Hi Nick I think your an ace presenter/teacher. Ok 3 weeks into S&T here in England until yesterday when tried it for the first time. What a powerful style first time Ever I’ve hit the ball with zero side spin. Pitching to full shots especially driver when the ball has land it’s going in a forward motion. This might sound silly but for me a new experience and that’s before we even mention distance. During lockdown I’ve been using Analyzer older version but a great piece of software so I reckon we should have a chat
I did all the same things to my swing last year. From what I've seen from many videos by many top teachers over this last year, is that you could benefit by getting your club face slightly more toe down coming into P6 - the toe is still pointed to 12 o'clock whereas most modern top pga guys seem to be closer to 12:30 - this allows them to get way more hip and shoulder turn at impact as they have squared the club earlier. Nice video.
@@NickTaylorGolf Appreciate the reply. So many great resources online for self learning - wish this was available 30 years ago. World Top 5 players Toe Position at P6 - and yet none of their swings look remotely the same. This between 12 & 12:30 slight toe down position at P6, with club head behind the hands, is something I have found incredibly important for me to achieve, while I play with my swing. If I can at least get to that position, it usually prevents other bad stuff from happening - usually. Thanks again. 1) Rory - slight toe down 2) Rahm - slight toe down 3) Koepka - slight toe down 4) Thomas - slight toe down 5) Johnson - slight toe down
@@NickTaylorGolf Cheers Nick, I have practised every day during Covid-19, I am almost 59 and hit it further than I did was I was 25. S&T helps me hit more consistently and straighter. Thx!
Great stuff mate, some very similar stuff to Tom Saguto. The new swing just looks so solid and repeatable. Can’t wait to hit the range and course when they open back up and start to nail these changes.
Thanks for taking the time to reply, I see you take the time with almost every comment, brilliant. Would love to send you my own comparison of swings in a couple of months
At this point I'm desperate, my swing is garbage. I started golfing in 2012 when I was 40 yrs old. After 4 years of playing I was a 10 index, and hit the ball pretty solid. Over the last 4 years I've gone from scoring in the low 80's and occasionally breaking 80, to now I'm having difficulty breaking 90. It's because my ball striking is terrible. I'm ready to commit to the S&T method, because if I don't do something, im gonna quit. Subscribed
trlprk Dude we have the same story. Same HCP. I did quit for 6 months. Started back with S&T and shot 82 yesterday on a Dye championship course. Give it a shot and you will fall in love with the game again. It really works and its a fast transformation
Have spent the month watching your videos and read the S&T book. I am or was 16 h/c, this will definitely change come next competitions. First outing Played 9 holes two balls in play. The ball flight has completely changed. Great feeling.😀 There is now a draw or slight draw. Bad shots have turned more into good bad ones. The cone theory is massive for me. More confident in finding the fairway. A great course management tool. Will never go back to trying to get behind the ball and time the down swing shifting left. Too much was going wrong with that. 1 ball was 3 over for 9, the other 5.
Nick Taylor Golf only allowed to play solo and only 9 holes. Hit some shots today that left me with a fuzzy feeling. Will let you know how it develops.
Great video again Nick. After starting to follow your friday golf tips a long time my golf has got a lot better. Reached 9,5 i hcp last year and has my sight for reaching 8 in hcp and play consistent at that level this year. The courses have started to be open here in Norway so the season is under way🏌️🏌️🏌️ Keep up the good work and stay safe👍
Hi Nick great video describing changes you made to stack and tilt, do you think a 59 year old man 10 handicap playing fo 30 years could change also. Dabbled with stack and tilt before but never stuck to it. During these times been hitting balls into a net using stack and tilt with some good results (only distance club head speed and smash available to me)so don't really know where they are going backswing positions feel easy enough not sure if I'm supple enough on downswing movements Steve Benham
I agree with Nick its never to late mate I'm a little younger than your self 49 and have been using this system the last few year's and I've become much more consistent and I'd say I've a long way to go to still to go but great results so far.find a S&T instructor and watch Nick's back catalogue of videos you can't go wrong.
Brilliant video again Nick, the work you’re doing from ‘lockdown’ is just as great as your other stuff and really welcome at this time. Keep up the great work please mate, it’s really fantastic.....! (ps : Our exchange of messages last week refers, I think (🤞) I’ve ‘sorted out’ the low ball flight/launch angle I was asking you about....!) 👍😉
I've started taking some ideas from the stack and tilt swing and I'm definitely noticing the difference with impact while I'm hitting into a net during isolation, do you have a slight bit of early extension at impact? Trail heel up early and do you get high hands resulting in toe down on lie angle? Last time I had use of a machine that's what I was seeing with my swing but hoping to change those 👍🏻
That’s great that it’s helping, yes I do suffer from my heel lifting and slight ee. I’m never totally happy with my swing but it’s getting more consistent
Is there a reason for your left knee being almost totally extended already at p2? Asking since I've been trying to work my similar trait into a more progressive extension.
@@NickTaylorGolf Alright, yeah, I noticed that. Nice swing development anyways :) Looking forward to some videos about the power accumulators and exercises related to them in the future! Cheers
Hi Dave thats a difficult question to answer but I have had huge success with my students in only a few months that have 30 min lesson a week and 1-2 hour practice
I am a 42 hcp Golfer. I start a year ago. All the time i was unhappy with my swing, because it felt so complicated and every swings felt different. So i was very inconsistent. Then i found the S & T swing and at first sight i can see, this makes more sense. To change to S & T took me only a few days. Because its so easy and more natural, in my opinion. Because of the Corona Lockdown, i can not go to the range to test my new swing. But in my garden (without hitting balls) the swing feels so good and consistent. I really can't wait to hit balls, to see if the ballstriking is really consistent.
Can you remove a variable at setup a la Bryson DeChambeau / Moe Norman and have your arms extended on your impact plane rather than hanging below your shoulders.
My ball striking is better without playing or practicing as much, unfortunately i don't play as much as I would like so scoring is similar with less play/practice time. I can go a month without playing now and still strike then ball well which I couldn't do before
I like S&T, and involve many of the principles in my own swing. But I wouldn’t agree that it provides more club head speed than alternative models and patterns. Justin Thomas, DJ, not to say Jack are all high hands. Most of the longest hitters both now and in the past are higher than deeper at the top. Which isn’t to say you can get longer with S&T over your current pattern - you can. Obviously strike has at least as much to do with distance and THAT’s the main value of S&T. My opinion.
Hi mate, the key to S&T is to build a swing which has consistent contact/low point, enough power to play the course and control of the curve of the ball. If the function was just to create power the swing may look different. The 2 current longest hitters on the PGA tour are Bryson and Rory, just because DJ and JT have a high left arm doesn't mean thats the reason they hit the ball a long way.
@@NickTaylorGolf Thanks for the reply. I don't disagree at all with the first part. But when you look at the all time greats on tour for distance, most have high hands. And if you look at long distance drivers, all have high hands. I don't disagree that you can be deep and long, as many illustrate. I just don't thing that having deep hands and an arm path that comes across the shoulders is THE source of power, as it sort of seemed like what you were saying. Cheers, Nick!
Most of the best golfers that have high hands manage to re route the club on the downswing and don't swipe across it which I see a lot of the higher handicappers do. Swinging a club on an angle would create more speed/momentum than swinging the club in a straight line up and down the target line .
Wow It must have been very hard thing to do ,you didn't just change a little piece you overhaul your whole swing, how long did it take to fully change to S&T from you're old swing months?
I disagree but that’s what makes Golf great. I would say rotating around a fixed center is body friendly not hanging on your left side the entire swing and then trying to jump.
you clearly have improved your swing by allowing the club to move back on the inside. the idea of moving the shoulder around was a butch harmon idea. and, the idea of holding the back bolt upright was a leadbetter idea. but, the idea of allowing the spine to curve at the top is wrong, also. the key to good posture is to push back with the base of the neck, from the moment you move into the address position. when you do this it actually lowers the body into position and takes all the strain off the back. when you get yourself in position, relax the neck. you will stay in position. when you have been taught to turn the left shoulder round, and realise that this incorrect, and try to change, as is so often the case, with golfers, it is very easy to succumb to the laws of enantiodromia and do entirely the opposite- and try to keep the left arm close to the body; which can cause a player to hold the club off, especially if they try to work their shoulder down. and, really, the left shoulder joint has to be able to rotate in its socket in the takeaway. not that the rotation of the shoulder helps the shoulder joint to rotate, it doesn't. it, also, prevents the left shoulder joint from stretching in its socket- which is key to enabling the left shoulder to move down, passively. and, the grip is key to achieving this.
@@NickTaylorGolf it isn't. but, a player should not focus on allowing the back to curve. if, they do they may find it curves rather more than they want. and if a player focuses on allowing their spine to cure they will drop their down when they get into the address position instead of using the base of the neck to get into position. with some players there spine will be straight, with some it will be more curved. but, when you look closely at hogan you will see that there is no lordosis of his cervical spine. and, if there is no lordosis there is no kyphosis. seve had great posture, also.
It depends on the individual the way the spine is shaped but I would say the golfer should stand in a normal anatomical position which would be slightly curved at the top
@@NickTaylorGolf In my few attempts, S&T has been so much easier on my body and I have a NEW baby draw! I have NEVER been able to draw. This is easier on me, I'm shooting farther and more straight, have a draw, and I feel like I am swinging at 50% power. Consistency is much better, but I am still fighting old habits - so that is on me.
Hi Nick I think your an ace presenter/teacher.
Ok 3 weeks into S&T here in England until yesterday when tried it for the first time.
What a powerful style first time Ever I’ve hit the ball with zero side spin. Pitching to full shots especially driver when the ball has land it’s going in a forward motion. This might sound silly but for me a new experience and that’s before we even mention distance.
During lockdown I’ve been using Analyzer older version but a great piece of software so I reckon we should have a chat
That’s awesome Paul, keep it up
I did all the same things to my swing last year. From what I've seen from many videos by many top teachers over this last year, is that you could benefit by getting your club face slightly more toe down coming into P6 - the toe is still pointed to 12 o'clock whereas most modern top pga guys seem to be closer to 12:30 - this allows them to get way more hip and shoulder turn at impact as they have squared the club earlier. Nice video.
I would agree the face angle standard is slightly toe down at P6 but also there are some slight differences among the top players
@@NickTaylorGolf Appreciate the reply. So many great resources online for self learning - wish this was available 30 years ago.
World Top 5 players Toe Position at P6 - and yet none of their swings look remotely the same. This between 12 & 12:30 slight toe down position at P6, with club head behind the hands, is something I have found incredibly important for me to achieve, while I play with my swing. If I can at least get to that position, it usually prevents other bad stuff from happening - usually. Thanks again.
1) Rory - slight toe down
2) Rahm - slight toe down
3) Koepka - slight toe down
4) Thomas - slight toe down
5) Johnson - slight toe down
I agree Paul P6 is one of the most important parts to the swing, u see a lot of similarities between the best players 👏🏽
I wish I learned S&T when I was a junior...fantastic golf swing technique. Cheers
Garth Buck Yep me too Garth but it’s never too late to learn
@@NickTaylorGolf Cheers Nick, I have practised every day during Covid-19, I am almost 59 and hit it further than I did was I was 25. S&T helps me hit more consistently and straighter. Thx!
Great stuff mate, some very similar stuff to Tom Saguto. The new swing just looks so solid and repeatable. Can’t wait to hit the range and course when they open back up and start to nail these changes.
Thanks mate, Tom is awesome. We are only just explaining what the best players do, unfortunately there are not many instructors that can do that
Thanks for taking the time to reply, I see you take the time with almost every comment, brilliant. Would love to send you my own comparison of swings in a couple of months
Would love to see the changes Andy
Great Video, a Man who knows the golf swing.
Thanks for watching
So interesting and helpful! GolfTec swing parameters confirm S&T approach to golf swing...
They sure do Sharon
At this point I'm desperate, my swing is garbage. I started golfing in 2012 when I was 40 yrs old. After 4 years of playing I was a 10 index, and hit the ball pretty solid. Over the last 4 years I've gone from scoring in the low 80's and occasionally breaking 80, to now I'm having difficulty breaking 90. It's because my ball striking is terrible. I'm ready to commit to the S&T method, because if I don't do something, im gonna quit. Subscribed
Well I would say you have a chance now 😉🏌️
trlprk Dude we have the same story. Same HCP. I did quit for 6 months. Started back with S&T and shot 82 yesterday on a Dye championship course. Give it a shot and you will fall in love with the game again. It really works and its a fast transformation
Have spent the month watching your videos and read the S&T book. I am or was 16 h/c, this will definitely change come next competitions. First outing Played 9 holes two balls in play. The ball flight has completely changed. Great feeling.😀
There is now a draw or slight draw. Bad shots have turned more into good bad ones. The cone theory is massive for me. More confident in finding the fairway. A great course management tool.
Will never go back to trying to get behind the ball and time the down swing shifting left. Too much was going wrong with that.
1 ball was 3 over for 9, the other 5.
That's awesome Jon, and I'm also jealous that you got to head out on the golf course. Keep me updated with your progress 🏌️
Nick Taylor Golf only allowed to play solo and only 9 holes. Hit some shots today that left me with a fuzzy feeling. Will let you know how it develops.
Makes sense that's great you can play, perfect opportunity to work on your game
Great video again Nick.
After starting to follow your friday golf tips a long time my golf has got a lot better.
Reached 9,5 i hcp last year and has my sight for reaching 8 in hcp and play consistent at that level this year.
The courses have started to be open here in Norway so the season is under way🏌️🏌️🏌️
Keep up the good work and stay safe👍
Thanks Rune i'm pleased to hear your making progress, keep it up and thanks for watching
Great stuff.. clearest explanation to date.. John
Thanks John
Hi Nick great video describing changes you made to stack and tilt, do you think a 59 year old man 10 handicap playing fo 30 years could change also. Dabbled with stack and tilt before but never stuck to it. During these times been hitting balls into a net using stack and tilt with some good results (only distance club head speed and smash available to me)so don't really know where they are going backswing positions feel easy enough not sure if I'm supple enough on downswing movements Steve Benham
Yes never too late to change Steve, keep at it
I agree with Nick its never to late mate I'm a little younger than your self 49 and have been using this system the last few year's and I've become much more consistent and I'd say I've a long way to go to still to go but great results so far.find a S&T instructor and watch Nick's back catalogue of videos you can't go wrong.
@@NickTaylorGolf hi Nick where would be the closest S and T instructor to me I live in Swansea South Wales
I don’t know any in wales unfortunately but may be worth a visit Billy Irvine in Surrey or Phillipe Bonfanti on Isle of purbeck
@@NickTaylorGolf thanks Nick👍
You new swing is so similar to the Jim venetos swing I start practicing this swing and is helping me a lot
There are some similarities for sure, im glad its helping
Thanks have fun and be safe
Heck yea man, PREACH IT brother!!
I try
You do a good job of getting back in front bend on the downswing. I’m working on this... any tips or feels for doing this correctly?
I've practiced hitting a lot of shots with a very short finish, almost stopping at impact which I think helps
Brilliant video again Nick, the work you’re doing from ‘lockdown’ is just as great as your other stuff and really welcome at this time. Keep up the great work please mate, it’s really fantastic.....! (ps : Our exchange of messages last week refers, I think (🤞) I’ve ‘sorted out’ the low ball flight/launch angle I was asking you about....!) 👍😉
Thanks Steve and even better that you've improved your launch, keep it up mate
Loved your discussion! 5 stars!
Thanks for this one
Thanks thanks for watching Shawn
I've started taking some ideas from the stack and tilt swing and I'm definitely noticing the difference with impact while I'm hitting into a net during isolation, do you have a slight bit of early extension at impact? Trail heel up early and do you get high hands resulting in toe down on lie angle? Last time I had use of a machine that's what I was seeing with my swing but hoping to change those 👍🏻
That’s great that it’s helping, yes I do suffer from my heel lifting and slight ee. I’m never totally happy with my swing but it’s getting more consistent
Nick Taylor Golf I’m the same, full speed my swing looks ace slow it down and I can pick it apart. 👍🏻
Is the stance open or closed to the target? I use an open stance and difficult to move club on the inside
I would suggest dropping the right foot back if you struggle with the hand path moving inside
Is there a reason for your left knee being almost totally extended already at p2? Asking since I've been trying to work my similar trait into a more progressive extension.
It's a little excessive but helps me turn and tilt, I would also note that by the time I reach p4 its starting to flex again
@@NickTaylorGolf Alright, yeah, I noticed that. Nice swing development anyways :) Looking forward to some videos about the power accumulators and exercises related to them in the future! Cheers
Thanks Markus
How does the Stack and Tilt method compare to the Golftec method, particularly the Swingtru study?
Basically the same, that’s why I coach at GOLFTEC- both systems based on what the best players do
I nick if it took you 6 7years to change how long do you think it will take a weekender golfer to change davebateman thanks
Hi Dave thats a difficult question to answer but I have had huge success with my students in only a few months that have 30 min lesson a week and 1-2 hour practice
I am a 42 hcp Golfer. I start a year ago. All the time i was unhappy with my swing, because it felt so complicated and every swings felt different. So i was very inconsistent. Then i found the S & T swing and at first sight i can see, this makes more sense. To change to S & T took me only a few days. Because its so easy and more natural, in my opinion. Because of the Corona Lockdown, i can not go to the range to test my new swing. But in my garden (without hitting balls) the swing feels so good and consistent. I really can't wait to hit balls, to see if the ballstriking is really consistent.
That's awesome Erich, S&T is the best system for every golfer especially beginners
...?...on the downswing...you mention the forward knee straightens...when does this happen during the transition...
It starts straightening a fraction before I start my downswing and by the time I'm at P5 my knees are back to the same flex as setup
Can you remove a variable at setup a la Bryson DeChambeau / Moe Norman and have your arms extended on your impact plane rather than hanging below your shoulders.
Yes thats your choice, I find setting up like that uncomfortable
Great videos
Great video
Thanks for watching
So what has Stack and Tilt done for your scoring? How much has your score improved?
My ball striking is better without playing or practicing as much, unfortunately i don't play as much as I would like so scoring is similar with less play/practice time. I can go a month without playing now and still strike then ball well which I couldn't do before
Best non tour player I’ve ever had the privilege to see play golf, never seen anyone hit so many GIR’s 😌
Thanks pal
Nick: Do you consider Stack and Tilt to be trail arm dominant?
Personally I would say both arms play a key role in my swing
I like S&T, and involve many of the principles in my own swing. But I wouldn’t agree that it provides more club head speed than alternative models and patterns. Justin Thomas, DJ, not to say Jack are all high hands. Most of the longest hitters both now and in the past are higher than deeper at the top.
Which isn’t to say you can get longer with S&T over your current pattern - you can. Obviously strike has at least as much to do with distance and THAT’s the main value of S&T. My opinion.
Hi mate, the key to S&T is to build a swing which has consistent contact/low point, enough power to play the course and control of the curve of the ball. If the function was just to create power the swing may look different.
The 2 current longest hitters on the PGA tour are Bryson and Rory, just because DJ and JT have a high left arm doesn't mean thats the reason they hit the ball a long way.
@@NickTaylorGolf Thanks for the reply. I don't disagree at all with the first part. But when you look at the all time greats on tour for distance, most have high hands. And if you look at long distance drivers, all have high hands. I don't disagree that you can be deep and long, as many illustrate. I just don't thing that having deep hands and an arm path that comes across the shoulders is THE source of power, as it sort of seemed like what you were saying. Cheers, Nick!
Most of the best golfers that have high hands manage to re route the club on the downswing and don't swipe across it which I see a lot of the higher handicappers do. Swinging a club on an angle would create more speed/momentum than swinging the club in a straight line up and down the target line .
Wow It must have been very hard thing to do ,you didn't just change a little piece you overhaul your whole swing, how long did it take to fully change to S&T from you're old swing months?
It doesn't happen overnight for sure but as a S&T player/coach I have a systematic way of changing my technique and the students I work with
Can a 78 year old lean stack and tilt
Sure can, there are a lot of benefits to S&T especially to senior golfers
Nick Taylor Golf thanks Nick -I’ve just come across you and Tom Sagunto will be following both of you
Thats great, Tom is awesome
Nice swing
Thanks Franscois
Awesome.
Thanks Dominic
Cool
Thanks John
Stack and tilt ruined my left knee I have no meniscus left because of it good luck
It’s the most body friendly way to swing so you were either doing it wrong or it was from your previous swing or from something else
I disagree but that’s what makes Golf great. I would say rotating around a fixed center is body friendly not hanging on your left side the entire swing and then trying to jump.
Sound like you were overdoing the moves mate
I did overdo it!
you clearly have improved your swing by allowing the club to move back on the inside. the idea of moving the shoulder around was a butch harmon idea. and, the idea of holding the back bolt upright was a leadbetter idea. but, the idea of allowing the spine to curve at the top is wrong, also. the key to good posture is to push back with the base of the neck, from the moment you move into the address position. when you do this it actually lowers the body into position and takes all the strain off the back. when you get yourself in position, relax the neck. you will stay in position. when you have been taught to turn the left shoulder round, and realise that this incorrect, and try to change, as is so often the case, with golfers, it is very easy to succumb to the laws of enantiodromia and do entirely the opposite- and try to keep the left arm close to the body; which can cause a player to hold the club off, especially if they try to work their shoulder down. and, really, the left shoulder joint has to be able to rotate in its socket in the takeaway. not that the rotation of the shoulder helps the shoulder joint to rotate, it doesn't. it, also, prevents the left shoulder joint from stretching in its socket- which is key to enabling the left shoulder to move down, passively. and, the grip is key to achieving this.
Why is curving the top of the spine wrong, a lot of the best golfers through time have done this including Ben Hogan?
@@NickTaylorGolf it isn't. but, a player should not focus on allowing the back to curve. if, they do they may find it curves rather more than they want. and if a player focuses on allowing their spine to cure they will drop their down when they get into the address position instead of using the base of the neck to get into position. with some players there spine will be straight, with some it will be more curved. but, when you look closely at hogan you will see that there is no lordosis of his cervical spine. and, if there is no lordosis there is no kyphosis. seve had great posture, also.
It depends on the individual the way the spine is shaped but I would say the golfer should stand in a normal anatomical position which would be slightly curved at the top
@@NickTaylorGolf i didn't say they shouldn't
In the first comment you said "allowing the spine to curve at the top is wrong"
Reading the comments... all of you are lost.
Not a fan of S&T i take, that's cool it's not for everyone 😉
@@NickTaylorGolf In my few attempts, S&T has been so much easier on my body and I have a NEW baby draw! I have NEVER been able to draw. This is easier on me, I'm shooting farther and more straight, have a draw, and I feel like I am swinging at 50% power.
Consistency is much better, but I am still fighting old habits - so that is on me.
You are lost, Sir.
Thanks for letting me know
It's OK. We all are!