Which “Untouched” Gen 1 Pokémon are Still the Most Useful?
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- If a Pokémon is around is long enough it's likely to get some kind of update, whether that be a full-blown evolution, or just a regional form, or a temporary power-up in battle. And often these steps are praised by fans, however there are Pokémon that date back all the way to the beginning that have had none of this special treatment, yet they can still hold their own against the newly empowered options, so let's which Kanto Pokémon still work all these years later! (And yes, I'm counting Toedscool as an update even though they're technically classified differently...)
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I genuinely forget goldeen and seaking exist sometimes
You and me both!
Because just a fish doesn't especially stand out
I only remember them cuz misty had a Goldeen😅
Me and my friend brainstormed an evolution for Seaking once. It would have a bigger horn, 1 extra point put into Attack, and nothing else.
@@bluebaron6811 bruh that reminds me of when I brainstormed a Dunsparce evo (note: I had not been online at this point so I had never seen any of the fan concepts of a God Snake). It was a Dunsparce with much bigger wings, and nothing else new.
Cloyster seems like a major omission. They've been powering it up the "boring" way, by giving it a strong ability in Skill Link and good moves like Shell Smash, Icicle Spear, and Rock Blast.
If it wasn't for Toedscruel, I would say Tentacruel. It's been easily available in almost every region, it's quite strong, even on Smogon it never dropped below UU _until Sword/Shield._ That's pretty good for a Gen 1 Pokemon.
People sleep on tentacruel because of the memes but if you actually use it it's the man. Always useful when i decide to use it
I was gonna comment on Arcanine being deserving of the top spot here... but then I remembered they FINALLY gave it something new in Legends Arceus
Dodrio being able to learn Fly is still a mystery.
At least it keeps it consistent in that all flightless birds are not Flying types.
_Geppo_
Helicopter necks
Pokemon Stadium shows them running on air
Smol wings are still wings 🦤🐧
This video made me realize how much we need a future paradox Psyduck (or Golduck) that has mastered control of its headaches to become a psychic robot.
That'd be pretty cool!
You say that and all I can think is Akira Duck
Zen Bill lol
paradox psyduck lol
It can be named something like “Iron Quack”
I remember finding a fanart of Salamence, Metagross, Tyranitar, and Garchomp all mocking Dragonite for not getting a Mega Evolution. But I find it funny that three out of the four would fluctuate in competitive usage, while Dragonite still has competitive viability even in Gen 9. I guess Gen 1’s Pseudo legendary gets the last laugh. Great video, Emperor Cubone!
It's mainly because of its ability Multiscale and its good movepool.
@@GoinGreninja Thanks to Tera as well, Dragonite can get STAB on its plethora of coverage options. It was popular at first for combo of STAB ExtremeSpeed + Dragon Dance, though you can also use Tera defensively cause of Dragonite's good bulk and Multiscale.
It and Volcarona seem to be the earlier gen Pokemon that benefit the most from Tera IMO. (I'd say Volcarona's ironically gotten BETTER over the gens overall even with the nerf of Drought but that's getting ahead of myself)
@@CoffeeFlavoredMilk Yeah, some do get advantages out of it indeed. Wonder what it'll do next gen...
It’s probably worth mentioning that some of these Pokémon DID have their base stats increased in later generations, and that’s part of the reason why they’ve stayed good. In gen 6, both Nidoqueen’s attack was raised from 82 to 92, and Nidoking’s attack from 92 to 102. Also in gen 7, Dodrio’s speed was increased from 100 to 110
Except that Nidoking doesn't even use his attack.
@@olympusgolemoflight7198
Technically, Nidoking does sometimes run Superpower for coverage
Oh yeah. Nidoqueen because she definitely runs physical attacks... Right. I guess Nidoking can run super power for Blissey/Chansey. But yeah. Big miss here.
@@FraserSourisIt runs superpower for a SINGLE pokemon. Blissey. That's literally one pokemon.
@@c_f0rce To be fair, it is a worthwhile Poke to be able to take down. Not many Special Attackers can say they have the means to take on Blissy.
Cloyster is one of my go to pokemon. That Shell Smash, Skill link, and ice shard is too strong. It sweeps
its actually baffling how nobody talks about how insane cloyster can get
Early Gen 8 OU...
I’ve been victim to many shellsmash max hits icicle spear from cloister 😅 skill link ability is scary
You actually do get a Moon Stone early on in Gen 1, so yes, it's quite easy to get a Nidoking/queen by the 2nd gym, which was especially useful in Yellow Version where they learn Double Kick at L12.
There is actually 2 moon stones in my moon in gen 1 so you could have Nidoqueen and Nidoking before misty
I know you're not a competitive guy but Dragonite getting extreme speed and multiscale has it playing a huge part in vgc right now.
terastalize is what’s making stab banded extreme speed strong
Starmie is still possibly my favorite water type Pokémon to this day. Ever since I saw misty use it in the anime. I always loved how it doesn’t have a face and the noises it makes 😍
*HYYYYYYYA*
Same. It's just so good stat wise and the moveset is so diverse.
Starmie has always been one of my favorites too! Ever since using it in Kanto all those years ago. Surf, Psychic, ThunderBolt, & Ice Beam (or Blizzard in Gen 1.) It’s definitely one of the most underrated ‘mons, & one of, if not the best Pokémon to use in a Gen 1 playthrough.
Recovery thunderbolt blizzard and rapid spin starmie so good
Me as a kid: starfish. I think this will make a squishy, sort of wiggly noise
The anime: karate man
I would like to see a series where you go over 6 Pokémon every region that need special treatment
There's probably a lot more than that, so it could be done...
Or maybe a series of some ideas that could probably be done for some of the untouched mons like a split evo for Dragonair, or a Pychic type regional Arbok, etc
Nidoqueen had a slight design change in gen 4 with her fangs being removed, and a ten point stat buff. But they really need to fix the breeding issue!
Apparently that’s intentional if you watch the lost Pokédex videos on did you know gaming then it was planned like that for whatever dumb reason
@@nazeersadek6705 Well, at least it saved her from the weird breeding pokemon are notorious for.
@@HylianWindRider im 98% sure it’s because rhinoceroses dont breed well in captivity. And theyre sort-of based on rhinoceroses
@Frozen Raichu I can see the resemblance in Nidoqueen's ears, they look like a rhinoceros' ears.
@@batsnghostz is it a rhino? Can never really tell with gen one designs tbh. Like what is slowpoke meant to be exactly.
Dragonite really does deserve some kind of special treatment. I honestly don't get how it still didn't get it by now when it's still a popular Pokémon to this day. A regional evolution or a regional form, a gimmick form like the upcoming Tera Masks or even just a signature move would do so much for it. And to add, Staryu still can be made into a regional form or convergent evolution if need be in a future generation, the potential is clearly there.
Yeah, a regional Starmie seems easy enough and honestly deserved...
@@emperorcubone I thinking future paradox form of starmie satellite.. I saw once fan art
I truly believe we are going to see something called 'teraforms' where pokemon get a special look and they are able to change up to two types, I believe we could see a water/dragon dragonite that resembles dragonair in the DLC :)
@@marlonknockaert3233 I already know about Tera Masks. I didn't mention them for nothing. Yes, these Tera Masks will likely give a fixed dual type and maybe change Tera Blast to work differently as well.
It doesn't really NEED it though. Dragonite has already been getting tons of buffs throughout the years, to the point where it's arguably one of the strongest psuedo legendaries now.
I feel like they're waiting to give the Dragonite line something special in Gen 10. I mean with it being 30 years of the franchise at that point, I feel like many classic Pokémon will get something new in Gen X. Also inb4 Eevee gets 3 new evolutions to commemorate 3 decades of Pokémon. I find it highly suspicious that we haven't a new Eeveelution in close to 10 years, they're literally money makers for Pokémon.
I like the Doduo line. In fact: Dodrio was the first pokemon I ever got to lv 100 way back on Pokémon Blue
I would love to see an alternate form of Dragonite that looks more like Dragonair. Don't get me wrong I love Dragonite as it is and wouldn't want it to be replaced, but something that can stand alongside it in terms of strength that maintains the elegance of Dragonair would be super cool!
venomoth's been stonks ever since it got Quiver Dance, dodrio actually got a stat buff, and starmie and dragonite have actually kept up pretty well
A regional variant of Starmie is something i'm amazed that doesn't exist...
Also starmie is currently sword and shield NU but don't let that fool you! Its perfectly viable in RU and UU and very good in those tiers as well!
Agreed. It's basically made for the convergent evolution idea.
Starmie is an anomaly. It is actual good in ou but it dose t get used much. In gen 9 it’s absolutely broken
In my first playthrough of firered, my nidoking was more overleveled than my venusaur and basically swept through Surge, koga(with a bit of struggle), sabrina, blaine, giovanni, bruno and blue's teams. To this day it remains as my favourite gen 1 pokemon. And my favourite poison type overall.
Excellent video, and a great synopsis of the kinda neglected gen 1 pokemon!
Ur my inspiration, Bro!
Keep UP with the Flawless Work
Thank you so much! I'll do my best.
I have used a venomoth in S/V, and can agree venomoth and venonat is amazing!! Great Video!
Also the nidos and starmie have definitely saved me at some point!
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Venomoth should get a Bug Psychic version. Golduck should get the Psychic type.
Amazing video. Immediately subbed!
First time watching you. I'm definitely subscribing! Can't wait to check out your other content!
I'd love for all these pokemon to get something new. Even could have nidoqueen and nidoking be super effective against each other? Some reason for it. Your theory too is great for starmie!
So much is left for us go explore in pokemon and there is so much we will never understand. Just like the real world! The mystery of pokemon is apart of the beauty!
10:51 I had both Nidoqueen and Nidoking on my team for Fire Red. They really helped me out through the whole game.
I love all these series! Your imagination is sublime I could never think of the half these! Keep it up! Always happy to be an Imperial in the Cubone Empire!
Thank you! I wasn't sure if this should be a series or not, but there were too many to do all generations in one.
Looking forward to this being a series
I wasn't really planning on it, but it could be fun!
Second this wholeheartedly 😊
This is a unique and cool idea for a series, I’m excited to see more 🤯
With all the gen 2 additions in gen 8 and 9 a gen two video would be interesting
Although there aren't a lot of them
Yeah stuff like Shuckle still exists, but a lot of good ones are probably off the list (Girafarig,Statler, etc)
Skarmory, Mantine and Smeargle sound like good additions to the list, I'd say.
Girafarig would've 100% been on the list 6 months ago...
@@GoinGreninja Feraligatr, Crobat & Forretress are solid picks too.
Even still, it'd be easier to make a worst list for this topic instead with mons like Magcargo, Octillery, Ledian, Ariados, Furret, Sunflora, Jumpluff, Sudowoodo, Unown (it has gotten 2 new letter forms in G3 & had a collectible role in PLA. So technically, it's not 'untouched' but would you actually count those? 'Cause I don't).
I love this video idea. Can't wait to watch it
Same! It's such a great series idea! Can't wait to see some of the names that can pop up
3:41 I always loved how cool Golduck looked in that TCG art
Great video idea, super original!
You never run out of fantastic ideas.
Nor fantastic people to watch them!
It would be nice to have a regional Arbok just to complete the original Rocket trio
Love this video idea! Very creative my Emperor Cubone.
Golduck is just insanely reliable. In gen 6/7, cloud nine obliterated primal Groudon, and Damp is invaluable for shiny hunting in any gen. The last thing you want is to find a shiny Graveler/Boldore only to have it explode on you. And Golduck's stats are right in that sweet spot where they're not too high, not too low.
Great list, thanks.
I like this series emperor, you’re a smart and kind man
what a brilliant idea!
makes me think about how cool it would be if pokemon released a "smash ultimate" style game for the milestone gen 10 games. they have to do something special to celebrate hitting double figures right?
if it gives us a fully available national dex it would be the pkmn game I'd play until the end of time^^
Venomoth and Dragonite are two of my favorites, I really hope they get some love :)
This is a really interesting video idea! Glad to see a list completely devoid of Pikachu and Charizard
This is a great video topic.
It’s funny you mention Venomoth’s viability in battle; I just recently learned that competitive RBY (Gen 1) players typically see it as one of if not the best bug in the generation
If this becomes a series I think it should end around Gen 5 because Gen 6 is were all the gimmicks start coming in.
Off the top of my head without seeing the video, Starmie comes to mind.
I know not on the list but having Rhydon line and The Nidos added to Scarlett and violet. The nidoking and queen lines are some of my favorites!
The Rhydon line has special treatment already with Rhyperior and yes, the Nidos count.
I hope this will become a series!!
Dragonite fascinates me - the OG Pseudo-Legendary, yet got zero special treatment. You'd think it would get something, being from the region that GAME FREAK never fails to make it known to us at every given moment, but nope, nothing.
Fans have wanted a Mega or a regional that makes it consistent with its pre-evolutions.
I cannot believe the Nidos did not get a regional form in The CROWN Tundra...
Nidoking is my favorite and for some reason I really wantes a fairy Type Nidoking for the region that is known for a Monarchy....
Ooh, good point. I mean they were at least found there to be added to the Galar Dex, but they would have been perfect! You know instead of Slowking being the only new variant...
That actually is shocking since their names are the same in Japanese (both the "king" and "crown" tundra). Maybe they're saving them for the next gimmick lol
But there no royalty in his design. Seabking and kingdra got more royalty vibe
I love using starmie in leaf green. Surf, psychic, ice beam, and thunderbolt make up an almost perfect moveset for taking on the elite four with just one Pokémon and it has the speed and special attack to make good use of those four moves
Dodrio in the first three gens with physical tri-attack is so good
I dont think it ever hit me that the Nidos had unique typing and almost perfect coverage. I knew they had great coverage but 16/18 types is insane to think about
Good video idea
Starmie in this list is something that makes me happy. Always loved it since a child and it's one of a few Pokémon that can run the same set since Gen 1. It's cool, strong and has a great design.
great vid
This video is going to bang.
Love the Nidoking and Dragonite love. 💙 I would love both to get a regional variant someday- but I have to agree that they're both fantastic!
I'd love to see the Nidos return in the S/V DLC, with how easy it is to put your hands on an Ability Patch and a Life Orb, finally people will be able to see their true Power.
I had a Sheer Force Modest Nidoqueen in Sword, I gave it a Life Orb and it never disappointed me, now I'd love to try the King, cause as you said it's even more offensive than the Queen.
Before I even watched the video, I know Dragonite is going to be here. Extreme Speed, Multiscale, and the Physical-Special split are the only changes it got, and that's okay.
A ground bug besides nincada would be great tbh
A Flygon Regional Form is a perfect candidate for that type combination.
Wormadam is rightfully forgotten here!
One of the funniest things that happened for me when I played Yellow Version for the 1st time, was that both Nidoking and Queen were my MVPs, even against Sabrina (and as you know, those Nidomonarchs have a hard time dealing with Psychic type pokemon like Alakazam, but they managed to hold the line very well that time, I somehow end up using them a lot overall, not always unlike in the past, but still I use them due to how good were for me in those Gen 1 days.
I'm glad the Nidos are at the top, these guys are so amazing I'm not sure why they don't get enough attention...
This was a very good list. Such great and thoughtful choices. You are a blessing to us all and like a foster parent to your community. Thank you emperor
Please, when you get to gen 4, PLEASE include Lumineon! I never realized how good it was until my Shining Pearl playthrough where it was my ace in the hole for my Cynthia battle!
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They just didn't want to have to make an item called "Dragoniteite"
I like Quiver Dance sweeping with Venomoth in SV lol
3:52 SWIFT SWIM AND NASTY POLT AAAAAHHHHHH
@Emperor Cubone #6 Venomoth sounds like it would be a good choice for competitive, double battles. Even if better options exist.
#4 That would be a cool set if you replaced Thrash with Toxic Orb + Facade instead.
#3 Woah, wait, what!? Are you serious!? You found a shiny Staryu in Poké Paligo?
#2 Dragonite is a cool Pokémon in VGC right now! It's strong!
#1 It's great to see one of my most all-time, favorite Pokémon on that place on the list. Nidoking is a really good, offensive Pokémon with Life Orb. But I think it's too slow for my own liking.
Sorry for the late comment. Keep up the good work, and put out those videos. :)
In my head Canon dodrio's fly in the over world is just them running you from town to town lol
They don't need to fly. They just jump REALLY far.
@@kittensolder8818 That's how Superman used to do it until they realized it was easier to have him fly on film.
Funnily enough, the Psyduck line is one of very few to be natively available in literally every mainline game (no surprise that Let’s Go limits this list to Kanto mons). My best guess is probably because Psyduck is Junichi Masuda’s favorite Pokémon
Gen1 pokemon that have been "untouched" that need a "touch up":
Fearow- I was so disappointed when I saw Fearow for the first time. I thought Spearow would have some cool looking evo, but nope. A long face, a skinny neck that seems to be broken, and a big body. Maybe a Past-Paradox form. From Moon: "Drawings of a Pokémon resembling Fearow can be seen in murals from deep in ancient history." In Yellow: "A Pokémon that dates back many years. If it senses danger, it flies high and away, instantly." Yet Spearow has no such mention of the past in any dex.
Dewgong- Such a cute little guy, but give it some new design. Make it more than a cute little seal. Make it the opposite of Walrein. Should've had an Alola variant. In USUM, Seels dex: "It has always been supposed that Seel live only in cold seas. Their having shown up in Alola is a mystery." Dewgong dex makes it seem like it adopted to Alola, "It swims through the ocean at a speed of eight knots, searching for Pokémon that will become its prey. It's especially fond of Wishiwashi." But Wishiwashi isn't intoducted until S/M. In UM its: "It sunbathes on the beach after meals. The rise in its body temperature helps its digestion." Yet every other game it's about staying and loving the cold (even getting "frisky" the colder it is).
There are others, of course, but I think these are the main two that need some love.
Don't forget Seaking!
Nidoking is a staple in speedruns for gen 1 games too. Early mon that has good stats and a varied movepool. It’s common to just use one to sweep through the game
Dragonite and the Nidos haven't changed because they're perfect the way they are. (Except for -queen's breeding issues and shiny coloring, but those aren't problems mega evolution can fix.)
I like to believe the reason Psyduck hasn’t gotten any special treatment is that they struggle to wrap their head around regional varients or crossgen evolution and we all know how bad those headaches are already. They just want to minimise the harm done to the poor guy.
You gotta give my guy tentacruel some props. Unless convergent Pokémon count, but that’s a whole different guy. That’s a mushroom.
Try doing the other generations.
Still love the fanfare intro.
Something tells me that you literally put Hypno in the thumbnail just to get my attention.
Also I really want GameFreak to give something to Hypno, like a stat buff or even an evolution?
Great number 1 pick!!!
The fact that there's only 19 Evolutionary lines in Kanto that haven't received any sort of new feature (evolutions, pre-evos, Megas, Regional Variants, Gmax forms, Z-moves, etc.) is crazy
As for my untouched Gen I favorites, Arbok, Cloyster and Victreebel.
Literally every pokemon on thist list deserves more love and attentio. I would've also added Arbok, Parasect, Victreebel, Fearow, Dewgong and Seaking.
Do a video on most versatile type as in which type can learn the most moves outside their type
Well that would have to be Normal, right?
@@emperorcubone I've a better idea, show off Pokémon with the most versatile moveset that isn't Mew for obvious reasons.
Dragonite is good enough to where it is common enough in VGC right now
I want regional form of Dragonite tho. Give it design that similar to the Dragonair more, it's shiny form look like MK restaurant mascot😂
Just because they're untouched now doesn't mean they'll stay that way; not long ago Primeape could have been on the list!
Baxcalibur already has its own signature ability and signature move.
Tinted lens quiver dance Venomoth is a menace showdown random battles, if you let it set up you have pretty much lost
Please do the other gens as well except for gen 9 of course
starmie is literally my most used mon in ou atm it needs even more love please
Want untouched gen 2 video now plz ❤
Nidoqueen/Nidoking are undeniably the best Pokémon for the adventure in Kanto.
Starmie, Nidoking and Nidoqueen are very powerful in any game. Great pokemon and I am kinda happy they haven't meddled with them - better like this than risk ruining them
The Oddish line is pretty useful, even if they didn't get any special treatment (megas, g-max forms, etc).
Bellossom?
@@emperorcubone That's an addition to Gloom, not Vileplume itself.
At least Charizard didn’t get a z-move
shoutout to Vileplume and Victreebel tho! They are quite decent, and very strong / fast on a playthrough
Calls Venonat a "little guy"
Boy, Venonat is 3 feet tall that thing is gargantuan for a bug. And its eyes are like a third of its body just thinking about it is terrifying.
I literally used none of these as my team in let’s go eevee. I’ve been missing out so much
Kabutops is my all time favorite... pls do something with the fossils next gen gamefreak
That last traditional fossils we've gotten were way back in X and Y (Galar's are quite different) that's way too long! Give us some Rock type dinosaurs!
Nidoking is one of my favorites, it's always shocked me that they haven't done anything