Which "Untouched" Gen 4 Pokémon are Still the Most Useful?
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- The Sinnoh region provided many Pokémon that were already updates to past entries with evolutions or babies, but there were still plenty more that have seen no updates since Diamond and Pearl, and even more that haven't even seen so much as a significant story arc and have really been left behind in terms of any attention, but these Pokémon are still great, so let's shine a light on these underrated beauties and see if we can bolster their profiles on our own!
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Hippowdon does *not* gain a special defense boost in Sandstorm, though. That trait is unique to Rock types, not Ground types.
tbh, not having all of rock's weaknesses is better than getting the spdef boost
Fun fact : Hippos are very fast animals in real life
That's not a "fun" fact! That's not fun at all!
Escavalier is said to fly around at high speed, but only have a speed stat of 20.
Yeah it makes perfect sense eh
@@slow_mk8 Let's also not forget Vikavolt who's said to go at immense speeds and yet it has a lower speed than his pre-evo.
@@Socioromanticism And what's even worse is that because it's so unbelievably dense in muscles, it sinks in water and cannot swim. But by running in the waterbed, it goes fast and deals a lot of damage in rivers. In some cases, it goes faster than it can on foot. It's not distantly related to horses for nothing.
@Socioromanticism Don't come across no hippos, they will legit eat you 😂
I would genuinely love a regional variant of Buizel thats pure flying type. Use its propeller on the tail as a flying mechanism, like a helicopter.
That would be so cool!! And it would make so much sense!
you know, they could actually pull that off rather well; in this regional form, Buizal/Floatzal's floatation sac would be shaped in a way so that when it inflates, it allows them to actually start floating in the air like a balloon, then they use their propeller tails to give themselves thrust, similar to an airship
@@mastergreeen1385 So kinda like Paolumu from Monster Hunter... that would be kinda cool actually
Without watching, one of the first that comes to mind is Gastrodon. That thing has been a staple in competitive since its introduction.
You make a good point...
And it’s in the number one spot.
I have to say Toxicroak, Yanmega, Magmortar, Tangrowth, Drapion, and Rhyperior would count as underrated.
Yanmega 🎉🎉
I love Drapion. Super useful in the right circumstances and team builds. Toxicroak is a favorite too. I’ve never seen much use for Tangrowth, but I’m sure it exists.
@MasterRockySwayzo Tangrowth isn't easy to use in Platinum since you have to keep it as Tangela most of the time. But Tangrowth is very defensively tanky, and utilizes leech seed strats pretty well.
@@NoTengoDinero69It's more useful for competitive pokemon honestly.
Pretty sure Yanmega, Magmortar, Tangrowth and Rhyperior were eliminated because they were evolutions of old pokemon. Toxicroack and Drapion are really good though ^_^
Floatzel is a really good Pokémon, especially when it got wave crash in gen 9 it became a serious competitive threat until Pokémon home was compatible.
Personally i think tangrowth is a underated pokemon. It stats are very good and its amazing at taking hits.
Oh there were plenty of new evolutions that are great and haven't been touched since, but seeing as how they WERE the updates to previous Pokemon such as Tangela I didn't think they should count...
*physical hits
As a TCG player, I've always appreciated how you use the card art in your videos!
It's another great way to show off these Pokemon, so of course!
Great list. Floatzel is so underated, particularly for a regular playthrough. I would personally put Staraptor #1 as it is available and useful in so many games
Even thought its not on here, im so happy to hear there are other Bastiodon fans out there i love that castle faced dino so much
Yeah...The only thing working against it is everything besides the design. The typing isn't good for its defensive profile, it doesn't've enough HP to do effective tanking and it doesn't even gain recovery moves to have fun with. If it had at least any one of those, it could've been pretty fun to use.
While not untouched, I think the fact that Garchomp got a new form which was deemed *worse* than its base form warrents a mention.
5:27 I thought that SpDef boost only applied to rock types, not ground types too.
It only does on Rock types. He misspoke.
EC makes mistakes quite often; I don't think they have a script proofreader.
I’m glad to see my boy Floatzel getting some attention here. It’s such an underrated Pokémon and I use it in every game it’s in whenever I don’t pick the water type starter.
Croagunk is a personal favorite from gen 4, wish he'd get more love
Agreed. But it seems he has been replaced by Sneasler, who did literally everything Toxicroak could do but better.
I used Croagunk in BDSP; not even Toxicroak, just Croagunk!
I kinda want a paradox version of croagunk or toxicroak. Both of them have always been really cool. Fun to use too!
I snagged a pretty rad Pachirisu in PLA that took me pretty far. Named the girl Thunder Rosa. Kricketune is also underrated and adorable.
It actually took me a while to find Pachirisu in Legends, but when I did there was almost immediately an Alpha.
Kricketune is so cool, I just wish they buffed his stats a little
As a buizel fangirl, I appreciate the first one! Thanks for highlighting the Otters!
"the opponent will never know which weakness you have until they commit!"
it's gonna be levitate. 95% of the time. the immunity is better, even if it is predictable
Love me some Bronzong appreciation
Like I said I only used Bronzong in Platinum myself not long ago and it was great!
Only in Gen 4 though since it's hard to find in Gen 5 and Gen 6 nerfed its defenses hard because it now takes super effective damage from Dark and Ghost types.
@@GoinGreninja yeah thats fair! i havent used them in any other playthroughs than in gen 4 admittedly 😅
I remember as a kid coming across a hiker with a brozong and bronzors and being so frustrated cause I couldn't find a weakness haha
I think thist was a very good list with great choices. I definitely learned to appreciate bronzong in recent games. They're really a good member to have and their ability makes them a force to be reckoned with.
My team in sinnoh almost always included floatzel, luxray, roserade, infernape, staraptor, and hippowdon or kadabra. 😅 i felt the variety in early game was limited and its something i really like about new gens like sw&sh and S&V is the big amount of variety to choose from early game. You can have a different team each time. Of course it could have just been me who felt that way. Anyways, great video 🎉
I've always loved Floatzel. Never had interest in Bronzong but I got one in a nuzlocke of platinum a few years ago and man it was integral to my team. It can take hits for sure. I loved my Rampardos too but thought it was strange it could learn surf
I also thought that female Hippowdon was the shiny variant, until I found out it was too common to be shiny.
Emperor cubone forgot about the rampardos theorum 😂
Great vid btw
In the Hippowdon entry: You said that Sandstorm gave Hippowdon a Spdef buff..that's not true. Sandstorm only give a Spdef buff to Rock type
Came to say the same thing
Such cruel joke
Yeah, people forget that fact sometimes...
Hippowdon is pure ground and doesn’t get the Sp. Def bonus from sand.
I used hippowdon in a gen 6 playthrough and it rocked. it tanked physical hits easily and packed some damage of its own
rampardos might have high attack, but it doesn't matter because he's never going to get a single attack off. lol
Gastrodon has single-handedly won raids for me the last two generations with Storm Drain. It's not quite as great at it in gen 9, but its support set focusing on debuffs can buy enough time for others to do a buff/sweep combo.
An evolution line from gen 4 I really love to use is the Burmy line. Mothim and Wormadam Trash are really fun to use. Plus they have cute designs. Idk I just love Pokémon with long, pointy noses lmao
I used Staraptor in Scarlet. I caught it for the first gym and it stayed on my team until the very end. I also used one in Legends Arceus for a bit.
It's a solid team member, whenever you find it!
Lucian's Bronzong walled me pretty hard, too.
Shadow Staraptor is also a great Raid attacker in GO
Staraptor is my absolute favorite Pokemon; I use one on my first team of any new game that it's available in ever since Diamond, where it basically soloed my first run of Sinnoh.
As for those not included on the list, I'd say Yanmega, Tangrowth, Drapion, Torterra, Infernape, Electivire, and maybe even Mamoswine are all incredible "untouched" mons
When I first played through Pokémon Sun, I had only played gens 1 & 2 and I played but never beat Alpha Sapphire. Hapu’s Gastrodon was such a mystery to me as to what it was weak to. It then proceeded to almost wipe out my whole team. Just had my Primarina left and won on perseverance alone.
I always wondered about people who take time off, seeing "new" Pokemon from gens past all at once like that...
@@emperorcubone It was definitely confusing at first. I had to get used to the 500ish new Pokémon and a new type. But it’s certainly grown on me, considering how much I play the series now.
The Pseudo-Bug type Drapion (there's a reason I put Pseudo there) is absofrickinlutely my Sinnoh Ace!
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I used flotzal and brongzong recently in playthroughs and I love them
Yeah, they're pretty great! I didn't mind seeing them again so soon in Legends Arceus!
Tcg related, but Lost Origins gastrodon was a staple in one of my decks. When my friend opposite saw a Shellos on the bench collecting energy he knew it wasn't long until Gastrodon started spamming Earthquakes for 170 damage
Good stats and good movepool? Man I'd be so tempted to use a floatzel if I didn't hate looking at it.
I was so happy to see gastrodon! I used one in my ultra moon play through and it was great, at lv 65 it was able to 3 hit KO Archie Kyogre! :)
5:25
But sir, sand only gives rock type a special defense buff to my knowledge. I apologize, I should not endeavor pose as an expert, I only wish to serve you well.
Starly is the best! Such a little cutie pie! It's a shame how they're so scared of people! Unlike their fully evolved form Staraptor! You better watch your back when this bird of the skies swoops in for the kill! The most haunting part about Staraptor is it's cry! What a fearsome opponent! You don't know fear until Staraptor decides to close combat and kick you in the face with it's talons! Especially near the cliff side! Big yikes!!! That's why I like Starly more. They may be shy, but they can be great cuddle buddies when they want to be! So precious! 💕🐦
Gotta give a shout out to Armaldo. While he is present, he gets slept on a lot. In my current Nuzlocke, I managed to get and Adamant nature and named him Armorgeddon lol.
I mean, that's a Hoenn Pokemon, but still good! You're right!
I always assumed everyone used Buizel/Floatzel since it’s so cool
My first time really getting into the games was Gen 4 as a little kid-my all grass move Torterra and Machoke that only knew special moves got bodied by Lucien and his bronzong hahahahahah
Who needs Ground type moves on the first Grass/Ground Pokemon anyway?
I love Pachirisu so much, I can’t help but to use it each time I play through BDSP even though I try to use mons I haven’t used in every run of any Pokémon game I play
I didn't use one until that same run of Platinum I tried Bronzong, but the Electric squirrel was pretty decent!
@@emperorcubone it definitely has its uses! I just found it fun to play with also. BDSP was the first time I got to use one since I didn’t play the originals. This was my first experience with Diamond and Pearl in any way but the team I used was a ton of fun. At least it was to me
Floatzel was a menace in early gen 9 competitive.
We should be thankful that Hippowdon isn't fast! Hippos in real life can outrun a human
The Platinum anecdote was weird to follow with three moves not introduced until Gen V 4:27
Hey, Emperor Cubone. Cool vid! I really appreciate this series and hope that some of the Pokémon featured will get some new forms in upcoming gens.
One small correction, though. When you said Hippowdon gains a special defense boost in sand, that only applies to rock types. So tyranitar gets it, but not Hippowdon. Still a great vid overall!
I'm not sure if you would include it because it is a later gen branched evolution, but I think Froslass deserves to be on the list!
Froslass is great for sure! But like you said it IS the update to the Snorunt line so I figured we'd give other Pokemon a shot at attention.
@emperorcubone that is what I figured, just throwing my 2 cents in. Btw, been watching you for years, and this is the first response I have ever gotten from the actual content creator! Keep up the great videos! Much love!
It's funny that I've used 2/3rds of this list, all in their homeland of Sinnoh/Hisui over 3 playthroughs.
We just don't talk about my floatzel.
Love the new intro music 🦘
Well it's the "Sinnoh" theme music that pops up in Sinnoh videos...
@@emperorcubone 😔love it
Trash Cloak Wormadam needs more respect. You see lots of respect for Scizor, a lot for Forretress, a decent amount for Escavalier, but Wormadam gets no love. The bug/steel typing is always good, and recent gens gave it access to Quiver Dance, which the other ones of the same type combo lack. It's far from the best option, but one that deserves a look.
5:26 Only Rock types get the Special Defense boost. Sad
I wish they made Rampardos faster and gave it the fighting type.
This would result in a better move pool and more
Iirc sandstorm doesn't boost ground type special defense only rock types... it's odd but good to know
STARAPTOR is my favorite Pokémon
Skuntank. Knows. Explosion.
And Flamethrower, don't forget...
I mean, I also know what an explosion is, so it ain’t that dramatic.
Hippowdon doesn’t benefit from the 50% spdef boost from sandstorm though since it’s not rock type. It’s still not a bad choice
But hey, Terastallization exist.
@@slow_mk8 Yeah but why would you ever Tera as a Rock type when Ground, Water and Fighting type moves are gonna completely destroy you? And two of the examples mentioned attack physically, meaning the special boost doesn't even matter to them.
I thought gastrodon was the best pokemon on this list great job
I’m a simple man. I see Gastrodon praise, I press like
I know Garchomp was given a mega but as almost nobody used Mega Garchomp should it get an honorable mention. The reason Mega Garchomp wasn't used is because it's slower than regular Garchomp
Yep. I still feel bad for it. It could've been great if one of the defensive stats were sacrificed for the speed stat to stay constant.
True, the speed hurt, but a bad update is still an update!
Staraptor is easily my favorite flying type.
Steel/Psychic was the Steel/Fairy of Pre-Gen 6
It really was. Imagine Necrozma-Dusk and how much of an annoyance it could've been if it was released before Gen 6...
Gen 4 has probably the widest arrange of solid pokémon along Gen 3. Few of them are broken but few are awful. Most of them will give you solid results at the very least.
That's a really great way to put it! Lots of solid potential there...
I have a question for you Emperor Cubone:
What’s your favourite pokémon battle held items???
Hmm, probably just the"boring" reliable ones, like Leftovers, or Shell Bell, or Rocky Helmet. Although I do tend to use the type boosting ones like Magnet, Miracle Seed, etc. (and I guess the Everstone/Eviolite when I decide not to evolve certain team members...)
Bronzong is extremely useful in bdsp against Cynthia's Garchomp
So true; it's like Lucian was trying to give us a hint!
Floatzel always has a soft spot in my heart. Diamond was my first game, and I loved using Floatzel so much that it ended up replacing my starter! (Sorry Empoleon)
Oh I used a Floatzel even with other Water types on my team! It's great!
Hippo doesnt get a special defense buff since it isn't rock type tho
I remember as a kid I didn't know floatzel existed since ash never evolved his buizel and I didn't play the games until B&W so I was shocked the first time I saw it
Didn't you see the episode with the gym battle against Crasher Wake?
must've missed that episode
Floatzal is always my first choice for a water type in Sinnoh 😁
Buizel is so fun so early on!
Gastrodon is really good in Paldea and Galar.
And pretty much everywhere else!
I don't think it can be overstated how useful gastrodon can be in VGC. Completely invalidating kyogre (more a gen 8 thing bc water spout was made single target by dmax) or urshifu rapid strike by switching it in when a water move is being used is so useful.
Also, is interesting to note how much better floatzel got in gen 9 simply because it learned wave crash, made it quite a threatening swift swim user, at least in early formats
Would love to see a water type hippowdon with drizzle ability.
Ooh! And a Fire type one with Sun, and Ice type for Hail?
@@emperorcubone then it will be the giga Chad weather pokemon castform wishes it was haha
"Can Crasher Wake pick 'em, or what?"
I realise the anime is somewhat unrealistic, but to the end of Gen 6 I'm pretty sure Wake was the ONLY gym leader to have been swept by Ash.
Dude’s never heard of the Rampardos Theorem
Exactly. He may be talking in terms of singleplayer playthroughs but so many Pokémon can win there even with unoptimized stats, even the lowest of the low can also like Magikarp with enough finagling. It's not really much of an achievement.
Which untouched gen 8 Pokemon is still useful? Waiting for that video.
Hippos can run at 35 mph on land, My Liege.
Btw pronunciation for that dinosaur is Pack-ee-sef-a-low-sor-us
“Not these ones…*wormadam, kricketune, and cherrim shown on screen*
Me, who used 2 of the 3 in SP play through and the other in BD and liked them a lot 😂
(To be fair I didn’t want to do the typical sinnoh team in the remakes)
Ah, yes, Pachirisu, or as I like to call him, Peakachu
Just give Rampardos Accelrock
And a usable speed in general.
Hippowdon doesn't get a Sp.Def boost in sand, only rock types do
Mold breaker has no effect on move power, no idea why you said it does
I gotta say, Hippowdon is just straight up way better than Rampardos. Idk what exactly you take into consideration, but usefulness-wise, Rampardos probably shouldn’t even make the list. 58 speed is atrocious for a glass cannon
Great video as per usual though
Not gonna lie, i kinda want a Rampardos Evolution (Or Mega Evolution). Just imagine... Rampardos Evo with 205 Base Attack, Ability would become Huge Power, if Rampardos had Sheer Force.
What Rampardos needs most is more speed, seeing as it's only good stat is attack. Both the gen4 fossils are extremely flawed: Bastiodon may have extremely high defensive stats and is part steel typed, but it also has 2 different 4x weaknesses (and to some pretty good types, no less), gets no recovery, and has no other even remotely good stats. Rampardos, meanwhile, is both slow AND simultaneously frail, made worse by it's typing being bad defensively; again, it's not really wanting for more power, as it's head smash attack can deal ludicrous damage to even things that resist it, even if it does take a lot of damage itself from doing so
Luxray needs better stats and/or a better movepool. Never shove my baby boy out of the way, even for a beautiful weasel line
Indeed. A better speed stat or even just learning Zing Zap would help its viability a lot. It's usually in ZU, the lowest tier of competitive play because of its horrible stat placement.
If they just make a good physical electric type move and adjust it's stats leaning towards atk and speed I think it would be good
@@GoinGreninja ikr??? And it's way too cool a concept and design to be such a low tier
@@lightningmcking1234 right?? Literally small adjustments would make him a beast
@@BingBongFairy It really would. I hope they do something about him someday. Because seriously, he has been shafted left, right and center whenever a good chance is given to them.
When i played through diamond a few years ago i almost wiped to lucian and lost like one mon to cynthia 💀
Underrated Elite Four member for sure!
@@emperorcubone i will forever be terrified of that bronzong 😭 psychic was like the one type my team couldnt really handle that well
@@SienAppelsienhey guess what
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Rampardos has a cool design, but it's just bad to use.
Luxray. I mean I love him, I have one on my arceus team and he is the reason I beat Volo's giratina
I used a Luxray in BDSP, so I wasn't going to again in Legends Arceus... but I found a shiny one...
@@emperorcubone ooooh
I’m pretty sure people have gotten Starly quite often.
They've indeed. Maybe he could've pointed out Drapion or Toxicroak.
Rampadon o boy. Sinnoh fossil was so cool but they're were at pure sense glass Cannon.
Not only that, it show that stats isn't everything to be a competitive Pokemon.
I agree that stats aren't everything. But for it, stats are pretty important, just not in the way you think...Since it wasn't fast, it couldn't deal the damage it was supposed to. And since it wasn't defensive enough, it couldn't tank the damage to retaliate either. And let's not forget that it never got Rock Head, which could've given him some sort of niche somewhere in there.
And yes, I definitely am a fan of False Swipe Gaming. He's amazing at giving competitive information in general, which I can never get enough of.
I don't know if it counts as underrated, but it feels like togekiss gets pooked over sometimes.
Looked over? It's infamous for the Para-Flinch strategy, both in singleplayer and multiplayer. It also has great stats, levels up fast and has a great movepool. There's nothing about this dove to be looked over.
Who cares about Floatzel's Aqua Tail or Sharpedo's lack of strong level up Water moves in Gen 4 when you can just teach both of them the superior Waterfall HM?
Toxicroak deserve love.
Nobody talking about Finneon. My Lumineon was a monster on PLA, it's a shame I had to evolve the little cutie fish due to the rubbish battling mechanics that wipes out strong Pokémon with no effort.
Now do gen 5 please
You might like Tuesday's video...
only rock types get a sp def boost from sand
Manaphy with any neutral Nature.
I honestly don't know how the sinnoh starters haven't gotten anything they are some of the Best
It truly is shocking when you think about how they had three games in three months like a year and a half ago, and still got nothing...
Sinnoh remake was garbage. At least gigamax it
@@Watch-0w1 yea one hundred percent
I never pressed the Bell, why is this being pushed on me with notifications?
Between all the new Pokémon introduced and the fact that they only got a single Mega Evolution, maybe you should skip Gen 5.