Yes you can. You can shift through the gears when it's turned off, which would be the equivalent of not pedaling on a bicycle (ie, no power). This is literally a gearbox straight up copied from motorcycles. @@yamkaw346
You wish. Ive had my bikes whole chain and shifting redone last summer with high quality shimano parts and after like 5 days of snowfall this year the chain is done for and theres surface rust on the rest as well
@@D3nn1sbud I live in Toronto Canada 😂it's freezing here And none of my bikes chains ruin During the snowfall and i keep them outside buy your bike from a cold country
My "cheapo" Chinese hub drive 52v 1500w basic ebike has done me over 5500 miles, and the only thing that has needed replacing has been brake pads. It's not as good looking at this bikemin the video, but the maintenance is _SOOOOO_ simple I love it.
Boomer, age 72, still recall my 24" bike cobbled together from parts in the 50s. I learned to take apart the Bendix rear brake, and had a lot of fun getting up to speed then skidding on the rear tire to throw gravel on the rich kids with their pristine banana-saddle Sting Ray bikes. Then I bought a five speed Schwinn, because it was my own money and why spend the extra ten bucks for five more gears? But in my 50s I discovered the fun of Goodwill bikes in no-rust AZ, building them up, switching from 7 to 10 speed, improving wheels, tires, brakes, then re-selling them to the exercise generation behind me. Eventually sold my shop full of bikes to a guy who wanted a new hobby. Sadly, though I still have two nice bikes, old age caught up to me and no more 30-40 mile rides for me.
Tbh its not affordable but it's more reliable and super easy to maintain, pinion usually just needs a little oil switch after some time but you don't even need to do that if you're super lazy, and the gears won't get wet or dirty cuz its one closed system. And the lack of a chain makes it even more reliable
I've been riding motorcycles for years. From little 2 strokes to GSXR 750's and everything in between. My eBike is way more fun, costs almost nothing to operate, doesn't smell and is quicker (at least up to about 40km/h). AND, it takes way more skill to ride (bicycles are way too light to be going +70km/h) Motorcycles have about 100 years of technology and research behind them. eBikes have about 10 and in another 10 they will totally eclipse anything motorcycles have to offer. I'm flying to Vancouver this weekend and my eBike is coming as my checked bag. Have you ever flown commercially and brought a motorcycle with you as baggage? lol, if you ride or have ridden you've got to check out some of these high powered eBikes. And trust me, once these motors are paired with gearboxes it's going to be another level of fun. Electrics are already to the point where >250cc motorcycles can easily be replaced.
And then the planet cries when it ends up another piece of e waste in a landfill. Meanwhile, a 100 year old bike still works fine and can be maintained by the owner. But that's "progress" for you.
@@Smurphenstein That's not how any of it works. You basically have no idea what you are talking about. A 100 year old bike doesn't work. For a road rider running 300km a week that's over 6000km yearly they will go through probably an entire drive train and 3 sets of chains... 1 year... For me with an eMTB I went through 3 derailleurs and 3 hangers last year alone because they break... They don't wear out they get broken before getting even close to that point...
This is a game changer, belt drive and 12 speed with almost zero maintenance, plus auto shift down as a bonus, this is the shake up for all the other motor manufacturers that was needed, good job Pinion
Finally, a bike that when it breaks I have to take it to a mechanic because I can no longer fix it myself *This is a Joke (For all the “too cool for school” among us..)
Electric bike technology such as rear hub motors and crank case motors have been around in Europe and Asia for decades. The technology is simple and reliable. The electric motor and battery part generally don’t break down much at all. Besides that the rest of the bike is all general bike maintenance. I own two rad power rad rovers which are over 5 years old. Both have had absolutely no maintenance issues be it the electrical system or the general bike.
@@Playingwithproxieslike most car manufacturers, the makers of these will deliberately design in flaws that require parts and maintenance. Theres alot of money in it for them. Repairs will be expensive and if you have a £10k bike you have no option but to fix it!!
@@dsp4392 I grew-up and got a car, though I still ride bikes on occasion, just not my own or on a regular basis, but yeah if I was given one I would definitely like and ride it!
As an American who ONLY DRIVES MANUAL, I got a laugh out of this 😂😂😂 I don't understand why more people don't drive standard. It lasts so much longer (assuming you know what you're doing)
It won"t. The production costs cannot be lowered to the point that most people would be able to afford it. Next to this, people will continue to enjoy putting their muscles and brains to work when riding a bicycle. And just as with Rohloff, I'm sure it is very sturdy and reliable, but in that rare occasion that it breaks, it breaks bad, very bad.
People are getting too lazy to use their own bodies for power. I hate this trend. I've got a couple of hand me down bikes, a Razor, and a Knowped. It takes more work than an ebike, but I can still go for miles with my fleet and bring back groceries with an old backpack. Also, repairs can be done anywhere with a Crescent wrench and some Allens, and parts cost almost nothing! :3
I had tumb shift 35 years ago. From one end to the other without any issues. All the grip shift like shifters (if you grip it right) can be shift all the way. My Rohloff almost also can do (but too much rotation needed to go all the way :-D ) without need to be clicking away like a gamer on a mouse on a shooters game.
Yeah but that chain had to be guarded since it's gonna grind the cogs razor sharp and when your pants get caught in it it shreds them. Derailleurs are for that guy with a 1968 Jaguar that he loves to work on: Adjusting the points and valves every month. Changing the copper spark plugs every 6 months. Derailleurs are the bronze age of cycling, the only two more primitive technologies are penny-farthings and pneumatic tires, which are still useful. I have a standard Pinion C1.2 gearbox and it's the industrial age for cycling FINALLY. No more cables to adjust, no more cogs that get sharpened by the grinding compound that chains make out of the oil and dirt mix, and with the Gates belt drive, a drivetrain that needs no maintenance for 7000+ miles. I'm NEVER going back to derailleurs.
I’ve actually thought that before. It’s more common than you think. Biking in cities like New York you needed to be able to shift quickly. Unless you were riding a fixed gear. Which I didn’t.
I have. Tried shifting down while going up a hill. The chain didn’t want to get off the big gear, let alone onto the smaller one. Had to really push until I gave up and walked it up the rest of the way
tbf I mean just using a bicycle at all is enough to not be obese. The really embarrassing part about the obesity epidemic is just how preventable it is. All we have to do is design infrastructure so that people will want to go outside.
Bro, even carmakers are dumping dual clutches. Turns out plain old torque converters are simpler, more reliable, and work better when the transmission computer is programmed right.
@@kayzrx8 : Automatic transmissions for bicycles have existed for decades. They use centrifugal weights on the rear wheel to operate the derailleur cable. The actual benefit of this setup is...debatable.
You know let's take some time to appreciate the ingenuity and engineering behind copy paste auto field. So, I'm not spending that much on a bike, it's a bike, and the end of the day.
You don't need a license to travel. Only if you're using the motorcycle and roadways for commerce. Driving and traveling are 2 different things. Look up the legalese definition for both and compare yourself. We have the god given right to travel. No one can take that from us.
That gear box looks very strong , but I think a two or three speed would work fine Nice looking bike also . I built a mid drive bike and used a archer three speed hub , so much fun to shift without a clutch , but required too much maintenance for my liking , I modified the hub to use stronger cartridge bearings but the other parts aren't designed to handle much power like 2000w . The hub is made for pedal power .
Shit, my bike is in the garage. They are still trying to figure out what is the problem with 2nd and 4th gear when temperature is over 30°C and battery is under 42%
I never understood why these ebikes had transmissions. My experience with motors is that with the right motor, you have basically infinite torque at zero speed. That's why there is no transmission in pure EV's. There is no power band. What would be much better and less complicated is a properly designed motor and controller, which takes up less space and weight than all those gears do. Set the gearing at a fixed midpoint, and choose a motor with enough balls to turn the wheels. Max speed of the motor is dependent on voltage, so if you want speed, prefer stacks of batteries in series. If you want torque, stack the batteries in parallel. If you want both, design a battery pack that can efficiently switch between series and parallel combinations of the cells. That's where this stuff should be headed. Away from gears.
Because in mtb land there is still a large range in torque requirements. And because big electric motors are heavy. And you still need that transmission anyway because of human power inputs. Because it isn't a motorcycle
These are not e-bikes. They're belt driven pedal powered with this insanely complicated gear box believe it or not. They're actually awesome for long distance bicycle touring, bikepacking, and stuff like that with all the up and down through mountains and such. They ride nice, and the whole quick shifting and stationary shifting stuff is more a mountain bike sell point. Sometimes you get part ways up a steep incline where you'd slow quickly and surely eat shit on a regular bike if you didn't manage to downshift enough in time, with this you can just bang it down to a easier to pedal gear and stay upright without a busted up ass and face. They have derailleurs that are powered electrically too that are popular with some mountain bikers too because it's one less cable to worry about maintaining, breakage, or getting hung up somewhere. For the money these people buying these would be ultimately spending in the end, they would certainly be paying for a motorcycle, a nice fast motorcycle at that. If I'm going to spend that much money, I am going to need a little left over to buy some gas because I'm not about to spend that much to do all the work....lmao. These gearboxes though, I hear it's insane how easily they pedal compared to a standard bicycle set up. They may have some e-bikes out there with something similar, but this actually is a pedal bike thing.
it's been around for ages and will definitely not become standard, it's way too expensive for the common bike, I live in the netherlands, a country with more bicycles than people, and a pinion gearbox costs more than the average bicycle
Stationary ahifting is nice from a commuter perspective. If you have to etop suddenly starting from a high gear is annoying. It's also nice for technical climbing qhile doing MTB. This actually solvws problems unlike Eagle Transmission that replaced solved prolems eith new ones.
???? this is the most strangely myopic take I've ever heard about these, e-bikes are car replacements not workout machines. "Remember, no matter how much you spend on your car, you could fred flinstone it to work if you were in better shape" like you are not comprehending who is buying these. It's not bikers.
i feel like they're ignoring the fact that a much better invention came along about 100 years ago... like, you do realize you don't even have to pedal, right???
I like it and solves quite a few issues with drivetrain and ease of maintenance. It does seem a bit on the noisy side. Seems e-bikes are evolving into motorcycles as far as the tech
I think it’s the natural progression, e-bikes have basically 3 categorical usage cases now. Toys for things like mountain bikers who normally are just looking for “assistance” so these are normally just a bike that happens to have a mid drive motor and battery built into the frame, normally like 750w max and still quite light. joy riders this ranges from people taking nice little strolls on low power 350-1000w bikes or the people riding things like modified razor scooters, normally these are people not using it for any real transportation so comfort, extensive features, storage, etc are non existent Lastly people who use it as their main transportation or like 90% of the time this is where you get to cargo bikes, moped styles, dirtbike ish and such being quite common. Now yes some of these categories blend for each person but these are the main separations I’ve noticed And with the majority being the actual lifestyle riders, them needing to be more and more powerful, comfortable, and feature dense is climbing.
I use my e-bike as my car. So…when I ride I’m not out for a joyride on my 2000 dollar e-bike When I’m coming home from my 8 hour shift at work I’m on my way home I’m not out for a joyride If I wanted a bicycle just for the trails I would have gotten an e-bike lol But I go over 6 miles each day I don’t see the point in paying 10,000 bucks on a car and I use it for the same thing lol I’m no bill gates I can’t afford to drive a bmw everywhere lol But I can easily afford to drive my e-bike everywhere
NOTHING is no maintenance... Especially these days, we live in a throw away world. Wait, maybe it is no maintenance. Just toss it and put a new one in. I stand corrected
My eagle xx1 grip shift shifts faster than that. But the system also gets dirty in the dirt and mud and road salt ain’t too good for it. Internal gears that are as stong and efficient and almost as light will be pretty amazing
Let us know when you have designed, engineered, prototyped, industrialized, produced, marketed and sold a cheaper and functionally at least equal alternative. O yeah, and don’t forget the whole supply chain thingy. And investments, loans and financials. Looking forward to it!
Idk, as far as I've seen they seem fairly normally priced in the higher end of the e-bike market. Of course you won't find this on the low end, but all things considered, it doesn't seem overpriced.
@@Kleinduimpje A product can be designed and built yet be too expensive for the marketplace. I think the price is $2500 usd and that shouldn’t be too much, bikers seem to have deep pockets.
I have a broken unit with a damaged hall sensor coming in next weekend . The clutches are noisy according to the owner . They shifted while powered down and pedalling very hard which can damage them .
well on my downhill bike i changed at least 4 rear deraileurs last 2 years (first was XTR, then i got an XT and last 2 were Deore because of more cost savings), so to be honest a service maintenance for gears like this is still more revolutionary considering there is no rear deraileur to get snatched broken in rocks, roots or lower three branches..
@@cartoonbnw660 I was born outside Romania and i kept my user name after first names given from mom.. Since i understand Romanian language a little also tanks to of her and out of respect for Romanian people i responded to you but i can not reply to you in Romanian language since i don't know the writing, spelling words i did not do any grammar lesson.. Regarding the broken rear deraileurs is unfortunate but it happens specially on Swiss alps where i mostly use my mtb, lucky escaped 2 times with no injuries.. I wish Safe riding to you on your bike !
@@poplaurentiu4148Given that most derailleurs will last much longer than this your heavy use might be far too much for a gearbox that is sensitive to high input load. This had better have a good warranty.
At least you don’t need a license to ride a bike! Fun fact, you can actually be charged with DUI for riding a bike while under the influence in many states!
Looks expensive, but is really the ideal setup (barring a Kardan shaft). People like to pedal at a pretty narrow rpm range, and the e-motor also would like to operate within a more narrow range. And you don't have a derailleur or motor out in the sand, salt, water, mud, etc.
Next step double clutch transmission for ebikes. 😅
wait, ive seen this before somewhere 🤔
There's already bikes with flywheels, so double clutch would be nice
Or cvt :)
I think honda does this with their motorbikes already
Insane
That's the sound of Printing a receipt in 1994
holy shit thats where all these printers went
also in 2023 when you buy this thing 😁
That’s the sound of printing a receipt in every year including the present
😂
@enriqueamaya3883 I will sue
this is what i've been growing my kidneys for.
Can we meet in Tijuana! Lol
I eat kidneys for breakfast.....with potatoes
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
it's ripe for the harvest
It is harvest time
Laying on the sofa, unemployed, I was thinking about this. Glad someone made it.
😎🌯👍
At last someone like me
We all like you
@@c.viewer9800speak for yourself jimbo
@@c.viewer9800chair 😎
You can even shift while stationary if you don't feel like riding that day.
😂😂😂😂to funny😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
Hilarious
Kinda beat the purpose though😂
My regular bike allowed me to also change gears while stationary ... too 😅...
My man just discovered motorcycle transmissions.
haha right? lol
Thats like 5 times faster than basic motorcycle gearbox
@@007oskariyup
Can’t shift through a motorcycle gearbox will stationary
Yes you can. You can shift through the gears when it's turned off, which would be the equivalent of not pedaling on a bicycle (ie, no power). This is literally a gearbox straight up copied from motorcycles. @@yamkaw346
1960s shifter: “Hurry up, man!” And still going strong, without anything more than a few cable re-greasings.
You wish. Ive had my bikes whole chain and shifting redone last summer with high quality shimano parts and after like 5 days of snowfall this year the chain is done for and theres surface rust on the rest as well
Suree
@@D3nn1s were you riding on salted roads? (Southern guy question)
@@PokeyCottons yeah but really not that much tbh. My bike is in a bike stand but its outside as well, probably not helping things much
@@D3nn1sbud I live in Toronto Canada 😂it's freezing here And none of my bikes chains ruin During the snowfall and i keep them outside buy your bike from a cold country
Plus it enables your bike to fly, which is an underrated feature. ET moment.
HAHAAHA ET MOMENT AHAHAH
Next step, tinted electric windows
😂😂😂😂😂
Back in my day, we rode our single speeds through the snow back n forth and bread was only a nickel…and we were just fine!
Ok boomer
@@Computedmoon707 get off my lawn!
I'm on your lawn 😼
@@jadensafford2894 im callin Matlock!
@@Computedmoon707why are ppl dicks to the baby-boomer gen? They did shit the hard way and men were not encouraged to wear dresses!
The price 💀
The maintenance 💀
My "cheapo" Chinese hub drive 52v 1500w basic ebike has done me over 5500 miles, and the only thing that has needed replacing has been brake pads.
It's not as good looking at this bikemin the video, but the maintenance is _SOOOOO_ simple
I love it.
@@NiSiochainGanSaoirse if you have to change a gear inside, the "maintenance" will be not "soooo easy"
@@NiSiochainGanSaoirsemy "cheapo" chinese 60v 1000w basic three ebike has done over 5500 miles without a need of maintenance
The whole point of this unit is that it requires practically 0 maintenance.
@@NiSiochainGanSaoirse woh 5500 miles 🤡👍🏻
“Can’t go bruh, gotta charge my transmission”
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Can't wait to blow out the transmission in my bike
And have it cost just a much as a car transmission to repair lol
So true! Better stay on your couch and don't try anything fun!
Surprisingly my mind remains unblown.
OK fat boy
😂😂😂
😂😂😂
Not surprising at all
Yeah.. it's an auto transmission for a bike.. how is that surprising?
Boomer, age 72, still recall my 24" bike cobbled together from parts in the 50s. I learned to take apart the Bendix rear brake, and had a lot of fun getting up to speed then skidding on the rear tire to throw gravel on the rich kids with their pristine banana-saddle Sting Ray bikes. Then I bought a five speed Schwinn, because it was my own money and why spend the extra ten bucks for five more gears? But in my 50s I discovered the fun of Goodwill bikes in no-rust AZ, building them up, switching from 7 to 10 speed, improving wheels, tires, brakes, then re-selling them to the exercise generation behind me. Eventually sold my shop full of bikes to a guy who wanted a new hobby. Sadly, though I still have two nice bikes, old age caught up to me and no more 30-40 mile rides for me.
Get an ebike
Time for a motorcycle
Banana saddle Sting Ray that I inherited briefly was beyond uncomfortable, and dangerous at speed with the ape hangers
You sound like an angry man.
Get a horse and buggy
...car manufacturers watching and taking notes
Sounds reliable, affordable and easy to maintain 😂😂
Tbh its not affordable but it's more reliable and super easy to maintain, pinion usually just needs a little oil switch after some time but you don't even need to do that if you're super lazy, and the gears won't get wet or dirty cuz its one closed system. And the lack of a chain makes it even more reliable
That's why pinion is often used by world or long travellers
@@Rainb0y2koldI believe he was being sarcastic my dude 😂 of course it’s going to be high maintenance af lol
@@Rainb0y2koldthanks for these explanations ! It's just astonishing to me that nowadays bikes have car-tier gearboxes, with electronic controls 🤣
No sarcasm there😂
The hoops you guys go through to avoid getting a motorcycle😂
yep..i mean..whats the point of this? its basically a moped.
I was thinking the same thing!!
@@francispecson319two words: registration and insurance
Especially at the price point on half of these bikes. $5000-8000 for a a hybrid bicycle or for the same price get a motorcycle
I've been riding motorcycles for years. From little 2 strokes to GSXR 750's and everything in between. My eBike is way more fun, costs almost nothing to operate, doesn't smell and is quicker (at least up to about 40km/h). AND, it takes way more skill to ride (bicycles are way too light to be going +70km/h) Motorcycles have about 100 years of technology and research behind them. eBikes have about 10 and in another 10 they will totally eclipse anything motorcycles have to offer. I'm flying to Vancouver this weekend and my eBike is coming as my checked bag. Have you ever flown commercially and brought a motorcycle with you as baggage? lol, if you ride or have ridden you've got to check out some of these high powered eBikes. And trust me, once these motors are paired with gearboxes it's going to be another level of fun. Electrics are already to the point where >250cc motorcycles can easily be replaced.
Back in my day, we had to walk to school uphill, both ways.
😂
And the hill was on fire in the middle of a blizzard
"While walking even bare foot, and my other foot was selling rice!"
-Steven He
back in my day at least a dozen different people would post the same stupid joke on a TH-cam video's comments
LOL!
Looks a hell of a lot like a transfer case with an internal motor drive . Nice piece
Then, it breaks. And you cry. Your wallet cries.
If you have the kind of money to spend on stuff like this, money isn't the problem lol
@@SavingPrivateBobExactly.
Last year I broke 3 derailleurs and bent 3 hangers on an ebike... Not going to happen with a gearbox.
And then the planet cries when it ends up another piece of e waste in a landfill. Meanwhile, a 100 year old bike still works fine and can be maintained by the owner. But that's "progress" for you.
@@Smurphenstein That's not how any of it works. You basically have no idea what you are talking about. A 100 year old bike doesn't work. For a road rider running 300km a week that's over 6000km yearly they will go through probably an entire drive train and 3 sets of chains... 1 year...
For me with an eMTB I went through 3 derailleurs and 3 hangers last year alone because they break... They don't wear out they get broken before getting even close to that point...
This is a game changer, belt drive and 12 speed with almost zero maintenance, plus auto shift down as a bonus, this is the shake up for all the other motor manufacturers that was needed, good job Pinion
+ 90NM
10.000km new oil change from what I hear
Dentist bike for sure. Derailleurs and chains will be plentiful and cheap
@@redleaderone8429 Omg, this makes me wanna make a ‘your mom’-joke so bad, but I’m afraid TH-cam will punish me.
Nothing better than a Good old axs sram xx1
This is awesome..gets me thinking, maybe we should put a motor on there..? What to call it...a motorized bicycle...oh, i know, a motorcycle!
_"A motorized bicycle that whizzes by... I know! A whizzer!"_
why would your head go to motorcycle instead of the more obvious motorbike? youre taking the cycling motion away afterall..
I love it. Seen this on heavier machines, bigger builds, but tech is now lighter and smaller. Love the belt drive too
You've seen bicycle transmissions on heavier machines?😂😂😂
@@AtlasReburdenedThey have been in cargo bikes for a while
Finally, a bike that when it breaks I have to take it to a mechanic because I can no longer fix it myself
*This is a Joke
(For all the “too cool for school” among us..)
Progress!(just not for us).
Good luck finding a bike mechanic that can fix this.
Electric bike technology such as rear hub motors and crank case motors have been around in Europe and Asia for decades. The technology is simple and reliable. The electric motor and battery part generally don’t break down much at all. Besides that the rest of the bike is all general bike maintenance.
I own two rad power rad rovers which are over 5 years old. Both have had absolutely no maintenance issues be it the electrical system or the general bike.
Amen
It doesn't look like a thing that would easily break, especially considering the fully enclosed and protected housing it is placed in.
Looks like a really expensive repair waiting to happen 366 days from purchase!
i would not be surprised if that "shifter" breaks after 60 minutes
Where in the world do you only get a 12 month warranty?!!
These are very low maintenance probably won’t have a single issue for 10 years other than battery changes.
@@fearnpol4938 in the land of freedom
@@Playingwithproxieslike most car manufacturers, the makers of these will deliberately design in flaws that require parts and maintenance. Theres alot of money in it for them. Repairs will be expensive and if you have a £10k bike you have no option but to fix it!!
Awesome! PINION! You’ve done it!😃🙏👍We’ve been waiting for this for 30+ years!
Yeh brilliant ! Only cost you 10 grand aswell...😢
It’s understandable since there aren’t many options yet
How can this be 1/4 the cost of an electric car? It doesn't even have 1/4 or 1/100 of the power..
🤔
@@TheStuartstardustthe same reason you can pay 20x the price of a house for a shiny rock that came out of the ground .
@@swississue8550 Honestly, not unreasonable for the stage and availability of this tech.
Very cool, would have loved that when I was younger and still rode bikes!
Why did you stop?
@@dsp4392 I grew-up and got a car, though I still ride bikes on occasion, just not my own or on a regular basis, but yeah if I was given one I would definitely like and ride it!
young people cannot afford this... so I think the target demographic are middle aged rich dudes
Is there an automatic transmission? - asking for an American friend...! 😂😂🎉
As an American who ONLY DRIVES MANUAL, I got a laugh out of this 😂😂😂 I don't understand why more people don't drive standard. It lasts so much longer (assuming you know what you're doing)
Funny considering the popularity of scooters with automatic cvt transmissions in europe and other places. Funny how that works. 😂
@@djstatyk1540If you can't understand that's your short-sightedness not their failing.
@@ButterfatFarms allow me to give you a box of tissues
@@djstatyk1540 I drive a manual, it's no longer standard, cope. They're nothing special
As much as I love this tech I really hope it doesn't kill off fully mechanical bikes in the future. I still love to be able to repair all of my stuff
It won"t. The production costs cannot be lowered to the point that most people would be able to afford it. Next to this, people will continue to enjoy putting their muscles and brains to work when riding a bicycle. And just as with Rohloff, I'm sure it is very sturdy and reliable, but in that rare occasion that it breaks, it breaks bad, very bad.
People are getting too lazy to use their own bodies for power. I hate this trend.
I've got a couple of hand me down bikes, a Razor, and a Knowped. It takes more work than an ebike, but I can still go for miles with my fleet and bring back groceries with an old backpack.
Also, repairs can be done anywhere with a Crescent wrench and some Allens, and parts cost almost nothing! :3
You can get a non-electric version.
It'll just give people with money to burn an extra option.
$9,720 (€9k) up to $12,960 (€12k) for the pro model
This includes the bike but won’t be available in the US until 2025
WOOOOOOW 😢😢😢
I can buy a really nice motorcycle for half that lol
@@paulallen-01 or a used car...
Rohloff for me, thanks.
this is all we wanted to know
The bike looks really cool 😎
I remember I could shift several gears in one push on my bike 20 years ago.
Pfft. My bike used to shift itself based on an algorithm only it knew.
@@Punnikin1969bruh got that analog AI 😂
I had tumb shift 35 years ago. From one end to the other without any issues. All the grip shift like shifters (if you grip it right) can be shift all the way. My Rohloff almost also can do (but too much rotation needed to go all the way :-D ) without need to be clicking away like a gamer on a mouse on a shooters game.
Yeah but that chain had to be guarded since it's gonna grind the cogs razor sharp and when your pants get caught in it it shreds them.
Derailleurs are for that guy with a 1968 Jaguar that he loves to work on: Adjusting the points and valves every month. Changing the copper spark plugs every 6 months.
Derailleurs are the bronze age of cycling, the only two more primitive technologies are penny-farthings and pneumatic tires, which are still useful.
I have a standard Pinion C1.2 gearbox and it's the industrial age for cycling FINALLY. No more cables to adjust, no more cogs that get sharpened by the grinding compound that chains make out of the oil and dirt mix, and with the Gates belt drive, a drivetrain that needs no maintenance for 7000+ miles.
I'm NEVER going back to derailleurs.
@@ladamyre1how much do you get paid to post stuff like this?
At this price point, I'm just going to buy another Harley
probably go about the same speed and the same torque as a ebike 🤣
@@macauleyc64 the ebike probably has a lot of torque tbh
I mean, $9k? Without taxes, you could buy a good used one.
@@cafenightster4548they want 9k for this ????? Thts more than a car transmission
Bought my 99 fxdx for 7500 with 3800 miles fuck that e bike
Finally, something that looks more complicated than my life!
A cyclist counting how quickly he can piss off pedestrians and motorists.
Nice, hope one day someone invent a motorcycle or something like that.
We’re getting there. Patience!!!!
I'm not sure I ever thought to myself "Gosh this shift in gears is taking forever!"
Neither did it till I used sequential transmissions from early 2000s
If you're pedaling your bicycle up a steep hill and need to downshift, and your derailleur sticks, you will lose a lot of momentum.
Or "man this shifting needs to he faster and why not spend 10k on another bike".
I’ve actually thought that before. It’s more common than you think. Biking in cities like New York you needed to be able to shift quickly. Unless you were riding a fixed gear. Which I didn’t.
I have. Tried shifting down while going up a hill. The chain didn’t want to get off the big gear, let alone onto the smaller one. Had to really push until I gave up and walked it up the rest of the way
Sorry boss I can’t make it into work today. The transmission on my bicycle went out.😂
You think someone with an expensive bike like this doesnt have another 5 to ride in a pinch? lol
That is bike I need all the time 😂
Shifts gears faster than the display can show them 😂
What happens when your battery is dead?
My guess would be that the motor would shut off before the shifting turns off. The shifting only uses a tiny bit of power anyway.@@shergillfamily7983
2013: We have an obesity epidemic.
2023: Let's make the bicycles electric.
I'd want one that I could set to work on a switch. Pedal normally. Get a boost uphills.
@@AsmodeusDHare like a moped!
Don't forget the added bonus - the cheap ones catch fire really, really well.
Motivation is critical it's so cool everybody wants one
Weight capacity is 185 though 🤣
tbf I mean just using a bicycle at all is enough to not be obese. The really embarrassing part about the obesity epidemic is just how preventable it is. All we have to do is design infrastructure so that people will want to go outside.
Don't forget to put a rear end splitter on it too! And high and low for each gear!
Nice ! We are waiting this to be accessible for common mortals
Remember when lighter and simpler was a thing?
Yeah when mongoose racing and all that was the shit. Now all these systems add weight like a lancia delta S4.
Yes and it was better. So eventually they will get to a point when it's a motor cycle 😂
There's no chain, cassette, or derailer. Maybe that reduces the weight overall, who knows.
@@dannygolds5630don’t you mean weight? And no I doubt it
@@Hello_there_obi yeah thx lol
This screams 'Unnecessary' and 'Expensive' at the same time.
Both adjectives you said are personal and subjective.
Exactly.
Wait until they outlaw private motor vehicles 😮
@@Frank_inSA yep, we are 20 year away but it's definitely coming.. they'll start with big combustion engines vehicles first.
And super heavy the crap
dual clutch next 😂😂
then Automatic LOL
Bro, even carmakers are dumping dual clutches. Turns out plain old torque converters are simpler, more reliable, and work better when the transmission computer is programmed right.
@@kayzrx8 : Automatic transmissions for bicycles have existed for decades. They use centrifugal weights on the rear wheel to operate the derailleur cable. The actual benefit of this setup is...debatable.
@@deusexaethera by automatic I meant one with planetary gear sets, bands and a torque converter. Was a joke .
Then VTEC
That's pretty badass!
Looks so sweet. If the real world experience on the trail is great with good reliability, I’m sold.
The only the thing I’m not sold on is gonna be the price
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
You know let's take some time to appreciate the ingenuity and engineering behind copy paste auto field.
So, I'm not spending that much on a bike, it's a bike, and the end of the day.
@@jailbreaker79i can buy a transmission for my bicycle that is slightly better then stock or a crotch rocket capable of 190 mph
@@FedkaSlovanich On behalf of the owners and staff at your local mortuaries, please buy the latter. They have found those to be much superior.
I would’ve added Ape Hangers and called it a Barley™️
Turns out it doesnt actually change gear, just makes a loud noise 😉
What😐
Awesome as it is actually getting on the bike and riding it will be the biggest selling point.
I still remember my reaction when I learned that certain bikes had gears 😂
My man wants a bike soo badd but couldn't get a license yet 💀💀
You don't need a license to travel. Only if you're using the motorcycle and roadways for commerce. Driving and traveling are 2 different things. Look up the legalese definition for both and compare yourself. We have the god given right to travel. No one can take that from us.
A license for a bicycle?
@@bradley3549 I think he means bike as in motorcycle
I’m convinced most e-bike owners are rich guys with wives that would never like them have real motorcycles
That gear box looks very strong , but I think a two or three speed would work fine Nice looking bike also . I built a mid drive bike and used a archer three speed hub , so much fun to shift without a clutch , but required too much maintenance for my liking , I modified the hub to use stronger cartridge bearings but the other parts aren't designed to handle much power like 2000w . The hub is made for pedal power .
Has Mr Sturmey been written out of history? 😊
$$$$😮😮😮😢😢😢😢😢!!!! 😂😂
On a random Saturday, I watched this 5 times. 😊
Now headed to dual clutch & AWD 😂
😮😮😮😮 Imagine the front wheel accelerating?!
I work on these things and I can confirm it’s a pain in the arse to repair sometimes 😅
What is the brand though? Is it Pinion?
@@jonelbondyingnuezca742effigear
@@jonelbondyingnuezca742he literally says the company's name is PINION in the vid.... is your attention span seriously THIS BAD?
@njdeadtrailtrekkers4719 where in jersey r u?
@@jonelbondyingnuezca742AND he puts the FULL ITEM NAME on the screen... im blown away by this level of lazy
"Want to go biking?"
"Hold on, I gotta charge my bike to ride it"🗿
a seal of my gearbox is leaking. the bikeshop already ordered the part. i can get it relplaced next week. i am lucky, it costs only 90 bucks
Shit, my bike is in the garage. They are still trying to figure out what is the problem with 2nd and 4th gear when temperature is over 30°C and battery is under 42%
I rode a bike with this new pinion setup it’s pretty incredible
Fast shifitng is such important on e bikes😅
I never understood why these ebikes had transmissions. My experience with motors is that with the right motor, you have basically infinite torque at zero speed. That's why there is no transmission in pure EV's. There is no power band. What would be much better and less complicated is a properly designed motor and controller, which takes up less space and weight than all those gears do. Set the gearing at a fixed midpoint, and choose a motor with enough balls to turn the wheels. Max speed of the motor is dependent on voltage, so if you want speed, prefer stacks of batteries in series. If you want torque, stack the batteries in parallel. If you want both, design a battery pack that can efficiently switch between series and parallel combinations of the cells. That's where this stuff should be headed. Away from gears.
true. nice example of overengineering and making things worse.. but it justifies more money to some and people liking complicated techy stuff...
Because in mtb land there is still a large range in torque requirements.
And because big electric motors are heavy.
And you still need that transmission anyway because of human power inputs. Because it isn't a motorcycle
Well sounds like an invention is under way. Hurry up and change the world already I want this new motor you're envisioning. 👁️🛸🚀
Profound my brother , if I had the money I would fund the R&D for your perspective 👍🏾
U still have to peddle sometimes
Looks great - but how much energy is lost to heat in the gearbox? And how heavy is it?
How much does the electrical power system weigh? And what sort of actual range can be counted on? What happens if batt dies & you're 40mi from home?
OMG 😱 it blows my mind was so quick i would never imagine it's possible. OMFG 😱😱😱😱😱 .
It blow the f.. out of my mind, so quick.
Can’t wait to see how this evolves
next, they'll attach a machined apparatus that harnesses explosions to produce power.
Bicycles would soon go extinct as they evolve into Motorcycles😅🔥
Motocyclists:look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power.
These are not e-bikes. They're belt driven pedal powered with this insanely complicated gear box believe it or not. They're actually awesome for long distance bicycle touring, bikepacking, and stuff like that with all the up and down through mountains and such. They ride nice, and the whole quick shifting and stationary shifting stuff is more a mountain bike sell point. Sometimes you get part ways up a steep incline where you'd slow quickly and surely eat shit on a regular bike if you didn't manage to downshift enough in time, with this you can just bang it down to a easier to pedal gear and stay upright without a busted up ass and face. They have derailleurs that are powered electrically too that are popular with some mountain bikers too because it's one less cable to worry about maintaining, breakage, or getting hung up somewhere. For the money these people buying these would be ultimately spending in the end, they would certainly be paying for a motorcycle, a nice fast motorcycle at that. If I'm going to spend that much money, I am going to need a little left over to buy some gas because I'm not about to spend that much to do all the work....lmao. These gearboxes though, I hear it's insane how easily they pedal compared to a standard bicycle set up. They may have some e-bikes out there with something similar, but this actually is a pedal bike thing.
Blah blah blah @@chrischeetham1652
motorcyclist with no fuel:
The power to take it up and put it as a baggage anywhere:
The power to keep it in your city flat:
The power to ride in parks and on sidewalks:
He shift more quickly than the guys counting 😂
If this is reliable it is a sea change for e-bikes.
This will become standard.
Pinion is around for years. It is reliable.
@@TheIemant Also costs a left nut to acquire
probably relatively reliable, i imagine the real issue is price lol
it's been around for ages and will definitely not become standard, it's way too expensive for the common bike, I live in the netherlands, a country with more bicycles than people, and a pinion gearbox costs more than the average bicycle
Standard for whom? Not the average ebiker, that's for sure.
That thing's way more expensive than my car whole transmission 😂
Nice, the two main things I never cared about! Super fast shifting and stationary shifting 👍🏼
Stationary ahifting is nice from a commuter perspective. If you have to etop suddenly starting from a high gear is annoying. It's also nice for technical climbing qhile doing MTB.
This actually solvws problems unlike Eagle Transmission that replaced solved prolems eith new ones.
Getting mine in May. 😊
remember no matter how much you spend on your ebike its still cooler to actually be in good enough shape to pedal up
That's just like, your opinion man. The sweaty, red headed loosers I overtake every single day while riding to work don't really look that cool
Not sure if its cooler if im getting multiple laps in or going way farther than I could pedal. But hey it all fun
???? this is the most strangely myopic take I've ever heard about these, e-bikes are car replacements not workout machines.
"Remember, no matter how much you spend on your car, you could fred flinstone it to work if you were in better shape" like you are not comprehending who is buying these. It's not bikers.
well most e bikers i know are just lazy ass that can afford it with no real interest on bikes, just trend...
pedalling up on an ebike is far cooler, hardly raise a sweat in fact . .
Usually, gearbox are oil immersed to lessen wear n tear on gears during heavy loads.
Then i saw this one,
I know where this is going
Of course it has oil in the gearbox. And it will be much more reliable than a traditional cassette and chain
@@vilppuheinonen1034no because it has electronics and electric motor.
Next: How to heel toe shift with your bike
That really makes you HOT SHIFT ! 😂
Automatic gear changes compensating for load variations would be my next step.
It already does that, afaik.
At that point might as well get a motorcycle
Good point but a lot of us aren't able to ride a motorbike as freely as we are mountain bikes and these allow us to just keep riding more.
i feel like they're ignoring the fact that a much better invention came along about 100 years ago... like, you do realize you don't even have to pedal, right???
Might aswell just get one anyway, they are the same price as decent bicycles. Plus you wont look silly, piss off traffic and youll get more girls.
Some e-bikes are legit as fast as lower powered motorcycles today. Check out the Sur Ron or the Talaria models. They are sick AF
@@SamAndrew27 I am a fan of the little electric bicycles that you don't pedal if thats what your talking about.
I'm from a time where you had to put in some physical effort when going for a MTB ride. Nowadays even the shifting is done for you. Madness
You used to have to expert physical effort to change gears on your bike? 👍🤡🤡🤡
Finally, an internal transmission for a bicycle. Definitely upgrading to this after I ride out my current MTB.
I like it and solves quite a few issues with drivetrain and ease of maintenance.
It does seem a bit on the noisy side.
Seems e-bikes are evolving into motorcycles as far as the tech
I don’t think this is for an e bike correct me if I’m wrong though
@@anaboveaveragedog it is for e-bikes.
I think it’s the natural progression, e-bikes have basically 3 categorical usage cases now.
Toys for things like mountain bikers who normally are just looking for “assistance” so these are normally just a bike that happens to have a mid drive motor and battery built into the frame, normally like 750w max and still quite light.
joy riders this ranges from people taking nice little strolls on low power 350-1000w bikes or the people riding things like modified razor scooters, normally these are people not using it for any real transportation so comfort, extensive features, storage, etc are non existent
Lastly people who use it as their main transportation or like 90% of the time this is where you get to cargo bikes, moped styles, dirtbike ish and such being quite common.
Now yes some of these categories blend for each person but these are the main separations I’ve noticed
And with the majority being the actual lifestyle riders, them needing to be more and more powerful, comfortable, and feature dense is climbing.
@@galgogergook, I think pinion does make one for regular mountain bikes
I use my e-bike as my car.
So…when I ride I’m not out for a joyride on my 2000 dollar e-bike
When I’m coming home from my 8 hour shift at work
I’m on my way home I’m not out for a joyride
If I wanted a bicycle just for the trails I would have gotten an e-bike lol
But I go over 6 miles each day
I don’t see the point in paying 10,000 bucks on a car and I use it for the same thing lol
I’m no bill gates I can’t afford to drive a bmw everywhere lol
But I can easily afford to drive my e-bike everywhere
this looks amazing. they need to give more emtb gearboxes. it's probably the future considering you don't have to worry about maintenance
NOTHING is no maintenance... Especially these days, we live in a throw away world. Wait, maybe it is no maintenance. Just toss it and put a new one in. I stand corrected
Planned obsolescence
Now we have to pay another insurance vehicle is a never ending deal 😂😂😂
Wow! Now you can buy a tech savvy bike for the price of a new car! We have come a long way, everyone! Let us bask in victory!
My eagle xx1 grip shift shifts faster than that.
But the system also gets dirty in the dirt and mud and road salt ain’t too good for it. Internal gears that are as stong and efficient and almost as light will be pretty amazing
almost catching the speed of friction shifting
Cool tech. Way too expensive.
Let us know when you have designed, engineered, prototyped, industrialized, produced, marketed and sold a cheaper and functionally at least equal alternative. O yeah, and don’t forget the whole supply chain thingy. And investments, loans and financials.
Looking forward to it!
Idk, as far as I've seen they seem fairly normally priced in the higher end of the e-bike market. Of course you won't find this on the low end, but all things considered, it doesn't seem overpriced.
@@Kleinduimpje
A product can be designed and built yet be too expensive for the marketplace. I think the price is $2500 usd and that shouldn’t be too much, bikers seem to have deep pockets.
In reality. U only need 4 gears 😊
@@Kleinduimpjethe valeo is about £700
“GRANNY SHIFTING, NOT DOUBLE CLUTCHING LIKE YOU SHOULD”
I'd love to see an animation of how this works.
this!
Drove it and it’s awesome!
How much a bike with such a cool system like this would cost? That seems very expensive.
Another reason I don't miss being a bike mechanic.
I agree .... hell is right before us
Imagine starting from rest to go up a hill while in 12 gear
Asking how much it costs is like telling the salesman he's wasting his time.
its around $3000-$4000
Me on my mountain bike from Walmart crankkk. That is how you shift fast. No fancy electronics just good ole elbow grease.
Or a lil knee cap grease lol 👍
God bless the people who can afford it.
Very nice! Very cool! Now if I could just afford one that would be awesome lol🙆♂️😪
I have a broken unit with a damaged hall sensor coming in next weekend . The clutches are noisy according to the owner . They shifted while powered down and pedalling very hard which can damage them .
well on my downhill bike i changed at least 4 rear deraileurs last 2 years (first was XTR, then i got an XT and last 2 were Deore because of more cost savings), so to be honest a service maintenance for gears like this is still more revolutionary considering there is no rear deraileur to get snatched broken in rocks, roots or lower three branches..
@@poplaurentiu4148
Romanule, învață să folosești bicicleta. Shimano își face treaba .
@@cartoonbnw660 I was born outside Romania and i kept my user name after first names given from mom.. Since i understand Romanian language a little also tanks to of her and out of respect for Romanian people i responded to you but i can not reply to you in Romanian language since i don't know the writing, spelling words i did not do any grammar lesson.. Regarding the broken rear deraileurs is unfortunate but it happens specially on Swiss alps where i mostly use my mtb, lucky escaped 2 times with no injuries.. I wish Safe riding to you on your bike !
They're noisy even in the video, and being able to be damaged by hard pedaling is not an encouraging sign.
@@poplaurentiu4148Given that most derailleurs will last much longer than this your heavy use might be far too much for a gearbox that is sensitive to high input load. This had better have a good warranty.
When you got a DUI but still tryna pound some pavement
At least you don’t need a license to ride a bike! Fun fact, you can actually be charged with DUI for riding a bike while under the influence in many states!
Beautiful, finally a bicycle I won’t burn any calories while riding on.
Looks expensive, but is really the ideal setup (barring a Kardan shaft). People like to pedal at a pretty narrow rpm range, and the e-motor also would like to operate within a more narrow range. And you don't have a derailleur or motor out in the sand, salt, water, mud, etc.