There is no privacy the governments of the world can see everything about you. Why would you think you somehow have better security on your little home PC that entire NATIONS don't have? The Chinese, Russians and Americans can hack anyone anywhere anytime.
Firefox cares about privacy? That's news to me must be one of these duckduckgo things where people somehow led themselves into believing the company cares about privacy based on old propaganda that no longer rings true to their modern reality
I notice this guy seems so care about appearance a lot. Not really my thing but many people care more about how something looks than how functional it is.
@@odizzido Yes I am one that loves a good GUI if you're reading text all day and think that is great you may have a menta defect my friend just sayin lol
I am afraid that if Firefox disappears Google will be this much closer to owning the only web engine out there with Blink. There ought to be a HUGE debian-style community effort put into forking a web engine, preferably gecko, to produce a fast, safe, efficient, competitive, extensible web engine for developers to easily build new web browsers upon.
I switched from Chrome to Firefox because I don't want Firefox to disappear into nothingness. Having only Chromium based browsers sounds like a bad idea, especially since no one will make any websites compatible with any other browser anymore. At least now developers will have to support Firefox still
@@godnyx117 No they don't.. The only reason Google does is to avoid Chromium ripped away from them. Which I really do want more than Firefox staying alive.
Your statement is a bit misleading. Apple enforces the use of WEBKIT. I think this is a good idea as iOS is an embedded system. Enforcing a single rendering engine means Apple is the sole company controlling its power consumption/performances/disk and cache usage. Which is a good thing when you're the company trying to sell an OS/user experience as a whole. And still it allows web browsers to exist on top of it precisely because web browsers are useful for their exclusive features. I personally use Opera on my iPhone because Opera's flow feature has been pure gold for me. So stating it as if it was a monopoly abuse is really unfair in my opinion.
@@DijTheWhiteEmperor It could still be called "hindering innovation", since you cannot have better performance than Safari because of being enforced to use that specific engine. Example: I made a better engine than WebKit, but cannot use it on iOS because of that policy.
@@DijTheWhiteEmperor "company controlling its power consumption/performances/disk and cache usage." You forgot to mention to control also web applications. With chrome based browser user could run whatever webapp he wants. With safari Your're limited for apple app store apps only.
The issue is that if Firefox goes away we will have a big issue. No one except Firefox can cope with Google. If google is the only one we are in deep trouble.
FF sucks. And I was a big netscape user back in the day. Don't get me wrong I have librewolf, firedragon and firefox on my system but I only use libre wolf for a few things the rest of the time I use the faster google chrome or brave.
the main reasons I'm sticking with firefox are because firefox sync makes reinstalls quite a bit easier since I use a password manager and it automatically gets added when I first sign in (and yes, my computers hate me, so I DO end up reinstalling a LOT) and also because firefox has an easy option to force all sites to use a local font, I have one that I prefer because my dyslexic ass sucks at reading and all the ridiculous fonts people use just give me a headache
I never use a browser PW manager I have my own because I can add notes to it... its a huge note under Gnote that gets backed whenever I do a backup as well. its in your /.local/share/ directory
In the end I thought you were saying "I am moving from Firefox to... Firefox". That was the conclusion from your video, Firefox would be its best replacement.
@@oldaccount7463 Because I like it! It has everything I want in a browser in the right proportion. - The best reading mode out there - Extensions - The best integration with WebApps (even in Linux!) - A very good interface - Stable asf - Lighter than Chrome And the list goes on. It's simply perfect to me.
I get what y'all are saying in terms of performance. However, a big part of moving to Linux is to get away from proprietary spyware. Sure edge is fast, but there are many great open source alternatives.
The only thing I'd point out is that Vivaldi lets you choose what features you want when you first boot it up, and gives you three distinct selections ranging from "just give me a web browser" to "give me all the extra features like a mail client"
I moved from Firefox to Vivaldi just because FF made it harder to close tabs to the right. Vivlaldi makes it easy and also offers close tabs to the left and close other tabs
I'm sticking with Firefox for now. It runs equally well on all of my phones, Linux machines and Windows machines, and I truly love the "send tab to device" feature (look up something on my phone, then send it to my desktop where I can actually read it).
I find it funny how a lot of the comments here talk about "I'm use x because *insert odly specific feature*" and I realized it doesn't really matter how high performance and browser or how secure people just pick what they like the most so it's pointless to argue (unless of course they use chrome or edge)
seriously its going to be bad. they will rule the internet if all gecko based browsers disappeer, and idk where you guys get the concept they have respect for privacy, its 99% of their freaking job to collect your data and remove features that everyone likes such as the removal of Manifest V2.
as a firefox user and as a student, i have to say, pocket really is helpful when you are scouring through a thousand different websites for your projects/essays. it has really helped me ever since i started using it.
I'm looking at epiphany (or how GNOME calls it these days: "Web", as if application names is not a thing anymore) from time to time and unfortunately it is not in good place - the feature set is very bare (as expected for a GNOME app) and it's integration with my Plasma desktop is abysmal - just getting it to have the correct DPI is annoyingly difficult.
@@randomguy15865 this is not always Firefox fault. Sometime it is just site scripts issue. Web developers tend to test their apps on Chromium based browsers only. This is not only Firefox problem, but Safari and any WebKit based browser so.
I don't know if you've considered this already but LibreWolf is kinda like Firefox without all the telemetry, kinda like how Ungoogled Chromium is from Chromium or Chrome.
It is sad to see Firefox dying like this. I'll hold onto it for a while as I have it configure how I like with an about:config but its getting worse to maintain. Also competition to google is good. I find myself jumping back and forth between firefox and brave and kinda using it as task separation between work/play or topics of research. Also back when I was doing webdev, the debugger in chrome is simply better/easier to use imo
I see your point entirely, and while I agree with the good of having competition, I just never liked firefox. I ran opera (starting with version 5.0) for many years, before it started to suck. After a few years with Firefox, I now switched to Vivaldi, and am as happy with at as i used to be with opera in the beginning years.
@@caraxes_noodleboi Agreed... and hopefully an alternative to firefox comes along at some point. But that may be daydreaming though... considering the immense complexity and cost of maintaining a full-featured browser.
Notes about Pale Moon: You missed the entire point of the browser 1. It supports basically every device, even those that firefox doesn't currently support (XP). 2. It was originally made to allow NPAPI and PPAPI plugins to continue running (Stuff like Flash) 3. Customization is already available from the welcome screen, there is a tab on the website just for it 4. It is fast The problems with it is 1. Some sites doesn't work 2. Many modern addons don't work 3. It is old It remains as my secondary browser in case firefox stopped working
Firefox still rocks, people will understand it's true value when it will disappear from market or get crushed by monopolistic companies, always with firefox 🥰
I used Netscape Navigator the grand daddy of FF, then Mozilla Browser the father and then FF and they all were shitty that is why Microsoft crushed Netscape, and then Mozilla because Netscape/Mozilla were a bunch of coders who didn't understood the needs of users and Google did that is why crushed everyone, including Microsoft and is becoming the dominant by far engine for the web. If it were for Microsoft and Mozilla we would've remained in the browsers of 2005 without any significant changes, the web would've been completely boring.
the best part of this video is how you show up that browser usage depends on user usage, i can't move away from firefox because the containers are a nice feature which i can't see myself without using it, but that is my case, epiphany may be the right answer to your needs even with the compromises, and move people to use new stuff in a better way, with less fanboy-ism in between
What do containers do for you? I use Firefox but only because Chromium forks hate old Nvidia GPUs. The bookmarks, history, and other parts of the UI are so bad.
This is my exact situation. I use containers to isolate browser sessions by subjects (work, personal life, projects, shopping, etc) and it enables me to get back the generic ads online that are thailored by where my IP addresses is rather than what I'm doing recently (hard to believe, but that is the form of ads I prefer). I did try a similar extension on Chromium, but it didn't work as well and it was paid. Even after unlocking the paid features, it still wasn't on par with Firefox's containers with assignations and stuff.
While Firefox is and will remain my preferred browser, I actually use 7 browsers altogether. Some have specific purposes, but others are simply options when Firefox doesn't behave or I'm just seeking a change. Opera and Vivaldi are tied for second, Brave is for those times when I need the utmost in Privacy (with Tor as a backup), and I still have but rarely use Chrome (mainly because it's a Google product/engine).
@@awolsam Whale I ignored because it has too much clutter, the ones I mentioned are all within the parameters of Nick, Basilik is ok but I had issues updating if your language is not english, it literally break beyond repair, same with waterfox for some reason
I'm still sticking with Firefox. I can configure it how I like. It's not another chromium wrapper and the syncing and integration across multiple machines and multiple platforms is very useful to me. Thank you, thank you Nick for pointing out the whole "censorship" thing is BS. That tired old complaint from people who can't read (like DistroTube) is so very annoying. Really enjoyed your evaluation process in this video. Looking forward to the follow-up!
@Linux Addict yeah! I’d rather have him not as one of the main TH-camrs representing the Linux community but unfortunately he is! And if people from the outside see some of the bs he said or done it might make the Linux community seem unfriendly
I agree. But, whats the BS Distrotube is peddling? I have watched a couple of his videos, I haven't found anything controversial. I just checked out the Firefox isn't supporting a free internet video, BS I agree, but that was it.
This test just proved to me that Firefox is the right choice (for me) as well. I don't see any dealbreaker yet, and more importantly I don't see a better choice.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 DT has a right to express his opinion, that's true. Other also have the right to not watch his videos AND openly disagree with his rhetoric. He has a right to say what he wants to say, but he has no right to not be openly criticized for it.
3:20 Seeing how the phrase "this is proven to be false" is being used today, having that as a reason to censor information will most certainly be abused.
@@johnmal5975 Hello! I am wondering about what to choose - Waterfox or LibreWolf. I am Windows 10 LTSC user (with cut out telemetry and other spy stuff. However, I used Manjaro Linux for a while, but it has unacceptable performance for me) and still idk what to choose.
@2:42: You couldn't be more wrong about Mitchell Baker's blog post. Not only did it speak positively of the deplatforming that occurred, it asked for MORE things to be done, such as "amplify factual voices" by default. Just because it also asked for transparency doesn't change that it condoned censorship and asked for the scales to be tipped to "authoritative sources" (which are just establishment sources with their own bias).
I'm sad that you're leaving firefox. I'm sticking with it as it's the most mainstream non chromium browser, also, I use it since 2009. It get's my theme's colors in KDE (there's default theme, that picks colors according to system theme), I have some extensions, I use the sync, etc... I'd love firefox to get better, not worse, so it would get more people using it, otherwise, chromium will be basically the only web engine out there (relevant). And monopoly is never good...
Firefox use lot of memory, I also stopped using firefox and moved to chromium for that. I guess as google give money to firefox team (if I'm not wrong)they tell the firefox team to reduce or at least not improve the quality of firefox, By this way, lot of people will move to chrome, As users using chrome certainly bring more money to google than firefox, it's a good thing for google :)
@@nicobzz1 Can you not spread disinformation you pulled straight out of your arse? You clearly don't know anything about the situation, why do you have to make stuff up? You obviously have internet access: use it to inform yourself about the situation instead of spreading lies. Thank you.
@@eyjzdrkxjqzfuhqyzybf what things I told do you critiquize? If you criticize that I said that firefox used lot of memory, know that I started firefox, I watched the amount of memory used with about 20 tabs opened, the total system memory was about 3,5 GO, and in the same situation chrome used about 2GO, where as abuntu alone used about 1,3 GO. I do believe firefox use more memory. About what I told about google, it's an hypothesis, only and hypothesis, it's why I used the word "I guess"
@@nicobzz1 Dude you are spreading misinformation about "Google is telling Firefox what to do" (Yes, you are wrong). That's nonsense, atleast until proven otherwise.
I will stick with Firefox. Seems like times suck for them right now, but so far i didn't notice any negative impact on my browsing experience yet. I fear this is turning into a trend to switch to chrome reskins for no real reason. I hope it stops soon.
some of it is disagreeing with Moz' data collection. Some of it is disagreeing with Moz' politics, and a bunch of it comes down to newer websites not rendering right.
Vivaldi is the only real Chromium-based contender to Firefox for me. I rely on customizability and features of Vivaldi which Firefox can't replicate (or can, with like 100 inefficient add-on workarounds), so to each their own. It's sad that it isn't open-source/Gecko-based because it appeals to "power users" which typically prefer FOSS. On another hand, Vivaldi fully open-sources its outdated versions; not the same thing, but you can look into that.
They blatantly said they support Deplatforming in the title so that should give you enough information about what their end goal is. You said they don't support that but then go on to show the exact part that does basically say that: "Turn on by default to amplify factaul voices over disinformation". Let me make myself clear here, I do not want any information being decided what's right for me to see and also more or less censored by being pushed down the search resaults so i have to go to page number 341 to find a different take that the mainstream media and politicians don't approve of. Another part you just missed out on is "Changine this dangerous dynamics requires more than just temporary silencing or permanent removal of bad actors on soical media platforms". That short sentence should honestly tell you enough about the direction firefox is taking...it's just going to become another Google Clone. There is no point using FireFox to promote competion when the end goal is to be just a slightly less bad version of Google. FireFox has been dying for awhile now and this does not help its cause at all, it just drives the old users off to use the Forked versions of it. They need to cut everything back (Pocket, stupid poltical blog posts etc.) and go back to what made FireFox good by focusing purely on privacy,security and performance as those are the only three things that truly matter, everything else is just bloat similair to Windows 10 and its preinstalled apps/features... which no one really wants.
"Its not censorship to let a big tech company determine what is and isnt true and then restricting visibility of things it decides are not true (ie, things it does not like)".
@@TheLinuxEXP "Turn on by default the tools to amplify factual voices over disinformation". It's right there, they hardly even applied much doublespeak.
By definition, censorship doesn't bother him since he doesn't think it's censorship to let others determine what is "true" and therefore "acceptable speech". But, I guess that just means he's not at risk of getting shut down by TH-cam.
@@DavidIstre hes a weak pseudo-intellectual that only repeats articles he finds online, and has jewish approved “lukewarm” takes on everything, and yes, it is censorship to censor speech you dont like in order to “decide what is true” is.
Sad :( I have been using Firefox for more than 15 years now. Even though the browser is not at the same level as it used to be even half a decade ago, I really can't see myself jumping ship anytime soon.
I honestly think some Linux users go to far with their obsession about customization, tweaking and making things EXACTLY how you want them to be. I have used firefox for 20 years (almost since release) and I never really felt it doesnt serve me will. It has added lots of features over time and I never felt as if it would slow down me in any way. But like the saying goes: "It always looks greener on the other side of the fence." Some people are never satisfied.
@@Widur42 You got it; Chromium-based browser companies are investing in their browser's development, while Mozilla seems to focus on other services (not FF),, this is why the Linux community are upset with it (They have all right to be) Also, Mozilla get money from Google (500M each year) at the same time laying off 250 FF employees,, and keeps ignoring the community feedback, giving on the Progressive Web App development, and other privacy issues (from a company that promotes itself for community and privacy)
@Ankit That's debatable. I'd say security and privacy go hand in hand! If someone wants privacy, they'll need a browser that is secure. Likewise, if someone wants a browser to stay secure, there needs to be a fair amount of privacy. I'd say both are crucial to one another. Security means more than just bug fixes and patches. It also means having your personal data protected.
@@vertihippo1274 I really would like to know which offers both impressive security and privacy. I really can't decide between Firefox or Brave and it's looking me..
@@HeWhoProclaims The answer lies in personal preference! Firefox has never failed me in terms of privacy, but this certainly gives me a bias. Brave is Chromium-based and open-source, and open-source is always good to hear. Firefox is also open-source. I have never much liked Chromium myself, but I must say I like what I've read about Brave. Articles comparing the two reach various conclusions. I would recommend you look into and use them both. Which one is faster? Which one seems more invasive? Does one seem more bloated? Which has more security features? Most importantly, which suits you? *If you ask me,* Firefox with addons will always beat something Chromium-based for privacy. Again, this is biased and shouldn't be treated as solid advice. I've used both a bit, and both have their own pros. Brave and Firefox are both a tad bloated, although Firefox feels much less bloated to me while providing similar features. Brave comes with a Rewards feature which seems excessive. Firefox comes with less built-in, and I'd say that gives more privacy control. You can choose what you want more so, optimizing speed and security.
@@vertihippo1274 the person asked security not privacy, Chrome is a secure Browser either you like it or not the problem is the privacy and that's what kinda draw the line between privacy/security debate you trying to start, therefor security as in fast response to vulnerabilities should also be considered separately .
Vivaldi has many features, but when you first launch it you get a popup where you can select the bare minimum with a single click for it to be "just a browser"
Yeah i don't think he was even giving it a serious look, seeing as how he ignored the first install page. I don't think he would have used it anyway but it's bit of a failed overview
@craig Why have a over-bloated browser full of sh*t you'll never use? _Some_ extensions are junk but I haven't found too many in Firefox that had problems. The extensions not recommended are where you might find a dud but you make it sound like a hopeless endeavor which it's not. Many people want everything to operate the way they want straight out of the box with no set-up but that also normally leaves them with few settings, options & choice. You are an iPhone user, aren't you? 😁
I don't understand why aesthetics would be a serious consideration. Maybe I wasn't paying close attention but these browsers all seemed to have similar designs where the aesthetics, or the app surrounding the web content, were minimal. If you were shopping for a decent car to get you from point A to B without a hassle, were looking for a low price, reliability, fuel efficiency, and convenience, would you turn down a well-maintained Honda Civic because the colour was wrong or it didn't go with your wardrobe? Linux on the desktop can still be considered non-standard compared to Windows and macOS (or ChromeOS). It has varying and customizable UIs that browsers probably should not be customized for unless it's by the desktop environments themselves. I generally assume that people with the initiative to run desktop Linux are more focused on technical, practical, and functional aspects of their computing experience and only secondarily care about aesthetics. I'm typing this on a Chromebook. I'm thinking about getting a different computer one day, perhaps a Slimbook. I don't think I can get exactly what I want in a computer, especially from anything running macOS or Windows, even if I run Linux on it. But maybe KDE has done their very best, and that means a lot to me. They didn't create AirTags as a way of ripping off Tile's IP or put the faulty butterfly keyboard on their laptops worth thousands of dollars. They also presumably won't try to force a particular web browser on me, like Microsoft Edge. And while desktop Linux might not be absolutely perfect, it's about as close as it gets today, far removed from the annoying politics that go with more mainstream OSes, including ChromeOS and Google forcing its buggy features on users. In a recent update to ChromeOS, Google forced an upgrade to Android which slowed Android apps down on low-end Chromebooks (as the vast majority of Chromebooks tend to be). They also added an unremovable app icon for the Linux cli and another for something called Screencast that I think allows communication via webcams. There's also an Explore icon which gives inaccurate and out of date information on the latest features on ChromeOS. It's also unremovable. None of these operating systems or devices are going to be exactly to my preferences. I have to be careful to pick the best ones possible. And you know what? I think Firefox is likely the best one. If you can turn the telemetry off and stop the built-in ads (I might consider donating a small dollar amount to Mozilla to show my gratitude), also adding uBlock Origin to stop ads online, you might have a browser that isn't based on Chrome/Chromium, has an engine of its own, is mainstream enough to run the entire internet, and has been around longer than Chrome/Chromium. I'll look for the follow-up to this video to see how things turned out. While any browser made by the open source community is admirable for that very quality, I assume that Mozilla's sins are all about trying to keep themselves afloat since their main competition is from one of the largest tech companies in the world with a market capitalization of $1.7 trillion.
5:13 I think it should be noted that Pale Moon resides in Windows XP territory because it aims to take over Windows XP era computers (that can't handle most of modern browsers)
Yes vivaldi can feel overwhelming at first but its worth it. The best part is that it allows you to start from very simple mode disabling all the advanced stuff like web panels, tiling, stacking. With the simple mode, it will feel like any other decent web browser and then you can just make your way up to some of the advanced things little by little. Everything is configurable to your needs and once you get it right for you, it really does boost up your overall productivity.
Agreed. Vivaldi takes time to learn it but once you do it's a heaven for people who like to customize their experiences. I used it for a while loved it. Mobile app is also good. Now I switched to Edge because of his lightweight performance but the mobile app leaves much to be desired.
@craig Microsoft edge is essentially just a better chrome variant. Not great, but its simple, decently optimized, and it works if you don't care too much
There's also "LibreWolf", which is Firefox, but with all Mozilla stuff disabled and some other neat tweaks as well. It is, unlike WaterFox, very close to upstream. Although it is somewhat " aggressive" with it's changes, as things like DRM are also turned off by default.
Personally, I just can't use a browser if it doesn't have tab stacking. Vivaldi is the only browser that has it afaik (not counting the Tree Tab Style extension). And the extra features aren't deal breaking at all. Most of them are useful and don't feel like bloat. Except for the email client and calendar.
To me it seems like tab stacking but it's actualy bookmarks in the backend would be the way to go. Anyway I just went looking and figured out how to turn the bookmarks toolbar on, I guess I'll see how that feels to use.
Yeah, I love Vivaldi. I've been supporting them for years now. Of course, it's not perfect, but personally I love exploring features in a browser. And as you said, all the extra stuff in Vivaldi doesn't seem like bloat. The performance is great and you can turn all the stuff you don't need off. I would call it more of a framework for the user to build the exact browser they need.
Tab stacking? Is that vertical tabs? I use some Firefox extension other than Tree Style Tabs for that, at the moment (it just looks nicer to me), but native support for vertical tabs is something I would look for in a new browser.
@@MCLooyverse Vivaldi has 3 tab stacking styles. Compact, Two-Level and Accordion. In Vivaldi you can move the tab bar to all 4 sides of your screen, but that's unrelated to the tab stacking feature. As for the Tree Tab Style extension, I did mention it in my original comment. While it's convenient, I definitely prefer Vivaldi's native tab stacking.
Hi Nick, here are the other options you could consider : - Braver (a fork of Brave that took out the extra bloat if you can still find it) - Librewolf (this one only lacks a Qt environement to pair with KDE) - Konqueror & Falkon (the 2 that match KDE) - GNU Icecat (it can only improves since it remain Freesoftware)
Librewolf is a must, but for some the hardening can be a problem, its block a lot of functions, but its nice for privacy, for Nick Waterfox sound a good option.
Frankly it makes me sad to see what Firefox becomes... For me, Mozilla is focusing too much on politics instead of a powerful browser. I still use Firefox (and thinderbird), but I try to use more and more Epiphany
@Delsur27 I don't agree! Websites can be political but not tools. When I buy a screwdriver, I don't necessarily need them to give me a lecture. I want to know how it's produced, but that's it.
@@MadsterV No. Everything is politics from the start. The only thing you can do is bury your head in the sand and choose ignorance. But if you do that you shouldn't be angry at people who don't.
I want to see a resurgence in the development of Falkon. It has a lot of potential because the UI integrates well with KDE and has some features. Sadly, it looks like an abandoned project.
The ironic thing is, chrome (webkit) and safari (webkit) all came from KHTML which was a KDE project, years ago. So we gave KDE to thank for browsers being how far they are today
Just had confirmation a few days ago via the Falkon mailing list that it is not a dead project. There is work being done on it, it just lacked a maintainer for some time, but it has now been integrated in KDE Gear and seems to be actively developed again. It will actually go from version 3.2.0 to version 22.08.something, because it switched to the "standard" KDE version format. And it's good news indeed because it is a great browser.
@@josephdegarmo I was precisely asking on the mailing list about the Readability extension, that I couldn't get to work. Turns out it's written in Python, and Python-based Falkon extensions don't seem to be widely supported to say the least (they aren't working in my distro's Falkon version, and neither do they in the flatpak version or the snap version 🙄). But one the guys I talked to said it could be easily rewritten in QML - which is built-in and therefore supported everywhere - and that he'll try to do that in the near future. Didn't see it working, but my guess would be that it has some kind of dark reader mode, or at least that it could be easily modified to get one.
I've been using Vivaldi for the past 6 years (it was a buggy crashfest in 2016!), and it's great. Privacy, ad-blocking, tab-stacking, and runs great on Linux.
Had a few good laughs at this one, and was half expecting you would end up with the suckless browser or something similar 😁. I've been using Brave since the start of the year but not super happy with the experience. Browser is definitely a segment in need of "disruption".
Extension availability and support is a major need in my opinion. I would have included it in the rating system. I am keeping my eye on Librewolf as it could end up as the top fork of Firefox one day.
@@slicedcube Waterfox's issues are covered in the video. Personally I just can't stick with it, especially having been sold off to another company I don't trust.
Chrome is planning to remove browser extension support, so i guess that will make people migrate to Firefox, hopefully. but I don't have my hopes up, normies after all.
@@TheLinuxEXP Yes I agree there are facts. But people operating this are always gonna have a bias that drives them. You simply shouldn’t be allowed to prioritize people and label them on the internet just because they said something wrong. And the only time I’d be willing to accept this is if there is an unaffiliated unbiased non involved party that does this. There are a lot of things or groups in our society(not gonna mention names) today that are perceived to be “normal” or “facts” when in reality they aren’t. Someone running this could just mark a statement “non factual” just because the opposition said something against what is being perceived as “normal” or “accepted” today. Features like this are the gateway to 1984.
The only reason I ever switched from firefox was because they removed support for firefox extensions, only supporting WebExtensions now. Thats why I switched to Waterfox, which still supports (as much as possible) the old extensions (using bootstraps). If firefox would ever bring back the old extensions or at least the bootstrapped ones, I'd switch back, because competition is important. Extensions are the entire reason that the web is actually usable.
every month you should just switch to another browser giving us your thoughts after daily driving it and maybe at the end compile a list of things that you really liked and things that you didn't, kinda like what you did with kde and elementary
You forgot Pale Moon, this browser now also runs on Linux. It's my default browser on Windows, and I'm really happy with it. I love this old user interface. For me a browser has to look like Pale Moon.
@@Mario583a I find this to be very time-consuming, secondly it is very difficult for people who have little idea what is under the hood of a browser. It's very technical for laypeople like me. It would be better for people to be able to make these changes via an EXE file. I don't see any reason to switch back to Firefox, even knowing I can do all the changes manually.
I do want a browser with all the features and I have no loyalty to any one browser, certainly not Firefox, and I don't know why anybody would somehow feel like they owe it to a browser to continue using it. That's why I chose Vivaldi.
Vivaldi is great actually. It's a browser for powerusers. But everything can be disabled, you even get an option for that during the first launch. The minimal option looks just like any other browser. I understand your point though. Myself I'm a fan of browsers with multiple built in features, but it might be overwhelming if you love simplicity.
Used Vivaldi for two years and love it, but stopped using it because there it’s not available for iOS. Opera I don’t trust and see no reason to use it, given their history. Brave looks ok, but I also have trust issues towards them. As a Linux user, I don’t really have much to say about Edge, it appears to be great performance-wise, but I hate how Microsoft forces stuff on you. I use either Chrome or Firefox, but sadly Firefox engine sometimes fails me, but I’ll always support Mozilla.
Anyways, I am a big fan of Brave and I like its functionality (add and tracker blocking especially), integration of TOR so that I don't need to switch my browser for small tasks and UI which I feel completely matches my Debian environment. Also, I feel that the community support and variety of extensions that we can get in chromium are somewhat better.
I like Brave too. I love all that blocking without having to add extensions to do it. It's pretty easy to make sites like TH-cam non-functional though. So I find I always have to compromise its features just to use certain sites. That isn't a Brave problem.
@@hahachannel7726 I've been using opera GX, it's not as secure as something like brave (I think?) But it's much quicker and doesn't have a "crypto wallet" tab lol
Well I mean it also demonstrates why Chrome is winning. It has the best performance over all and for most users, the native Google integration is actually a feature. Nobody can claim that just because they are far ahead in market share Google is cheaping out on the development of the engine.
@@TheLinuxEXP so many errors with that comment. Do you think that man made climate change is a fact? Let me tell you it's the biggest scientific lie ever. But it's told to us that it's a fact by the one's trying to sell us this lie. Are firefox going to sensor critical voicees who speaks out against it? People who don't understand that this is wrong are part of the problem
Thank you for bringing up the issues with Firefox. It used to be a much easier on system resources but now, under certain loads, it uses more resources than Chrome. I have been in the same boat as you Nick. Glad you made this video!
same, best browser for this is Samsung browser (Android) you can force pages to go dark theme, or you can force even more by using the high contrast option.
I used to love Firefox, but it's become very ugly and its settings menu has been gutted. It makes me genuinely sad to see something that was once so great, dumbed down to such an extent.
So when is the Open-Source/Linux community gonna band together, take the web and build back better? Seems like we could use another engine and a browser that's made by those who really care.
@@realtimestatic think again, if someone has time and passion, stuff happens. Look at how much we've already got done. I'm currently in school and I've already got tons of projects ready for when I find the time. Maybe this will go onto the pile.
Because of different functionalities and the way particular web pages behave, I advise to use more than one web browser simultaneously, as long as your ram memory allows it. Personally I use Firefox, Chromium, Vivaldi, Tor browser and Waterfox, being Firefox the browser I use more often.
What I have noticed in this short comparison that these Chromium based browsers are kinda having slower performances the more bloat they have. I used to love Opera long long time ago. But they have changed and especially what bugs me the ownership of that company. Right now I am using Vivaldi with medium setup - both at home and at work. I really like stack tabs feature and it helps me immensely (especially with Jira). Also quick translation pane is also needed as a software developer I often work with foreign languages which I don't know - so it comes handy. I also like the download management - it used to be like that in Opera as well and I like it that way. Mail client - no I am not using that. I got used to web based emails so having any form of a mail client is sort of wasting space and time on my PC (apart from work where we must use Outlook). All in all, Browsers are VERY personal choice and performance is not always the key factor here.
PaleMoon looks great, love the retro UI vibe! Not sure why people diss the XP GUI style so much. It worked perfectly then, and works great now as long as you familiarize yourself and are having fun!
I had to stop watching at 3:25 when you started stating that Mozilla did not preach censorship and that everyone stating they did were liars. What is clear there is that you are ignoring the Tweets made by the company leadership that called for actual censorship. And because of that, you have lept into the category of passing false information. If you would have kept out the political crap, you would have been fine.
pale moon is fucking awesome btw. it is absolutely Windows XP territory in the best way ever. it is unbelievably customizable; you can make it look absolutely any way you would like through your super impressive themeing capabilities. it is my primary browser and i love it to death. lame as hell how you skipped it so fast.
I also tried using alternative browsers several times, but in the end I gave up on this idea. In theory, they all promise better privacy, speed, and so on. In reality, you never know what will not work there. They are made by small teams of developers who simply cannot make a good enough product of such complexity. Moreover, they can suddenly stop development and abandon the project (this has already happened several times). So I decided for myself that telemetry and other unpleasant things in firefox are not so terrible, but at least everything works and there is confidence that it will continue to work.
I’ve been using Opera cross platform for many years now, always liked the smooth performance and it not being a hog in RAM usage. It may have some added features, but they are easily ignored and don’t hurt performance 1 bit. I’ve also tried Firefox, but never liked the memory usage and responsiveness of it
I went through a phase where I tried several browsers and spent a few weeks with each. Opera won. I love 'my flow'. I love that on the desktop version that I can trick it into playing a gif instead of a stagnant picture on the 'speed dial' page. I love the quick access to specific websites on the 'speed dial' on both mobile and desktop. It's a great browser. It also has a built in VPN although I never really use that.
Been jumping between browsers for almost a year and I settled with brave finally I hate the logo but hey its the most secure and private one of all the browsers, it's been great experience for me so far
@@fikretdemir4818 it is definitely your problem if you expect to get a cutting edge, performant and compatible browser. Mozilla is an NGO, but it's extremely costly to maintain a competitive browser especially with the fast pace of web standards.
@@superagucova Of course I will expect a good browser from the company that mainly focused on browser, just like you expect good meal from a restaurant. Funding is not my problem.
I think the "lack" of speed in Firefox compared to other browers is a hopelessly overblown issue. I bet 99 percent of users wouldn't notice a difference in their daily usage from one browser to the other.
@@stephanhuebner4931 Exactly! Also, the Latest 94 version is dramatically super smooth somehow. I don't think there is any noticeable difference as compared to Chrome. Reason for this is Firefox moved to a newer and better GUI framework - EGL, instead of old OpenGL, for all platforms. It does need a supported graphics for that. Nvidia's latest graphics driver 470.82.00 started to support EGL's 'EGL_NV_robustness_video_memory_purge' extension that is used by Firefox. I am just supper happy with Firefox. Edit: my bad, It's, "...EGL, instead of old GLX..".
i love firefox on dekstop, but not when it comes to the laptop, because doesn't have native capabilites for back and next the page using touchpad gestures.
I don't care about how a browser fits into my linux desktop, I want security, privacy, and good plugins/addons. Looks like Waterfox is a good alternative to Firefox. I would never use Microsoft Edge, even on Windows. I have to use Chrome at work, but would never use it at home.
I would add that recently Waterfox broke on Linux. Something got updated which prevented Waterfox from working on two different PCs, with two different Linux distros. I reinstalled on both to get it working, one time was using the Flatpak version and then having to copy old settings to new profile.
This is like: I want to pick a wife, but I want her dress and makeup to match the color scheme of my house, I don't want her to know how to do too many things, and I'm concerned about how much will she gossip about me to her family 😂.
Interesting choice 🤔 I’ll stick with Firefox for as long as possible, been using it since back when it was still called Phoenix/Firebird. But some recent developments at Mozilla are indeed concerning, still we need diversity on the Browser market and unfortunately it’s looking more and more like either Chrome or bust…Microsoft’s decision to also throw in with Chromium was probably the nail in the coffin since suddenly the default browser of Windows no longer sucks donkey balls 🤩
I loved the first iteration of Edge which was supposedly using an "all new microsoft rendering engine" but mysteriously had all the same bugs and problems that the ancient IE had. And then with little fanfare it was suddenly chromium based
@@bizarrrre Yes, and that ended at version 9. It also had the Messenger email program which was one of the best till Thunderbird came along, but Messenger had one fatal flaw, in that it would ONLY open links in email msgs into the Netscape browser. To open a link in an email msg into another browser, required to copy the link and then paste into the second browser. That's why I finally quit Netscape during version 7.
Hehehe. Browsers aren't merely browsers anymore. They're mini-OS in themselves. Thanks to Chromium for that. It's still risky to give all the crucial settings to a browser--you never know when a bad actor gets complete control over your device just because one feature in the setting page was vulnerable. Bring back Netscape! We want a browser, and not a mini-OS!
I'm keeping Firefox despite all. Because I can still disable telemetry, and in mobile I can use add-ons, like uBlock and more. I'm using Brave on mobile, but some features doesn't manage to connect properly with Android. So I think I'll get back to Chrome Mobile.
I'm never moving away from Firefox as it is the only one that has all the features I need and isn't controlled by Google. I also have liked the mobile Firefox ever since the big update drastically improved performance.
Problem with the Firefox is that sometimes it's not rendering in an intended way as developer of the site never tested it with the Firefox. It's rare, but it happens. This is the main reason I've switched to the Edge long ago (after it moved to Chromium).
The "thought you'd say I'm moving from Firefox to Firefox" comments are what I was thinking to, having considered this in the past I've found it hard to justify moving away from Firefox, though if I did it would even with all its faults be to Epiphany, so did think you'd land on that. On a tangent I'm interested you didn't go along with the Brave hype, I've never understood that hype myself, it always comes across as unnecessarily bloated and the crypto integration has the air of a ponzi/scam scheme about it, don't understand why that's viewed as a positive rather than a massive alarm bell.
I dunno, I'm not into crypto stuff myself but I don't think crypto automatically equals scam. some people think it can enable a more democratic economy. then there's stuff like Odysee/LBRY which seems to be more about creating online spaces away from big tech. it aligns with some of the goals that are prevalent in the FOSS community. not saying crypto is all good but it seems to me that it depends on how it's designed and applied
tbf Brave is not anymore bloated than firefox, using both, isn't hard to stop all the crypto stuff, and best privacy configured browser out of the box (though kinda impossible to harden like firefox).
So Waterfox solved the exact problems you identified but you decided NOT to choose it because it didn't feel like you changed browsers ... ? That's so dumb lol
@@TheLinuxEXP Wasn't expecting a reply haha. Sure it's a personal choice but this is a video aimed at the public, and with the titling of the video I assumed the browser you would have chosen would be the one you would have recommended to others (us the public). So from my POV it seemed silly not to choose Waterfox based on the issues you had with Firefox that you outlined in the start of the video.
vivaldi is my personal favorite. It can be as simple, or as feature packed as you want. And at this point I don't think I can go without tab stack feature.
The problem is who gets to dictate what is "factual" and what is "misinformation". We all know the game is rigged, so we don't need more power and leverage getting thrown into the pot to make things even more one sided.
@@TheLinuxEXP You can tell a lie just by saying things that are "technically" facts and by simply NOT taking into account the overall context - actually, that's how the best lies get told (oftentimes by mainstream media) and are believed by people. You don't just 100% fabricate a news. This is silly, this is like level 2 on misinforming people. If you really want to fool people you give them bits of truths, that are facts, and disregard the full context and other bits of truths that could conflict with the narrative you want to push forward. I mean, according to North Korea until sometime ago, there was zero COVID cases there. It was a fact that the North Korean government said that, no question here. It was an official statement. If one listen to this news, and somehow they never heard about North Korea - and don't know anything about how their government isn't transparent - they just know it is an official information issued by the government of a country, they might as well believe that the information was real and was a fair representation of reality. In the end, "facts" mean very little, because most people simply don't have time to really dig in and do their own research and get all the other facts they would need and that mainstream media won't tell them. So in most of the time, 90% of people rely on a resumed version of what happened, and therefore you end up relying on someone to analyze the whole thing and to tell it to you. And can a person really trust those media outlets?
@@TheLinuxEXP You're missing the point entirely. Yes, facts are facts and there's only one truth - What websites and these internet companies choose to publish, or how they choose to moderate user speech on their platforms by what they consider "misinformation" is something completely different however.
Re: The Mozilla Censorship Thing... They didn't condemn censorship in the post, and pushed the false narrative of what happened on Jan 6. That shows where they stand. It's the one thing that will probably make me switch at some point.
@@Ju5t1nTa1z3n where did you go? I'll probably go back to brave now that it supports my needs on mobile (although night mode is a little buggier than dark reader).
i don't understand, there are online firefox themes that are css and can totally transform firefox's ui in every way. Theres a ton of vertical firefox tab themes and if you know how to code, you can tune it exactly
@@luider8795 it's not a theme thing, I cannot care less about themes, it's about tab management functionalities that Firefox doesn't have ETA: if you meant extensions, there maybe extensions that grant Firefox part of these functionalities, but personally I find them too unreliable
@@giacomomontanari4985 Im talking about firefox css themes which are custom made css profiles that change firefoxs ui. Alot of them change how firefox works, ie vertical tabs, new hotkeys, and single line website tab hooks
You are absolutely wrong about Firefox, as a developer I wanna say Firefox has everything I need: 1. Built-in proxy. No other browser has this feature. We are testing our platforms and we need to record everything regarding the back-end. We need all traffic to pass through a specific app. If you are in a call, or chatting on the WEB all other browsers has a system-wide proxy and this cut all other communications until you finish your job. Imagine going back and forth, open/close system proxy to have all traffic proxied through an app and also turn communications on with your team. Nightmare! 2. Firefox has the BEST developer tools out there. When inspecting elements on a heavy CSS dependent website, every other browser will stuck for a minute, or stuck entirely. Firefox never hangs on these situations. 3. When wanna find infinite scroll list on the list with elements, Firefox has developer tools that can auto update the height of a changing element. No other browser has this function. All browser in developer tools will stay with the initial value. There are many many more I wanna add, but just bear in mind, Firefox not dying. It's used in many cases, just other than yours ;)
The reason why I am *stuck to firefox is "containers"* . No other browser delivers this I guess. Not only Google but many websites like facebook and so many very infamous websites are there for just same thing(tracking). With Extensions like No Script , Duck Duck Go and Ad blockers I guess nothing else can serve me better privacy.
Wow, going for a Browser that makes no bones about tracking you seems kind of weird. Firefox v128 seems to also turn on Tracking Automatically, but you can still turn it off.
@@RalphInRalphWorld Isn't that the point of FOSS? That anybody can contribute good, clean code for the benefit of everyone using the software, so that it never truly "dies"? I find the idea of relying purely/solely on an upstream corporation with a profit incentive to maintain free software to be utterly horrifying
@@clocked0 I agree in theory. The issue is that web standards are a moving target, and maintaining browsers requires a lot of dedicated engineers. I am not convinced that a rag-tag team of skilled volunteers can substitute Firefox's resources and keep such a large project up to date. I'd love to be proven wrong. I really do, but I don't think it will happen.
Don't understand why you'd choose a riskier option in terms of privacy just because it doesn't match the colors of your Linux desktop.
yeah....
There is no privacy the governments of the world can see everything about you. Why would you think you somehow have better security on your little home PC that entire NATIONS don't have? The Chinese, Russians and Americans can hack anyone anywhere anytime.
Firefox cares about privacy? That's news to me must be one of these duckduckgo things where people somehow led themselves into believing the company cares about privacy based on old propaganda that no longer rings true to their modern reality
I notice this guy seems so care about appearance a lot. Not really my thing but many people care more about how something looks than how functional it is.
@@odizzido Yes I am one that loves a good GUI if you're reading text all day and think that is great you may have a menta defect my friend just sayin lol
I am afraid that if Firefox disappears Google will be this much closer to owning the only web engine out there with Blink. There ought to be a HUGE debian-style community effort put into forking a web engine, preferably gecko, to produce a fast, safe, efficient, competitive, extensible web engine for developers to easily build new web browsers upon.
Please, if I knew anything about web development I would help
@Blue_Ducky probably blender level of organisation
Why Gecko? WebRender is superior. Actually, we’d be much better of working to improve Firefox rather than throwing the towel.
@@Al0011235813 Gecko is Firefox' s browser engine. I think webrender is a part of Gecko.
@@themroc8231 WebRender is a completely different codebase written in Rust. Check your facts.
I switched from Chrome to Firefox because I don't want Firefox to disappear into nothingness. Having only Chromium based browsers sounds like a bad idea, especially since no one will make any websites compatible with any other browser anymore. At least now developers will have to support Firefox still
Too late.
the hero we need
They don't "have" to support Firefox, they just choose to because it still has a couple of users.
@@godnyx117 No they don't.. The only reason Google does is to avoid Chromium ripped away from them. Which I really do want more than Firefox staying alive.
@@godnyx117 couple of users?
2:40 EVERY browser on iOS is a Safari wrapper. Apple mandates that in their App Store policies.
Yeah, it’s Terrible
@The Linux Experiment yeah that’s why android is superior in terms of that regard! I don’t know how this isn’t apple abusing it’s monopoly
Your statement is a bit misleading. Apple enforces the use of WEBKIT. I think this is a good idea as iOS is an embedded system. Enforcing a single rendering engine means Apple is the sole company controlling its power consumption/performances/disk and cache usage. Which is a good thing when you're the company trying to sell an OS/user experience as a whole. And still it allows web browsers to exist on top of it precisely because web browsers are useful for their exclusive features. I personally use Opera on my iPhone because Opera's flow feature has been pure gold for me. So stating it as if it was a monopoly abuse is really unfair in my opinion.
@@DijTheWhiteEmperor It could still be called "hindering innovation", since you cannot have better performance than Safari because of being enforced to use that specific engine.
Example: I made a better engine than WebKit, but cannot use it on iOS because of that policy.
@@DijTheWhiteEmperor "company controlling its power consumption/performances/disk and cache usage." You forgot to mention to control also web applications. With chrome based browser user could run whatever webapp he wants. With safari Your're limited for apple app store apps only.
The issue is that if Firefox goes away we will have a big issue. No one except Firefox can cope with Google. If google is the only one we are in deep trouble.
FF sucks. And I was a big netscape user back in the day. Don't get me wrong I have librewolf, firedragon and firefox on my system but I only use libre wolf for a few things the rest of the time I use the faster google chrome or brave.
@@MichaelMantion I still niss Netscape.
@@MichaelMantion Google changing how adblockers are allowed to work in Chromium browsers means seeing ads again where they'd otherwise be blocked.
@@tukuiPat Agreed brave looks like the best choice going forward.
WebKit exists
the main reasons I'm sticking with firefox are because firefox sync makes reinstalls quite a bit easier since I use a password manager and it automatically gets added when I first sign in (and yes, my computers hate me, so I DO end up reinstalling a LOT) and also because firefox has an easy option to force all sites to use a local font, I have one that I prefer because my dyslexic ass sucks at reading and all the ridiculous fonts people use just give me a headache
I never use a browser PW manager I have my own because I can add notes to it... its a huge note under Gnote that gets backed whenever I do a backup as well. its in your /.local/share/ directory
In the end I thought you were saying "I am moving from Firefox to... Firefox". That was the conclusion from your video, Firefox would be its best replacement.
haha i also thought that too.. i know This video is old, but is librewolf a good alternative to current Firefox?
@@Filipex13 never used it, so I cannot comment about Librewolf
@@Filipex13 waterfox, librefox, floorp, zen all of them are way better than default firefox
@@kuma8030 alr thx i was using plain firefox i will check it out
Imagine switching from windows to Linux and using edge as your browser.
Hey, that's me!
@@agnuswulf Lol why?
@@oldaccount7463 Because I like it! It has everything I want in a browser in the right proportion.
- The best reading mode out there
- Extensions
- The best integration with WebApps (even in Linux!)
- A very good interface
- Stable asf
- Lighter than Chrome
And the list goes on. It's simply perfect to me.
Edge is quite good. So not sure of the hate.
I get what y'all are saying in terms of performance. However, a big part of moving to Linux is to get away from proprietary spyware. Sure edge is fast, but there are many great open source alternatives.
The only thing I'd point out is that Vivaldi lets you choose what features you want when you first boot it up, and gives you three distinct selections ranging from "just give me a web browser" to "give me all the extra features like a mail client"
I moved from Firefox to Vivaldi just because FF made it harder to close tabs to the right. Vivlaldi makes it easy and also offers close tabs to the left and close other tabs
I'm sticking with Firefox for now. It runs equally well on all of my phones, Linux machines and Windows machines, and I truly love the "send tab to device" feature (look up something on my phone, then send it to my desktop where I can actually read it).
I find it funny how a lot of the comments here talk about "I'm use x because *insert odly specific feature*" and I realized it doesn't really matter how high performance and browser or how secure people just pick what they like the most so it's pointless to argue (unless of course they use chrome or edge)
The native screenshot feature is also pretty neat!
@@Polar_Onyx Browsers are literally all preference. There's no use fanboying over one or another, which is why i think these comments are so silly.
opera has that feature aswell, its called my flow
@@Polar_Onyx It’s almost like people pick software based on their use cases…
Let the browser battles begin!
My choice is probably not one any sane human being would make 😅
@skYe_ waterfox has a s*itty privacy policy
@@yoman9446 we need earthfox and airfox
yes
@@goodsoul6675 I don't get that either. As long as those features can be switched off if not needed, I don't see the issue.
"Firefox diying is TERRIBLE for the web" posted 2 Weeks ago.
Well this aged badly
seriously its going to be bad. they will rule the internet if all gecko based browsers disappeer, and idk where you guys get the concept they have respect for privacy, its 99% of their freaking job to collect your data and remove features that everyone likes such as the removal of Manifest V2.
as a firefox user and as a student, i have to say, pocket really is helpful when you are scouring through a thousand different websites for your projects/essays. it has really helped me ever since i started using it.
Yeah, it's a really good complement to Firefox, I used to use it before it was added to Firefox by default
Its name was "read it later" before it became Pocket. I prefer readwise reader or instapaper.
@@only2sea Those can be combined 😉
am a uni student and can confirm, i did not expect pockets to be so good and helpful but i am glad it exists
Using pocket is basically handing your data out on a silver platter
I want to see how this evolves. I have a feeling you'll go back eventually.
Might be!
Used Firefox since it was called firebird. Switched to brave 1 year ago on PC laptop phone and tablet. Didn't care about switching back. At all.
I'm looking at epiphany (or how GNOME calls it these days: "Web", as if application names is not a thing anymore) from time to time and unfortunately it is not in good place - the feature set is very bare (as expected for a GNOME app) and it's integration with my Plasma desktop is abysmal - just getting it to have the correct DPI is annoyingly difficult.
Chrome for work and Firefox for personal use!
What he said? Biffeni?
Never say "goodbye" to such a great browser like Firefox
I love pages not loading properly!!
Accept the truth Firefox sucks
@@randomguy15865 this is not always Firefox fault. Sometime it is just site scripts issue. Web developers tend to test their apps on Chromium based browsers only. This is not only Firefox problem, but Safari and any WebKit based browser so.
agree you will never get that level of privacy and customization again once you give up the only decent browser you have.
@@randomguy15865 Firefox blocks the evil scripts that Google wants on the Internet
I don't know if you've considered this already but LibreWolf is kinda like Firefox without all the telemetry, kinda like how Ungoogled Chromium is from Chromium or Chrome.
I thought he was gonna just pick LibreWolf and end the video. Surprisingly, it didn't even make it to the video!
he said he wants to get the feeling of a new browser. Librewolf doesn't give that to him.
Librewolf is what I use for all my business related stuff. I love it.
Yep totally agree librewolf for the win, best browsing experience I've had
Never heard of it, now that you mention it, that sounds really great. FireFox is pretty fast too, I want it now.
It is sad to see Firefox dying like this. I'll hold onto it for a while as I have it configure how I like with an about:config but its getting worse to maintain. Also competition to google is good. I find myself jumping back and forth between firefox and brave and kinda using it as task separation between work/play or topics of research.
Also back when I was doing webdev, the debugger in chrome is simply better/easier to use imo
I see your point entirely, and while I agree with the good of having competition, I just never liked firefox. I ran opera (starting with version 5.0) for many years, before it started to suck. After a few years with Firefox, I now switched to Vivaldi, and am as happy with at as i used to be with opera in the beginning years.
Chrome will never take me alive. I wil continue using Firefox till the day I die or Firefox dies.
I just use different profiles in Brave to switch between work and play. They open up side by side in separate windows.
@@caraxes_noodleboi Agreed... and hopefully an alternative to firefox comes along at some point. But that may be daydreaming though... considering the immense complexity and cost of maintaining a full-featured browser.
i like brave bc of its tor feature
Notes about Pale Moon: You missed the entire point of the browser
1. It supports basically every device, even those that firefox doesn't currently support (XP).
2. It was originally made to allow NPAPI and PPAPI plugins to continue running (Stuff like Flash)
3. Customization is already available from the welcome screen, there is a tab on the website just for it
4. It is fast
The problems with it is
1. Some sites doesn't work
2. Many modern addons don't work
3. It is old
It remains as my secondary browser in case firefox stopped working
In other words, insecure as hell.
Just use Librewolf. Pale Moon sucks
@@alphaursaeminoris1 I still use it in case any other browser breaks, if you want to browse old internet, it is king
Firefox still rocks, people will understand it's true value when it will disappear from market or get crushed by monopolistic companies, always with firefox 🥰
ever since switching to Linux full time, I have been using firefox and I don't have any major issues with it
I used Netscape Navigator the grand daddy of FF, then Mozilla Browser the father and then FF and they all were shitty that is why Microsoft crushed Netscape, and then Mozilla because Netscape/Mozilla were a bunch of coders who didn't understood the needs of users and Google did that is why crushed everyone, including Microsoft and is becoming the dominant by far engine for the web.
If it were for Microsoft and Mozilla we would've remained in the browsers of 2005 without any significant changes, the web would've been completely boring.
yeah i love slow browsing and webpages not loading properly!!!!
Are U chinese
@@ubahni lol true
the best part of this video is how you show up that browser usage depends on user usage, i can't move away from firefox because the containers are a nice feature which i can't see myself without using it, but that is my case, epiphany may be the right answer to your needs even with the compromises, and move people to use new stuff in a better way, with less fanboy-ism in between
What do containers do for you?
I use Firefox but only because Chromium forks hate old Nvidia GPUs.
The bookmarks, history, and other parts of the UI are so bad.
This is my exact situation. I use containers to isolate browser sessions by subjects (work, personal life, projects, shopping, etc) and it enables me to get back the generic ads online that are thailored by where my IP addresses is rather than what I'm doing recently (hard to believe, but that is the form of ads I prefer).
I did try a similar extension on Chromium, but it didn't work as well and it was paid. Even after unlocking the paid features, it still wasn't on par with Firefox's containers with assignations and stuff.
@Stewie Griffin this, i use it for both
Simple Tab Groups and containers. Can’t switch browser because of this.
Netscape for life.
While Firefox is and will remain my preferred browser, I actually use 7 browsers altogether. Some have specific purposes, but others are simply options when Firefox doesn't behave or I'm just seeking a change. Opera and Vivaldi are tied for second, Brave is for those times when I need the utmost in Privacy (with Tor as a backup), and I still have but rarely use Chrome (mainly because it's a Google product/engine).
I missed librewolf, dot, wexond, decentr, unbranded firefox and firedragon, which is a fork of librewolf focused on KDE
dot browser is still in development!
Interesting a few of those I had not even heard of, will have to look them up. Also there is Basilisk and Naver Whale :)
@@awolsam Whale I ignored because it has too much clutter, the ones I mentioned are all within the parameters of Nick, Basilik is ok but I had issues updating if your language is not english, it literally break beyond repair, same with waterfox for some reason
@Lynn Geek I don't use thunderbird, I open my emails on the browser, so I don't know what to tell you
@@villenmillenion7986 librewolf is dead?
I'm still sticking with Firefox. I can configure it how I like. It's not another chromium wrapper and the syncing and integration across multiple machines and multiple platforms is very useful to me. Thank you, thank you Nick for pointing out the whole "censorship" thing is BS. That tired old complaint from people who can't read (like DistroTube) is so very annoying. Really enjoyed your evaluation process in this video. Looking forward to the follow-up!
@Linux Addict yeah! I’d rather have him not as one of the main TH-camrs representing the Linux community but unfortunately he is! And if people from the outside see some of the bs he said or done it might make the Linux community seem unfriendly
I agree. But, whats the BS Distrotube is peddling? I have watched a couple of his videos, I haven't found anything controversial. I just checked out the Firefox isn't supporting a free internet video, BS I agree, but that was it.
DDG: Mozilla censorship
Google will probably hide the post.
And TH-cam is removing my posts.
This test just proved to me that Firefox is the right choice (for me) as well. I don't see any dealbreaker yet, and more importantly I don't see a better choice.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 DT has a right to express his opinion, that's true. Other also have the right to not watch his videos AND openly disagree with his rhetoric. He has a right to say what he wants to say, but he has no right to not be openly criticized for it.
as a developer, am sticking on firefox. It has an amazing dev tools ♥️
agree. The firefox developer edition is awesome. Especially when working with grid and flexbox.
as a developer i block ff's agent string.
3:20 Seeing how the phrase "this is proven to be false" is being used today, having that as a reason to censor information will most certainly be abused.
Yeah, like how Republicans pretend like all the science is not always against their racism, transphobia, misogyny, Climate Change and homophobia.
Librewolf is what I use, basically hardened firefox
I'm a bit surprised he didn't mention librewolf but I guess he would scored it similar to waterfox
@@chapogon Perhaps a bit less, as it doesn't support Firefox Sync.
@@neolight1010 that's true, I guess that also might be one reason he didn't showed it as well
I love librewolf. It's a great project. If you want something simple (you don't have to spend a half hour with about config) its a great choice.
@@johnmal5975 Hello! I am wondering about what to choose - Waterfox or LibreWolf. I am Windows 10 LTSC user (with cut out telemetry and other spy stuff. However, I used Manjaro Linux for a while, but it has unacceptable performance for me) and still idk what to choose.
@2:42: You couldn't be more wrong about Mitchell Baker's blog post. Not only did it speak positively of the deplatforming that occurred, it asked for MORE things to be done, such as "amplify factual voices" by default. Just because it also asked for transparency doesn't change that it condoned censorship and asked for the scales to be tipped to "authoritative sources" (which are just establishment sources with their own bias).
I'm sad that you're leaving firefox. I'm sticking with it as it's the most mainstream non chromium browser, also, I use it since 2009. It get's my theme's colors in KDE (there's default theme, that picks colors according to system theme), I have some extensions, I use the sync, etc... I'd love firefox to get better, not worse, so it would get more people using it, otherwise, chromium will be basically the only web engine out there (relevant). And monopoly is never good...
Firefox use lot of memory, I also stopped using firefox and moved to chromium for that.
I guess as google give money to firefox team (if I'm not wrong)they tell the firefox team to reduce or at least not improve the quality of firefox, By this way, lot of people will move to chrome, As users using chrome certainly bring more money to google than firefox, it's a good thing for google :)
@@nicobzz1 Can you not spread disinformation you pulled straight out of your arse?
You clearly don't know anything about the situation, why do you have to make stuff up? You obviously have internet access: use it to inform yourself about the situation instead of spreading lies. Thank you.
@@eyjzdrkxjqzfuhqyzybf what things I told do you critiquize?
If you criticize that I said that firefox used lot of memory, know that I started firefox, I watched the amount of memory used with about 20 tabs opened, the total system memory was about 3,5 GO, and in the same situation chrome used about 2GO, where as abuntu alone used about 1,3 GO. I do believe firefox use more memory.
About what I told about google, it's an hypothesis, only and hypothesis, it's why I used the word "I guess"
@@nicobzz1 Dude you are spreading misinformation about "Google is telling Firefox what to do" (Yes, you are wrong). That's nonsense, atleast until proven otherwise.
does that make you sad? why ?
I will stick with Firefox. Seems like times suck for them right now, but so far i didn't notice any negative impact on my browsing experience yet.
I fear this is turning into a trend to switch to chrome reskins for no real reason. I hope it stops soon.
moi aussi
some of it is disagreeing with Moz' data collection. Some of it is disagreeing with Moz' politics, and a bunch of it comes down to newer websites not rendering right.
@Tidal Leaf Its so much cleaner than any Chromium browser when you set it up right.
Vivaldi is the only real Chromium-based contender to Firefox for me. I rely on customizability and features of Vivaldi which Firefox can't replicate (or can, with like 100 inefficient add-on workarounds), so to each their own. It's sad that it isn't open-source/Gecko-based because it appeals to "power users" which typically prefer FOSS. On another hand, Vivaldi fully open-sources its outdated versions; not the same thing, but you can look into that.
@@viper8908 If i was forced to use a chromium based browser, id pick Vivaldi as well.
They blatantly said they support Deplatforming in the title so that should give you enough information about what their end goal is. You said they don't support that but then go on to show the exact part that does basically say that: "Turn on by default to amplify factaul voices over disinformation". Let me make myself clear here, I do not want any information being decided what's right for me to see and also more or less censored by being pushed down the search resaults so i have to go to page number 341 to find a different take that the mainstream media and politicians don't approve of. Another part you just missed out on is "Changine this dangerous dynamics requires more than just temporary silencing or permanent removal of bad actors on soical media platforms". That short sentence should honestly tell you enough about the direction firefox is taking...it's just going to become another Google Clone. There is no point using FireFox to promote competion when the end goal is to be just a slightly less bad version of Google. FireFox has been dying for awhile now and this does not help its cause at all, it just drives the old users off to use the Forked versions of it. They need to cut everything back (Pocket, stupid poltical blog posts etc.) and go back to what made FireFox good by focusing purely on privacy,security and performance as those are the only three things that truly matter, everything else is just bloat similair to Windows 10 and its preinstalled apps/features... which no one really wants.
"Its not censorship to let a big tech company determine what is and isnt true and then restricting visibility of things it decides are not true (ie, things it does not like)".
No one said a big tech company should decide. That’s the current situation of things. That’s not what Mozilla wants.
@@TheLinuxEXP "Turn on by default the tools to amplify factual voices over disinformation". It's right there, they hardly even applied much doublespeak.
@@TheLinuxEXP "Turn on by default the tools to amplify factual voices over disinformation."
By definition, censorship doesn't bother him since he doesn't think it's censorship to let others determine what is "true" and therefore "acceptable speech". But, I guess that just means he's not at risk of getting shut down by TH-cam.
@@DavidIstre hes a weak pseudo-intellectual that only repeats articles he finds online, and has jewish approved “lukewarm” takes on everything, and yes, it is censorship to censor speech you dont like in order to “decide what is true” is.
Sad :( I have been using Firefox for more than 15 years now. Even though the browser is not at the same level as it used to be even half a decade ago, I really can't see myself jumping ship anytime soon.
The icon for Firefox is enough to make a grown man barf. Could they make a worse looking icon?
@@parkerbohnn personally i love those semi-minimalist, colorful, gradient-filled icons. Edge has another great one.
I honestly think some Linux users go to far with their obsession about customization, tweaking and making things EXACTLY how you want them to be. I have used firefox for 20 years (almost since release) and I never really felt it doesnt serve me will. It has added lots of features over time and I never felt as if it would slow down me in any way. But like the saying goes: "It always looks greener on the other side of the fence." Some people are never satisfied.
FF lost 70M user in just the last 5 years,, It's still slow while other Chromium-based browsers do well in performance
@@farouqstray1411 I guess that happens when trillion dollar companies pump infinite fundings in their browser...
@@farouqstray1411 And what does slow even mean? Is chrome a few milliseconds faster than firefox? Maybe? I have never thought that firefox is slow.
@@Widur42 You got it; Chromium-based browser companies are investing in their browser's development, while Mozilla seems to focus on other services (not FF),, this is why the Linux community are upset with it (They have all right to be)
Also, Mozilla get money from Google (500M each year) at the same time laying off 250 FF employees,, and keeps ignoring the community feedback, giving on the Progressive Web App development, and other privacy issues (from a company that promotes itself for community and privacy)
@@Widur42 But I agree that FF is still usable, and maybe Mozilla will correct its policies in the future!! (I doubt it)
It would be useful to also include the security component in your list, i.e. how fast the vulnerabilities are patched etc.
@Ankit That's debatable. I'd say security and privacy go hand in hand! If someone wants privacy, they'll need a browser that is secure. Likewise, if someone wants a browser to stay secure, there needs to be a fair amount of privacy. I'd say both are crucial to one another. Security means more than just bug fixes and patches. It also means having your personal data protected.
@@vertihippo1274 I really would like to know which offers both impressive security and privacy. I really can't decide between Firefox or Brave and it's looking me..
@@HeWhoProclaims The answer lies in personal preference! Firefox has never failed me in terms of privacy, but this certainly gives me a bias. Brave is Chromium-based and open-source, and open-source is always good to hear. Firefox is also open-source. I have never much liked Chromium myself, but I must say I like what I've read about Brave. Articles comparing the two reach various conclusions. I would recommend you look into and use them both. Which one is faster? Which one seems more invasive? Does one seem more bloated? Which has more security features? Most importantly, which suits you?
*If you ask me,* Firefox with addons will always beat something Chromium-based for privacy. Again, this is biased and shouldn't be treated as solid advice. I've used both a bit, and both have their own pros. Brave and Firefox are both a tad bloated, although Firefox feels much less bloated to me while providing similar features. Brave comes with a Rewards feature which seems excessive. Firefox comes with less built-in, and I'd say that gives more privacy control. You can choose what you want more so, optimizing speed and security.
@@vertihippo1274 the person asked security not privacy, Chrome is a secure Browser either you like it or not the problem is the privacy and that's what kinda draw the line between privacy/security debate you trying to start, therefor security as in fast response to vulnerabilities should also be considered separately .
Vivaldi has many features, but when you first launch it you get a popup where you can select the bare minimum with a single click for it to be "just a browser"
it is proprietary software, therefore it is instantly not a even an option for many, like myself
Yeah i don't think he was even giving it a serious look, seeing as how he ignored the first install page. I don't think he would have used it anyway but it's bit of a failed overview
And on top of that you could just choose Vivaldi Essentials
@craig Why have a over-bloated browser full of sh*t you'll never use? _Some_ extensions are junk but I haven't found too many in Firefox that had problems. The extensions not recommended are where you might find a dud but you make it sound like a hopeless endeavor which it's not. Many people want everything to operate the way they want straight out of the box with no set-up but that also normally leaves them with few settings, options & choice. You are an iPhone user, aren't you? 😁
@Ankit I just tried and it works
I don't understand why aesthetics would be a serious consideration. Maybe I wasn't paying close attention but these browsers all seemed to have similar designs where the aesthetics, or the app surrounding the web content, were minimal. If you were shopping for a decent car to get you from point A to B without a hassle, were looking for a low price, reliability, fuel efficiency, and convenience, would you turn down a well-maintained Honda Civic because the colour was wrong or it didn't go with your wardrobe?
Linux on the desktop can still be considered non-standard compared to Windows and macOS (or ChromeOS). It has varying and customizable UIs that browsers probably should not be customized for unless it's by the desktop environments themselves.
I generally assume that people with the initiative to run desktop Linux are more focused on technical, practical, and functional aspects of their computing experience and only secondarily care about aesthetics.
I'm typing this on a Chromebook. I'm thinking about getting a different computer one day, perhaps a Slimbook. I don't think I can get exactly what I want in a computer, especially from anything running macOS or Windows, even if I run Linux on it. But maybe KDE has done their very best, and that means a lot to me. They didn't create AirTags as a way of ripping off Tile's IP or put the faulty butterfly keyboard on their laptops worth thousands of dollars. They also presumably won't try to force a particular web browser on me, like Microsoft Edge. And while desktop Linux might not be absolutely perfect, it's about as close as it gets today, far removed from the annoying politics that go with more mainstream OSes, including ChromeOS and Google forcing its buggy features on users. In a recent update to ChromeOS, Google forced an upgrade to Android which slowed Android apps down on low-end Chromebooks (as the vast majority of Chromebooks tend to be). They also added an unremovable app icon for the Linux cli and another for something called Screencast that I think allows communication via webcams. There's also an Explore icon which gives inaccurate and out of date information on the latest features on ChromeOS. It's also unremovable.
None of these operating systems or devices are going to be exactly to my preferences. I have to be careful to pick the best ones possible. And you know what? I think Firefox is likely the best one. If you can turn the telemetry off and stop the built-in ads (I might consider donating a small dollar amount to Mozilla to show my gratitude), also adding uBlock Origin to stop ads online, you might have a browser that isn't based on Chrome/Chromium, has an engine of its own, is mainstream enough to run the entire internet, and has been around longer than Chrome/Chromium.
I'll look for the follow-up to this video to see how things turned out. While any browser made by the open source community is admirable for that very quality, I assume that Mozilla's sins are all about trying to keep themselves afloat since their main competition is from one of the largest tech companies in the world with a market capitalization of $1.7 trillion.
i had no time to read all of that but i assume your on team firefox, 👍👍
5:13 I think it should be noted that Pale Moon resides in Windows XP territory because it aims to take over Windows XP era computers (that can't handle most of modern browsers)
@Unleavened Eagle even on 64?
Male poon is a joke
@Unleavened Eagle not anymore, though it supported it for a long time (mypal is based of it I believe)
@@bluebirdsigma how about Seamonkey?
I liked Windows XP and Netscape.
Yes vivaldi can feel overwhelming at first but its worth it. The best part is that it allows you to start from very simple mode disabling all the advanced stuff like web panels, tiling, stacking. With the simple mode, it will feel like any other decent web browser and then you can just make your way up to some of the advanced things little by little. Everything is configurable to your needs and once you get it right for you, it really does boost up your overall productivity.
Agreed. Vivaldi takes time to learn it but once you do it's a heaven for people who like to customize their experiences. I used it for a while loved it. Mobile app is also good. Now I switched to Edge because of his lightweight performance but the mobile app leaves much to be desired.
@@milosmisic89 hey . edge is will not be good at option . try opera it has good performance too
It's privacy policy and practices are a pile of shit though.
@craig Microsoft edge is essentially just a better chrome variant. Not great, but its simple, decently optimized, and it works if you don't care too much
@@freelookmode9837 fair, but tue only browsers that don't have that problem don't have the features I want
I used Firefox for so very long. But after Google took it over it started to suck.
There's also "LibreWolf", which is Firefox, but with all Mozilla stuff disabled and some other neat tweaks as well. It is, unlike WaterFox, very close to upstream.
Although it is somewhat " aggressive" with it's changes, as things like DRM are also turned off by default.
Yeah I was surprised he didn't go for it.
I mean LibreWolf is basically just hardened Firefox out of the box
LibreWolf ftw
Goint to check that, thanks !
The main issue for me is the lack of mobile app and sync options
Personally, I just can't use a browser if it doesn't have tab stacking. Vivaldi is the only browser that has it afaik (not counting the Tree Tab Style extension). And the extra features aren't deal breaking at all. Most of them are useful and don't feel like bloat. Except for the email client and calendar.
To me it seems like tab stacking but it's actualy bookmarks in the backend would be the way to go.
Anyway I just went looking and figured out how to turn the bookmarks toolbar on, I guess I'll see how that feels to use.
Yeah, I love Vivaldi. I've been supporting them for years now. Of course, it's not perfect, but personally I love exploring features in a browser. And as you said, all the extra stuff in Vivaldi doesn't seem like bloat. The performance is great and you can turn all the stuff you don't need off. I would call it more of a framework for the user to build the exact browser they need.
Tab stacking? Is that vertical tabs? I use some Firefox extension other than Tree Style Tabs for that, at the moment (it just looks nicer to me), but native support for vertical tabs is something I would look for in a new browser.
@@MCLooyverse Vivaldi has 3 tab stacking styles. Compact, Two-Level and Accordion.
In Vivaldi you can move the tab bar to all 4 sides of your screen, but that's unrelated to the tab stacking feature. As for the Tree Tab Style extension, I did mention it in my original comment. While it's convenient, I definitely prefer Vivaldi's native tab stacking.
Chrome got tab groups a bit ago but it's nowhere near as useful as Vivaldi's imo
Hi Nick, here are the other options you could consider :
- Braver (a fork of Brave that took out the extra bloat if you can still find it)
- Librewolf (this one only lacks a Qt environement to pair with KDE)
- Konqueror & Falkon (the 2 that match KDE)
- GNU Icecat (it can only improves since it remain Freesoftware)
Librewolf is a must, but for some the hardening can be a problem, its block a lot of functions, but its nice for privacy, for Nick Waterfox sound a good option.
Looks like you have to build (compile) Braver, it is not hard to find.
I love librewolf, works great on openbox
Oooh def making a braver Brower
Frankly it makes me sad to see what Firefox becomes...
For me, Mozilla is focusing too much on politics instead of a powerful browser.
I still use Firefox (and thinderbird), but I try to use more and more Epiphany
@Delsur27 Everything is politics if you want it to be. Many of us don't.
Firefart and thunderturd?
Mozilla doesn't even support thunderbird anymore, haven't for years now.
@Delsur27 I don't agree! Websites can be political but not tools.
When I buy a screwdriver, I don't necessarily need them to give me a lecture. I want to know how it's produced, but that's it.
@@MadsterV No. Everything is politics from the start. The only thing you can do is bury your head in the sand and choose ignorance. But if you do that you shouldn't be angry at people who don't.
I want to see a resurgence in the development of Falkon. It has a lot of potential because the UI integrates well with KDE and has some features. Sadly, it looks like an abandoned project.
Yeah, that’s too bad!
The ironic thing is, chrome (webkit) and safari (webkit) all came from KHTML which was a KDE project, years ago. So we gave KDE to thank for browsers being how far they are today
Just had confirmation a few days ago via the Falkon mailing list that it is not a dead project. There is work being done on it, it just lacked a maintainer for some time, but it has now been integrated in KDE Gear and seems to be actively developed again. It will actually go from version 3.2.0 to version 22.08.something, because it switched to the "standard" KDE version format. And it's good news indeed because it is a great browser.
@@ericbrunel8933 Great. Now if we can get a dark mode for it like Dark Reader in Chrome and Firefox, that would be fantastic.
@@josephdegarmo I was precisely asking on the mailing list about the Readability extension, that I couldn't get to work. Turns out it's written in Python, and Python-based Falkon extensions don't seem to be widely supported to say the least (they aren't working in my distro's Falkon version, and neither do they in the flatpak version or the snap version 🙄). But one the guys I talked to said it could be easily rewritten in QML - which is built-in and therefore supported everywhere - and that he'll try to do that in the near future. Didn't see it working, but my guess would be that it has some kind of dark reader mode, or at least that it could be easily modified to get one.
I've been using Vivaldi for the past 6 years (it was a buggy crashfest in 2016!), and it's great. Privacy, ad-blocking, tab-stacking, and runs great on Linux.
Had a few good laughs at this one, and was half expecting you would end up with the suckless browser or something similar 😁. I've been using Brave since the start of the year but not super happy with the experience. Browser is definitely a segment in need of "disruption".
Surf from suckless just.. sucks
if only surf actually did suck less lol
Definitely, I meant I thought he would say that as a joke at the end.
I was very impressed by brave. I wasn't by firefox except its ui
I don't mind brave but if it had less bloat, I'd like it more.
Extension availability and support is a major need in my opinion. I would have included it in the rating system. I am keeping my eye on Librewolf as it could end up as the top fork of Firefox one day.
what about waterfox?
@@slicedcube Waterfox's issues are covered in the video. Personally I just can't stick with it, especially having been sold off to another company I don't trust.
Chrome is planning to remove browser extension support, so i guess that will make people migrate to Firefox, hopefully. but I don't have my hopes up, normies after all.
3:22 see the thing is u shouldn’t tell people what’s false or what’s “proven”.
Well, yes. Because facts are a thing :) and they don’t say « remove everything », they say « lower priority »: not censorship
@@TheLinuxEXP
Yes I agree there are facts. But people operating this are always gonna have a bias that drives them. You simply shouldn’t be allowed to prioritize people and label them on the internet just because they said something wrong. And the only time I’d be willing to accept this is if there is an unaffiliated unbiased non involved party that does this.
There are a lot of things or groups in our society(not gonna mention names) today that are perceived to be “normal” or “facts” when in reality they aren’t. Someone running this could just mark a statement “non factual” just because the opposition said something against what is being perceived as “normal” or “accepted” today. Features like this are the gateway to 1984.
@@TheLinuxEXP you mean censorship but for fewer peoples.
@@TheLinuxEXP firefox is not the people i know for censorship but you sound like your working for mozilla.
Librewolf and ungoogled chromium also good options.
I'm using libre wolf now. So far, so good. I want to use it for a full month before I make a decision. I'm coming from brave.
What’s the difference between Ungoogled Chromium and SRWare Iron
ungoogled chromium has more vulnerabilities than regular chromium
@@yoman9446 How's that?
@@valentinidk6101 updates are pushed later in the ungoogled version
The only reason I ever switched from firefox was because they removed support for firefox extensions, only supporting WebExtensions now. Thats why I switched to Waterfox, which still supports (as much as possible) the old extensions (using bootstraps). If firefox would ever bring back the old extensions or at least the bootstrapped ones, I'd switch back, because competition is important. Extensions are the entire reason that the web is actually usable.
every month you should just switch to another browser
giving us your thoughts after daily driving it
and maybe at the end compile a list of things that you really liked and things that you didn't, kinda like what you did with kde and elementary
You forgot Pale Moon, this browser now also runs on Linux. It's my default browser on Windows, and I'm really happy with it. I love this old user interface. For me a browser has to look like Pale Moon.
I think Firefox can also look like Pale Moon [ Aris-t2 /CustomCSSforFx ]
I see you are a man of culture as well
@@Mario583a I find this to be very time-consuming, secondly it is very difficult for people who have little idea what is under the hood of a browser. It's very technical for laypeople like me. It would be better for people to be able to make these changes via an EXE file. I don't see any reason to switch back to Firefox, even knowing I can do all the changes manually.
@@Mario583a didn't think I'd find you here
I do want a browser with all the features and I have no loyalty to any one browser, certainly not Firefox, and I don't know why anybody would somehow feel like they owe it to a browser to continue using it. That's why I chose Vivaldi.
What about LibreWolf?
LibreWolf = Waterfox + a little bit more privacy -- AccountSync
Vivaldi is great actually. It's a browser for powerusers. But everything can be disabled, you even get an option for that during the first launch. The minimal option looks just like any other browser. I understand your point though. Myself I'm a fan of browsers with multiple built in features, but it might be overwhelming if you love simplicity.
Used Vivaldi for two years and love it, but stopped using it because there it’s not available for iOS. Opera I don’t trust and see no reason to use it, given their history. Brave looks ok, but I also have trust issues towards them. As a Linux user, I don’t really have much to say about Edge, it appears to be great performance-wise, but I hate how Microsoft forces stuff on you. I use either Chrome or Firefox, but sadly Firefox engine sometimes fails me, but I’ll always support Mozilla.
Anyways, I am a big fan of Brave and I like its functionality (add and tracker blocking especially), integration of TOR so that I don't need to switch my browser for small tasks and UI which I feel completely matches my Debian environment. Also, I feel that the community support and variety of extensions that we can get in chromium are somewhat better.
I like Brave too. I love all that blocking without having to add extensions to do it. It's pretty easy to make sites like TH-cam non-functional though. So I find I always have to compromise its features just to use certain sites. That isn't a Brave problem.
I was loving brave before It started pushing crypto nonsense
@@sefflikejeff1917 so what u use now?
@@hahachannel7726 I've been using opera GX, it's not as secure as something like brave (I think?)
But it's much quicker and doesn't have a "crypto wallet" tab lol
I use Brave as my main browser but it always seems "bloated" and use a lot of memory.
Well I mean it also demonstrates why Chrome is winning. It has the best performance over all and for most users, the native Google integration is actually a feature. Nobody can claim that just because they are far ahead in market share Google is cheaping out on the development of the engine.
Until they get full control
it's fast if you have the Ram and resources to power it. Those of us with older computers find chrome crashy and buggy.
@@VeryUsMumblings
How old? I have hardware from 2013 with 8GB DDR3 and it runs fast and stable.
@@AcidiFy574 I mean they completely dominate the mobile market, and that doesn't seem to have stopped them from trying to innovate in that space.
@@Alias_Anybody My Hardware is a year older, with 4GB but I haven't used chrome browser in six months because it was crashing every day.
Vivaldi is good for who work with web development or testing on laptop with 1 screen, no compromise it all
What is proven disinformation, and who decides that? There is a huge problem there.
Facts are facts. No one needs to decide.
@@TheLinuxEXP so many errors with that comment.
Do you think that man made climate change is a fact?
Let me tell you it's the biggest scientific lie ever. But it's told to us that it's a fact by the one's trying to sell us this lie.
Are firefox going to sensor critical voicees who speaks out against it?
People who don't understand that this is wrong are part of the problem
Thank you for bringing up the issues with Firefox. It used to be a much easier on system resources but now, under certain loads, it uses more resources than Chrome. I have been in the same boat as you Nick. Glad you made this video!
This is why I left Firefox, not really faster than Chrome but somehow eating RAM like no tomorrow
You are one very picky guy.
A browser without DarkReader or something similar is a total no-go for me. I don't want any bright webpages anymore, even on the mobile browser.
same, best browser for this is Samsung browser (Android) you can force pages to go dark theme, or you can force even more by using the high contrast option.
I can't live without Firefox. So many super useful cool addons that I completely depend on.
I used to love Firefox, but it's become very ugly and its settings menu has been gutted. It makes me genuinely sad to see something that was once so great, dumbed down to such an extent.
So when is the Open-Source/Linux community gonna band together, take the web and build back better? Seems like we could use another engine and a browser that's made by those who really care.
I don’t think the Linux community is gonna make a whole new web render engine
If only!
@@realtimestatic think again, if someone has time and passion, stuff happens. Look at how much we've already got done.
I'm currently in school and I've already got tons of projects ready for when I find the time. Maybe this will go onto the pile.
Does Chromium not owe its life to KDE KHTML? Konqueror.
@craig baited
Because of different functionalities and the way particular web pages behave, I advise to use more than one web browser simultaneously, as long as your ram memory allows it. Personally I use Firefox, Chromium, Vivaldi, Tor browser and Waterfox, being Firefox the browser I use more often.
my bro is using Tor, nice :-P me too xP
What I have noticed in this short comparison that these Chromium based browsers are kinda having slower performances the more bloat they have.
I used to love Opera long long time ago. But they have changed and especially what bugs me the ownership of that company. Right now I am using Vivaldi with medium setup - both at home and at work. I really like stack tabs feature and it helps me immensely (especially with Jira). Also quick translation pane is also needed as a software developer I often work with foreign languages which I don't know - so it comes handy. I also like the download management - it used to be like that in Opera as well and I like it that way. Mail client - no I am not using that. I got used to web based emails so having any form of a mail client is sort of wasting space and time on my PC (apart from work where we must use Outlook).
All in all, Browsers are VERY personal choice and performance is not always the key factor here.
You forgot Falkon. Webkit based, QT based, fits nicely into your KDE desktop.
I think it’s not maintained anymore
Yup, Falkon hasn't had a new release since March 2019. It's not a viable choice.
@@Wazhai Update (from later than that comment): Falkon 3.2.0 was released on January 31, 2022.
I quit Firefox early this year for multiple reasons. Using Brave now.
PaleMoon looks great, love the retro UI vibe! Not sure why people diss the XP GUI style so much. It worked perfectly then, and works great now as long as you familiarize yourself and are having fun!
Even if it's slower on Linux, I keep using Firefox because none of the Chromium based browser manages to satisfy me (despite being faster)
I had to stop watching at 3:25 when you started stating that Mozilla did not preach censorship and that everyone stating they did were liars. What is clear there is that you are ignoring the Tweets made by the company leadership that called for actual censorship. And because of that, you have lept into the category of passing false information. If you would have kept out the political crap, you would have been fine.
Oh no what will I do now? How will I ever « be fine » again?
@@TheLinuxEXP Lol.. Now that is the spirit! Keep things light and politics sh*t out as it is to I heavy.
pale moon is fucking awesome btw. it is absolutely Windows XP territory in the best way ever. it is unbelievably customizable; you can make it look absolutely any way you would like through your super impressive themeing capabilities. it is my primary browser and i love it to death. lame as hell how you skipped it so fast.
I also tried using alternative browsers several times, but in the end I gave up on this idea. In theory, they all promise better privacy, speed, and so on. In reality, you never know what will not work there. They are made by small teams of developers who simply cannot make a good enough product of such complexity. Moreover, they can suddenly stop development and abandon the project (this has already happened several times). So I decided for myself that telemetry and other unpleasant things in firefox are not so terrible, but at least everything works and there is confidence that it will continue to work.
I’ve been using Opera cross platform for many years now, always liked the smooth performance and it not being a hog in RAM usage. It may have some added features, but they are easily ignored and don’t hurt performance 1 bit.
I’ve also tried Firefox, but never liked the memory usage and responsiveness of it
I went through a phase where I tried several browsers and spent a few weeks with each. Opera won. I love 'my flow'. I love that on the desktop version that I can trick it into playing a gif instead of a stagnant picture on the 'speed dial' page. I love the quick access to specific websites on the 'speed dial' on both mobile and desktop. It's a great browser. It also has a built in VPN although I never really use that.
Been jumping between browsers for almost a year and I settled with brave finally
I hate the logo but hey its the most secure and private one of all the browsers, it's been great experience for me so far
Mozilla Foundation should focus on making browser rather than proposing bogus "solutions" for non-existent "issues".
But how are they supposed to fund that browser? As an aside, mozilla's complementary services do solve a lot of real problems for me.
@@imonabudget4427 Funding a company is not your problem, it is theirs. Complementary services and acting as wannabe think-tank are not same things.
@@fikretdemir4818 you don't need to use their extra services, if you don't want to. There are people who may use it.
@@fikretdemir4818 it is definitely your problem if you expect to get a cutting edge, performant and compatible browser. Mozilla is an NGO, but it's extremely costly to maintain a competitive browser especially with the fast pace of web standards.
@@superagucova Of course I will expect a good browser from the company that mainly focused on browser, just like you expect good meal from a restaurant. Funding is not my problem.
I will also stick to Firefox, I do not have any important issues with it and, for me, Firefox's speed it more than enough.
I think the "lack" of speed in Firefox compared to other browers is a hopelessly overblown issue. I bet 99 percent of users wouldn't notice a difference in their daily usage from one browser to the other.
@@stephanhuebner4931 Exactly! Also, the Latest 94 version is dramatically super smooth somehow. I don't think there is any noticeable difference as compared to Chrome. Reason for this is Firefox moved to a newer and better GUI framework - EGL, instead of old OpenGL, for all platforms. It does need a supported graphics for that. Nvidia's latest graphics driver 470.82.00 started to support EGL's 'EGL_NV_robustness_video_memory_purge' extension that is used by Firefox. I am just supper happy with Firefox.
Edit: my bad, It's, "...EGL, instead of old GLX..".
i love firefox on dekstop, but not when it comes to the laptop, because doesn't have native capabilites for back and next the page using touchpad gestures.
I don't care about how a browser fits into my linux desktop, I want security, privacy, and good plugins/addons. Looks like Waterfox is a good alternative to Firefox. I would never use Microsoft Edge, even on Windows. I have to use Chrome at work, but would never use it at home.
I've used waterfox for years and I really like it. I'm a Windows 10 user. never had any problem with waterfox.
@@michaelhoule2134 Loved Waterfox on my 10 yr old laptop that finally kicked the bucket a month ago. Lost my Win7 with it, too.
LibreWolf also would seem like something to consider
@@jacksonmontoya1687 I also use LibreWolf.
I would add that recently Waterfox broke on Linux. Something got updated which prevented Waterfox from working on two different PCs, with two different Linux distros. I reinstalled on both to get it working, one time was using the Flatpak version and then having to copy old settings to new profile.
This is like: I want to pick a wife,
but I want her dress and makeup to match the color scheme of my house,
I don't want her to know how to do too many things, and
I'm concerned about how much will she gossip about me to her family
😂.
BTW I stick with brave for now...
So basically the perfect solution is someone pretty, very good at housework but nothing else and always keep her mouth shut
Sooo, she's a conservative? Those exist.
@@Mikesco3 Good choice but without universal bypass i cant use it.
If you think a browser is like a wife, you have issues way beyond this video. ;-)
Interesting choice 🤔 I’ll stick with Firefox for as long as possible, been using it since back when it was still called Phoenix/Firebird. But some recent developments at Mozilla are indeed concerning, still we need diversity on the Browser market and unfortunately it’s looking more and more like either Chrome or bust…Microsoft’s decision to also throw in with Chromium was probably the nail in the coffin since suddenly the default browser of Windows no longer sucks donkey balls 🤩
I loved the first iteration of Edge which was supposedly using an "all new microsoft rendering engine" but mysteriously had all the same bugs and problems that the ancient IE had. And then with little fanfare it was suddenly chromium based
Funny, we need diversity in the browser market but Mozilla is opposed to diversity of thought.
Wait ... Wasn't it its previous name Netscape Navigator?
@@bizarrrre Yes, and that ended at version 9. It also had the Messenger email program which was one of the best till Thunderbird came along, but Messenger had one fatal flaw, in that it would ONLY open links in email msgs into the Netscape browser. To open a link in an email msg into another browser, required to copy the link and then paste into the second browser. That's why I finally quit Netscape during version 7.
Hehehe. Browsers aren't merely browsers anymore. They're mini-OS in themselves. Thanks to Chromium for that. It's still risky to give all the crucial settings to a browser--you never know when a bad actor gets complete control over your device just because one feature in the setting page was vulnerable.
Bring back Netscape! We want a browser, and not a mini-OS!
I'm keeping Firefox despite all. Because I can still disable telemetry, and in mobile I can use add-ons, like uBlock and more. I'm using Brave on mobile, but some features doesn't manage to connect properly with Android.
So I think I'll get back to Chrome Mobile.
I'm never moving away from Firefox as it is the only one that has all the features I need and isn't controlled by Google. I also have liked the mobile Firefox ever since the big update drastically improved performance.
Problem with the Firefox is that sometimes it's not rendering in an intended way as developer of the site never tested it with the Firefox. It's rare, but it happens. This is the main reason I've switched to the Edge long ago (after it moved to Chromium).
The "thought you'd say I'm moving from Firefox to Firefox" comments are what I was thinking to, having considered this in the past I've found it hard to justify moving away from Firefox, though if I did it would even with all its faults be to Epiphany, so did think you'd land on that. On a tangent I'm interested you didn't go along with the Brave hype, I've never understood that hype myself, it always comes across as unnecessarily bloated and the crypto integration has the air of a ponzi/scam scheme about it, don't understand why that's viewed as a positive rather than a massive alarm bell.
I dunno, I'm not into crypto stuff myself but I don't think crypto automatically equals scam. some people think it can enable a more democratic economy. then there's stuff like Odysee/LBRY which seems to be more about creating online spaces away from big tech. it aligns with some of the goals that are prevalent in the FOSS community. not saying crypto is all good but it seems to me that it depends on how it's designed and applied
tbf Brave is not anymore bloated than firefox, using both, isn't hard to stop all the crypto stuff, and best privacy configured browser out of the box (though kinda impossible to harden like firefox).
Epiphany looks beautiful and is WebKit based. However, why doesn't it support gnome extensions?!
Extension support is coming :)
@@TheLinuxEXP now that, would be interesting :)
So Waterfox solved the exact problems you identified but you decided NOT to choose it because it didn't feel like you changed browsers ... ? That's so dumb lol
Dumb, or a personal choice?
@@TheLinuxEXP Wasn't expecting a reply haha. Sure it's a personal choice but this is a video aimed at the public, and with the titling of the video I assumed the browser you would have chosen would be the one you would have recommended to others (us the public). So from my POV it seemed silly not to choose Waterfox based on the issues you had with Firefox that you outlined in the start of the video.
Use Vivaldi myself, I probably don't use 80% of the features but they don't get in the way either.
vivaldi is my personal favorite. It can be as simple, or as feature packed as you want. And at this point I don't think I can go without tab stack feature.
The problem is who gets to dictate what is "factual" and what is "misinformation". We all know the game is rigged, so we don't need more power and leverage getting thrown into the pot to make things even more one sided.
Facts are facts. There is no need for someone to decide on them.
@@TheLinuxEXP You can tell a lie just by saying things that are "technically" facts and by simply NOT taking into account the overall context - actually, that's how the best lies get told (oftentimes by mainstream media) and are believed by people. You don't just 100% fabricate a news. This is silly, this is like level 2 on misinforming people.
If you really want to fool people you give them bits of truths, that are facts, and disregard the full context and other bits of truths that could conflict with the narrative you want to push forward.
I mean, according to North Korea until sometime ago, there was zero COVID cases there. It was a fact that the North Korean government said that, no question here. It was an official statement. If one listen to this news, and somehow they never heard about North Korea - and don't know anything about how their government isn't transparent - they just know it is an official information issued by the government of a country, they might as well believe that the information was real and was a fair representation of reality.
In the end, "facts" mean very little, because most people simply don't have time to really dig in and do their own research and get all the other facts they would need and that mainstream media won't tell them. So in most of the time, 90% of people rely on a resumed version of what happened, and therefore you end up relying on someone to analyze the whole thing and to tell it to you.
And can a person really trust those media outlets?
@@TheLinuxEXP You're missing the point entirely. Yes, facts are facts and there's only one truth - What websites and these internet companies choose to publish, or how they choose to moderate user speech on their platforms by what they consider "misinformation" is something completely different however.
> proven misinformation
As determined by whom? That's the problem with Mozilla's "suggestions".
Re: The Mozilla Censorship Thing... They didn't condemn censorship in the post, and pushed the false narrative of what happened on Jan 6. That shows where they stand. It's the one thing that will probably make me switch at some point.
It IS the thing that made me switch
@@Ju5t1nTa1z3n where did you go? I'll probably go back to brave now that it supports my needs on mobile (although night mode is a little buggier than dark reader).
I'm a Vivaldi user, mostly for the tabs management features both on desktop and mobile. It's unfortunate that it isn't open source though :/
We can only hope the Devs make it open source in the future. But yeah, the tab groups are soo good
i don't understand, there are online firefox themes that are css and can totally transform firefox's ui in every way. Theres a ton of vertical firefox tab themes and if you know how to code, you can tune it exactly
@@luider8795 it's not a theme thing, I cannot care less about themes, it's about tab management functionalities that Firefox doesn't have
ETA: if you meant extensions, there maybe extensions that grant Firefox part of these functionalities, but personally I find them too unreliable
@@giacomomontanari4985 Im talking about firefox css themes which are custom made css profiles that change firefoxs ui. Alot of them change how firefox works, ie vertical tabs, new hotkeys, and single line website tab hooks
"Another alternative"?
* AN alternative.
You are absolutely wrong about Firefox, as a developer I wanna say Firefox has everything I need:
1. Built-in proxy. No other browser has this feature. We are testing our platforms and we need to record everything regarding the back-end. We need all traffic to pass through a specific app. If you are in a call, or chatting on the WEB all other browsers has a system-wide proxy and this cut all other communications until you finish your job. Imagine going back and forth, open/close system proxy to have all traffic proxied through an app and also turn communications on with your team. Nightmare!
2. Firefox has the BEST developer tools out there. When inspecting elements on a heavy CSS dependent website, every other browser will stuck for a minute, or stuck entirely. Firefox never hangs on these situations.
3. When wanna find infinite scroll list on the list with elements, Firefox has developer tools that can auto update the height of a changing element. No other browser has this function. All browser in developer tools will stay with the initial value.
There are many many more I wanna add, but just bear in mind, Firefox not dying. It's used in many cases, just other than yours ;)
The reason why I am *stuck to firefox is "containers"* . No other browser delivers this I guess. Not only Google but many websites like facebook and so many very infamous websites are there for just same thing(tracking). With Extensions like No Script , Duck Duck Go and Ad blockers I guess nothing else can serve me better privacy.
Wow, going for a Browser that makes no bones about tracking you seems kind of weird. Firefox v128 seems to also turn on Tracking Automatically, but you can still turn it off.
LibreWolf is my absolute favourite Firefox-based Non-Chrome browser. It's just perfect.
I don't think it's a long-term solution though. As mainline Firefox development dries up, so will its derivatives.
@@RalphInRalphWorld Isn't that the point of FOSS? That anybody can contribute good, clean code for the benefit of everyone using the software, so that it never truly "dies"?
I find the idea of relying purely/solely on an upstream corporation with a profit incentive to maintain free software to be utterly horrifying
@@clocked0 I agree in theory. The issue is that web standards are a moving target, and maintaining browsers requires a lot of dedicated engineers.
I am not convinced that a rag-tag team of skilled volunteers can substitute Firefox's resources and keep such a large project up to date.
I'd love to be proven wrong. I really do, but I don't think it will happen.