Chrome mainly ever since I started webdeveloping since it was the fastest and also showed the sites and apps as they are supposed to and you didn't have to throw in fallbacks and workarounds. all the chromium engine based Browser are also still open source. only parts of it aren't. The main is still open source.
Firefox is a pain in the a**. when u set it up that it works fine, the next update will break it again. it's freakin slow and made me rage while developing xD
also these days the resource hogging of Chrome shouldn't really be a problem. Power users have enough resources. if you have 100+ tabs open, you have other issues xD
I use Firefox because I wanted to try something new, and because even though I know I'll never be sure that I'll be private on the web with any browser that's not developed by me 😂 lol, I don't wanna hand out everything to Google without making them work at least a bit
God I hate that most people just ignore that every chromium based browser just isnt cutting it, as google has the ultimate control over the future development of the underlying engine meaning that if they want to cripple their competition they easily can
Everything was cool, but I wanted one more comparison factor, that is memory consumption.
Also, I have switched from Librewolf to Hardened FF since it broke some of the websites I used. Pretty cool vid btw.
Thanks! I probably should have talked more about memory consumption, but since most of the browsers are just based on Chromium and Firefox, they're all mostly the same...
Memory consumption could be argued as a user issue, where the user could simply add ram to compensate.
@@madthumbs1564 Right, it would probably factor into my rankings more if I was using an older machine with less RAM
@@skulverproblem is that most people have 4-8 gigs of ram, so optimizing it would be a lot better, unless you promote your browser as a high end browser
@@ulink265 apps can already see the total amount of ram (unless they fucked that over) so just... scale based off total ram
Can you switch your settings from edege to Firefox ??
I use Netscape Navigator 4.5
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Vivaldi is top tier for me and i tried everything.
After customizing everything to my needs i can easily organize and run hundreds of tabs at once and with mouse gestures and the likes i can switch to any tab i want in a split second without even using the tab bar for the most part.
When people see me use it they're blown away by how fast I'm able to browse the web, page tiling, have hundreds of tabs open, different work spaces and such and all at a high speed and reasonable ram usage
Nothing comes close for me as a power user
Would you recommend tips for Vivaldi? I tried it once but it was so overwhelming I went back to Chrome 😅
@@lonenightmare9668 set mouse gestures for going back and forth through your tabs in order, to close and reopen tabs and to refresh the page. You can make those whatever makes sense for you. Then enable the list tab switcher or something like that so if you hold right click and scroll, you can scroll through a list of all your open tabs.
This makes it so you never have to use your tabs and navigation bar pretty much and speeds up your browsing immensely
One of my complaints with vivaldi was that they just delete things. I had been using the "Olive" theme that came default, and they decided to delete it and poof goes my preferred theme. I couldn't trust it to not change any of my other settings since then, so good luck to you if you have a configuration with hours put into it
seems like might be usefull when pacificaly want to compare two webpages when reseraching.
@@lonenightmare9668 Start slow, just use the simple stuff like you would be if you used chrome/brave/firefox. They are all pretty simple browsers by comparison, so just use it like you use those. Use it like reskinned chrome if you will. Over time you WILL eventually learn a new thing here and there. Over time, one new thing here and there results in knowing a LOT about the browser.
When I first started using it, I was also really overwhelmed. Now with time, I feel that I have a really solid handle on most of vivaldi's features, settings, and using the power features to dramatically blitz through my workflow and no longer feel overwhelmed with it at all.
What completely sold me on Vivaldi is customisable shortcuts. Now I finally have pretty much the same user expirience I had with the old Opera.
I love everything except the choice of keeping green for "Spyware tier" and red for "Based tier" when colors indicate otherwise.
I use vivaldi but mainly for the mouse gestures. and the costumizability. I have only the tabs and bookmarks bar visible all other stuff I can turn on and off with the mouse gestures. like the adress bar, side panel he showed, even the settings page are all toggled by mouse gestures. and many other things like switching/moving tabs, closing them, creating a bookmark so on
I use Firefox sync quite often, and I love that I have the ability to send tabs from my phone to my computer, and vise versa. I do have some of the more useless stuff in Firefox disabled, but I really like the close to default setup I use.
Opera GX is certainly fun regardless of how safe it is and they make it really easy to customize it in interesting ways such as sound effects for typing and background music for browsing.
So it's great if you need your browser to have extra stimuli without needing to open a new tab or run a background program specifically for a very niche thing like sound effects that play while typing.
Fr. Opera GX has by far the most useful features that I’ve ever seen on a browser. Caring as much as this guy about browsers “stealing ur data” is kinda silly tbh. Not only are they probably looking at useless data and no more than that, but what would they do if they did have it anyway? The large majority of the world seems to use Chrome, and I don’t think I’ve ever heard anything about anyones data on Chrome actually being used for anything harmful.
@@oscarjenkins7505my thoughts exactly. They can steal what my eating habits and all other stuff for all I care. As long as it isnt stealing my credit card info and gets the job done Im using it
@@oscarjenkins7505I mean I remember the case of Google giving away location data to police because a random guy ran near a investigation which then lead to him being arrested and harassed.
Opera GX is just so good. Also is chromium, so it works well with the majority of extensions. Also the company being "chinese" you know what they said the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Opera gx knows your ip, run
Hi. Can I use Chrome extensions on Vivaldi?
Vivaldi's UI isn't open source, but the rest of the brower is. They consider the UI their secret sauce, and looking at all the things they pack into the browser, I can understand why.
It's undeniable that Vivaldi throws the kitchen sink at users, but most of it you can turn off and/or ignore. The installation process even asks you if you want the mail, calendar, and RSS enabled.
The thing I like most about Vivaldi is the tab management. No other browser gives you the flexibility with tab management that Vivaldi does, between the stacked tabs and the workspaces. The Quick Commands are pretty good, too.
I can respect that it's more browser than a lot of people want, though. It depends on what you use your browser for.
Can I have tab headers in a list on the side in this browser?
Also satisfied with Vivaldi. To me the UI being closed source is a plus from a security perspective. Makes it more time consuming to make a fake clone of it.
Cent browser is good analog chrome, have tips like autonomous tabs.
Vivaldi it has sidebar support with opening tabs (it's a pity that it's not a tree, but others don't have that) and the design theme with transparency is very beautiful.
cent browser is only in windows, so i used linux.
The problem with Cent is that it's rarely updated.
Before watching this video I had never even heard of Vivaldi. However, those features are like everything I have ever wanted, an absolute godsend. I've been setting it up the past hours and already had so many "how did I ever live without this?" moments. Also, I do not find it particularly overwhelming, because the implementations of stuff are sensible.
So now I'll have 3 browsers - Vivaldi as default thing, Hardened Firefox for things where privacy matters and TOR. Yeah, I suppose I feel happy with that.
Can you give me a few examples to where you would use Hardened Firefox ? Thinkin of doing a multi browser setup too...
@@Elyciumbamzl mostly banking, visiting websites run by my government and visiting websites which I want to know as little about me as possible, such as TikTok when someone sends me a link.
I've not used it a lot since going to Vivaldi, though. I set up two different browser profiles for Vivaldi, which since I can have them open at the same time has been going great. Keeps the primary profile history etc. clean without giving up the ability to have a history or being logged into accounts.
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@@Nihilismgaming Sup
Ok this is a Browser video. Great info. I know .... but If I want to change from google calendar where should I look ?
Thanks for the video... Gave me a good excuse to totally drop chrome and normal firefox :) Also had Brave running and now Librewolf
I love Vivaldi, I didn't know there was a fanbase, but I love how many features it has. It even has its own Twitter lol.
For me the reason to switch from Firefox to Palemoon had less to do with Firefox changing layout and look (because those can be easily fixed), but more to do with constant regressions. It's really annoying when things work, you install updates, and things stop working, because apparently some of your plugins and addons are not compatible with the new version of Firefox. So you have to constantly either search for new plugins and addons to replace the ones that ain't working, or you have to use Firefox bare without addons, or you have to stop installing Firefox updates.
Neither of those options seemed good to me, so that's why I opted for Palemoon.
I don't know what addons and plugins you use, but i never had any problem like that.
@@tovarishcheleonora8542 me either
Pray the day you ever engage with the Palemon devs, you'll repent the rest of your life from ever touching it. Go LibreWolf.
I may be using Palemoon soon because it has a real bookmarks bar. I don't know why literally every single browser deleted bookmark bars from their UI. Super annoying, and like you said, regressive.
@@TehButterflyEffect You can press ctrl shit b on most modern browsers to show or hide the bookmark bar. That way it only shows when you need it, and doesnt take up space
Can you do a video with more details about how to best setup Firefox for security and privacy, etc? Thanks in advance.
OK that was very informative, found a browser I would have to test in the top tier. Thanks for the video.
4 things that only vivaldi can do, that now I cannot live without:
1. Fully customizable shortcuts, mouse gestures and additional functions on keyboard. Everything can be reassigned
2. Accordion tab stacking. Try it now, it'll make every workspace so tidy and organised
3. Quick search enging switching. I just type the first letter of a search engine, and it'll search with it. Example: "w sausage" will search for sausages on wikipedia, and "b dolphins" will search for dolphins on Bing, speaking of Bing...
4. Vivaldi spoofs Bing Chat, making it work on the only browser other than Edge. And being honest, It's the only browser you should use Bing Chat on.
opera gx (and probably opera) can actually do all 4 of these if you look in the settings, but of course privacy wise i would rather have another browser like vivaldi even if opera has a vpn
@@waspie3132last I checked Brave isn’t spyware, so it has that going for it.
4 sold me. I was wondering how to get that functionality outside of Edge.
The whole "open source" thing really only works if the code is COMPILED by a trusted source. A browser can be open sources, but a company can add whatever they want to it before compiling it, and you would have no way to know for sure. If you compile from the source yourself, you know for sure.
What if you use a binary diff utility? Compare the one compiled from source code by you, and the one compiled by the source. If there's diffs that are not timestamp related, there's something going on
@@Anonimul007 that works great... If you have exactly the same compiler.
I use NixOS and it either compiles software locally or it pulls the binaries from a trusted cache after verifying the checksum. This is also part of what makes NixOS fully reproducible, making sure that everything is exactly the same after rebuilding.
@@harrkev they usually disclose that, as far as i know.
@@fabiandrinksmilk6205 same thing with gentoo but not a lot of people use that
Huh thats weird, is it possible firefox works diffrent in eu? i have not disabled anything , and i do not have nothing weird in top left corner, dont have google analytics, firefox pocket i disabled, so yeah like i dont know, seems really weird
Idk but i im from europe and had to harden it
Used to be a Waterfox user for a while because they actually had a 64-bit version, while Firefox was still 32-bit on Windows.
Thank you for recommending Libre Wolf. I've been using Firefox for quite some time, but mostly use Brave like I currently am right now. I will definitely consider it as a substitute for Firefox if all goes well.
Ideal browser for me would have aesthetics, customization and RAM, CPU and network limiter options like Opera GX, default privacy settings like Brave, tile features like Vivaldi, synchronization like Firefox and speed like Google Chrome with a nice built-in password manager and VPN on top.
So... Regular Opera. Which has every single thing you just mentioned. I'm on Linux, so I can't use GX but regular Opera has your whole list and then some.
@@AlexanderAddams regular opera has page tiling? and default privacy settings?
@@AlexanderAddamsopra sells data lol
@@ra1n7 yep
@@eschernadeau9287 are you saying this whole writing it on TH-cam owned by Google?
i been using brave for a month now and i have noticed that everythings is slow and deleyed everytime i watch youtube its either delayed or my video keeps stopping and laggy
I suspect I have a pretty good idea as why that is ...
I couldn't get any website besides youtube to play any videos. I would like to use secure fox, and I was hoping I could configure the settings enough, but I just couldn't figure out what I was missing. Even with a new Linux VM and regualr firefox, I couldn't get anything besides youtube to work.
Nice vid, i would have enjoyed even more if there were also a performance comparison.
For Pale Moon, it has better compatibility with old websites (like still being able to run adobe flash) and so is cool to have on your side
I'm frustrated this got overlooked, I don't use Pale Moon as a primary browser but it's quite literally necessary and invaluable for certain things. Old weird things like NPAPI that still require internet explorer work in Pale Moon, especially after microsoft deprecated ie. The ie compatibility in edge doesn't work for those things at all.
so i can still play moshi monsters? lol
There are a few departments at my job that depend on Pale Moon, because they use a service that only runs in it. This was even before Internet Explorer got put out of our misery. Hurrah for government ineptitude.
Question: Which of these non-spyware tier ones have VPN? I'm an Opera user solely for its VPN feature. I'm from a country that has a tad better internet censorship situation in China or Iran so I will need a VPN for a number of reasons.
vpn extensions or those browser vpns will **sell** your data no exceptions, unless u dont care its all good
if you're using a vpn use one that's installed on your system not on the browser. also try if DNS over HTTPS setting on a firefox fork work
Tried half of them and stopped at Brave. Never before heard of Librewolf but looks like good pick. Thank You for this video.
For me I mused to use Firefox but found it got bigger and bigger on resource usage so moved to Vivaldi. Today my PC has enough performance to not really care, but I design FPGAs so need gigabytes of mem (min 64gb for our largest chips).
Regarding search I gave up on google since the first page returned from a search is often just adverts, but bing gives the best results for programming topics, nothing is perfect but these work for me and one critism I would have for many of the browsers you praise is UI. Where is the home button for example? Too many browsers go so minimalist that they become painful to use.
As for opensource, not a plus or minus.
The biggest fear is opensource can mean the product gets dropped since no one is getting paid. Sure you can look inside for bugs but code is big and I know the software guys at our company are like every company (in the west at least - no idea for China), they take pride and responsibility for what they create.
I've mostly used Firefox since the late 2000's. I used to really like opera back in the day. Icecat sounds pretty cool in theory, I have big respect for stallman
Me too, firefox was the best one in the 2000's.
What site has facial recognition for image searches?
I had to rewatch this video again after a few months and I have to say this is the most based tierlist so far 🔥 (please include Mercury next time)
I'd put Brave one tier above because you can ignore the crypto thing completely so it doesn't have any downsides. Other than that, the speed it offers just makes it Based tier without any downsides
I'd be interested to see how Apple's safari browser compares security-wise to these PC browsers.
Never thought id hear apple and secure in the same sentence lmao
shut up nigga@@ThePhantomGodofNight
@@ThePhantomGodofNight It is secure, but not against Apple
@@ThePhantomGodofNight are you really saying that apple products are not secure?
@@sabhyasoni4485 theyve been selling your info to the highest bidder for decades
I think the fingerprinting issue should be disabled by default but accessible on the bar to toggle on if it breaks a site.
I've used many browsers over the 2 decades I've been using the internet for, but Vivaldi's been the best one IMO. I can't see myself switching back to the alternatives.
I've been using Vivaldi for a few years and ultimately decided I don't like it. I hid all the excessive buttons, sidebars, etc. from the start and it takes some time to get configured if you're like me and don't want all that crap. The tab stacking is really nice and, it's best feature imo, background tab hibernating. I like to keep a ton of tabs open and it's really great for that.
On the downside, some features are buggy and annoying. The workspaces option is a neat idea and helps compartmentalize things if you have a ton of tabs open. But at the same time, I was once trying to close workspaces I no longer needed and Vivaldi ended up crashing and I lost all my open tabs. The download manager sucks too. Resuming a download if you lose connection almost never works, and sometimes it glitches out when trying to clear completed downloads and will end up removing things that are being currently downloaded.
I started using Brave recently and like it much better. Didn't really have to change any settings or add extensions out of the box. The only thing I miss about Vivaldi is tab hibernation, but that has led me to start closing unnecessary things and use bookmarks more lol.
there is now sessions features which auto saves all open tabs in vivaldi.
My two are these
1. Firefox with betterfox
2. Edge for chatgpt and it’s amazing chat feature and work stuff (share point,Azure, etc)
Microsoft edge on launch jumps your disk usage to 100% so if it isn't a "spyware" per say what's it doing cooking your SSD/HDD alive in the first place
@@dr.bendover3311 to be fair using windows is spyware at this point
@@dr.bendover3311 on mac, edge is super ok
@@dr.bendover3311he same telemetry Windows 10 is doing in the background. Pretty sure ChatGPT has its own Bing search away from the chatbot (which they made Edge a requirement for)
just as bad as google yeah@@whiskytangofoxtrot_
hey guys, is there any browser that let you download videos right in the website? (Video downloader extensions always messed up, a 60fps video went down to 30fps by using extensions)