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00:00 Intro
00:26 Sponsor - Linode
01:38 Why U No Love Firefox?
03:42 What I want in a web browser
05:03 Firefox Forks
06:35 Epiphany - GNOME Web
07:58 Google Chrome
08:47 Chromium
10:02 Brave
11:21 Vivaldi
12:46 Opera
13:26 Microsoft Edge
14:22 The FINAL CHOICE + full benchmarks
Let's start with why I want to switch from Firefox to something else.
First, Firefox is adding ads in the browser.
Firefox has telemetry enabled out of the box.
Firefox pushes other services I have no use for, like Pocket.
Firefox doesn't integrate all that well on Linux, and doesn't really look like a native app, unless you use custom userchrome.css, which might be disabled in the future. I like the Proton redesign, but it still doesn't really look like a native application.
Firefox's mobile app isn't great on Android. On iOS, it's just a Safari wrapper, but the interface isn't great either, IMO.
Now, what am I looking for in a browser, apart from a nice daily companion to share my adventures on the wonderful place that is the internet?
I want something that looks at home on my desktop as much as possible, something that looks like it's using GTK or Qt.
I don't need thousands of features and extensions: an ad block, syncing with an account to keep my passwords in sync between devices, or compatibility with a password manager, and that's it.
I need a mobile client that has reasonable performance and a usable interface.
I need decent performance so stuff loads relatively fast and doesn't stutter too much. Anything that performs in the same class as Firefox will work for me.
Ram usage is irrelevant, as I only use computers with 16Gb of RAM or more, so my browsing never really poses a threat to that.
I want a browser that's private out of the box, without opt-out telemetry, ads in the browser, or data collection.
I'd like to avoid chromium based browsers if possible, because Chromium is controlled by Google, however open source it is, and that monopoly kinda scares me. In the end, if it's not possible, I'll live with it. Grumpily, but I'll live with it.
That's about it! We might have to compromise on some of these points, so we'll be attributing a score to each browser. Let's look at what's available.
Firefox benchmarks:
Version 93
123 runs per minute - Speedometer
821.88 motionmark
894.37 basemark
WaterFox Benchmarks:
Version G4.0.1
109 runs / minute - Speedometer
757.65 motionmark
763.78 basemark
Epiphany Benchmarks:
Version 40.3
121 runs / minute - speedometer
324.60 motionmark
721.31 basemark
Google Chrome Benchmarks:
Version 95.0.4638
165 runs per minute - speedometer
Couldn't complete motionmark
1566.3 basemark
Chromium
Version 94.0.4606.81
142.9 runs per minute - Speedometer
Couldn't complete motionmark
1487.03 basemark
Brave Benchmarks
version 1.30.87
127 runs/min speedometer
718.51 motionmark
1168.89 basemark
Vivaldi Benchmarks
Version 4.3.2439.63
Speedometer: 124 runs per minute
Can't complete motionmark
1288.73 basemark
Opera Benchmarks
Version 80.0.4170.16
Speedometer 135.2 runs/minute
Motionmark couldn't complete
1240.1 basemark
Microsoft Edge
Version 95.0.1020.40
Speedometer 141 runs per minute
Motionmark can't complete
1354.3 basemark
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Don't understand why you'd choose a riskier option in terms of privacy just because it doesn't match the colors of your Linux desktop.
yeah....
There is no privacy the governments of the world can see everything about you. Why would you think you somehow have better security on your little home PC that entire NATIONS don't have? The Chinese, Russians and Americans can hack anyone anywhere anytime.
Firefox cares about privacy? That's news to me must be one of these duckduckgo things where people somehow led themselves into believing the company cares about privacy based on old propaganda that no longer rings true to their modern reality
I notice this guy seems so care about appearance a lot. Not really my thing but many people care more about how something looks than how functional it is.
@@odizzido Yes I am one that loves a good GUI if you're reading text all day and think that is great you may have a menta defect my friend just sayin lol
I am afraid that if Firefox disappears Google will be this much closer to owning the only web engine out there with Blink. There ought to be a HUGE debian-style community effort put into forking a web engine, preferably gecko, to produce a fast, safe, efficient, competitive, extensible web engine for developers to easily build new web browsers upon.
Please, if I knew anything about web development I would help
@Blue_Ducky probably blender level of organisation
Why Gecko? WebRender is superior. Actually, we’d be much better of working to improve Firefox rather than throwing the towel.
@@Al0011235813 Gecko is Firefox' s browser engine. I think webrender is a part of Gecko.
@@themroc8231 WebRender is a completely different codebase written in Rust. Check your facts.
I switched from Chrome to Firefox because I don't want Firefox to disappear into nothingness. Having only Chromium based browsers sounds like a bad idea, especially since no one will make any websites compatible with any other browser anymore. At least now developers will have to support Firefox still
Too late.
the hero we need
They don't "have" to support Firefox, they just choose to because it still has a couple of users.
@@godnyx117 No they don't.. The only reason Google does is to avoid Chromium ripped away from them. Which I really do want more than Firefox staying alive.
@@godnyx117 couple of users?
as a firefox user and as a student, i have to say, pocket really is helpful when you are scouring through a thousand different websites for your projects/essays. it has really helped me ever since i started using it.
Yeah, it's a really good complement to Firefox, I used to use it before it was added to Firefox by default
Its name was "read it later" before it became Pocket. I prefer readwise reader or instapaper.
@@only2sea Those can be combined 😉
am a uni student and can confirm, i did not expect pockets to be so good and helpful but i am glad it exists
Using pocket is basically handing your data out on a silver platter
2:40 EVERY browser on iOS is a Safari wrapper. Apple mandates that in their App Store policies.
Yeah, it’s Terrible
@The Linux Experiment yeah that’s why android is superior in terms of that regard! I don’t know how this isn’t apple abusing it’s monopoly
Your statement is a bit misleading. Apple enforces the use of WEBKIT. I think this is a good idea as iOS is an embedded system. Enforcing a single rendering engine means Apple is the sole company controlling its power consumption/performances/disk and cache usage. Which is a good thing when you're the company trying to sell an OS/user experience as a whole. And still it allows web browsers to exist on top of it precisely because web browsers are useful for their exclusive features. I personally use Opera on my iPhone because Opera's flow feature has been pure gold for me. So stating it as if it was a monopoly abuse is really unfair in my opinion.
@@DijTheWhiteEmperor It could still be called "hindering innovation", since you cannot have better performance than Safari because of being enforced to use that specific engine.
Example: I made a better engine than WebKit, but cannot use it on iOS because of that policy.
@@DijTheWhiteEmperor "company controlling its power consumption/performances/disk and cache usage." You forgot to mention to control also web applications. With chrome based browser user could run whatever webapp he wants. With safari Your're limited for apple app store apps only.
The issue is that if Firefox goes away we will have a big issue. No one except Firefox can cope with Google. If google is the only one we are in deep trouble.
FF sucks. And I was a big netscape user back in the day. Don't get me wrong I have librewolf, firedragon and firefox on my system but I only use libre wolf for a few things the rest of the time I use the faster google chrome or brave.
@@MichaelMantion I still niss Netscape.
@@MichaelMantion Google changing how adblockers are allowed to work in Chromium browsers means seeing ads again where they'd otherwise be blocked.
@@tukuiPat Agreed brave looks like the best choice going forward.
WebKit exists
the main reasons I'm sticking with firefox are because firefox sync makes reinstalls quite a bit easier since I use a password manager and it automatically gets added when I first sign in (and yes, my computers hate me, so I DO end up reinstalling a LOT) and also because firefox has an easy option to force all sites to use a local font, I have one that I prefer because my dyslexic ass sucks at reading and all the ridiculous fonts people use just give me a headache
The only thing I'd point out is that Vivaldi lets you choose what features you want when you first boot it up, and gives you three distinct selections ranging from "just give me a web browser" to "give me all the extra features like a mail client"
Imagine switching from windows to Linux and using edge as your browser.
Hey, that's me!
@@agnuswulf Lol why?
@@oldaccount7463 Because I like it! It has everything I want in a browser in the right proportion.
- The best reading mode out there
- Extensions
- The best integration with WebApps (even in Linux!)
- A very good interface
- Stable asf
- Lighter than Chrome
And the list goes on. It's simply perfect to me.
Edge is quite good. So not sure of the hate.
I get what y'all are saying in terms of performance. However, a big part of moving to Linux is to get away from proprietary spyware. Sure edge is fast, but there are many great open source alternatives.
In the end I thought you were saying "I am moving from Firefox to... Firefox". That was the conclusion from your video, Firefox would be its best replacement.
Never say "goodbye" to such a great browser like Firefox
I love pages not loading properly!!
Accept the truth Firefox sucks
@@randomguy15865 this is not always Firefox fault. Sometime it is just site scripts issue. Web developers tend to test their apps on Chromium based browsers only. This is not only Firefox problem, but Safari and any WebKit based browser so.
agree you will never get that level of privacy and customization again once you give up the only decent browser you have.
@@randomguy15865 Firefox blocks the evil scripts that Google wants on the Internet
as a developer, am sticking on firefox. It has an amazing dev tools ♥️
agree. The firefox developer edition is awesome. Especially when working with grid and flexbox.
as a developer i block ff's agent string.
Let the browser battles begin!
My choice is probably not one any sane human being would make 😅
@skYe_ waterfox has a s*itty privacy policy
@@yoman9446 we need earthfox and airfox
yes
@@goodsoul6675 I don't get that either. As long as those features can be switched off if not needed, I don't see the issue.
I'm sticking with Firefox for now. It runs equally well on all of my phones, Linux machines and Windows machines, and I truly love the "send tab to device" feature (look up something on my phone, then send it to my desktop where I can actually read it).
I find it funny how a lot of the comments here talk about "I'm use x because *insert odly specific feature*" and I realized it doesn't really matter how high performance and browser or how secure people just pick what they like the most so it's pointless to argue (unless of course they use chrome or edge)
The native screenshot feature is also pretty neat!
@@Polar_Onyx Browsers are literally all preference. There's no use fanboying over one or another, which is why i think these comments are so silly.
opera has that feature aswell, its called my flow
@@Polar_Onyx It’s almost like people pick software based on their use cases…
"Firefox diying is TERRIBLE for the web" posted 2 Weeks ago.
Well this aged badly
Notes about Pale Moon: You missed the entire point of the browser
1. It supports basically every device, even those that firefox doesn't currently support (XP).
2. It was originally made to allow NPAPI and PPAPI plugins to continue running (Stuff like Flash)
3. Customization is already available from the welcome screen, there is a tab on the website just for it
4. It is fast
The problems with it is
1. Some sites doesn't work
2. Many modern addons don't work
3. It is old
It remains as my secondary browser in case firefox stopped working
In other words, insecure as hell.
Just use Librewolf. Pale Moon sucks
@@alphaursaeminoris1 I still use it in case any other browser breaks, if you want to browse old internet, it is king
I want to see how this evolves. I have a feeling you'll go back eventually.
Might be!
Used Firefox since it was called firebird. Switched to brave 1 year ago on PC laptop phone and tablet. Didn't care about switching back. At all.
I'm looking at epiphany (or how GNOME calls it these days: "Web", as if application names is not a thing anymore) from time to time and unfortunately it is not in good place - the feature set is very bare (as expected for a GNOME app) and it's integration with my Plasma desktop is abysmal - just getting it to have the correct DPI is annoyingly difficult.
Chrome for work and Firefox for personal use!
What he said? Biffeni?
I don't know if you've considered this already but LibreWolf is kinda like Firefox without all the telemetry, kinda like how Ungoogled Chromium is from Chromium or Chrome.
I thought he was gonna just pick LibreWolf and end the video. Surprisingly, it didn't even make it to the video!
he said he wants to get the feeling of a new browser. Librewolf doesn't give that to him.
Librewolf is what I use for all my business related stuff. I love it.
Yep totally agree librewolf for the win, best browsing experience I've had
Never heard of it, now that you mention it, that sounds really great. FireFox is pretty fast too, I want it now.
manifest v3: im gonna make this man use firefox back again
A browser without DarkReader or something similar is a total no-go for me. I don't want any bright webpages anymore, even on the mobile browser.
same, best browser for this is Samsung browser (Android) you can force pages to go dark theme, or you can force even more by using the high contrast option.
Firefox still rocks, people will understand it's true value when it will disappear from market or get crushed by monopolistic companies, always with firefox 🥰
ever since switching to Linux full time, I have been using firefox and I don't have any major issues with it
I used Netscape Navigator the grand daddy of FF, then Mozilla Browser the father and then FF and they all were shitty that is why Microsoft crushed Netscape, and then Mozilla because Netscape/Mozilla were a bunch of coders who didn't understood the needs of users and Google did that is why crushed everyone, including Microsoft and is becoming the dominant by far engine for the web.
If it were for Microsoft and Mozilla we would've remained in the browsers of 2005 without any significant changes, the web would've been completely boring.
yeah i love slow browsing and webpages not loading properly!!!!
Are U chinese
@@ubahni lol true
It is sad to see Firefox dying like this. I'll hold onto it for a while as I have it configure how I like with an about:config but its getting worse to maintain. Also competition to google is good. I find myself jumping back and forth between firefox and brave and kinda using it as task separation between work/play or topics of research.
Also back when I was doing webdev, the debugger in chrome is simply better/easier to use imo
I see your point entirely, and while I agree with the good of having competition, I just never liked firefox. I ran opera (starting with version 5.0) for many years, before it started to suck. After a few years with Firefox, I now switched to Vivaldi, and am as happy with at as i used to be with opera in the beginning years.
Chrome will never take me alive. I wil continue using Firefox till the day I die or Firefox dies.
I just use different profiles in Brave to switch between work and play. They open up side by side in separate windows.
@@caraxes_noodleboi Agreed... and hopefully an alternative to firefox comes along at some point. But that may be daydreaming though... considering the immense complexity and cost of maintaining a full-featured browser.
i like brave bc of its tor feature
Hi Nick, here are the other options you could consider :
- Braver (a fork of Brave that took out the extra bloat if you can still find it)
- Librewolf (this one only lacks a Qt environement to pair with KDE)
- Konqueror & Falkon (the 2 that match KDE)
- GNU Icecat (it can only improves since it remain Freesoftware)
Librewolf is a must, but for some the hardening can be a problem, its block a lot of functions, but its nice for privacy, for Nick Waterfox sound a good option.
Looks like you have to build (compile) Braver, it is not hard to find.
I love librewolf, works great on openbox
Oooh def making a braver Brower
While Firefox is and will remain my preferred browser, I actually use 7 browsers altogether. Some have specific purposes, but others are simply options when Firefox doesn't behave or I'm just seeking a change. Opera and Vivaldi are tied for second, Brave is for those times when I need the utmost in Privacy (with Tor as a backup), and I still have but rarely use Chrome (mainly because it's a Google product/engine).
Librewolf is what I use, basically hardened firefox
I'm a bit surprised he didn't mention librewolf but I guess he would scored it similar to waterfox
@@chapogon Perhaps a bit less, as it doesn't support Firefox Sync.
@@neolight1010 that's true, I guess that also might be one reason he didn't showed it as well
I love librewolf. It's a great project. If you want something simple (you don't have to spend a half hour with about config) its a great choice.
@@johnmal5975 Hello! I am wondering about what to choose - Waterfox or LibreWolf. I am Windows 10 LTSC user (with cut out telemetry and other spy stuff. However, I used Manjaro Linux for a while, but it has unacceptable performance for me) and still idk what to choose.
the best part of this video is how you show up that browser usage depends on user usage, i can't move away from firefox because the containers are a nice feature which i can't see myself without using it, but that is my case, epiphany may be the right answer to your needs even with the compromises, and move people to use new stuff in a better way, with less fanboy-ism in between
What do containers do for you?
I use Firefox but only because Chromium forks hate old Nvidia GPUs.
The bookmarks, history, and other parts of the UI are so bad.
This is my exact situation. I use containers to isolate browser sessions by subjects (work, personal life, projects, shopping, etc) and it enables me to get back the generic ads online that are thailored by where my IP addresses is rather than what I'm doing recently (hard to believe, but that is the form of ads I prefer).
I did try a similar extension on Chromium, but it didn't work as well and it was paid. Even after unlocking the paid features, it still wasn't on par with Firefox's containers with assignations and stuff.
@Stewie Griffin this, i use it for both
Simple Tab Groups and containers. Can’t switch browser because of this.
Netscape for life.
I've been using Chromium for work because of the profiles. I need to have separated gmail accounts simultaneously.
And I use Firefox for the rest. I've read that I can launch Firefox with different profiles from the CL. Is there any other way to do it? One that's more integrated with the browser.
Thank you!
Is there any way to undo Firefoxes latest updates or reload the older version. I'm in the process of uninstalling firefox and they make it extremely difficult.
It would be useful to also include the security component in your list, i.e. how fast the vulnerabilities are patched etc.
@Ankit That's debatable. I'd say security and privacy go hand in hand! If someone wants privacy, they'll need a browser that is secure. Likewise, if someone wants a browser to stay secure, there needs to be a fair amount of privacy. I'd say both are crucial to one another. Security means more than just bug fixes and patches. It also means having your personal data protected.
@@vertihippo1274 I really would like to know which offers both impressive security and privacy. I really can't decide between Firefox or Brave and it's looking me..
@@HeWhoProclaims The answer lies in personal preference! Firefox has never failed me in terms of privacy, but this certainly gives me a bias. Brave is Chromium-based and open-source, and open-source is always good to hear. Firefox is also open-source. I have never much liked Chromium myself, but I must say I like what I've read about Brave. Articles comparing the two reach various conclusions. I would recommend you look into and use them both. Which one is faster? Which one seems more invasive? Does one seem more bloated? Which has more security features? Most importantly, which suits you?
*If you ask me,* Firefox with addons will always beat something Chromium-based for privacy. Again, this is biased and shouldn't be treated as solid advice. I've used both a bit, and both have their own pros. Brave and Firefox are both a tad bloated, although Firefox feels much less bloated to me while providing similar features. Brave comes with a Rewards feature which seems excessive. Firefox comes with less built-in, and I'd say that gives more privacy control. You can choose what you want more so, optimizing speed and security.
@@vertihippo1274 the person asked security not privacy, Chrome is a secure Browser either you like it or not the problem is the privacy and that's what kinda draw the line between privacy/security debate you trying to start, therefor security as in fast response to vulnerabilities should also be considered separately .
I missed librewolf, dot, wexond, decentr, unbranded firefox and firedragon, which is a fork of librewolf focused on KDE
dot browser is still in development!
Interesting a few of those I had not even heard of, will have to look them up. Also there is Basilisk and Naver Whale :)
@@awolsam Whale I ignored because it has too much clutter, the ones I mentioned are all within the parameters of Nick, Basilik is ok but I had issues updating if your language is not english, it literally break beyond repair, same with waterfox for some reason
@Lynn Geek I don't use thunderbird, I open my emails on the browser, so I don't know what to tell you
@@villenmillenion7986 librewolf is dead?
What is your Linux Distro and how do I make it look like yours (center taskbar kind of like MacOs)? It looks nice.
Fedora
it looks like he used KDE with theme installed. But be careful installing KDE theme, some themes has backdoor.
What I have noticed in this short comparison that these Chromium based browsers are kinda having slower performances the more bloat they have.
I used to love Opera long long time ago. But they have changed and especially what bugs me the ownership of that company. Right now I am using Vivaldi with medium setup - both at home and at work. I really like stack tabs feature and it helps me immensely (especially with Jira). Also quick translation pane is also needed as a software developer I often work with foreign languages which I don't know - so it comes handy. I also like the download management - it used to be like that in Opera as well and I like it that way. Mail client - no I am not using that. I got used to web based emails so having any form of a mail client is sort of wasting space and time on my PC (apart from work where we must use Outlook).
All in all, Browsers are VERY personal choice and performance is not always the key factor here.
The interface is a bit too unorthodox for my personal liking but definitely some great features!
"Its not censorship to let a big tech company determine what is and isnt true and then restricting visibility of things it decides are not true (ie, things it does not like)".
No one said a big tech company should decide. That’s the current situation of things. That’s not what Mozilla wants.
@@TheLinuxEXP "Turn on by default the tools to amplify factual voices over disinformation". It's right there, they hardly even applied much doublespeak.
@@TheLinuxEXP "Turn on by default the tools to amplify factual voices over disinformation."
By definition, censorship doesn't bother him since he doesn't think it's censorship to let others determine what is "true" and therefore "acceptable speech". But, I guess that just means he's not at risk of getting shut down by TH-cam.
@@DavidIstre hes a weak pseudo-intellectual that only repeats articles he finds online, and has jewish approved “lukewarm” takes on everything, and yes, it is censorship to censor speech you dont like in order to “decide what is true” is.
Ironically Im using Windows and watching your video with chrome but Im interested in linux to give it a try. If you are kind enough would you plz tell me which linux distro you are using?
In a different video he had high praise for Fedora.
@@KenJackson_US Thanks Bro
Currently use older 32 bit mint linux 18.3, but have second computer I've upgraded to 64 bit mint 20.1, but will probably continue with Firefox ESR and Chromium, at least for awhile longer. When I updated to Firefox ESR a couple years ago, (due to no new 32 bit standard firefox in repository) I suddenly started having firefox browser crash issue on the 32 bit OS computer. Not sure why that problem developed, but even though the 32 bit OS computer has a 64 bit processor, I've been wondering if the later ESR version of Firefox moved solely to a 64 bit only browser, which clashes with the 32 bit linux OS now. I will try Firefox ESR on the upgrade to newer linux 64 bit system and see if the same crash problems happen with it too. If so, I'll also have to switch to a different second browser. I've used firefox browsers since version 3 many years ago, after finally giving up on Netscape 7 way back then.
I'm sad that you're leaving firefox. I'm sticking with it as it's the most mainstream non chromium browser, also, I use it since 2009. It get's my theme's colors in KDE (there's default theme, that picks colors according to system theme), I have some extensions, I use the sync, etc... I'd love firefox to get better, not worse, so it would get more people using it, otherwise, chromium will be basically the only web engine out there (relevant). And monopoly is never good...
Firefox use lot of memory, I also stopped using firefox and moved to chromium for that.
I guess as google give money to firefox team (if I'm not wrong)they tell the firefox team to reduce or at least not improve the quality of firefox, By this way, lot of people will move to chrome, As users using chrome certainly bring more money to google than firefox, it's a good thing for google :)
@@nicobzz1 Can you not spread disinformation you pulled straight out of your arse?
You clearly don't know anything about the situation, why do you have to make stuff up? You obviously have internet access: use it to inform yourself about the situation instead of spreading lies. Thank you.
@@eyjzdrkxjqzfuhqyzybf what things I told do you critiquize?
If you criticize that I said that firefox used lot of memory, know that I started firefox, I watched the amount of memory used with about 20 tabs opened, the total system memory was about 3,5 GO, and in the same situation chrome used about 2GO, where as abuntu alone used about 1,3 GO. I do believe firefox use more memory.
About what I told about google, it's an hypothesis, only and hypothesis, it's why I used the word "I guess"
@@nicobzz1 Dude you are spreading misinformation about "Google is telling Firefox what to do" (Yes, you are wrong). That's nonsense, atleast until proven otherwise.
does that make you sad? why ?
Vivaldi has many features, but when you first launch it you get a popup where you can select the bare minimum with a single click for it to be "just a browser"
it is proprietary software, therefore it is instantly not a even an option for many, like myself
Yeah i don't think he was even giving it a serious look, seeing as how he ignored the first install page. I don't think he would have used it anyway but it's bit of a failed overview
And on top of that you could just choose Vivaldi Essentials
@craig Why have a over-bloated browser full of sh*t you'll never use? _Some_ extensions are junk but I haven't found too many in Firefox that had problems. The extensions not recommended are where you might find a dud but you make it sound like a hopeless endeavor which it's not. Many people want everything to operate the way they want straight out of the box with no set-up but that also normally leaves them with few settings, options & choice. You are an iPhone user, aren't you? 😁
@Ankit I just tried and it works
I've been using Vivaldi for the past 6 years (it was a buggy crashfest in 2016!), and it's great. Privacy, ad-blocking, tab-stacking, and runs great on Linux.
This week I switched from Chrome to FireFox, because it bothered me that Chrome made a very intrusive bar appear below indicating that one is downloading files. In FireFox it is more discreet and there is simply an icon above that indicates that a file is being downloaded, which does not bother visually in any way.
I'm still sticking with Firefox. I can configure it how I like. It's not another chromium wrapper and the syncing and integration across multiple machines and multiple platforms is very useful to me. Thank you, thank you Nick for pointing out the whole "censorship" thing is BS. That tired old complaint from people who can't read (like DistroTube) is so very annoying. Really enjoyed your evaluation process in this video. Looking forward to the follow-up!
@Linux Addict yeah! I’d rather have him not as one of the main TH-camrs representing the Linux community but unfortunately he is! And if people from the outside see some of the bs he said or done it might make the Linux community seem unfriendly
I agree. But, whats the BS Distrotube is peddling? I have watched a couple of his videos, I haven't found anything controversial. I just checked out the Firefox isn't supporting a free internet video, BS I agree, but that was it.
DDG: Mozilla censorship
Google will probably hide the post.
And TH-cam is removing my posts.
This test just proved to me that Firefox is the right choice (for me) as well. I don't see any dealbreaker yet, and more importantly I don't see a better choice.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 DT has a right to express his opinion, that's true. Other also have the right to not watch his videos AND openly disagree with his rhetoric. He has a right to say what he wants to say, but he has no right to not be openly criticized for it.
I will stick with Firefox. Seems like times suck for them right now, but so far i didn't notice any negative impact on my browsing experience yet.
I fear this is turning into a trend to switch to chrome reskins for no real reason. I hope it stops soon.
moi aussi
some of it is disagreeing with Moz' data collection. Some of it is disagreeing with Moz' politics, and a bunch of it comes down to newer websites not rendering right.
Agreed - I don’t personally understand much of the criticism of Firefox’s browsing experience. Whenever I’ve switched to Chromium-based browsers, I find them clunky/cumbersome over time and eventually return to Firefox.
@@tidalleaf Its so much cleaner than any Chromium browser when you set it up right.
Vivaldi is the only real Chromium-based contender to Firefox for me. I rely on customizability and features of Vivaldi which Firefox can't replicate (or can, with like 100 inefficient add-on workarounds), so to each their own. It's sad that it isn't open-source/Gecko-based because it appeals to "power users" which typically prefer FOSS. On another hand, Vivaldi fully open-sources its outdated versions; not the same thing, but you can look into that.
Problem with the Firefox is that sometimes it's not rendering in an intended way as developer of the site never tested it with the Firefox. It's rare, but it happens. This is the main reason I've switched to the Edge long ago (after it moved to Chromium).
Great video! I'm experimenting with Linux distros and finding a long-term browser to use is on the list so this information is very helpful.
Sad :( I have been using Firefox for more than 15 years now. Even though the browser is not at the same level as it used to be even half a decade ago, I really can't see myself jumping ship anytime soon.
The icon for Firefox is enough to make a grown man barf. Could they make a worse looking icon?
@@parkerbohnn personally i love those semi-minimalist, colorful, gradient-filled icons. Edge has another great one.
3:20 Seeing how the phrase "this is proven to be false" is being used today, having that as a reason to censor information will most certainly be abused.
Yeah, like how Republicans pretend like all the science is not always against their racism, transphobia, misogyny, Climate Change and homophobia.
What desktop are you using?
How to get your firefox title bar to look like that? (No title bar and buttons are on the left like the rest of your OS)
Yes vivaldi can feel overwhelming at first but its worth it. The best part is that it allows you to start from very simple mode disabling all the advanced stuff like web panels, tiling, stacking. With the simple mode, it will feel like any other decent web browser and then you can just make your way up to some of the advanced things little by little. Everything is configurable to your needs and once you get it right for you, it really does boost up your overall productivity.
Agreed. Vivaldi takes time to learn it but once you do it's a heaven for people who like to customize their experiences. I used it for a while loved it. Mobile app is also good. Now I switched to Edge because of his lightweight performance but the mobile app leaves much to be desired.
@@milosmisic89 hey . edge is will not be good at option . try opera it has good performance too
It's privacy policy and practices are a pile of shit though.
@craig Microsoft edge is essentially just a better chrome variant. Not great, but its simple, decently optimized, and it works if you don't care too much
@@freelookmode9837 fair, but tue only browsers that don't have that problem don't have the features I want
I want to see a resurgence in the development of Falkon. It has a lot of potential because the UI integrates well with KDE and has some features. Sadly, it looks like an abandoned project.
Yeah, that’s too bad!
The ironic thing is, chrome (webkit) and safari (webkit) all came from KHTML which was a KDE project, years ago. So we gave KDE to thank for browsers being how far they are today
Just had confirmation a few days ago via the Falkon mailing list that it is not a dead project. There is work being done on it, it just lacked a maintainer for some time, but it has now been integrated in KDE Gear and seems to be actively developed again. It will actually go from version 3.2.0 to version 22.08.something, because it switched to the "standard" KDE version format. And it's good news indeed because it is a great browser.
@@ericbrunel8933 Great. Now if we can get a dark mode for it like Dark Reader in Chrome and Firefox, that would be fantastic.
@@josephdegarmo I was precisely asking on the mailing list about the Readability extension, that I couldn't get to work. Turns out it's written in Python, and Python-based Falkon extensions don't seem to be widely supported to say the least (they aren't working in my distro's Falkon version, and neither do they in the flatpak version or the snap version 🙄). But one the guys I talked to said it could be easily rewritten in QML - which is built-in and therefore supported everywhere - and that he'll try to do that in the near future. Didn't see it working, but my guess would be that it has some kind of dark reader mode, or at least that it could be easily modified to get one.
What ia the distro you use?
which OS are you using?
5:13 I think it should be noted that Pale Moon resides in Windows XP territory because it aims to take over Windows XP era computers (that can't handle most of modern browsers)
@Unleavened Eagle even on 64?
Male poon is a joke
@Unleavened Eagle not anymore, though it supported it for a long time (mypal is based of it I believe)
@@bluebirdsigma how about Seamonkey?
Personally, I just can't use a browser if it doesn't have tab stacking. Vivaldi is the only browser that has it afaik (not counting the Tree Tab Style extension). And the extra features aren't deal breaking at all. Most of them are useful and don't feel like bloat. Except for the email client and calendar.
To me it seems like tab stacking but it's actualy bookmarks in the backend would be the way to go.
Anyway I just went looking and figured out how to turn the bookmarks toolbar on, I guess I'll see how that feels to use.
Yeah, I love Vivaldi. I've been supporting them for years now. Of course, it's not perfect, but personally I love exploring features in a browser. And as you said, all the extra stuff in Vivaldi doesn't seem like bloat. The performance is great and you can turn all the stuff you don't need off. I would call it more of a framework for the user to build the exact browser they need.
Tab stacking? Is that vertical tabs? I use some Firefox extension other than Tree Style Tabs for that, at the moment (it just looks nicer to me), but native support for vertical tabs is something I would look for in a new browser.
@@MCLooyverse Vivaldi has 3 tab stacking styles. Compact, Two-Level and Accordion.
In Vivaldi you can move the tab bar to all 4 sides of your screen, but that's unrelated to the tab stacking feature. As for the Tree Tab Style extension, I did mention it in my original comment. While it's convenient, I definitely prefer Vivaldi's native tab stacking.
Chrome got tab groups a bit ago but it's nowhere near as useful as Vivaldi's imo
"Firefox hides telemetry in the settings and doesn't inform users about it" - but can it still be disabled? (a genuine question, I'm new to... a lot of things)
What distribution are you running?
Had a few good laughs at this one, and was half expecting you would end up with the suckless browser or something similar 😁. I've been using Brave since the start of the year but not super happy with the experience. Browser is definitely a segment in need of "disruption".
Surf from suckless just.. sucks
if only surf actually did suck less lol
Definitely, I meant I thought he would say that as a joke at the end.
I was very impressed by brave. I wasn't by firefox except its ui
I don't mind brave but if it had less bloat, I'd like it more.
There's also "LibreWolf", which is Firefox, but with all Mozilla stuff disabled and some other neat tweaks as well. It is, unlike WaterFox, very close to upstream.
Although it is somewhat " aggressive" with it's changes, as things like DRM are also turned off by default.
Yeah I was surprised he didn't go for it.
I mean LibreWolf is basically just hardened Firefox out of the box
LibreWolf ftw
Goint to check that, thanks !
The main issue for me is the lack of mobile app and sync options
good video say what was the name of the song at the end?
Fascinating video: thanks! I'm also a very long time linux user, and for at least 3 years can simply hit the "print screen" button on my keyboard. Then i can choose to take a screenshot of the entire screen, the active window, or define an area to copy. (Linux mint 17.. 21). Keep the videos coming!
I'm sure he's referring to capturing a scrolling screenshot which I find really useful to capture a multi-page web page
I can't live without Firefox. So many super useful cool addons that I completely depend on.
You forgot Pale Moon, this browser now also runs on Linux. It's my default browser on Windows, and I'm really happy with it. I love this old user interface. For me a browser has to look like Pale Moon.
I think Firefox can also look like Pale Moon [ Aris-t2 /CustomCSSforFx ]
I see you are a man of culture as well
@@Mario583a I find this to be very time-consuming, secondly it is very difficult for people who have little idea what is under the hood of a browser. It's very technical for laypeople like me. It would be better for people to be able to make these changes via an EXE file. I don't see any reason to switch back to Firefox, even knowing I can do all the changes manually.
@@Mario583a didn't think I'd find you here
Yup, just brought back Waterfox. Going to run it in tandem with Firefox on my chip. I forgot about them for a while but it looks like they are doing very well in the space. Ad block is everything in my book and I'm surprised Google has not been able to sway Firefox at this juncture. Keep your fingers crossed..
That shell theme looks great, what is it called?
The days when Mozilla was a revolutionary „fighter for freedom“ are long gone.
Thank you for bringing up the issues with Firefox. It used to be a much easier on system resources but now, under certain loads, it uses more resources than Chrome. I have been in the same boat as you Nick. Glad you made this video!
This is why I left Firefox, not really faster than Chrome but somehow eating RAM like no tomorrow
Nice video, but I always see myself switching back to Firefox. If I can disable the telemetry and all the tracking (of which I've already done across all of my laptops,) then maybe the experience doesn't have to be so bad.
So you don't use gmail either I suppose? If not, which alternative do you use??
Extension availability and support is a major need in my opinion. I would have included it in the rating system. I am keeping my eye on Librewolf as it could end up as the top fork of Firefox one day.
what about waterfox?
@@slicedcube Waterfox's issues are covered in the video. Personally I just can't stick with it, especially having been sold off to another company I don't trust.
Chrome is planning to remove browser extension support, so i guess that will make people migrate to Firefox, hopefully. but I don't have my hopes up, normies after all.
Frankly it makes me sad to see what Firefox becomes...
For me, Mozilla is focusing too much on politics instead of a powerful browser.
I still use Firefox (and thinderbird), but I try to use more and more Epiphany
@Delsur27 Everything is politics if you want it to be. Many of us don't.
Firefart and thunderturd?
Mozilla doesn't even support thunderbird anymore, haven't for years now.
@Delsur27 I don't agree! Websites can be political but not tools.
When I buy a screwdriver, I don't necessarily need them to give me a lecture. I want to know how it's produced, but that's it.
@@MadsterV No. Everything is politics from the start. The only thing you can do is bury your head in the sand and choose ignorance. But if you do that you shouldn't be angry at people who don't.
I used Firefox for so very long. But after Google took it over it started to suck.
Been jumping between browsers for almost a year and I settled with brave finally
I hate the logo but hey its the most secure and private one of all the browsers, it's been great experience for me so far
Librewolf and ungoogled chromium also good options.
I'm using libre wolf now. So far, so good. I want to use it for a full month before I make a decision. I'm coming from brave.
What’s the difference between Ungoogled Chromium and SRWare Iron
ungoogled chromium has more vulnerabilities than regular chromium
@@yoman9446 How's that?
@@valentinidk6101 updates are pushed later in the ungoogled version
This is like: I want to pick a wife,
but I want her dress and makeup to match the color scheme of my house,
I don't want her to know how to do too many things, and
I'm concerned about how much will she gossip about me to her family
😂.
BTW I stick with brave for now...
So basically the perfect solution is someone pretty, very good at housework but nothing else and always keep her mouth shut
Sooo, she's a conservative? Those exist.
@@Mikesco3 Good choice but without universal bypass i cant use it.
If you think a browser is like a wife, you have issues way beyond this video. ;-)
1:24 - NextCloud? What's that? OnlyOffice? I can't hear the words well, and closed captions are disabled for the video for some reason.
Just about every adblock app I have used leads to annoying popups on some websites, but with Brave, I have never seen a single pop up asking me to turn off the adblock app.
Well I mean it also demonstrates why Chrome is winning. It has the best performance over all and for most users, the native Google integration is actually a feature. Nobody can claim that just because they are far ahead in market share Google is cheaping out on the development of the engine.
Until they get full control
it's fast if you have the Ram and resources to power it. Those of us with older computers find chrome crashy and buggy.
@@gabriel38g
How old? I have hardware from 2013 with 8GB DDR3 and it runs fast and stable.
@@AcidiFy574 I mean they completely dominate the mobile market, and that doesn't seem to have stopped them from trying to innovate in that space.
@@Alias_Anybody My Hardware is a year older, with 4GB but I haven't used chrome browser in six months because it was crashing every day.
Interesting choice 🤔 I’ll stick with Firefox for as long as possible, been using it since back when it was still called Phoenix/Firebird. But some recent developments at Mozilla are indeed concerning, still we need diversity on the Browser market and unfortunately it’s looking more and more like either Chrome or bust…Microsoft’s decision to also throw in with Chromium was probably the nail in the coffin since suddenly the default browser of Windows no longer sucks donkey balls 🤩
I loved the first iteration of Edge which was supposedly using an "all new microsoft rendering engine" but mysteriously had all the same bugs and problems that the ancient IE had. And then with little fanfare it was suddenly chromium based
Funny, we need diversity in the browser market but Mozilla is opposed to diversity of thought.
Wait ... Wasn't it its previous name Netscape Navigator?
@@bizarrrre Yes, and that ended at version 9. It also had the Messenger email program which was one of the best till Thunderbird came along, but Messenger had one fatal flaw, in that it would ONLY open links in email msgs into the Netscape browser. To open a link in an email msg into another browser, required to copy the link and then paste into the second browser. That's why I finally quit Netscape during version 7.
You dont have Subtitles/Closed Captions enabled for this video?
Honestly for me Firefox is the perfect web browser. It just needs Chrome-style tab groups
Anyways, I am a big fan of Brave and I like its functionality (add and tracker blocking especially), integration of TOR so that I don't need to switch my browser for small tasks and UI which I feel completely matches my Debian environment. Also, I feel that the community support and variety of extensions that we can get in chromium are somewhat better.
I like Brave too. I love all that blocking without having to add extensions to do it. It's pretty easy to make sites like TH-cam non-functional though. So I find I always have to compromise its features just to use certain sites. That isn't a Brave problem.
I was loving brave before It started pushing crypto nonsense
@@sefflikejeff1917 so what u use now?
@@hahachannel7726 I've been using opera GX, it's not as secure as something like brave (I think?)
But it's much quicker and doesn't have a "crypto wallet" tab lol
I use Brave as my main browser but it always seems "bloated" and use a lot of memory.
LibreWolf is my absolute favourite Firefox-based Non-Chrome browser. It's just perfect.
I don't think it's a long-term solution though. As mainline Firefox development dries up, so will its derivatives.
@@RalphInRalphWorld Isn't that the point of FOSS? That anybody can contribute good, clean code for the benefit of everyone using the software, so that it never truly "dies"?
I find the idea of relying purely/solely on an upstream corporation with a profit incentive to maintain free software to be utterly horrifying
@@clocked0 I agree in theory. The issue is that web standards are a moving target, and maintaining browsers requires a lot of dedicated engineers.
I am not convinced that a rag-tag team of skilled volunteers can substitute Firefox's resources and keep such a large project up to date.
I'd love to be proven wrong. I really do, but I don't think it will happen.
I like how bing isn't even considered a browser anymore
I used Gnome Web for a short time, but it was always crashing and getting ads blocked is also not as seamless as in other browsers
I quit Firefox early this year for multiple reasons. Using Brave now.
every month you should just switch to another browser
giving us your thoughts after daily driving it
and maybe at the end compile a list of things that you really liked and things that you didn't, kinda like what you did with kde and elementary
I’m suprised to not see any of the following browsers included in this video: Konqueror, K-meleon, Midori, Falkon (formerly QupZilla)
Are there specific reasons for why you skipped those?
Not sure why you need a screenshot capability in the browser - I can use Prt Scn in Mint with Xfce to take a screen shot of anything. Out of the box I get the option of whole screen, just the active window or selecting an area. It give me the option of saving the screenshot, copying it to the clipboard or opening it with my default image viewer (in my case Gthumb) It also has an option to upload to imgur but I have never used that.
sounds like you haven't had a need to take a screenshot of a page bigger than the browser's viewing area
@@udance4ever Good point !
You forgot Falkon. Webkit based, QT based, fits nicely into your KDE desktop.
I think it’s not maintained anymore
Yup, Falkon hasn't had a new release since March 2019. It's not a viable choice.
@@Wazhai Update (from later than that comment): Falkon 3.2.0 was released on January 31, 2022.
Mozilla Foundation should focus on making browser rather than proposing bogus "solutions" for non-existent "issues".
But how are they supposed to fund that browser? As an aside, mozilla's complementary services do solve a lot of real problems for me.
@@imonabudget4427 Funding a company is not your problem, it is theirs. Complementary services and acting as wannabe think-tank are not same things.
@@fikretdemir4818 you don't need to use their extra services, if you don't want to. There are people who may use it.
@@fikretdemir4818 it is definitely your problem if you expect to get a cutting edge, performant and compatible browser. Mozilla is an NGO, but it's extremely costly to maintain a competitive browser especially with the fast pace of web standards.
@@superagucova Of course I will expect a good browser from the company that mainly focused on browser, just like you expect good meal from a restaurant. Funding is not my problem.
For PC I use Lightshot as a screenshot app. Not sure if there's something similar for Linux, but it is the best model for efficient screenshot taking and editing I've found.
Another problem with Brave is that in order to use it on Linux Mint you have to type commands into the terminal. This used to work but now you have to use the nightly version to get it to install. Brave needs to fix this.
Even if it's slower on Linux, I keep using Firefox because none of the Chromium based browser manages to satisfy me (despite being faster)
Demat Nick 😊,
I am a loooooong (since Netscape -> Firefox transition) time Firefox user so I maybe be biased but notwithstanding your critics on the graphical integration I have done a clean install of FF 94.0 and the telemetry was off by default as well as no Pocket extension was installed.
Which version did you use for the test ?
Thanks
How did your switch go? Are you still using Gnome web? The best option based on your criteria seems to be Librewolf... why didn't you try that?
I didn’t hear a word about adherence to legitimate standards. Firefox seems to do this. Google and Microsoft like to write their own standards first then adhere to them.
Vivaldi is great actually. It's a browser for powerusers. But everything can be disabled, you even get an option for that during the first launch. The minimal option looks just like any other browser. I understand your point though. Myself I'm a fan of browsers with multiple built in features, but it might be overwhelming if you love simplicity.
Because of different functionalities and the way particular web pages behave, I advise to use more than one web browser simultaneously, as long as your ram memory allows it. Personally I use Firefox, Chromium, Vivaldi, Tor browser and Waterfox, being Firefox the browser I use more often.
my bro is using Tor, nice :-P me too xP
I personally like Firefox, it is especially a good browser for running older Linux operating systems. Instead of using the one out of date through the repositories should you personally choose to keep an older no longer supported version of a Linux distro you have the alternative of the latest version with security updates that runs as a stand alone. I'm not quite sure about every flavor of Linux yet I have personally used the stand alone versions on Debian, Fedora, AV Linux and Mint. I have also used stand alone versions of Firefox, Windows version, through the Linux Wine application.